"Significantly more homes in Wildwood"

[VT2TV]

The above is a quote from the online news. Some people are already commenting on another thread that was started about what might happen to the land on 466A across from Pinellas, and beside the Sand Hill golf course, formerly Tradewinds Village. But because the name of the thread is a little misleading, (New golf course and village) and the fact that it is on page 2, and about 6 pages back, I am starting a new topic.
You know, it is very easy to say...if you don't like something, you should leave. That's the first thing anyone says when someone complains about anything. But sometime people have legitimate complaints. I think that this new Village is going to make living in the southern part of the Villages pretty miserable for many people. With the 2000 houses from Fruitland Village, and this new developement of "significant" number of houses on 200 acres, we could be looking at possibly another 1000+ homes if they do CYV's in Wildwood. That could possibly put 5000-6000 more people on 466A, not counting the other houses being built all around Bell Glade area, and the new houses in Charlotte. I have no idea how many that will be. Then add to the mix, all the other houses being built off of 466a by other developers, and I would hope that anyone could see that traffic on 466a and all surrounding areas will be horrible. We live basically at the intersection of Buena Vista and St Charles, and between cars and the fact that the golf cart path for most of the Southern courses all pass along the entrance of St James, traffic even in summer can be extremely busy. Our pools and Rec centers are always busy. So although this new Village might not directly effect some of you, don't say that everything is wonderful, and not all people are happy about it. Saying something like this bothers you does not mean that you want to leave, just wish The Villages would consider the how new buildings will be negative for the residents.

[DougB]

Possibly some felt that way when they developed your village?

[villagerjack]

Pull the ladder up...I am up.

[VT2TV]

Possibly some felt that way when they developed your village?

If they did they, I hope they said something, like I am doing. But thanks for the friendly, helpful comment. You may live in an area where you are not affected, and obviously have no empathy for those that are.

[asianthree]

If they did they, I hope they said something, like I am doing. But thanks for the friendly, helpful comment. You may live in an area where you are not affected, and obviously have no empathy for those that are.

Some are just more laid back, yes there is more traffic where we are but if everyone drove just cars and not golf carts there might be a traffic jam. We back up to a road, yes it's busy durning the day but after 5 it all good. I do not worry about things I can not change. Good for the developer for buying the land, and making sure the new people will have the same advantage as us, as opposed to someone else just building houses with zero perks.

[Cobh521]

I am sure the developer has taken some of your concerns into consideration. We live South of 466a and love it. I can't foresee the area being any busier than the 441/27 corridor.

[Greg Nelson]

Florida is like a runaway train..all aboard!

[Polar Bear]

You're obviously sincere about your concerns. I would never belittle that. But at the same time, TV has expanded many times. I don't think people are discarding your thoughts. They're simply saying that they don't agree with your assessment...which I must say is rather doom-and-gloom.

The developers have been responsible so far. I don't think there's any reason to think that will change. And of course many Villagers are from areas that make any congestion in TV, now and for the foreseeable future, look trivial by comparison. I'm one of those.

Hang in there. I simply don't think it will be as bad as you think. In fact...it's possible that it won't be bad at all.

[billlaur]

theres room for everybody..ENjOY:girlneener:
The more the merrier..:wave:

[justjim]

Has anybody seen the land development plan for this property. Maybe we hold "judgement" until we do. I think the TV Developer will do a better overall site plan than someone from south Florida or elsewhere. For example, maybe another tunnel under 466A to relieve some of the tunnel congestion, another executive course, recreation center, etc. etc.----just speculation. We will see.

[Fanman]

Something is going to be built there whether it's the Morse family or not. A developer owns it now. I believe the parcel adjacent to it is owned by a different developer. They are not about to lose their investments they will do something. I for one am glad to see it stay in The Villages. I come from a town of 45,000 people up north and I feel less crowded here than I did there. I pinch myself everyday to be sure I'm not dreaming living in such a beautiful place. Don't begrudge the developer, their the ones that built us this beautiful place to live out the rest of our lives.

[graciegirl]

Something is going to be built there whether it's the Morse family or not. A developer owns it now. I believe the parcel adjacent to it is owned by a different developer. They are not about to lose their investments they will do something. I for one am glad to see it stay in The Villages. I come from a town of 45,000 people up north and I feel less crowded here than I did there. I pinch myself everyday to be sure I'm not dreaming living in such a beautiful place. Don't begrudge the developer, their the ones that built us this beautiful place to live out the rest of our lives.


Who is this smart man???? Glad to meet you sir.

[skip0358]

OK the developer is going to develop that's what he does. The road(466A) can handle the traffic, 462 is going to be widened to the same size as Powell Rd. There's a Supermarket and a couple of Restaurants there already. God knows there are enough banks, you have a gas station. Everything you need within easy reach. So there will be more people guess what, there will ALWAYS be more people. Everything he tries to do somebody has a problem with lately. There are 100K people in about 35 square mile that's not a big problem. Where you came how many golf courses, pools, movie theaters and restaurants did you have? How big were your roads? What were you paying in taxes and fees? I'm sure your old home town wasn't as sparkly and as well maintained as TV. If it was why did you move? As long as there is a demand he will continue to build. JMO

[billethkid]

HAs the developer taken into account the negative impact of adding more homes?
Of course he has and still does.
Somehow during our residency TV has grown from a population of 35,000 to 105,000. Sounds like a lot of planning to me. And we only see improvement having benefitted from the growth.

Also did not each prospective resident take into account what, where, what if when they were buying? Of course most of us did.

And apparently given the sales keep on filling the homes that are being built, the prospective buyers still approve of TV in it's current configuration.

So it is busier than 10, 5, 4, 3 years ago. All good or desireable things are.
Just relax and enjoy it.

And thank God you moved to a place where the developer considers the impacts of what they do.

How many would buy again if they could turn the clock back? Probably 95%.

[dbussone]

HAs the developer taken into account the negative impact of adding more homes?
Of course he has and still does.
Somehow during our residency TV has grown from a population of 35,000 to 105,000. Sounds like a lot of planning to me. And we only see improvement having benefitted from the growth.

Also did not each prospective resident take into account what, where, what if when they were buying? Of course most of us did.

And apparently given the sales keep on filling the homes that are being built, the prospective buyers still approve of TV in it's current configuration.

So it is busier than 10, 5, 4, 3 years ago. All good or desireable things are.
Just relax and enjoy it.

And thank God you moved to a place where the developer considers the impacts of what they do.

How many would buy again if they could turn the clock back? Probably 95%.

Wise words. And I would do it again

[Indydealmaker]

Those that are complaining about the continued growth of The Villages are overlooking one glaring fact...if The Villages did not develop those areas, another developer will.

Other developments might bring loud and unruly children right up to your back door. OMG

Other developments might bring low-income housing and the subsequent constant turnover right up to your back door. Big OMG

A development by Morse has more green space than almost any other home project. It also tends to bring more varied and upscale commercial than other developments would attract.

Further development brings in increased tax revenue for continued infrastructure support. No new development dictates tax increases due to the obvious fact that maintenance costs do inflate.

In other words, if you think about it, you are complaining just to be complaining. If you got the development freeze by The Villages for which you wish, you might REALLY have something about which to complain.

[fndrbndr]

Possibly some felt that way when they developed your village?
Touche!

[Bogie Shooter]

After reading all the posts after the OP.............the doom and gloom went away!

[Challenger]

bbbThose that are complaining about the continued growth of The Villages are overlooking one glaring fact...if The Villages did not develop those areas, another developer will.

Other developments might bring loud and unruly children right up to your back door. OMG

Other developments might bring low-income housing and the subsequent constant turnover right up to your back door. Big OMG

A development by Morse has more green space than almost any other home project. It also tends to bring more varied and upscale commercial than other developments would attract.

Further development brings in increased tax revenue for continued infrastructure support. No new development dictates tax increases due to the obvious fact that maintenance costs do inflate.

In other words, if you think about it, you are complaining just to be complaining. If you got the development freeze by The Villages for which you wish, you might REALLY have something about which to complain.

Right On- "becareful what you wish for, you may get it"!!!

[Justus]

Something is going to be built there whether it's the Morse family or not. A developer owns it now. I believe the parcel adjacent to it is owned by a different developer. They are not about to lose their investments they will do something. I for one am glad to see it stay in The Villages. I come from a town of 45,000 people up north and I feel less crowded here than I did there. I pinch myself everyday to be sure I'm not dreaming living in such a beautiful place. Don't begrudge the developer, their the ones that built us this beautiful place to live out the rest of our lives.

Quite an astute observation, and well presented.

[Colts Fan]

Question:

Should we be more worried that the developer will reach a point of build out, or that they won't?

Personally, I don't think it matters. The developer has shown a significant commitment to developing and maintaining a prety special community. My neighbors all seem happy here and are pretty great people. My best suggestion is to not overextend yourself in having fun, so that it won't stress you too much with a little traffic or a couple of extra minutes in the grocrty line. I tried to leave that behind when I retired.

[sunnyatlast]

To hear those who say TV is "becoming overcrowded" or already is, an unknowing person would think TV were building all the new homes into existing neighborhoods.

But they are not! They're built on added land.

It's low-density here, with everyone on their own lot with their own single-family home. I agree with the poster who said you don't find an area much more heavily traveled than Hwy. 441/27 corridor. South of 466 and 466a are fine.

Every time The Villages is mentioned in other areas of the state and nation, it is described as "sprawling" and that is an apt description. It's spread-out.

[Barefoot]

You're obviously sincere about your concerns. I would never belittle that. But at the same time, TV has expanded many times. I don't think people are discarding your thoughts. They're simply saying that they don't agree with your assessment...which I must say is rather doom-and-gloom.

The developers have been responsible so far. I don't think there's any reason to think that will change. And of course many Villagers are from areas that make any congestion in TV, now and for the foreseeable future, look trivial by comparison. I'm one of those.

Hang in there. I simply don't think it will be as bad as you think. In fact...it's possible that it won't be bad at all.

Nice post!


How many would buy again if they could turn the clock back? Probably 95%.

We purchased in 2007 - the best decision we ever made. We want others to enjoy the same opportunity.

As Sunny said, the homes will be built on added land. The Developer isn't squeezing the homes into existing Villages or building on our golf courses.

[Radioman41]

I would much rather have The Villages develop the land rather than some unknown developer. The open land will be developed one way or another.

[slipcovers]

I would much rather have The Villages develop the land rather than some unknown developer. The open land will be developed one way or another.

The very large area of farm land across from Pinellas, on 466A, is not part of The Villages. It is owned by other developers, and still no word as to what is going to be built there. I believe that is what the OP is referring to.

[looneycat]

OK the developer is going to develop that's what he does. The road(466A) can handle the traffic, 462 is going to be widened to the same size as Powell Rd. There's a Supermarket and a couple of Restaurants there already. God knows there are enough banks, you have a gas station. Everything you need within easy reach. So there will be more people guess what, there will ALWAYS be more people. Everything he tries to do somebody has a problem with lately. There are 100K people in about 35 square mile that's not a big problem. Where you came how many golf courses, pools, movie theaters and restaurants did you have? How big were your roads? What were you paying in taxes and fees? I'm sure your old home town wasn't as sparkly and as well maintained as TV. If it was why did you move? As long as there is a demand he will continue to build. JMO

Having lived in Coram and Middle Islander I can say TV is an improvement over both and Patchogue! Ribit ribit, that's the sound of a frog! These others constantly looking for negatives can spend their time doing that, I'll spend my time enjoying this beautiful place!

[looneycat]

mxptlzy!

[jimmemac]

All this will be a benefit to the developers for sure-what benefit is it to the rest of us??? I ifor one will miss seeing the cows and the rural like setting!!! At this point I think some would call it greed/??

[Chatbrat]

Since the new house will be in Wildwood & Fruitland Park--will there be a CDD, if not I don't see the requirement to float a bond--without bonds--these house will place nearby houses @ a disadvantage--when it comes to resale

[Indydealmaker]

Since the new house will be in Wildwood & Fruitland Park--will there be a CDD, if not I don't see the requirement to float a bond--without bonds--these house will place nearby houses @ a disadvantage--when it comes to resale

Even without a bond, there will be pricing parity. The infrastructure work must still be paid for. The value of the bond will be added to construction cost as part of the selling price.

[graciegirl]

All this will be a benefit to the developers for sure-what benefit is it to the rest of us??? I ifor one will miss seeing the cows and the rural like setting!!! At this point I think some would call it greed/??

As many have pointed out, it is better the developer than some Joe Blow who doesn't have the developers high standards. It is NOT greedy for the Morse family to think about the thousands of people they have on their payroll, they keep them working. And in so doing fund allied industry. Do you not think that after a certain level of financial success that getting more money is no longer the issue. Perhaps the Morse children are following their fathers's dream for the most beautiful and best maintained city on this earth? They are making history. The Morse children don't have to work, but they are still working, and as a result we have the lowest unemployment in the state here in Sumter county. Keeps folks off the welfare roles.

AND....The Morses give large sums of money to The Republican Party.

[janmcn]

As many have pointed out, it is better the developer than some Joe Blow who doesn't have the developers high standards. It is NOT greedy for the Morse family to think about the thousands of people they have on their payroll, they keep them working. And in so doing fund allied industry. Do you not think that after a certain level of financial success that getting more money is no longer the issue. Perhaps the Morse children are following their fathers's dream for the most beautiful and best maintained city on this earth? They are making history. The Morse children don't have to work, but they are still working, and as a result we have the lowest unemployment in the state here in Sumter county. Keeps folks off the welfare roles.

AND....The Morses give large sums of money to The Republican Party.


As of January 2015, Sumter County has the second highest unemployment rate in the state at 7.7%, second only to Putnam County at 8.4%. Monroe County (Key West and the Keys) historically has the lowest rate in the state at 4.1%.


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[Eastwind53]

I agree with you. I bought in Silver Lake 15 years ago. If I knew it was going to be this big I would have not bought. Love TV 9 months of the year. We go to the Caribbean Feb, Mar. and April. Problem solved.

[JoMar]

All this will be a benefit to the developers for sure-what benefit is it to the rest of us??? I ifor one will miss seeing the cows and the rural like setting!!! At this point I think some would call it greed/??

So your view is that if the developer doesn't develop it the cows and rural like setting will be there for eternity for you to enjoy?

[Polar Bear]

...At this point I think some would call it greed/??

Of course some would...hardly making it so.

[applesoffh]

The above is a quote from the online news. Some people are already commenting on another thread that was started about what might happen to the land on 466A across from Pinellas, and beside the Sand Hill golf course, formerly Tradewinds Village. But because the name of the thread is a little misleading, (New golf course and village) and the fact that it is on page 2, and about 6 pages back, I am starting a new topic.
You know, it is very easy to say...if you don't like something, you should leave. That's the first thing anyone says when someone complains about anything. But sometime people have legitimate complaints. I think that this new Village is going to make living in the southern part of the Villages pretty miserable for many people. With the 2000 houses from Fruitland Village, and this new developement of "significant" number of houses on 200 acres, we could be looking at possibly another 1000+ homes if they do CYV's in Wildwood. That could possibly put 5000-6000 more people on 466A, not counting the other houses being built all around Bell Glade area, and the new houses in Charlotte. I have no idea how many that will be. Then add to the mix, all the other houses being built off of 466a by other developers, and I would hope that anyone could see that traffic on 466a and all surrounding areas will be horrible. We live basically at the intersection of Buena Vista and St Charles, and between cars and the fact that the golf cart path for most of the Southern courses all pass along the entrance of St James, traffic even in summer can be extremely busy. Our pools and Rec centers are always busy. So although this new Village might not directly effect some of you, don't say that everything is wonderful, and not all people are happy about it. Saying something like this bothers you does not mean that you want to leave, just wish The Villages would consider the how new buildings will be negative for the residents.

Funny - my neighbors and I were just talking about this the other day. My house was the 4th completed in the Village of Charlotte, and we moved in January of 2012. Our agent told us that The Developer was entering the final phase of the buildout, which would end in - OH WOW - 2016.

It's packed here - and I came from NYC where we are really packed. The shopping at Colony has become almost intolerable, and Pinellas will become just like it soon enough. The pools are crowded, and more and more folks who live near me are now building their own. Some of the clubs have a minimum 2 years' waiting list just to join. The facilities at the local rec centers are inadquate for the numbers of people looking for various classes, or for local clubs to hold events. The 466A corridor is still has no car wash (please, someone build one on Rt 44!).

We like living here, mostly due to our fabulous network of friends and neighbors, but it's becoming more and more difficult to enjoy the "lifestyle" because of over-crowding. You guys living in the areas north of 466A are fortunate - your areas are already built out. Although we don't see ourselves moving, this isn't exactly what we signed up for.

[njbchbum]

All this will be a benefit to the developers for sure-what benefit is it to the rest of us??? I ifor one will miss seeing the cows and the rural like setting!!! At this point I think some would call it greed/??

There is that word again - greed! Its use on TOTV sure makes me wonder...

Who are the truly greedy? So often we read there are not enough golf courses, not enough yoga sessions, not enough free swim sessions, not enough lifelong college classes, not enough restaurants, not enough pickleball courts, not enough beginner level games, too much traffic, ETC! So many people are always complaining and whining for MORE benefits and fewer people to use them. It seems that greed can be a door that swings both ways!

[janmcn]

There is that word again - greed! Its use on TOTV sure makes me wonder...

Who are the truly greedy? So often we read there are not enough golf courses, not enough yoga sessions, not enough free swim sessions, not enough lifelong college classes, not enough restaurants, not enough pickleball courts, not enough beginner level games, too much traffic, ETC! So many people are always complaining and whining for MORE benefits and fewer people to use them. It seems that greed can be a door that swings both ways!


IMO; it's more that new residents feel duped than greedy. Their real estate salesperson probably never said 'see all these beautiful facilities. Too bad you'll never be able to use them because they are already full'.

Nobody knows what will happen with Mark Morse at the helm, but he is not the benevolent person that Gary Morse was (may he RIP).

[graciegirl]

IMO; it's more that new residents feel duped than greedy. Their real estate salesperson probably never said 'see all these beautiful facilities. Too bad you'll never be able to use them because they are already full'.

Nobody knows what will happen with Mark Morse at the helm, but he is not the benevolent person that Gary Morse was (may he RIP).

What makes you say that??? What if he read that??? He is a person too. He was the one that offered to build the church on the square into a performance facility but the "committee" turned him down. Eventually he did anyway.

I see no reason to think Mark Morse is sub par.

I get so tired of the Morse bashing and some of you get tired of the Morse complementing. You bash. I compliment.

Snarky Gracie. Who doesn't work for the developer but would like to shake one of their hands.

[2BNTV]

As long as wherever a home is built, there is the corresponding businesses and amenities that still makes living here, a paradise. I know there are some areas that people feel a need for another supermarket, etc but.........

Why is there such a bias for not letting other people enjoy the great lifestyle that some people, take for granted.

If they build it, they will come. With more people retiring than ever, they should have the right to enjoy the same priviledges as the rest of us. IMHO

After a while, there will no more land to fit anymore homes and all of us don't know when, that will happen.

BTW - Would it kill someone if they had to travel another 10 to 15 minutes to get what they need?

[Licismom]

"They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!"

[Polar Bear]

IMO; it's more that new residents feel duped than greedy. Their real estate salesperson probably never said 'see all these beautiful facilities. Too bad you'll never be able to use them because they are already full'.

Nobody knows what will happen with Mark Morse at the helm, but he is not the benevolent person that Gary Morse was (may he RIP).
Wow. Not even sure what to say about this. (Sometimes the cliche nay-sayers hate is just so appropriate.)

[NYGUY]

I find it very hard to understand where all this negativity comes from. I must be living in a different place!! Not too long ago, a guy told me that he and his wife "HATE IT HERE". Then, why don't they all just leave!!!

[janmcn]

What makes you say that??? What if he read that??? He is a person too. He was the one that offered to build the church on the square into a performance facility but the "committee" turned him down. Eventually he did anyway.

I see no reason to think Mark Morse is sub par.

I get so tired of the Morse bashing and some of you get tired of the Morse complementing. You bash. I compliment.

Snarky Gracie. Who doesn't work for the developer but would like to shake one of their hands.


In the 15 years that I have lived here, residents have never been asked to pay for repairs, etc to district owned facilities. In the past few months, residents in districts 5 through 10 are being told they must pay up to $1.5 million to shore up the Morse Blvd bridge and $50,000 to replace trees on Lake Miona Drive.

IMO: In the past, Gary Morse would have stepped up to the plate and paid these expenses. (This is only my opinion, based on 15 years of observing). There is no way to know for sure.

[golfing eagles]

A legitimate argument for the bridge and trees can be made both ways, but if 110,000 Villagers pony up $14 each, problem is solved. I doubt there will be an epidemic of bankruptcies over that, in fact, hardly worth arguing over.
As for me, I'd rather pay my $14 than end up with a car or cart underwater, and trees do provide oxygen.

[janmcn]

A legitimate argument for the bridge and trees can be made both ways, but if 110,000 Villagers pony up $14 each, problem is solved. I doubt there will be an epidemic of bankruptcies over that, in fact, hardly worth arguing over.
As for me, I'd rather pay my $14 than end up with a car or cart underwater, and trees do provide oxygen.


It is only the districts south of CR466 that are being asked to 'pony up'.

[sunnyatlast]

All this will be a benefit to the developers for sure-what benefit is it to the rest of us??? I for one will miss seeing the cows and the rural like setting!!! At this point I think some would call it greed/??

If you want to look at pasture and be in a rural setting, it probably wasn't a good idea to buy a house surrounded on 3-4 sides by other houses on 1/10th or 1/5th of an acre lots having city water, sewer, curbing etc. The density has always been known to buyers here, and the wise ones know that as we age, we need easy socialization with others, to avoid loneliness that research now shows worsens debilitation.

As for "greed", I don't think its greedy to build for people clamoring at the doors and on the phone that are coming with cash in hand to buy. This is a stable economy because of the residents who manage their money well, as does the developer.

[golfing eagles]

That makes little sense---residents north of 466 don't use the bridge, breathe the air, or admire the scenery?????

[sunnyatlast]

A legitimate argument for the bridge and trees can be made both ways, but if 110,000 Villagers pony up $14 each, problem is solved. I doubt there will be an epidemic of bankruptcies over that, in fact, hardly worth arguing over.
As for me, I'd rather pay my $14 than end up with a car or cart underwater, and trees do provide oxygen.

Minnesota relatives of those who died or were maimed in the 2007 bridge collapse on I-35w probably wish somebody had proposed a solution costing county/state residents $14 each.

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[graciegirl]

In the 15 years that I have lived here, residents have never been asked to pay for repairs, etc to district owned facilities. In the past few months, residents in districts 5 through 10 are being told they must pay up to $1.5 million to shore up the Morse Blvd bridge and $50,000 to replace trees on Lake Miona Drive.

IMO: In the past, Gary Morse would have stepped up to the plate and paid these expenses. (This is only my opinion, based on 15 years of observing). There is no way to know for sure.

I don't recall reading or hearing that anyone would have to pay out of their pocket. The District sets aside money for repairs etc. I think this is just another misunderstanding. I haven't got a bill, have you? I am pretty sure I won't either. Let's wait and see before all this sturm und drang.

[janmcn]

I don't recall reading or hearing that anyone would have to pay out of their pocket. The District sets aside money for repairs etc. I think this is just another misunderstanding. I haven't got a bill, have you? I am pretty sure I won't either. Let's wait and see before all this sturm und drang.


It's doubtful that any resident will get a 'bill', but when $1.5 million plus $50,000 is spent on this, it's not there for other things.

[golfing eagles]

Perhaps, but in the end the bridge HAS to be fixed, unless TV residents are up for a game of Lake Sumter roulette.
So, choices are:
1) the developer pays
2) the residents pay
3) the developer goes to the bank, which I doubt is necessary

I have no idea of the cost of "other things", but if a cost offset is needed, perhaps digging up and changing the flowers could be done every 4 months instead of every 3--wonder what the savings would be?, and I doubt it would even be noticeable

[asianthree]

Bonus is if you really feel duped you can sell your house fairly quickly :wave:

[JoMar]

Perhaps, but in the end the bridge HAS to be fixed, unless TV residents are up for a game of Lake Sumter roulette.
So, choices are:
1) the developer pays
2) the residents pay
3) the developer goes to the bank, which I doubt is necessary

I have no idea of the cost of "other things", but if a cost offset is needed, perhaps digging up and changing the flowers could be done every 4 months instead of every 3--wonder what the savings would be?, and I doubt it would even be noticeable

The changing landscaping of the common areas is one of the selling points of this place and when we have guests it is always noticed. Of course maybe they could cut back on how the golf courses are maintained, or the pools cleaned, etc. I'm sure there is a portion of the population that would doubt it would be that noticeable. Everything here has their constituency and I think TV does a great job of taking care of all of them. By the way, if they want to send me a bill for $14.00 I would be happy to pay it.

[golfing eagles]

which was my point in the first place. most Villagers paid 200k-800K for their homes, why all the hoopla over 14, or 22, or 29 dollars

[Paper1]

If they did they, I hope they said something, like I am doing. But thanks for the friendly, helpful comment. You may live in an area where you are not affected, and obviously have no empathy for those that are.
You should have antisipated the beating. I am also concerned with impact on resale with so much growth. People are paying $300,000 and more for homes that would cost $150,000 anywhere else. That is a big premium for the "lifestyle". Hopefully our concerns are unfounded and lifestyle will remain worth the investment. Keep posting.

[Challenger]

All this will be a benefit to the developers for sure-what benefit is it to the rest of us??? I ifor one will miss seeing the cows and the rural like setting!!! At this point I think some would call it greed/??

I would call it a good business decision by an expert realestate developer. Why the dig about greed?

The property will be developed sooner rather than later by someone and I would prefer the Villages organization rather than any other.

[Mikeod]

It's doubtful that any resident will get a 'bill', but when $1.5 million plus $50,000 is spent on this, it's not there for other things.

My understanding is that the money will come from the PWA account which is funded by the resident CDDs south of 466. I think that's where the confusion comes from where people think they could be assessed for the funds. I think the PWA is funded from the CDD maintenance fee we pay with our annual tax bill. Now, that could mean that fee gets increased next year to replenish the account.

But it shouldn't affect the amenity funding as it is separate.

[Challenger]

"They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!"

And the point is?

[MikeyBoo54]

I won't be too concerned about it until they start building "bunk houses". On top is too close. :-)

[joldnol]

"They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!"

except they didn't....my wife and I are astounded by the huge amount of green spaces around us

[lanemb]

For various reasons we all made the decision to purchase here leaving behind something we either didn't like or we just thought we would like TV much better. Thank God we have the right to choose so it is with no disrespect that I say "Love it or Leave it". In this text that is a positive comment expressing your freedom of choice.

I first visited TV over 10 years ago and listened o the hype before I was even 50. Of course then they were about to build out. As I got closer to retirement and started seriously considering the move once again I heard they are about to build out. I just told my realtor I didn't believe that now as I didn't believe it 10 years ago and asked that he stick to the true facts.

We are now homeowners south of 466A and very much looking forward to the move permanently in the near future. I listen to all the post negative and positive and have made the decisions the positives far out weigh the negatives. Once here if it doesn't measure up or we simply tire of the location I will do as I feel so free to do, move again. And I would do so with no hard feelings. Life is an adventure. Jump aboard.

I look forward to the growth knowing many good concerned citizens are helping direct the path through local regulation. Our best vote is with our wallet. When they stop buying it is because they aren't building what is wanted or needed. I can't wait to watch it develop and hope I continue to love it.

[perrjojo]

We first looked here in 2000. There were 8000 homes. There was one square, one grocery store, no Home Depot, no Lowes, Walmart, Target, Publix, SAMs, Best Buy, etc, etc,etc. I like it better with all of the conviences we have now..even if it means more traffic. Without the added population there would be a long drive to these conviencs.

[graciegirl]

We first looked here in 2000. There were 8000 homes. There was one square, one grocery store, no Home Depot, no Lowes, Walmart, Target, Publix, SAMs, Best Buy, etc, etc,etc. I like it better with all of the conviences we have now..even if it means more traffic. Without the added population there would be a long drive to these conviencs.


I agree. There will be folks whose glass is always half empty and those whose glass is half full and Pollyanna's like me whose cup runneth over. Maybe got just a few years left so why shouldn't I find happy things????? We all forget sometimes that this is the third quarter for most of us.

Why all this negativity??? Now is the time to dance in the rain. AND THIS is the place to do it.

[Barefoot]

Life is an adventure. Jump aboard.

I look forward to the growth knowing many good concerned citizens are helping direct the path through local regulation. Our best vote is with our wallet. When they stop buying it is because they aren't building what is wanted or needed. I can't wait to watch it develop and hope I continue to love it.

Beautiful post. I have a feeling that you're going to love The Villages. With your positive attitude, you'll make good friends quickly.

[Polar Bear]

...People are paying $300,000 and more for homes that would cost $150,000 anywhere else. That is a big premium for the "lifestyle"...
Out of pure curiosity, I regularly check home values in areas where I've lived or visited, family members have lived or visited, and other areas at random...I simply don't find this statement to be true. And I didn't find it to be true when I purchased my home in TV.

[Bonanza]

You're obviously sincere about your concerns. I would never belittle that. But at the same time, TV has expanded many times. I don't think people are discarding your thoughts. They're simply saying that they don't agree with your assessment...which I must say is rather doom-and-gloom.

The developers have been responsible so far. I don't think there's any reason to think that will change. And of course many Villagers are from areas that make any congestion in TV, now and for the foreseeable future, look trivial by comparison. I'm one of those.

Hang in there. I simply don't think it will be as bad as you think. In fact...it's possible that it won't be bad at all.

If you think for one moment that with the addition of a few thousand more homes being built off of 466A, that nothing will change, I have a bridge to sell you.
Don't kid yourself -- It will not only directly affect traffic on 466A, but also Buena Vista and Morse. In simple terms, it has to.

And I don't think the OP's assessment was characterized with doom and gloom. I found it quite realistic.

[Bonanza]

I am sure the developer has taken some of your concerns into consideration. We live South of 466a and love it. I can't foresee the area being any busier than the 441/27 corridor.

There is no way you can compare the traffic on 441 to the network of streets within TV.

441 is a state road and you can drive to Ft. Lauderdale, if you chose to. It is a road of mainly three lanes of traffic in each direction with a large median. It has traffic lights in larger commercial and residential areas and long stretches of smooth sailing without any stops. It has many left and right hand turn lanes. The traffic moves and there is hardly ever a traffic jam.

With 30 and 35 mph (maximum) within TV, added to a multitude of circles, and 15 and 20 mph on some internal streets, movement will always be pretty much at a snail's pace.

Morse and Buena could have been designed similarly to the roadway part of 441, but they weren't. Our circles are beautiful, but so are the 4 corners of 466 and 466a, which no one ever seems to mention. IMO, we have too many circles which prevents a smooth flow of traffic. We won't talk about what it does to your tires and gas consumption.

Sorry, but you can't compare 441 and our streets in the same breath.

[CraigC]

There is no way you can compare the traffic on 441 to the network of streets within TV.

441 is a state road and you can drive to Ft. Lauderdale, if you chose to. It is a road of mainly three lanes of traffic in each direction with a large median. It has traffic lights in larger commercial and residential areas and long stretches of smooth sailing without any stops. It has many left and right hand turn lanes. The traffic moves and there is hardly ever a traffic jam.

With 30 and 35 mph (maximum) within TV, added to a multitude of circles, and 15 and 20 mph on some internal streets, movement will always be pretty much at a snail's pace.

Morse and Buena could have been designed similarly to the roadway part of 441, but they weren't. Our circles are beautiful, but so are the 4 corners of 466 and 466a, which no one ever seems to mention. IMO, we have too many circles which prevents a smooth flow of traffic. We won't talk about what it does to your tires and gas consumption.

Sorry, but you can't compare 441 and our streets in the same breath.

Well, I don't ever see a real backup at any of the circles unless there has been an accident or some type of roadwork. They seem to work quite well considering how many accidents we have at the traffic lights.

As for gas consumption, I assure you, that putting in stop signs or traffic lights would increase gas consumption not decrease it. I don't know about the increased wear on tires, but that is a possibility. Has someone documented the increased wear due to circles? Is the increase in wear enough to worry about considering that we would all be burning more gas if the circles were changed to traffic lights or stop signs?

[Polar Bear]

If you think for one moment that with the addition of a few thousand more homes being built off of 466A, that nothing will change, I have a bridge to sell you.

Don't kid yourself -- It will not only directly affect traffic on 466A, but also Buena Vista and Morse. In simple terms, it has to.

And I don't think the OP's assessment was characterized with doom and gloom. I found it quite realistic.
Not one word of my post says nothing will change. Things absolutely will change. I just don't see it as the bad thing you apparently do.

[Polar Bear]

There is no way you can compare the traffic on 441 to the network of streets within TV
Totally agree.

It has...traffic lights in larger commercial and residential areas and long stretches of smooth sailing without any stops...
"Without any stops"? Highly debatable, especially during the peak season.

...Morse and Buena could have been designed similarly to the roadway part of 441, but they weren't...
You're right, they could have been. And if they had been, it would have been a huge mistake. They're arterial/collector/distributor roads that are designed appropriately to serve their purpose...not state roads designed to take traffic long distances at high speeds. Like you said, you can't compare 441 to Morse and BV. There are reasons for that. Good reasons.

...we have too many circles which prevents a smooth flow of traffic. We won't talk about what it does to your...gas consumption...
Here's the biggest flaw in your post...roundabouts facilitate the smooth flow of traffic. It has been documented in more than one traffic study. Stopping at every intersection where there is now a roundabout would increase travel times and congestion. Almost every aspect of traffic flow would be worse. And yes...let's do talk about gas consumption...it would be dramatically increased with stop signs or traffic signals.

...Sorry, but you can't compare 441 and our streets in the same breath...
Again, one thing we can agree upon.

[Skybo]

The purchase and development of this small parcel of land by TV makes sense. It's practically surrounded by TV now. I remember "hearing" that TV attempted to buy it years ago, but the owner either didn't want to sell or wanted too much money. If TV had been able to purchase it back then, it would have had homes on it 4 or 5 years ago when they built Tamarind Grove, Buttonwood, etc. Just a couple of years ago it was rezoned from Agricultural to Mixed Use and there were plans floated for another developer to put in commercial, medical and residential units. I remember seeing concept drawings of that development posted here on TOTV. I don't know why that fell through, and maybe it's still on the table. After all, Wildwood hasn't even agreed to letting TV purchase the property yet. But as many other people have already stated, something will eventually go there.

[skip0358]

Well the channel 9 news reported last night that TV is going after land on Rt. 44 & Powell Rd. so that must be next to the Publix Shopping center & S/O the new Villa Section. They have a meeting set with wildwood to discuss this.

[asianthree]

Well the channel 9 news reported last night that TV is going after land on Rt. 44 & Powell Rd. so that must be next to the Publix Shopping center & S/O the new Villa Section. They have a meeting set with wildwood to discuss this.

Courtyard villas

[NYGUY]

Well the channel 9 news reported last night that TV is going after land on Rt. 44 & Powell Rd. so that must be next to the Publix Shopping center & S/O the new Villa Section. They have a meeting set with wildwood to discuss this.

When I saw that report, I had the impression that they got the location wrong and that they should have said 466A & Powell Rd. (the location of the previously reported potential 200 acre purchase on the north side of 466A). I could be wrong though and there is another 200 acres on 44.

[ricthemic]

The purchase and development of this small parcel of land by TV makes sense. It's practically surrounded by TV now. I remember "hearing" that TV attempted to buy it years ago, but the owner either didn't want to sell or wanted too much money. If TV had been able to purchase it back then, it would have had homes on it 4 or 5 years ago when they built Tamarind Grove, Buttonwood, etc. Just a couple of years ago it was rezoned from Agricultural to Mixed Use and there were plans floated for another developer to put in commercial, medical and residential units. I remember seeing concept drawings of that development posted here on TOTV. I don't know why that fell through, and maybe it's still on the table. After all, Wildwood hasn't even agreed to letting TV purchase the property yet. But as many other people have already stated, something will eventually go there.

These wide open large areas next to Sand Hill and north of 466A currently have Village houses bordering everywhere with the exception of the Tamerin Grove postal station. Just wondering how this area wd be golf cart accessible ? A new 466A tunnel or path up sandhill to turtle mound tunnel?

[villagetinker]

These wide open large areas next to Sand Hill and north of 466A currently have Village houses bordering everywhere with the exception of the Tamerin Grove postal station. Just wondering how this area wd be golf cart accessible ? A new 466A tunnel or path up sandhill to turtle mound tunnel?

I am guessing that an "AT GRADE" crossing of 466a at Powell or Pinellas will be the solution for golf cart crossing. In either case, IMHO, changes should be made to the existing streets in Pinellas Plaza to handle all of the additional golf carts.

[Skybo]

These wide open large areas next to Sand Hill and north of 466A currently have Village houses bordering everywhere with the exception of the Tamerin Grove postal station. Just wondering how this area wd be golf cart accessible ? A new 466A tunnel or path up sandhill to turtle mound tunnel?

That's a good question. Perhaps there is room to exit to the north onto Tamarind Grove Run just west of the Tamarind Grove pool. And/or, as you stated, a MM path along the north side of 466a and bring it around the corner at Buena Vista Blvd where it could link up to the MM path that runs north along Buena Vista or through the tunnel to Turtle Mound. Another tunnel under 466a would be great, but I'm sure they would still need a way for golf cart traffic to stay on the north side of 466a.

[janetssmith]

Is the new Wildwood addition going to be family housing? Like for The Villages employees?

[Indydealmaker]

Is the new Wildwood addition going to be family housing? Like for The Villages employees?

If so, it could not then be part of The Villages. The Villages is exclusively an age-restricted retirement community. There are developments in the area that can accommodate families, but they are completely unique.

The contemplated expansion under discussion here would be part of The Villages.

[Packer Fan]

I have a dumb question - if it is the 466A and Powell section - Google earth shows there are at least 5 and maybe up to 7 houses already in that area - I assume this has happened before. What happens to those houses if the Villages buys the rest of the land???

[Skybo]

I have a dumb question - if it is the 466A and Powell section - Google earth shows there are at least 5 and maybe up to 7 houses already in that area - I assume this has happened before. What happens to those houses if the Villages buys the rest of the land???


If you look at this photo (which was posted on the online news site), just below the far right/bottom corner of the red box you can see the Tamarind Grove neighborhood pool. The land within the red "L" shaped box is the area that we are discussing. It is open pasture land and it doesn't contain (to my best recollection) any occupied homes. The major road that you can see on the far right of this photo is Powell Rd/CR462. The land between Powell /462 and the "red box" area does not appear (at least for now) to be part of the of the expansion discussion.

[villagetinker]

As I drive from Buena Vista towards Powell, I counted at least 3-4 houses along 466a. Did not pay attention if they are occupied, as I was driving.

[Bogie Shooter]

As I drive from Buena Vista towards Powell, I counted at least 3-4 houses along 466a. Did not pay attention if they are occupied, as I was driving.

occupied or not they will be gone

[asianthree]

It looks to be a small village doesn't matter how many houses putting on it but can't be that many.

[mulligan]

Right now speculation has the area at about 200 acres. Take out 40 for an exec golf course, and you still have space for 500 +- homes.

[Bonanza]

Totally agree.


"Without any stops"? Highly debatable, especially during the peak season.


You're right, they could have been. And if they had been, it would have been a huge mistake. They're arterial/collector/distributor roads that are designed appropriately to serve their purpose...not state roads designed to take traffic long distances at high speeds. Like you said, you can't compare 441 to Morse and BV. There are reasons for that. Good reasons.


Here's the biggest flaw in your post...roundabouts facilitate the smooth flow of traffic. It has been documented in more than one traffic study. Stopping at every intersection where there is now a roundabout would increase travel times and congestion. Almost every aspect of traffic flow would be worse. And yes...let's do talk about gas consumption...it would be dramatically increased with stop signs or traffic signals.


Again, one thing we can agree upon.

Yes, if you drive out of the Lady Lake area on 441, there are many areas on 441, north and south, where you can drive without stops, and even above 45 mph.

What you called "the biggest flaw in my post," is not a flaw at all, if you think about it. If the main arteries (Morse and Buena Vista) went straight through (no circles) and had a few traffic lights at high traffic intersections, the only other stop you might have would be the stop coming out of your own Village. That would facilitate traffic. I never said anything about stopping at every intersection where the circles are. That would be awful.

Well, nothing's going to change but it feels good to vent! :laugh:

[dadspet]

We live south of 466a and find the traffic isn't at all bad compared to more northern regions by SUMTER LANDING AND SS. Actually what I think will happen is the southern expansion of the territories will probably affect those established settlements even more. ( Lewis and Clark expedition ). Sorry but I have to get back to my Taxes and stop this posting.