Tea party accomplishments

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I'd love to hear exactly what the tea party has accomplished in its tenure. I want the good and the bad! What is the perception of the tea party within our community?

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Let's start with the government shutdown and the downgrade of our credit rating by Congress's reluctance to pay its bills(for items they voted in favor of).

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:icon_bored:

:popcorn:

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I'd love to hear exactly what the tea party has accomplished in its tenure. I want the good and the bad! What is the perception of the tea party within our community?

Juste coated with sincerity, right.

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Still waiting????

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1) rigor mortis in Congress

2) alienation in government

3) disenchantment with GOP

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I'd love to hear exactly what the tea party has accomplished in its tenure. I want the good and the bad! What is the perception of the tea party within our community?

Obama's second term

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Have fun, children!

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I'd love to hear exactly what the tea party has accomplished in its tenure. I want the good and the bad! What is the perception of the tea party within our community?

The Tea Party has raised "awareness".

Liberals love having their awareness raised.

Therefore, the liberals love the Tea Party!

The whole "occupy" movement was about raising awareness. I honestly forget what issue I had my awareness raised about, but I'm sure it was important.

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I'd love to hear exactly what the tea party has accomplished in its tenure. I want the good and the bad! What is the perception of the tea party within our community?





They've given SNL enough material for the next five years, at least.

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The tea party's biggest accomplishment will be getting a woman elected to the presidency for the first time in US history:bigbow:

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I find it amusing that in two days not one accomplishment was brought out by the tea partiers here. If you support this organization, why are you not out front, and stating your case. Maybe deeply seated (understandable)guilt? I don't get it.

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I find it amusing that in two days not one accomplishment was brought out by the tea partiers here. If you support this organization, why are you not out front, and stating your case. Maybe deeply seated (understandable)guilt? I don't get it.

Sounds like turn about fair play to me.
Some of you folks NEVER respond to a direct question EVER.

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Sounds like turn about fair play to me.
Some of you folks NEVER respond to a direct question EVER.

You failed!

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One of the tea party's greatest achievements is making sure that employers decide what type of birth control a woman can use and even if she can use birth control.

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:blahblahblah:

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Indiana Gov. Pence Signs Anti-Gay Religious Freedom Bill Into Law (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/pence-signs-gay-marriage-religious-freedom-bill?utm_content=buffer76c9f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)


Tea Partiers can be quite proud of getting these "religious freedom bills" passed, allowing businesses to discriminate against anyone who they fundamentally disagree with.

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Indiana Gov. Pence Signs Anti-Gay Religious Freedom Bill Into Law (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/pence-signs-gay-marriage-religious-freedom-bill?utm_content=buffer76c9f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)


Tea Partiers can be quite proud of getting these "religious freedom bills" passed, allowing businesses to discriminate against anyone who they fundamentally disagree with.

and more :blahblahblah:

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and more :blahblahblah:

And another intelligent reply, but no defense for the religious freedom law.

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Indiana Gov. Pence Signs Anti-Gay Religious Freedom Bill Into Law (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/pence-signs-gay-marriage-religious-freedom-bill?utm_content=buffer76c9f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)


Tea Partiers can be quite proud of getting these "religious freedom bills" passed, allowing businesses to discriminate against anyone who they fundamentally disagree with.

Indiana sends message to LGBT Americans: We don't want you.


Indiana 'Religious Freedom' Bill Lets Businesses, Individuals Decide Who Gets Equal Treatment - The National Memo (http://www.nationalmemo.com/indiana-religious-freedom-bill-lets-businesses-individuals-decide-who-gets-equal-treatment/)

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Indiana sends message to LGBT Americans: We don't want you.


Indiana 'Religious Freedom' Bill Lets Businesses, Individuals Decide Who Gets Equal Treatment - The National Memo (http://www.nationalmemo.com/indiana-religious-freedom-bill-lets-businesses-individuals-decide-who-gets-equal-treatment/)

I agree with the supreme court. Hobby Lobby provided MANY different forms of birth control in the health insurance they provided their employees. Their religious beliefs did not support aborting a fertilized egg (life) via an IUD.

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...and with that idiotic bill being signed into law, the Republican party lost even more supporters nationwide.

Republicans seem to forget their voter base depends on the mainstream membership has to be more inclusive of beliefs of others.

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...and with that idiotic bill being signed into law, the Republican party lost even more supporters nationwide.

Republicans seem to forget their voter base depends on the mainstream membership has to be more inclusive of beliefs of others.

Walker had no problem surviving his recall. Oh, and how many other states have since adopted Tea Party sponsored right to work laws? Seems to fly in the face of your argument, doesn't it?

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The long term affects of Scott Walker will harm generations for years to come...he is well on his way to privatizing edcuation. So far from what our gore father's fought for: public education for ALL

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The long term affects of Scott Walker will harm generations for years to come...he is well on his way to privatizing edcuation. So far from what our gore father's fought for: public education for ALL

I think the long term effects of Scott Walker will greatly HELP generations for years to come. Funny how we see it exactly opposite. I'm pretty sure I'm right, though.

Public union dues are funneled to politicians, the same politicians these unions bargain with for pay and benefits. The obvious problem is that the taxpayer (ME!) is left paying the tab. Private unions are great. If the company can't afford the tab, the stockholders pay, not John Q. Public. See the important difference?

I'm curious how you see it so differently?

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So the best you can come up with is Scott Walker, the man who compares teachers, firemen, and police to Isis. Wow, be ashamed, very ashamed.

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One of the tea party's greatest achievements is making sure that employers decide what type of birth control a woman can use and even if she can use birth control.

That is an "achievement" ?? Only if you consider a travesty an achievement.

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So where is the gang of six with their racist, bigoted, hatred?

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So where is the gang of six with their racist, bigoted, hatred?

:shrug:

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So where is the gang of six with their racist, bigoted, hatred?

Gaze into the closest mirror and you will find what you seek

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Gaze into the closest mirror and you will find what you seek


Ooooo, a real zinger. I am crushed. I have seen the error of my way. I will go register at thr next Tea ****** :loco: Meeting.

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Well we know what the Tea Party has not promulgated that is being espoused by liberals ...and that's enslaving people with entitlements, endorsing hedonistic behavior, destroying the nuclear family, a run away deficit, irresponsible spending misapplication of energy resources that is weaken America's security, redistribution of taxpayers money that's killing GDP growth, elitist /snobbish university system that is destroying the patriotic spirit of our young people, stifling free speech, freedom of religion, critical thinking and brain washing them to communist philosophy, disengaged young people who believe they owe America nothing

The Tea Party has been a responsible grass roots movement to bring this country back to its senses avoiding the fate of the Roman empire

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Well we know what the Tea Party has not promulgated that is being espoused by liberals ...and that's enslaving people with entitlements, endorsing hedonistic behavior, destroying the nuclear family, a run away deficit, irresponsible spending misapplication of energy resources that is weaken America's security, redistribution of taxpayers money that's killing GDP growth, elitist /snobbish university system that is destroying the patriotic spirit of our young people, stifling free speech, freedom of religion, critical thinking and brain washing them to communist philosophy, disengaged young people who believe they owe America nothing

The Tea Party has been a responsible grass roots movement to bring this country back to its senses avoiding the fate of the Roman empire

And paid for by the Koch Brothers, trying to do away with those pesky corporate taxes and heaven forbid, invironmental regulations. Give be a break, they are more about bigotry, racism, religious control, voter disenfranchisement and basic denial of freedoms of choice regarding our own bodies!

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Oh and of course GREED!

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Well we know what the Tea Party:loco: has not promulgated that is being espoused by liberals ...and that's enslaving people with entitlements, endorsing hedonistic behavior, destroying the nuclear family, a run away deficit, irresponsible spending misapplication of energy resources that is weaken America's security, redistribution of taxpayers money that's killing GDP growth, elitist /snobbish university system that is destroying the patriotic spirit of our young people, stifling free speech, freedom of religion, critical thinking and brain washing them to communist philosophy, disengaged young people who believe they owe America nothing

The Tea Party:loco: has been a responsible grass roots movement to bring this country back to its senses avoiding the fate of the Roman empire

In the words of George W. Bush, "Gag me with a pretzel."

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And paid for by the Koch Brothers, trying to do away with those pesky corporate taxes and heaven forbid, invironmental regulations. Give be a break, they are more about bigotry, racism, religious control, voter disenfranchisement and basic denial of freedoms of choice regarding our own bodies!

Talk about a one trick pony ... you need to show more diversity when hurling you now sooooo predictable charges of racism yadda yadda

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But it's true and you know it!

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But it's true and you know it!

Actually it's not true except in your twisted world view

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But it's true and you know it!

Truths:

1. The liberal posters are truly too stupid to form a coherent argument.

2. The few liberals with an IQ above moron parrot the racist, bigot, homophobe moniker in literally every post. I feel like I'm debating kindergartners, and I probably am!

Liberalism (translated means to "rely on others for your survival and condition in life") is a mental illness and these patients are terminal. Pull the plug!

Imagine a frightened rat in a dark building and that is how the average liberal views life. Cheese, heat and another gay mouse ought to be provided to every liberal mouse or it's not fair!

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One of the tea party's greatest achievements is making sure that employers decide what type of birth control a woman can use and even if she can use birth control.

Here's a perfect example of someone who is unable to comprehend the absolute basics of this Supreme Court ruling.

Why waste your time with the functionally illiterate?

Are there any liberals with at least a GED here?

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Are there any liberals with at least a GED here?

Sorry...that WAS asking a lot.

OK...are there any liberals here who can SPELL their names with less than four mistakes?

<crickets>

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Yep, still not one accomplishment, just name calling and hate. Good old tea party, home grown terrorists!

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Yep,...Good old tea party, home grown terrorists!

Whoa ... hyperbolic overdrive yet again. You'll be launched into space soon at this rate

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guess everybody is finally weary of all the baiting on this thread.

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And paid for by the Koch Brothers, trying to do away with those pesky corporate taxes and heaven forbid, invironmental regulations. Give be a break, they are more about bigotry, racism, religious control, voter disenfranchisement and basic denial of freedoms of choice regarding our own bodies!

Hi guest: the problem with your argument is that there are substantially more billionaire promoting the liberal agenda such as soros, bloomberg, tom stenyer.

Kock Brothers promote democracy and capitalism while soros et al promote socialism marxism and communism.

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I'd love to hear exactly what the tea party has accomplished in its tenure. I want the good and the bad! What is the perception of the tea party within our community?

They have succeeded in dividing the republican party into a non-functioning body.

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They have succeeded in dividing the republican party into a non-functioning body.

...and The Canadian Anchor Baby has proved just fact.

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They have succeeded in dividing the republican party into a non-functioning body.

The chairman of the republican party, Reince Preibus, said on the day he was re-elected for the third time, that the republican party will not exist in its current form, if the GOP loses the presidential race in 2016.

Just guessing that he meant there would be a tea-party faction and a more moderate faction, but no strong umbrella organization.

A loss in 2016 would be the sixth loss out of seven contests, in the popular vote.

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Doesn't everyone see that the gang of five, and their beloved tea party have absolutely nothing to contribute only detract and dismiss. It's about the black guy in the White House and how to make sure he has no success, no matter what the price to our country. They are racist hypocrites, period!

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Doesn't everyone see that the gang of five, and their beloved tea party have absolutely nothing to contribute only detract and dismiss. It's about the black guy in the White House and how to make sure he has no success, no matter what the price to our country. They are racist hypocrites, period!

You continue to be the best example available of a broken record

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The chairman of the republican party, Reince Preibus, said on the day he was re-elected for the third time, that the republican party will not exist in its current form, if the GOP loses the presidential race in 2016.

Just guessing that he meant there would be a tea-party faction and a more moderate faction, but no strong umbrella organization.

A loss in 2016 would be the sixth loss out of seven contests, in the popular vote.

I am a registered Republican but would have not voted for Republican President since Bush senior. I am afraid that the current Grand Old Party is totally dysfunctional and embarrassing.

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I am a registered Republican but would have not voted for Republican President since Bush senior. I am afraid that the current Grand Old Party is totally dysfunctional and embarrassing.

I'm a registered Democrat and I have not voted for a Democrat for President since JFK. The party has moved too far to the left and we are now living in a country where the general feeling among the majority seems to be "Ask what your country can do for you not what you can do for your country".

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You continue to be the best example available of a broken record

And I'll never stop telling it like it is. You and your cronies are through politically and morally!

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Doesn't everyone see that the gang of five, and their beloved tea party have absolutely nothing to contribute only detract and dismiss. It's about the black guy in the White House and how to make sure he has no success, no matter what the price to our country. They are racist hypocrites, period!

Dear Guest: In case you haven't notice Obama doesn't need the help of anyone to assist him in not succeeding. He is doing well all by himself.
Obama has proven unfortunately that anyone can be president and I am afraid he has lowered the bar for the most critical position in the world.

Secondly, calling someone a racist is not an argument, its an accusation and one meant to deflect the true debate, a debate liberals can't win no matter how much they try. Jason Riley or Thomas Sowell are two black men that I would vote for in a New york second because they are honorable and honest men highly intelligent and have proven their ability to do the people's will

Obama is a divider, spiteful and small man who has placed this country both domestic and foreign in great peril...and that my friend has nothing to do about his color of his skin but the rather the content of his character.

You would be wise to reassess your thinking because people like you are complicit by acceptance in the unconstitutional dealings of this man and his Administration


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And I'll never stop telling it like it is. You and your cronies are through politically and morally!

You're slipping ... you didn't include any obnoxious name calling

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I am a registered Republican but would have not voted for Republican President since Bush senior. I am afraid that the current Grand Old Party is totally dysfunctional and embarrassing.

Dear Guest: Following the JFK election I had changed parties. My father a loyal Democrat disappointed ask how I could leave the Democrat Party and my reply was I did not leave them they left me. Today I can't imagine my father, a blue dog Democrat would associate with this far left fringe group. I suspect he would vote Independent.

As a registered Republican I was disappointed that more Republicans did not support Mitt Romney and if they had he would have won. Most of what e spoke of has come true.

Ask yourself in an objective and fair manner do you really believe we are better off with the likes of Obama than we would have been with Romney?

The 2016 campaign is underway. I am not inured with Jeb Bush and wish he had not entered the race. While I am undecided and will be until the day I cast my vote in the primary, if Jeb Bush gets the candidacy I would vote for him as president because the democratic option is going to be another disaster.

My belief is that Obama pulled so far left that we need a push hard right to eventually get back to center


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For the very SHORT time Obama was a senator for Illinois he earned the reputation for being the most liberal democrat there!!
So he was left of the far left when he took office.

You can rearrange the spots on a leopard......but when you get all done you STILL have a leopard!

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And still he wins, by a large margin, twice. Don't you understand it is you that are the MINORITY!

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And still he wins, by a large margin, twice. Don't you understand it is you that are the MINORITY!

Ever heard of the silent majority? Stay tuned, you may soon hear from them.

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The democratic party has Obama's past 8 years going against them for 2016.
The cry to take back America (make what ever floats your boat about what that infers) will definately motivate enough of the silent majority to make sure the current trend in America gets stopped and reversed.

And backing Clinton is another motivation for a lot of people who do not want more of the same with another candidate who cannot be trusted by track record.

It is extremely doubful the same number of we the people can be fooled again.
And even more doubtfull that all who did not vote in 2008 and 2012 will let that happen again.

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And still he wins, by a large margin, twice. Don't you understand it is you that are the MINORITY!

Thank you Captain Obvious! Intelligent, well-informed individuals will always be in the minority.

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And still he wins, by a large margin, twice. Don't you understand it is you that are the MINORITY!

Thank God, finally minority status !! Our non negotiable demands now include affirmative action, redistribution of votes and other goodies tbd

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And still he wins, by a large margin, twice. Don't you understand it is you that are the MINORITY!

Now that my minority status has been finally recognized, when does the gravy train begin?

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Let the good times begin. Now that we are a minority we can start talking back and demanding as those in that status before us.

Finally light at the end of the tunnel.

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Bigotry and racism. Your mantra!

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Bigotry and racism. Your mantra!

Same old, same old :blahblahblah::blahblahblah:.

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Now that my minority status has been finally recognized, when does the gravy train begin?

GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/republican-states-most-dependent-government_n_5035877.html)


Good news. The tea party states are the ones most reliant on federal dollars, ie the biggest takers. Mississippi comes in at $3.00 for every $1.00 paid, but the first prize goes to South Carolina which collects $7.87 for every $1.00 it sends to DC.

So it seems the southern republican states are on and have been on the gravy train for quite some time. Congratulations you win the prize for being free-loaders.

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GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/republican-states-most-dependent-government_n_5035877.html)


Good news. The tea party states are the ones most reliant on federal dollars, ie the biggest takers. Mississippi comes in at $3.00 for every $1.00 paid, but the first prize goes to South Carolina which collects $7.87 for every $1.00 it sends to DC.

So it seems the southern republican states are on and have been on the gravy train for quite some time. Congratulations you win the prize for being free-loaders.

Great! Being a minority has finally started to pay off. I'm still waiting for the preferential job treatment and other benefits.

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Great! Being a minority has finally started to pay off. I'm still waiting for the preferential job treatment and other benefits.

Yeah and I am waiting for this political discrimination :censored: to come to a halt.

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And all this time I thought the Bigots in Texas were the worst about being on the Federal dole. They bite the hands that feed them. So now we know that the tea party is full of lazy, shiftless folks that don't want to work, just take the handouts from those of us that chose the democratic way of life. I'll add hypocrit to the laziness,racist, bigoted, selfish, OLD tea party members!

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Dear Guest: In case you haven't notice Obama doesn't need the help of anyone to assist him in not succeeding. He is doing well all by himself.
Obama has proven unfortunately that anyone can be president and I am afraid he has lowered the bar for the most critical position in the world.

Secondly, calling someone a racist is not an argument, its an accusation and one meant to deflect the true debate, a debate liberals can't win no matter how much they try. Jason Riley or Thomas Sowell are two black men that I would vote for in a New york second because they are honorable and honest men highly intelligent and have proven their ability to do the people's will

Obama is a divider, spiteful and small man who has placed this country both domestic and foreign in great peril...and that my friend has nothing to do about his color of his skin but the rather the content of his character.

You would be wise to reassess your thinking because people like you are complicit by acceptance in the unconstitutional dealings of this man and his Administration


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Actually I am very happy with the direction this country has taken in the last 6 years. Our economy is leading the world, our soldiers are not dying in a ill fated war, and we have taken steps to insure that health care is personal responsibility with consequences if not subscribed. We also have a President who cares about the environment and future generations.

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And all this time I thought the Bigots in Texas were the worst about being on the Federal dole. They bite the hands that feed them. So now we know that the tea party is full of lazy, shiftless folks that don't want to work, just take the handouts from those of us that chose the democratic way of life. I'll add hypocrit to the laziness,racist, bigoted, selfish, OLD tea party members!

I can practically set my watch by your predictable deranged and hate filled rants. Kind of like Old Fathfull except that you are anything but faithful

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And all this time I thought the Bigots in Texas were the worst about being on the Federal dole. They bite the hands that feed them. So now we know that the tea party is full of lazy, shiftless folks that don't want to work, just take the handouts from those of us that chose the democratic way of life. I'll add hypocrit to the laziness,racist, bigoted, selfish, OLD tea party members!

I'll use a technique worn out by select participant(s).

So now if one is accepting handouts from the government they lazy, shiftless, don't want to work lazy, racist, bigoted and selfish.
That is a slam against a goodly number of democrats participating.

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What the tea party has successfully accomplished is pulling much of the republican party even further to the right, and destroyed the concept of compromise. They over represent the party in primaries and caucuses, nominating the most extreme candidates and pulling more moderate candidates to the far right in order to gain their support. These candidates get elected in reliably republican states, and gerrymandered districts, but lose in evenly contested elections, where a moderate may have won. Sarah Palin cost John McCain a good chance to be president. The tea party claims to be a middle to lower middle class grass roots uprising, but is largely funded by billionaires who care nothing about those people but only care about reducing their taxes and eliminating environmental and safety regulations.

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Actually I am very happy with the direction this country has taken in the last 6 years. Our economy is leading the world, our soldiers are not dying in a ill fated war, and we have taken steps to insure that health care is personal responsibility with consequences if not subscribed. We also have a President who cares about the environment and future generations.



And we haven't been attacked like 9/11, the financial markets haven't collapsed like September 2008, the Dow is hovering around 18,000, unemployment is just above 5%, gas prices are still low.

When President Obama leaves office in January 2017, line up all of your financial statements and compare them to January 2009, the month he was sworn in, and ask yourself 'Am I better off now than I was eight years ago'?

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And we haven't been attacked like 9/11, the financial markets haven't collapsed like September 2008, the Dow is hovering around 18,000, unemployment is just above 5%, gas prices are still low.

When President Obama leaves office in January 2017, line up all of your financial statements and compare them to January 2009, the month he was sworn in, and ask yourself 'Am I better off now than I was eight years ago'?

Reagans recovery was built on growth and enterprise. The current stock market bubble is a result of several trillion dollars of borrowed money and trillions in QE by the Fed. I'll keep the money but at least, unlike you, I know enough who to thank -- our kids for letting us charge up their credit card and sticking them with the bill

Also, ironically enough, the artificially high stock market is an excellent example of income inequality which is what the Left wrings its hands over. Go figure ...

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Yea and Reagan raised taxes!

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Reagan would be called a Rino by today's Republican ( tea party) extremists!

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where is the dead horse emoticon when one needs it?

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And we haven't been attacked like 9/11, the financial markets haven't collapsed like September 2008, the Dow is hovering around 18,000, unemployment is just above 5%, gas prices are still low.

When President Obama leaves office in January 2017, line up all of your financial statements and compare them to January 2009, the month he was sworn in, and ask yourself 'Am I better off now than I was eight years ago'?

Abso-:censored:-lutely!
Obama finally outta office:clap2:

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The Tea Party offers another option

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The Tea Party offers another option

Exactly is that? What have they demonstrated they are for?

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Abso-:censored:-lutely!
Obama finally outta office:clap2:
You like Hillary and Liz better. I'd hate to see you go through another 8 years so angry.

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Yea and Reagan raised taxes!

Actually RR reduced the top income tax rate from 70 to 28% and indexed the tax code to inflation. In short, he restored the incentive to work.

Obama, by contrast, has reduced the incentive to work (various income transfer programs, food stamps and illegal Immigartion to cite a few examples )

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Abso-:censored:-lutely!
Obama finally outta office:clap2:

And makes room for Ted Cruz :pray:

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God I hope you guys run that wacko. Bachman would make a great vp candidate, don't you think?

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Actually RR reduced the top income tax rate from 70 to 28% and indexed the tax code to inflation. In short, he restored the incentive to work.

Obama, by contrast, has reduced the incentive to work (various income transfer programs, food stamps and illegal Immigartion to cite a few examples )

He lowered the tax rate for the wealthy and placed more on the middle class. Sounds like redistribution of wealth to me, but that is the tea party way, as long as it benefits the billionaire benefactors! And he would still be a Rino today!

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He lowered the tax rate for the wealthy and placed more on the middle class. Sounds like redistribution of wealth to me, but that is the tea party way, as long as it benefits the billionaire benefactors! And he would still be a Rino today!

You have never understood basic economics and finally convinced us all you never will ... (Ps this is your cue to call me a racist and various other reliable standbys)

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You like Hillary and Liz better. I'd hate to see you go through another 8 years so angry.

The more I think about Liz Warren as President (plus Chief of the Cherokees) the more I like it

She is so bat sh*t crazy she may end up scaring Putin and the Ayatollahs ... obviously Obama does not

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You have never understood basic economics and finally convinced us all you never will ... (Ps this is your cue to call me a racist and various other reliable standbys)

Don't know what this has to do with the OP, but I'll roll with it. Perhaps you can splain to us lesser minds how lowering the rates on the wealthy, and increasing the tax burden on the middle class helps the economy, or more specifically, the middle class to which most of us belong. The top marginal rate in the 50's was more than 90%, a decade in which the middle class enjoyed the greatest prosperity in history, with low unemployment, low inflation, and high productivity. The top marginal rate today is 39.6%, an era in which the middle class is losing prosperity at an alarming rate. Some of you seem to have bought into the Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, et al propaganda that the wealthy will take good care of the economy if they only get to keep more of what they acquire and get rid of those pesky regulations on their businesses. They have bought you with religious scare tactics and out and out lies to promote their agenda, which in no way benefits you or your kids and grandkids (unless you are a Walton or a Ford etc.)

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You may want to check the state of affairs in deep red Kansas to see how the low tax experiment is progressing.

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The Tea Party offers another option

As do Communism, Nazism, ISIS, and Satanism.

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Don't know what this has to do with the OP, but I'll roll with it. Perhaps you can splain to us lesser minds how lowering the rates on the wealthy, and increasing the tax burden on the middle class helps the economy, or more specifically, the middle class to which most of us belong. The top marginal rate in the 50's was more than 90%, a decade in which the middle class enjoyed the greatest prosperity in history, with low unemployment, low inflation, and high productivity. The top marginal rate today is 39.6%, an era in which the middle class is losing prosperity at an alarming rate. Some of you seem to have bought into the Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, et al propaganda that the wealthy will take good care of the economy if they only get to keep more of what they acquire and get rid of those pesky regulations on their businesses. They have bought you with religious scare tactics and out and out lies to promote their agenda, which in no way benefits you or your kids and grandkids (unless you are a Walton or a Ford etc.)

The bought and paid for mentality of the greedy old tea partiers. I agree wholeheartedly with you. The "trickle down" economy,didnt work then and no matter how he spins it , it doesn't work now. Without a viable middle class they are doomed in the long run, but of course the other poster doesnt give a rats ass about the long term. More of the let them eat cake mentality. As the French said," Off with their heads!".

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Perhaps you can splain to us lesser minds how lowering the rates on the wealthy, and increasing the tax burden on the middle class helps the economy, or more specifically, the middle class to which most of us belong.

The top 20% of income earners pay >70% of the nation's tax bill. Lowering their rate is just plain FAIR!

The top 20% can do whatever they wish with their money, but I'd venture to say they'd use it to: expand their businesses, purchase more equipment, hire more employees, invest it in other companies so they could use the capital to expand, purchase real estate/second homes/vacation homes, SAVE, go on vacation(s), purchase toys (boats, cars, motorcycles, RV's, snow machines)...

The middle class continues to shrink and become wealthier...just a fact. The so-called "wealthy's" share of the total pie has hardly budged in decades. The truth is that a rising tide IS lifting all boats. Hyperbole is one thing, but facts are facts.

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The top 20% of income earners pay >70% of the nation's tax bill. Lowering their rate is just plain FAIR!

The top 20% can do whatever they wish with their money, but I'd venture to say they'd use it to: expand their businesses, purchase more equipment, hire more employees, invest it in other companies so they could use the capital to expand, purchase real estate/second homes/vacation homes, SAVE, go on vacation(s), purchase toys (boats, cars, motorcycles, RV's, snow machines)...

The middle class continues to shrink and become wealthier...just a fact. The so-called "wealthy's" share of the total pie has hardly budged in decades. The truth is that a rising tide IS lifting all boats. Hyperbole is one thing, but facts are facts.

Are living in dreamland. The middle class is definitely shrinking, it's getting poorer. The disparity and wealth gap are terrible. You are in the job creator role, pay your fair taxes. You do not need a further tax break, nor does Bloomburg!

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Are living in dreamland. The middle class is definitely shrinking, it's getting poorer. The disparity and wealth gap are terrible. You are in the job creator role, pay your fair taxes. You do not need a further tax break, nor does Bloomburg!

Here you go tiger! It's kind of like pointing out something to a 4 yr-old!

"Bottom Line: In other words, America’s “middle class” did start largely disappearing in the 1970s, but it was because they were moving up to a higher-income category, not down into a lower-income category. And that movement was so significant that between 1967 and 2009, the share of American families earning incomes above $75,000 more than doubled, from 16.3% to 39.1%. On the previous CD post, Ken commented that although “Many prominent people like Paul Krugman claim that the middle class has been in decline since the 1970s, that assertion is incredibly and verifiably wrong.”


Yes, the middle class has been disappearing, but they haven't fallen into the lower class, they've risen into the upper class - AEI | Carpe Diem Blog » AEIdeas (http://www.aei.org/publication/yes-the-middle-class-has-been-disappearing-but-they-havent-fallen-into-the-lower-class-theyve-risen-into-the-upper-class/)

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Here you go tiger! It's kind of like pointing out something to a 4 yr-old!

"Bottom Line: In other words, America’s “middle class” did start largely disappearing in the 1970s, but it was because they were moving up to a higher-income category, not down into a lower-income category. And that movement was so significant that between 1967 and 2009, the share of American families earning incomes above $75,000 more than doubled, from 16.3% to 39.1%. On the previous CD post, Ken commented that although “Many prominent people like Paul Krugman claim that the middle class has been in decline since the 1970s, that assertion is incredibly and verifiably wrong.”


Yes, the middle class has been disappearing, but they haven't fallen into the lower class, they've risen into the upper class - AEI | Carpe Diem Blog » AEIdeas (http://www.aei.org/publication/yes-the-middle-class-has-been-disappearing-but-they-havent-fallen-into-the-lower-class-theyve-risen-into-the-upper-class/)

I can hardly wait to see how the counterpoint will twist this around to where it is not recognizeable.

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I can hardly wait to see how the counterpoint will twist this around to where it is not recognizeable.
One has to twist this. It is an outright lie! And incredibly stupid!

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The bought and paid for mentality of the greedy old tea partiers. I agree wholeheartedly with you. The "trickle down" economy,didnt work then and no matter how he spins it , it doesn't work now. Without a viable middle class they are doomed in the long run, but of course the other poster doesnt give a rats ass about the long term. More of the let them eat cake mentality. As the French said," Off with their heads!".

It's so nice to see you finally be able to express your inner totalitarian and tendency to use violence ... as you just intimated

You are now the TOTV poster boy for why the founders set up, among other things, restraints on mob rule.

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A morbid obsession about anything is not a good thing because it has the effect of distorting truths and producing myths. It would serve such individuals then to first acknowledge what is good about someone or something in order to place them in an objective frame of mind.

I am not a member of the Tea Party but I believe they have made progress in restoring people's belief in our grass roots beginnings. The importance of our constitution the separation of powers, our freedoms, taxation without representation, the positive effect religion has had on all of these freedoms taken root ( i e God giving rights to)

I am very concerned for people who discount such attributes. Compare the goings on in communist or socialist countries and you seen that God is replaced with government. People in this country who lead attacks against religion do so for a reason, because they recognize that a government run country cannot take root or survive if religion lives because as Jesus said "render to cesar what is cesar's and to God what is God's" Governments dominate because they make all decision for people and create a dependency on their "kindness"(ie someone can kill you with kindness).

Our welfare system is a prime example where generation after generation have relied on this dependence. I cannot think of a crueler thing to do to a human being .

So for those that show contempt for the Tea Party you may want to reassess your thinking unless of course you have gotten use to being on the dole.


Personal Best Regards:

I am now done with this thread newer acres need to be plowed

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It's so nice to see you finally be able to express your inner totalitarian and tendency to use violence ... as you just intimated

You are now the TOTV poster boy for why the founders set up, among other things, restraints on mob rule.

Are the mob. A card carrying member of the "gang of six"!

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Are the mob. A card carrying member of the "gang of six"!

I assume this is meanigful (or maybe not) to someone.

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Yea, right

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I assume this is meanigful (or maybe not) to someone.

No, it's just another quasi-coherent name calling episode from the verbally clueless Mr Spittle

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The Gang of 6 or The 6 Pack was on the original political forum and were just bullies.

If you did not agree with their right wing nut ideas, you were ganged up on and beat up. Fortunately, one has moved away, one does not post anymore, and the others are on here.

Makes not difference. They all know the Tea Party has no accomplishments except to further divide the republicans and to try and hide bigotry with flying flags on their golf carts.

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The Gang of 6 or The 6 Pack was on the original political forum and were just bullies.

If you did not agree with their right wing nut ideas, you were ganged up on and beat up. Fortunately, one has moved away, one does not post anymore, and the others are on here.

Makes not difference. They all know the Tea Party has no accomplishments except to further divide the republicans and to try and hide bigotry with flying flags on their golf carts.


And the gang of 6 never posted one thing that came true. All you have to do is read their post from 2012, with all their misleading links and polls to see that this is true. The moderator did them a big favor by shutting down the political forum when he did, so they didn't have to eat crow after the last election.

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... try and hide bigotry with flying flags on their golf carts.

Can we then assume that you find flying the American Flag offensive or perhaps insulting to certain groups (eg illegal aliens) and thus never fly the flag at all? You may remember it ... it's the one with a bunch of stars and 13 stripes.

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Can we then assume that you find flying the American Flag offensive or perhaps insulting to certain groups (eg illegal aliens) and thus never fly the flag at all? You may remember it ... it's the one with a bunch of stars and 13 stripes.

The flag the cowardly tea party hides behind. I flew mine with my democratic posters. Loved the reaction from the wingnuts. Even had a few shoot the middle finger at me, of course they were running away when they did it! The villages is the friendliest hometown as long as you are a wingnuts with a dog!

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The flag the cowardly tea party hides behind. I flew mine with my democratic posters. Loved the reaction from the wingnuts. Even had a few shoot the middle finger at me, of course they were running away when they did it! The villages is the friendliest hometown as long as you are a wingnuts with a dog!

You can't possibly be serious. The Tea Party stands for what this nation was founded upon. Your "current" perversion of what you think America "owes" you is simply a reflection of the fat, lazy, and entitled attitude of liberal people.

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the flag the cowardly tea party hides behind. I flew mine with my democratic posters. Loved the reaction from the wingnuts. Even had a few shoot the middle finger at me, of course they were running away when they did it! The villages is the friendliest hometown as long as you are a wingnuts with a dog!

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You can't possibly be serious. The Tea Party stands for what this nation was founded upon. Your "current" perversion of what you think America "owes" you is simply a reflection of the fat, lazy, and entitled attitude of liberal people.

Country was not founded on corporate corruption. In fact Jefferson and Adams warned us of corporate power. This country was founded on religious freedom. This country was founded knowing there was a need for fair taxes. This country was founded and further clarified through a civil war, that all men are created equal. None of these are traits of your corporate fed, morally corrupt, selfish, self centered, totally corrupt tea party corporate lackeys!

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country was not founded on corporate corruption. In fact jefferson and adams warned us of corporate power. This country was founded on religious freedom. This country was founded knowing there was a need for fair taxes. This country was founded and further clarified through a civil war, that all men are created equal. None of these are traits of your corporate fed, morally corrupt, selfish, self centered, totally corrupt tea party corporate lackeys!

dne!

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Other than needlessly shut downing the government, I'm hard pressed to find a single "constructive" accomplishment of the Tee Party.

Since that was the topic of this thread, I'm hoping someone can enlighten me.

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Other than needlessly shut downing the government, I'm hard pressed to find a single "constructive" accomplishment of the Tee Party.

Since that was the topic of this thread, I'm hoping someone can enlighten me.

That's easy ... 69 of 99 state chambers are now red, and both the House and Senate are as well.

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That's easy ... 69 of 99 state chambers are now red, and both the House and Senate are as well.

Those are not all held by Tea Party candidates, plus that is hardly an accomplishment. I was looking for something they actually achieved, as a group. I can seem to find anything using Google. Thought someone else might have better luck than me, tracking down something.

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That's easy ... 69 of 99 state chambers are now red, and both the House and Senate are as well.

As I recall, not one tea party candidate beat out a regular republican in the senate races in the 2014 election.

The 2016 election will have a much different electorate, one similar to the 2008 and 2012 electorate. And, only ten democratic senate seats are in play as opposed to 23 republican seats.

The senate seats that turned over in 2014 were mostly from deep red states, such as Arkansas, Alaska, North Dakota, states that Hillary Clinton won't need to win.

IMO: there's not one state that Barack Obama won that Hillary Clinton will not win, plus some, which will mean another landslide victory for democrats.

On the other hand, republicans must win Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida to win the election. Not going to happen.

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Those are not all held by Tea Party candidates, plus that is hardly an accomplishment. I was looking for something they actually achieved, as a group. I can seem to find anything using Google. Thought someone else might have better luck than me, tracking down something.

They've raised "awareness", like the disenfranchised and unemployed "occupy" hippies. As a conservative, I have no clue what the occupiers accomplished other than pooping all over public streets and parks, sexually assaulting each other, smoking a lot of dope and sitting and chanting about the unfairness of the universe.

As a liberal, I'm sure you're aware of how important these awareness campaigns are.

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As I recall, not one tea party candidate beat out a regular republican in the senate races in the 2014 election.

The 2016 election will have a much different electorate, one similar to the 2008 and 2012 electorate. And, only ten democratic senate seats are in play as opposed to 23 republican seats.

The senate seats that turned over in 2014 were mostly from deep red states, such as Arkansas, Alaska, North Dakota, states that Hillary Clinton won't need to win.

IMO: there's not one state that Barack Obama won that Hillary Clinton will not win, plus some, which will mean another landslide victory for democrats.

On the other hand, republicans must win Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida to win the election. Not going to happen.

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Obama: Gallup tracking (http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job1.htm)


Here's more good news for President Obama that will put you to sleep. The Gallup daily tracking poll shows him at 50% approve and 46% disapprove.

The 50% represents almost exactly how he won the presidency in 2012 with 50.6% of the vote.

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That's easy ... 69 of 99 state chambers are now red, and both the House and Senate are as well.

The tea party cost the republican party at least a half dozen senate seats in the last few cycles. Without such tea party whacko-birds as Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, Todd Akin, Richard Murdock, Joe Buck, republicans could have won all these races and held control of the senate since 2008.

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They've raised "awareness", like the disenfranchised and unemployed "occupy" hippies. As a conservative, I have no clue what the occupiers accomplished other than pooping all over public streets and parks, sexually assaulting each other, smoking a lot of dope and sitting and chanting about the unfairness of the universe.

As a liberal, I'm sure you're aware of how important these awareness campaigns are.

Not sure why you label me a liberal, when all I asked was a simple question.

So far, I haven't seen a single accomplishment of the Tea Party. I would like to know why that movement is relevant to anything positive.

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The tea party cost the republican party at least a half dozen senate seats in the last few cycles. Without such tea party whacko-birds as Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, Todd Akin, Richard Murdock, Joe Buck, republicans could have won all these races and held control of the senate since 2008.

Meant to say Ken Buck of Colorado, not Joe Buck the football announcer.

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I would like to know why that movement is relevant to anything positive.

Anything positive?

Um... reduce taxes, reduce the size of government, balance the budget, and eliminate the national debt.

Surely we can ALL agree on those major tenets of the Tea Party platform. And yes, though it was a bit tongue in cheek, I think they have been very successful in raising awareness and outrage at the burdensome level of taxation and reckless spending.

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Anything positive?

Um... reduce taxes, reduce the size of government, balance the budget, and eliminate the national debt.

Surely we can ALL agree on those major tenets of the Tea Party platform. And yes, though it was a bit tongue in cheek, I think they have been very successful in raising awareness and outrage at the burdensome level of taxation and reckless spending.

Tea Party Tax Experiment Forces Schools To Cut The Academic Year Short | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/04/03/3642787/kansas-schools-close-early-due-to-money-drought/)


Tea Party tax experiment in Kansas forces schools to close early due to budget constraints. Way to go, tea party, balance the budget on the backs of school children.

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Tea Party Tax Experiment Forces Schools To Cut The Academic Year Short | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/04/03/3642787/kansas-schools-close-early-due-to-money-drought/)


Tea Party tax experiment in Kansas forces schools to close early due to budget constraints. Way to go, tea party, balance the budget on the backs of school children.

Sounds GREAT to me! Time to tighten the belt and cut the waste. I wish the Tea Party had as much influence in Washington. We can hope!

If the Kansas legislature thought school funding needed to be cut, I trust them. I'm sure there's a lot of waste elsewhere in the budget too. Cut away and quit burdening the good citizens of Kansas with an outrageous jobs-killing level of taxation!

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Sounds GREAT to me! Time to tighten the belt and cut the waste. I wish the Tea Party had as much influence in Washington. We can hope!

If the Kansas legislature thought school funding needed to be cut, I trust them. I'm sure there's a lot of waste elsewhere in the budget too. Cut away and quit burdening the good citizens of Kansas with an outrageous jobs-killing level of taxation!

:BigApplause:

Liberals lessen their credibility because then never want to cut anything, and basically view the world as one golden goose ... they would get more support if they actually came across as serious stewards of taxpayer funds, vs always wanting to play Santa Claus

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Since are getting no accomplishments from the Team Party.

The Obama Administration has been so bad for the country, so I thought I would link his accomplishments.

A List of 289 Accomplishments by President Obama so far… With Citations | The PCTC Blog (http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/)

Enjoy the read

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Since are getting no accomplishments from the Team Party.

The Obama Administration has been so bad for the country, so I thought I would link his accomplishments.

A List of 289 Accomplishments by President Obama so far… With Citations | The PCTC Blog (http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/)

Enjoy the read

It is always good to have a list of "accomplishments.
I am sure this will ONLY be taken the wrong way, however there are two (or more) aspects to an accomplishment.

One, an accomplishment could be sufficient for some that something was sign, initiated, implented or changed. The act itself is viwed as an accomplishment. That is fine of and by itself.

Other considerations, and many of us are in this camp (matters not whether dem or republican or a what ever). What were the results? Success or failure as measured by what? I am sure here again I will be picking the wrong example, however here goes. It may have been an accomplishment to pull the troops out of Iraq. If that in and of itself was the goal regardless of consequence, then to some, it is indeed an accomplishment. For others any and all accomplishments should be tied to or measured in some way to consequences of an action (good or bad). Iraq as it turns out it was premature to completely withdraw allowing ISIS to evolve from junior varsity status to full blown terrorst threat with more capability and horror to any predecessor.

With that lengthy example, there are very many on the list provided that one would have to know more than just an initiating action to assess whether the intended benefit was ever realized. Or that there was an unintended result of precipitating ISIS terror advance across Iraq.

I for one expect one to know the results of their actions. A measuring of the results to KNOW if the action was successful or on track. Hence allowing corrective action as required to assure the goals and objectives are met.

While Obama is merely the most recent of politiicans who do not measure and follow up on what they say they are going to do or promise....he does do more of it than most.

I am not asking anyone to change how they view the list. I am just highlighting how some of us trained and experienced in the analysis, conclude, plan, measure and take corrctive action view such a list. Repeating; the concept of which is not politically, or racial, religiously or gender based.

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Since are getting no accomplishments from the Team Party.

The Obama Administration has been so bad for the country, so I thought I would link his accomplishments.

A List of 289 Accomplishments by President Obama so far… With Citations | The PCTC Blog (http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/)

Enjoy the read

So I click on your link and the FIRST thing listed is:

"Returned The Executive Branch To Fiscal Responsibility"


Are you living in reality land? I mean seriously? Obama has added $6 TRILLION in national debt on his way to $8+ TRILLION by end of office. What EXACTLY has the US gained from racking up all this debt and indenturing future generations with the burden to pay it back?

Under Obama, the executive branch is the most FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE administration in history!

No thanks on any more of your liberal fantasy reading. It's all LIES!
(but you already knew that when you posted it!)

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Sounds GREAT to me! Time to tighten the belt and cut the waste. I wish the Tea Party had as much influence in Washington. We can hope!

If the Kansas legislature thought school funding needed to be cut, I trust them. I'm sure there's a lot of waste elsewhere in the budget too. Cut away and quit burdening the good citizens of Kansas with an outrageous jobs-killing level of taxation!

:BigApplause:

Kansas is the poster child for the draconian effects of overaggressive tax cutting. The cutting of school funding was an unintended result of revenue loss, along with major cuts in funding of road maintenance and severe credit rating drops. Gov. brownback PROMISED during the recent election (that he won over dem. Paul Davis by a close margin despite being in the redest of red states) that he would not cut school spending. So much for relying on politicians campaign rhetoric, and besides, those kids don't need such a long school year anyway, since the US leads the world in educational results----------ahh opps! Trust the legislature - on what possible wisdom is that trust based? I am sure that they will find other places to cut like police and fire protection, but not their salaries or benefits. They are now considering a raise in tobacco taxes so that they can fund the necessary services primarily on the backs of the poor, while continuing to lower income taxes on the upper classes.

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Kansas is the poster child for the draconian effects of overaggressive tax cutting. The cutting of school funding was an unintended result of revenue loss, along with major cuts in funding of road maintenance and severe credit rating drops. Gov. brownback PROMISED during the recent election (that he won over dem. Paul Davis by a close margin despite being in the redest of red states) that he would not cut school spending. So much for relying on politicians campaign rhetoric, and besides, those kids don't need such a long school year anyway, since the US leads the world in educational results----------ahh opps! Trust the legislature - on what possible wisdom is that trust based? I am sure that they will find other places to cut like police and fire protection, but not their salaries or benefits. They are now considering a raise in tobacco taxes so that they can fund the necessary services primarily on the backs of the poor, while continuing to lower income taxes on the upper classes.

Your post gave me several good chuckles, and for that, I thank you. :wave:

It sounds to me like "Kansas is the poster child for the draconian effects of overaggressive tax SPENDING!

Please explain to me how "they are now considering a raise in tobacco taxes so that they can fund the necessary services primarily on the backs of the poor..." :confused:

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Your post gave me several good chuckles, and for that, I thank you. :wave:

It sounds to me like "Kansas is the poster child for the draconian effects of overaggressive tax SPENDING!

Please explain to me how "they are now considering a raise in tobacco taxes so that they can fund the necessary services primarily on the backs of the poor..." :confused:

You may want to consider a course in reading comprehension.

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You may want to consider a course in reading comprehension.

LAME answer. All these budget deficits exist because of out of control liberal SPENDING, not because the government CONFISCATES too little of its citizens' earnings!

Your tobacco argument was a hoot! Poor people buying more heavily taxed smokes is somehow "balancing the budget on the backs of the poor!" That was a walloper!

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And who is it that thinks for one minute the poor do not buy tobacco. It is very impressive that those who can least afford tobacco products do in fact smoke at the expense of other needs.

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LAME answer. All these budget deficits exist because of out of control liberal SPENDING, not because the government CONFISCATES too little of its citizens' earnings!

Your tobacco argument was a hoot! Poor people buying more heavily taxed smokes is somehow "balancing the budget on the backs of the poor!" That was a walloper!

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Actually you should have a grownup read these posts and explain them to you, then help you compose a rational and intelligent response. Your use of emoticons is cute though.

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And who is it that thinks for one minute the poor do not buy tobacco. It is very impressive that those who can least afford tobacco products do in fact smoke at the expense of other needs.

Goodness gracious my liberal friend. Now you want to control whether the poor can exercise free will and choose to purchase a legal product - tobacco?

They exercise free will and purchase a legal product. Is it wise - no! If they were wise, I'd argue they "probably" wouldn't be poor. We all make choices my little Karl Marx friend... we all make choices.

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Goodness gracious my liberal friend. Now you want to control whether the poor can exercise free will and choose to purchase a legal product - tobacco?

They exercise free will and purchase a legal product. Is it wise - no! If they were wise, I'd argue they "probably" wouldn't be poor. We all make choices my little Karl Marx friend... we all make choices.

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