It's just another dead black guy, thanks officer

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Is there are reason to keep posting these stories? Black guy walking down the street, 2 white cops see him and he sees the cops. He runs which automatically means he needs to be arrested even though I am not aware that running has been criminalized. He is arrested and soon is dead. Nothing to see here. The lesson is don't run from cops because they are your friends and only have your best interest at heart.

What happened to Freddie Gray in Baltimore? - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0420/What-happened-to-Freddie-Gray-in-Baltimore)

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Is there are reason to keep posting these stories? Black guy walking down the street, 2 white cops see him and he sees the cops. He runs which automatically means he needs to be arrested even though I am not aware that running has been criminalized. He is arrested and soon is dead. Nothing to see here. The lesson is don't run from cops because they are your friends and only have your best interest at heart.

What happened to Freddie Gray in Baltimore? - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0420/What-happened-to-Freddie-Gray-in-Baltimore)

What else needs to be said?

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I think that we should arrange for special elections in all minority neighborhoods where people believe this type of police action is the norm, and ask the question if they want police protection or not? I think it would produce some unexpected results, the sentiment of the OP notwithstanding.

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I don't accept the premise that too many are preaching and that being blacks are being profiled/picked on or what ever.

One would have to compare all the similar encounters regardless race of the cops or the perps.

This selective choosing of which cases to high profile to make a point is a racist tactic and nothing more.

As has been said time and time again. Just check the statictics...who commits the crimes against who/whom....who is jailed....who kills who/whom the most/least.

Are there a lot of blacks in prison because of prejudice? Of course not.

The subject is being worn out. Adds no value.

When the isolated cases are all there is to talk about it does not represent the norm....it matters not what race,, religion or political bent.

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I think some on this forum would characterize these unwarranted shootings as collateral damage and the price of war. Unfortunate, isn't it? The problem is some of these bad cops are not being held accountable.

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I think some on this forum would characterize these unwarranted shootings as collateral damage and the price of war. Unfortunate, isn't it? The problem is some of these bad cops are not being held accountable.

That's also true ... ie I agree with your point for a change.

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The only bad cops are the ones where the cop was white and the victim black.

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I think some on this forum would characterize these unwarranted shootings as collateral damage and the price of war. Unfortunate, isn't it? The problem is some of these bad cops are not being held accountable.
Very well stated. We used to do what we called RCFA (root cause failure analysis) when I was in manufacturing. It is very useful in all areas when you have a failure of some type and need to understand why so it doesn't happen again. It makes you really dig for causes. Without jumping to conclusions I'd have to guess that black crime and high emotional levels of police officers might show up on flip chart. If you listen to CNN cops are racist thugs which is not the case.

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Very well stated. We used to do what we called RCFA (root cause failure analysis) when I was in manufacturing. It is very useful in all areas when you have a failure of some type and need to understand why so it doesn't happen again. It makes you really dig for causes. Without jumping to conclusions I'd have to guess that black crime and high emotional levels of police officers might show up on flip chart. If you listen to CNN cops are racist thugs which is not the case.

Excellent points and insight ... particularly about RCFA ... thanks for posting.

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The only bad cops are the ones where the cop was white and the victim black.

I am 100% certain that the left wing cop hating websites were all over this recent case:

Alabama police officer arrested after Indian grandfather left partially paralyzed - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/11/alabama-cops-leave-a-grandfather-partially-paralyzed-after-frisk-goes-awry/)

and this case
White man beaten by police receives $650,000 settlement two weeks after incident (http://rollingout.com/criminal-behavior/white-man-beaten-police-receives-650000-settlement-two-weeks-incident/)

and many more.

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I am 100% certain that the left wing cop hating websites were all over this recent case:

Alabama police officer arrested after Indian grandfather left partially paralyzed - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/11/alabama-cops-leave-a-grandfather-partially-paralyzed-after-frisk-goes-awry/)

and this case
White man beaten by police receives $650,000 settlement two weeks after incident (http://rollingout.com/criminal-behavior/white-man-beaten-police-receives-650000-settlement-two-weeks-incident/)

and many more.
I did not see the grandfather story but did watch that bunch of cops kick and beat that guy after he layed down spread eagle after falling off horse. I'm not a lawyer and could have got that guy more than that. Stupid police work, if they didn't get fired they have a damn good union.

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And while we are on the topic of police unions. Today the Police Union for Baltimore, you know the one representing the cops who severed the spinal cord of topic of this thread. The leader of that union today expressed his opinion that the peaceful protesters of this police execution, the peaceful protesters who are calling for justice, those protesters are acting like a lynch mob. A LYNCH MOB. Could a stupider word have been used. It was black men who got lynched without trials or due process, not cops, To accuse a predominantly black and totally peaceful group of citizens calling for due process of acting like a bunch of white racist killers. Freud would certainly have understood the word choice of lynch mob and the feelings it bespoke.

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I am not a fan of unions. I am not a fan of prejudice. I think it is wrong to categorize a whole group for the actions of a few.

But when it smells like manure, it probably is. There are way too many of the urban poor with no direction or bad direction.

And they need way too many police officers. Some of the police officers are rotten.
I think the police are heavily more good than the guys they have to chase.

When you can't see the obvious, you start shouting political correctness.

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And while we are on the topic of police unions. Today the Police Union for Baltimore, you know the one representing the cops who severed the spinal cord of topic of this thread. The leader of that union today expressed his opinion that the peaceful protesters of this police execution, the peaceful protesters who are calling for justice, those protesters are acting like a lynch mob. A LYNCH MOB. Could a stupider word have been used. It was black men who got lynched without trials or due process, not cops, To accuse a predominantly black and totally peaceful group of citizens calling for due process of acting like a bunch of white racist killers. Freud would certainly have understood the word choice of lynch mob and the feelings it bespoke.

Ok, you've convinced me. Let's remove all the police from all the minority crime ridden areas. That way, no more incidents.

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Ok, you've convinced me. Let's remove all the police from all the minority crime ridden areas. That way, no more incidents.

When given this statement as an option it is what we used to call the least attractive alternative scenario.

If there were two options:
> leave the police coverage as is
> "...remove all the police from all the minority crime ridden areas..."

I suspect those voting would not accept the latter.

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I am 100% certain that the left wing cop hating websites were all over this recent case:

Alabama police officer arrested after Indian grandfather left partially paralyzed - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/11/alabama-cops-leave-a-grandfather-partially-paralyzed-after-frisk-goes-awry/)

and this case
White man beaten by police receives $650,000 settlement two weeks after incident (http://rollingout.com/criminal-behavior/white-man-beaten-police-receives-650000-settlement-two-weeks-incident/)

and many more.

I don't know about the left wing cop hating websites, however, hopefully the management of those organizations is all over these issues!

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I don't know about the left wing cop hating websites, however, hopefully the management of those organizations is all over these issues!

Excellent point ... this is indeed a senior leadership/management issue within these organizations and they need to take action to fix where needed.

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And while we are on the topic of police unions. Today the Police Union for Baltimore, you know the one representing the cops who severed the spinal cord of topic of this thread. The leader of that union today expressed his opinion that the peaceful protesters of this police execution, the peaceful protesters who are calling for justice, those protesters are acting like a lynch mob. A LYNCH MOB. Could a stupider word have been used. It was black men who got lynched without trials or due process, not cops, To accuse a predominantly black and totally peaceful group of citizens calling for due process of acting like a bunch of white racist killers. Freud would certainly have understood the word choice of lynch mob and the feelings it bespoke.


We don't have to use names on this forum to figure out who wrote THAT.

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We don't have to use names on this forum to figure out who wrote THAT.

I don't know who the TOTV author is but it sounds like Al Sharpton in sprit.

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Looks like someone else is calling a spade a spade. I like it!

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Is there are reason to keep posting these stories? Black guy walking down the street, 2 white cops see him and he sees the cops. He runs which automatically means he needs to be arrested even though I am not aware that running has been criminalized. He is arrested and soon is dead. Nothing to see here. The lesson is don't run from cops because they are your friends and only have your best interest at heart.

What happened to Freddie Gray in Baltimore? - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0420/What-happened-to-Freddie-Gray-in-Baltimore)

excuse me, but we are supposed to take the christian science monitor as 'gospell ? :faint:

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Take 100 people here in TV in separate incidents. When confronted with police coming toward them, how many would turn and run or leave?

After the police identify themselves and yell stop how many would still flee or continue to flee?

Too many are taking a sympathetic position and claiming who was right and who was wrong.

How about we start with the very positive common sense rule/law/guide line? Do not run from the police!!!!

How about an opinion list of the reason(s) anybody would turn and run from the police?

A reasonable assumption proven day in and day out for 99% of us here in the USA....if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.

And of course the media, politicians including those in the WH, special interest groups and radicals will only focus on the 1%. And in that 1% how many would be uneventful if the citizen did not turn and run?

I for one am sick and tired of the undeserved attitude being promoted about those who protect and serve us.

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I'm a white guy, I understand why a young black guy living in the inner city might run, might fear the police, might have heard a lot of stories about their friends and relatives who were not treated with the same respect I will be treated. I understand why the guy who got shot in the back and killed in S. Carolina ran. I have been told stories by many a Villager of their adolescent pranks and running from cops. It wasn't expected then that running from a cop was an excuse for them to fire, nor is it acceptable now.

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More than 99% of police in America have never needed the "excuse" to fire.

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More than 99% of police in America have never needed the "excuse" to fire.

I know this is an ambiguous statement and will be exploited by some few here on this forum.

No it does not mean the 99% do not need the excuse to fire.

It does mean the 99% of police in America do it right. Some of the one percent do it wrong. Some of the one percent do it by mistake. At the one percent level let us not split hairs.

If you don't like one percent....make it two!

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Wow. Running while black is another capital offense if you're a tea ******! Give me a break.

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excuse me, but we are supposed to take the christian science monitor as 'gospell ? :faint:


The Christian Science Monitor is one of the oldest and most respected publications in the country. And gospel only has one L. The ignorance on this forum is astounding.

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Wow. Running while black is another capital offense if you're a tea ******! Give me a break.
I think you confuse racial profiling and criminal profiling. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck. I'm trying but having a very hard time matching your level of empathy for the group I see rioting in Baltimore.

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I think you confuse racial profiling and criminal profiling. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck. I'm trying but having a very hard time matching your level of empathy for the group I see rioting in Baltimore.

Some have empathy for the ones who were shot and are dead and can't protest or riot.

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Take 100 people here in TV in separate incidents. When confronted with police coming toward them, how many would turn and run or leave?

After the police identify themselves and yell stop how many would still flee or continue to flee?

Too many are taking a sympathetic position and claiming who was right and who was wrong.

How about we start with the very positive common sense rule/law/guide line? Do not run from the police!!!!

How about an opinion list of the reason(s) anybody would turn and run from the police?

A reasonable assumption proven day in and day out for 99% of us here in the USA....if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.

And of course the media, politicians including those in the WH, special interest groups and radicals will only focus on the 1%. And in that 1% how many would be uneventful if the citizen did not turn and run?

I for one am sick and tired of the undeserved attitude being promoted about those who protect and serve us.

I empathize with you since there is an undeserved attitude toward Muslims since 1% of them happen to be radical and several on this forum focus on them. Why can't we just focus on the bad apples and not assume everyone in a certain group are undeserving?

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I empathize with you since there is an undeserved attitude toward Muslims since 1% of them happen to be radical and several on this forum focus on them. Why can't we just focus on the bad apples and not assume everyone in a certain group are undeserving?

Actually, the radical element is estimated by the Intelligence community to be more in the range of 10-20%. There are about 1.4 billion Muslims in the world so do the math. In addition, the core teachings are imperialist (ie world expansion until all submit to Islam etc ...) and, for sure, anti-Semitic.

But, in the meantime, let's get back to the thread. (Start a new one if you want ... will be happy to educate you there.)

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Some have empathy for the ones who were shot and are dead and can't protest or riot.

Do you feel any empathy for the millions of inner city residents whose lives have been ruined, and prospects for a decent future, ruined by 50 years of empathic but totally ineffectual liberalism? Do you feel sorry for the black family since it's essentially been destroyed with 70% plus of the new kids born out of wedlock? just asking ...

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Actually, the radical element is estimated by the Intelligence community to be more in the range of 10-20%. There are about 1.4 billion Muslims in the world so do the math. In addition, the core teachings are imperialist (ie world expansion until all submit to Islam etc ...) and, for sure, anti-Semitic.

But, in the meantime, let's get back to the thread. (Start a new one if you want ... will be happy to educate you there.)

It is unfortunate your source of "estimates " are clearly distorted as are your views toward humanity and the Muslim religion. With 1.57 billion Muslims in the world, one would think there would be significantly more "terrorists". 20% would almost equal the total population of the USA or 300 million. I hope you find this educational.

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Do you feel any empathy for the millions of inner city residents whose lives have been ruined, and prospects for a decent future, ruined by 50 years of empathic but totally ineffectual liberalism? Do you feel sorry for the black family since it's essentially been destroyed with 70% plus of the new kids born out of wedlock? just asking ...

Yes I feel empathy, however, do not agree with your premise that it is due to ineffectual liberalism. You find many treatise on the cause of family dysfunction in the black community besides your errant simplified characterization.

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It is unfortunate your source of "estimates " are clearly distorted as are your views toward humanity and the Muslim religion. With 1.57 billion Muslims in the world, one would think there would be significantly more "terrorists". 20% would almost equal the total population of the USA or 300 million. I hope you find this educational.


No, they are not distorted.

Have you ever read a biography of Mohammed? Do you know what the basic tenets of Islam are? Do you know its early military history? I'm gonna guess no to all.

I'm simply reporting the reality. You are clinging to the PC view pushed by CAIR and others, which by the way, is a Muslim Brotherhood subsidiary. Your intentions are likely good ... you just don't have the background nor do you understand what you're talking about.

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Yes I feel empathy, however, do not agree with your premise that it is due to ineffectual liberalism. You find many treatise on the cause of family dysfunction in the black community besides your errant simplified characterization.

Ok, then please elaborate if you think you have a better analysis. I disagree and will respond, but would like for you to first make your case.

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No, they are not distorted.

Have you ever read a biography of Mohammed? Do you know what the basic tenets of Islam are? Do you know its early military history? I'm gonna guess no to all.

I'm simply reporting the reality. You are clinging to the PC view pushed by CAIR and others, which by the way, is a Muslim Brotherhood subsidiary. Your intentions are likely good ... you just don't have the background nor do you understand what you're talking about.

You are very stubborn and misinformed in your close-minded views and unfortunately you will continue to maintain those views. I am sure you feel self righteous and proud of your wayward patriotic attitude. However, I am well read and I have spent time in Muslim countries (with over 1.5 billion in the world is not hard to do) and have my own experiences to draw from.

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Ok, then please elaborate if you think you have a better analysis. I disagree and will respond, but would like for you to first make your case.

It is lot more complicated than your "treatise" of ineffectual liberalism. I am sure you could write a book on that assumption as others who have studied the issue and came to a different conclusion.

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You are very stubborn and misinformed in your close-minded views and unfortunately you will continue to maintain those views. I am sure you feel self righteous and proud of your wayward patriotic attitude. However, I am well read and I have spent time in Muslim countries (with over 1.5 billion in the world is not hard to do) and have my own experiences to draw from.

Well, let's agree to disagree for the moment. At some point, I will start a thread on the nature of Islam and perhaps you can participate? I'm sure you can add to the discussion, and I appreciate your views but simply disagree. 80% or so of all Muslims are indeed decent people, who want to live in peace and I'm sure that's the type folks you interacted with. I have fond memories of Indonesia, for example. But the problem with Islam historically, and it literally dates back to Mohammed himself, is the minority runs the show. It's not hard to understand why this is either.

Mohammed instilled the notion of terrorizing "non-believers" into supporting his religion. It's a complicated topic but not much has changed in the basic method of expansion in the last 1,400 years or so ... Islam is by the sword, not the word as with Christianity or Judaism. One of many incidents provides insight. Mohammed got kicked out of Mecca and moved to Medina circa 622AD, but it was then called Yathrib. The Jewish tribe ran the show, but over time, Mohammed defeated them military and personally supervised the beheading of about 900 Jewish men and then sold their women/children sold into slavery. That's also to where the endemic strain of anti-Semitism in Islam can trace its roots.

One thing about your post puzzles me though. You said I have a "...wayward patriotic attitude." Do you consider yourself to be an American Patriot? Or, does the word 'patriot" perhaps embarrass you, or cause your eyes to roll? Why would you be critical of patriotism? It seems to me that without patriots who have gone before us, neither you nor I would have ever been able to enjoy the liberties and freedoms America provides us all. That includes TOTV PF ironically enough.