Wildwood To Reject The Villages Expansion Plans

[janmcn]

Wildwood plans to reject The Villages plan to build close to 800 homes on the north side of CR466A, unless the plan is amended. Mayor Wolf said "the current plan fails to meet Wildwood land development regulation standards, including sidewalks and trees".

The mayor went on to say he would rather see a mixed use development built in that area. "The ball is now in their court" Wolf said.

This is according to a new article in the on-line news.

[joldnol]

I heard TV rejected it

[JoMar]

Sounds like a game of chicken....who will blink first?

[kstew43]

I heard TV rejected it

The article implies differently, as I read it anyway.

[Gerald]

Lol, there is no way they will not give in to the morse family.
Loss of all that tax base $ at the highest rate. Morse will just tell them no. They have left other land before when pushed like this.

[CFrance]

I hope they do abandon it. i'll miss all those moo cows.

[champion6]

The article left out that representatives from Wildwood, The Villages and Trailwinds will meet during the week of April 27. The Villages wants to continue the discussions with Wildwood in an effort to obtain approval of the development plan.

[bagboy]

Time will tell, but I think eventually the project will be approved and a quality and profitable addition (for Wildwood) will be built on this site by the Villages.

[GreggB]

I live in Tamarind Grove and am concerned about the golf cart access path from this new section into Tamarind Grove by the pool. That would appear to be the only golf cart access to the rest of The Villages? That's a lot more traffic thru Tamarind Grove and potentially additional people using the Tamarind Grove neighborhood pool. I would like to see golf cart access from this new section to the other side of 466A / Pinellas Plaza area. Hopefully there will be some revisions before it goes thru.

[ricthemic]

Wildwood plans to reject The Villages plan to build close to 800 homes on the north side of CR466A, unless the plan is amended. Mayor Wolf said "the current plan fails to meet Wildwood land development regulation standards, including sidewalks and trees".

The mayor went on to say he would rather see a mixed use development built in that area. "The ball is now in their court" Wolf said.

This is according to a new article in the on-line news.

The mayor actually said a line from a famous movie, Something about Mary..... his line too, " cough it up chompers"

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Good... we don't need 800 more homes. We need commercial businesses.

[D&Lsunfun]

In your backyard???
At least if the villages build we all know what will be built.
Multi housing means what,
(apartments, assisted living, mix houses)
Commercial businesses mean what,
(Target, CVS, fast food, banks, office buildings)
Wildwood is asking for sidewalks on 466A,
to go to what?
It isn't over yet.

[graciegirl]

The fat lady hasn't sung.

[CFrance]

The fat lady hasn't sung.
You got that right, GG!

[TrudyM]

So does anyone know is it a proposed over 55 additional so affecting amenities use or golf cart traffic through Tamarind Grove Run or family homes or apartments which would target those who work in the area and would have no affect on our amenities and add very little if any golf cart traffic.

[Doro22]

The mayor et al are worried that the voter data base will be a majority of villagers in the database. Aha! Not electing him. That's it...bottom line. Follow the money. The mayor & some council members will lose their jobs.

[NYGUY]

The fat lady hasn't sung.

Gracie knows what she is talking about..:agree:

[Phanatic Luvr]

I hope they do abandon it. i'll miss all those moo cows.

Me too. I think the same thing every time I pass by. Unfortunately, someday, most likely in the near future, something is going to replace the cows.

[twoplanekid]

Many in the US would root for the underdog and one whose focus isn’t always money. Growth can be seen as a necessary evil, what keeps things going for the better, or to be avoided. I can understand all sides and have no dog in this fight. Either way, The Villages will survive and Wildwood may continue to be a separate entity.

[Polar Bear]

Developments are rarely approved as-is on the first submittal.

[CFrance]

Me too. I think the same thing every time I pass by. Unfortunately, someday, most likely in the near future, something is going to replace the cows.
Sadly, I have to agree with you.

[Grandfinch]

Perhaps 800 more homes would cause our property values to depreciate; however, we would have more happy retirees. Let's not stand in the way of anyone enjoying this wonderful place. There are hundreds of small retirement communities throughout the United States that remain small where life is at a snails pace.
The Villages continuing growth is special and in my opinion, adds to the uniqueness of this ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD place. For me, I enjoy its size, its continuing growth and overall exciting lifestyle.

[mulligan]

The above mentioned village proposal was on the city commission agenda for 4/27. It has been removed from the agenda. They are negotiating. I believe it will happen. Much better for the abutting areas than the commercial/multi-use, multi-family project proposed and approved last year.

[rjn5656]

Just follow the money.

[graciegirl]

I would rather The Villages build there. SOMEBODY WILL.

[Greg Nelson]

Pretty hard to buck the buck! As long as taxes in Florida are a fraction of the NE they will come..

[dbussone]

Many in the US would root for the underdog and one whose focus isn’t always money. Growth can be seen as a necessary evil, what keeps things going for the better, or to be avoided. I can understand all sides and have no dog in this fight. Either way, The Villages will survive and Wildwood may continue to be a separate entity.


The mayor isn't thinking about money. You are quite correct. He is a politician- and politicians are all about power. He is afraid of losing his office because Wildwood citizens turned down voter districts in their last election.

[golf2140]

The mayor et al are worried that the voter data base will be a majority of villagers in the database. Aha! Not electing him. That's it...bottom line. Follow the money. The mayor & some council members will lose their jobs.

That is the major issue here, not The Villages

[graciegirl]

Wildwood plans to reject The Villages plan to build close to 800 homes on the north side of CR466A, unless the plan is amended. Mayor Wolf said "the current plan fails to meet Wildwood land development regulation standards, including sidewalks and trees".

The mayor went on to say he would rather see a mixed use development built in that area. "The ball is now in their court" Wolf said.

This is according to a new article in the on-line news.

The OP interpreted the story in the online news a little differently than I did. If fact my English teacher would have said my title was not accurate if I had used the OP's.

I say hide and watch.

[dbussone]

I guess some people drink too much kool-aid - we dont need trees or sidewalks just houses -

When I look out my front door and around TV I see a lot more than houses. Why would a new development be any different? And by the way, unless your neighborhood is very, very different the side streets have no sidewalks either. Are you a resident of TV?

[Cisco Kid]

I guess some people drink too much kool-aid - we dont need trees or sidewalks just houses -
You forgot to put greed in your post.

[TheVillageChicken]

Me too. I think the same thing every time I pass by. Unfortunately, someday, most likely in the near future, something is going to replace the cows.

Unless they are dairy cows, they are already being replaced....every 18-24 months.

[RickeyD]

Unless they are dairy cows, they are already being replaced....every 18-24 months.


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[getdul981]

Unless they are dairy cows, they are already being replaced....every 18-24 months.

But the aroma remains the same.

[dadspet]

As a village resident very close to that area I'm not at all sure we need another 800 homes in that area. I think a fair amount of people would prefer closer shopping then having to go all the way to 441. We don't need any more banks (not even sure that's possible there are so many right now ), drug stores or nail salons but we could use something like Costco (would be nice) along with a few other stores like a Phy Therapy, Walmart or Home Depot perhaps. Not real sure of the traffic implications but It clearly would help the traffic going north to get to shopping on 441, especially Norris at 466 into the villages which gets worst each year as the population south of 466a continues to grow. And hopefully the villages would make it commercial not random contractors or God help us Wildwood that cant even finish 466a after 1 1/2 years. BTW 466a might be open but it has a way to go to be finished - take a look its unbelievable!

[keithwand]

Wildwood International Airport is being built there instead. No more commute to OIA or Tampa.
Much better use than 800 more houses.

[graciegirl]

Wildwood International Airport is being built there instead. No more commute to OIA or Tampa.
Much better use than 800 more houses.

I heard that too and then, I read where NASA is wanting a place to train people to live on Mars and they were looking to have that center built close to the new Wildwood International Airport.

We are really going to be something, aren't we?

What would Harold Norris think if he was still kicking?

[TheVillageChicken]

I heard they were going to develop a campground there for the Rainbow Family, complete with porta potties, lots of clothes lines, drum circles, etc.

[justjim]

I would rather The Villages build there. SOMEBODY WILL.

Exactly, this property will be developed and the Village Developer will do a much better job than some "outside" Developer. The wildwood leaders were just posturing for more concessions from The Village Developer.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and they (Wildwood) would be crazy to not take it. Village residents will increase their tax base without increasing the numbers in their schools. It's a win win!

[Villageswimmer]

Exactly, this property will be developed and the Village Developer will do a much better job than some "outside" Developer. The wildwood leaders were just posturing for more concessions from The Village Developer.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and they (Wildwood) would be crazy to not take it. Village residents will increase their tax base without increasing the numbers in their schools. It's a win win!


really?...ya think??

[graciegirl]

really?...ya think??

People are now moving to Florida in droves. There is going to be something built there and lots of people will be there. I would rather have it be more of homes and people like us. The younger generation seems to get arrested more.

INCOMING...................

[graciegirl]

Exactly, this property will be developed and the Village Developer will do a much better job than some "outside" Developer. The wildwood leaders were just posturing for more concessions from The Village Developer.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and they (Wildwood) would be crazy to not take it. Village residents will increase their tax base without increasing the numbers in their schools. It's a win win!
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[2BNTV]

Exactly, this property will be developed and the Village Developer will do a much better job than some "outside" Developer. The wildwood leaders were just posturing for more concessions from The Village Developer.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and they (Wildwood) would be crazy to not take it. Village residents will increase their tax base without increasing the numbers in their schools. It's a win win!

Totally agree.

With 10,000 people retiring every day, homes need to be built. IMHO

[Shimpy]

Wildwood just wants to show they can't be bullied by the big money. I'm sure a compromise will be negotiated since they probably want it and are also probably being pressured by the businesses across the street to approve it. It would be a big asset for Winn Dixie and others there to add 800 homes or 1600 people.

[leftyf]

What does The Villages have against sidewalks and trees?

[leej63]

Why will the Villages not be required to meet the same standards that any other Developer would have to meet. Seems like a simple resolution to the stated differences?

[Cathy H]

What does The Villages have against sidewalks and trees?
thats simple; a street with a sidewalk must have a wider "right-of-way" that sets the home property lines further back; this means fewer lots per acre and less profit for land developers

[mtdjed]

It seems to me that Wildwood changed its boundaries. Seems I saw a sign north of 466A saying Wildwood that wasn't there 5 years ago. Anyone know anything about Wildwood boundaries?

[RLL39]

[B]Ah, another bureaucrat cry's Wolf. Is this the same town that I note often as recipients of several Village charities? Can someone explain why some individuals that are on small town HOA boards or city & town officials, like this mayor, all have to wield their gavel to assuage their ego's? We moved from Broward county because of this kind of misplaced progressive mischief.

This Wolf should be careful what he "wishes for."
:shrug:

[Bonanza]

What does The Villages have against sidewalks and trees?

Sidewalks and trees cost money. They require more space which means the lots would have to be larger because of the setbacks required for where a house can be built due to code setbacks.

[Bonanza]

[B]Ah, another bureaucrat cry's Wolf. Is this the same town that I note often as recipients of several Village charities? Can someone explain why some individuals that are on small town HOA boards or city & town officials, like this mayor, all have to wield their gavel to assuage their ego's? We moved from Broward county because of this kind of misplaced progressive mischief.

This Wolf should be careful what he "wishes for."
:shrug:

I lived in Broward County for many years. What is this "misplaced progressive mischief" of which you speak?

Whatever this so-called mischief is, it's hard to believe you had to move such a distance to find solace.
I find your post a little dramatic.
:blahblahblah:

[redwitch]

The politicians want to keep their jobs. The residents of Wildwood don't want TV to decide what's best for them. There reasons to reject the flow of money that would go into city coffers. Besides, they already have a nice flow of money coming in thanks to the homes south of 466A.

I don't think Wildwood has quite gotten over that are no sidewalks going to the county offices. It gave them a taste of what being part of the TV community means and the taste wasn't all that pleasant.

TV may be able to ultimately build there but I do think there will have to be some serious concessions and I wouldn't be at al surprised if that means golf cart access for Wildwood residents (think sidewalks to the county offices from the city center, ditto to the new development). The trees are pretty much a non- issue IMO.

[graciegirl]

The politicians want to keep their jobs. The residents of Wildwood don't want TV to decide what's best for them. There reasons to reject the flow of money that would go into city coffers. Besides, they already have a nice flow of money coming in thanks to the homes south of 466A.

I don't think Wildwood has quite gotten over that are no sidewalks going to the county offices. It gave them a taste of what being part of the TV community means and the taste wasn't all that pleasant.

TV may be able to ultimately build there but I do think there will have to be some serious concessions and I wouldn't be at al surprised if that means golf cart access for Wildwood residents (think sidewalks to the county offices from the city center, ditto to the new development). The trees are pretty much a non- issue IMO.


I disagree. The Villages went to great measures with the gate in the historic section NOT to let that happen.

Plus it is Wildwood's loss, not The Villages if they don't allow the new areas. Sidewalks, HA. We don't have them here and we do fine. They would quibble over sidewalks and give up all that tax money that wouldn't have to be used to build schools? Watch some fancy municipal buildings spring up and more people on the Wildwood payroll. It would be shooting themselves in the foot to disallow it.

Just wait and see Red. Wait and see.

[twoplanekid]

I disagree. The Villages went to great measures with the gate in the historic section NOT to let that happen.

Plus it is Wildwood's loss, not The Villages if they don't allow the new areas. Sidewalks, HA. We don't have them here and we do fine. They would quibble over sidewalks and give up all that tax money that wouldn't have to be used to build schools? Watch some fancy municipal buildings spring up and more people on the Wildwood payroll. It would be shooting themselves in the foot to disallow it.

Just wait and see Red. Wait and see.

And I disagree with these two thoughts. I use the sidewalks all of the time when walking the busy streets of Hillsborough Trail and Warnock Rd near my house. Thank goodness the developer put them in at these two locations. And to get tax monies for schools out of Village residents may be difficult not easy. If more Wildwood residents are Village people, their schools may not be better off.

[graciegirl]

And I disagree with these two thoughts. I use the sidewalks all of the time when walking the busy streets of Hillsborough Trail and Warnock Rd near my house. Thank goodness the developer put them in at these two locations. And to get tax monies for schools out of Village residents may be difficult not easy. If more Wildwood residents are Village people, their schools may not be better off.


They don't have to spend the money for new schools for people who don't have children like us Villagers.. They can spend the tax money for other stuff was my point.. If 800 homes were multi-age they would need a new school and a half. Been there.

I am glad you enjoy the sidewalks but I doubt it will kill the deal.

It will happen. Just wait.

Here's a bit of history as they were discussing Fruitland Park.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=talkofthevillages%2C+expanding+into+fruit land+park&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=talkofthevillages%2C+expanding+into+fruitland+p ark&sc=0-21&sp=-1&sk=&ghc=1&cvid=163ebaa893ea4b258d0a82a5fc27c371

[twoplanekid]

Knowing the demographics of a possible Village controlled Wildwood, would families with kids consider moving into the Wildwood school system? The developer might reconsider the sidewalk issue.

[graciegirl]

Knowing the demographics of a possible Village controlled Wildwood, would families with kids consider moving into the Wildwood school system? The developer might reconsider the sidewalk issue.

The Wildwood School system needs a lot of help and at this time is not the reason people move there.

I don't think a Village controlled Wildwood is of interest to anybody. Don't worry about the negotiating skill of the developer.

[twoplanekid]

Safety should not be negotiated. If sidewalks are needed for younger people who can't drive to access public places, then don't argue about sidewalks.

To attract skilled working class families, good schools are a necessity. Wildwood residents should consider who will control their destiny.

[JoMar]

There are sidewalks on Hillsborough and then get used minimally. I understand the need because there are two neighborhood pools and a rec center. The good news is the sidewalk is only on one side. In addition, the right of way has significantly reduced the Lanai to sidewalk issue. Fortunately they don't have sidewalks in the neighborhoods, gives it a better feel IMO.

[graciegirl]

Safety should not be negotiated. If sidewalks are needed for younger people who can't drive to access public places, then don't argue about sidewalks.

To attract skilled working class families, good schools are a necessity. Wildwood residents should consider who will control their destiny.

Yeah. But kids won't be walking through the area The Villages is negotiating about to build on. It is contiguous to the existing Villages. It will no more be a part of Wildwood than Mira Mesa is part of Lady Lake. Or Labelle is part of Fruitland Park.

[Grandfinch]

Safety should not be negotiated. If sidewalks are needed for younger people who can't drive to access public places, then don't argue about sidewalks.

To attract skilled working class families, good schools are a necessity. Wildwood residents should consider who will control their destiny.

It is quite evident that The Villages already dictates what does or does not happen in this part of Florida. I refer to issues decided by the counties and state officials. I personally would prefer the Develpers of The Villages be in full control to include eminent domain when referring to these little country towns that are absorbed into The Villages:shrug:. Trust me, Wildwood and Fruitland Park are benifiting greatly from the presence of 110,000 people with healthy retirements.

That's my story and, I am"....."..........

[xNYer]

They don't have to spend the money for new schools for people who don't have children like us Villagers.. They can spend the tax money for other stuff was my point.. If 800 homes were multi-age they would need a new school and a half. Been there.

I am glad you enjoy the sidewalks but I doubt it will kill the deal.

It will happen. Just wait.

Here's a bit of history as they were discussing Fruitland Park.
talkofthevillages, expanding into fruitland park - Bing (http://www.bing.com/search?q=talkofthevillages%2C+expanding+into+fruit land+park&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=talkofthevillages%2C+expanding+into+fruitland+p ark&sc=0-21&sp=-1&sk=&ghc=1&cvid=163ebaa893ea4b258d0a82a5fc27c371)

In Florida school districts are run by County boards. They are funded by county, not by town. There are no impact fees for senior communities, since there are no children attending the schools. The school taxes paid by Village residents go to Sumter county to disburse to the varying schools in the county and do not get sent directly only to Wildwood schools.

[graciegirl]

In Florida school districts are run by County boards. They are funded by county, not by town. There are no impact fees for senior communities, since there are no children attending the schools. The school taxes paid by Village residents go to Sumter county to disburse to the varying schools in the county and do not get sent directly only to Wildwood schools.

You are right. But the tax money benefits Wildwood as well.

[CFrance]

Safety should not be negotiated. If sidewalks are needed for younger people who can't drive to access public places, then don't argue about sidewalks.

To attract skilled working class families, good schools are a necessity. Wildwood residents should consider who will control their destiny.
Who would the younger people be, who can't drive and need a sidewalk on 466A? If it's a TV neighborhood it would be mostly older people, who if they can't drive would probably be in golf carts. I would think the greater need is for a tunnel under 466A into Pinellas Plaza. But they don't seem to want to put any more tunnels under 466A. (I could be wrong...)

A wider tax base for Wildwood coming from retirees would benefit Wildwood's schools without adding any students.

I'll still miss the moo cows.

[twoplanekid]

I was focusing on previous issues of sidewalks not constructed by The Villages around government buildings which were mentioned by Wildwood officials in their cause for distrust. A Village only development with sidewalks currently implemented by The Villages with no access to Wildwood residents is another issue. Sorry for my confusion on this point.

Is Wildwood a different nut to crack than the other communities surrounding The Villages?

[Chi-Town]

Drive down 301 through Wildwood. Take a couple of side trips on either side of it. Then ask yourself if this is a well managed community adhering to neighborhood codes and a strong business plan. The Villages is a fantastic opportunity for the town, and the funds that it provides should be used for an improved education system and redevelopment where needed. With oversight Wildwood has a good chance.

[Skybo]

TV may be able to ultimately build there but I do think there will have to be some serious concessions and I wouldn't be at al surprised if that means golf cart access for Wildwood residents

Red, I really don't believe that the developer would ever concede to golf cart access. They said that would be a "deal-breaker" when they were negotiating with Fruitland Park. I don't see how they could refuse access to one municipality and allow it for another. IMO, golf cart access from other communities would be a disaster, for many reasons.

[kstew43]

I lived in Broward County for many years. What is this "misplaced progressive mischief" of which you speak?

Whatever this so-called mischief is, it's hard to believe you had to move such a distance to find solace.
I find your post a little dramatic.
:blahblahblah:

I live in Broward County.....for the past 19 years, seems like the government is doing a good job to me. Charter schools built to assist overcrowding, new highway exits to assist congested areas, and 75 is going to be amazing when its finished. 595 pay express lanes up and going....lots of improvements as of late.
Also our water bill is $52 ....plus FPL is also very economical.

Its going to be very hard for us to leave........

[RLL39]

I lived in Broward County for many years. What is this "misplaced progressive mischief" of which you speak?

Whatever this so-called mischief is, it's hard to believe you had to move such a distance to find solace.
I find your post a little dramatic.
:blahblahblah:

MiamiDade, Broward and West Palm beach counties, are the 3 largest counties in Florida and they happen to be Democrat controlled counties. As with all large population centers, they demand and are dependant upon government services and generally are controlled by democratic legislatures. (see Detroit, Baltimore, Cincinatti, et al). To travel 250 miles to find "Solace," was a short trip and a breath of fresh air. Obviously, you already know that. We may disagree on our interpretation of "Mischief," and what "Is, Is," but I know we agree on personal responsibility.

[Grandfinch]

Red, I really don't believe that the developer would ever concede to golf cart access. They said that would be a "deal-breaker" when they were negotiating with Fruitland Park. I don't see how they could refuse access to one municipality and allow it for another. IMO, golf cart access from other communities would be a disaster, for many reasons.

I agree. Please no outside golf carts.

[outlaw]

I was focusing on previous issues of sidewalks not constructed by The Villages around government buildings which were mentioned by Wildwood officials in their cause for distrust. A Village only development with sidewalks currently implemented by The Villages with no access to Wildwood residents is another issue. Sorry for my confusion on this point.

Is Wildwood a different nut to crack than the other communities surrounding The Villages?

No different than a gated community development in a the city limits. Happens all the time around the country. The city residents would not have any access to those developments, much less sidewalks for their use.

[outlaw]

Bottom line is there is way too much building going on in The Villages. We need to draw a line somewhere....now that I got in. Jus' sayin'.

[JoMar]

bottom line is there is way too much building going on in the villages. We need to draw a line somewhere....now that i got in. Jus' sayin'.

lol

[Skybo]

I was focusing on previous issues of sidewalks not constructed by The Villages around government buildings which were mentioned by Wildwood officials in their cause for distrust. A Village only development with sidewalks currently implemented by The Villages with no access to Wildwood residents is another issue. Sorry for my confusion on this point.

Is Wildwood a different nut to crack than the other communities surrounding The Villages?

Twoplane, in my personal opinion, it's the voting issue that is of primary concern to the elected officials in Wildwood. I could be wrong, but I believe the sidewalk/tree/golf cart access issues are secondary to the voting bloc concerns, and they may even be just a good excuse for denying the development.

As has been mentioned by other people, Fruitland Park changed their voting procedures so that Villagers would not make up a majority of their voting base for the entire town. What makes Wildwood a "different nut to crack" is that they have already voted down that same type of change, so at least for the time being, that is not an option for them. Wildwood has a much higher population than Fruitland Park, and the number of TV homes in Wildwood will be smaller, so the influx of TV residents wouldn't have as much impact at the polls. But even so, an additional 1600+ residents is no small amount. So it is a major concern for them. And personally, I can understand their thinking. The issues important to retirees may not necessarily reflect the concerns of the entire Wildwood community.

[Skybo]

No different than a gated community development in a the city limits. Happens all the time around the country. The city residents would not have any access to those developments, much less sidewalks for their use.

Outlaw, I may be misunderstanding your post, forgive me if I am. But it is not the same thing at all. TV is not a gated community and the majority of roads are public. In other words, Wildwood residents would be able to walk around the community if they chose to do so, in fact they can do so now, just like any non resident from anywhere else.

[Shimpy]

. The good news is the sidewalk is only on one side. .

My neighborhood in Boynton Beach FL. had sidewalks on just one side of the street. My side had them and this reduced my driveway length so I couldn't park one car behind another without blocking the sidewalk which could get you a ticket. I could only park 2 cars and neighbors across the street 4.

[gomoho]

My neighborhood in Boynton Beach FL. had sidewalks on just one side of the street. My side had them and this reduced my driveway length so I couldn't park one car behind another without blocking the sidewalk which could get you a ticket. I could only park 2 cars and neighbors across the street 4.

And I bet you got all those damn dog walkers on your side as well!

[Shimpy]

And I bet you got all those damn dog walkers on your side as well!

Yes, you can believe that.

[Mleeja]

And I bet you got all those damn dog walkers on your side as well!

It surprised me it took 76 post to get this comment. :shrug:

[dotti105]

I am sure that The Villages has plan A, plan B, and plan C, drawn up and ready to go. There will be back and forth talks, stand offs and negotiations. But if Wildwood is concerned about it's future, they will come to some agreement with The Villages.

My bet is that this time next year the construction will have begun. "Bird in the hand worth two in the bush", etc.

In simple dollars and cents, it is their best interest. They will not get another developer that can assure the quality of construction or the tax base for Wildwood.

"It ain't over till the fat lady sings."

[tomwed]

I am sure that The Villages has plan A, plan B, and plan C, drawn up and ready to go. There will be back and forth talks, stand offs and negotiations. But if Wildwood is concerned about it's future, they will come to some agreement with The Villages.

My bet is that this time next year the construction will have begun. "Bird in the hand worth two in the bush", etc.

In simple dollars and cents, it is their best interest. They will not get another developer that can assure the quality of construction or the tax base for Wildwood.

"It ain't over till the fat lady sings."
That fat lady gets a lot of gigs in the villages.

[sunnyatlast]

That fat lady gets a lot of gigs in the villages.

And thousands of people including you have stayed to hear every performance!

She must be good!

:crap2:

[outlaw]

Outlaw, I may be misunderstanding your post, forgive me if I am. But it is not the same thing at all. TV is not a gated community and the majority of roads are public. In other words, Wildwood residents would be able to walk around the community if they chose to do so, in fact they can do so now, just like any non resident from anywhere else.

You're right. It isn't really the same thing. I was coming more from the idea that the non-residents would still have access to the villages; much more than a truly gated community. They would be able to walk all over the villages just like residents; in the neighborhood streets.

[graciegirl]

You're right. It isn't really the same thing. I was coming more from the idea that the non-residents would still have access to the villages; much more than a truly gated community. They would be able to walk all over the villages just like residents; in the neighborhood streets.

Please get a map. The new area that was proposed would have been contiguous. It would have abutted and been just an extension of The Villages in that area. The Villages build up to places with a fence behind residents homes where The Village areas stop. The Wildwooders would not just walk in.

I see you arrived last fall. It takes a long time to really conceptualize this place.

[Miles42]

See where the Villages just decided to drop the whole idea. They are not about to concede anything to the City money grabbers.

[Bonanza]

[B]Ah, another bureaucrat cry's Wolf. Is this the same town that I note often as recipients of several Village charities? Can someone explain why some individuals that are on small town HOA boards or city & town officials, like this mayor, all have to wield their gavel to assuage their ego's? We moved from Broward county because of this kind of misplaced progressive mischief.

This Wolf should be careful what he "wishes for."
:shrug:

I lived in Broward County for many years. What is this "misplaced progressive mischief" of which you speak?

Whatever this so-called mischief is, it's hard to believe you had to move such a distance to find solace.
I find your post a little dramatic.
:blahblahblah:

I live in Broward County.....for the past 19 years, seems like the government is doing a good job to me. Charter schools built to assist overcrowding, new highway exits to assist congested areas, and 75 is going to be amazing when its finished. 595 pay express lanes up and going....lots of improvements as of late.
Also our water bill is $52 ....plus FPL is also very economical.

Its going to be very hard for us to leave........

I agree with you 100%. There are many great things about Broward County and there are always new and good things happening.

[Grandfinch]

The developer should use their influence at the county and state level to have the section in question removed from wildwood city and returned back to county. Who in their right mind would stop this STATE improvement at the silly suggestion of small town mayor?

[outlaw]

Please get a map. The new area that was proposed would have been contiguous. It would have abutted and been just an extension of The Villages in that area. The Villages build up to places with a fence behind residents homes where The Village areas stop. The Wildwooders would not just walk in.

I see you arrived last fall. It takes a long time to really conceptualize this place.

I know how the villages blocks off easy access into the properties. However, most of the roads are public and allow anyone to drive in, park their car and walk and walk and walk; just not on sidewalks, since there aren't that many. One can also haul their bike in with their car, and bicycle on the MMP to their heart's content...although not legitimately. For instance, they could park in the Walmart parking lot at 466, and ride their bikes all over the villages, even accessing the MMP.

[CFrance]

The developer should use their influence at the county and state level to have the section in question removed from wildwood city and returned back to county. Who in their right mind would stop this STATE improvement at the silly suggestion of small town mayor?
Oh, yes, let's take something of somebody else's for our own monetary gain because they don't agree with us. This isn't China or Russia, thank God.

[outlaw]

I would rather The Villages build there. SOMEBODY WILL.

I would rather someone else build there. Many amenities are already getting overcrowded according to many villagers. I still chuckle when I drive by the pools and see 20 plus people queuing up for water volleyball more than 30 minutes before start time. How about the 30 plus golf carts in line waiting to tee off at any of the executive courses? I don't plan on spending my remaining time on this earth waiting in line. How about the many posts complaining about the lack of a sufficient number of neighborhood pools in the north part of the villages? Or the complaints of the congestion around the Colony area, the lack of grocery stores at 466A, and now the angst regarding the Fruitland expansion. I moved here knowing all those issues(much research), because I was interested in other activities and I stayed north of 466 where it "feels" less crowded. But I sympathize with those that are concerned with the continuing expansion without obvious infrastructure increases.
If someone else builds there, they won't be using the villages amenities...that's reason enough for me!

[outlaw]

The developer should use their influence at the county and state level to have the section in question removed from wildwood city and returned back to county. Who in their right mind would stop this STATE improvement at the silly suggestion of small town mayor?

Yes! And while we're at it, let's make it a hate crime to disagree with the developer...

[janmcn]

The developer should use their influence at the county and state level to have the section in question removed from wildwood city and returned back to county. Who in their right mind would stop this STATE improvement at the silly suggestion of small town mayor?


How is The Villages expansion into Wildwood a STATE improvement?

[graciegirl]

How is The Villages expansion into Wildwood a STATE improvement?


I dunno. The Village Expansion into anywhere is a National or Global improvement if you ask me. As opposed to some not very well run municipalities. Shall I name a few?

But that's me. Jan. I do so love The Villages.:):a040::coolsmiley:

[tomwed]

I would rather someone else build there. Many amenities are already getting overcrowded according to many villagers. I still chuckle when I drive by the pools and see 20 plus people queuing up for water volleyball more than 30 minutes before start time. How about the 30 plus golf carts in line waiting to tee off at any of the executive courses? I don't plan on spending my remaining time on this earth waiting in line. How about the many posts complaining about the lack of a sufficient number of neighborhood pools in the north part of the villages? Or the complaints of the congestion around the Colony area, the lack of grocery stores at 466A, and now the angst regarding the Fruitland expansion. I moved here knowing all those issues(much research), because I was interested in other activities and I stayed north of 466 where it "feels" less crowded. But I sympathize with those that are concerned with the continuing expansion without obvious infrastructure increases.
If someone else builds there, they won't be using the villages amenities...that's reason enough for me!
I always tee off on time on the exec courses. Don't let all the carts fool you.

[Mleeja]

I would rather someone else build there. Many amenities are already getting overcrowded according to many villagers. I still chuckle when I drive by the pools and see 20 plus people queuing up for water volleyball more than 30 minutes before start time. How about the 30 plus golf carts in line waiting to tee off at any of the executive courses? I don't plan on spending my remaining time on this earth waiting in line. How about the many posts complaining about the lack of a sufficient number of neighborhood pools in the north part of the villages? Or the complaints of the congestion around the Colony area, the lack of grocery stores at 466A, and now the angst regarding the Fruitland expansion. I moved here knowing all those issues(much research), because I was interested in other activities and I stayed north of 466 where it "feels" less crowded. But I sympathize with those that are concerned with the continuing expansion without obvious infrastructure increases.
If someone else builds there, they won't be using the villages amenities...that's reason enough for me!

I think Gracie's comments are if the area is developed by The Villages, we will know what we will be getting. If the land is developed by someone else, who knows. It could be an apartment complex or maybe single family housing, who knows. Either way, if the development is residential where do you think they are going to go for shopping, dining, doctors etc? The same places us Villagers go. There will continue to be the crowding at the Brownwood and the Colony Plaza.

I'd rather have The Villages develop the area... At least this way there can be plans included to help alleviate the overcrowding as part of the master plan.

[kstew43]

I know how the villages blocks off easy access into the properties. However, most of the roads are public and allow anyone to drive in, park their car and walk and walk and walk; just not on sidewalks, since there aren't that many. One can also haul their bike in with their car, and bicycle on the MMP to their heart's content...although not legitimately. For instance, they could park in the Walmart parking lot at 466, and ride their bikes all over the villages, even accessing the MMP.
...

[outlaw]

I think Gracie's comments are if the area is developed by The Villages, we will know what we will be getting. If the land is developed by someone else, who knows. It could be an apartment complex or maybe single family housing, who knows. Either way, if the development is residential where do you think they are going to go for shopping, dining, doctors etc? The same places us Villagers go. There will continue to be the crowding at the Brownwood and the Colony Plaza.

I'd rather have The Villages develop the area... At least this way there can be plans included to help alleviate the overcrowding as part of the master plan.

The other day at Laurel Manor, I overheard a lady say that she lives down in the Colony area, but comes up to Laurel Manor to workout frequently because the Colony Recreation center is so crowded, especially during the snowbird season. I don't think it's too crowded north of 466, but I hear quite a bit of complaining about south of 466A? being crowded. Maybe I'm wrong. Right now, the things I like to do and the schedule I keep seems to work out, so I'm happy. But I understand people concerned that the place is getting too crowded for the available amenities. Of course, I like the roundabouts, too.

[Polar Bear]

I would rather someone else build there. Many amenities are already getting overcrowded according to many villagers. I still chuckle when I drive by the pools and see 20 plus people queuing up for water volleyball more than 30 minutes before start time. How about the 30 plus golf carts in line waiting to tee off at any of the executive courses? ...the lack of a sufficient number of neighborhood pools in the north part of the villages...congestion around the Colony area, the lack of grocery stores at 466A, and now the angst regarding the Fruitland expansion..!

I'm sure glad I don't live in The Villages...oh wait...I do. Hmmm.

Perception sure can be different for different people.

[Polar Bear]

...How about the 30 plus golf carts in line waiting to tee off at any of the executive courses?...

Just one example of how looks can be deceiving...

You can almost always expect to tee off at or very near your tee time at executive courses. Are there people there chipping, putting, visiting, while they await their tee time? You bet. Perfectly normal...NOT a sign of anything lacking.

[Bogie Shooter]

I would rather someone else build there. Many amenities are already getting overcrowded according to many villagers. I still chuckle when I drive by the pools and see 20 plus people queuing up for water volleyball more than 30 minutes before start time. How about the 30 plus golf carts in line waiting to tee off at any of the executive courses? I don't plan on spending my remaining time on this earth waiting in line. How about the many posts complaining about the lack of a sufficient number of neighborhood pools in the north part of the villages? Or the complaints of the congestion around the Colony area, the lack of grocery stores at 466A, and now the angst regarding the Fruitland expansion. I moved here knowing all those issues(much research), because I was interested in other activities and I stayed north of 466 where it "feels" less crowded. But I sympathize with those that are concerned with the continuing expansion without obvious infrastructure increases.
If someone else builds there, they won't be using the villages amenities...that's reason enough for me!

I need more information to understand this statement? Or better still, do you understand how the tee time system works?

[TheVillageChicken]

Just one example of how looks can be deceiving...

You can almost always expect to tee off at or very near your tee time at executive courses. Are there people there chipping, putting, visiting, while they await their tee time? You bet. Perfectly normal...NOT a sign of anything lacking.

And many of those carts belong to folks who are cart pooling and are already on the course.

[Bogie Shooter]

The other day at Laurel Manor, I overheard a lady say that she lives down in the Colony area, but comes up to Laurel Manor to workout frequently because the Colony Recreation center is so crowded, especially during the snowbird season. I don't think it's too crowded north of 466, but I hear quite a bit of complaining about south of 466A? being crowded. Maybe I'm wrong. Right now, the things I like to do and the schedule I keep seems to work out, so I'm happy. But I understand people concerned that the place is getting too crowded for the available amenities. Of course, I like the roundabouts, too.

Isn't that one of the beauties of TV.............you can use any of the facilites, not just in your area?

[outlaw]

I'm sure glad I don't live in The Villages...oh wait...I do. Hmmm.

Perception sure can be different for different people.

LOL. I actually enjoy it here. I remember awhile ago one commenter in another thread saying he/she used to tell all his friends how great TV was. Then, after it started getting really crowded, he said he quit telling anyone about it...

It does seem some people take any slight criticism of TV too personally. Live and let live.

[Polar Bear]

LOL. I actually enjoy it here...
It does seem some people take any slight criticism of TV too personally. Live and let live.

Glad to hear it, outlaw!

And I didn't take your comments personally. I just don't perceive some things the same as you. That's all.

Live on! :)

[ricklowe]

Wildwood has and i'm sure will continue to work with the villages regarding the TV expansion in fact this was an issue during the planning stage of Oxford Oaks last year but as you can see it was resolved and it's currently under construction.

As for wildwood and development they've proved over and over their pro growth position. As we speak there are numerous developments within the city limits either in the planning stage or under construction.

A few examples are 440 homes on hwy 301 and 472 currently under construction and 301 and 468 there are 770 homes 660 apartments or villas and 200,000 sq. ft. retail space in the oxford crossings development stage . Wildwood will do fine without being held hostage to village demands but both will be better off compromising....

[NavyNJ]

Originally Posted by outlaw
"The other day at Laurel Manor, I overheard a lady say that she lives down in the Colony area, but comes up to Laurel Manor to workout frequently because the Colony Recreation center is so crowded, especially during the snowbird season...."


Isn't that one of the beauties of TV.............you can use any of the facilites, not just in your area?

Haha!! Bogie....I thought for sure you were going to say one of the beauties of TV was all the neat stuff you can "overhear" if you hang out in the right places!! :laugh:

[zonerboy]

I'm relatively new here (just about 4 years) and bought in the last Village constructed north of 466A. At first I was absolutely astounded at how the developer seemed to have an amazing grasp of the ideal ratio between number of homes built and number of amenities (rec centers, pools, golf courses, ball courts, and so forth). But as building has progressed south of 466A, I became less certain. Take golf, for example. The developer makes money on each round played on Championship corses. So how many such courses were built south of 466A? Three, wth a total of 91 holes. How many executive courses in that same area? Three, with a total of 27 holes. Actually 4 and 36 holes with the new Volusia course opening a month ago. So with 1000 new homes planned in the Fruitland Park area, how many more golf courses will there be over there? Or rec centers? Or pools? Or Town Squares? And how many such facilities foe the proposed 800 new homes in the undeveloped property opposite Pinellas shopping area and Palmetto executive course?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by outlaw
"The other day at Laurel Manor, I overheard a lady say that she lives down in the Colony area, but comes up to Laurel Manor to workout frequently because the Colony Recreation center is so crowded, especially during the snowbird season...."




Haha!! Bogie....I thought for sure you were going to say one of the beauties of TV was all the neat stuff you can "overhear" if you hang out in the right places!! :laugh:

That too!:laugh:

[justjim]

The new Regional Center under construction will have fitness I'm told. Jan-March are busy but after that I find it ok. I was surprised that Eisenhower didn't have fitness but I'm told that was because of the Private Club at Brownwood.

There was a push by residents that wanted an enclosed pool--what happen? We are getting off subject. Perhaps Wildwood will want to revisit their demands--but it appears that most TV residents could care less.

[sunnyatlast]

I'm relatively new here (just about 4 years) and bought in the last Village constructed north of 466A. At first I was absolutely astounded at how the developer seemed to have an amazing grasp of the ideal ratio between number of homes built and number of amenities (rec centers, pools, golf courses, ball courts, and so forth). But as building has progressed south of 466A, I became less certain. Take golf, for example. The developer makes money on each round played on Championship corses. So how many such courses were built south of 466A? Three, wth a total of 91 holes. How many executive courses in that same area? Three, with a total of 27 holes. Actually 4 and 36 holes with the new Volusia course opening a month ago. So with 1000 new homes planned in the Fruitland Park area, how many more golf courses will there be over there? Or rec centers? Or pools? Or Town Squares? And how many such facilities foe the proposed 800 new homes in the undeveloped property opposite Pinellas shopping area and Palmetto executive course?

When your village, the last built north of 466-A, was built, the plan by TV Sales Dept. was for final build-out to end by 2013. I know this because of a friend working there who described the ongoing plans for all sales reps to plan for going independent as MLS agents are, in the TV VLS resale homes realty group. So I think from that, if amenities seem thinner just south of 466-A, it might be because of planned final buildout shortly after that.

Then came thousands of people having fits because they'd not get a brand new home in TV, and then came Fruitland Park land perfect for expansion for them, and so it goes…..

[NYGUY]

....How many executive courses in that same area? Three, with a total of 27 holes. Actually 4 and 36 holes with the new Volusia course opening a month ago....

Actually you need to add in 3 more executives with 27 more holes in the process after Volusia...