The Nerve of Some People

[Richard1366]

Went to Toojay's the other evening for dinner. Standing in line behind us was a group of 15 people, one of the women had a small white dog on a leash in the restaurant with a vest on and a patch saying "Comfort Dog." I am not a dog fancier and don't like them in restaurants, with the exception of TRUE service dogs. "Comfort Dogs" are not recognized as service dogs and as such are not allowed in restaurants. I would guess that the staff at Toojay's wouldn't say anything for fear of getting sued, even though the suit would be tossed out as being without merit. Now that I know, I'll say something the next time!!

[RickeyD]

Went to Toojay's the other evening for dinner. Standing in line behind us was a group of 15 people, one of the women had a small white dog on a leash in the restaurant with a vest on and a patch saying "Comfort Dog." I am not a dog fancier and don't like them in restaurants, with the exception of TRUE service dogs. "Comfort Dogs" are not recognized as service dogs and as such are not allowed in restaurants. I would guess that the staff at Toojay's wouldn't say anything for fear of getting sued, even though the suit would be tossed out as being without merit. Now that I know, I'll say something the next time!!


I love dogs but I do agree with you, dogs don't belong in restaurants. Obviously the offender thinks she is entitled to whatever society will tolerate. BTW, she had no right under the ADA to bring her animal into a restaurant.

[Cisco Kid]

went to toojay's the other evening for dinner. Standing in line behind us was a group of 15 people, one of the women had a small white dog on a leash in the restaurant with a vest on and a patch saying "comfort dog." i am not a dog fancier and don't like them in restaurants, with the exception of true service dogs. "comfort dogs" are not recognized as service dogs and as such are not allowed in restaurants. I would guess that the staff at toojay's wouldn't say anything for fear of getting sued, even though the suit would be tossed out as being without merit. Now that i know, i'll say something the next time!!

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[Greg Nelson]

Dogs rule the world...We had friends in Florida that would NOT go anywhere without their dog...including restaurants...

[graciegirl]

I love. LOVE, dogs but that is really pushing the envelope. It does not help with those who are on the fence or lukewarm to dogs to help them understand why we dog and cat lovers care so deeply about our pets. It just seems pushy to me. So different from a dog for the blind, which I really haven't seen here.

Now I will be beat upon. I hate pushy and I hate selfish and I hate those who just do things because the rest of us are so nice.

I like dogs so much better than people some times. and I love kitties too.

Aim and throw.

[jimmemac]

I love dogs and I took mine many places but not to the squares when they are busy and not to restaurants. In general as a courtesy I never took them where there was going to be a lot of people-a courtesy to the people and my dog.

[tuccillo]

I wonder if this is an issue with whoever does health inspections. Full disclosure: I love dogs.

Went to Toojay's the other evening for dinner. Standing in line behind us was a group of 15 people, one of the women had a small white dog on a leash in the restaurant with a vest on and a patch saying "Comfort Dog." I am not a dog fancier and don't like them in restaurants, with the exception of TRUE service dogs. "Comfort Dogs" are not recognized as service dogs and as such are not allowed in restaurants. I would guess that the staff at Toojay's wouldn't say anything for fear of getting sued, even though the suit would be tossed out as being without merit. Now that I know, I'll say something the next time!!

[OBXNana]

Did you ask to speak to the manager? If you found their answer didn't satisfy you and the dog situation was bothersome to you, I hope you left and went to another restaurant.

The issue is beyond a love of dogs and if they should or should not be permitted in a restaurant. You have to ask yourself when something occurs and is not within your power to change, do you continue on the course and accept or do you become agitated? I personally roll with the punches and wouldn't let this ruin my meal. If I couldn't enjoy my meal because of the dog and couldn't shake the frustration, I'd go elsewhere. Life is too short to allow a situation that is frustrating to harbor within you.

[redwitch]

Sadly, she can get away with it. All she has to do is claim the dog is an emotional support dog. Of course, the restaurant can legally ask for proof, but who's going to risk that mess?

ES dogs are trained. They are especially helpful for people suffering from PTSD. Those dogs (and other animals) are recognized by the ADA when the individual has a note from a doctor, therapist or psychiatrist stating there is a need for the animal.

On the plus side, at least she wasn't carrying a pig.

[Barefoot]

I love dogs and I took mine many places. But not to the squares when they are busy and not to restaurants. In general as a courtesy I never took them where there was going to be a lot of people - a courtesy to the people and my dog.

Most dog lovers feel the same way.
A few inconsiderate people give the rest of us a bad name.

[jebartle]

Doesn't Toojay have outside seating.....Maybe, just maybe, that would have been tolerated a little easier.

[villagetinker]

Went to Toojay's the other evening for dinner. Standing in line behind us was a group of 15 people, one of the women had a small white dog on a leash in the restaurant with a vest on and a patch saying "Comfort Dog." I am not a dog fancier and don't like them in restaurants, with the exception of TRUE service dogs. "Comfort Dogs" are not recognized as service dogs and as such are not allowed in restaurants. I would guess that the staff at Toojay's wouldn't say anything for fear of getting sued, even though the suit would be tossed out as being without merit. Now that I know, I'll say something the next time!!

After reading all comments, I did some research, and here is the link to the ADA document for service animals. From what I read, we the other patrons and the facility owner/personnel would have no choice but to allow the person and their animal in. Full disclosure, I love cats.

This was interesting reading.

Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals (http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm)

[tuccillo]

I have never heard the term "Comfort Dog". Is that actually a "Service Animal"??

After reading all comments, I did some research, and here is the link to the ADA document for service animals. From what I read, we the other patrons and the facility owner/personnel would have no choice but to allow the person and their animal in. Full disclosure, I love cats.

This was interesting reading.

Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals (http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm)

[rubicon]

All I can envision is being seated and ready to dig into my meal and little Fido proceeds in a squat position....end of my meal...check please

[dbussone]

All I can envision is being seated and ready to dig into my meal and little Fido proceeds in a squat position....end of my meal...check please


Wait until it's not a dog, but a monkey, miniature pony, pig, etc that is brought into the restaurant - or even on a plane. The PC police at the ADA have recently approved additional animals.

[villagetinker]

I have never heard the term "Comfort Dog". Is that actually a "Service Animal"??

That is what I got from the ADA document.

[redwitch]

Unless there have been recent revisions, a comfort animal is not covered unless it is also an emotional support animal. Tricky and good luck differentiating. A comfort animal does not require a letter or note from a certified professional. It requires no training. An ES animal is trained to sense when it's master is becoming distressed or emotional and reacts accordingly. A CA simply makes the owner feel good and a declaration by the owner is sufficient to get a CA classification.

As to the animal not having to be a dog, blame the courts. It took a lawsuit to change from dog to animal. Not everything is the fault of PCness or even we liberals.

[Cisco Kid]

All I can envision is being seated and ready to dig into my meal and little Fido proceeds in a squat position....end of my meal...check please
:bigbow::bigbow:
I knew you would have the best take on this.

[tuccillo]

So, do CAs quality to be on an airplane, in restaurants, etc.??

Unless there have been recent revisions, a comfort animal is not covered unless it is also an emotional support animal. Tricky and good luck differentiating. A comfort animal does not require a letter or note from a certified professional. It requires no training. An ES animal is trained to sense when it's master is becoming distressed or emotional and reacts accordingly. A CA simply makes the owner feel good and a declaration by the owner is sufficient to get a CA classification.

As to the animal not having to be a dog, blame the courts. It took a lawsuit to change from dog to animal. Not everything is the fault of PCness or even we liberals.

[tomwed]

I agree you don't bring a dog in a restaurant. [seeing eye dogs, the exception]
I also would never buy a used mattress.

But when you think about it, if there is a dog in the house, and that's where you eat, isn't that the same?
And someone pointed out to me a little while ago that when you sleep in a hotel you are sleeping on a used mattress.

[annaconner]

In Sonny's on Sunday I was utterly amazed to see a dog in a stroller and owner being shown to a table - I had to do a double take.

[George Bieniaszek]

I was watching a story on television on one of the nightly news shows about "Comfort Animals". The story was about one person who wished to travel on a plane and bring her dog with her. She didn't want her dog in the cargo hold, so she went on-line and found an organization, that, for a fee, gave her a certificate and a "Comfort Dog" harness so she could have her dog on the plane next to her. She didn't need to provide any documentation, medical or otherwise to prove that she needed a comfort animal. Only requirement was that her check for payment cleared.

Good thing it was a "Comfort Dog" and not a "Comfort Rhinoceros"

[redwitch]

So, do CAs quality to be on an airplane, in restaurants, etc.??

Technically, no but I'd be hard pressed to argue with someone about it if I were the manager. It is just too murky of a law and confidentiality makes it difficult. ES animals are to be treated the same as seeing eye dogs.

Also, ES animals do not have to have any special visible identification although most handlers do have vests or collars advising this is a working animal. ES animals are used primarily for persons with autism, vets suffering PTSD, agoraphobics and other mental illnesses where an animal can be of extreme benefit. As was pointed out, a CA requires nothing more than some money to get an online vest and certificate. The sad thing is that those skirting the law are creating extreme hardship for those who truly need these wonderful service animals.

[dirtbanker]

If you cant beat them join them. Buy a bull mastiff, train him to attacking mops, order your online vest and take him to Too Jays for lunch.

Full disclosure: I am joking, I love dogs, despise cats, think little of rude people who have no medical issues and want to take their pets to dinner...would laugh my ass off watching a bull mastiff (Turner and Hooch) destroying the restaurant chasing that rude person's mop dog (schitsonyou).

[looneycat]

After reading all comments, I did some research, and here is the link to the ADA document for service animals. From what I read, we the other patrons and the facility owner/personnel would have no choice but to allow the person and their animal in. Full disclosure, I love cats.

This was interesting reading.

Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals (http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm)

provided it was trained by qualified personnel to perform a specific service task, those who abuse the rules know they are doing it for selfish reasons. it's on them

[Carla B]

From what I gather, an owner of a service or comfort animal doesn't need to prove any disability...there are many "services" on line that will register a dog just for a fee. I know someone who did that so their min pin could fly in the airplane cabin with them. Probably easier than getting a handicap sticker for a vehicle.

It appears the ADA law invites abuse.

[dbussone]

Unless there have been recent revisions, a comfort animal is not covered unless it is also an emotional support animal. Tricky and good luck differentiating. A comfort animal does not require a letter or note from a certified professional. It requires no training. An ES animal is trained to sense when it's master is becoming distressed or emotional and reacts accordingly. A CA simply makes the owner feel good and a declaration by the owner is sufficient to get a CA classification.

As to the animal not having to be a dog, blame the courts. It took a lawsuit to change from dog to animal. Not everything is the fault of PCness or even we liberals.

And a CA classification is something you can purchase on line with the animal having no special training. If people were not so concerned about the PC police I doubt the courts or the Internet vendors would get away with this. Please don't mistake my comments as being opposed to the appropriate recognition of handicapped status. My wife has MS and uses a 4 wheel walker. And she's tougher than I am - believe me.

[dbussone]

From what I gather, an owner of a service or comfort animal doesn't need to prove any disability...there are many "services" on line that will register a dog just for a fee. I know someone who did that so their min pin could fly in the airplane cabin with them. Probably easier than getting a handicap sticker for a vehicle.

It appears the ADA law invites abuse.

Excellent analysis.

[redwitch]

A service dog is required to have documentation. It can be a simply worded letter from a certified therapist stating that the animal is needed for emotional support. Anything more detailed would be in violation of the HIPPA laws. Again, a comfort animal is NOT qualified to be an emotional support animal although an emotional support animal may also be a comfort animal. Those who get the online certificates know they are frauds. What they don't understand is the harm they are doing to those who truly need ES animals -- they are being accused of the abuse perpetrated by these frauds and condemned and vilified because of it.

I sincerely wish that public domains would have the gumption to stand on their hind legs and demand to see proof that the dog is more than just something to pet. The ADA laws need to be properly enforced, whether it be handicapped parking, wheelchair access or ES dogs. Scofflaws should face very heavy fines and social ostracization. (Get the feeling I feel very strongly about this?)

[Cisco Kid]

From what I gather, an owner of a service or comfort animal doesn't need to prove any disability...there are many "services" on line that will register a dog just for a fee. I know someone who did that so their min pin could fly in the airplane cabin with them. Probably easier than getting a handicap sticker for a vehicle.

It appears the ADA law invites abuse.

Side note to this thread.
Is there a ADA expert on this forum ?
I would like to talk to one.
Not about a dog.

[manaboutown]

My first encounter with a CA occurred on a group in trip France. It was a small white poodle, very well behaved. The dog could sense when her mistress's blood pressure went up and reacted. Holding the dog brought it down. (Of course, the mistress's cigarette chain smoking could not have been doing her blood pressure any good.) The French love dogs, especially poodles. The pup was no problem at all and very popular wherever we went, even in Versailles!

[dbussone]

Side note to this thread.
Is there a ADA expert on this forum ?
I would like to talk to one.
Not about a dog.

Oh Cisco!

[Cisco Kid]

Oh Cisco!

Cisco is serious

[villagetinker]

Not an expert, but the ADA document (I posted the link earlier) appears to be very clear, you cannot do anything with respect to a service animal or apparently a comfort animal.......
The way this document is written, I would be real nervous even telling a person with a CA that I was leaving because of their animal.

[dbussone]

Cisco is serious

And rightly so. I've talked with numerous "experts" about comfort animals, and the responses are all over the board. I think we need to have an opinion from the attorney for the ADA agency to settle this.

[tomwed]

Service Animals and Emotional Support Animals (https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet)

Who is the ADA National Network?

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The ADA National Network consists of 10 regional centers and an ADA Knowledge Translation Center. The regional centers are distributed throughout the United States to provide local assistance and foster implementation of the ADA. Funded by the National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR), the ADA National Network provides information, guidance and training on the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), tailored to meet the needs of business, government and individuals at local, regional and national levels. The Network is not an enforcement or regulatory agency, but a helpful resource supporting the ADA's mission to "make it possible for everyone with a disability to live a life of freedom and equality."

[dbussone]

Emotional support animals, comfort animals, and therapy dogs are not service animals under Title II and Title III of the ADA. Other species of animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not considered service animals either. The work or tasks performed by a service animal must be directly related to the individual’s disability. It does not matter if a person has a note from a doctor that states that the person has a disability and needs to have the animal for emotional support. A doctor’s letter does not turn an animal into a service animal.

This will not end the discussion regarding CA or ES identified animals.

[Spikearoni]

Sadly, she can get away with it. All she has to do is claim the dog is an emotional support dog. Of course, the restaurant can legally ask for proof, but who's going to risk that mess?

ES dogs are trained. They are especially helpful for people suffering from PTSD. Those dogs (and other animals) are recognized by the ADA when the individual has a note from a doctor, therapist or psychiatrist stating there is a need for the animal.

On the plus side, at least she wasn't carrying a pig.

You are entirely correct. We even saw a dog on a cruise ship recently for the same reason: emotional support. Lucky dog

[Buckeyephan]

There was a thread about renting houses to people with service animals. Even if you advertise no pets, they can rent and aren't responsible for additional cleaning fees. It was an emotional discussion. There was a poodle in church a few weeks ago. Sat on the woman's lap. She came in late and left at communion. It wore a vest but I couldn't see if there was wording on it. She sat in front of us and I hate to admit how distracting it was even though well behaved.

[Sandtrap328]

Go to the websites of the major airlines and you will see their policies on allowing Emotional Support Animals to travel with the passenger.

It is not like just showing up at the airport with your dog. The airline must know about it in advance.

Personally, I would rather sit next to a well-trained dog or cat on the plane than next to a crying child. And do not tell me I am alone on the preference!

[ukgolfer]

Go to the websites of the major airlines and you will see their policies on allowing Emotional Support Animals to travel with the passenger.

It is not like just showing up at the airport with your dog. The airline must know about it in advance.

Personally, I would rather sit next to a well-trained dog or cat on the plane than next to a crying child. And do not tell me I am alone on the preference!

That's lame what if the dog is a whinging hound , I would pick a well behaved child any day

[CFrance]

I don't think whinging hounds are normally used for service dogs.

[Walt.]

Those who get the online certificates know they are frauds. What they don't understand is the harm they are doing to those who truly need ES animals -- they are being accused of the abuse perpetrated by these frauds and condemned and vilified because of it.



Why do you assume they "don't understand..." what the consequences are? Do you think the able bodied people fraudulently obtaining Handicapped Parking stickers don't understand about the actual handicapped peoples plight? A while back I read about a guy suing for a Handicapped Sticker on the grounds that he was suffering from a handicap; it was depression. Yeah... that really merits a shorter walk to the grocery store.
Everyone is just be too afraid to crack down on this abuse. Someone might say they're "against the handicapped" and "cruel and heartless"... Then everyone jumps on the "see how much I care" bandwagon and nothing gets done.

[Bonanza]

That's lame what if the dog is a whinging hound , I would pick a well behaved child any day

I don't think whinging hounds are normally used for service dogs.


Shouldn't "whinging" (sic) be capitalized?
Is that a new breed???
:shrug:

[graciegirl]

Shouldn't "whinging" (sic) be capitalized?

Is that a new breed???

:shrug:



I think he was just winging it.

I would like to sit next to a dog, just about anytime. I also love children, even if they are whining, and I have some great tricks to get them to stop. Kids, old men and drunks just love me.

But sometimes I think people take advantage of others and use excuses that are lies like I am guessing the women carrying a dog into TooJays was doing.

It wouldn't bother me, but it would bother others, and generally they aren't allowed, and that is the point. Just follow the rules, please Lady with the small dog. You are making it harder for people to understand those who love furries.

[dbussone]

I think he was just winging it.



I would like to sit next to a dog, just about anytime. I also love children, even if they are whining, and I have some great tricks to get them to stop. Kids, old men and drunks just love me.



But sometimes I think people take advantage of others and use excuses that are lies like I am guessing the women carrying a dog into TooJays was doing.



It wouldn't bother me, but it would bother others, and generally they aren't allowed, and that is the point. Just follow the rules, please.


And a few young"ish" men also. (Perhaps in my mind I'm young anyway)

[Sandtrap328]

That's lame what if the dog is a whinging hound , I would pick a well behaved child any day

You did notice in my post that I clearly stated a well-behaved dog or cat versus a crying child.

However, I have never had the opportunity to be seated next to a dog or cat on a plane.

[Sandtrap328]

Why do you assume they "don't understand..." what the consequences are? Do you think the able bodied people fraudulently obtaining Handicapped Parking stickers don't understand about the actual handicapped peoples plight? A while back I read about a guy suing for a Handicapped Sticker on the grounds that he was suffering from a handicap; it was depression. Yeah... that really merits a shorter walk to the grocery store.
Everyone is just be too afraid to crack down on this abuse. Someone might say they're "against the handicapped" and "cruel and heartless"... Then everyone jumps on the "see how much I care" bandwagon and nothing gets done.

I don't understand who the depressed person would sue? The handicapped parking card application must be completed by a physician and states on it what type of walking restrictions the applicant must have to obtain the card. It may not be a visible handicap but might be a lung or heart condition. I do not think a physician would complete the application for a depressed person.

[redwitch]

Why do you assume they "don't understand..." what the consequences are? Do you think the able bodied people fraudulently obtaining Handicapped Parking stickers don't understand about the actual handicapped peoples plight? A while back I read about a guy suing for a Handicapped Sticker on the grounds that he was suffering from a handicap; it was depression. Yeah... that really merits a shorter walk to the grocery store.
Everyone is just be too afraid to crack down on this abuse. Someone might say they're "against the handicapped" and "cruel and heartless"... Then everyone jumps on the "see how much I care" bandwagon and nothing gets done.

I don't assume anything but I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Yes, there are some who truly don't care if they harm others but I think the vast majority do care. Those who insist on special rights to which they have no entitlement are selfish and egotistical. Their comfort comes before all others. But that doesn't mean they have a clue to the harm done to a person in need of the special services. More than once I've accosted someone parking in a handicapped spot replying they "will only be a few minutes". They don't consider that someone who truly needs that spot might come along in those few minutes. They see no harm in their actions. The same goes for people who think their dog needs to be with them at all times. They know what they are doing is wrong but I doubt they truly understand the issues it causes for those who truly need an ES animal. Regardless, their wants take precedence over the comfort of anyone else. Their actions are wrong and reprehensible.

[sunnyatlast]

Every time I go out here, I see more dogs on leashes in stores and restaurants, with no vests/collars that indicate service dog. The one that sticks in my mind right now was at a cashier counter line or counter front (like Bob Evans' cashier counter or Walgreens but it wasn't there), and the fairly large dog was freely sniffing in all the candy bar trays and other packaged snacks there.

The owner was doing the usual, purposeful looking away and across the room, pretending to not know the dog might be slobbering on or grabbing with his mouth a package of snacks.

Plus, he would not have seen if the dog started bothering another customer behind him who was waiting to pay. I'm seeing this more every month, in places where it's not appropriate for animals (unless they're a valid service dog).

The arrogance of such dog owners is disturbing, and it's getting to be more commonplace. They don't seem to care in the least if the dog leaves drool or snot on snack packages that another customer is going to pick up to buy. This disrespect for business owners and other customers is part of the whole trend of disrespect going on in this society and it stinks.

[Sandtrap328]

The arrogance of such dog owners is disturbing, and it's getting to be more commonplace. They don't seem to care in the least if the dog leaves drool or snot on snack packages that another customer is going to pick up to buy. This disrespect for business owners and other customers is part of the whole trend of disrespect going on in this society and it stinks.

Sunny, I agree with you completely. However, haven't we all seen the exact same thing with toddlers at the candy/snack packages by the cash registers? Do you want to pick up those candies after it has been handled or mouthed by a child whose mother is self absorbed in the tabloids?

[graciegirl]

I love dogs and kids. Not so much liars and schemers and people out to con anybody.

[sunnyatlast]

Sunny, I agree with you completely. However, haven't we all seen the exact same thing with toddlers at the candy/snack packages by the cash registers? Do you want to pick up those candies after it has been handled or mouthed by a child whose mother is self absorbed in the tabloids?

Of course not. But babies and other unattended kids and parents who do nothing to correct them are there legally according to health and other laws/codes. And humans come before animals, regardless of what the selfish pet owners think.

As with the unruly or unattended pet, it's the parents, not the toddler, who fostered such behavior.

[Barefoot]

Every time I go out here, I see more dogs on leashes in stores and restaurants, with no vests/collars that indicate service dog. The one that sticks in my mind right now was at a cashier counter line or counter front (like Bob Evans' cashier counter or Walgreens but it wasn't there), and the fairly large dog was freely sniffing in all the candy bar trays and other packaged snacks there.

The owner was doing the usual, purposeful looking away and across the room, pretending to not know the dog might be slobbering on or grabbing with his mouth a package of snacks.

Plus, he would not have seen if the dog started bothering another customer behind him who was waiting to pay. I'm seeing this more every month, in places where it's not appropriate for animals (unless they're a valid service dog).

The arrogance of such dog owners is disturbing, and it's getting to be more commonplace. They don't seem to care in the least if the dog leaves drool or snot on snack packages that another customer is going to pick up to buy. This disrespect for business owners and other customers is part of the whole trend of disrespect going on in this society and it stinks.

:22yikes: A dog in a store where he isn't allowed eating snacks while the owner ignores the behavior? Leaving snot and drool in the check-out line? We bought in The Villages in 2007 and I've never once seen the type of behavior you describe.

It must just be happening in the new areas --- Don't hurt me --- I'M KIDDING. :duck:

[Uptown Girl]

Quote from an article in The New Yorker- by Patricia Marx

"Contrary to what many business managers think, having an emotional-support card merely means that one’s pet is registered in a database of animals whose owners have paid anywhere from seventy to two hundred dollars to one of several organizations, none of which are recognized by the government. (You could register a Beanie Baby, as long as you send a check.) Even with a card, it is against the law and a violation of the city’s health code to take an animal into a restaurant. Nor does an emotional-support card entitle you to bring your pet into a hotel, store, taxi, train, or park.

No such restrictions apply to service dogs, which, like Secret Service agents and Betty White, are allowed to go anywhere. In contrast to an emotional-support animal (E.S.A.), a service dog is trained to perform specific tasks, such as pulling a wheelchair and responding to seizures. The I.R.S. classifies these dogs as a deductible medical expense, whereas an emotional-support animal is more like a blankie. An E.S.A. is defined by the government as an untrained companion of any species that provides solace to someone with a disability, such as anxiety or depression. The rights of anyone who has such an animal are laid out in two laws. The Fair Housing Act says that you and your E.S.A. can live in housing that prohibits pets. The Air Carrier Access Act entitles you to fly with your E.S.A. at no extra charge, although airlines typically require the animal to stay on your lap or under the seat—this rules out emotional-support rhinoceroses. Both acts stipulate that you must have a current, corroborating letter from a mental health professional."

I think I'm going to print this out and tuck it in my purse.

[Codysmom]

I agree with Barefoot. We have an 11 year old yellow lab who is the center of our universe, however, we would not even consider taking him to a square, Home Depot or much less a restaurant. It is not considerate to those who are not dog lovers who also reside here. The dog can survive for a few hours while the masters are away.

[weaverk65]

A few weeks ago a friend of mine was visiting us in The Villages, and she brought her German Shepard wearing a "service dog" vest. I know she is in the process of getting him certified as a therapy dog, but as far as I knew, he really wasn't a service dog.

We went to Toojays at Spanish Springs and the Hostess asked for some sort of ID for the dog and when my friend couldn't produce it (saying they didn't need to show anything), the Hostess got the Manager. The Manager very nicely ... insisted that they needed to see some sort of documentation in order to allow the dog into the restaurant.

My friend was very upset, and of course we weren't able to stay there for dinner, but I was glad Toojays asked for ID and then required it in order to bring the dog into the restaurant. I think more stores and restaurants need to do this in since so many people are buying service coats online and fraudulently using them.

For many years I have been involved with a guide dog organization, and I know how difficult these personal dogs trying to pass as service dogs is making it for legitimate working dogs. Hopefully we'll see some sort of legislation to protect the real working dogs in this country.

[dbussone]

A few weeks ago a friend of mine was visiting us in The Villages, and she brought her German Shepard wearing a "service dog" vest. I know she is in the process of getting him certified as a therapy dog, but as far as I knew, he really wasn't a service dog.

We went to Toojays at Spanish Springs and the Hostess asked for some sort of ID for the dog and when my friend couldn't produce it (saying they didn't need to show anything), the Hostess got the Manager. The Manager very nicely ... insisted that they needed to see some sort of documentation in order to allow the dog into the restaurant.

My friend was very upset, and of course we weren't able to stay there for dinner, but I was glad Toojays asked for ID and then required it in order to bring the dog into the restaurant. I think more stores and restaurants need to do this in since so many people are buying service coats online and fraudulently using them.

For many years I have been involved with a guide dog organization, and I know how difficult these personal dogs trying to pass as service dogs is making it for legitimate working dogs. Hopefully we'll see some sort of legislation to protect the real working dogs in this country.

Given your background you probably know this,but the ID the manager asked for is the key to linking the dog to the owner. He was entirely correct to ask for it. Your friend must be terribly embarrassed, especially since she didn't know the ID is mandatory.

[Cisco Kid]

You all cry more than a puppy.

[Miles42]

It is the self centered American way of life.

[mtdjed]

After reading all comments, I did some research, and here is the link to the ADA document for service animals. From what I read, we the other patrons and the facility owner/personnel would have no choice but to allow the person and their animal in. Full disclosure, I love cats.

This was interesting reading.

Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals (http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm)

Well , I read the ADA bulletin and I see "Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA." So I do not have the same interpretation that a comfort dog must be admitted. A person playing this game is the same as somebody who cuts in line. Just plain rude.

[Bonny]

Too Jays or any other restaurant cannot ask to see documentation.
That could be a lawsuit.
Here is one of the paragraphs......

When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.

[dbussone]

Too Jays or any other restaurant cannot ask to see documentation.
That could be a lawsuit.
Here is one of the paragraphs......

When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.

Thanks, Bonny, for the correction. This must be relatively new because one of the original,purposes of the card was to use as proof that the dog and owner were legitimate as a pair. I've seen it requested in hotels, restaurants and other establishments over the years.

[TheVillageChicken]

I was watching a story on television on one of the nightly news shows about "Comfort Animals". The story was about one person who wished to travel on a plane and bring her dog with her. She didn't want her dog in the cargo hold, so she went on-line and found an organization, that, for a fee, gave her a certificate and a "Comfort Dog" harness so she could have her dog on the plane next to her. She didn't need to provide any documentation, medical or otherwise to prove that she needed a comfort animal. Only requirement was that her check for payment cleared.

Good thing it was a "Comfort Dog" and not a "Comfort Rhinoceros"

She got away with one. Travelling on planes with comfort animals is not part of the ADA, but rather the Air Carrier Access Act. Legally, the lady would need a letter from a mental health professional currently treating her for a mental illness listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association. Under this provision, the animal needn't be a dog. It could be a gecko if that is what the shrink says the passenger needs.

[joldnol]

way too many "comfort dogs" in TV. IMHO and I love dogs

[kcrazorbackfan]

Jeez, give it up. If the dogs aren't peeing, pooping, barking, whining or begging for food from others than their owner, LET. IT. GO.

I don't like CERTAIN people but I've learned to tolerate them.

[graciegirl]

There is a bigger percentage of the population of The Villages who are ballsy, pushy and in your face and will do what they want to do no matter how it inconveniences or aggravates others, far more then where I came from.

I HATE that about The Villages.

It is the first time I have run into this behavior on a regular basis.

I don't know whether it is age or how they were raised.

Thank goodness that because the place is so big we can choose not to hang out with them. Tons and buckets full of nice and kind and polite and caring folks.

[tomjbud]

There is a bigger percentage of the population of The Villages who are ballsy, pushy and in your face and will do what they want to do no matter how it inconveniences or aggravates others, far more then where I came from.

I HATE that about The Villages.

It is the first time I have run into this behavior on a regular basis.

I don't know whether it is age or how they were raised.

Thank goodness that because the place is so big we can choose not to hang out with them. Tons and buckets full of nice and kind and polite and caring folks.

I quite agree with you, Gracie - in the midwest we were taught not to be self-centered, but to be mindful of others. I don't see much of that attitude in the stores and restaurants here. Thank goodness we have found lots of wonderful friends to hang out with here in The Villages. You can have lots of fun without being obnoxious!

[2BNTV]

Maybe the dog is the only one to agree or approve of, it's owner. :D

[tomwed]

In the northeast we are taught to be self-centered and not mindful of others. That takes many years of practice and studying but as soon as we pass the test they ship us to Florida. That's why we make up 40% of the population and don't see it on a regular basis.

[tomjbud]

In the northeast we are taught to be self-centered and not mindful of others. That takes many years of practice and studying but as soon as we pass the test they ship us to Florida. That's why we make up 40% of the population and don't see it on a regular basis.

It's more about how you were brought up and not where you were brought up! Didn't mean to offend anybody.

[tomwed]

It's more about how you were brought up and not where you were brought up! Didn't mean to offend anybody.
I wasn't offended. I was just trying to be satirical.

Last week was all about not whining, being happy to be alive and how wonderful it is to live here.

[CFrance]

In the northeast we are taught to be self-centered and not mindful of others. That takes many years of practice and studying but as soon as we pass the test they ship us to Florida. That's why we make up 40% of the population and don't see it on a regular basis.
That's funny, and I appreciate the humor. But there is some bit of truth in there. Northeasters, especially because of the overcrowded conditions, tend to be more self-centered--and I do not mean "self-absorbed" at all. It's not all about them. It's all about their attempts to get around.

We lived in north Jersey for three years after being raised and living in Pittsburgh, one of the friendliest cities in the US (had to get that in). We noticed how difficult it is to accomplish daily-living chores in north Jersey, such as grocery shopping, driving from point A to point B on overcrowded highways, getting to the post office (you think the lines here are long???). Even to the point of there not being enough grocery carts at Pathmark for all the customers, and lines to check out snaking down the aisles. And don't even think about going to a shopping mall during Christmas and expect to find a place to park, much less checking out with less than an hour's wait.

After the first year, when we got involved in the schools and talked to people at our little neighborhood beach and bus stops, people got to know you and loosened up. What we had been seeing was the general public. Then we got to know the people around us. Great people.

Sorry if I'm off topic. Now back to The Nerve of Some People...

[tomwed]

What we had been seeing was the general public.

Isn't the general public the same people who live in other little NJ neighborhoods including mine?
"The Census Bureau has defined the Northeast region as comprising nine states: the New England states of Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont; and the Mid-Atlantic states of New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania." Besides, Pittsburg, PA is in a Northeast State." You really never left the region.

[buzzy]

I don't understand the big surprise at finding pushy, selfish, and entitled people around here. By the time people are retired, they may feel that they have made enough compromises in their life so now they are going to do things their way. They have followed all the rules until now, and from here-on it's time to have more fun. They have worked hard to retire in style, and they have no use for the people around them who have not. Maybe they are just more grumpy because of the aging process. Maybe they resent the injustices in society, and want to strike back in some way. We may not find many of these personalities where we came from, because of population diversity. But, a retirement community does have a high concentration of them.

[CFrance]

What we had been seeing was the general public.

Isn't the general public the same people who live in other little NJ neighborhoods including mine?
"The Census Bureau has defined the Northeast region as comprising nine states: the New England states of Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont; and the Mid-Atlantic states of New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania." Besides, Pittsburg, PA is in a Northeast State." You really never left the region.
In terms of crowding, we really did. Also, Western PA is more closely associated with the eastern part of the mid-west. Strangers did not walk down the street in Morristown or Lincoln Park and strike up a conversation for no good reason. (Isn't this a beautiful day, love your dog, etc.) I once commented on how cute a baby was in a stroller in pathmark, and the mom rushed off immediately as if I might kidnap it.

I came to appreciate the directness of the east coasters and even some of it became ingrained eventually--like know what you want before asking a question, esp. in small stores, be succinct, don't hold up lines.

[tomwed]

If I was stuck in a house, didn't have any friends to speak of, didn't have a ton of activities and clubs waiting for when I can't golf anymore, nothing to shovel in the winter, AC wherever I go in the summer, I would agree with you.

I got nothing to be cranky about down here. I'm not being a pollyanna either. If we found this place when my folks were alive, they would have moved here too.

[CFrance]

If I was stuck in a house, didn't have any friends to speak of, didn't have a ton of activities and clubs waiting for when I can't golf anymore, nothing to shovel in the winter, AC wherever I go in the summer, I would agree with you.

I got nothing to be cranky about down here. I'm not being a pollyanna either. If we found this place when my folks were alive, they would have moved here too.

To whom are you speaking? If you,re talking to me, I think you misinterpreted my comments. I love it down here.

[Abby10]

What we had been seeing was the general public.

Isn't the general public the same people who live in other little NJ neighborhoods including mine?
"The Census Bureau has defined the Northeast region as comprising nine states: the New England states of Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont; and the Mid-Atlantic states of New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania." Besides, Pittsburg, PA is in a Northeast State." You really never left the region.

Like CFrance, I was born and raised in the western part of PA and as a young adult I moved to southeastern PA. There really is a significant difference between the people of the 2 regions. I always said the dividing line between the Northeast and the Midwest is really somewhere in the middle of PA because of this. I'll never forget the first time my husband, who is from southeastern PA, went with me to my hometown to meet my family. We were walking down the street and random people passing by kept saying "hello". He asked me if I knew all of these people and when I responded no, he wondered why they were saying "hello" to us. I really didn't know how to explain it to him except to say that's just the way it is around here. To me that was just normal - not so to him. And that's when I first realized the difference between eastern PA and western PA. :smiley:

[Wing-nut2]

If you need a dog for emotional support, I hope the same person who issued the dogs ID as a "Comfort Dog", put her in the system so they cannot buy a firearm. If you need a dog to lean on you sure don't need a gun. If they have guns in the house, they should be turned in.

[Stitcher girl]

I love dogs and have never been without one by my side. But that does not give me the right to impose my love of the canines on other folks. Never take them to the square, for their safety really. Too crowded and just not a place for them to enjoy. As for restaurants.....only outside cafes that allow pooches.
She was pushing the envelope and got away with it....this time!

[tomwed]

To whom are you speaking? If you,re talking to me, I think you misinterpreted my comments. I love it down here.
No, I wasn't talking to anyone in particular..

[Chatbrat]

The dog owner is a scammer, nothing less, tell the manager if he doesn't do his job--the word will go out & he might lose his job--call the gendarmes & see what they say

[Wing-nut2]

We, at Delta Society, have been receiving an increase in inquiries from people with psychiatric concerns whose doctors have prescribed they keep a pet with them to calm anxiety or provide needed emotional support. They call when they are denied access to public places and don’t understand why this happens since they have a ‘Psychiatric or Comfort Service Animal’. Based upon how the law is currently written, the vast majority of these animals do not qualify as a service animal.

The Americans with Disabilities Act, 1990, (ADA), defines service animal as: “any animal individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability.” The ADA defines a disability as: “a mental or physical condition which substantially limits a major life activity such as caring for one’s self, performing manual tasks, walking, seeing, hearing, speaking, breathing, learning and working.”

PictureTo be considered a service animal, the animal must be trained to perform tasks directly related to the person’s disability. “Comforting” or “giving love”, although clinically proven to be beneficial for people, is not acknowledged as a trained “task” by the Department of Justice, which enforces the ADA.

Some examples of trained tasks performed by psychiatric service animals include:
* bringing medication to alleviate symptoms,
* bringing a beverage so their person can swallow medication,
* bringing a phone to their person in an emergency,
* answering the door bell, or
* calling 911 or summoning help in an emergency.

Hope this helps.

[RedChariot]

We, at Delta Society, have been receiving an increase in inquiries from people with psychiatric concerns whose doctors have prescribed they keep a pet with them to calm anxiety or provide needed emotional support. They call when they are denied access to public places and don’t understand why this happens since they have a ‘Psychiatric or Comfort Service Animal’. Based upon how the law is currently written, the vast majority of these animals do not qualify as a service animal.

The Americans with Disabilities Act, 1990, (ADA), defines service animal as: “any animal individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability.” The ADA defines a disability as: “a mental or physical condition which substantially limits a major life activity such as caring for one’s self, performing manual tasks, walking, seeing, hearing, speaking, breathing, learning and working.”

PictureTo be considered a service animal, the animal must be trained to perform tasks directly related to the person’s disability. “Comforting” or “giving love”, although clinically proven to be beneficial for people, is not acknowledged as a trained “task” by the Department of Justice, which enforces the ADA.

Some examples of trained tasks performed by psychiatric service animals include:
* bringing medication to alleviate symptoms,
* bringing a beverage so their person can swallow medication,
* bringing a phone to their person in an emergency,
* answering the door bell, or
* calling 911 or summoning help in an emergency.

Hope this helps.

So if I am understanding this correctly, these people coming into our restaurants with cutesy dogs in or out of the strollers, are a fraud??? And the managers of the restaurants lack the knowledge to interpret the law, thus are intimidated?

[Wing-nut2]

Sure looks that way. Restaurants, air planes and so on. They need a "SERVICE DOG".

[Bitsee]

I think its safe to assume that the person(s) issuing these on-line bogus certificates to dog owners are ingenious to say the least. Wow, what a scam ! It ranks right up there with people passing off the Golden Doodles as an actual dog breed ?! What person in their right mind would pay $ 1000.00 plus for an every day, ordinary M-U-T-T, as millions of beautiful, distinguished dogs die each year in shelters across the country...

[Wing-nut2]

I am not really a dog person. I'v had dogs (Irish Setters) and at this time of my life I just don't want the responsibility. But, I do agree with Bitsee, there are many good dogs in shelters.

[ronsroni]

Wow. I'm saddened that this small white dog with a vest on indicating that he was a Comfort Dog was really masquerading as a TRUE service dog.
Mother-of-Pearl! That means he is a fake!#*%
A sham! A get-over-artist!
But, WAIT!
How does ANYONE know with absolute certainty that he is truly not a service dog and not just opined to be a fake?
Typically, Toojay's is diligent where dog papers are concerned. Unfortunately, some people absolutely have fake papers.
These would be the liars. They are similar to the to the other; oft times lazy liars who have fake Handicapped Parking passe so they don't have to walk.
I just cannot say that a Comfort Dog is not a TRUE service dog.
I have a dear friend who brings Brutus EVERYWHERE she goes. She needs him. He is valid in his vest. Brutus knows he's legit. I KNOW he's legit. That's true.
Isn't it also true that, if you have never met him before, you absolutely do not know if he is a fake? You cannot possibly know. So, who knew?
iHmmmm. Innocent until proven Guilty.
As Barefoot so eloquently said, " A few inconsiderate people give the rest of us a bad name." Who knows??? Not I, and, I STILL don't know.
LOOK WHAT I FOUND**********

"The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) 2010 Regulations define a service animal as “any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. Other species of animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not service animals for the purposes of this definition." C.F.R. § 35.104 and § 36.104 (2010).

If they meet this definition, dogs are considered service animals under the ADA regardless of whether they have been licensed or certified by a state or local government."
IF THEY DON'T KNOW, NO ONE DOES.
NOW, WE ALL KNOW!!!

[jnieman]

I was in Walgreens at Colony the other day and a guy was carrying around a small dog getting lots of attention from others wanting to pet the dog. He would then tell them that his dad had puppies of all breeds to sell and how to get to his place of residence by handing out business cards. I thought of the guy advertising on here and wondered if it was him. He did not have a comfort dog vest or anything on it.

[RickeyD]

I was in Walgreens at Colony the other day and a guy was carrying around a small dog getting lots of attention from others wanting to pet the dog. He would then tell them that his dad had puppies of all breeds to sell and how to get to his place of residence by handing out business cards. I thought of the guy advertising on here and wondered if it was him. He did not have a comfort dog vest or anything on it.


More then nerve, dirtbag is more like it.

[red tail]

Go to the websites of the major airlines and you will see their policies on allowing Emotional Support Animals to travel with the passenger.

It is not like just showing up at the airport with your dog. The airline must know about it in advance.

Personally, I would rather sit next to a well-trained dog or cat on the plane than next to a crying child. And do not tell me I am alone on the preference!

Delta: Pet Policy - SeatGuru (http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Delta_Airlines/pets.php)

[karostay]

Less that honest people can and do register their dog as a service dog with no questions asked allowing them to access to lodging establishments without paying a pet fee or restaurants
Simply by sending a check or credit card and purchase vest and other service dog related items..It's dishonest and hurts honest people with a real need to travel with a service dog

Take Your Dog Anywhere - ServiceDogKits.com‎
» Service Dog Vest And ID Card Kits - Service Dog Vests And ID Cards[/url]

[dplars]

Toojay's lost my business then gained it back all in this forum. Good for them to have the fortitude to ask the right question and back up their decision. Like dogs, love women, lived with both all my life but gave up the dogs when moving to Fl. because of the limited space the animal would have to live happily.

[cquick]

Gracie, I am going to get me a cat, make a vest for it that says "Comfort Cat" and take it to a restaurant......lets see if they will allow that......or, even better, how about a hamster, or a white rat, or a gerbil.....or an iguana, one of those huge green ugly ones! I could go on.......

[hulahips]

I would have spoken to the manager and asked him to have her removed. I have a friend who can't bare to part with her dog and got paperwork drawn up to make him comfort dog also. Apparently it's easy today and no questions are asked. The person should dine home with her pet. Pets and smoking should not be allowed in restaurants or stores.

[red tail]

I would have spoken to the manager and asked him to have her removed. I have a friend who can't bare to part with her dog and got paperwork drawn up to make him comfort dog also. Apparently it's easy today and no questions are asked. The person should dine home with her pet. Pets and smoking should not be allowed in restaurants or stores.

you better not visit Germany and eat out because its accepted there and no one thinks anything about it.

[Sandtrap328]

I would have spoken to the manager and asked him to have her removed. I have a friend who can't bare to part with her dog and got paperwork drawn up to make him comfort dog also. Apparently it's easy today and no questions are asked. The person should dine home with her pet. Pets and smoking should not be allowed in restaurants or stores.

What has your friend said when you expressed your feelings about pets in restaurants?

Actually, a comfort pet or emotional support animal has no legal standing. Only Service Animals are allowed in eating establishments. Restaurants should have the ADA rules printed so a server or manager could show them to a customer who thinks their dog is allowed.

Go to the ADA website and read all about the service animals vs emotional support or comfort animals.

[hulahips]

I don't say anything to her as not to affect our friendship but I won't dine out with her because of this. I don't want to be around when people may get upset and an argument may ensue

[Floridagal]

I think I will get a vest or coat for my two cats. My husband can carry one and I can carry the other...I miss them, but would never think of taking them to a restaurant or any store for that matter. Some people will push the button until they can't get away with it.

[Cedwards38]

Hmmmm, how long can it be before we have comfort snakes, comfort pigs, and comfort ponies coming to restaurants too? Ridiculous? Maybe. Maybe not.

[dbussone]

Hmmmm, how long can it be before we have comfort snakes, comfort pigs, and comfort ponies coming to restaurants too? Ridiculous? Maybe. Maybe not.


Pigs and miniature horses are already here. One airline is already being sued by a woman who was taken off a plane because she tried to bring a pig onboard.

[Sandtrap328]

Sadly, she can get away with it. All she has to do is claim the dog is an emotional support dog. Of course, the restaurant can legally ask for proof, but who's going to risk that mess?

ES dogs are trained. They are especially helpful for people suffering from PTSD. Those dogs (and other animals) are recognized by the ADA when the individual has a note from a doctor, therapist or psychiatrist stating there is a need for the animal.

On the plus side, at least she wasn't carrying a pig.

Please go to the ADA website. Read the information regarding Service Animals and Emotional/Comfort Animals. The Emotional Support Animals are not covered under ADA and are not to be brought into restaurants. Nothing to do with having a note from a professional stating there is a need for them. NOT COVERED BY ADA.

[Northwoods]

There is a sign on the patio at City Fire in Sumter that says something like "no smoking and no pets on the patio." One night at dinner, there were two women sitting directly below that sign. There was a small dog with them and one of the women was having a cigarette. The waiter did say something to them about the dog... they told him it was a service dog. Just goes to show you -- some people are so self-centered they could care less about everyone around them.

[RickeyD]

There is a sign on the patio at City Fire in Sumter that says something like "no smoking and no pets on the patio." One night at dinner, there were two women sitting directly below that sign. There was a small dog with them and one of the women was having a cigarette. The waiter did say something to them about the dog... they told him it was a service dog. Just goes to show you -- some people are so self-centered they could care less about everyone around them.


Service dog my ass. If I was eating next to them I would have told the manager I'm walking out without paying because of my "asthma". How dare they aggravate my "asthma" Next stop, my attorney. "I'm suing" Service dog, my ass...

[yabbadu]

Looks like I am taking Too Jays off my dining list!

[yabbadu]

Service dog my ass. If I was eating next to them I would have told the manager I'm walking out without paying because of my "asthma". How dare they aggravate my "asthma" Next stop, my attorney. "I'm suing" Service dog, my ass...

I am with you!

[RedChariot]

Service dog my ass. If I was eating next to them I would have told the manager I'm walking out without paying because of my "asthma". How dare they aggravate my "asthma" Next stop, my attorney. "I'm suing" Service dog, my ass...

I'm with you on this, but no one challenges anyone. We all have to be politically correct today. Most of these service dogs are probably a fraud. The managers don't know the law well enough to challenge a customer. I believe the owners of the restaurants need to spell it out clearly to the staff what is legal and what is not.

[bluedog103]

Too Jays or any other restaurant cannot ask to see documentation.
That could be a lawsuit.
Here is one of the paragraphs......

When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.
Bonny you are 100% correct. The ADA specifically states that the staff can only ask the two questions you stated. They can't ask for any documentation for the service animal. Folks may not agree with the ADA regulations for a variety of reasons but these regs are very specific and very clear.

[sunnyatlast]

Bonny you are 100% correct. The ADA specifically states that the staff can only ask the two questions you stated. They can't ask for any documentation for the service animal. Folks may not agree with the ADA regulations for a variety of reasons but these regs are very specific and very clear.

I don't think many would disagree with ADA and legitimate service animals being allowed. But the lame position the business owner is placed in by not being allowed to verify legitimacy of the "service" animal empowers the LIARS all the more.

[yabbadu]

you better not visit Germany and eat out because its accepted there and no one thinks anything about it.

Thanks...I will NOT visit Germany!

[CFrance]

Thanks...I will NOT visit Germany!
Don't go anywhere else in the EU, either. Oh my... the germs.

[dbussone]

Don't go anywhere else in the EU, either. Oh my... the germs.

If I visit Europe should I bring antibiotics? I always heard it was germy there. And France is supposedly filled with slovenly people who bathe less than twice per day? Oh, the horror!

[ronsroni]

Oh my achin' brain!!!! Now the dogs are SMOKING too???? Again, who is fair in making an absolute determination that this pad walker is sneaky enough to get the vest and be a trickster? Again, my pal, BRUTUS, has paperwork that is stamped by a local government agency, a laminated, numbered, single,dual-purpose triplicate card indicating that he can get inside of ANYWHERE and get a-half of a double decaffeinated half-caf with a twist of lemon in his dish; at the table. LET BRUTUS SWING.
Thank you for opening up and chatting. I still say that the initial suspect here has sworn documentation that she is human.
Some 2 years ago, Brutus came to Miami with us as I was sworn in at the British Consulate, hence securing my dual citizenship. The U.K. representative asked for Brutus to pose with her for a pic. Done and Done. I was wearing pink and a tiara. Fa-boo.
Let my creatures chill.
Nobody beheaded us. BTW.... I have a HC Parking Permit as I have had 7, now heading for #'s 8 & 9 spine fusions and lammies. I try not to use it but sometimes, YIKES. Bad pain.
I love animals. All animals. Smiling out loud!

[Patty55]

Went to Toojay's the other evening for dinner. Standing in line behind us was a group of 15 people, one of the women had a small white dog on a leash in the restaurant with a vest on and a patch saying "Comfort Dog." I am not a dog fancier and don't like them in restaurants, with the exception of TRUE service dogs. "Comfort Dogs" are not recognized as service dogs and as such are not allowed in restaurants. I would guess that the staff at Toojay's wouldn't say anything for fear of getting sued, even though the suit would be tossed out as being without merit. Now that I know, I'll say something the next time!!

How is the color of the dog and the gender of the owner relevant? Would it have been more acceptable to you if it been a man called "Bubba" and his brown mutt?

How totally UnPC are your comments.

[CFrance]

If I visit Europe should I bring antibiotics? I always heard it was germy there. And France is supposedly filled with slovenly people who bathe less than twice per day? Oh, the horror!
Tee-hee. They even shave their armpits now.:clap2::clap2: