Valet Parking at the Squares

[Sandtrap328]

Page C1 of The Daily Sun has an article about a test for valet parking that will begin April 27. An Orlando company will park your car for $10 or cart for $5 while you are at the evening entertainment and retrieve it when you are done.

This will (according to the diagram) use existing parking spaces in front of the LSL movie theater for valet spots. These are public streets. How can they be taken for a private company?

Is this the camel's nose under the tent to charge for seating on the squares - $5 if you want a prime spot and the free seats at the very back?

I wonder how many Villagers will pay $5 or $10 for valet parking? I know I will not!

[looneycat]

Page C1 of The Daily Sun has an article about a test for valet parking that will begin April 27. An Orlando company will park your car for $10 or cart for $5 while you are at the evening entertainment and retrieve it when you are done.

This will (according to the diagram) use existing parking spaces in front of the LSL movie theater for valet spots. These are public streets. How can they be taken for a private company?

Is this the camel's nose under the tent to charge for seating on the squares - $5 if you want a prime spot and the free seats at the very back?

I wonder how many Villagers will pay $5 or $10 for valet parking? I know I will not!

so you are already mad about something that will probably never happen?
if your perspective is such that you see 'gotchas'around every corner you need to change your perspective or your 'corner'!

[2BNTV]

I know I won't, as I am able bodied. Besides the fact the diagram shows you will drop your cart/car a couple of blocks away.

This might solve the problem for those visiting "The Sharon".

Waiting for many responses!!! :popcorn:

[Sandtrap328]

so you are already mad about something that will probably never happen?
if your perspective is such that you see 'gotchas'around every corner you need to change your perspective or your 'corner'!


The valet parking trial period IS going to happen beginning April 27. Not mad at all but rightfully concerned about where it may lead.

[njbchbum]

How long does anyone think it would take any of the local scam artists to drive some unsuspecting client's car or cart off into the sunset?

[Chi-Town]

Just heard about the valet parking on WVLG. It was presented very positively. I assume the spots in front of the theater in LSL would just be a staging area for the drop-offs. It was just a matter of time that this would be made available at LSL and SS. Many town squares everywhere have this service.

[looneycat]

The valet parking trial period IS going to happen beginning April 27. Not mad at all but rightfully concerned about where it may lead.

obviously valet parking will happen, I was referring to the ridiculous assumption that seating in the square would be sold.

[rubicon]

I would not dismiss out of hand the likelihood that the Villages Entertainment Inc wouldn't charge admission to the square. Its doable and peope would still come to the square. At least it would eliminate the saved seats debacle :boxing2:

I spend money to work out at MVP. Its unlikely and counter-productive to pay for valet parking so I don't have to walk.

[hulahips]

I am not in favor of this idea. Sure some will say they can walk a mile but they should be grateful they may be in good health. What about those with medical conditions that can't walk, those who had surgery , those women who like wearing a nice dress and heels for a show, those who like to frequent the square but can't afford $10.00 a day. There are so many things to take into consideration. I'm not sure residents are going to be happy with these changes

[Bonny]

Many residents in the Villages are rarely ever happy when there is a change. Just another thing to complain about before it's even started.
My motto is don't worry be happy. :)

[RickeyD]

Many residents in the Villages are rarely ever happy when there is a change. Just another thing to complain about before it's even started.

My motto is don't worry be happy. :)


The first course of action to change is complaining. Complaining is " for the lack of a better word, good "

[scarecrow1]

Just another way to take away parking close to the square that a disable person might get and charge them to park their car or cart. Another way to make money on the backs of the disabled. They should provide more parking for the disabled as they are out of compliance with ADA as it is.....

[Bonny]

Just another way to take away parking close to the square that a disable person might get and charge them to park their car or cart. Another way to make money on the backs of the disabled. They should provide more parking for the disabled as they are out of compliance with ADA as it is.....
Are they parking in the cars close to the square ? I know they said drop off points, but I didn't see where they said they were parking the cars.

[manaboutown]

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry leaves his car with a valet. When the valet returns Jerry's car it has a stench which no treatment can get out. Could this happen in a hot, humid, sunny place like Central Florida in the summer?

My concern is that public parking places will be set aside where the valets will park cars, probably quite near where the cars are dropped off. This obviously would eliminate some of the nearest free parking for those who want to park their own cars.

Sounds to me like another way to make some bucks!

[Bogie Shooter]

I am not in favor of this idea. Sure some will say they can walk a mile but they should be grateful they may be in good health. What about those with medical conditions that can't walk, those who had surgery , those women who like wearing a nice dress and heels for a show, those who like to frequent the square but can't afford $10.00 a day. There are so many things to take into consideration. I'm not sure residents are going to be happy with these changes

$10.00 a day for what?

[Skybo]

This sounds like a very good idea to me. From the diagram it looks like only a few spots will be lost to the staging area. Yes, a disabled person *might* have gotten one of those spots, but many more would not. It seems to me that those who have difficulty walking would see this as a relief. No more stressing about getting a close spot. You can go to the square and be assured that you won't have to walk a long distance if you can't or don't want to. So it costs a few dollars. It is a guarantee that you won't have to walk. And we all still have a chance to snag a spot around the square, or walk from the parking lots for free. Why not give it a chance to see how well it works.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just another way to take away parking close to the square that a disable person might get and charge them to park their car or cart. Another way to make money on the backs of the disabled. They should provide more parking for the disabled as they are out of compliance with ADA as it is.....

Where did the info come from that parking spaces would be taken away? There may be many disabled that will welcome this service, do you think? Wait, you didn't think.................

[Bogie Shooter]

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry leaves his car with a valet. When the valet returns Jerry's car it has a stench which no treatment can get out. Could this happen in a hot, humid, sunny place like Central Florida in the summer?

My concern is that public parking places will be set aside where the valets will park cars, probably quite near where the cars are dropped off. This obviously would eliminate some of the nearest free parking for those who want to park their own cars.

Sounds to me like another way to make some bucks!

Or then again probably not.

[Hancle704]

The shortage of parking spaces around the squares for handicapped individuals has been an issue for many especially during peak seasons. I have read that money has been spent by developer to aid in construction of roads and widening of older roads to enable more folks to travel to and from the Villages but once here, many find it difficult to find a parking space in these public areas. With the opening of The Sharon just around the corner it would seem that parking will become more difficult especially for the disabled. I realize that the town squares are owned by the developer and the use of valet parking may be a first step to try dealing with shortages of spaces. I don't believe this should be viewed as a way to make money for the developer, if that were the case, parking meters could have been installed everywhere.

The growth of The Villages has resulted in the need to try remedying problems never anticipated years ago when build out was thought to be 30 thousand residents. Parking around the older Squares and the single lane Morse Blvd north of CR 466 have been problems ever since Villages growth exceeded early estimates. Another example is the Villages Hospital. It continues to grow to meet the demands of the growing population but adequate parking spaces will probably never keep up with the expansion.

[Hancle704]

Any idea about who assumes liability if your cart or auto is damaged once the keys are handed to valet parking attendant?

[missypie]

This could be a wonderful idea for people that are unable to walk any length of distance. The Villages continues to make this place more accommodating for all.

[RickeyD]

This could be a wonderful idea for people that are unable to walk any length of distance. The Villages continues to make this place more accommodating for all.


I suspect more people who are able to walk will be using this service.

[joldnol]

This is actually a relief for the disabled. My wife has CP and has difficultly walking distances. We rarely go to Sumter or SS because of the gross lack of handicapped parking. This service will mean can we go there and not worry about parking close. 5 bucks for a cart is affordable.

[Chi-Town]

I think that availability of valet parking is a big plus. Hotels have it. Restaurants have it. Hospitals have it. It is a service that addresses the convenience of patrons. Hard to fault that.

[JoMar]

From the sound of some of the posts one would think they are being forced to use the service. Bags Inc has significant experience in much more demanding areas than this place. For those that don't want to use it then don't, if you want to walk, walk, if you want to spend the 10 bucks (plus tip) then take advantage of one more service offered. We have choices, make them for yourself and let the rest of us make them for ourselves. The market will determine the success.

[JoMar]

Any idea about who assumes liability if your cart or auto is damaged once the keys are handed to valet parking attendant?

Liability is usually printed on your ticket and usually the company does not assume liability unless negligence can be proven and then it will probably still be a fight.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

If the valets don't get tips they won't be around for very long. My guess is that tip will be very little or none.

[zcaveman]

Are they parking in the cars close to the square ? I know they said drop off points, but I didn't see where they said they were parking the cars.

That is my question. Are they doing to park the cars/carts in the back of a lot or are they going to take up prime parking places for them.

Z

[sunnyatlast]

It's a trial period with a valet/parking company from Orlando. If you worry about damage to your vehicle I surely wouldn't participate.

Good grief. Do people here really think that TV management and VCCD government is dumb enough to take away handicap parking spaces and go against ADA laws on that??

These envisioned complaints and prophecies look like just one more way to vilify the developers because of their earned wealth and po______al affiliations. For some, they can do NOTHING right (but we sure don't see them finding home and community like this done elsewhere, by the leaders they prefer). It gets really old.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

I think I have it figured out...............the commercial space that is to be located where the current Katie Belles is will be a parking garage.:ho:

[hulahips]

I think I have it figured out...............the commercial space that is to be located where the current Katie Belles is will be a parking garage.:ho:

That could be the answer lol

[JoMar]

If the valets don't get tips they won't be around for very long. My guess is that tip will be very little or none.

The valets work for Bags not TV. I believe that most people that live in TV understand tipping is a part of service and will tip. Those that won't will be in the minority....I think that has been the case at the restaurants and bars. Maybe the trial will fail, maybe it will succeed....lets just wait and see.

[blueeagle65]

If the valets don't get tips they won't be around for very long. My guess is that tip will be very little or none.

Boy, did you say a mouthful here! To paraphrase a famous movie line: "Tips? We don't leave no stinkin tips!"

[hulahips]

How much should we tip? $2.00?

[mtdjed]

I don't have any problem with someone attempting to start a service. One of the things I always marveled at was the abundance of free parking available for the squares. Perhaps not right on the square, but certainly within a block.
It should be fun to see how they handle golf cart security and ID. And then the mass exodus when it starts to rain and thunder. Where will the people wait while they wait for their carts? Inside the movie theater? Parking is such a problem now that two days a week we take away all of the closest parking and give it to vendors.

[lanemb]

It is business at its best. If they make money they will continue. If they don't they will quit. I am sure there are some who have a hard time walking a good distance and they will use. The question is will there be enough to continue the service.

[stroglass]

What is. Next meters in the lots .charge for prime seats @the square ?
Is our life style changing to favor those with unlimited funds for such things .The bubble is losing air ?

[Shimpy]

What is. Next meters in the lots .charge for prime seats @the square ?
Is our life style changing to favor those with unlimited funds for such things .The bubble is losing air ?


I agree....Everywhere I've seen valet parking in busy areas
they had a large mostly empty area reserved for "valet parking" while everyone else drove around looking for a parking spot. The article in the paper mentioned that $5 for golf cart and $10 for cars was such a bargain and the normal fee is usually $20 to $30 to park your car. Maybe just me but I can't even imagine someone paying some kid $30. to just park their car then tip them unless you're Donald Trump.

[JoMar]

I agree....Everywhere I've seen valet parking in busy areas
they had a large mostly empty area reserved for "valet parking" while everyone else drove around looking for a parking spot. The article in the paper mentioned that $5 for golf cart and $10 for cars was such a bargain and the normal fee is usually $20 to $30 to park your car. Maybe just me but I can't even imagine someone paying some kid $30. to just park their car then tip them unless you're Donald Trump.

You never use valet right?

[CFrance]

Just another way to take away parking close to the square that a disable person might get and charge them to park their car or cart. Another way to make money on the backs of the disabled. They should provide more parking for the disabled as they are out of compliance with ADA as it is.....
In what way are they out of compliance? And who do you mean by "they"? They are public streets, so it wouldn't be TV, would it?

[Shimpy]

You never use valet right?

I guess I'm not lazy or trying to impress people how much I spend or how high class I am. I could care less how those people think of me.

[CFrance]

It is business at its best. If they make money they will continue. If they don't they will quit. I am sure there are some who have a hard time walking a good distance and they will use. The question is will there be enough to continue the service.
Wouldn't they have gotten a better idea of how well this would work if they ran the test while the rental season was in high gear?

[Beechie]

What is. Next meters in the lots .charge for prime seats @the square ?
Is our life style changing to favor those with unlimited funds for such things .The bubble is losing air ?

Au contraire, the bubble is not losing air. The bubble is being inflated by a whole lot of hot air.

[JoMar]

I guess I'm not lazy or trying to impress people how much I spend or how high class I am. I could care less how those people think of me.

Then why take shots at those that might? "You can't imagine" seems to me that you have an agenda against anyone that can plus "those people" must be beneath you too.

[skip0358]

It's a trial. If people don't use it, it won't work. I'll find my own spot. If TV wanted to make parking easier they'd put an archway to the lot behind the Sales Center in LSL. Lot is rarely used. Archway would be similar to the one by Starbucks. We lost a bunch of spots in Starbucks lot when all the District Offices moved upstairs over Johnny Rockets.

[njbchbum]

If I ever need/want to go to a square when it might be crowded, I'll call a taxi!
The Villages Transportation Taxi Service, flat rate, no meters. Call for pricing 352-259-0121.

[ribil]

We used to love going to the Church on the Square entertainment for a couple of dollars. Now that's gone, replaced with a venue costing upwards of $150 for entertainment. We loved going to "residents only" Katie Belles for very affordable entertainment or the Cattle Baron for a nice inexpensive buffet breakfast. Now that's going, replaced by, no doubt, a much more expensive alternative. Our Recreation Centers (built and operated by our amenities fees) were a "Villages ID" venue for our guests and residents use. Now, the recreation Department rents them out and events are open to the public. Now, all the closest parking spaces to the squares will be reserved by the Valet Services and the residents will be punished again. The Villages is looking more like a resort city than a retirement community. Many more residents will be spending more time in their homes because they won't be able to afford to enjoy many of daily, formerly free or low cost options that were the unique features that brought us here in the first place. I think the new, younger leadership of the Schwartz/Morse family has lost site of Grandpa's original intent.
Years ago, the residents of the New Jersey shore towns were appalled at the notion of charging patrons to go on the town's beaches. The reason was that the increased numbers of "visitors" had driven up the cost of beach maintenance, law enforcement, etc..Eventually, taxes increased, crime increased, and the residents found themselves catering to the "visitors". Our "retirement community" should be very careful not to evolve into a "resort city".

[golf2140]

Many residents in the Villages are rarely ever happy when there is a change. Just another thing to complain about before it's even started.
My motto is don't worry be happy. :)

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[tomwed]

This could be a wonderful idea for people that are unable to walk any length of distance. The Villages continues to make this place more accommodating for all.
That's how I see it too.
Unfortunately the two affordable indoor entertainment spots, short concerts in the church and Katie Bells is gone or going away.
And wouldn't a packet of 10 tickets for $100 make a nice Christmas present if one of the spouses was disabled so the other one doesn't need to drop off, look for a spot and hustle back to help.

[aln]

Page C1 of The Daily Sun has an article about a test for valet parking that will begin April 27. An Orlando company will park your car for $10 or cart for $5 while you are at the evening entertainment and retrieve it when you are done.

This will (according to the diagram) use existing parking spaces in front of the LSL movie theater for valet spots. These are public streets. How can they be taken for a private company?

Is this the camel's nose under the tent to charge for seating on the squares - $5 if you want a prime spot and the free seats at the very back?

I wonder how many Villagers will pay $5 or $10 for valet parking? I know I will not!


The squares are NOT public during the entertainment hours! They are leased or rented by the entertainment department. If they were public do you think the vendors could set up they way they do or anyone could carry drinks on 'public' sidewalks..........NO!

[Laurie2]

A hundred years ago, I had a summer job in an office in a city. Every morning, before work, a parking garage valet would look for me and buy me coffee at the White Castle on the corner. He would regale me with tales of all the fancy cars he was taking out for a spin while those big execs, with their reserved parking spots, were inside those tall office buildings toiling away like mad men.

He would go on and on about Porsche vs. Jag, etc. And I would look fascinated. He was kind of cute and fine for killing time before clocking in. But I sure was not planning to take him home to meet my dad.

I might have been young. But I kept thinking -- does he really race up and down the streets in cars he was supposed to be parking? -- Or if he does, what kind of moron leaves his car with this guy every morning but never checks the odometer?

I will never know. But it made for a summer of entertaining mornings.

You know though, he just might live in The Villages, too, now. What if he is looking for a little part time job? vroom-vroom

But I digress. Back to topic.

Nostalgic Laurie....... Kookie, Kookie, lend me your comb.......

[sunnyatlast]

A hundred years ago, I had a summer job in an office in a city. Every morning, before work, a parking garage valet would look for me and buy me coffee at the White Castle on the corner. He would regale me with tales of all the fancy cars he was taking out for a spin while those big execs, with their reserved parking spots, were inside those tall office buildings toiling away like mad men.

He would go on and on about Porsche vs. Jag, etc. And I would look fascinated. He was kind of cute and fine for killing time before clocking in. But I sure was not planning to take him home to meet my dad.

I might have been young. But I kept thinking -- does he really race up and down the streets in cars he was supposed to be parking? -- Or if he does, what kind of moron leaves his car with this guy every morning but never checks the odometer?

I will never know. But it made for a summer of entertaining mornings.

You know though, he just might live in The Villages, too, now. What if he is looking for a little part time job? vroom-vroom

But I digress. Back to topic.

Nostalgic Laurie...... Kookie, Kookie, lend me your comb

That's a "Bulls**t Artist" in need of a believing audience.

Valet parking is hardly an exotic service for Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous. It's done at even average bar-restaurants where parking is limited.

[handyman]

We used to love going to the Church on the Square entertainment for a couple of dollars. Now that's gone, replaced with a venue costing upwards of $150 for entertainment. We loved going to "residents only" Katie Belles for very affordable entertainment or the Cattle Baron for a nice inexpensive buffet breakfast. Now that's going, replaced by, no doubt, a much more expensive alternative. Our Recreation Centers (built and operated by our amenities fees) were a "Villages ID" venue for our guests and residents use. Now, the recreation Department rents them out and events are open to the public. Now, all the closest parking spaces to the squares will be reserved by the Valet Services and the residents will be punished again. The Villages is looking more like a resort city than a retirement community. Many more residents will be spending more time in their homes because they won't be able to afford to enjoy many of daily, formerly free or low cost options that were the unique features that brought us here in the first place. I think the new, younger leadership of the Schwartz/Morse family has lost site of Grandpa's original intent.
Years ago, the residents of the New Jersey shore towns were appalled at the notion of charging patrons to go on the town's beaches. The reason was that the increased numbers of "visitors" had driven up the cost of beach maintenance, law enforcement, etc..Eventually, taxes increased, crime increased, and the residents found themselves catering to the "visitors". Our "retirement community" should be very careful not to evolve into a "resort city".
It already has

[Laurie2]

That's a "Bulls**t Artist" in need of a believing audience.

Valet parking is hardly an exotic service for Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous. It's done at even average bar-restaurants where parking is limited.

Aw, golly-gee-willikers, ya think?

But, sunnyatlast, never underestimate the entertainment value of a bull@*%# Artist. Besides, White Castle coffee is good stuff.

Bad Laurie.....and now goodnight :)

[njbchbum]

The squares are NOT public during the entertainment hours! They are leased or rented by the entertainment department. If they were public do you think the vendors could set up they way they do or anyone could carry drinks on 'public' sidewalks..........NO!

From whom does the entertainment department rent/lease the squares?

[mulligan]

My guess would be that the entertainment dept. ( a privately owned entity sold off a couple of years back ) has a license issued by Sumter county (the "owner" of the streets).

[redwitch]

1. It makes more sense to try it out after high season. That way, the kinks can be worked out before the place is mobbed.

2. After you've driven around for fifteen minutes trying to find a parking spot to see a show at the PAC (sorry, I think The Sharon sounds stupid and pretentious) and seeing a large area roped off for valet parking, you'll gladly hand your keys to the valet and have a great time. The next time, you won't even bother looking -- you'll go directly to the valet.

3. It may not be a moneymaker. Given the low cost, I wouldn't be surprised to discover it is being subsidized by the developer. If the cost keeps rising as time goes on, then that theory flies out of the window.

4. Don't bet on folks tipping. Ask the servers here how tips average out on a daily basis. This area is notorious for tipping low, regardless of how many here say they tip well.

Let's give it a chance. It may be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[bonrich]

For those of you who haven't had to visit the Villages Regional Hospital, there is Valet parking there in force 5 days per week, ending at 5PM. Charge is $5. Many pay it because finding a place to park is very difficult at best, especially if you are bringing in someone to the ER or Urgent Care dropping off a person and then trying to find a place to park. Impossible!! Villages should be making plans to put in a multi-floor parking garage with tunnel access into the Hospital.

[CFrance]

The squares are NOT public during the entertainment hours! They are leased or rented by the entertainment department. If they were public do you think the vendors could set up they way they do or anyone could carry drinks on 'public' sidewalks..........NO!
That's interesting, and I did not know this. Can anyone corroborate?

[NYGUY]

I think it is a great idea. Any decent size city has numerous valet parking operations at such places as restaurants, hospitals, malls, doctors offices etc. It is a convenience you can take advantage of or not!!

[dewilson58]

The squares are NOT public during the entertainment hours! They are leased or rented by the entertainment department. If they were public do you think the vendors could set up they way they do or anyone could carry drinks on 'public' sidewalks..........NO!

This is how rumors start.

[sunnyatlast]

For those of you who haven't had to visit the Villages Regional Hospital, there is Valet parking there in force 5 days per week, ending at 5PM. Charge is $5. Many pay it because finding a place to park is very difficult at best, especially if you are bringing in someone to the ER or Urgent Care dropping off a person and then trying to find a place to park. Impossible!! Villages should be making plans to put in a multi-floor parking garage with tunnel access into the Hospital.

Yes! And I think a multi-level parking garage is needed behind the Sharon performing arts center, plus valet parking for performances there and for nightly entertainment and retail on the square patrons.

[billethkid]

A couple of comments.
Insufficient handicap spaces does not equate to they are not in compliance.
As has been stated many times....it is a trial.

My guess is it will fail. Why? Imagine a popular event and many more than usual want to take advantage of valet parking. Now visualize a line of caes going around the circle and backing up into the feeder streets. This wouls also amount to reducing the traffic around the square down to one lane. And unlike the many places we have all been to with valet service, there will not be a dozen or more runners doing nothing but parking and getting cars. And if it were to be successful, and the spaces in front of the theatre are for drop off only, that means a substantial number of spaces will be blocked off in a parking area nearby.

The whole venture sounds good (to some) in theory. In practice I suspect it will not work very well.

Just for laughs (I hope):

what is the difference between a villager and a canoe?
Canoes tip!:clap2:

[aln]

My guess would be that the entertainment dept. ( a privately owned entity sold off a couple of years back ) has a license issued by Sumter county (the "owner" of the streets).

I'm not sure about Sumter County, but it's true in Lake County. The facts came to light during the parade issues a couple years ago.

[Allegiance]

I heard that it would be free valet service in SS paid for by the commercial space where Katie belles used to be. :)

[Halle]

We used to love going to the Church on the Square entertainment for a couple of dollars. Now that's gone, replaced with a venue costing upwards of $150 for entertainment. We loved going to "residents only" Katie Belles for very affordable entertainment or the Cattle Baron for a nice inexpensive buffet breakfast. Now that's going, replaced by, no doubt, a much more expensive alternative. Our Recreation Centers (built and operated by our amenities fees) were a "Villages ID" venue for our guests and residents use. Now, the recreation Department rents them out and events are open to the public. Now, all the closest parking spaces to the squares will be reserved by the Valet Services and the residents will be punished again. The Villages is looking more like a resort city than a retirement community. Many more residents will be spending more time in their homes because they won't be able to afford to enjoy many of daily, formerly free or low cost options that were the unique features that brought us here in the first place. I think the new, younger leadership of the Schwartz/Morse family has lost site of Grandpa's original intent.
Years ago, the residents of the New Jersey shore towns were appalled at the notion of charging patrons to go on the town's beaches. The reason was that the increased numbers of "visitors" had driven up the cost of beach maintenance, law enforcement, etc..Eventually, taxes increased, crime increased, and the residents found themselves catering to the "visitors". Our "retirement community" should be very careful not to evolve into a "resort city".

I agree when we bought our home here 7 years ago we thought we were buying a home in a Active Retirement Community not a "resort city". Many things have changed some for the better but from our perspective many more for the worse.
I'm sure some will give their stock answer of how home values have gone up and if we don't like it we can move which are both true. I would rather see changes made that would make us more or a Retirement Community and less of a resort city. One way to do this would be to do what many communities do only allow rentals for 6 months or more and owners benefits do not transfer to renters. If you rent a home in County Club community you do not get the home owners privileges at the Club why should it be any different here?

[Bonny]

I agree when we bought our home here 7 years ago we thought we were buying a home in a Active Retirement Community not a "resort city". Many things have changed some for the better but from our perspective many more for the worse.
I'm sure some will give their stock answer of how home values have gone up and if we don't like it we can move which are both true. I would rather see changes made that would make us more or a Retirement Community and less of a resort city. One way to do this would be to do what many communities do only allow rentals for 6 months or more and owners benefits do not transfer to renters. If you rent a home in County Club community you do not get the home owners privileges at the Club why should it be any different here?
So you want to have people renting for a full 6 months, but get no benefits that the homeowners would have if they were here ?

[Beechie]

So you want to have people renting for a full 6 months, but get no benefits that the homeowners would have if they were here ?

Yes Bonny, that is clearly the posters stance. There seems to be a mean spirit trending of late. I am sure there is no problem with snowbirds paying amenities for the whole year but only utilizing 6 months. This must be Self-Righteous Indignation month.

[CFrance]

Yes Bonny, that is clearly the posters stance. There seems to be a mean spirit trending of late. I am sure there is no problem with snowbirds paying amenities for the whole year but only utilizing 6 months. This must be Self-Righteous Indignation month.
That's a good one!

[Bonny]

Yes Bonny, that is clearly the posters stance. There seems to be a mean spirit trending of late. I am sure there is no problem with snowbirds paying amenities for the whole year but only utilizing 6 months. This must be Self-Righteous Indignation month.
:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[Halle]

So you want to have people renting for a full 6 months, but get no benefits that the homeowners would have if they were here ?

Yes as far amenities go, that is how it is done in most communities. I mentioned before if you rent in a community and the homeowner is a member of the Country Club those benefits don't transfer to the renter. The Villages is an exception to the rule as far a minimum rental time required and transfer of owner benefits. I'm discussing residential communities vice resort communities which are very different.

[EnglishJW]

We used to love going to the Church on the Square entertainment for a couple of dollars. Now that's gone, replaced with a venue costing upwards of $150 for entertainment. We loved going to "residents only" Katie Belles for very affordable entertainment or the Cattle Baron for a nice inexpensive buffet breakfast. Now that's going, replaced by, no doubt, a much more expensive alternative. Our Recreation Centers (built and operated by our amenities fees) were a "Villages ID" venue for our guests and residents use. Now, the recreation Department rents them out and events are open to the public. Now, all the closest parking spaces to the squares will be reserved by the Valet Services and the residents will be punished again. The Villages is looking more like a resort city than a retirement community. Many more residents will be spending more time in their homes because they won't be able to afford to enjoy many of daily, formerly free or low cost options that were the unique features that brought us here in the first place. I think the new, younger leadership of the Schwartz/Morse family has lost site of Grandpa's original intent.
Years ago, the residents of the New Jersey shore towns were appalled at the notion of charging patrons to go on the town's beaches. The reason was that the increased numbers of "visitors" had driven up the cost of beach maintenance, law enforcement, etc..Eventually, taxes increased, crime increased, and the residents found themselves catering to the "visitors". Our "retirement community" should be very careful not to evolve into a "resort city".


Thanks for a very thoughtful post.

[karostay]

Page C1 of The Daily Sun has an article about a test for valet parking that will begin April 27. An Orlando company will park your car for $10 or cart for $5 while you are at the evening entertainment and retrieve it when you are done.

This will (according to the diagram) use existing parking spaces in front of the LSL movie theater for valet spots. These are public streets. How can they be taken for a private company?

Is this the camel's nose under the tent to charge for seating on the squares - $5 if you want a prime spot and the free seats at the very back?

I wonder how many Villagers will pay $5 or $10 for valet parking? I know I will not!
Just another way for the developers to put a nickel in their pocket

[dbussone]

Just another way for the developers to put a nickel in their pocket

That's unfair. Most valet companies eat off of what they kill. I doubt TV gets a penny of the income. And if it is a failure, everyone will hunt and walk.

[Cisco Kid]

Many residents in the Villages are rarely ever happy when there is a change. Just another thing to complain about before it's even started.
My motto is don't worry be happy. :)

Rarely ever happy :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
U KILL ME

[dirtbanker]

Just for laughs (I hope):

what is the difference between a villager and a canoe?
Canoes tip!:clap2:

What is the difference between a Villager and a puppy?
A puppy eventually stops whining!

I am saddened that Katie Bells is closing...I doubt I will attend anything at the Sharon...I don't believe Valet parking is going to be a profitable business in TV.

[JoMar]

What is the difference between a Villager and a puppy?
A puppy eventually stops whining!

I am saddened that Katie Bells is closing...I doubt I will attend anything at the Sharon...I don't believe Valet parking is going to be a profitable business in TV.

It will be interesting to revisit yours and other posts in a year to see what impact actually occurs.

[Bogie Shooter]

What is the difference between a Villager and a puppy?
A puppy eventually stops whining!

I am saddened that Katie Bells is closing...I doubt I will attend anything at the Sharon...I don't believe Valet parking is going to be a profitable business in TV.

Part time? What does that mean?

[OldManTime]

Page C1 of The Daily Sun has an article about a test for valet parking that will begin April 27. An Orlando company will park your car for $10 or cart for $5 while you are at the evening entertainment and retrieve it when you are done.

This will (according to the diagram) use existing parking spaces in front of the LSL movie theater for valet spots. These are public streets. How can they be taken for a private company?

Is this the camel's nose under the tent to charge for seating on the squares - $5 if you want a prime spot and the free seats at the very back?

I wonder how many Villagers will pay $5 or $10 for valet parking? I know I will not!

Unless you are part of the rich and famous, you will be walking from the back of the parking lot to the Sharon. If the developer had a hart, he would provide FREE shuttle service for those that can't walk that far.

[Bonny]

Unless you are part of the rich and famous, you will be walking from the back of the parking lot to the Sharon. If the developer had a hart, he would provide FREE shuttle service for those that can't walk that far.
"Free shuttle" ? Who is going to get a vehicle and volunteer to sit out in the heat, rain, cold, etc. just incase someone needs a ride ? Or do you mean free and the developer will pay for it? Really ??

[tomwed]

Unless you are part of the rich and famous, you will be walking from the back of the parking lot to the Sharon. If the developer had a hart, he would provide FREE shuttle service for those that can't walk that far.
I disagree. If someone spends $150 for a pair of tickets, another $10 isn't going to matter. It's not a yard sale. You're going out for the night. Enjoy your blessings.

[Bogie Shooter]

Heartless Developer??

[tomwed]

Heartless Developer??
add that comment for me too

[ahayward65]

The valet parking in theory is a great idea. My question is what happens when a show ends and 1000 people come out and want their vehicles?

[FredJacobs]

In regard to the article about “testing” a valet parking service, I wonder who will benefit and who will lose out.

The charge for this service is purported to be $5 for golf carts and $10 for cars. The company representative said that the price is low when compared to other valet services. I may have seen an extra charge of $2 or so added to the parking fee but this is usually to assure that the valet gets a minimum tip. The same is true for venues that have free parking. Speaking of tips, the proposed valets had better be well paid because I don’t see anyone adding a tip.

In the diagram, that accompanied the article, it showed that 5 parking spaces (15 for golf carts – 3 carts parking perpendicular per space) would be lost to allow for dropping off the cars. Where will the valets park the vehicles in their care? Will they drive around and look for spots or will there be a large reserved area in the nearby parking lots? If the latter, then the result is a much greater loss in parking spots - maybe 20, 30 or even 40 spots that become unavailable to the public. All of this is added to the usual loss of parking spots on Market Nights. By the way, if they do set up a reserved area for the valets to park (I assume young men and women in their 20’s), I hope they have the good sense to rope off an area in the furthest corner of the lot and not make the rest park further away from the square. .

Having lived in large towns and cities, it has been my experience that when government imposes fees or taxes on an activity or product, it is because they want the added revenue or they want to reduce access to activity or both. The objective in this “test” is unclear. Is it to raise revenue? I laud the developer and the management team for their business acumen and entrepreneurship. But this seems to be squeezing nickels and dimes which, to me, is way beneath them. Is it to reduce the number of people coming to the squares? Why only Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter Landing? Is it to get more people to consider going to Brownwood? None of these reasons seem fair to the merchants and vendors at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs?

Here, at The Villages, we do not pay for parking. I’m afraid that this “test” will only be seen as paying an extra $10 for entertainment, dining or shopping at the squares. This will affect merchants around the squares who may see a loss of revenue and raise their prices to compensate. The vendors at Market Nights have the additional choice of not participating. Either way, it affects us all.

In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.

[JoMar]

The valet parking in theory is a great idea. My question is what happens when a show ends and 1000 people come out and want their vehicles?

Pretty much the same when 900+ came out of the Church on the Square. Not a big traffic difference and I doubt that 1000 people will use valet.

[looneycat]

In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.

the obvious answer is, if the service prospers there is a need for it, no need no service. In the past I have seen valet services using remote lots taxiing their people to the lot to return cars. Not knowing their plan I am not going to assume anything.

[JoMar]

In regard to the article about “testing” a valet parking service, I wonder who will benefit and who will lose out.

The charge for this service is purported to be $5 for golf carts and $10 for cars. The company representative said that the price is low when compared to other valet services. I may have seen an extra charge of $2 or so added to the parking fee but this is usually to assure that the valet gets a minimum tip. The same is true for venues that have free parking. Speaking of tips, the proposed valets had better be well paid because I don’t see anyone adding a tip.

In the diagram, that accompanied the article, it showed that 5 parking spaces (15 for golf carts – 3 carts parking perpendicular per space) would be lost to allow for dropping off the cars. Where will the valets park the vehicles in their care? Will they drive around and look for spots or will there be a large reserved area in the nearby parking lots? If the latter, then the result is a much greater loss in parking spots - maybe 20, 30 or even 40 spots that become unavailable to the public. All of this is added to the usual loss of parking spots on Market Nights. By the way, if they do set up a reserved area for the valets to park (I assume young men and women in their 20’s), I hope they have the good sense to rope off an area in the furthest corner of the lot and not make the rest park further away from the square. .

Having lived in large towns and cities, it has been my experience that when government imposes fees or taxes on an activity or product, it is because they want the added revenue or they want to reduce access to activity or both. The objective in this “test” is unclear. Is it to raise revenue? I laud the developer and the management team for their business acumen and entrepreneurship. But this seems to be squeezing nickels and dimes which, to me, is way beneath them. Is it to reduce the number of people coming to the squares? Why only Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter Landing? Is it to get more people to consider going to Brownwood? None of these reasons seem fair to the merchants and vendors at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs?

Here, at The Villages, we do not pay for parking. I’m afraid that this “test” will only be seen as paying an extra $10 for entertainment, dining or shopping at the squares. This will affect merchants around the squares who may see a loss of revenue and raise their prices to compensate. The vendors at Market Nights have the additional choice of not participating. Either way, it affects us all.

In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.

Sorry Fred, I will be one of those that will do what ever I can to make sure it succeeds. It's just another one of those services that some people will want to use and I resent you trying to infringe on my freedom, or the freedom of choices for others in TV, to choose what works for me.

[looneycat]

:thumbup:Pretty much the same when 900+ came out of the Church on the Square. Not a big traffic difference and I doubt that 1000 people will use valet.

:thumbup:

[Bonny]

In regard to the article about “testing” a valet parking service, I wonder who will benefit and who will lose out.

The charge for this service is purported to be $5 for golf carts and $10 for cars. The company representative said that the price is low when compared to other valet services. I may have seen an extra charge of $2 or so added to the parking fee but this is usually to assure that the valet gets a minimum tip. The same is true for venues that have free parking. Speaking of tips, the proposed valets had better be well paid because I don’t see anyone adding a tip.

In the diagram, that accompanied the article, it showed that 5 parking spaces (15 for golf carts – 3 carts parking perpendicular per space) would be lost to allow for dropping off the cars. Where will the valets park the vehicles in their care? Will they drive around and look for spots or will there be a large reserved area in the nearby parking lots? If the latter, then the result is a much greater loss in parking spots - maybe 20, 30 or even 40 spots that become unavailable to the public. All of this is added to the usual loss of parking spots on Market Nights. By the way, if they do set up a reserved area for the valets to park (I assume young men and women in their 20’s), I hope they have the good sense to rope off an area in the furthest corner of the lot and not make the rest park further away from the square. .

Having lived in large towns and cities, it has been my experience that when government imposes fees or taxes on an activity or product, it is because they want the added revenue or they want to reduce access to activity or both. The objective in this “test” is unclear. Is it to raise revenue? I laud the developer and the management team for their business acumen and entrepreneurship. But this seems to be squeezing nickels and dimes which, to me, is way beneath them. Is it to reduce the number of people coming to the squares? Why only Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter Landing? Is it to get more people to consider going to Brownwood? None of these reasons seem fair to the merchants and vendors at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs?

Here, at The Villages, we do not pay for parking. I’m afraid that this “test” will only be seen as paying an extra $10 for entertainment, dining or shopping at the squares. This will affect merchants around the squares who may see a loss of revenue and raise their prices to compensate. The vendors at Market Nights have the additional choice of not participating. Either way, it affects us all.

In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.
Really, are you serious ?

[graciegirl]

Can you just imagine what it must be like to live in the same house with a negative person who is always finding something to pick at or worry about?

There is reasonable, and there is Unreasonable, and then there is the private agenda and conspiracy and the word GREED.

I am so tired of it..

[Bonny]

You got that right !

[Bogie Shooter]

In regard to the article about “testing” a valet parking service, I wonder who will benefit and who will lose out.

The charge for this service is purported to be $5 for golf carts and $10 for cars. The company representative said that the price is low when compared to other valet services. I may have seen an extra charge of $2 or so added to the parking fee but this is usually to assure that the valet gets a minimum tip. The same is true for venues that have free parking. Speaking of tips, the proposed valets had better be well paid because I don’t see anyone adding a tip.

In the diagram, that accompanied the article, it showed that 5 parking spaces (15 for golf carts – 3 carts parking perpendicular per space) would be lost to allow for dropping off the cars. Where will the valets park the vehicles in their care? Will they drive around and look for spots or will there be a large reserved area in the nearby parking lots? If the latter, then the result is a much greater loss in parking spots - maybe 20, 30 or even 40 spots that become unavailable to the public. All of this is added to the usual loss of parking spots on Market Nights. By the way, if they do set up a reserved area for the valets to park (I assume young men and women in their 20’s), I hope they have the good sense to rope off an area in the furthest corner of the lot and not make the rest park further away from the square. .

Having lived in large towns and cities, it has been my experience that when government imposes fees or taxes on an activity or product, it is because they want the added revenue or they want to reduce access to activity or both. The objective in this “test” is unclear. Is it to raise revenue? I laud the developer and the management team for their business acumen and entrepreneurship. But this seems to be squeezing nickels and dimes which, to me, is way beneath them. Is it to reduce the number of people coming to the squares? Why only Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter Landing? Is it to get more people to consider going to Brownwood? None of these reasons seem fair to the merchants and vendors at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs?

Here, at The Villages, we do not pay for parking. I’m afraid that this “test” will only be seen as paying an extra $10 for entertainment, dining or shopping at the squares. This will affect merchants around the squares who may see a loss of revenue and raise their prices to compensate. The vendors at Market Nights have the additional choice of not participating. Either way, it affects us all.

In answer to my original question, the owners of the valet company benefits, The Villages, by collecting fees from vendors, benefits. Possible losers are merchants and through them, the general population.

I urge everyone to assure that this "test" fails.

This is all a bunch of balderdash. What an attempt to spread fear.
A service that may well serve a big portion of our community, that find it difficult to walk any great distance. And you want it to fail! How selfish is that>