Trespassing

[john2]

There is a large house under construction on the historic side . It is far enough along that a realtors lock has been put on the front door in an effort to keep people OUT of the house. Unfortunately this has not stopped the villagers from getting into the house. This is private property and someone's home. I am asking my fellow villagers to please control your couiosity, stay off of this property and stop going into the house. The owner is so frustrated and the builder so worried that they are going to start calling the police. LEFT][/LEFT]

[fred53]

It's their property...let them call the police as that is the best action...as for posting here about it...not sure anyone who would trespass reads this column...or are you suggesting it's someone you know who does read here?

[njbchbum]

So glad that that mausoleum is not in or even close to my neighborhood! How can the owner not be surprised over the consternation that her house has created? I have been told that she is a lovely lady and if folks really want to see the place they should try doing their drive-bys in the evening when she is there to check on the day's progress.

Did a drive-by myself a week or so ago and saw the realtor lock on the front door - but the door from the bus garage to the kitchen was wide open. I guess someone messed up that day!

[Villager Joyce]

So glad that that mausoleum is not in or even close to my neighborhood! How can the owner not be surprised over the consternation that her house has created? I have been told that she is a lovely lady and if folks really want to see the place they should try doing their drive-bys in the evening when she is there to check on the day's progress.

Did a drive-by myself a week or so ago and saw the realtor lock on the front door - but the door from the bus garage to the kitchen was wide open. I guess someone messed up that day!

A bus garage? Is this home actually in TV? Homes in Lake Ashton near Lake Wales were built with garages for motor homes. Is that what this is?

[Mudder]

Looks like a garage for a RV.

[gerryann]

Don't know where it is. Would love to see a picture.

[OBXNana]

I don't think this problem is isolated to The Villages and I'm fairly certain it isn't just Villagers trespassing. When we were looking for property a little over a year ago, our sales person told us to check out new construction. We were encouraged to go into different phases of construction to see the quality of workmanship. In some cases, we were told to go through the garage door because it was open. There were lock boxes on the doors when we went through the garages. In none of the cases was flooring down, but it did enable us to see what actually goes between the stucco and drywall.

If this is an individuals house, being built for a specific individual, they have the option, at additional expense to put temporary fencing around the property.

[virgind]

You nosy people

[theorem painter]

I don't think this problem is isolated to The Villages and I'm fairly certain it isn't just Villagers trespassing. When we were looking for property a little over a year ago, our sales person told us to check out new construction. We were encouraged to go into different phases of construction to see the quality of workmanship. In some cases, we were told to go through the garage door because it was open. There were lock boxes on the doors when we went through the garages. In none of the cases was flooring down, but it did enable us to see what actually goes between the stucco and drywall.

If this is an individuals house, being built for a specific individual, they have the option, at additional expense to put temporary fencing around the property.

This reminds me of a New York State Senator who "trespassed" in a new construction house, fell and injured himself and 6 months later had the audacity to sue the owner of the house for his injuries. Needless to say he wasn't re-elected even though he had been in office almost 30 years.

[TheVillageChicken]

A bus garage? Is this home actually in TV? Homes in Lake Ashton near Lake Wales were built with garages for motor homes. Is that what this is?

There are homes in The Villages with RV garages. Check out Harmswood.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

I have seen that home and think it is great to see someone spend the money to make a very nice home in the historic side. So what if he has an rv garage!
I for one am happy to see that the villages and a few outside contractors are buying up some of the old mobile homes and building stick built homes with garages. There are those of us (myself included) that prefer the mature trees and the friendly people there.
Our home is in country club hills and is not as busy as when we lived in the Rio Grande Villas.
There are nice manufactured homes, stick built and block/stucco. That large home being built will be very nice when finished ........just my opinion.

[janmcn]

Don't know where it is. Would love to see a picture.

There is a photo of the house and RV garage on the front page of the on-line news.

[manaboutown]

Judging from on-line newspaper photos the house looks great to me! Like a prior poster, I really enjoy the mature landscaping on the historic side.

[twoplanekid]

The new RV garage home, one of several in the Villages is being built at 1327 E. Schwartz Blvd and was approved by ARC.

[Villager Joyce]

I love the concept. I would have the RV garage filled with beautiful stainless racks on wheels and the most beautifully organized holiday decorations ever. Meanwhile back on Planet Earth...

[RickeyD]

I've seen the RV house, atrociously ugly. Glad I'm not living next to or needing to drive past it...I feel sorry for the neighbors.

[kstew43]

I've seen the RV house, atrociously ugly. Glad I'm not living next to THAT...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder......


Storing a expensive?? RV in its own garage.....priceless...

[RickeyD]

[QUOTE=kstew43;1042758]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder......




If I were in the market for a house and I found a house that met ALL my needs including location at a bargain price but that atrocity was within an eyeshot, I wouldn't buy the house. Plain and simple it's an architectural nightmare. IMHO of course...

[RickeyD]

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[asianthree]

So glad that that mausoleum is not in or even close to my neighborhood! How can the owner not be surprised over the consternation that her house has created? I have been told that she is a lovely lady and if folks really want to see the place they should try doing their drive-bys in the evening when she is there to check on the day's progress.

Did a drive-by myself a week or so ago and saw the realtor lock on the front door - but the door from the bus garage to the kitchen was wide open. I guess someone messed up that day!

Cool I didn't know you could build your own mausoleum to store you're dead. Beats driving to the cemetery to put flowers on a grave.

[OBXNana]

This reminds me of a New York State Senator who "trespassed" in a new construction house, fell and injured himself and 6 months later had the audacity to sue the owner of the house for his injuries. Needless to say he wasn't re-elected even though he had been in office almost 30 years.


We were building a house with an amazing view of the ocean and there was a ship's watch. It was at roof level and during construction there were no hand rails and only steps 30 feet up. As we drove up one day there were people 30 feet up, 20 mph winds, and no railings. We had a temporary fence put in the next day. The Senators irrational behavior is too common these days and you can't be too careful, even on your own private property.

[rdhdleo]

The house is beautiful and will surely be an asset to the historic side which I feel is a beautiful area to begin with. We often wish we had bought there. Wish I could afford a house like that and and RV to store with it! Lucky person who owns it and saw the beauty in the historic side and chose to make that their home!

[Warren Kiefer]

The new RV garage home, one of several in the Villages is being built at 1327 E. Schwartz Blvd and was approved by ARC.

I would like someone to come up with a single issue that the ARC could actually disapprove. ARC "rules" use the term aesthetics a lot. Aesthetics is a term that has a multitude of meanings, the most used is "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"....Simply put, what is ugly to one person might be beautiful to another. ARC can only refuse to approve those issues that are clearly and specifically spelled out in the covenants. For example unattached out buildings or roof top TV antennas.

[Bonanza]

To all the nay sayers who think that RV garages are an eyesore, the only difference is that they are larger.

If any of you have ever been through some of the exclusive residential areas in Las Vegas, you would be put to shame for the words you utter.
These garages there in no way detract from the homes and/or the neighborhoods, and I'm speaking of homes that run in the millions!

Some of the remarks on this thread sound like sour grapes to me!

:ohdear:

[graciegirl]

]I would like someone to come up with a single issue that the ARC could actually disapprove. [/B]ARC "rules" use the term aesthetics a lot. Aesthetics is a term that has a multitude of meanings, the most used is "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"....Simply put, what is ugly to one person might be beautiful to another. ARC can only refuse to approve those issues that are clearly and specifically spelled out in the covenants. For example unattached out buildings or roof top TV antennas.

It happens Warren. It happens. They disapproved a person's fountain. They disapproved a person's request for fencing. And if you put it in and it is against the rules, they will fine you.

Be very glad we have ARC and deed restrictions. It raises our property values.

I recall when you posted that a neighbor added something you didn't like, but apparently it was approved by ARC.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and if you drive by the homes south of 466 where the deed restrictions are "strictest", you will find nothing to halt your eyes and no colors, now with the latest restrictions , to make you shudder.

It's all good. Three cheers for ARC.

[mulligan]

I would like someone to come up with a single issue that the ARC could actually disapprove. ARC "rules" use the term aesthetics a lot. Aesthetics is a term that has a multitude of meanings, the most used is "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"....Simply put, what is ugly to one person might be beautiful to another. ARC can only refuse to approve those issues that are clearly and specifically spelled out in the covenants. For example unattached out buildings or roof top TV antennas.

Just for the record, if the roof provides the best reception, the ARC CANNOT ban the siting of an antenna there. Federal law trumps all the others.

[njbchbum]

To all the nay sayers who think that RV garages are an eyesore, the only difference is that they are larger.

If any of you have ever been through some of the exclusive residential areas in Las Vegas, you would be put to shame for the words you utter.
These garages there in no way detract from the homes and/or the neighborhoods, and I'm speaking of homes that run in the millions!

Some of the remarks on this thread sound like sour grapes to me!

:ohdear:

Have seen those RV garages in Las Vegas/Henderson and can NOT be shamed when I say that they are as unattractive there as is the one here in the historic neighborhood!

Perhaps when the rest of the houses along E/W Schwartz build their RV garages the house being built will not appear to detract from the environs!

Do you believe that because a home costs 'in the millions' that it cannot be a detraction?

[CFrance]

Have seen those RV garages in Las Vegas/Henderson and can NOT be shamed when I say that they are as unattractive there as is the one here in the historic neighborhood!

Perhaps when the rest of the houses along E/W Schwartz build their RV garages the house being built will not appear to detract from the environs!

Do you believe that because a home costs 'in the millions' that it cannot be a detraction?
I agree with you (now don't faint, nj:laugh:) Those RV garages are UGGGGGly! I've seen a whole housing development of them close to Polk City (Mount Olive Shores). Yuck. The only saving grace with the one in TV is that they made the builder put it on the side instead of facing the street.

[queasy27]

How would the owner or builder or anyone know that some people are trespassing? Does the house have internal and external security cameras in place? Are the people who drop in to look around leaving trash or graffiti or other evidence? If workers are there when passers-by walk around, I don't see the problem. Ask them to leave. If worry about possible damage is that high, the owner needs to make sure the house is secure. I honestly can't envision too many Villagers breaking a window or climbing up a second story balcony to break in.

So, yeah. Skeptical.

[Bonanza]

Have seen those RV garages in Las Vegas/Henderson and can NOT be shamed when I say that they are as unattractive there as is the one here in the historic neighborhood!

Perhaps when the rest of the houses along E/W Schwartz build their RV garages the house being built will not appear to detract from the environs!

Do you believe that because a home costs 'in the millions' that it cannot be a detraction?

Of course any garage can be a detraction regardless of price. Once again, you missed the point.
The houses in Vegas that are priced in the millions to which I referred, and are practically all done in good taste.
Deed restriction require that!

As for the property in the historic area, the garage is on the side. So what is your problem with that?
My guess is that you live in that area and just don't want to see change -- change which is for the better, I might add.
Some of those houses are pretty dumpy and need a facelift -- or more!

[CFrance]

How would the owner or builder or anyone know that some people are trespassing? Does the house have internal and external security cameras in place? Are the people who drop in to look around leaving trash or graffiti or other evidence? If workers are there when passers-by walk around, I don't see the problem. Ask them to leave. If worry about possible damage is that high, the owner needs to make sure the house is secure. I honestly can't envision too many Villagers breaking a window or climbing up a second story balcony to break in.

So, yeah. Skeptical.
Well, for instance... my neighbor is building a premier in Charlotte, and has pulled up to the house a few times when people were in there snooping. One couple was coming out and closing the garage door (the other doors were locked).

So I guess the builder and neighbors have seen the trespassers. I don't think that is so skeptical.

[Bonanza]

What everyone seems to be describing is not tresspassing. First of all, while someone may have a deposit on a particular house, they do not own the house; they have not gone to settlement.

Many intended buyers walk through partially built houses. They are not breaking in; a door somewhere is not locked. When my husband and I were looking at homes (not models), our sales person walked us through many partially built houses. If a front door was locked, we walked to the back and usually, a door was open, as was a garage door in many cases.

A zillion :girlneener: people walked through our house as it was being built. So what??!?

[CFrance]

When we built our condo in Michigan, there were certain points at which we had to pony up large chunks of cash for materials. There were three lots of this. I considered it our house even if the closing hadn't taken place--it certainly was our money in there. And I considered anybody who helped themselves to being on the property uninvited to be trespassers.

The builder had other condos to show us before we built. They were owned by people who agreed to show them to us. Some were models. He even took us to his own house. No need to enter uninvited to someone else's property.

[njbchbum]

What everyone seems to be describing is not tresspassing. First of all, while someone may have a deposit on a particular house, they do not own the house; they have not gone to settlement.
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So who owns the house with the RV garage being built on Schwartz that folks are feeling free to browse?

[njbchbum]

Of course any garage can be a detraction regardless of price. Once again, you missed the point.
The houses in Vegas that are priced in the millions to which I referred, and are practically all done in good taste.
Deed restriction require that!

As for the property in the historic area, the garage is on the side. So what is your problem with that?
My guess is that you live in that area and just don't want to see change -- change which is for the better, I might add.
Some of those houses are pretty dumpy and need a facelift -- or more!

Did not miss your point; and because of that cannot respond as Admin/Mod would likely deem a personal attack. Will therefore simply say that you guessed WRONG - AGAIN.

[Villager Joyce]

I say who among us haven't peeked in windows or gone into a house being built? Who among us lives in that glass house? Certainly not me. I see little difference in people who do this than the habitual Open House attendees who are snooping, not looking for a house. The bigger or more different the house, the more snooping you should expect.

[graciegirl]

I say who among us haven't peeked in windows or gone into a house being built? Who among us lives in that glass house? Certainly not me. I see little difference in people who do this than the habitual Open House attendees who are snooping, not looking for a house. The bigger or more different the house, the more snooping you should expect.


I agree.

Almost every night Sweetie, Helene and I would go to see what had been done on the home they were building for us here in The Villages a little over three years ago. It was rare that we didn't run into someone going through the house too. Sometimes it would be neighbors and sometimes people we didn't know. We had done the same many times, looking through others homes in different stages of construction, knowing they were being built for someone. I see not a thing wrong with that.

One night when we three were going through what is now our home, there was a couple there and they said something like, well what do you think of this house? We said it was very nice. And they told us that it was theirs.

We thought they had good taste.

No harm, no foul.

[CFrance]

I agree.

Almost every night Sweetie, Helene and I would go to see what had been done on the home they were building for us here in The Villages a little over three years ago. It was rare that we didn't run into someone going through the house too. Sometimes it would be neighbors and sometimes people we didn't know. We had done the same many times, looking through others homes in different stages of construction, knowing they were being built for someone. I see not a thing wrong with that.

One night when we three were going through what is now our home, there was a couple there and they said something like, well what do you think of this house? We said it was very nice. And they told us that it was theirs.

We thought they had good taste.

No harm, no foul.
Interesting! Did you ask them if it was theirs, or did they offer up that lie all by themselves?

[graciegirl]

Interesting! Did you ask them if it was theirs, or did they offer up that lie all by themselves?


They told us that the home was theirs with no prompts.

We were amused.

[graciegirl]

What everyone seems to be describing is not tresspassing. First of all, while someone may have a deposit on a particular house, they do not own the house; they have not gone to settlement.

Many intended buyers walk through partially built houses. They are not breaking in; a door somewhere is not locked. When my husband and I were looking at homes (not models), our sales person walked us through many partially built houses. If a front door was locked, we walked to the back and usually, a door was open, as was a garage door in many cases.

A zillion :girlneener: people walked through our house as it was being built. So what??!?

I agree.

It is funny how some things offend some people and don't others. It all depends what you are used to.

I see NOTHING wrong with going though a home that is being built. Now the new spec homes aren't slated for anybody, but even if the home with the RV garage is being built FOR someone, no one is harming anything by going through it...BEFORE the carpet and flooring is down.

[CFrance]

I agree.

It is funny how some things offend some people and don't others. It all depends what you are used to.

I see NOTHING wrong with going though a home that is being built. Now the new spec homes aren't slated for anybody, but even if the home with the RV garage is being built FOR someone, no one is harming anything by going through it...BEFORE the carpet and flooring is down.
Re-read posts 9 & 21.

[graciegirl]

Re-read posts 9 & 21.


You forget how adventurous and daredevil I am. I don't have seatbelts yet in my cart.

But, I get dizzy when I wear high heeled shoes. And I don't gamble, and I don't drink and I don't chew and I don't go with boys who do.

And I always lay up over water. ;)

[CFrance]

You forget how adventurous and daredevil I am. I don't have seatbelts yet in my cart.

But, I get dizzy when I wear high heeled shoes. And I don't gamble, and I don't drink and I don't chew and I don't go with boys who do.

And I always lay up over water. ;)

Ha ha! A rule breaker! (Although I don't know what that last one means. You float? :laugh:)

[EnglishJW]

So glad that that mausoleum is not in or even close to my neighborhood! How can the owner not be surprised over the consternation that her house has created? I have been told that she is a lovely lady and if folks really want to see the place they should try doing their drive-bys in the evening when she is there to check on the day's progress.

Did a drive-by myself a week or so ago and saw the realtor lock on the front door - but the door from the bus garage to the kitchen was wide open. I guess someone messed up that day!

I love your tag line video - great memories.

[EnglishJW]

Is it fact or fiction that TV doesn't include attic stairs in homes (e.g., in garages) because they fear "snoopers" getting injured?

[dbussone]

Is it fact or fiction that TV doesn't include attic stairs in homes (e.g., in garages) because they fear "snoopers" getting injured?

I think it is more of a financial decision.

[njbchbum]

I love your tag line video - great memories.

:) Glad you enjoyed it. Just a couple more weeks and will be back there to enjoy it with my coffee and morning walks! What's better than Summer at the Jersey Shore? Only the Winter in Florida! ;)

[rubicon]

RV slowly I turned and step by step by step.....................

My neighbor had an RV parked on his driveway and because of it I lost 6 months before my house sold. It so happened that my company wanted me to move in the month of September. Not a good time to sale normally. Well in February a realtor called me and explained that his client saw my house back in September and wanted to buy it but refused to even look because of the RV next door. The realtor toured my home early on and was convinced his client would buy it and told her so. I called my neighbor who apologized and immediately relocated the RV and bang the client wanted the house and wanted us to move within two weeks we countered with the end of March. The client took our price ...It was that darn RV

so again I say RV slowly I turned and step by step...........

[Bonanza]

So who owns the house with the RV garage being built on Schwartz that folks are feeling free to browse?

Who owns it? Does it matter?

[Bonanza]

When we built our condo in Michigan, there were certain points at which we had to pony up large chunks of cash for materials. There were three lots of this. I considered it our house even if the closing hadn't taken place--it certainly was our money in there. And I considered anybody who helped themselves to being on the property uninvited to be trespassers.

The builder had other condos to show us before we built. They were owned by people who agreed to show them to us. Some were models. He even took us to his own house. No need to enter uninvited to someone else's property.

I understand that when someone puts a deposit on a house, it is normal; to think of it as "your" house, even when a builder requires a draw until completion.

Let's put if this way: If someone tripped and fell on the property, inside or outside the house, if they sued, they wouldn't be suing you because you are not yet the actual owner.

[kstew43]

actually, in this particular case, the RV home.. the woman owns the land that the builder she chose is building on. I do believe that she would be responsible if they indeed charged her and not the tresspassers on her property .

in regards to the villages homes, the morse people would pay since you are correct. you do not take ownership until the closing.

[Mleeja]

If someone is injured while they are "touring" and unfinished home and they sue, the lawyers will come after the ones with the deepest pockets. Just becasue a person has only put down some earnest money doesn't mean they are not going to be part of a law suit.

Construction areas are dangerous places. As I have gotten older and hopefully wiser, I would just stay away.

[Bonanza]

actually, in this particular case, the RV home.. the woman owns the land that the builder she chose is building on. I do believe that she would be responsible if they indeed charged her and not the tresspassers on her property .

in regards to the villages homes, the morse people would pay since you are correct. you do not take ownership until the closing.

Yes, in the case of this RV home, you are correct. The woman does own the property and she would be the one responsible for anything bad happening.

In this case the builder should post "No Tresspassing" signs but I don't know if that would prevent her from being responsible if there was a law suit. Interesting question!

[Bonanza]

If someone is injured while they are "touring" and unfinished home and they sue, the lawyers will come after the ones with the deepest pockets. Just becasue a person has only put down some earnest money doesn't mean they are not going to be part of a law suit.

Construction areas are dangerous places. As I have gotten older and hopefully wiser, I would just stay away.

And how would Mr. or Mrs. "Deepest Pockets" be determined???

Why would someone who only has a deposit on a property be sued when in fact, they don't own the property?
I'm pretty sure you are not correct.

[kstew43]

until your name is on the title you don't down anything