Tiger predictions anyone?

[jebartle]

1st practice round at Augusta was encouraging. Engaging with crowds, score on front nine was 30, smiles for his buds....Today a little more serious...
I sure would like to see a top ten finish.

[TheVillageChicken]

I'll have a go.
He either WDs or misses the cut and in doing so, steals the spotlight from the leaders.

[steamdogman]

After first shank or double bogie, he will begin to have spasms. He willthen another couple of holes and withdraw

[Polar Bear]

No prediction, but how he does early on with those nasty chips/pitches will be big. And how he does after his first poor chip/pitch (if he hits one) will be even bigger.

[Bonny]

I hope he does well. I really miss watching him play good golf.

[dewilson58]

I'll have a go.
He either WDs or misses the cut and in doing so, steals the spotlight from the leaders.

I agree..............mostly the spotlight stealing.

[Taltarzac725]

Probably Tiger Woods will miss the cut if not be out before that because of continued back problems.

[jebartle]

Tiger was signing autographs.....Not sure I've EVER witnessed THAT!
I'm a believer in karma and when you give, sometimes it gives back...Good
example, Stacey Lewis did not give hand pats after second playoff hole last week,Brittney Lincicome did...

[village dreamer]

tiger will never again, be as good as he once was.

[alemorkam]

Withdrawal before end of round Friday.

[Topspinmo]

I hope he does well, if he didn't have so much money he would probably do a lot better. I don't he hungry any more. Take hungry as motivation to pass jack records.

[Buckeye Bob]

I will be surprised if he makes the cut and finishes the tournament.

[MrGolf]

I don't think you will see his courtesy car driving up Magnolia Lane on Saturday and Sunday

[Bjeanj]

Unfortunately, I think he will not do well, probably miss the cut. I think he's lost his focus and edge, IMHO.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Tiger was signing autographs.....Not sure I've EVER witnessed THAT!
I'm a believer in karma and when you give, sometimes it gives back...Good
example, Stacey Lewis did not give hand pats after second playoff hole last week,Brittney Lincicome did...

I've witnessed Tiger signing autographs on many occasions.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Normally I'd think that anyone that comes down with a case of the chip yips is pretty much done. It happened to me and a friend of mine that was one of the best amateurs in Massachusetts.

But, we're talking about Tiger Woods here. This guy has accomplished things and over come things that I would have thought were impossible. Nothing he does would surprise me. If he does come back I will be even more in awe of his enormous talent.

I would love to see him win this event. It would be great for the game of golf.

As far as him having too much money and that effecting his desire to win, he was given an $18,000,000 million contract by Titleist when he turned pro and that didn't effect him. After that contract expired, he signed an eighty million dollar contract with Nike and he kept winning and setting records. Money has never been a motivating factor for Tiger. His desire to be the best in the history of the game is what motivates him.

[newguyintv]

I hope he does well. I really miss watching him play good golf.

Holy S--t! I agree with you!

[anarick]

Normally I'd think that anyone that comes down with a case of the chip yips is pretty much done. It happened to me and a friend of mine that was one of the best amateurs in Massachusetts.

But, we're talking about Tiger Woods here. This guy has accomplished things and over come things that I would have thought were impossible. Nothing he does would surprise me. If he does come back I will be even more in awe of his enormous talent.

I would love to see him win this event. It would be great for the game of golf.

As far as him having too much money and that effecting his desire to win, he was given an $18,000,000 million contract by Titleist when he turned pro and that didn't effect him. After that contract expired, he signed an eighty million dollar contract with Nike and he kept winning and setting records. Money has never been a motivating factor for Tiger. His desire to be the best in the history of the game is what motivates him.

:BigApplause:

[The Great Fumar]

I shut it off, Couldn't stand the phony hugs......Can't wait for the weekend, He won't be around..................

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Wow!! A lot of Tiger hate in this thread.

[Polar Bear]

Wow!! A lot of Tiger hate in this thread.

Hmm. I re-read the entire thread. Quite a few don't think he will do well. (The thread does solicit predictions after all.) But not that much Tiger-hate that I see. A little, but not all that much.

[billethkid]

I dislike the fact he is playing.
The focus of the entire media will be on him.
Way too much dialogue will focus on him.
It is an unfair distraction and dis-service to the young stars of today.
At some point the reality should begin to set in ....Tiger Woods of yesterday and yesteryear are no more.

We can hope that if he does not do well the commentators have the good sense to concentrate on the stars of the day.

[john1953]

He will be on the leader board come sunday,John Daly told me so.

[Bonny]

Holy S--t! I agree with you!
:pepper2: :icon_wink:

[justjim]

He will be on the leader board come sunday,John Daly told me so.

With John Daly it was all three. 60 million John says he lost in Vegas---his book is an interesting read. As far as I know, it was primarily sex addiction that brought Tiger's life on a downward spiral. I doubt he makes the cut at the Masters, but if he does, he won't be a factor.

[tomwed]

"It's no coincidence that Mr. Woods was a no-show for the lowest-rated Masters since 1957."
from
Tiger Woods vs. Jordan Spieth: How Golf's Marketing Powerhouses Measure Up

[ditka41]

I hope he makes the cut and stages a "Sunday miracle" to finish in top 3. A good finish will genuinely improve his mindset. He's earned his fame and can overcome the negativity of past mistakes.

[jim1941]

Tiger is good for the game...just as Arnie, Gary and Jack were years ago. I hope he does well...maybe in the top ten. I love reading the hate mail....do you think "The Big Three" were faithful to their spouses?

[Polar Bear]

Tiger is good for the game...just as Arnie, Gary and Jack were years ago. I hope he does well...maybe in the top ten. I love reading the hate mail....do you think "The Big Three" were faithful to their spouses?
Wow. Infidelity is never a good thing. But there's infidelity and then there's what Tiger did. And Tiger may be good for the game, but I cringe at a comparison to the big three, especially Arnie.

And in answer to your question...yes...I think Arnie was faithful to his spouse. And I really have no reason to believe Jack and Gary were not also. Are you just assuming all major athletes are unfaithful?

I think your assumption regarding the big three is just as "hateful" as anything said in this thread about Tiger...possibly more so since you have nothing to base it on.

[Topspinmo]

Normally I'd think that anyone that comes down with a case of the chip yips is pretty much done. It happened to me and a friend of mine that was one of the best amateurs in Massachusetts.

But, we're talking about Tiger Woods here. This guy has accomplished things and over come things that I would have thought were impossible. Nothing he does would surprise me. If he does come back I will be even more in awe of his enormous talent.

I would love to see him win this event. It would be great for the game of golf.

As far as him having too much money and that effecting his desire to win, he was given an $18,000,000 million contract by Titleist when he turned pro and that didn't effect him. After that contract expired, he signed an eighty million

dollar contract with Nike and he kept winning and setting records. Money has never been a motivating factor for Tiger. His desire to be the best in the history of the game is what motivates him.

No but money will make you lazy, I think His biggest down fall was loosing his dad! He don't have that connection and good advice when he needs it. Especially when he started hanging with BB players.

[jim1941]

Polar Bear: That was a question that I didn't know the answer to....... not an assumption!

[Polar Bear]

Polar Bear: That was a question that I didn't know the answer to....... not an assumption!

Sounded very suggestive to me in context. But okay...fair enough.

[dolpterry]

Hope he gets cut so the golfers that are playing good get some air time. Can't stand hearing about him all week.

[Polar Bear]

Hope he gets cut so the golfers that are playing good get some air time. Can't stand hearing about him all week.
Even though it would be fun to watch him flame out on Saturday and/or Sunday :icon_twisted:, I can't disagree with your sentiment. :wave:

[tomwed]

This is Tiger's career earnings.

CAREER 311 275 79 24 185 246 69.5 1133 $109,612,414.00

Jack Nicklaus, who has the most all-time wins in the majors (18) and is third on the all-time PGA Tour wins list (73), won just $5.7 million in his career, or just $78,548 per win.
Arnold Palmer, who is fifth on the all-time wins list with 62 career PGA Tour victories, had just $1.9 million in career earnings, or just $30,030 per win.

[TheVillageChicken]

This is Tiger's career earnings.

CAREER 311 275 79 24 185 246 69.5 1133 $109,612,414.00

Jack Nicklaus, who has the most all-time wins in the majors (18) and is third on the all-time PGA Tour wins list (73), won just $5.7 million in his career, or just $78,548 per win.
Arnold Palmer, who is fifth on the all-time wins list with 62 career PGA Tour victories, had just $1.9 million in career earnings, or just $30,030 per win.

And we joined the country club and bought a second car in 1953 when my father started bringing home a hundred dollars a week.

[tomwed]

And we joined the country club and bought a second car in 1953 when my father started bringing home a hundred dollars a week.

1953 to today the Total Inflation is 779.45%.
So if you earned $100/week that is the equivalent of $800/week.

[mickey100]

Tiger opens with +1 73, middle of the pack, ahead of golfers like Snedecker, Furyk, Luke Donald, Dufner, Mahan,and Kaymer. Not bad after such a long layoff.

[rustyp]

Not bad +1. Behind Els, Garcia, Mickelson, Watson, Cabera and some 30 plus others. I suspect ESPN will change the focus slightly tomorrow since history was made today but that wasn't the script anticipated that sells commercial time.

[dolpterry]

9 strokes behind after the first round Priceless.

[billethkid]

Today's results certainly will affect his head and game tomorrow.
He is his own worst enemy now.

[jebartle]

behind a 21 year old Jordan Spieth, great kid...mature beyond his years.



9 strokes behind after the first round Priceless.

[jamesnoce]

1st practice round at Augusta was encouraging. Engaging with crowds, score on front nine was 30, smiles for his buds....Today a little more serious...
I sure would like to see a top ten finish.

Tiger won't make the cut

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Wow! I honestly do not understand all of the hate for Tiger Woods here. The guy is arguably the best who has ever played the game. Obviously there is going to be a lot of interest in him every time he tees it up. It's a story whether he plays well or plays poorly or doesn't play.

People here seem to be wishing that he won't make the cut or make the cut and play poorly on the weekend. Other people are implying that he has faked injury as an excuse to withdraw from tournaments. The guy has had back surgery. His back, much like Fred Couples' will always be an issue. If you think that he's a quitter, just look back to the 2008 US Open where not only did he finish with a knee that was extremely painful but beat Rocco Mediate in a playoff. The guy is tough. He doesn't give up.

Why aren't people upset about Rory McIlroy who is currently three shots behind Tiger?

I learned something about The Masters from an old golf professional many years ago. It doesn't always hold true but it's almost a pretty good bet, mostly because of the nature of the golf course and the field, that the score after 36 holes will be two or three shots of the winning score and the person leading after 36 doesn't usually win. Anyone who makes the cut usually has a chance to win with a good third round.

Right now, Jordan Spieth is playing golf of historic proportions. I'd love to see him keep it up and break all the records, but the odds and history are against that.

Nothing whatever happens in this tournament will not surprise me. Don't forget, when Tiger won his first tournament, he shot 40 on the first nine holes and was way back in the pack after the first round. Spieth could continue to play like he's been playing and shoot 30 under and break all records. He could come out tomorrow and shoot 80 and be back in the middle of the pack. Tiger is playing pretty well today. One good round tomorrow and he could be in the thick of it.

I've watched this tournament for a long time and the suspense is what makes it interesting. You really never know what to expect. People shoot lights out and people crash and burn. It's that kind of a golf course.

Don't forget, this is Tiger's first event after a long, long layoff. He has been injured physically and psychologically. It's my opinion that in spite of what he has said in press conferences that he was suffering from the chip yips. If that's the case, the fact that he is playing tournament golf at all is remarkable. Chip yips usually spells the end of a career. It's one of the reasons,along with a physical issue, that I don't play any longer.

I don't know of anyone who has ever overcome chip yips. And if this is indeed the case then Tiger has accomplished another super human feat.

[jebartle]

It's looking like you may have to eat those little words of wit!



Tiger won't make the cut

[mickey100]

It's looking like you may have to eat those little words of wit!

:bigbow:

Tied for 13th, and in for the weekend. I think most wood agree Tiger is good for the game of golf. Spieth had another incredible round. What a nice kid - I hope he can keep it going.

[mickey100]

Wow! I honestly do not understand all of the hate for Tiger Woods here. The guy is arguably the best who has ever played the game. Obviously there is going to be a lot of interest in him every time he tees it up. It's a story whether he plays well or plays poorly or doesn't play.

People here seem to be wishing that he won't make the cut or make the cut and play poorly on the weekend. Other people are implying that he has faked injury as an excuse to withdraw from tournaments. The guy has had back surgery. His back, much like Fred Couples' will always be an issue. If you think that he's a quitter, just look back to the 2008 US Open where not only did he finish with a knee that was extremely painful but beat Rocco Mediate in a playoff. The guy is tough. He doesn't give up.

Why aren't people upset about Rory McIlroy who is currently three shots behind Tiger?

I learned something about The Masters from an old golf professional many years ago. It doesn't always hold true but it's almost a pretty good bet, mostly because of the nature of the golf course and the field, that the score after 36 holes will be two or three shots of the winning score and the person leading after 36 doesn't usually win. Anyone who makes the cut usually has a chance to win with a good third round.

Right now, Jordan Spieth is playing golf of historic proportions. I'd love to see him keep it up and break all the records, but the odds and history are against that.

Nothing whatever happens in this tournament will not surprise me. Don't forget, when Tiger won his first tournament, he shot 40 on the first nine holes and was way back in the pack after the first round. Spieth could continue to play like he's been playing and shoot 30 under and break all records. He could come out tomorrow and shoot 80 and be back in the middle of the pack. Tiger is playing pretty well today. One good round tomorrow and he could be in the thick of it.

I've watched this tournament for a long time and the suspense is what makes it interesting. You really never know what to expect. People shoot lights out and people crash and burn. It's that kind of a golf course.

Don't forget, this is Tiger's first event after a long, long layoff. He has been injured physically and psychologically. It's my opinion that in spite of what he has said in press conferences that he was suffering from the chip yips. If that's the case, the fact that he is playing tournament golf at all is remarkable. Chip yips usually spells the end of a career. It's one of the reasons,along with a physical issue, that I don't play any longer.

I don't know of anyone who has ever overcome chip yips. And if this is indeed the case then Tiger has accomplished another super human feat.

Well said. He is one of the best players in the history of the game. If anyone can do something superhuman, its Tiger.

[Bonny]

Yay !! Congratulations to Tiger, 2 under. I look forward to watching him this weekend. :a040:
Also, way to go Jordan Spieth !!

[tomwed]

Now that Tiger has his short game back, I'm personally disappointed.

Since I moved down here I had two golf goals.
1] to drive the ball further than I can see
2] to chip and putt like Tiger Woods

In February I drove the ball 200 yards which is now further than I can see and I was chipping and putting just as good as Tiger.

[Bosoxfan]

Tiger won't make the cut

How do you like him now?

[mickey100]

He was off so long due to his back surgery and resulting poor play, that to make the cut in the Masters, one of the most difficult venues on tour, is pretty amazing. None of us can really appreciate how difficult it is to maintain a competitive edge on the PGA tour. Making the cut was a huge accomplishment for Tiger. He has virtually no chance of winning, but it will be interesting to see if he could come up with another couple of good rounds and possibly a top 10 finish.

[Polar Bear]

Tiger has done well to make the cut. And it appears he's overcome the chip-yips, which is another big accomplishment...although you can never assume something like that is behind you forever. The yips are very insidious, as many golfers know, myself included.

But so far the weekend...and the past month or so...belongs to the next great 21-year-old, Mr. Spieth. Only he can allow all the others to have even a chance to get back in the hunt for the title. Appears unlikely the way he is playing. What a talent!

[JoMar]

tiger will never again, be as good as he once was.

As none of us will be either, or Jack, or Arnie or Gary or so many that raised the level and popularity of the game. Now you have a large number of 20 somethings that are all competitive, hit long drives and score well. No dominance yet, and until there is, golf will be what it was, talented athletes without that standout that attracts.

[JoMar]

Tiger won't make the cut

Hey James, he made the cut

[tomwed]

If you are a fan, he is having a great round. You can see it online live click here (http://www.masters.com/en_US/watch/live.html?videoChannel=fg2&promo=hero_live_FowlerSettingthePaceonMovingDay)

He's paired up with Garcia. They are not the best of friends.

[Polar Bear]

I predict that, regardless of how his play the remainder of the weekend turns out, Tiger will continue to display behavior that is below the dignity of the game and its top players.

He hit a very bad drive on #13 today, and after letting his driver fly out of his hand...doesn't actually 'throw' it, just let's it go before the swing is even finished (what the heck is that anyway?)...he drops the 'f' bomb twice, once along with reference to the supreme being. Broadcasters later apologized if viewers happened to hear.

I'm no prude and don't claim to be, but I just can't get past this sort of behavior. Nobody's perfect. But all these golfers know there are cameras and microphones everywhere. Their actions will be seen and heard by the world. Most of the golfers conduct themselves with dignity because that's their character. Some others likely suppress some tendencies. But very few show such lack of class.

IMHO.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This is now a golf tournament. Speith had a huge lead but now it's only 4 shots. Tiger is seven shots back tied for 5th. He actually has an outside shot to win.

[mickey100]

I predict that, regardless of how his play the remainder of the weekend turns out, Tiger will continue to display behavior that is below the dignity of the game and its top players.

He hit a very bad drive on #13 today, and after letting his driver fly out of his hand...doesn't actually 'throw' it, just let's it go before the swing is even finished (what the heck is that anyway?)...he drops the 'f' bomb twice, once along with reference to the supreme being. Broadcasters later apologized if viewers happened to hear.

I'm no prude and don't claim to be, but I just can't get past this sort of behavior. Nobody's perfect. But all these golfers know there are cameras and microphones everywhere. Their actions will be seen and heard by the world. Most of the golfers conduct themselves with dignity because that's their character. Some others likely suppress some tendencies. But very few show such lack of class.

IMHO.

I guess you missed the part where McIlroy hit a bad shot and said "F" me. Do your comments apply to Rory as well?

[Polar Bear]

I guess you missed the part where McIlroy hit a bad shot and said "F" me. Do your comments apply to Rory as well?

Of course they do. Rory threw a club in a lake too. He acts up a couple dozen more times and he'll be right up there with Tiger.

[jimbo2012]

Maybe they make so much money they just don't care about the general public's opinion.

Having said that, it's bad for the sport

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Maybe they make so much money they just don't care about the general public's opinion.

Having said that, it's bad for the sport

I don't think that it has anything to do with money. I also believe that they are very concerned about their image and public opinion. These things sometimes come out of people in bad situations.

One of the difficulties in being a PGA tour player is that there are microphones everywhere. I would imagine that if they had mics on a football field, baseball field, hockey rink or basketball court we'd hear a lot worse. But in golf, they stick the mics right next to every tee and then expect these guys to be perfect.

No one is implying that Tiger or Rory or any of these guys is a saint. They're human beings with faults like everyone else. Sometimes the lose a bit of control.

Most of them do it occasionally. They just all don't get caught. And you have to remember that the camera has been on Tiger more than anyone in the history of the sport. It's likely that he'll get caught a bit more then the average tour player.

[mickey100]

Lot's of the players swear. It might not be the "F" word, but you hear "Sh_T" and other variations pretty frequently. There are video clips online of Els and Freddie Couples swearing, actually using the "F" word. Its a tough game, with a lot of money on the line and the resulting stress, and when they make a bad shot a lot of them wear their emotions on their sleeve.

[Uberschaf]

Tiger's not done yet.Give him a break.I met him at the BC Open when he first started playing pro a solid man as we all are.Do not cut him short.Best to Tiger!

[rustyp]

This is now a golf tournament. Speith had a huge lead but now it's only 4 shots. Tiger is seven shots back tied for 5th. He actually has an outside shot to win.

Speith led round 1 by 3 strokes. At the end of round 2 he was 5 strokes up. Today he is now 4 strokes up. Where did I miss the huge lead he blew? It doesn't matter who keeps flipping their name into second place. Whoever they are is still 4 strokes down Vs 5 down before today ever happened.

[billethkid]

Speith led round 1 by 3 strokes. At the end of round 2 he was 5 strokes up. Today he is now 4 strokes up. Where did I miss the huge lead he blew? It doesn't matter who keeps flipping their name into second place. Whoever they are is still 4 strokes down Vs 5 down before today ever happened.

Let's hope Spieth can keep it together for 18 more.
He has done so thus far. However the pressure of tomorrow itself, Justin Rose and Phil Mickelson breathing down his back will be difficult to not be affected by their presence.

I hope Sieth does maintain his cool demeanor and compusure....play very conservative golf.....let the followers do the work......and then for him to break many more course records.

He is a pleasure to watch. Another of the new faces of golf.

[tomwed]

Tiger jammed his right side. He hit a root. He played better earlier this week. Now his tee shots are off and he's scrambling. Watching him scramble is entertaining too.

I don't usually watch golf. I have the tv on cbs and I have my laptop online at
2015 Masters Live Stream and Coverage - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/masters-live?ttag=ML15_promobar_pga_phase2_watchonlinetv_s atsun)

You get 2 different shows earlier. As it gets closer to the finish you get to see a lot more of the tournament.

[rustyp]

Best Masters ever. CBS did a good job of balanced coverage today. I appreciate I got to watch the leader and those that had any resemblance of a shot to lead for the majority of the broadcast.

[TheVillageChicken]

Tiger finished better than I thought he would, tied for 17th. He will split the purse for 17th and 18th with his pal, Sergio and will take home $155,000.00. Not exactly chump change, but he could have made more if he had been caddying for Jordan Spieth.

[billethkid]

I would like to add my congratulations on how the Master's was reported every single day.

They covered it as one would expect. They did not do the usual fawning and talking unendingly about Tiger. It turned out to be a service to their reporting and did well for Tiger.

Tiger's interviews showed a seemingly more humbling (if that is the right word?) person. First time I have enjoyed watching him for a long time.

And no words describe Jordan Spieth other than what a fantastic performance. Just steady, never rattled always composed. His patter with his caddy displays how they truly honor and respect each other.

Best four days of golf watching in a long time.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Speith led round 1 by 3 strokes. At the end of round 2 he was 5 strokes up. Today he is now 4 strokes up. Where did I miss the huge lead he blew? It doesn't matter who keeps flipping their name into second place. Whoever they are is still 4 strokes down Vs 5 down before today ever happened.

Yea, you're right. I guess what I was looking at was the only one close after the first two rounds was Charlie Hoffman and I honestly didn't expect him to hold up. The others were way behind him. After three rounds there were many more players, including Tiger, that had a legitimate chance to win.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

He's obviously not all the way back yet, but he finished tied for 17th and had a chance to contend after three rounds. He played poorly today and shot himself out of it.

But for those Tiger haters and those who think that he's done, he finished higher than, Henrick Stenson, Louie Oosthuizen, Russ Henley, Keegan Bradley, Patrick Reed, Ernie Els, Charlie Hoffman, Webb Simpson, Jason Day, Jonathan Blixt, Jamie Donaldson, Ryan Palmer, Jimmy Walker, Bubba Watson and a host of others.

I don't hear anyone declaring that anyone of them are finished.

Tiger also dislocated a bone in his hand when he hit a tree root on the ninth hole. That didn't stop him. He push it back into place and kept trying.

A little more work on his swing and I think that he might start contending again.

Will ever be the Tiger of fifteen years ago? No, he's almost 40 years old and he'll never be as good as he once was, but he still may become a major force. Will he get to Jack's 18 majors? I highly doubt that now. Four more after the age of forty is a bit too much to expect, especially with the number of injuries and surgeries he's had. I don't know that his body will hold up. But again, we're talking Tiger Woods here. It seems that nothing is impossible for this guy. Look at Phil at 45 years old, Ernie Els and several others now playing competitively until they are 50. Vijay Singh plays on both tours as have several others.

But even without 18 majors an argument can be made that he is the greatest player in history. He has the most wins and many scoring records. He also has the highest winning percentage in history. At one time, in his prime, he won 25% of the tournaments in which he played.

He also played against deeper fields than Jack, Arnie, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead or Bobby Jones. He also is the only person in history to hold all four major championship titles at the same time.

These things, of course, are always subjective. There is no standard on which to determine the greatest ever. It's all opinion. But, a reasonable argument could be made in his favor. If I'm not mistaken, Jack Nicklaus called him the greatest player who ever lived.

It'll be interesting to see if he comes al the way back and wins some tournaments and possibly some more majors. It'll be even more difficult now because the fields are even deeper then they were when he was in his prime.
Every player out there has a good chance of winning every week.

[mickey100]

It was a great tournament. Nice to see Tiger back on track, and fantastic to see Spieth convert his good play into a major win. I'm sure he will have many more.

[jebartle]

:bigbow::bigbow:



He's obviously not all the way back yet, but he finished tied for 17th and had a chance to contend after three rounds. He played poorly today and shot himself out of it.

But for those Tiger haters and those who think that he's done, he finished higher than, Henrick Stenson, Louie Oosthuizen, Russ Henley, Keegan Bradley, Patrick Reed, Ernie Els, Charlie Hoffman, Webb Simpson, Jason Day, Jonathan Blixt, Jamie Donaldson, Ryan Palmer, Jimmy Walker, Bubba Watson and a host of others.

I don't hear anyone declaring that anyone of them are finished.

Tiger also dislocated a bone in his hand when he hit a tree root on the ninth hole. That didn't stop him. He push it back into place and kept trying.

A little more work on his swing and I think that he might start contending again.

Will ever be the Tiger of fifteen years ago? No, he's almost 40 years old and he'll never be as good as he once was, but he still may become a major force. Will he get to Jack's 18 majors? I highly doubt that now. Four more after the age of forty is a bit too much to expect, especially with the number of injuries and surgeries he's had. I don't know that his body will hold up. But again, we're talking Tiger Woods here. It seems that nothing is impossible for this guy. Look at Phil at 45 years old, Ernie Els and several others now playing competitively until they are 50. Vijay Singh plays on both tours as have several others.

But even without 18 majors an argument can be made that he is the greatest player in history. He has the most wins and many scoring records. He also has the highest winning percentage in history. At one time, in his prime, he won 25% of the tournaments in which he played.

He also played against deeper fields than Jack, Arnie, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead or Bobby Jones. He also is the only person in history to hold all four major championship titles at the same time.

These things, of course, are always subjective. There is no standard on which to determine the greatest ever. It's all opinion. But, a reasonable argument could be made in his favor. If I'm not mistaken, Jack Nicklaus called him the greatest player who ever lived.

It'll be interesting to see if he comes al the way back and wins some tournaments and possibly some more majors. It'll be even more difficult now because the fields are even deeper then they were when he was in his prime.
Every player out there has a good chance of winning every week.

[DonH57]

I enjoyed watching the tournament. Congrats to Spieth on an excellent game. I was pleased Phil Mickelson did well and Tiger did better than I thought he would. I hope he continues improving. It will be great to watch these younger players in upcoming games.

[kcrazorbackfan]

After the fact - who cares? As much as the focus should have been on Jordan Speith, it was Tiger, Tiger, Tiger. The Golf Channel will probably will probably devote way too much time now about his hitting the tree root and whining about his wrist.

With his attitude and his philandering around with skanks long ago, he lost mine and a lot of other's respect.

[PennBF]

How many saw him [Tiger] ignore the children reaching out to touch him and the time he lifted his arm to avoid a little child. Or how about him wearing that white bandaide on his finger in all of the tournaments. I thought assistant from any object on your hand that would help in your grip or swing was against the rules. How does he get away from it.
I also saw him at the US Open in Wing Foot and he had police surround him and would not let children near him. He does not sign autographs. Compare this to the other significant golfers including Spieth who welcomed the children and touched them as they went from tee to tee. Nicklaus, Floyd, Chi Chi, Palmer, et al always signed for the kids and waited around after a round to do just that. In the case of the "Dislocated" wrist. The one announcer said he had never heard of such a thing. Had heard of shoulders, etc. but never a wrist. He did say in the end "I guess it could happen?" As the saying goes, "how he sows so shall he reap".. :ohdear:

[dolpterry]

Getting thumped by his playing on Sunday-SWEET. At one time he had game but at no time has he had class. Sorry just to many great players out there that show respect for the game and life on and off the course to ever support him.

[jebartle]

the right guy won....Speith is such a breathe of fresh air and looking forward to many more wins from this "youngster".... :a040:

[Polar Bear]

...At one time he had game but at no time has he had class...just to many great players out there that show respect for the game and life on and off the course to ever support him.
:agree:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

How many saw him [Tiger] ignore the children reaching out to touch him and the time he lifted his arm to avoid a little child. Or how about him wearing that white bandaide on his finger in all of the tournaments. I thought assistant from any object on your hand that would help in your grip or swing was against the rules. How does he get away from it.
I also saw him at the US Open in Wing Foot and he had police surround him and would not let children near him. He does not sign autographs. Compare this to the other significant golfers including Spieth who welcomed the children and touched them as they went from tee to tee. Nicklaus, Floyd, Chi Chi, Palmer, et al always signed for the kids and waited around after a round to do just that. In the case of the "Dislocated" wrist. The one announcer said he had never heard of such a thing. Had heard of shoulders, etc. but never a wrist. He did say in the end "I guess it could happen?" As the saying goes, "how he sows so shall he reap".. :ohdear:

It's actually pretty rare for players to touch hands with gallery members these days. For one thing, there are so many germs out there that most of them will try to avoid contact with people that they don't know. Their sponsors and others around them advise them not to make physical contact. Another reason is that an athlete's hands and fingers are extremely important to them. They do not want to risk spraining or breaking a finger. I've met hundreds of professional athletes and they are very reluctant to shake hands. That's what the fist bump is all about.

Thirdly, they are trying to concentrate on what they are doing. This is extremely difficult for those on the top of the game. Tiger has more demands on his time than almost anyone in sports today. He is subject to more distractions than anyone. Some players can talk and joke with the gallery, some need to focus 100%, 100% of the time. It's more about how their brain works than personality.

Trevino use his chatter to distract himself from the nervousness of the situation. Nicklaus could never have done that. Hogan was in in "the zone" all of the time on the golf course. So much so that he didn't recognize his wife in one instance. Off the course he was very friendly and sociable with his friends. Phil Mickelson nods and smiles at the people all the time. He is very comfortable with that but he is one of the exceptions. You'll notice that he makes very little physical contact with gallery members for the reason that I stated above.

How would you like it if when you were working, thousands of people were yelling and trying to touch you. What must it be like for thousands of people to want to shake your hand while you are trying to do your job?

Again, some people can do it and others simply cannot. It has nothing to do with what kind of person they are. It's just about their way of focusing. Most do not have to deal with it on the level that Tiger has.

As far as the tape on his fingers, plain tape and band aids are allowed. Read the rule book. He's not getting away with any thing. The term "grasping at straws" come to mind here.

I just don't get all the Tiger hate here.

Take a look at some of his charitable organizations. Look at what he does for the needy and the sick. I think that that says a lot more about a man than how he has to conduct himself on the golf course.

[Polar Bear]

...Take a look at some of his charitable organizations. Look at what he does for the needy and the sick. I think that that says a lot more about a man than how he has to conduct himself on the golf course.

Give credit to the man for his charitable contributions. But I still can't believe you're using his personal conduct off the course as an argument in his favor.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Give credit to the man for his charitable contributions. But I still can't believe you're using his personal conduct off the course as an argument in his favor.

To what personal conduct off the course are you referring. He made a huge mistake by cheating on his wife. He got caught and paid a bigger price than any of us could imagine. He got help for the issue and is evidently doing well. He has a very good relationship with Lindsey Vonn and is an excellent father to his kid. He and his ex wife have even gotten together for dinner with her new husband and Vonn.

What else should he be doing? Or do we just hold this against him for the rest of his life.

I'm telling you, I've been around the guy. He's great with kids and autographs when he has the time. He gave my son a golf ball that he played with in the Ryder Cup. He just doesn't have the time that many other players have and there is more demands on his time than any other player.

[Polar Bear]

To what personal conduct off the course are you referring. He made a huge mistake by cheating on his wife. He got caught and paid a bigger price than any of us could imagine. He got help for the issue and is evidently doing well. He has a very good relationship with Lindsey Vonn and is an excellent father to his kid. He and his ex wife have even gotten together for dinner with her new husband and Vonn.



What else should he be doing? Or do we just hold this against him for the rest of his life.



I'm telling you, I've been around the guy. He's great with kids and autographs when he has the time. He gave my son a golf ball that he played with in the Ryder Cup. He just doesn't have the time that many other players have and there is more demands on his time than any other player.

So Doc, there is nobody in all of sport that you simply have a bit of an issue with?

I wish Tiger no ill fortune. But He doesn't have to be one of my favorites either. "Cheating on his wife" is a gross understatement. Few golfers or other athletes have his frequency of foul mouth and angry attitude if all doesn't go his way. He rarely admits that he was simply beaten...it's always if-only-this or if-only-that.

I truly hope Tiger does well...in life and in golf. But pardon me if I look elsewhere for athletes that I have a natural inclination to support.

[pivo]

For being a professional these many years and still can't control himself right up to the past masters, with his filthy mouth and attitude.
And for people to say he loves his kids and his girl friend Vonn, you have no idea how
he treats them, When he can't handle himself in front of millions of people watching him,
I think he's worse when he's in private life because it's only him and the person he's yelling and screaming at with his filthy mouth.
He's a disgrace to the game of golf period.

[Bonny]

For being a professional these many years and still can't control himself right up to the past masters, with his filthy mouth and attitude.
And for people to say he loves his kids and his girl friend Vonn, you have no idea how
he treats them, When he can't handle himself in front of millions of people watching him,
I think he's worse when he's in private life because it's only him and the person he's yelling and screaming at with his filthy mouth.
He's a disgrace to the game of golf period.
Hmmmm, my guess is you don't like Tiger.

[pivo]

Bonny--- I don't praise people who don't deserve to be praised.
I also heard in the past O.J. didn't kill his wife because he loved his children.
Tiger comes from the same mold except the murder part.

[tomwed]

I wonder how much hate mail and threats Tiger gets. He's a billionaire. It's not like he needs one more prize fight or year playing football to be set for life. He's in good shape but he's old. Everytime he takes off his hat and I see that bald spot I'm reminded.

He's the underdog now. And it's the American way to root for the underdog. Let's face it, if Crenshaw cought lightning in a jar...............................

I'm surprised he is as normal as he is. He's been under a microscope since he was 3 and on the Merv Griffin show. Was there any other athletes under the microscope so long?

Who else was under a microscope that you know?
JFK jr
Ron Howard
Judy Garland
Mickey Rooney
maybe John Lennon's sons

How Ron Howard turned out so normal is truly a credit to his upbringing and his own sense of worth. Ron was competing though so it's quite different I suppose.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Bonny--- I don't praise people who don't deserve to be praised.
I also heard in the past O.J. didn't kill his wife because he loved his children.
Tiger comes from the same mold except the murder part.

Yea, that tiny little murder thing.

It's amazing that you can seriously equate someone who uses bad language with someone who stabbed two people to death.

The hate for Tiger is simply astounding. And this post demonstrates it.

[Bonny]

I wonder how much hate mail and threats Tiger gets. He's a billionaire. It's not like he needs one more prize fight or year playing football to be set for life. He's in good shape but he's old. Everytime he takes off his hat and I see that bald spot I'm reminded.

He's the underdog now. And it's the American way to root for the underdog. Let's face it, if Crenshaw cought lightning in a jar...............................

I'm surprised he is as normal as he is. He's been under a microscope since he was 3 and on the Merv Griffin show. Was there any other athletes under the microscope so long?

Who else was under a microscope that you know?
JFK jr
Ron Howard
Judy Garland
Mickey Rooney
maybe John Lennon's sons

How Ron Howard turned out so normal is truly a credit to his upbringing and his own sense of worth.
Michael Jackson definitely comes to mind. Sometimes it's really sad.

[Bonny]

Bonny--- I don't praise people who don't deserve to be praised.
I also heard in the past O.J. didn't kill his wife because he loved his children.
Tiger comes from the same mold except the murder part.
How did murder come into the conversation ?? !!

[tomwed]

Michael Jackson definitely comes to mind. Sometimes it's really sad.
thanks, you're right
I forgot about him.
They say that men in Japan go a little bit crazy after they succeeded. They say they work so hard, right through adolescence and the teenage years they make up for lost time later.

I can't relate to that. My grades weren't so good.

[mickey100]

Yea, that tiny little murder thing.

It's amazing that you can seriously equate someone who uses bad language with someone who stabbed two people to death.

The hate for Tiger is simply astounding. And this post demonstrates it.

I think we all know where the hate is coming from, and its not because he let's loose some swear words on the golf course (like many other players do).

[rustyp]

Just ask yourself - what would you tell your children ? Emulate Tiger or Jorden?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So Doc, there is nobody in all of sport that you simply have a bit of an issue with?

I wish Tiger no ill fortune. But He doesn't have to be one of my favorites either. "Cheating on his wife" is a gross understatement. Few golfers or other athletes have his frequency of foul mouth and angry attitude if all doesn't go his way. He rarely admits that he was simply beaten...it's always if-only-this or if-only-that.

I truly hope Tiger does well...in life and in golf. But pardon me if I look elsewhere for athletes that I have a natural inclination to support.

Evidently, you've never been on a professional sports field. If you had, you would make such a silly statement as this. Foul language and anger in sports is very common. Less so in golf because the USGA and PGA clamp down on it.

As far as him making excuses, I don't know what interviews you're listening to. Every time I hear him, he talks about how he didn't do this or that he putted poorly or that he didn't get it done. He also often complements his opponents.

When Darren Clarke beat him in the match play event a number of years ago, many of the reporters were surprised. He stated that he was surprised at all because he knows how great a player Darren is.

I've never heard him complain that he somehow got some bad break or that the course was unfair or that he had a bad lie. He always puts the blame on himself. Maybe that's what you consider if only this or only that, but what he almost always says is that if he had putted better or drove it better or played better he could have won. I don't consider that as making excuses.

[pivo]

Dr. Boogie---You say I Hate Tiger-- No I dislike Tiger.
And my point is as you said he loves Vonn and his kids, please explain how you know this.
I said prior that's what they said about O.J. he loved his kids too much to kill his wife
I suspect you said the same thing about O.J.
All I can say watching Tiger for years lose his temper about every tournament he's in
I think he can get very nasty and physical , even though he loves his kids and mistress,

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Just ask yourself - what would you tell your children ? Emulate Tiger or Jorden?

Tiger has faults, no doubt about that. I don't condone or defend his bad language, but I do understand it. It's not uncommon in professional sports. Tiger is caught a lot more because he's on camera a lot more than most players. And lately, he's been hitting a lot more bad shots than he's used to.

Jordan Spieth is a fine player and a mature young man. He conducts himself very well. Most people said the same thing about Tiger before the incident with his wife.

I can tell you that I don't know of anyone that works harder at golf than Tiger. I can also tell you that I've seen him around groups of kids doing clinics and signing autographs and he's great with them.

He sought and received help for his sex problems. From what I understand, he is very sorry for what happened and has mended his ways. Lindsey Vonn would not be around for so long if she didn't think that he was sincere about that.

Maybe he should seek some help in controlling his emotions and not using foul language. But I don't think that even that would deter some people from hating him.

[Polar Bear]

Evidently, you've never been on a professional sports field. If you had, you would make such a silly statement as this. Foul language and anger in sports is very common. Less so in golf because the USGA and PGA clamp down on it....
I would put my experience on pro sports fields up against yours any day. And speaking of making silly statements...your acceptance and enabling of Tiger's behavior takes the cake.

You bet athletes swear and display anger, but the vast majority know how to control it and avoid having their occasional failures displayed to the world. Tiger just doesn't care. He thinks he's above it all. You appear to agree. I don't.

I also agree with what others have said and I've avoided chiming in on...you give yourself far too much credit for knowing what Tiger thinks and what he does behind the scenes. He may be a saint for all we know, but his demeanor and actions in front of an interview camera are no indication.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Dr. Boogie---You say I Hate Tiger-- No I dislike Tiger.
And my point is as you said he loves Vonn and his kids, please explain how you know this.
I said prior that's what they said about O.J. he loved his kids too much to kill his wife
I suspect you said the same thing about O.J.
All I can say watching Tiger for years lose his temper about every tournament he's in
I think he can get very nasty and physical , even though he loves his kids and mistress,

While I wouldn't say that I'm an acquaintance of Tiger. I have met him and I know people that are close to him. But, I only say this about Vonn because she has stuck by him for a long time. I doubt that she would put up with the traits that you imagine he has.

And you say that you have watched him lose his temper in just about every tournament he's in. Really? Every tournament he's in? I'd say those incidents are few and far between. It seems that once again, you and I watch two different broadcasts of the same events.

Yes, he gets angry at himself on the golf course ands wear his heart on his sleeve. Different players deal with the stress and disappointment of professional golf in different ways. Some find that it is in their best interest to not express themselves, to try to control their anger and pretend that they are not angry. Some like Tiger and many others before him vent. It helps them to calm down and prepare for the next shot.

His anger on the golf course is always directed at himself, never at another person or external conditions. He gets angry, frustrated might actually be a better word, because he has worked so hard to become a great player. Again, I don't think that most people understand what he goes through to accomplish what he has. It has to be very frustrating to spend all of those hours in the gym, at the range and everything else to then hit a horrible shot in an important competition. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that he has any kind of anger issues off the course. There is nothing to indicate that he's ever directed his anger toward anyone but himself.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I would put my experience on pro sports fields up against yours any day. And speaking of making silly statements...your acceptance and enabling of Tiger's behavior takes the cake.

You bet athletes swear and display anger, but the vast majority know how to control it and avoid having their occasional failures displayed to the world. Tiger just doesn't care. He thinks he's above it all. You appear to agree. I don't.

I also agree with what others have said and I've avoided chiming in on...you give yourself far too much credit for knowing what Tiger thinks and what he does behind the scenes. He may be a saint for all we know, but his demeanor and actions in front of an interview camera are no indication.
I would not be willing to put my experience on professional sports fields up against yours as I have no idea who you are. You could be Bo Jackson for all I know. Funny that you're willing to do it no knowing who I am or what my background is. But I do know that I have been on a lot professional sports fields and I have always heard a lot of foul language. Maybe your experience is different.

Again, we evidently watch two different series of interviews. I see him calmly answering questions and and taking responsibility for himself pretty much all the time.

And for the record, I don't enable Tiger's foul language. I'd have to be a lot closer to him in order to do that.

But you are right, he may be a saint off the field but you don't know that. But, you and many people here seem to assume that he's not because he occasionally gets caught using a bad word or displaying his anger on the course in very stressful situations.

[Polar Bear]

...he may be a saint off the field but you don't know that. But, you and many people here seem to assume that he's not because he occasionally gets caught using a bad word or displaying his anger on the course in very stressful situations.
Your blind support for Tiger is showing. My problems with Tiger have either been extremely well documented, or on display for all to see. No assumptions have ever been necessary.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Just ask yourself - what would you tell your children ? Emulate Tiger or Jorden?

After I thought about this for a while, it occurred to me that if my kids ever got caught in some bad behavior, I would hope that they would emulate Tiger in that they would own up to it, apologize to everyone that they hurt, seek help and not repeat the behavior. I think that Tiger did all of this with a lot of class. He didn't blame anyone. Although it's very well known on the tour that one of the biggest problems a lot of these kids face is beautiful women throwing themselves at them he never brought that up. He took responsibility for his actions and changed his ways.

Kind of like " You are forgiven. Go forth and do not sin again".

[jblum315]

Well, it's over and Tiger didn't even come close to winning, but he didn't disgrace himself either.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Your blind support for Tiger is showing. My problems with Tiger have either been extremely well documented, or on display for all to see. No assumptions have ever been necessary.

I don't know how well documented any of it is, unless to call people posting their opinions on forums like this documentation. And as far as being on display for everyone to see, not everyone sees these things the same way. You can read whatever you want into things that are said or the way they are said or the way that you take them to be said. That doesn't mean that they are true.

Like I say, I know people who know Tiger. Some of them have been in his inner circle. None of them have the opinion of him that the Tiger haters have.

[Polar Bear]

I don't know how well documented any of it is, unless to call people posting their opinions on forums like this documentation. And as far as being on display for everyone to see, not everyone sees these things the same way. You can read whatever you want into things that are said or the way they are said or the way that you take them to be said. That doesn't mean that they are true.

Like I say, I know people who know Tiger. Some of them have been in his inner circle. None of them have the opinion of him that the Tiger haters have.
First of all, if you're including me in the Tiger-hater crowd, I am not. Read my posts. I have wished him no ill and in fact have stated I wish him well. But I don't think you'll be satisfied until I lobby for his sainthood. Don't hold your breath.

Again, you appear to be blind to the facts. His actions have been extremely well documented and and first-hand visible to all.

[dolpterry]

For the people who think Tiger is so great because of his charitable organizations, I do give him credit for them. But you must realize they are all setup by his group of advisors and are a huge tax write off, he may get name credit for them but just how much doe's he really do himself. I must say this is the same with most high end athletes in all sports and not just Tiger. But not a reason to put him on a pedestal.

[rustyp]

After I thought about this for a while, it occurred to me that if my kids ever got caught in some bad behavior, I would hope that they would emulate Tiger in that they would own up to it, apologize to everyone that they hurt, seek help and not repeat the behavior. I think that Tiger did all of this with a lot of class. He didn't blame anyone. Although it's very well known on the tour that one of the biggest problems a lot of these kids face is beautiful women throwing themselves at them he never brought that up. He took responsibility for his actions and changed his ways.

Kind of like " You are forgiven. Go forth and do not sin again".

YEP - somehow in America today if one says "I take full responsibility for my actions" all is supposed to be forgiven. Well sometimes you just can't take hurt back. I don't see Tiger's mom coming to the tournaments any more.

You do realize we are talking about men hitting a ball with a stick. I don't subscribe to they are entitled because of their stress. My spouse worked in an operating room for her career. She would ground me when I was stressed out (I was so important because my salary was much higher than hers) - "what happened to you today dear is not the cure for cancer". I have never saved a life - I can't count how many times my spouse may have. She never swore, spit, tugged at her crotch, and refused to talk with her co-workers or patients. She most likely would have been dismissed. Now sit at the dinner table and explain to your children how these athletes have a right to release their stress.

This is getting over the top. I am not a Tiger hater either. I respect him for being a great golfer. A class act - never.

[redwitch]

I find golf about as interesting as I do cricket and I once went to a cricket match and literally started watching to see if the grass would grow (it didn't). That being said, Tiger did make the game somewhat interesting, both in his prime and his comeback attempts. Without him, the game would have half as many viewers and a lot less money to go around. He did bring the game to the masses.

His personal life is just that -- his personal life. Most of us had a chance to have a misspent youth. We learned while we were growing up. He didn't have that chance. He was an athlete before he was a kid. He had a father who controlled every moment of his life. These are not conducive to making a well-rounded individual. He was raised on military bases. Considering the language heard on a base on a daily basis, I'm surprised he doesn't curse more than he does.

I'm sorry to see the gloating when he doesn't do well, especially by the fans. He deserves better. He brought a lot to the game and still does. Why he keeps pushing himself so hard is beyond me. He has nothing to prove and certainly doesn't need the money. So, I guess it is because he does love the game, feels he still has something to prove to himself and maybe owes something to his legion of fans.

So, congrats to Mr. Spieth for winning. Hope he can do it a few more times. Kudos to Tiger for coming in the money and here's hoping his body lets him win a few more tournaments.

[graciegirl]

I find golf about as interesting as I do cricket and I once went to a cricket match and literally started watching to see if the grass would grow (it didn't). That being said, Tiger did make the game somewhat interesting, both in his prime and his comeback attempts. Without him, the game would have half as many viewers and a lot less money to go around. He did bring the game to the masses.

His personal life is just that -- his personal life. Most of us had a chance to have a misspent youth. We learned while we were growing up. He didn't have that chance. He was an athlete before he was a kid. He had a father who controlled every moment of his life. These are not conducive to making a well-rounded individual. He was raised on military bases. Considering the language heard on a base on a daily basis, I'm surprised he doesn't curse more than he does.

I'm sorry to see the gloating when he doesn't do well, especially by the fans. He deserves better. He brought a lot to the game and still does. Why he keeps pushing himself so hard is beyond me. He has nothing to prove and certainly doesn't need the money. So, I guess it is because he does love the game, feels he still has something to prove to himself and maybe owes something to his legion of fans.

So, congrats to Mr. Spieth for winning. Hope he can do it a few more times. Kudos to Tiger for coming in the money and here's hoping his body lets him win a few more tournaments.

That's just it. Most of us didn't have a misspent youth. I would guess that most people who live in The Villages are at the top of the curve when it comes to rule following, working hard, planning and saving and staying out of trouble, not all of us, but most of us..

Arnie Palmer and Jack Nicklaus are MY hero's. There is a word for what Tiger did among Professional Athletes . It's called Sport F******. Not everyone does it, women thrown at them or not. One of the reasons I love Golf is that it has a much better overall reputation for it's top Pros.

Yay Gordon. Tiger, you had it all and threw it away.

[graciegirl]

YEP - somehow in America today if one says "I take full responsibility for my actions" all is supposed to be forgiven. Well sometimes you just can't take hurt back. I don't see Tiger's mom coming to the tournaments any more.

You do realize we are talking about men hitting a ball with a stick. I don't subscribe to they are entitled because of their stress. My spouse worked in an operating room for her career. She would ground me when I was stressed out (I was so important because my salary was much higher than hers) - "what happened to you today dear is not the cure for cancer". I have never saved a life - I can't count how many times my spouse may have. She never swore, spit, tugged at her crotch, and refused to talk with her co-workers or patients. She most likely would have been dismissed. Now sit at the dinner table and explain to your children how these athletes have a right to release their stress.

This is getting over the top. I am not a Tiger hater either. I respect him for being a great golfer. A class act - never.


Well said RustyP, Well said. I so agree.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

YEP - somehow in America today if one says "I take full responsibility for my actions" all is supposed to be forgiven. Well sometimes you just can't take hurt back. I don't see Tiger's mom coming to the tournaments any more.

You do realize we are talking about men hitting a ball with a stick. I don't subscribe to they are entitled because of their stress. My spouse worked in an operating room for her career. She would ground me when I was stressed out (I was so important because my salary was much higher than hers) - "what happened to you today dear is not the cure for cancer". I have never saved a life - I can't count how many times my spouse may have. She never swore, spit, tugged at her crotch, and refused to talk with her co-workers or patients. She most likely would have been dismissed. Now sit at the dinner table and explain to your children how these athletes have a right to release their stress.

This is getting over the top. I am not a Tiger hater either. I respect him for being a great golfer. A class act - never.

I don't disagree that there is too much of that in today's society. Forgiveness should require more then just words. As Jesus said, "Go forth and sin no more".

Forgiveness is biblical and is done as much or even more for the forgiver than the forgiven. Holding grudges does not do anyone any good. Keeping all that anger inside hurts you more than it hurts the other person.

An apology or forgiveness does not absolve the person of responsibility of his or her actions. They will always carry that, However if a person truly changes his or her ways, they should be given another chance.

We all sin. It's what we do after we sin that's important.

In my humble opinion, Tiger has mended his ways. He's in a new long term relationship that appears to be going very well. He has a good relationship with his ex-wife and with his children.

Yes, he still has a way to go. His foul language on the golf course should be stopped. But I honestly think that he handles interviews very well and does a lot for the less fortunate.

Of course we can always dismiss anything that anyone does by claiming that they only do for tax purposes or to polish their image or even just to make themselves feel better. The problem with that is that we'd have to believe that no one ever does anything for the benefit of others.

I don't hold Tiger up as some kind of saint. Like all of us, he has good traits ands he has some faults. His faults are magnified because of the incredible scrutiny that he is under. I say give him a break and give him credit for what he has accomplished professionally and personally.

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[mickey100]

I find golf about as interesting as I do cricket and I once went to a cricket match and literally started watching to see if the grass would grow (it didn't). That being said, Tiger did make the game somewhat interesting, both in his prime and his comeback attempts. Without him, the game would have half as many viewers and a lot less money to go around. He did bring the game to the masses.

His personal life is just that -- his personal life. Most of us had a chance to have a misspent youth. We learned while we were growing up. He didn't have that chance. He was an athlete before he was a kid. He had a father who controlled every moment of his life. These are not conducive to making a well-rounded individual. He was raised on military bases. Considering the language heard on a base on a daily basis, I'm surprised he doesn't curse more than he does.

I'm sorry to see the gloating when he doesn't do well, especially by the fans. He deserves better. He brought a lot to the game and still does. Why he keeps pushing himself so hard is beyond me. He has nothing to prove and certainly doesn't need the money. So, I guess it is because he does love the game, feels he still has something to prove to himself and maybe owes something to his legion of fans.

So, congrats to Mr. Spieth for winning. Hope he can do it a few more times. Kudos to Tiger for coming in the money and here's hoping his body lets him win a few more tournaments.

Well said, especially the part about personal life. We read about sports figures in the media and think we know them. We don't have a clue what REALLY goes on in their personal lives, nor should we. To make judgements about what we read or hear in the media can be very misleading. As you said, Tiger has really raised the awareness of golf, which is a good thing. I too wish him well.

[Polar Bear]

...Arnie Palmer and Jack Nicklaus are MY hero's...
Same here, gracie. Well actually Arnie is #1 for me and then comes Jack. The only thing I ever held just a little bit against Jack was that he beat Arnie so much!! :icon_wink:

[tomwed]

I find golf about as interesting as I do cricket and I once went to a cricket match and literally started watching to see if the grass would grow (it didn't). That being said, Tiger did make the game somewhat interesting, both in his prime and his comeback attempts. Without him, the game would have half as many viewers and a lot less money to go around. He did bring the game to the masses.

His personal life is just that -- his personal life. Most of us had a chance to have a misspent youth. We learned while we were growing up. He didn't have that chance. He was an athlete before he was a kid. He had a father who controlled every moment of his life. These are not conducive to making a well-rounded individual. He was raised on military bases. Considering the language heard on a base on a daily basis, I'm surprised he doesn't curse more than he does.

I'm sorry to see the gloating when he doesn't do well, especially by the fans. He deserves better. He brought a lot to the game and still does. Why he keeps pushing himself so hard is beyond me. He has nothing to prove and certainly doesn't need the money. So, I guess it is because he does love the game, feels he still has something to prove to himself and maybe owes something to his legion of fans.

So, congrats to Mr. Spieth for winning. Hope he can do it a few more times. Kudos to Tiger for coming in the money and here's hoping his body lets him win a few more tournaments.
I wish I could express myself as well as you. You nailed my sentiments.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I find golf about as interesting as I do cricket and I once went to a cricket match and literally started watching to see if the grass would grow (it didn't). That being said, Tiger did make the game somewhat interesting, both in his prime and his comeback attempts. Without him, the game would have half as many viewers and a lot less money to go around. He did bring the game to the masses.

His personal life is just that -- his personal life. Most of us had a chance to have a misspent youth. We learned while we were growing up. He didn't have that chance. He was an athlete before he was a kid. He had a father who controlled every moment of his life. These are not conducive to making a well-rounded individual. He was raised on military bases. Considering the language heard on a base on a daily basis, I'm surprised he doesn't curse more than he does.

I'm sorry to see the gloating when he doesn't do well, especially by the fans. He deserves better. He brought a lot to the game and still does. Why he keeps pushing himself so hard is beyond me. He has nothing to prove and certainly doesn't need the money. So, I guess it is because he does love the game, feels he still has something to prove to himself and maybe owes something to his legion of fans.

So, congrats to Mr. Spieth for winning. Hope he can do it a few more times. Kudos to Tiger for coming in the money and here's hoping his body lets him win a few more tournaments.

Well said, especially the part about not knowing about his personal life. Many people seem to think that they can judge his personal life by what they see on the golf course.

I also agree about the gloating. Golf is one of the few games where we never root against someone. We always root for people. Even when I was playing, I never wanted my opponent to miss a shot or miss a putt. If I beat them, I wanted to know it was because a play better, not because they made an error.

From what I know about Tiger, he is simply driven to be the best that he can be. He works harder than any athlete I've have ever heard about. I've been told thing by people in his inner circle that are incredible. He lives for competition and he lives for golf.

Yes, a huge congratulations to Jordan Spieth. He made a great showing. Hope he makes more history. But I don't hope that anyone let's Tiger win any tournaments. I hope that he wins them because he outplays everyone else.

[rustyp]

Oh no say it isn't true. Media (Orlando Sentinel - Roger Simmons) starting to post Tiger may have cheated on Lindsey. Just about the time we were defending him on TOTV. I guess you can't change the stripes on a tiger.

[outlaw]

Not a fan of Tiger anymore. I lost all respect for him when he was caught cheating on his wife MULTIPLE times for years. Also, his on course demeanor, when he is not playing well, is disgusting. I have witnessed him throwing his club down range (his caddy had to go fetch it), cursing on the tee box with children right next to him, and spitting on the tee box after a bad shot. I think Tiger is a terrible role model for young people. Being competitive and wanting to win is one thing. But do it with class, like Jordan Speith or Ricky Fowler.

[DonH57]

Oh no say it isn't true. Media (Orlando Sentinel - Roger Simmons) starting to post Tiger may have cheated on Lindsey. Just about the time we were defending him on TOTV. I guess you can't change the stripes on a tiger.

I read that as well. Damn Tiger. Again? C'mon man:grumpy:

[dewilson58]

Oh no say it isn't true. Media (Orlando Sentinel - Roger Simmons) starting to post Tiger may have cheated on Lindsey. Just about the time we were defending him on TOTV. I guess you can't change the stripes on a tiger.

Not surprised.

[tomwed]

"{FORMER PRESIDENT SO THIS DOESN'T GET DELETED"} admitted in an unsolicited comment to two Playboy freelance writers that he had "looked on a lot of women with lust" and had "committed adultery in my heart many times," strange revelations all the more damaging because they appeared in a soft-porn magazine."
Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accused (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/carter.htm)

I always thought "{FORMER PRESIDENT SO THIS DOESN'T GET DELETED"} made one of the most honest and revealing statements a man could make.

I think ordinary looking wealthy and powerful men [and women I suppose] have admirers throwing themselves all the time. Chris Rock makes a joke about it in his act. "you are as faithful as your options".

[rdhdleo]

Money and fame can't buy you class.

[mickey100]

The supposed cheating was reported in the Daily Mail online, which, according to Wikipedia, is a tabloid news source. I would take anything from that "news" source with a grain of salt. It has had numerous libel lawsuits lodged against it, and some of the successful ones include actress Dianna Rigg and actor Nicholas Cage, Elton John, writer J. K. Rowling.In 2014 the MailOnline admitted having published an entirely false story about George Clooney and the family of his fianc�e. None of us have any way of knowing the facts. Innocent until proven guilty, unless you're a Tiger hater of course. Then you can just assume the worst.

[rdhdleo]

Other sources have given it enough credibility to report it also. Given his past history hard not to believe. Some will always believe the worse and some will never care to see him for the person he is. Don't hate him at all, just don't respect him

[mickey100]

All the news reports refer back to the story from the tabloid Daily Mail online. This does not give the story credibility. This is the news media jumping on an unsubstantiated story because it is attention grabbing. Before Clooney got married the same type of thing happened, for which the Daily Mail had to issue a formal apology. Any reputable news source will meticulously check facts and confirm with multiple sources. That hasn't happened in this case. I think it is pretty interesting that people are drawn to these sensationalist stories about celebrities and are willing to believe just about anything.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

"{FORMER PRESIDENT SO THIS DOESN'T GET DELETED"} admitted in an unsolicited comment to two Playboy freelance writers that he had "looked on a lot of women with lust" and had "committed adultery in my heart many times," strange revelations all the more damaging because they appeared in a soft-porn magazine."
Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accused (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/carter.htm)

I always thought "{FORMER PRESIDENT SO THIS DOESN'T GET DELETED"} made one of the most honest and revealing statements a man could make.

I think ordinary looking wealthy and powerful men [and women I suppose] have admirers throwing themselves all the time. Chris Rock makes a joke about it in his act. "you are as faithful as your options".

You are absolutely 100% correct. It's a major problem on the PGA tour. I have several friends who have played the tour and they've told me that there are women who throw themselves at the player every day. The more successful and famous a player becomes, the more of a problem it is.

That's not to excuse anyone's behavior. Wrong is wrong. But it can be very difficult for many of those guys to resist temptation and a daily basis. That's one of the reasons that so many of them attend bible study groups.

[outlaw]

Tiger's worst behavior was hiring multiple prostitutes at a time for his own private group sex sessions. Not exactly a fan throwing herself at him. I believe he was a winning pro before he got married. If he wanted to partake in the "fruits of his profession", maybe he should have stayed single and not had children until he was tired of that life.

[mickey100]

Tiger's worst behavior was hiring multiple prostitutes at a time for his own private group sex sessions. Not exactly a fan throwing herself at him. I believe he was a winning pro before he got married. If he wanted to partake in the "fruits of his profession", maybe he should have stayed single and not had children until he was tired of that life.

You could say that about a lot of men. I think the icing on the cake was Newt Gingrich having an affair with an intern while married to his second wife, and at the same time was leading the impeachment of the former president for perjury regarding an affair with his intern Monica Lewinsky. Petraeus is another recent example of cheating. The list is endless.

[rustyp]

You could say that about a lot of men. I think the icing on the cake was Newt Gingrich having an affair with an intern while married to his second wife, and at the same time was leading the impeachment of the former president for perjury regarding an affair with his intern Monica Lewinsky. Petraeus is another recent example of cheating. The list is endless.

I don't get it. What's the point?

[mickey100]

The point is, why pick on Tiger over something he may or may not have done recently? We're well aware of what went on in the past. He went to therapy, apologized publicly and moved on. If he did cheat on Vonn, which is just a tabloid story at present, it isn't like he is doing something that millions of other men haven't done, many of these men who are political heavyweights, or well known celebrities.

[rustyp]

The point is, why pick on Tiger over something he may or may not have done recently? We're well aware of what went on in the past. He went to therapy, apologized publicly and moved on. If he did cheat on Vonn, which is just a tabloid story at present, it isn't like he is doing something that millions of other men haven't done, many of these men who are political heavyweights, or well known celebrities.

So am I held to a higher standard because I don't travel in Tiger's or Newt's circles? Thus you believe I have not had temptation thrown at me in my life and if so I would have buckled?

[mickey100]

I find it irritating that people are so quick to believe the worst in someone based on a tabloid report. If you haven't ever used poor judgement, lied, cheated, or made mistakes in your life, then I guess you are an exception. Pat yourself on the back with a wet noodle.

[tomwed]

Well maybe if the lines moved a little quicker in Publix we wouldn't be reading all those tabloids.
[kidding]

[rustyp]

I find it irritating that people are so quick to believe the worst in someone based on a tabloid report. If you haven't ever used poor judgement, lied, cheated, or made mistakes in your life, then I guess you are an exception. Pat yourself on the back with a wet noodle.

I can see the out of bounds stake getting pretty close.

[rustyp]

Are you watching this train wreck again ? This is embarrassing. What's with the stripe on the back of his shirt ? Looks like a skunk.

[rustyp]

15 year old amateur +7 Tiger +10

[john1953]

I was once a hugeTiger fan,now I hope he retires and becomes a club pro at Cane garden.Sad to see his game just completely fall apart.

[Buckeye Bob]

I'll be surprised if he breaks 80 today. Too bad he and 15 year old Cole Hammer couldn't get paired together today; would be fun to watch the Hammer beat him.

[outlaw]

Interesting how if you are not a Tiger fan, you are a "hater".

[tomwed]

I'll bet 12 year old Tiger could beat 40 year old Tiger. I don't think I could say that about Jack, Arnie, Hogan, Snead or all the other greats. Would you agree?