Protein activates genes, accelerates aging.

[Villages PL]

Valter Longo, Ph.D. » USC Davis School of Gerontology (http://gero.usc.edu/faculty/longo/)

Dr. Longo is the director of the University of Southern California's Longevity Institute. In this week's Parade Magazine he was quoted as follows: "Protein, especially from animal sources, activates two sets of genes that accelerate aging."

This is what I was referring to in a recent thread when I said that genes can be turned on and off by lifestyle activity. Eating animal protein is one example of turning on or "activating" genes.

This article went on to say: Those with the highest protein intake have the highest risk for cancer and mortality, as compared with those who consume the least.

[gerryann]

Very interesting.

[graciegirl]

And unless someone has a pretty extensive education into mitosis and biochemistry, all this is fairly confusing. Here is another article from another credible source.

Protein shown to be natural inhibitor of aging in fruit fly model -- ScienceDaily (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100304142238.htm)

[Villager Joyce]

Is the protein only "red meat" or does it include fish?

[Barefoot]

Valter Longo, Ph.D. » USC Davis School of Gerontology (http://gero.usc.edu/faculty/longo/)

Dr. Longo is the director of the University of Southern California's Longevity Institute. In this week's Parade Magazine he was quoted as follows: "Protein, especially from animal sources, activates two sets of genes that accelerate aging."

Sentences can be taken out of context - please link us to the complete article.

[graciegirl]

Sentences can be taken out of context - please link us to the complete article.



Sentences can be taken out of context - please link us to the complete article.
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[Bonny]

All I know is I'm having chicken for dinner !! :D

[graciegirl]

VPL you are missing so many incredibly interesting scientific presentations because you won't have a television set. Not a week goes by that I will be seeing something on TV and think to myself that VPL would so enjoy this or that.

Recently you missed a 60 Minutes presentation where the Polio Virus was used to inflame the wall of a brain tumor so that the body's natural defenses could destroy it.

You can read things, but to see the actual tumor and how it went away is something I will not forget.

So many things are right on the brink of being discovered and used in man's fight against disease. I am so glad that I am living to see it.

[jimbo2012]

Do U folks know how to use Google took me 5 seconds

see page 6 or 7

Flame on>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


http://findlaypublishing.info/tabs/parade/parade-magazine-weekly.pdf

:mmmm:

[dbussone]

Sentences can be taken out of context - please link us to the complete article.



That's right and you never can trust stuff on the Internet to start with according to some posters.

[graciegirl]

Do U folks know how to use Google took me 5 seconds

see page 6 or 7

Flame on>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


http://findlaypublishing.info/tabs/parade/parade-magazine-weekly.pdf

:mmmm:


Thank you for the link. I read it but I can't say I gained any information of scientific value from it. In my opinion it was a sensationalized article about aging that really wasn't even good journalism, let alone good science.

[dbussone]

And unless someone has a pretty extensive education into mitosis and biochemistry, all this is fairly confusing. Here is another article from another credible source.

Protein shown to be natural inhibitor of aging in fruit fly model -- ScienceDaily (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100304142238.htm)


Ooh! ScienceDaily vs Parade! Which to believe? Which to believe? Ooh! One link works, the other doesn't. The intrigue is killing me.

[jimbo2012]

With all your degrees and stated research capabilities U can figure it out!

[dbussone]

You betcha I can. And did after the first post. How bout you?

[graciegirl]

With all your degrees and stated research capabilities U can figure it out!


It is the same ole, same ole, Jimbo. The same ole, same ole. To each his own.

Overselling doesn't change anyone's mind.

It is entirely possible that you and the missus and VPL will be sitting and rocking on the porch of the old folks home chewing on carrots at 135 years of age and we will all be pushing up daisies.

Entirely possible.

[sunnyatlast]

I think the most important skill both young and old people need to learn is how to filter out all the crap available on internet and color advertising tabloid-size pullouts like Parade Magazine, which sure ain't what it was in the 1960s.

[Villages PL]

The Cheater's Guide to Living to 100 (http://parade.com/387565/parade/cheaters-guide-to-living-to-100)

Gracie, I didn't like the whole article either. There were statements I disagreed with.

But the quote was from a reputable doctor: Valter Longo, Ph.D., director of the University of Southern California's Longevity Institute, whose studies have shown that people with the highest protein intake have the highest risk of cancer and mortality compared with those who eat the least.

Here's the doctor in his own words: "Protein, especially from animal sources, activates two sets of genes that accelerate aging,"......

[jimbo2012]

You betcha I can. And did after the first post. How bout you?

No need already know this info.


Overselling doesn't change anyone's mind.


Please stop the comments about selling or changing anyone's mind, as U know U can only lead a horse to water:read:

It is entirely possible that you and the missus and VPL will be sitting and rocking on the porch of the old folks home chewing on carrots at 135 years of age and we will all be pushing up daisies.

Entirely possible. See what we will have missed.

No old folks home I hope, rather be up and about.

Having said that-----

That my dear is simply a matter of choice. :22yikes:

[Villages PL]

And unless someone has a pretty extensive education into mitosis and biochemistry, all this is fairly confusing. Here is another article from another credible source.

Protein shown to be natural inhibitor of aging in fruit fly model -- ScienceDaily (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100304142238.htm)

Science Daily is a good source but I didn't see anything that would contradict what Dr. Longo stated. Protein is an important nutrient and no one has said otherwise. It's all about putting things in proper perspective, it's not all or nothing. We obviously need protein, but the question is how much and what kind is best?

If you will scroll down to the fourth paragraph of your link it says, "AMPK is activated in response to caloric restriction, a condition that slows down aging, whereas TOR is activated in response to over nutrition, a condition that accelerates aging."

That's brilliant! I agree with that 100%. It's what I have been trying to tell people ever since I read, "Beyond The 120 Year Diet", a book I read many years ago. Calorie restriction activates a gene(s) to slow down aging.

It all fits together. Protein is essential but needs to be kept in proper perspective.

In my opinion, based on many years of study, veganism is the ideal. And it's backed up by large long-term studies showing that those who eat the least amount of animal protein live the longest healthiest lives. Then put that together with calorie restriction as was stated above, but don't confused it with anorexia or orthorexia.

[gerryann]

It all fits together. Protein is essential but needs to be kept in proper perspective.


Such an important sentence. I basically will eat anything and everything ( well, most everything) ....but all in moderation. Someday, I know I will be a 90% vegan.

[Moderator]

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[dbussone]

Amen. Moderation in everything.

[graciegirl]

Even if we get it JUST right, we can't live forever. The pleasures of the table are a lovely part of living.


Yesterday we had roast beef, with sour cream horse radish sauce, mashed potatoes, peas, corn, baked apples, tossed green salad and yeast rolls. And for dessert fresh fruit and whipped cream.

It was a major feast day and we feasted.

[Polar Bear]

Those with the highest protein intake have the highest risk for...mortality, as compared with those who consume the least.

Actually, we all have identical risks of mortality.

[jimbo2012]

How do U reach that conclusion?

"further evidence that a higher consumption of fruit and vegetables is associated with a lower risk of all cause mortality, particularly cardiovascular mortality."

link (http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g4490)

Do you think someone being for example obese or a smoker has the same mortality rate?

[graciegirl]

How do U reach that conclusion?

"further evidence that a higher consumption of fruit and vegetables is associated with a lower risk of all cause mortality, particularly cardiovascular mortality."

link (http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g4490)

Do you think someone being for example obese or a smoker has the same mortality rate?

I think that he meant that death is inevitable for all of us.

I think a healthy diet can extend our lives, maybe not as much as frequent sustained activity that raises the heart rate, but somewhat. But no one can make me believe that giving up meat and milk in moderation will make anyone live longer. Smaller portions of protein and bigger percentages of fruit and vegetables with less fat to ME is a healthy diet.

And enjoying the company of others and laughing a lot doesn't hurt either

But picking ancestors who are free of nasty genetic links is even more important in living a long healthy life.

Some of our trump cards have already been played at the age that most of us are. It goes without saying that smoking and drinking heavily aren't really good for you, but my dad lived to be ninety and drank a goodly amount.

[jimbo2012]

Jim Morrison quote "No one here gets out alive.”


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For sure, it just how and when

[dbussone]

Even if we get it JUST right, we can't live forever. The pleasures of the table are a lovely part of living.


Yesterday we had roast beef, with sour cream horse radish sauce, mashed potatoes, peas, corn, baked apples, tossed green salad and yeast rolls. And for dessert fresh fruit and whipped cream.

It was a major feast day and we feasted.

What a wonderful table. Perfect for family, guests, and Easter!

[buzzy]

Based on the article, it would appear that living in isolation and spending an inordinate amount of time arguing on TOTV might negate the benefits of a healthy diet.

[Carla B]

VPL you are missing so many incredibly interesting scientific presentations because you won't have a television set. Not a week goes by that I will be seeing something on TV and think to myself that VPL would so enjoy this or that.

Recently you missed a 60 Minutes presentation where the Polio Virus was used to inflame the wall of a brain tumor so that the body's natural defenses could destroy it.

You can read things, but to see the actual tumor and how it went away is something I will not forget.

So many things are right on the brink of being discovered and used in man's fight against disease. I am so glad that I am living to see it.

VPL, I'm not commenting on the diet issue here, but I have to agree with Gracie that you should consider getting a television set. If you had one you might have seen the wonderful 6-hour documentary on PBS last week, "Cancer: The Emperor of All Maladies." In the Ken Burns' style it examined in great depth the history of man's struggle to understand this disease, the missteps and small victories against cancer.

[gomoho]

I like the comment a previous poster made about the genetic cards you have been dealt and when I hear about protein aging you I have to look at Suzanne Sommers who is high on protein, fresh fruits and vegetables and is doing really, really well. She is not just a dumb blonde from a TV show or just another pretty face, but does lots of research and it seems to working well for her. Take everything with a grain of salt and do what works for you. I try to live a healthy life style, but I'll be damned if I will not have a delicious steak or a piece of chocolate so I can live a few more years to look back at all that I feel I missed. Just one person's opinion.

[dbussone]

I like the comment a previous poster made about the genetic cards you have been dealt and when I hear about protein aging you I have to look at Suzanne Sommers who is high on protein, fresh fruits and vegetables and is doing really, really well. She is not just a dumb blonde from a TV show or just another pretty face, but does lots of research and it seems to working well for her. Take everything with a grain of salt and do what works for you. I try to live a healthy life style, but I'll be damned if I will not have a delicious steak or a piece of chocolate so I can live a few more years to look back at all that I feel I missed. Just one person's opinion.


Many opinions mirror your's.

[Villages PL]

VPL, I'm not commenting on the diet issue here, but I have to agree with Gracie that you should consider getting a television set. If you had one you might have seen the wonderful 6-hour documentary on PBS last week, "Cancer: The Emperor of All Maladies." In the Ken Burns' style it examined in great depth the history of man's struggle to understand this disease, the missteps and small victories against cancer.

Was it from a medical perspective or lifestyle/prevention perspective? I don't think I would be all that interested in the medical perspective, like what new treatments they're working on etc.. A cure is always just around the corner.

They often claim that getting tested for cancer = prevention. No, it's not prevention, it's detection. Many people live unhealthy lifestyles and wait for cancer to be detected. Living a healthy lifestyle lowers one's risk and that = prevention. That's my goal.

I have a 2014 book I will start reading tonight: "P53: The Gene That Cracked The Cancer Code". I hope it's interesting.

Anyway, what's the point of watching all those science shows on TV if the conclusion is that nothing matters, concerning one's liestyle? Maybe that's why so many people like those shows, they're told that science is going to develop a cure so they won't have to make any lifestyle changes. No effort required, just continue eating whatever pleases your taste.

[sunnyatlast]

Was it from a medical perspective or lifestyle/prevention perspective? I don't think I would be all that interested in the medical perspective, like what new treatments they're working on etc.. A cure is always just around the corner.

They often claim that getting tested for cancer = prevention. No, it's not prevention, it's detection. Many people live unhealthy lifestyles and wait for cancer to be detected. Living a healthy lifestyle lowers one's risk and that = prevention. That's my goal.

I have a 2014 book I will start reading tonight: "P53: The Gene That Cracked The Cancer Code". I hope it's interesting.

Anyway, what's the point of watching all those science shows on TV if the conclusion is that nothing matters, concerning one's liestyle? Maybe that's why so many people like those shows, they're told that science is going to develop a cure so they won't have to make any lifestyle changes. No effort required, just continue eating whatever pleases your taste.

You know, a person has to be alive and kicking' and not dying of cancer right now to be able to "make any lifestyle changes".

If afflicted people and their family caregivers having high probability genetically of getting it, AND the patient want to watch science develop new findings and breakthroughs so that others around them don't have to go thru the same thing, more power to them! Knowledge is power, regardless of whether you avoid getting cancer…..or whether you get it!

Either way, knowledge of the sciences and research is essential.

[graciegirl]

Was it from a medical perspective or lifestyle/prevention perspective? I don't think I would be all that interested in the medical perspective, like what new treatments they're working on etc.. A cure is always just around the corner.

They often claim that getting tested for cancer = prevention. No, it's not prevention, it's detection. Many people live unhealthy lifestyles and wait for cancer to be detected. Living a healthy lifestyle lowers one's risk and that = prevention. That's my goal.

I have a 2014 book I will start reading tonight: "P53: The Gene That Cracked The Cancer Code". I hope it's interesting.

Anyway, what's the point of watching all those science shows on TV if the conclusion is that nothing matters, concerning one's liestyle? Maybe that's why so many people like those shows, they're told that science is going to develop a cure so they won't have to make any lifestyle changes. No effort required, just continue eating whatever pleases your taste.


So if Science did develop a cure so that one's lifestyle was not part of the equation, you would consider it a failure? I would absolutely change my diet to your extreme one if I thought it would guarantee me not getting cancer...... AND I would absolutely take a pill or get a shot if it would keep me from dying of something.

To me that proves an obsession with a certain diet. If something works, if a medicine makes it easier to stay healthy, if your blood pressure is controlled with a chemical, then you are helping yourself. The narrow path that you have chosen is not the only path to health in my opinion

I ask you again, if Science did develop a cure or a prevention for cancer, using chemicals or gene therapy that did NOT involve a change of life style, you would not be interested???????.

[Villages PL]

I like the comment a previous poster made about the genetic cards you have been dealt and when I hear about protein aging you I have to look at Suzanne Sommers who is high on protein, fresh fruits and vegetables and is doing really, really well. She is not just a dumb blonde from a TV show or just another pretty face, but does lots of research and it seems to working well for her. Take everything with a grain of salt and do what works for you. I try to live a healthy life style, but I'll be damned if I will not have a delicious steak or a piece of chocolate so I can live a few more years to look back at all that I feel I missed. Just one person's opinion.

If I were still smoking and needed an excuse to continue smoking, I would look for elderly people who smoked until they were in their mid to late 90s. The woman who lived to be the oldest in the world (122+ years) smoked until she was 100. Does that mean it's not a lifestyle risk?

Science never goes by what happens to one or two or a handful of lucky people. They would compare tens of thousands of smokers with tens of thousands of non smokers.

[jimbo2012]

I would absolutely change my diet to your extreme one if I thought it would guarantee me not getting cancer......

First, 5% of the population does not make it extreme.

Secondly, it's really not per se a diet change it's a lifestyle change


What if you could be assured never to get a heart attack, would you?

Question what aliments to be safeguarded against would you consider a change in diet?

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[Villages PL]

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[COLOR=black]So if Science did develop a cure so that one's lifestyle was not part of the equation, you would consider it a failure?

No, I just wouldn't waste my time waiting and getting my hopes up for something that may never come. I have better things to do with my time rather than become obsessed with that perspective.

I would absolutely change my diet to your extreme one if I thought it would guarantee me not getting cancer.....

The guarantee is that you would lower your risk. In my opinion, when people eat the same diet that promoted cancer in the first place, then it's likely to return. People in remission should be the most interested in doing something different.


AND I would absolutely take a pill or get a shot if it would keep me from dying of something.

But what if there's no guarantee? I thought you would need a guarantee. My aunt took a lot of pills and got kidney failure.

To me that proves an obsession with a certain diet.

Right, I'm obsessed with a diet that I love. I love healthy food.

[graciegirl]

Can any of you techies get this to link directly to the National Geographic article about the "Evolution of Diet"?

Here is the best I can do to link to that article.. I found it interesting since our friends here would only consider a diet to be the panacea for cancer and heart disease, as opposed to me who would do the Hokey Pokey to stay healthy if that is what it's about.

The Evolution of Diet - National Geographic (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/evolution-of-diet/)

[Carla B]

Interesting article from Johns Hopkins: http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/bad_luck_of_random_mutations_plays_predominant_rol e_in_cancer_study_shows

[jimbo2012]

Interesting article: Many types of cancers are merely bad luck, study shows - CNET (http://www.cnet.com/news/many-cancers-are-merely-bad-luck-study-says/)

"However, he said: "If two-thirds of cancer incidence across tissues is explained by random DNA mutations that occur when stem cells divide, then changing our lifestyle and habits will be a huge help in preventing certain cancers, but this may not be as effective for a variety of others."

The cancers which, the researchers say, are still hugely influenced by lifestyle factors include colon cancer (diet and genes play a huge role)"

[Carla B]

It took an hour to figure out how to link a website article in a post. Since I now know how, I edited the above post to link to the Johns Hopkins report of the study that formed the basis of the CNET article. I think it is a more believable source.

I wish that all cancers could be related to lifestyle choices. It's disappointing that they're not..

[dbussone]

Genetics of OCD
Gerald Nestadt, Marco Grados, and J F Samuels

Additional article information

Abstract
Synopsis
OCD is a common debilitating condition affecting individuals from childhood through adult life. There is good evidence of genetic contribution to its etiology, but environmental risk factors also are likely to be involved. The condition probably has a complex pattern of inheritance. Molecular studies have identified several potentially relevant genes, but much additional research is needed to establish definitive causes of the condition.

You can find the article at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824902/

"Lay down on the couch and tell me about your childhood."

[Barefoot]

"However, he said: "If two-thirds of cancer incidence across tissues is explained by random DNA mutations that occur when stem cells divide, then changing our lifestyle and habits will be a huge help in preventing certain cancers, but this may not be as effective for a variety of others."

The cancers which, the researchers say, are still hugely influenced by lifestyle factors include colon cancer (diet and genes play a huge role)"

Fascinating to hear the term "bad luck" about getting cancer in the CNET article.
As we all know, the danger of getting colon cancer can be minimized by having colonoscopies to identify and remove polyps.
I personally think that people who have a close, supportive circle of friends and the ability to laugh at themselves are the healthiest and happiest of people!

[dbussone]

Fascinating to hear the term "bad luck" about getting cancer in the CNET article.
As we all know, the danger of getting colon cancer can be minimized by having colonoscopies to identify and remove polyps.
I personally think that people who have a close, supportive circle of friends and the ability to laugh at themselves are the healthiest and happiest of people!

Excellent post Bare. Your last sentence is very meaningful and one we seldom think about.

[graciegirl]

Excellent post Bare. Your last sentence is very meaningful and one we seldom think about.


You are right as usual, both of you. There is a lot to make up the total health of a human and that includes mental and emotional health as well as physical health.

I do believe The Villages fosters the mental and emotional health of seniors very well, and anything that moves us around is good for us.

Many people eat out a lot and some of us enjoy preparing meals at home. There are choices we make every day. Some are better for us than others.

The chances of me getting up some morning and running five miles are about as good as me winning the lottery.

I know I harp on Television. If a person doesn't have a TV receiver in this day and age it puts them very behind in general information as well as pleasurable diversion which is good for our minds.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by graciegirl https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/images/talkofthevillages/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/protein-activates-genes-accelerates-aging-150381/#post1041867)
So if Science did develop a cure so that one's lifestyle was not part of the equation, you would consider it a failure?

Villages PL Reply:
No, I just wouldn't waste my time waiting and getting my hopes up for something that may never come. I have better things to do with my time rather than become obsessed with that perspective.

Barefoot Comment:
If one has to have an obsession, I think it's healthier to hope for a positive outcome than focus on negatives.

[Villages PL]

Knowledge is power, regardless of whether you avoid getting cancer…..or whether you get it!

Either way, knowledge of the sciences and research is essential.

If knowledge is power and knowledge of the sciences and research is essential, does that mean you appreciate the knowledge I brought to this thread (i.e., the opening statement by Dr. Longo who stated that protein activates genes to accelerate aging)?

[Villages PL]

Can any of you techies get this to link directly to the National Geographic article about the "Evolution of Diet"?

Here is the best I can do to link to that article.. I found it interesting since our friends here would only consider a diet to be the panacea for cancer and heart disease, as opposed to me who would do the Hokey Pokey to stay healthy if that is what it's about.

The Evolution of Diet - National Geographic (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/evolution-of-diet/)

I read that article when you first recommended it to me several months ago. I wondered why you recommended it to me rather than starting a thread on it yourself. BTW, I wasn't very impressed because I didn't find anything all that new in it.

On the plus side, it proved that when you're living off of nature, in the wild, you can live off of almost anything. They preferred meat but when hunting for animals became unproductive, they lived on a plant based diet.

Maybe I've forgotten something? What do you think is important that we should learn from that article that relates to this thread?

One thing is obvious: When you're trying to survive in the wild, the last thing you would worry about is coming down with a degenerative disease like cancer. Their main concern was to keep from starving.

[Barefoot]

I personally think that people who have a close, supportive circle of friends and the ability to laugh at themselves are the healthiest and happiest of people!

Excellent post Bare. Your last sentence is very meaningful and one we seldom think about.


I'd be interested in the OP's view on whether he feels that good friends and positive emotional health are as important to good health as becoming a Vegan.

[Villages PL]

Interesting article from Johns Hopkins: Bad Luck of Random Mutations Plays Predominant Role in Cancer, Study Shows - 01/01/2015 (http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/bad_luck_of_random_mutations_plays_predominant_rol e_in_cancer_study_shows)

Carla, that's exactly what I mean by the medical perspective. They make it sound pretty hopeless. The title itself says it all: "Bad Luck of Random Mutations Plays a Predominant Role in Cancer, Study Shows."

To repeat what you once said to me, "Holy Cow!"

But I did find at least one sentence that gave some hope: "The best way to prevent some cancer types is by eliminating environmental factors and by changing lifestyles." But they only gave one example: "Quitting smoking is one valuable example of primary prevention."

I assume that "changing lifestyles" includes one's diet regimen but they didn't even devote one word to that. Diet has a lot to do with inflammation and one's immune system but there was no mention of that. Exercise is also very important and there was no mention of that either. That's the medical perspective. They mainly want to impress upon people the fact that it's complicated and mostly unavoidable and there's not much you can do except get tested and then treated (by them I presume - that's how they make their money). Cancer is big business and they're running it the way one would expect a business to be run.

[Villages PL]

I personally think that people who have a close, supportive circle of friends and the ability to laugh at themselves are the healthiest and happiest of people!

But nothing to support your belief? Then I'll tell you what I believe based on a book I read (no link). I'll get the book title later, if you're interested.

There was a study that went on for about 80 years. It started with about 1,500 kids who were about 12 or 13 years old. And the study went on until almost all but a few had died. They categorized all of them as to personality types, based on tests and comments by parents and teachers.

The personality type that did the best overall was called "conscientious". (That's my personality type.)

The personality type you're referring to was called "happy-go-lucky". The problem with the happy-go-lucky type is they often disregard healthy lifestyle rules in favor of having fun.

[dbussone]

But nothing to support your belief? Then I'll tell you what I believe based on a book I read (no link). I'll get the book title later, if you're interested.

There was a study that went on for about 80 years. It started with about 1,500 kids who were about 12 or 13 years old. And the study went on until almost all but a few had died. They categorized all of them as to personality types, based on tests and comments by parents and teachers.

The personality type that did the best overall was called "conscientious". (That's my personality type.)

The personality type you're referring to was called "happy-go-lucky". The problem with the happy-go-lucky type is they often disregard healthy lifestyle rules in favor of having fun.

Did the "best" from which perspective? Social acceptability, educationally, health wise, etc.

[dbussone]

But nothing to support your belief? Then I'll tell you what I believe based on a book I read (no link). I'll get the book title later, if you're interested.

There was a study that went on for about 80 years. It started with about 1,500 kids who were about 12 or 13 years old. And the study went on until almost all but a few had died. They categorized all of them as to personality types, based on tests and comments by parents and teachers.

The personality type that did the best overall was called "conscientious". (That's my personality type.)

The personality type you're referring to was called "happy-go-lucky". The problem with the happy-go-lucky type is they often disregard healthy lifestyle rules in favor of having fun.

I think this is the foundation of Bare's post. It is from the Mayo Clinic and I have clipped the article for the sake of brevity:

Social support: Tap this tool to beat stress
Having close friends and family has far-reaching benefits for your health. Here's how to build and maintain these essential relationships.

By Mayo Clinic Staff
A strong social support network can be critical to help you through the stress of tough times, whether you've had a bad day at work or a year filled with loss or chronic illness. Since your supportive family, friends, and co-workers are such an important part of your life, it's never too soon to cultivate these important relationships.

What is a social support network?

A social support network is made up of friends, family and peers. A social support network is different from a support group, which is generally a structured meeting run by a mental health professional. Although both can play an important role in times of stress, a social support network is something you can develop when you're not under stress. It provides the comfort of knowing that your friends are there for you if you need them.

Here's the link to the full article: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/stress-management/in-depth/social-support/art-20044445

[john2]

But there would NEVER have been humans without eating animal protein as that is what grew our brains.

[jimbo2012]

John you may want to review this (http://www.theflamingvegan.com/view-post/Vegan-Mythbusting-2-Eating-Meat-Gave-Our-Ancestors-Bigger-Brains) before you say that bigger brains.....sorry long read


also research some of these in red There’s something in meat called L-carnitine, which causes plaque in arteries when it’s digested. Which is a long-winded way of saying that eating meat will, without exception, give you artery plaque (unless you’re a mutant or something). There’s also a sugar in meat called Neu5Gc, which our immune systems attack, which can eventually cause cancer

[villagerjack]

[QUOTE=Villages PL;1041104]Valter Longo, Ph.D. » USC Davis School of Gerontology (http://gero.usc.edu/faculty/longo/)

Dr. Longo is the director of the University of Southern California's Longevity Institute. In this week's Parade Magazine he was quoted as follows: "Protein, especially from animal sources, activates two sets of genes that accelerate aging."

That must be the work of the greedy developer to get people to move here earlier in life. As a result of eating lots and lots of delicious hamburger, My age accelerated and moved here at age 42.

[graciegirl]

Carla, that's exactly what I mean by the medical perspective. They make it sound pretty hopeless. The title itself says it all: "Bad Luck of Random Mutations Plays a Predominant Role in Cancer, Study Shows."

To repeat what you once said to me, "Holy Cow!"

But I did find at least one sentence that gave some hope: "The best way to prevent some cancer types is by eliminating environmental factors and by changing lifestyles." But they only gave one example: "Quitting smoking is one valuable example of primary prevention."

I assume that "changing lifestyles" includes one's diet regimen but they didn't even devote one word to that. Diet has a lot to do with inflammation and one's immune system but there was no mention of that. Exercise is also very important and there was no mention of that either. That's the medical perspective. They mainly want to impress upon people the fact that it's complicated and mostly unavoidable and there's not much you can do except get tested and then treated (by them I presume - that's how they make their money). Cancer is big business and they're running it the way one would expect a business to be run.

That is the chant of the holistic group wherever you go. I don't buy it. I think that the business of cancer is better understood when you find you have it or your loved one has it. Spending money to research how it works and what can be done to prevent it is money well spent. I wish you would better understand the processes you speak of such as "inflammation" and "one's immune system". It is obvious you believe your diet is the panacea but I disagree. And giving up delicious food that our body is inclined to hunger for is sort of like asking people to give up sex as a means of birth control. There has to be a better way, a more moderate way than abstaining from the devil meat that our bodies want to eat.

Again I chant moderation. Your diet is extreme. It isn't proved to be the answer to all you claim. It is very possible that the "pure" Island population that you are always bringing up have better diets and more genetic defenses against cancer too. We have and do mix all kinds of genes in this great diverse country. It is proven that the African American population has more difficulty with sickle cell anemia and diabetes than white or Asian groups. That native Americans have more difficulty with genetic triggered alcohol addiction than other groups. That some European Ethnic Jews carry the Tay-Sachs gene that causes certain death to babies affected with it.

[tuccillo]

With regard to your comment about African-Americans and diabetes, it could be related to diet and other socio-economic issues and not a specific predisposition to diabetes, as you suggested. Separating out genetics from lifestyle is a daunting task.

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That is the chant of the holistic group wherever you go. I don't buy it. I think that the business of cancer is better understood when you find you have it or your loved one has it. Spending money to research how it works and what can be done to prevent it is money well spent. I wish you would better understand the processes you speak of such as "inflammation" and "one's immune system". It is obvious you believe your diet is the panacea but I disagree. And giving up delicious food that our body is inclined to hunger for is sort of like asking people to give up sex as a means of birth control. There has to be a better way, a more moderate way than abstaining from the devil meat that our bodies want to eat.

Again I chant moderation. Your diet is extreme. It isn't proved to be the answer to all you claim. It is very possible that the "pure" Island population that you are always bringing up have better diets and more genetic defenses against cancer too. We have and do mix all kinds of genes in this great diverse country. It is proven that the African American population has more difficulty with sickle cell anemia and diabetes than white or Asian groups. That native Americans have more difficulty with genetic triggered alcohol addiction than other groups. That some European Ethnic Jews carry the Tay-Sachs gene that causes certain death to babies affected with it.

[Villages PL]

I think this is the foundation of Bare's post. It is from the Mayo Clinic and I have clipped the article for the sake of brevity:

Social support: Tap this tool to beat stress
Having close friends and family has far-reaching benefits for your health. Here's how to build and maintain these essential relationships.

By Mayo Clinic Staff
A strong social support network can be critical to help you through the stress of tough times, whether you've had a bad day at work or a year filled with loss or chronic illness. Since your supportive family, friends, and co-workers are such an important part of your life, it's never too soon to cultivate these important relationships.

What is a social support network?

A social support network is made up of friends, family and peers. A social support network is different from a support group, which is generally a structured meeting run by a mental health professional. Although both can play an important role in times of stress, a social support network is something you can develop when you're not under stress. It provides the comfort of knowing that your friends are there for you if you need them.

Here's the link to the full article: Combat stress with a strong social support network - Mayo Clinic (http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/stress-management/in-depth/social-support/art-20044445)

You're missing something important: The "conscientious" personality type has all of the above adequately covered. But the "happy-go-lucky" personality type doesn't have all the bases covered as far as living a complete healthy lifestyle. The happy-go-lucky types take more health risks in the name of having fun.

For example, they're likely to laugh and/or ridicule a healthy diet as being extreme or obsessive. They're also likely to dismiss a healthy diet as being dull and boring - no fun! By the way, it's not true but it's true from their perspective or mind set.

It's not that being happy and having a support system isn't good, it's just not the whole picture. (Too many eggs in one basket.)

[dbussone]

You're missing something important: The "conscientious" personality type has all of the above adequately covered. But the "happy-go-lucky" personality type doesn't have all the bases covered as far as living a complete healthy lifestyle. The happy-go-lucky types take more health risks in the name of having fun.

For example, they're likely to laugh and/or ridicule a healthy diet as being extreme or obsessive. They're also likely to dismiss a healthy diet as being dull and boring - no fun! By the way, it's not true but it's true from their perspective or mind set.

It's not that being happy and having a support system isn't good, it's just not the whole picture. (Too many eggs in one basket.)


To the best of my ability to tell, I do not believe that the study incorporated various personality types. Since there are various personality assessment tools (which generally categorize me as type A) I would think the Mayo study does not take them into consideration. Do you think the study you note is recent enough to accurately incorporate the Mayo dynamics and variables?

[jimbo2012]

Neu5Gc, a non-human sugar found in red meat, promotes inflammation and cancer progression

researchers at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine to investigate the possible tumor-forming role of a sugar called Neu5Gc, which is naturally found in most mammals but not in humans.

In a study published in the Dec. 29 online early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the scientists found that feeding Neu5Gc to mice engineered to be deficient in the sugar (like humans) significantly promoted spontaneous cancers. The study did not involve exposure to carcinogens or artificially inducing cancers, further implicating Neu5Gc as a key link between red meat consumption and cancer.

They found that red meats (beef, pork and lamb) are rich in Neu5Gc, affirming that foods of mammalian origin such as these are the primary sources of Neu5Gc in the human diet. The molecule was found to be bio-available, too, meaning it can be distributed to tissues throughout the body via the bloodstream.

The researchers had previously discovered that animal Neu5Gc can be absorbed into human tissues. In this study, they hypothesized that eating red meat could lead to inflammation if the body’s immune system is constantly generating antibodies against consumed animal Neu5Gc, a foreign molecule. Chronic inflammation is known to promote tumor formation.

more
N-Glycolylneuraminic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Glycolylneuraminic_acid)

People Behind the Progress at the Cancer Research Institute - CRI (http://www.cancerresearch.org/our-strategy-impact/people-behind-the-progress/scientists/oliver-m-pearce-exploring-the-link-between-weste)

"recently published in the British Journal of Cancer, for instance, followed the diets and health of 61,000 participants over more than a decade. The study found that vegetarians—inclusive of those who eat fish—are 50 percent less likely to develop some types of cancer than people who eat red meat."

"the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research described suggestive evidence that animal fat intake increases the risk of colorectal cancer.....colon cancer patients who, after having a primary tumor removed, maintained a Western diet that’s high in red and processed meats were three-and-a-half times more likely to have a recurrence than patients who ate higher intakes of fish, poultry, fruits, and vegetables."

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[graciegirl]

Neu5Gc, a non-human sugar found in red meat, promotes inflammation and cancer progression

researchers at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine to investigate the possible tumor-forming role of a sugar called Neu5Gc, which is naturally found in most mammals but not in humans.

In a study published in the Dec. 29 online early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the scientists found that feeding Neu5Gc to mice engineered to be deficient in the sugar (like humans) significantly promoted spontaneous cancers. The study did not involve exposure to carcinogens or artificially inducing cancers, further implicating Neu5Gc as a key link between red meat consumption and cancer.

They found that red meats (beef, pork and lamb) are rich in Neu5Gc, affirming that foods of mammalian origin such as these are the primary sources of Neu5Gc in the human diet. The molecule was found to be bio-available, too, meaning it can be distributed to tissues throughout the body via the bloodstream.

The researchers had previously discovered that animal Neu5Gc can be absorbed into human tissues. In this study, they hypothesized that eating red meat could lead to inflammation if the body’s immune system is constantly generating antibodies against consumed animal Neu5Gc, a foreign molecule. Chronic inflammation is known to promote tumor formation.

more
N-Glycolylneuraminic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Glycolylneuraminic_acid)

People Behind the Progress at the Cancer Research Institute - CRI (http://www.cancerresearch.org/our-strategy-impact/people-behind-the-progress/scientists/oliver-m-pearce-exploring-the-link-between-weste)

"recently published in the British Journal of Cancer, for instance, followed the diets and health of 61,000 participants over more than a decade. The study found that vegetarians—inclusive of those who eat fish—are 50 percent less likely to develop some types of cancer than people who eat red meat."

"the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research described suggestive evidence that animal fat intake increases the risk of colorectal cancer.....colon cancer patients who, after having a primary tumor removed, maintained a Western diet that’s high in red and processed meats were three-and-a-half times more likely to have a recurrence than patients who ate higher intakes of fish, poultry, fruits, and vegetables."

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I would prefer links to credible sources. The organization you link is not a research facility, it is a fundraiser. AND....Words and phrases taken out of context are confusing and often misleading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_Research_Institute

As to your link to the Wikipedia explanation of N-Glycolylneuraminic acid. there is nothing to suggest or dispute your statement that it "causes" inflammation.

[Villages PL]

[message to Jimbo] I would prefer links to credible sources. The organization you link is not a research facility, it is a fundraiser. AND....Words and phrases taken out of context are confusing and often misleading.

The link to the article by Dr. Oliver M. Pearce is a credible source because everything is backed up by scientific studies. For example, if you scroll down to the 3rd. paragraph you will see the words, "A large population study" in blue type. If you click on that blue type you will see a report by the British Journal of Cancer.

Then scroll down to where it says "Abstract". At the end of the abstract there is a conclusion: "The incidence of some cancers may be lower in fish eaters and vegetarians than in meat eaters."

[Polar Bear]

...At the end of the abstract there is a conclusion: "The incidence of some cancers may be lower in fish eaters and vegetarians than in meat eaters."
I believe that conclusion is probably true. But "some", "maybe"? Not very definitive or convincing.

[Villages PL]

I believe that conclusion is probably true. But "some", "maybe"? Not very definitive or convincing.

I didn't say I liked the study. I was merely giving instructions on how to get the scientific back up to various statements in the article.

In my opinion, the study would have been better if they had compared those who eat animal protein with those who don't eat any. Protein has many different forms, but it's still protein.

Remember the heading of this thread: "Protein activates genes, accelerates aging"

[Villages PL]

To the best of my ability to tell, I do not believe that the study incorporated various personality types. Since there are various personality assessment tools (which generally categorize me as type A) I would think the Mayo study does not take them into consideration. Do you think the study you note is recent enough to accurately incorporate the Mayo dynamics and variables?

I read the book about 5 years ago, so the only thing I feel sure about now is what I stated. I remember feeling satisfied because, after taking the personality tests in the book, I was classified as "conscientious". And those who were conscientious in the study had the best outcomes as far as longevity etc.. And I remembered why the "happy-go-lucky" personality didn't do as well. There were other personality types but I don't remember enough to comment on them.

Someday I'll see if I can get the book again and review it.

[Barefoot]

I read the book about 5 years ago, so the only thing I feel sure about now is what I stated. I remember feeling satisfied because, after taking the personality tests in the book, I was classified as "conscientious". And those who were conscientious in the study had the best outcomes as far as longevity etc.. And I remembered why the "happy-go-lucky" personality didn't do as well. There were other personality types but I don't remember enough to comment on them. Someday I'll see if I can get the book again and review it.

VPL, this post is for you.
I know you like to read the newspaper and you often quote articles that support your point of view.

Friday's Daily Sun had an article by Dr. Barton Goldsmith entitled:
Depression, Loneliness are Bad for Your Health

I quote:
"Apparently loneliness and depression are the new killers.
In fact, recent studies show that either one is more dangerous to your life than obesity or using tobacco products." :duck:

[Villages PL]

VPL, this post is for you.
I know you like to read the newspaper and you often quote articles that support your point of view.

Friday's Daily Sun had an article by Dr. Barton Goldsmith entitled:
Depression, Loneliness are Bad for Your Health

I quote:
"Apparently loneliness and depression are the new killers.
In fact, recent studies show that either one is more dangerous to your life than obesity or using tobacco products." :duck:

Where's your link to the article? It's all to easy to take statements out of context.

If you feel strongly about this, you should start a new thread and advise people not to be lonely and/or depressed.

In your opinion, does this new finding make it more acceptable to be obese and use tobacco products?

[dbussone]

Where's your link to the article? It's all to easy to take statements out of context.



If you feel strongly about this, you should start a new thread and advise people not to be lonely and/or depressed.



In your opinion, does this new finding make it more acceptable to be obese and use tobacco products?


The article was in the Daily Sun. I don't believe it possible to provide a link. However your local library most likely has a subscription you can access.

[Villages PL]

Originally posted by Barefoot: Depression, Loneliness, are Bad for Your Health. "....more dangerous to your life than obesity or using tobacco products."

If you feel strongly about this, you should start a new thread and advise people not to be lonely and/or depressed.

In your opinion, does this new finding make it more acceptable to be obese and/or use tobacco products?

[Barefoot]

I personally think that people who have a close, supportive circle of friends and the ability to laugh at themselves are the healthiest and happiest of people!


VPL, this post is for you.
I know you like to read the newspaper and you often quote articles that support your point of view.

Friday's Daily Sun had an article by Dr. Barton Goldsmith entitled:
Depression, Loneliness are Bad for Your Health

I quote:
"Apparently loneliness and depression are the new killers.
In fact, recent studies show that either one is more dangerous to your life than obesity or using tobacco products." :duck:

Where's your link to the article? It's all to easy to take statements out of context.

If you feel strongly about this, you should start a new thread and advise people not to be lonely and/or depressed.

In your opinion, does this new finding make it more acceptable to be obese and use tobacco products?

VPL, you often quote articles from the Daily Sun to make a point. I was merely doing the same.
I do feel strongly about this, however I wouldn't dream of starting a thread and advising people not to be lonely or depressed. The members of TOTV are quite capable of deciding how to live their lives without my advice!
And I don't feel that people with a close circle of friends and the ability to laugh at themselves are obese and use tobacco products. I don't understand where you came up with that extrapolation.
I think people with supportive friends and loving relationships tend to be well balanced individuals who take care of themselves and their friends.

[dbussone]

VPL, you often quote articles from the Daily Sun to make a point. I was merely doing the same.
I do feel strongly about this, however I wouldn't dream of starting a thread and advising people not to be lonely or depressed. The members of TOTV are quite capable of deciding how to live their lives without my advice!
And I don't feel that people with a close circle of friends and the ability to laugh at themselves are obese and use tobacco products. I don't understand where you came up with that extrapolation.
I think people with supportive friends and loving relationships tend to be well balanced individuals who take care of themselves and their friends.


Quite correct.