It's One Crisis After Another

[downeaster]

Closing the Health Center, The Buffalo, Silver Lake Restaurant, Chula Vista Restaurant, El Santiago Club Restaurant, The "wall", Parades, Katie Belles, Expansion into Fruitland Park, Expansion in Marion County, 6" golf holes, Valet Parking, Expansion in Wildwood, and I am sure there have been many I have forgotten. They all seem to have one thing in common and that is drum roll here they have had no noticeable negative effect. One personal exception, I still haven't recovered from the closing of The Spanish Springs Brewery. That is somewhat offset by the continued presence of Ollies

[Jayhawk]

Closing the Health Center, The Buffalo, Silver Lake Restaurant, Chula Vista Restaurant, El Santiago Club Restaurant, The "wall", Parades, Katie Belles, Expansion into Fruitland Park, Expansion in Marion County, 6" golf holes, Valet Parking, Expansion in Wildwood, and I am sure there have been many I have forgotten. They all seem to have one thing in common and that is drum roll here they have had no noticeable negative effect. One personal exception, I still haven't recovered from the closing of The Spanish Springs Brewery. That is somewhat offset by the continued presence of Ollies

That's because for every old business or building that closes, multiple new ones open to take their place. The reality is some people are never happy unless they are miserable, and complaining is their tonic. Glad to see your comments. People who are permanently down bring everyone around them down. Ignore the Negative Nellie's. If you read posts from certain people you see they are always negative.


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[jrandall]

Here here
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[NYGUY]

Closing the Health Center, The Buffalo, Silver Lake Restaurant, Chula Vista Restaurant, El Santiago Club Restaurant, The "wall", Parades, Katie Belles, Expansion into Fruitland Park, Expansion in Marion County, 6" golf holes, Valet Parking, Expansion in Wildwood, and I am sure there have been many I have forgotten. They all seem to have one thing in common and that is drum roll here they have had no noticeable negative effect. One personal exception, I still haven't recovered from the closing of The Spanish Springs Brewery. That is somewhat offset by the continued presence of Ollies

And, a few more Big Bows:

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[DonH57]

Absolutely right. Ignore the negative Nellies and Debbie downers of the villages.

[redwitch]

Well, I gotta say that the removal of the buffalo was a big deal to me. I used to love watching them play at night when I couldn't sleep. Looking at a bunch of houses just doesn't bring the same smile to my face. And the wall most certainly was a very big deal. Some of it really does require a wait and see attitude. In the meantime, letting folks vent certainly hurts no one.

[Jayhawk]

Well, I gotta say that the removal of the buffalo was a big deal to me. I used to love watching them play at night when I couldn't sleep. Looking at a bunch of houses just doesn't bring the same smile to my face. And the wall most certainly was a very big deal. Some of it really does require a wait and see attitude. In the meantime, letting folks vent certainly hurts no one.

Irrational rants over things that are in real terms, progress, actually do harm people. What if some of these bitching posts influences someone to NOT choose to move here? They miss out on a wonderful lifestyle because less than 1% of the residents have a beef about something. We all know complainers are the smallest group with the loudest voices. In reality, how often did the unhappy residents really go to the square and fail to find a parking spot, patronize the former country clubs, or yes, even watch the buffalo?

No offense intended, but progress happens.


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[JoMar]

Absolutely right. Ignore the negative Nellies and Debbie downers of the villages.

Well those names should bring some comments from the ladies...lol.

[NJblue]

Irrational rants over things that are in real terms, progress, actually do harm people. What if some of these bitching posts influences someone to NOT choose to move here? They miss out on a wonderful lifestyle because less than 1% of the residents have a beef about something. We all know complainers are the smallest group with the loudest voices. In reality, how often did the unhappy residents really go to the square and fail to find a parking spot, patronize the former country clubs, or yes, even watch the buffalo?

No offense intended, but progress happens.


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By "progress" if you really mean "change" then I can agree with you. However, the definition of progress is "gradual betterment". I doubt that most people would look at the list of changes in the OP and view them as "betterment".

[DonH57]

Well those names should bring some comments from the ladies...lol.

I did forget the doubting Thomas's !:)

[Barefoot]

I did forget the doubting Thomas's !:)
And the Gary Grump Buckets!

[CarolSells]

And the Gary Grump Buckets!

Well, let's don't leave out the Left Field Larrys, Critical Charlies, and Opinionated Ollies!

[Justus]

Closing the Health Center, The Buffalo, Silver Lake Restaurant, Chula Vista Restaurant, El Santiago Club Restaurant, The "wall", Parades, Katie Belles, Expansion into Fruitland Park, Expansion in Marion County, 6" golf holes, Valet Parking, Expansion in Wildwood, and I am sure there have been many I have forgotten. They all seem to have one thing in common and that is drum roll here they have had no noticeable negative effect. One personal exception, I still haven't recovered from the closing of The Spanish Springs Brewery. That is somewhat offset by the continued presence of Ollies

Nice post! Breath of fresh air! Thank you!:angel:

[Biker Dog]

Well, I gotta say that the removal of the buffalo was a big deal to me. I used to love watching them play at night when I couldn't sleep. Looking at a bunch of houses just doesn't bring the same smile to my face.

WE also miss the buffalo (Bisons)... Grandparents holding their grandkids on the fence so they could try to feed them was totally stupid, and

"You Can't Fix Stupid":sing:

[Taltarzac725]

Closing the Health Center, The Buffalo, Silver Lake Restaurant, Chula Vista Restaurant, El Santiago Club Restaurant, The "wall", Parades, Katie Belles, Expansion into Fruitland Park, Expansion in Marion County, 6" golf holes, Valet Parking, Expansion in Wildwood, and I am sure there have been many I have forgotten. They all seem to have one thing in common and that is drum roll here they have had no noticeable negative effect. One personal exception, I still haven't recovered from the closing of The Spanish Springs Brewery. That is somewhat offset by the continued presence of Ollies

None of these seem to be crises. More like not anticipating growth of the Villages, perhaps for businesses going under not capitalizing or marketing themselves correctly, and trying to avoid legal liability problems as with the buffalo.

It will be interesting to see how well valet parking does here in the Villages? Seems like something that belongs more in Vegas, Hollywood or NYC than the Villages but perhaps it will help with those who do not get around very well. I would not expect a venture like that to get enough clients to stay afloat for any length of time.


The parades do seem to resemble one another after you have seen a dozen or so. There are always new people coming to the Villages who have not experienced these though.

[Bonny]

WE also miss the buffalo (Bisons)... Grandparents holding their grandkids on the fence so they could try to feed them was totally stupid, and

"You Can't Fix Stupid":sing:
Not even with duct tape !!

[Bogie Shooter]

By "progress" if you really mean "change" then I can agree with you. However, the definition of progress is "gradual betterment". I doubt that most people would look at the list of changes in the OP and view them as "betterment".

I disagree most would......................
A few would not...................

[graciegirl]

and the Malicious Mickeys.

[Bonny]

Don't forget the doubting Dans. :loco:

[dewilson58]

Absolutely right. Ignore the negative Nellies and Debbie downers of the villages.

When I was young, I dated Debbie Downer............boy do I have stories I could share.

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[Bonny]

When I was young, I dated Debbie Downer............boy do I have stories I could share.

:jester::jester:
Obviously I didn't date any, but I sure know some of them. :p

[2BNTV]

It's a popular misconception that when someone who is angry and blows off steam, they rid themselves of anger.

When you express anger, your are reliving what made you angry, and then continue to still be angry.

I once took a lady out to a Chinese restaurant and when she got her fortune cookie, there was no saying in the cookie. She said that was her type of luck. :(

How about pessimistic Peter or complaining Charlie. :smiley:

[NJblue]

While it may be fun to gang up on people that you disagree with and make up disparaging names for them, but let's not forget that the one real element of change here that can truly count as progress is the improved amenities north of 466 that came about because some "Negative Nancies", etc. took the developer to task about amenities and got him to agree to create a fund that is being used to improve the amenities in that section.

[graciegirl]

It's a popular misconception that when someone who is angry and blows off steam, they rid themselves of anger.

When you express anger, your are reliving what made you angry, and then continue to still be angry.

I once took a lady out to a Chinese restaurant and when she got her fortune cookie, there was no saying in the cookie. She said that was her type of luck. :(

How about pessimistic Peter or complaining Charlie. :smiley:

You are right and people spread rumors and pass on misinformation.

[justjim]

"Life is like a fast moving stream---you cannot touch it twice because the flow that has passed will never pass again" Anonymous

Even in your dreams, you could not predict the fast growth and development of The Villages over the last fifteen years. I say---job well done!

[tomwed]

WE also miss the buffalo (Bisons)... Grandparents holding their grandkids on the fence so they could try to feed them was totally stupid, and

"You Can't Fix Stupid":sing:
Yes, I wish I lived here when there were Buffalos. I heard back then, on TOTV, you hardly heard a discouraging word and when you golf the skies were not cloudy all day.

[Beechie]

While it may be fun to gang up on people that you disagree with and make up disparaging names for them, but let's not forget that the one real element of change here that can truly count as progress is the improved amenities north of 466 that came about because some "Negative Nancies", etc. took the developer to task about amenities and got him to agree to create a fund that is being used to improve the amenities in that section.

Nobody is complaining about bringing up ideas or concerns for discussion. Certainly we know when they are presented to the appropriate people in the appropriate fashion it can affect change. It just seems there are those few who delight in bashing anything Morse or The Villages as a whole. Incessant whining and malicious falsehoods reflect their disdain for the developer.

There are those who just choose to live their lives with the glass half empty.

[JoMar]

Not even with duct tape !!

But duct tape has so many other uses......:censored:

[Bonny]

But duct tape has so many other uses......:censored:
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[NJblue]

Nobody is complaining about bringing up ideas or concerns for discussion. Certainly we know when they are presented to the appropriate people in the appropriate fashion it can affect change. It just seems there are those few who delight in bashing anything Morse or The Villages as a whole. Incessant whining and malicious falsehoods reflect their disdain for the developer.

There are those who just choose to live their lives with the glass half empty.

I guess I don't keep track of other's posts to know whether when someone complains about something it is part of a pattern of incessant whining or not. However, it does seem that whenever a "discouraging word" is heard, the posse gangs up on them and accuses them of being Debbie Downers. Maybe it's warranted, but maybe not.

I tend to be more of a pragmatist and prefer to associate with people who call things as they see them - both good and bad. People who can never see any bad in the developers, are just as tiresome to me as those who can't see anything good with them.

[graciegirl]

I guess I don't keep track of other's posts to know whether when someone complains about something it is part of a pattern of incessant whining or not. However, it does seem that whenever a "discouraging word" is heard, the posse gangs up on them and accuses them of being Debbie Downers. Maybe it's warranted, but maybe not.

I tend to be more of a pragmatist and prefer to associate with people who call things as they see them - both good and bad. People who can never see any bad in the developers, are just as tiresome to me as those who can't see anything good with them.


The longer you are here, the more you know about how all things work. The developers will look better as time goes on. The real truth is that you know the flavor and mindset and even, politics of certain people and that colors their views of the developers. Both pro and con.

Many folks have an agenda. I have been accused of working for the developer and even a rumor was spread that Gary Morse bought my house for me. Which really makes my hair curl. Sweetie and I worked hard for every single thing we have.

[looneycat]

People who can never see any bad in the developers, are just as tiresome to me as those who can't see anything good with them.

those would be the 'nirvana nancies'

[NJblue]

The longer you are here, the more you know about how all things work. The developers will look better as time goes on. The real truth is that you know the flavor and mindset and even, politics of certain people and that colors their views of the developers. Both pro and con.

Many folks have an agenda. I have been accused of working for the developer and even a rumor was spread that Gary Morse bought my house for me. Which really makes my hair curl. Sweetie and I worked hard for every single thing we have.

That may be true with you, but, having been here about as long as you, it is the opposite with me. When we first moved here, I thought the developer was great and had the best interest of us Villagers as his primary interest. My glasses were tinted deep rose. Now, after seeing the many changes, almost all done from the perspective of profit and most often at the detrimant of what I value in terms of quality of life, I see the developers as just very good business people who know how to make tons of money. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but any notion that decisions are being made because it will make us happier has long gone for me.

The good news for us is that if we think about moving to any other place we can't think of one that is better. Our hope is that with continued changes that from our perspective are bad, that in 20 years we will continue to think that TV is the best place to be. That is why I titled one of my posts "Death by a Thousand Cuts". Any one thing, like the closing of KB, is not enough to make a great thing bad. However, a string of such changes may ultimately sway our view. It hasn't happened yet and when we talk to our friends and relatives, we still tell them we are living in a great place, because we are.

[Beechie]

I guess I don't keep track of other's posts to know whether when someone complains about something it is part of a pattern of incessant whining or not. However, it does seem that whenever a "discouraging word" is heard, the posse gangs up on them and accuses them of being Debbie Downers. Maybe it's warranted, but maybe not.

I tend to be more of a pragmatist and prefer to associate with people who call things as they see them - both good and bad. People who can never see any bad in the developers, are just as tiresome to me as those who can't see anything good with them.

I wasn't born yesterday and can certainly discern between a legitimate beef and a position based upon someones political ideology. There are some who struggle with those that are incredibly successful living out the American Dream. You know, those 1 percenters. How dare they make a profit. To your point, either extreme would be tiring. However, I can't subscribe to the examples given for their extreme displeasure, if not hatred. For the record I consider myself a pragmatist and a realist with a highly sensitive internal bs detector.

[mickey100]

That may be true with you, but, having been here about as long as you, it is the opposite with me. When we first moved here, I thought the developer was great and had the best interest of us Villagers as his primary interest. My glasses were tinted deep rose. Now, after seeing the many changes, almost all done from the perspective of profit and most often at the detrimant of what I value in terms of quality of life, I see the developers as just very good business people who know how to make tons of money. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but any notion that decisions are being made because it will make us happier has long gone for me.

The good news for us is that if we think about moving to any other place we can't think of one that is better. Our hope is that with continued changes that from our perspective are bad, that in 20 years we will continue to think that TV is the best place to be. That is why I titled one of my posts "Death by a Thousand Cuts". Any one thing, like the closing of KB, is not enough to make a great thing bad. However, a string of such changes may ultimately sway our view. It hasn't happened yet and when we talk to our friends and relatives, we still tell them we are living in a great place, because we are.

Well said. This place has a lot going for it, but is not perfect. We accept the imperfections at this point in time, but as time goes on, we may become less accepting.

[graciegirl]

Well said. This place has a lot going for it, but is not perfect. We accept the imperfections at this point in time, but as time goes on, we may become less accepting.


Posters should read back on negative posters posts. Just about EVERY one of them is the same. I would wager that 90 percent or more of some folks only have negative posts and they really get worked up to almost saliviicating when they can find ANYTHING to nail on the developer. Why is that??????

On the other hand there are those that are called Pollyanna's. Obviously those Pollyanna posters are not too bright, naïve, unfocused, uneducated, failures in life and under the spell of this place. Poor them.

[Mikeod]

I guess what bothers me are the posts that are certain changes will be negative before they even occur. A good example was the reconstruction of the Spanish Springs square. All the complaints that the pavers would catch heels and cause injury. Well, I don't see any problem with the result. Looks like a pretty smooth surface.

We have all the concern about parking with the opening of The Sharon, followed by more concern about valet parking which may be an attempt to mitigate problems. Posts are made asserting it will fail, even hoping it will fail. Posts certain that the area for valet parking will take away the best slots. How do they know the particulars? They don't. It's just speculation without any basis in facts.


How about waiting to see how it works first? Criticism of a real, existing problem is always worth discussing. I've seen many instances in my years here where a change was announced that raised some concern only to have it work out well. Their track record is pretty good.

[Beechie]

Well said. This place has a lot going for it, but is not perfect. We accept the imperfections at this point in time, but as time goes on, we may become less accepting.

And then what? No place is perfect. However, I would dare to say it's more perfect than most, if not all. This is not just me as about a hundred thousand seem to concur. It just happens to be the same old usual suspects with some sort of axe to grind. It's not as if there aren't things we think of that would make things even better and there is disappointment when things that are enjoyed or cherished are removed. In the case of the latter however our first reaction is not to double down on character assassination but more accepting of the changes with the hopes it all works out in the end (glass half full). Although in my mind it is not conceivable at this time, if at any time in the future we are not in favor of the then current status or direction The Villages is heading, we would simply sell.

[Bonny]

I only have one thing to say......
I love the Villages & the developers !!! This is an awesome place to live. 15 years and I still think it's fabulous. Thank you Harold and the Morse family for creating this place so I can live the wonderful lifestyle I live !!!
Just sayin' ! :D

[dbussone]

I only have one thing to say......
I love the Villages & the developers !!! This is an awesome place to live. 15 years and I still think it's fabulous. Thank you Harold and the Morse family for creating this place so I can live the wonderful lifestyle I live !!!
Just sayin' ! :D


I honestly can't say it any better. And I've only been here 3 years.

[Bonny]

I honestly can't say it any better. And I've only been here 3 years.
;).