To be or not to be-TV Antennas installed outside

[rjcataniajr]

This article was taken from the POA January Bulletin
Questions & Answers November's 2014 Forum.

>3) I had heard that there was a small group
of individuals who had received permission to
install external TV antennas on their homes in
order to receive ‘free’ television viewing.
Have you heard anything about this? A)

We are not aware of this situation which would
likely involve the resident’s deed restrictions,
but we will contact District Staff for a response.
District Staff responded that, "…
television antennas fall under the same guidelines
as the satellite antennas. The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached. I am 'assuming' the
question refers to the 'old' type antennas
which is 'free' television, but you are only receiving
your 'local' station…there certainly
would not be any HBO, ESPN, etc…. The installation
of an antenna does not require ARC
approval. Many residents call and ask where
the antenna can be installed. We give the suggested
guidelines and inform them that if they
want to attach it to the side of a home or roof
that they may want to check with the home
warranty department to make sure that it will
not violate the warranty on their home. But
yes…the 'old' type of television antennas may be installed."<

So,what do y'all think about the quote"The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached????

[graciegirl]

Welcome to the forum. What is your point?

Sometimes people move here not used to deed restrictions of any kind and they feel, well, restricted.. You will find that deed restrictions are your friend. They keep unusual and not so lovely things from springing up in neighborhood yards and protect the overall value of your property. I very much like the deed restrictions here and it is one of the reasons we chose to live here.

[villagetinker]

I have seen several articles, that state the HOA's, etc, can NOT stop a person from installing an outdoor antenna to receive over the air TV signals, feel free to Google this for yourself. If I can find it, I know I copied and saved one of the articles.

[Carl in Tampa]

There are lots of federal laws that preempt state and local laws and, as in this case, Home Owner's Association rules.

To simplify the issue, it is permitted to install an external antenna in order to receive over-the-air commercial television broadcasts. There are some restrictions and limitations on size for reception dishes, and other minor compromises on aesthetics.

The more cogent question is why would you want to do this? Since television signals are now digital and since The Villages is a considerable distance from over-the-air stations, the likelihood of success is low. Further, at most you might receive three major stations.

If you can't afford basic cable, listen to the radio and read the newspaper for news. Go to the town squares for entertainment. Read a good book. Visit with friends and neighbors.

This antenna thing is a non-issue.

[Carl in Tampa]

I have seen several articles, that state the HOA's, etc, can NOT stop a person from installing an outdoor antenna to receive over the air TV signals, feel free to Google this for yourself. If I can find it, I know I copied and saved one of the articles.

Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule | FCC.gov (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule)

[tuccillo]

An attic mounted antenna has a good chance of pulling in all of the Orlando stations. I am on the south side and I pull in 50 stations.

This article was taken from the POA January Bulletin
Questions & Answers November's 2014 Forum.

>3) I had heard that there was a small group
of individuals who had received permission to
install external TV antennas on their homes in
order to receive ‘free’ television viewing.
Have you heard anything about this? A)

We are not aware of this situation which would
likely involve the resident’s deed restrictions,
but we will contact District Staff for a response.
District Staff responded that, "…
television antennas fall under the same guidelines
as the satellite antennas. The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached. I am 'assuming' the
question refers to the 'old' type antennas
which is 'free' television, but you are only receiving
your 'local' station…there certainly
would not be any HBO, ESPN, etc…. The installation
of an antenna does not require ARC
approval. Many residents call and ask where
the antenna can be installed. We give the suggested
guidelines and inform them that if they
want to attach it to the side of a home or roof
that they may want to check with the home
warranty department to make sure that it will
not violate the warranty on their home. But
yes…the 'old' type of television antennas may be installed."<

So,what do y'all think about the quote"The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached????

[Villager Audio Video]

Yes the FCC says you can mount an OTA antenna outside of your home and no HOA can govern against that ruling.

I've installed over 100 antennas in The Villages with excellent results. You need a very large Ultra Long Range UHF antenna mounted up high if you want any success.

With that said I Will NOT mount an OTA antenna outside. I install them in the attic. I live in The Villages and I don't want to see them, I'm sure your neighbors don't want to seem them either. They are not attractive.

[Midvale]

Yes the FCC says you can mount an OTA antenna outside of your home and no HOA can govern against that ruling.

I've installed over 100 antennas in The Villages with excellent results. You need a very large Ultra Long Range UHF antenna mounted up high if you want any success.

With that said I Will NOT mount an OTA antenna outside. I install them in the attic. I live in The Villages and I don't want to see them, I'm sure your neighbors don't want to seem them either. They are not attractive.
How do you handle homes with no attics?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Before the advent of cable TV or satellite, does anyone remember seeing neighborhoods displayed in magazines, in the movies, on TV showing every homes with OTA antennas stuck up in the air? With all the beauty that we see when we enter The Villages, is that something you want to see? For me, it's a resounding "HELL NO". NO. OTA. TV. ANTENNAS.

[MrGolf]

You are receiving 50 stations with an antenna mounted in your attic area? That is great. I am assuming all major networks are included, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX etc. how is the reception. Don't know anything about this but would expect no HD? correct?

[tuccillo]

Yes, 50 stations in HiDef from an attic mounted antenna. We mostly watch the major stations (ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX). There are a bunch of religious and spanish channels also. Tom at TheVillagesAV.com installed it for us. I believe this is the model Tom installed:

https://www.antennasdirect.com/store/DB4e-extended-long-range-outdoor-dtv-antenna.html

We also stream a lot of stuff off the internet with Roku boxes.

Tom is the "go to guy" for anything audio and video.



You are receiving 50 stations with an antenna mounted in your attic area? That is great. I am assuming all major networks are included, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX etc. how is the reception. Don't know anything about this but would expect no HD? correct?

[MikeV]

Welcome to the forum. What is your point?

Sometimes people move here not used to deed restrictions of any kind and they feel, well, restricted.. You will find that deed restrictions are your friend. They keep unusual and not so lovely things from springing up in neighborhood yards and protect the overall value of your property. I very much like the deed restrictions here and it is one of the reasons we chose to live here.

Yes, that's what I was gonna say. :wave:

[samhass]

There are lots of federal laws that preempt state and local laws and, as in this case, Home Owner's Association rules.

To simplify the issue, it is permitted to install an external antenna in order to receive over-the-air commercial television broadcasts. There are some restrictions and limitations on size for reception dishes, and other minor compromises on aesthetics.

The more cogent question is why would you want to do this? Since television signals are now digital and since The Villages is a considerable distance from over-the-air stations, the likelihood of success is low. Further, at most you might receive three major stations.

If you can't afford basic cable, listen to the radio and read the newspaper for news. Go to the town squares for entertainment. Read a good book. Visit with friends and neighbors.

This antenna thing is a non-issue.

Wow. So if I can't afford basic cable, I should just forget about watching anything off air? Sorry, but your comment seemed harsh to the many folks that can't afford cable.

[Paper1]

Wow. So if I can't afford basic cable, I should just forget about watching anything off air? Sorry, but your comment seemed harsh to the many folks that can't afford cable.
This forum can be very harsh at times. You raise a very good question. The problem is we have too many people here that are willing to bend over and grab their ankles whenever the cable or satellite providers ask them to. Keep posting as you will get some good information.

[graciegirl]

This forum can be very harsh at times. You raise a very good question. The problem is we have too many people here that are willing to bend over and grab their ankles whenever the cable or satellite providers ask them to. Keep posting as you will get some good information.


Lovely analogy.

I would think that anyone who has read Carl in Tampa long enough would know that he is reasonable in his posts. Very few who live in The Villages go without enhanced TV. We can bring in all sorts of red herrings but it seems that the point the OP is trying to make is the federal guidelines trump the deed restrictions.

Most of us like the deed restrictions.

[mickey100]

This forum can be very harsh at times. You raise a very good question. The problem is we have too many people here that are willing to bend over and grab their ankles whenever the cable or satellite providers ask them to. Keep posting as you will get some good information.

Agree. Not everyone here has unlimited funds,and believe it or not, there are some retirees who are pinching their pennies. This information might be useful for them.

[graciegirl]

Wow. So if I can't afford basic cable, I should just forget about watching anything off air? Sorry, but your comment seemed harsh to the many folks that can't afford cable.

There are many choices and trade offs. Most people living in TV are able to have enhanced TV .The OP's point was that federal regulations trumped our local deed restrictions. Why he made the point I am not sure.

[villagetinker]

There were a few previous threads that indicated some good luck with an outdoor antenna. I never got around to trying as the websites that I looked at indicated the reception was marginal in my location (Pinellas). Most of the stations appear to be in the Orlando area, so I suspect the installers are aiming the antennas in that direction, however, I think there were some in other locations, which would require a rotor.

[Villager Audio Video]

You don't want a rotor. All the local station for this area are out of Orlando in a cluster. In Pinellas you're about 117-119 degrees. You don't want the channels to the north as Jacksonville weather won't help us down here.

[redwitch]

So, what would you recommend for those who live in manufactured homes? An antenna in the attic is not an option and I doubt anyone would want to have an antenna in their home. Wouldn't this leave the extended type for them?

[velcro]

I am very easily confused. With all this talk about attics & tall antennas with rotors I forgot, can you put up a dish outside or not?:loco:

[Villager Audio Video]

Ya, I guess that's all you can do. However if you plan on having Internet, you can sign up on a Comcast Internet only plan for $19.99 per month (for 12 months) and you won't need an antenna

Call me for details

[tuccillo]

Yes, you can have a sat disk - lots of folks around where I am have DirectTV and Dish Network - small sat dishes mounted either on their roof or a pole by the side of their house.

I am very easily confused. With all this talk about attics & tall antennas with rotors I forgot, can you put up a dish outside or not?:loco:

[Carla B]

We dumped cable TV over a year ago. It's not only a question of affordability, it's what you choose to spend money on. We'd flip through channels and find little of interest on Comcast TV. And all the while the rates were increasing.

When the TV bill approached the electric bill, that's when we cut out Comcast TV.

[Steve9930]

This article was taken from the POA January Bulletin
Questions & Answers November's 2014 Forum.

>3) I had heard that there was a small group
of individuals who had received permission to
install external TV antennas on their homes in
order to receive ‘free’ television viewing.
Have you heard anything about this? A)

We are not aware of this situation which would
likely involve the resident’s deed restrictions,
but we will contact District Staff for a response.
District Staff responded that, "…
television antennas fall under the same guidelines
as the satellite antennas. The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached. I am 'assuming' the
question refers to the 'old' type antennas
which is 'free' television, but you are only receiving
your 'local' station…there certainly
would not be any HBO, ESPN, etc…. The installation
of an antenna does not require ARC
approval. Many residents call and ask where
the antenna can be installed. We give the suggested
guidelines and inform them that if they
want to attach it to the side of a home or roof
that they may want to check with the home
warranty department to make sure that it will
not violate the warranty on their home. But
yes…the 'old' type of television antennas may be installed."<

So,what do y'all think about the quote"The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached????
The Federal Law does superceed any deed restrictions as long as the antenna is mounted on the roof of the house. These fights have already been adjudicated to the highest court in the land. This also includes Amateurs Radio Equipment. Now that being said that does not mean you will not have to go to court to fight it. Anybody with a way to the court house and $75 can start the proceedings. Who has more resources you or the POA. I have installed TV antennas in my attic and I can get all the networks.

[graciegirl]

Is someone looking for grounds for a class action suit?

[Vladimir]

Yipes! I sure would not like to see roof top antennas here - in NYC it fits but not here. In TV I have also seen short wave radio poles/antennas mounted in the front yard and wires running back to the house and it sure looks bad but evidently it is allowed even though the signals were knocking out neighborhood circuit breakers. I like deed restrictions and developer control and it is not a secret that there are restrictions when one buys here.

[Steve9930]

While the neighbors may not like the fact you installed an outdoor TV antenna they will not have any other recourse but to live with it and to ban you from the neighborhood parties. But here is something to remember, we live in a huricain zone. If you decide to take this route please have it professionally installed taking into account the fact that the big wind will be here someday. Never know they may dislike the fact that you are putting up an antenna so bad they just might pay for your cable or satellite dish.. ��

[NavyNJ]

Well....I think it might be time to get to Radio Shak before they close all their stores and pick up some coils, transisters and a capacitor or two.....and maybe a voltage magnifier, and build a little radio signal jammer in case any of these things pop up near us! lol

[Steve9930]

Well....I think it might be time to get to Radio Shak before they close all their stores and pick up some coils, transisters and a capacitor or two.....and maybe a voltage magnifier, and build a little radio signal jammer in case any of these things pop up near us! lol

I hope you enjoy institutional food.

[graciegirl]

While the neighbors may not like the fact you installed an outdoor TV antenna they will not have any other recourse but to live with it and to ban you from the neighborhood parties. But here is something to remember, we live in a huricain zone. If you decide to take this route please have it professionally installed taking into account the fact that the big wind will be here someday. Never know they may dislike the fact that you are putting up an antenna so bad they just might pay for your cable or satellite dish.. ��


What do they do in Stonecrest, Steve?

[looneycat]

There are lots of federal laws that preempt state and local laws and, as in this case, Home Owner's Association rules.

To simplify the issue, it is permitted to install an external antenna in order to receive over-the-air commercial television broadcasts. There are some restrictions and limitations on size for reception dishes, and other minor compromises on aesthetics.

The more cogent question is why would you want to do this? Since television signals are now digital and since The Villages is a considerable distance from over-the-air stations, the likelihood of success is low. Further, at most you might receive three major stations.

If you can't afford basic cable, listen to the radio and read the newspaper for news. Go to the town squares for entertainment. Read a good book. Visit with friends and neighbors.

This antenna thing is a non-issue.

since the HOA has no teeth and makes no rules here how is it a HOA issue?

[graciegirl]

since the HOA has no teeth and makes no rules here how is it a HOA issue?


I am guessing he MEANT Deed Restrictions. AND we will never hear from the OP again. One post and nada.

[Steve9930]

What do they do in Stonecrest, Steve?

There are a few houses that have TV antennas. A couple that actually have a tower in the back yard.

Today there are some high tech TV antennas that are not much larger then a satellite dish. I personally have not tryed one of these but I have talked with some people that have and they indicated they work very well.

Here are few things people may not know. Your cable company gets charged by the TV station for putting that free signal on the cable.

Cable companies are now allowed to scramble all their signals on the cable. In the near future just hooking up your TV to the cable will be a thing of the past. You will need a cable box even for the most basic cable services. Which means more revenue for the cable companies.

If you decide to use an antenna to receive tv, channel 2 is on the VHF band not the UHF band. You will also know when there is bad weather in the Orlando and Daytona areas because you will get lots of pixalation on the screen. Digital although gives you a nice picture has its draw backs. Just like any good idea there is also a negative side.

I have my antennas in my attic. I get NBC, CBS, and FOX shooting to the South East. I pick up ABC shooting towards Ocala. Its amazing as sometimes Tampa actually comes in quite strong.

There are also lots of new independed channels that ride the digital signals from these main networks. Since the signal can have many subchannels like 2.1, 2.2, 2.3...etc etc. There are old movie channels and lots of new stuff. Some you see on the cable some you do not.

It is very interesting what is out there to watch, for free!

[dewilson58]

There are a few houses that have TV antennas. A couple that actually have a tower in the back yard.

Today there are some high tech TV antennas that are not much larger then a satellite dish. I personally have not tryed one of these but I have talked with some people that have and they indicated they work very well.

Here are few things people may not know. Your cable company gets charged by the TV station for putting that free signal on the cable.

Cable companies are now allowed to scramble all their signals on the cable. In the near future just hooking up your TV to the cable will be a thing of the past. You will need a cable box even for the most basic cable services. Which means more revenue for the cable companies.

If you decide to use an antenna to receive tv, channel 2 is on the VHF band not the UHF band. You will also know when there is bad weather in the Orlando and Daytona areas because you will get lots of pixalation on the screen. Digital although gives you a nice picture has its draw backs. Just like any good idea there is also a negative side.

I have my antennas in my attic. I get NBC, CBS, and FOX shooting to the South East. I pick up ABC shooting towards Ocala. Its amazing as sometimes Tampa actually comes in quite strong.

There are also lots of new independed channels that ride the digital signals from these main networks. Since the signal can have many subchannels like 2.1, 2.2, 2.3...etc etc. There are old movie channels and lots of new stuff. Some you see on the cable some you do not.

It is very interesting what is out there to watch, for free!

I spent $110 on an antenna from Best Buy. It's also aimed Southeast. I do like the sub-channels as well............good old time movies. Coverage is not perfect, but I enjoy. (have not tried aiming towards Ocala.

[Steve9930]

I spent $110 on an antenna from Best Buy. It's also aimed Southeast. I do like the sub-channels as well............good old time movies. Coverage is not perfect, but I enjoy. (have not tried aiming towards Ocala.

The antenna I would like to try is an amplified antenna with a built in rotor. I believe it would fit in my attic. This the antenna I had spoken to an individual that had used one. They were very pleased with their performance. Its size is such that it is not any more intrusive looking then a satellite dish so I would not have a problem with mounting it outdoors. Prices range from $59 to $89 for the same antenna depending where you purchase it on the internet. I do a lot of business with solid signal.com.

[Bavarian]

As I had read it, the FCC rule was for Receive only satellite dishes only. It was put out when DirecTv, Dish, Primestar came out in mid '90's. And there was a caveat that the HOA could restrict where they could be put. Nice hear, small dish one LNB and on a post. Old House, 7 LNB and dish on top of high roof, to clear the woods.

[NavyNJ]

I hope you enjoy institutional food.

I hear you Steve.....but I gotta think if they cant nail someone who cleared out a wholestand of protected trees, the chances ofhaving the capability to trackdown a low-power,mobile, hand-held jammer would be pretty darn slim! lol On a serious note, there are enough low or modest cost indoor antenna solutions out there that outdoor antennas becoming a prolific aesthetic issue shouldn't be a huge problem.

[Villager Audio Video]

Indoor antennas may have problems @ the 65 mile range to SE Orlando

[Steve9930]

I hear you Steve.....but I gotta think if they cant nail someone who cleared out a wholestand of protected trees, the chances ofhaving the capability to trackdown a low-power,mobile, hand-held jammer would be pretty darn slim! lol On a serious note, there are enough low or modest cost indoor antenna solutions out there that outdoor antennas becoming a prolific aesthetic issue shouldn't be a huge problem.

I like the way you think. Makes me believe this country still has a chance......☺

[Steve9930]

I need to correct something I indicated earlier. Amateur Radio Antennas are not protected devices. They can be restricted by the deed restrictions. Also the original legislation that covered receive only antennas was written for small satellite dishes. However in 2001 the legislation was revised to include OTAs (Over the Air) antennas for TV reception. Just like to keep the facts straight.

[dewilson58]

I need to correct something I indicated earlier. Amateur Radio Antennas are not protected devices. They can be restricted by the deed restrictions. Also the original legislation that covered receive only antennas was written for small satellite dishes. However in 2001 the legislation was revised to include OTAs (Over the Air) antennas for TV reception. Just like to keep the facts straight.

Thanks for clarifying, but facts rarely show up on TofTV. :jester:

[NavyNJ]

I need to correct something I indicated earlier. Amateur Radio Antennas are not protected devices. They can be restricted by the deed restrictions. Also the original legislation that covered receive only antennas was written for small satellite dishes. However in 2001 the legislation was revised to include OTAs (Over the Air) antennas for TV reception. Just like to keep the facts straight.

Steve: Something you might be able to clear up. Do networks still brodcast both SD and HD signals OTA? I thought there was a date where only HD would go OTA. And, in addition to an HDTV, don't you also need an HD "Receiver" to actually watch the HD broadcast coming via OTA antenna? A device that plays the role of a cable set top box? I always thought you needed more than just an HD OTA antenna to make this work. Thks.....:)

[SoccerCoach]

Place one in the attic. You'll get what comes out of Orlando, on sub channels, ie 6.1,9.1, 35.1 etc. Lots of Spanish stations too. Basic networks.

[LndLocked]

Place one in the attic. You'll get what comes out of Orlando, on sub channels, ie 6.1,9.1, 35.1 etc. Lots of Spanish stations too. Basic networks.

As has been pointed out several times ..... not all homes in TV have an attic ... or in the case of PV's very small, low ones over the garage.

[Steve9930]

[QUOTE=NavyNJ;1035847]Steve: Something you might be able to clear up. Do networks still brodcast both SD and HD signals OTA? I thought there was a date where only HD would go OTA. And, in addition to an HDTV, don't you also need an HD "Receiver" to actually watch the HD broadcast coming via OTA antenna? A device that plays the role of a cable set top box? I always thought you needed more than just an HD OTA antenna to make this work. Thks.....:)[/QUOTE

There are both SD and HD signals out there. Some of the stations will have SD on one channel like 2.1 and then HD on 2.2. You need a digital tuner to receive anything. All current TVs have a digital tuner. I'm not sure of the date when SD goes away. Those old TV antennas work just fine today as they did when they were used for the old analog transmissions. I always get a laugh when I see the antennas advertised as digital antennas. To recieve HD OTA you need an HD TV with a digital tuner and a good TV Antenna. All the TVs are ready to go, just add an antenna. Now if you have an older TV which is analog or HD ready then you need an outboard Digital Tuner. The Orlando stations are to the South East at about 115 degrees. WESH 2 is on VHF channel 11 and the transmitter is in Daytona. The others are all on the UHF channels. I have seen the following resolutions 480, 720, 1080. Just about everyone is transmitting HD today. I have an outboard digital tuner that is also a DVR. I hope I have not confused the subject. Its amazing what's out there. I've seen stations that have up to 8 subchannels. It always seems that the Spanish and religious channels come in the best. OTA is the only place where you can get true HD reception. Satellite Vendors and Cable compress the signal. You loose a little resolution when you compress those signals to save bandwith.

[Steve9930]

As has been pointed out several times ..... not all homes in TV have an attic ... or in the case of PV's very small, low ones over the garage.

You can mount an Antenna outside in that case. You should still go through the procedure required by your HOA. Also give them the info in the request about the federal statues that superceed their Deed restrictions. You should have no problem with the HOA. Also they make an amplified antenna with an integral rotor that works well. It is no larger the a satellite dish.

[Steve9930]

I did not find any information that gives a date for the termination of broadcasting a SD TV signal in the good old USA. There was some information about the Swiss terminating SD broadcast of satellite signals.

[rjcataniajr]

I can see my article needs some clarification. Firstly, I wasn't aware that one needs to make a POINT is a requirement on this web site. Just sharing information and good old conversation are welcomed in a social network. And this is a social network. Secondly, there are many conversations about what is allowed in The Villages and what isn't. And this is one of those topics. I for one,am "Cutting The Cord" as of this weekend. No, I am not going to install the antenna outside. I just like to know that I have options in this type of environment. And yes,I was aware of all the deed restrictions before I moved here in 2004. In closing, thank you for your welcoming me to the forum. I have been on this forum since its inception but had to re-sign with new ownership for some technical reason.
Have a great day.
Will let everyone know how my new Cord Cutting Adventure goes as soon as I am up and running!

[looneycat]

There are lots of federal laws that preempt state and local laws and, as in this case, Home Owner's Association rules.

To simplify the issue, it is permitted to install an external antenna in order to receive over-the-air commercial television broadcasts. There are some restrictions and limitations on size for reception dishes, and other minor compromises on aesthetics.

The more cogent question is why would you want to do this? Since television signals are now digital and since The Villages is a considerable distance from over-the-air stations, the likelihood of success is low. Further, at most you might receive three major stations.

If you can't afford basic cable, listen to the radio and read the newspaper for news. Go to the town squares for entertainment. Read a good book. Visit with friends and neighbors.

This antenna thing is a non-issue.

actually over-the-air antennas these days are used more for digital broadcasts.
I personally hate the look of antennas (plus the lightening risk, even when grounded) and would opt for an attic installation, but before going in that direction I would use the hundreds of channels available on the internet.

[looneycat]

You can mount an Antenna outside in that case. You should still go through the procedure required by your HOA. Also give them the info in the request about the federal statues that superceed their Deed restrictions. You should have no problem with the HOA. Also they make an amplified antenna with an integral rotor that works well. It is no larger the a satellite dish.

HOA? they have no power here...it's not the membership optional HOA that runs ANYTHING here.

[Chellybean]

Folks if you have Comcast for your internet but no TV service the free to air channels are on the cable and Comcast can't charge for them due to they are free to air broadcast.
so use your TV scanner (obviously it has to be a Newer Digital TV tuner) and all the channels will be there.
Anything over 45 to 50 miles will not come in very well unless you have a huge antenna on the roof, a small omni directional antenna works fine and has a 50 mile range.
I live on Pinnellas and bunea vista and i got the channels from Orlando which is approximately 114 azimuth if i recall.
Good luck folks.
P.S. federal law preempts any state or HOA restriction and free to air is covered under it and the powers to be have NO JURISDICTIONS no matter what someone tells you.
I have been into the business 40 years and HOA try bullying people and have no authority to do so.
I welcome the HOA Police to tell me that i can't have a FTA antenna, let the lawsuits begin, Class action lawsuits usually puts a bully to rest.
Have a good day

[Steve9930]

HOA? they have no power here...it's not the membership optional HOA that runs ANYTHING here.

In all the articles that treat this antenna business they suggest that if you have deed restrictions and a process for getting things done on your property that you use that process. With the proper documentation submitted you will not be denied your request and it keeps all those involved informed and happy. Then you can also choose to go about it the bone headed way also if you like conflict in your life. Just go ahead and put an antenna up and get the neighbors angry, never get invited to another party, and be isolated in your neighborhood. Some people believe these deed restrictions are just mere suggestions.

[Steve9930]

Folks if you have Comcast for your internet but no TV service the free to air channels are on the cable and Comcast can't charge for them due to they are free to air broadcast.
so use your TV scanner (obviously it has to be a Newer Digital TV tuner) and all the channels will be there.
Anything over 45 to 50 miles will not come in very well unless you have a huge antenna on the roof, a small omni directional antenna works fine and has a 50 mile range.
I live on Pinnellas and bunea vista and i got the channels from Orlando which is approximately 114 azimuth if i recall.
Good luck folks.
P.S. federal law preempts any state or HOA restriction and free to air is covered under it and the powers to be have NO JURISDICTIONS no matter what someone tells you.
I have been into the business 40 years and HOA try bullying people and have no authority to do so.
I welcome the HOA Police to tell me that i can't have a FTA antenna, let the lawsuits begin, Class action lawsuits usually puts a bully to rest.
Have a good day

I have antennas in my attic and get all the major networks and more Spanish and religious channels then I can watch.

[jbdlfan]

I can see my article needs some clarification. Firstly, I wasn't aware that one needs to make a POINT is a requirement on this web site. Just sharing information and good old conversation are welcomed in a social network. And this is a social network. Secondly, there are many conversations about what is allowed in The Villages and what isn't. And this is one of those topics. I for one,am "Cutting The Cord" as of this weekend. No, I am not going to install the antenna outside. I just like to know that I have options in this type of environment. And yes,I was aware of all the deed restrictions before I moved here in 2004. In closing, thank you for your welcoming me to the forum. I have been on this forum since its inception but had to re-sign with new ownership for some technical reason.
Have a great day.
Will let everyone know how my new Cord Cutting Adventure goes as soon as I am up and running!
Hey, that's alright, I'm sure an apology will be coming soon.......
By the way, please keep us posted because I have wanted to do this for two years but haven't had the nerve yet.
Thanks for starting the conversation.:coolsmiley:

[Bogie Shooter]

An attic mounted antenna has a good chance of pulling in all of the Orlando stations. I am on the south side and I pull in 50 stations.

There are 50 stations in Orlando?

[jbdlfan]

There are 50 stations in Orlando?

More than that if you count the metro area: Stations for Orlando, Florida (http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=print_market&mktid=26)

[Bogie Shooter]

You can mount an Antenna outside in that case. You should still go through the procedure required by your HOA. Also give them the info in the request about the federal statues that superceed their Deed restrictions. You should have no problem with the HOA. Also they make an amplified antenna with an integral rotor that works well. It is no larger the a satellite dish.

I assume your advice is for someone living in TV, right? If so, why do you continue to reference HOA as the authority. Does not apply to TV.........maybe Stonecrest?

[graciegirl]

I can see my article needs some clarification. Firstly, I wasn't aware that one needs to make a POINT is a requirement on this web site. Just sharing information and good old conversation are welcomed in a social network. And this is a social network. Secondly, there are many conversations about what is allowed in The Villages and what isn't. And this is one of those topics. I for one,am "Cutting The Cord" as of this weekend. No, I am not going to install the antenna outside. I just like to know that I have options in this type of environment. And yes,I was aware of all the deed restrictions before I moved here in 2004. In closing, thank you for your welcoming me to the forum. I have been on this forum since its inception but had to re-sign with new ownership for some technical reason.
Have a great day.
Will let everyone know how my new Cord Cutting Adventure goes as soon as I am up and running!


Still cannot perceive just what you are trying to say. Do you want to put an old fashioned antennae up? It appears you are allowed to. Are you having a baby? Good luck on whatever cord cutting that you are doing. I am confused as to what you are not happy about.

[Midvale]

For what it's worth I bought a refurbished Mohu Ultimate amplified indoor antenna from Amazon and I can pick up 5-12 channels depending on the time of day. I stuck in my back window with suction cup hooks.

I don't watch much more than the news or a little MeTV on live tv...

[Steve9930]

I assume your advice is for someone living in TV, right? If so, why do you continue to reference HOA as the authority. Does not apply to TV.........maybe Stonecrest?

HOA, POA what ever you call it is of no importance. There is a group that regulates what you can and cannot do with your property based on deed restrictions. Under Federal Regulation you can install a TV Antenna to receive OTA transmissions even if your deed restricted community says otherwise. Now the articles that deal with this suggest that you follow what rules that are in place for your community where you live before trying to install an OTA Antenna. HOA is a generic term used to describe these types of organizations. Where I live is not the subject of this discussion.

[Steve9930]

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[Chellybean]

In all the articles that treat this antenna business they suggest that if you have deed restrictions and a process for getting things done on your property that you use that process. With the proper documentation submitted you will not be denied your request and it keeps all those involved informed and happy. Then you can also choose to go about it the bone headed way also if you like conflict in your life. Just go ahead and put an antenna up and get the neighbors angry, never get invited to another party, and be isolated in your neighborhood. Some people believe these deed restrictions are just mere suggestions.

sorry i like to argue and furthermore i don't like folks with no authority to try to tell me what i can and can't do.
Our government does enough of that.
remember we live in a free world and i resent someone telling me what i can and can't do with my property as long as i am within the LAW!

[Steve9930]

sorry i like to argue and furthermore i don't like folks with no authority to try to tell me what i can and can't do.
Our government does enough of that.
remember we live in a free world and i resent someone telling me what i can and can't do with my property as long as i am within the LAW!

Well I'm kind of like you. I'm not big on regulations either. But the fact of the matter is if it were not for big lobby money that went to Washington concerning the small satellite industry the HOA, POA, or what ever you call them would have the right to say yes or no on the outdoor TV antenna based on what is in the covenants of the community. What many people don't realize is when you buy into one of these communities you actually enter into a binding contact. You actually give away some of your rights concerning your own property for a contractual agreement where the ruling group of people will maintain the esthetic quality of the neighborhood so as to protect everyone's investment. In 99% of the cases those people are reasonable. Then there is that 1% that can be a major nightmare to the home owner. Luckily in this area whether it be the Villages, Stonecrest, or DellWeb things are reasonablely managed.

[tuccillo]

Yes, the last time I ran a channel scan on my TV it found 50 channels. There are only a handful that are of interest to me; ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, METV, GRIT, and a few others. There are many religious and Spanish channels.


There are 50 stations in Orlando?

[dewilson58]

Yes, the last time I ran a channel scan on my TV it found 50 channels. There only a handful that are of interest to me; ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, METV, GRIT, and a few others. There are many religious and Spanish channels.

Same scan here. Enjoying Grit.

[john2]

A member of the ARC on the historic side has antenna outside his home so I guess your allowed to have them.

[Steve9930]

A member of the ARC on the historic side has antenna outside his home so I guess your allowed to have them.

Should have told us all this earlier and would have saved much typing. It sort of says it all......:popcorn:

[rjcataniajr]

GracieGirl-I am truly sorry you are having a difficult time understanding my post. Had you read my post, I clearly state"I would not put an antenna outside my house" No,I am am not having a baby,which I suppose this is your attempt at having something humorous to say. There is this thing on the internet called "GOOGLE" put in CORD CUTTING and you will find out the definitions. Since my article pertained to TV antennas, you just might see the similarities. Maybe not. Again, I have no idea what makes you think I am unhappy maybe you could point out specifically where you thought you saw it.
Have a most wonderful day,
Russ

[graciegirl]

GracieGirl-I am truly sorry you are having a difficult time understanding my post. Had you read my post, I clearly state"I would not put an antenna outside my house" No,I am am not having a baby,which I suppose this is your attempt at having something humorous to say. There is this thing on the internet called "GOOGLE" put in CORD CUTTING and you will find out the definitions. Since my article pertained to TV antennas, you just might see the similarities. Maybe not. Again, I have no idea what makes you think I am unhappy maybe you could point out specifically where you thought you saw it.
Have a most wonderful day,
Russ

Back atcha, Russ.

[JoMar]

sorry i like to argue and furthermore i don't like folks with no authority to try to tell me what i can and can't do.
Our government does enough of that.
remember we live in a free world and i resent someone telling me what i can and can't do with my property as long as i am within the LAW!

And of course the deed restrictions are the law, and if you live here you signed them and accepted them. If you don't live here then you are excused for not knowing what is within the law here.

[Miles42]

Seems like the bottom line is this like it or not if some one wants an outdoor TV antenna they can have it installed HOA or not.

[Chellybean]

And of course the deed restrictions are the law, and if you live here you signed them and accepted them. If you don't live here then you are excused for not knowing what is within the law here.

OMG the deed restriction is not Law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also they are preempted by federal and State Law!
a association can not make law only legislation can.

[graciegirl]

OMG the deed restriction is not Law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also they are preempted by federal and State Law!
a association can not make law only legislation can.


Alright then, they are part of the contractual agreement that you signed recognized by law. How's that?

AND if you want to have an outside antennae you can according to federal law...AND "cutting the cord" apparently means no longer buying service from an internet or cable provider...right, OP? Still don't know why OP didn't say that and can't figure out the purpose of the original post...Why present all that stuff from the POA?

[Steve9930]

Just incase no one noticed, but the horse died long ago........

[joldnol]

actually cutting the cord usually means one maintains a high speed internet connection.

[looneycat]

sorry i like to argue and furthermore i don't like folks with no authority to try to tell me what i can and can't do.
Our government does enough of that.
remember we live in a free world and i resent someone telling me what i can and can't do with my property as long as i am within the LAW!

A Deed Restriction is a contract and subject to the law of contracts
Deed Restrictions, also known as restrictive covenants, in property deeds are treated as if they were a contract between the buyer, the seller, and whomever else the covenant may concern. As a result, they are subject to the same sorts of rules governing contracts. Therefore, any person entitled to benefit under a restrictive covenant is entitled to sue to enforce it.

[tuccillo]

Well stated. I have lived in a deed restricted community before. The consequences of violating the covenants were a warning letter, fines, liens, and eventual court action. I saw it happen a number of times. In my opinion, the upside of deed restrictions is much greater than the downside but they are not for everyone.

Well I'm kind of like you. I'm not big on regulations either. But the fact of the matter is if it were not for big lobby money that went to Washington concerning the small satellite industry the HOA, POA, or what ever you call them would have the right to say yes or no on the outdoor TV antenna based on what is in the covenants of the community. What many people don't realize is when you buy into one of these communities you actually enter into a binding contact. You actually give away some of your rights concerning your own property for a contractual agreement where the ruling group of people will maintain the esthetic quality of the neighborhood so as to protect everyone's investment. In 99% of the cases those people are reasonable. Then there is that 1% that can be a major nightmare to the home owner. Luckily in this area whether it be the Villages, Stonecrest, or DellWeb things are reasonablely managed.

[JoMar]

OMG the deed restriction is not Law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also they are preempted by federal and State Law!
a association can not make law only legislation can.

Ok....except this developer and District can take you to court to the extent of having you removed from TV, which they have done. So the deed restrictions enjoy the force of law. Of course if you want to test them, please do.

[Chellybean]

Ok....except this developer and District can take you to court to the extent of having you removed from TV, which they have done. So the deed restrictions enjoy the force of law. Of course if you want to test them, please do.

again you people are missing the point, federal and state law preempts any restriction you sign and become unlawful and non enforceable.
So if they try to enforce a restriction that is preempted by federal and state law they can be sued for damages for trying to circumventing state and federal law.
What i like about the powers to be they have deep pockets to hire lawyers but also have deep pockets to pay out on class action lawsuits.
have a nice day folks and stop being intimidated by unlawful contracts.

[Chellybean]

Ok....except this developer and District can take you to court to the extent of having you removed from TV, which they have done. So the deed restrictions enjoy the force of law. Of course if you want to test them, please do.

p.s. OMG they can not have you removed from the TV for a deed restriction, where in GODS name do you get your information.
PLEASE let them try that with me i welcome it, i would end up owning a good chunk of the Villages.
Have a good day and have a beer on me.

[Chellybean]

A Deed Restriction is a contract and subject to the law of contracts
Deed Restrictions, also known as restrictive covenants, in property deeds are treated as if they were a contract between the buyer, the seller, and whomever else the covenant may concern. As a result, they are subject to the same sorts of rules governing contracts. Therefore, any person entitled to benefit under a restrictive covenant is entitled to sue to enforce it.

as long as federal and state laws do not preempt it, that is the point you are missing!

[JoMar]

p.s. OMG they can not have you removed from the TV for a deed restriction, where in GODS name do you get your information.
PLEASE let them try that with me i welcome it, i would end up owning a good chunk of the Villages.
Have a good day and have a beer on me.

Keep thinking that way......:). The information came from Community Standards during a presentation on the steps taken by them when someone try's to break their contract. But, go get'em if that's what you want to do.

[Chellybean]

Keep thinking that way......:). The information came from Community Standards during a presentation on the steps taken by them when someone try's to break their contract. But, go get'em if that's what you want to do.

omg!!!!!!!!!! go ahead and be intimidated .
Of course that is what the community standards wants you to believe.
That is the same thing the government wants people to be is sheeple.

[graciegirl]

omg!!!!!!!!!! go ahead and be intimidated .
Of course that is what the community standards wants you to believe.
That is the same thing the government wants people to be is sheeple.


Deed restrictions are good. They keep property values high. If you break them you will be fined. If you don't pay it, further action will be leveled.

We have deliberately chosen areas WITH deed restrictions for many years as it protects our investment. I am surprised they are new to you.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/question-re-cc-rs-attitudes-mostly-vent-46492/

[Chellybean]

Deed restrictions are good. They keep property values high. If you break them you will be fined. If you don't pay it, further action will be leveled.

We have deliberately chosen areas WITH deed restrictions for many years as it protects our investment. I am surprised they are new to you.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/question-re-cc-rs-attitudes-mostly-vent-46492/

Gracegirl they are not new to me and why in gods name is everyone missing the point.
i never said the deed restrictions where bad or good!
I simple said that some of the deed restrictions are not lawful and federal and state law preempts any deed restriction.
Let me give you folks a definition of PREEMPT

preemption. n. the rule of law that if the federal government through Congress has enacted legislation on a subject matter it shall be controlling over state laws and/or preclude the state from enacting laws on the same subject if Congress has specifically stated it has "occupied the field."

This is also applies to local governed deed restrictions of a certain development.
Another words no matter what the deed restriction says state and federal law overrules it and makes the deed restriction unlawful and unenforceable, period.
This is all i am saying and no matter what you are being told about antennas, the deed restriction can not be enforced due to federal and state law allowing them.
I hope this clarifies this for some of you, it seem that some folks came here to have there life's controlled beyond the legal limits of the law and accept what the powers to be tell you without standing up for yourselves.

[TwinTurboViper]

Thanks for the suggestion as I have been looking for someone to install an antenna and will try "Solid Signal.com" :beer3:

=======================

The antenna I would like to try is an amplified antenna with a built in rotor. I believe it would fit in my attic. This the antenna I had spoken to an individual that had used one. They were very pleased with their performance. Its size is such that it is not any more intrusive looking then a satellite dish so I would not have a problem with mounting it outdoors. Prices range from $59 to $89 for the same antenna depending where you purchase it on the internet. I do a lot of business with solid signal.com.

[TwinTurboViper]

:BigApplause:

Gracegirl they are not new to me and why in gods name is everyone missing the point.
i never said the deed restrictions where bad or good!
I simple said that some of the deed restrictions are not lawful and federal and state law preempts any deed restriction.
Let me give you folks a definition of PREEMPT

preemption. n. the rule of law that if the federal government through Congress has enacted legislation on a subject matter it shall be controlling over state laws and/or preclude the state from enacting laws on the same subject if Congress has specifically stated it has "occupied the field."

This is also applies to local governed deed restrictions of a certain development.
Another words no matter what the deed restriction says state and federal law overrules it and makes the deed restriction unlawful and unenforceable, period.
This is all i am saying and no matter what you are being told about antennas, the deed restriction can not be enforced due to federal and state law allowing them.
I hope this clarifies this for some of you, it seem that some folks came here to have there life's controlled beyond the legal limits of the law and accept what the powers to be tell you without standing up for yourselves.

[dbussone]

:BigApplause:


We previously had a condo on St Pete Beach. Although the high rise had cable a couple of owners wanted a small dish to put on their balconies. The condo board told them they could not have a dish. One of the individuals was an attorney. He filed a complaint with the FCC. The FCC sent a letter to the condo board telling them to cease and desist. Guess who won that battle? I'll give you a hint - it starts with a big G.

[tuccillo]

I don't think anyone is debating this point. I also don't think anyone is debating whether you can install a sat dish or antenna - you can. I think people are talking past each other.

Gracegirl they are not new to me and why in gods name is everyone missing the point.
i never said the deed restrictions where bad or good!
I simple said that some of the deed restrictions are not lawful and federal and state law preempts any deed restriction.
Let me give you folks a definition of PREEMPT

preemption. n. the rule of law that if the federal government through Congress has enacted legislation on a subject matter it shall be controlling over state laws and/or preclude the state from enacting laws on the same subject if Congress has specifically stated it has "occupied the field."

This is also applies to local governed deed restrictions of a certain development.
Another words no matter what the deed restriction says state and federal law overrules it and makes the deed restriction unlawful and unenforceable, period.
This is all i am saying and no matter what you are being told about antennas, the deed restriction can not be enforced due to federal and state law allowing them.
I hope this clarifies this for some of you, it seem that some folks came here to have there life's controlled beyond the legal limits of the law and accept what the powers to be tell you without standing up for yourselves.

[Chellybean]

I don't think anyone is debating this point. I also don't think anyone is debating whether you can install a sat dish or antenna - you can. I think people are talking past each other.

maybe your right, but we all paid dearly to live here at a inflated price and i clearly understand the deed restrictions especially as a builder from the north.
It seems people think that unlawful restrictions are enforceable and they are clearly not!
I didn't move here to be bullied or controlled beyond the law, this is all i am saying and some people have lost there vision of where they are.
also the powers to be can't protect your home prices and the economy takes care of that.
However we are in a better area of the country then most places.
Just a caveat of an example; gates don't keep criminals out if anyone can push the button and come in, this is why we have so many break-in's.
The law is what protects us from these thugs.

[dbussone]

A better story took place when I was the HOA president of a community in Las Vegas. Someone installed a dish on the side of their home. Some residents sent the HOA asking that a rule be passed banning dishes. I attempted to explain to the other members of the board why we could not regulate dishes, among other things. The board decided to create a rule over my objections, so I resigned before the final vote was taken. I contacted the HOA attorney and explained what had transpired. He then wrote a letter to the board explaining that they were violating federal law. In the last paragraph of his letter to the board, he resigned as the attorney for the HOA

[Chellybean]

A better story took place when I was the HOA president of a community in Las Vegas. Someone installed a dish on the side of their home. Some residents sent the HOA asking that a rule be passed banning dishes. I attempted to explain to the other members of the board why we could not regulate dishes, among other things. The board decided to create a rule over my objections, so I resigned before the final vote was taken. I contacted the HOA attorney and explained what had transpired. He then wrote a letter to the board explaining that they were violating federal law. In the last paragraph of his letter to the board, he resigned as the attorney for the HOA

Thank you for bring this to light maybe people will get the point and understand what deed restrictions are.
Bravo to you for having the moral fiber and integrity to stand clear for the Law and not a dictatorship.

[rjcataniajr]

Hey Chellybean/Jim, some people just can't figure out anything unless its spoon fed to them.

[tuccillo]

Agreed. It is always worthwhile to read the documents that we signed upon buying here. The generic example I like to use regarding deed restrictions is that you cannot put a car up on blocks in your front yard. There is nothing unlawful about that restriction and if you persist there will be consequences. I have lived in two deed restricted communities (including The Villages) and I have never seen a restriction that gives me heartburn. For example, I am pretty sure I am not going to start drilling for oil on my property. The sat dish and antenna issue was put to rest quite some time ago by the FCC. If you do encounter a deed restriction that you believe runs counter to state or federal law, it should be straight forward to consult an attorney.

Regarding our gates, I believe their primary purpose is to regulate the flow of traffic at each Village entrance to prevent golf cart and car collisions. I don't think anyone believes they are a credible deterrent to crime. The best deterrent to crime is the vigilance of you and your neighbors, along with the Smith and Wesson Security Company ;-)

maybe your right, but we all paid dearly to live here at a inflated price and i clearly understand the deed restrictions especially as a builder from the north.
It seems people think that unlawful restrictions are enforceable and they are clearly not!
I didn't move here to be bullied or controlled beyond the law, this is all i am saying and some people have lost there vision of where they are.
also the powers to be can't protect your home prices and the economy takes care of that.
However we are in a better area of the country then most places.
Just a caveat of an example; gates don't keep criminals out if anyone can push the button and come in, this is why we have so many break-in's.
The law is what protects us from these thugs.

[dbussone]

Agreed. It is always worthwhile to read the documents that we signed upon buying here. The generic example I like to use regarding deed restrictions is that you cannot put a car up on blocks in your front yard. There is nothing unlawful about that restriction and if you persist there will be consequences. I have lived in two deed restricted communities (including The Villages) and I have never seen a restriction that gives me heartburn. For example, I am pretty sure I am not going to start drilling for oil on my property. The sat dish and antenna issue was put to rest quite some time ago by the FCC. If you do encounter a deed restriction that you believe runs counter to state or federal law, it should be straight forward to consult an attorney.

Regarding our gates, I believe their primary purpose is to regulate the flow of traffic at each Village entrance to prevent golf cart and car collisions. I don't think anyone believes they are a credible deterrent to crime. The best deterrent to crime is the vigilance of you and your neighbors, along with the Smith and Wesson Security Company ;-)

Quite correct about the gates. We are not a gated community, but a community with gates. By the way, I believe there is also a law in FL that prohibits deed restrictions from interfering with the placement and use of outside clothe lines. Go figure.

[graciegirl]

Hey Chellybean/Jim, some people just can't figure out anything unless its spoon fed to them.

And for some reason, there are chameleons that are one thing one day and another the next.

I love debate, but I dislike those who just stir the pot.

Good post Tuccillo. You are always so logical and fair and clear in your posts.

BUT...I know where the boys are that were always looking to circumvent the rules and defy authority who used to go to the school where I was a student.

Some of them or those very similar to them have moved here to The Villages.

I like rule keepers and those motivated by respect for others. Thank goodness they are the majority here.

I like deed restrictions. A lot. AND rule followers. And I would not defy the FCC. Apparently there are those who want antennas.

They have the right. But no right to a flock of plastic pink flamingos south of 466. They will "get" you.

[tuccillo]

That is a very interesting story - thanks for sharing.

A better story took place when I was the HOA president of a community in Las Vegas. Someone installed a dish on the side of their home. Some residents sent the HOA asking that a rule be passed banning dishes. I attempted to explain to the other members of the board why we could not regulate dishes, among other things. The board decided to create a rule over my objections, so I resigned before the final vote was taken. I contacted the HOA attorney and explained what had transpired. He then wrote a letter to the board explaining that they were violating federal law. In the last paragraph of his letter to the board, he resigned as the attorney for the HOA

[tuccillo]

I have lived in a gated community. We still had crime as people could jump the fences. In gated communities, you also "own" the roads so you directly bear the cost for road repairs.

Quite correct about the gates. We are not a gated community, but a community with gates. By the way, I believe there is also a law in FL that prohibits deed restrictions from interfering with the placement and use of outside clothe lines. Go figure.

[Chellybean]

Agreed. It is always worthwhile to read the documents that we signed upon buying here. The generic example I like to use regarding deed restrictions is that you cannot put a car up on blocks in your front yard. There is nothing unlawful about that restriction and if you persist there will be consequences. I have lived in two deed restricted communities (including The Villages) and I have never seen a restriction that gives me heartburn. For example, I am pretty sure I am not going to start drilling for oil on my property. The sat dish and antenna issue was put to rest quite some time ago by the FCC. If you do encounter a deed restriction that you believe runs counter to state or federal law, it should be straight forward to consult an attorney.

Regarding our gates, I believe their primary purpose is to regulate the flow of traffic at each Village entrance to prevent golf cart and car collisions. I don't think anyone believes they are a credible deterrent to crime. The best deterrent to crime is the vigilance of you and your neighbors, along with the Smith and Wesson Security Company ;-)

I also agree but due to the key cards the powers to be seem to give a false sense of security of a gated community, most gated community's don't allow push button access though, which troubles me, you have to contact the friend your visiting to let you in and due to the high traffic here that is not practical.
Also when i was building my home at a design meeting i was told don't worry about a pre wired alarm system we rarely have any break-in's here. Well 11 break-in's in 3 months are certainly not rarely, with-in a mile of my home.
I insisted that i wanted pre wired windows and doors and gave them my design and it was a nightmare for it to get done properly to the point that the designer had to shutdown the job and i almost had to fly down to correct everything. After everything was completed the designer apologized and 148 item check list was given for repairs. Unfortunately they where building at to fast of a rate, about 350 a month and a lot of detail was missed.
For the most part everything was repaired with painful effort to get it done, everyone seem to play the blame game among contractors, nothing i am not used to being a retired builder.
I was told that pre wired alarms will no longer be done due to there are to many problems that come with that, and only wireless alarms will be installed after the house is close, which i am not a fan of wireless system due to interference, which i also have a electrical mechanical engineering background and i won't elaborate on that.
Point being read what you sign and don't believe everything your told, do your own research folks, have a good day.

[Chellybean]

I have lived in a gated community. We still had crime as people could jump the fences. In gated communities, you also "own" the roads so you directly bear the cost for road repairs.

yes, but we paid the bond which is for the infer-structure and are amenities are for repairs and up keeps for the area.
So indirectly we are paying for it.

[graciegirl]

yes, but we paid the bond which is for the infer-structure and are amenities are for repairs and up keeps for the area.
So indirectly we are paying for it.

I think the subject just got changed. Isn't this the antenna/deed restrictions thread?

[Chellybean]

And for some reason, there are chameleons that are one thing one day and another the next.

I love debate, but I dislike those who just stir the pot.

Good post Tuccillo. You are always so logical and fair and clear in your posts.

BUT...I know where the boys are that were always looking to circumvent the rules and defy authority who used to go to the school where I was a student.

Some of them or those very similar to them have moved here to The Villages.

I like rule keepers and those motivated by respect for others. Thank goodness they are the majority here.

I like deed restrictions. A lot. AND rule followers. And I would not defy the FCC. Apparently there are those who want antennas.

They have the right. But no right to a flock of plastic pink flamingos south of 466. They will "get" you.

well i was wonder what took you so long to chime in, l.o.l.
I hope you don't think i am a pot stirrer, i like rules and laws too, just not the unlawful ones, and i also like good debates. :)

[graciegirl]

I also agree but due to the key cards the powers to be seem to give a false sense of security of a gated community, most gated community's don't allow push button access though, which troubles me, you have to contact the friend your visiting to let you in and due to the high traffic here that is not practical.
Also when i was building my home at a design meeting i was told don't worry about a pre wired alarm system we rarely have any break-in's here. Well 11 break-in's in 3 months are certainly not rarely, with-in a mile of my home.
I insisted that i wanted pre wired windows and doors and gave them my design and it was a nightmare for it to get done properly to the point that the designer had to shutdown the job and i almost had to fly down to correct everything. After everything was completed the designer apologized and 148 item check list was given for repairs. Unfortunately they where building at to fast of a rate, about 350 a month and a lot of detail was missed.
For the most part everything was repaired with painful effort to get it done, everyone seem to play the blame game among contractors, nothing i am not used to being a retired builder.
I was told that pre wired alarms will no longer be done due to there are to many problems that come with that, and only wireless alarms will be installed after the house is close, which i am not a fan of wireless system due to interference, which i also have a electrical mechanical engineering background and i won't elaborate on that.
Point being read what you sign and don't believe everything your told, do your own research folks, have a good day.


The roads belong to the county.

Read what you sign, and then follow the rules.

We had NO problem at all with either the new home that was already built or the one they built for us. It is their rules. There are certain things they would do, and would not do. We have built several homes and this was the best, and the easiest here in The Villages..

[Chellybean]

And for some reason, there are chameleons that are one thing one day and another the next.

I love debate, but I dislike those who just stir the pot.

Good post Tuccillo. You are always so logical and fair and clear in your posts.

BUT...I know where the boys are that were always looking to circumvent the rules and defy authority who used to go to the school where I was a student.

Some of them or those very similar to them have moved here to The Villages.

I like rule keepers and those motivated by respect for others. Thank goodness they are the majority here.

I like deed restrictions. A lot. AND rule followers. And I would not defy the FCC. Apparently there are those who want antennas.

They have the right. But no right to a flock of plastic pink flamingos south of 466. They will "get" you.

p.s. Gracie i hope you don't like a flock of plastic pink flamingos, not mine and my wife's taste, i think that is punishable by the historical communities on public decor, you can get up to ten years in prision l.o.l.
Sorry Gracie i just couldn't resist, only a little poking fun.
Love your spunk

[tuccillo]

Clothes lines - hmmm, that is interesting. Perhaps it is considered an "energy saving device", sort of like solar panels, which I believe cannot be restricted either??

Quite correct about the gates. We are not a gated community, but a community with gates. By the way, I believe there is also a law in FL that prohibits deed restrictions from interfering with the placement and use of outside clothe lines. Go figure.

[tuccillo]

I thought the actual roads were maintained by the county, via our property taxes, and is outside of the bond/maintenance fee. Anyone know for sure?

yes, but we paid the bond which is for the infer-structure and are amenities are for repairs and up keeps for the area.
So indirectly we are paying for it.

[tuccillo]

I think we beat that horse to death and like a good conversation we are onto a new topic ;-)

I think the subject just got changed. Isn't this the antenna/deed restrictions thread?

[Chellybean]

The roads belong to the county.

Read what you sign, and then follow the rules.

We had NO problem at all with either the new home that was already built or the one they built for us. It is their rules. There are certain things they would do, and would not do. We have built several homes and this was the best, and the easiest here in The Villages..

Gracie for the most part at the high rate of construction they do a pretty good job.
But it takes a trained eye to catch the mistakes, that is why homeowners pay professional to inspect their homes before the warranty is up.

[Chellybean]

I thought the actual roads were maintained by the county, via our property taxes, and is outside of the bond/maintenance fee. Anyone know for sure?


yes i believe you are correct, the point i was making is we pay for it, whether it is in a form of taxes or amenities.
The Villages do take care of alot of things over and above there responsibilities, and the road, curbs and gutters are some of the things outside of the one year requirement.