Janet Tutt doesn't like us?

[twoplanekid]

Please read what Janet Tutt says as published on the TV District web site.

http://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/PDFMeeting.aspx?id=20150409000801

I hope she wasn’t referring to us! Maybe some, but not me, should clean up their act!

[JoMar]

Please read what Janet Tutt says as published on the TV District web site.

http://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/PDFMeeting.aspx?id=20150409000801

I hope she wasn’t referring to us! Maybe some, but not me, should clean up their act!

Isn't all the speculation more fun that facts....lol. Wait, the TOTV is mostly speculation....so I guess we are having fun :)

[redwitch]

She's put down blogs, forums and the like before. She really dislikes the news website which we cannot name. I think TOTV is pretty high on her dislike list as well. While we thrive on rumors, we do manage to get the facts out. It also makes her job harder when there are people willing to say what they think and not just bow down and kiss the Morses' feet.

[blueash]

She's put down blogs, forums and the like before. She really dislikes the news website which we cannot name. I think TOTV is pretty high on her dislike list as well. While we thrive on rumors, we do manage to get the facts out. It also makes her job harder when there are people willing to say what they think and not just bow down and kiss the Morses' feet.

Gracie, where are you?

[Bonny]

She's put down blogs, forums and the like before. She really dislikes the news website which we cannot name. I think TOTV is pretty high on her dislike list as well. While we thrive on rumors, we do manage to get the facts out. It also makes her job harder when there are people willing to say what they think and not just bow down and kiss the Morses' feet.
I hate to say, but this site & the other site doesn't always get the facts out. Sometimes it's the facts according to who. There are a lot of rumors and pot stirrers that I only assume would make a job much more difficult.
I certainly don't think she or anyone else expects us to bow down and kiss the Morses' feet.
Let's face it, a lot of what we all do is speculate and try to guess. Some take it light heartedly and others don't. I do think that sometimes we all just have to lighten up a little and enjoy our lives, our family, and friends and appreciate what we have.
I hope everyone has a wonderful night !

[Bogie Shooter]

Why is getting rid of rumors not a good thing?
I think she does a good job.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not every post has to have that last word..............of bashing the Developer.

[Bogie Shooter]

Quote:
Originally Posted by brovelli

Have been inside for the HS kids. It is a beautifully done theatre. I have tickets for the "State of the Villages message" and "Million Dollar Quartet" in May.

The lobby area, the old Church on the Square is still in tack, alter and all.. I would guess it wouldn't take much to actually have a "wedding there",, just rent some chairs,but don't know.

I have "heard" something awful that I think the developer should address.. (I don't have a single fact, so if someone know something, would love to hear..)
I heard that the Villages Orchestra will not be at the Sharon.. What a waste. The sound system was amazing and sitting in the seats would have made listening to wonderful music a joy. Maybe that is not true.. I can hope.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizdoc

It is true that the Philharmonic Orchestra will not be performing there for the 2015-16 season. The official reason was that they could not agree on dates which need to set far in advance for the visiting soloists.

The real reason is probably poor attendance. Other than Messiah, they had 25-50% of the seats empty this year. A sad fact of life for all orchestras is that their audiences are literally dying - the bulk of their season ticket holders (and patrons) are up in years. I doubt that they will be around very many more years.

And no, it isn't the seats or acoustics at Savannah Center. Plenty of other groups sell out including the various Villages Bands, Villages Symphony, and the Wisconsin Singers.

The success or failure of the Philharmonic is the responsibility of its board. Why does everyone want *The Developer* to shoulder responsibility for everything?
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Good example of rumor and then the facts.

[Matzy]

Of course, sometimes people have different meanings about blogs, posts and even this site. That makes the wonderful difference between all the people here in TV. Isn't it wonderful?
We can't agree or disagree all the times the same, and when I dislike something I just get over it.
As Abraham Lincoln once said: "I don't like this man, I want to learn more about him to know him better".

[redwitch]

Actually, I do believe Ms. Tuttlwould like it if there was never a negative word about the Morses. It would make her job that much easier.

Yes, we do have a lot of misstatements and rumors here, but most are quickly dispelled, corrected or substantiated quite quickly. I think TOTV and íts users do a great job of getting the facts out.

Also, I apologize for the poor wording about kissing the feet. It was not quite the sentiment I was trying to convey and I'm sorry it came out so badly and harshly.

[graciegirl]

People are gonna think what they want to think. To hell with the truth.

[Indydealmaker]

Some members of TOTV persist with the tired old verbiage that Janet obfuscates the truth to protect the developer. That is just bull. Morse is a big boy. He can protect himself. Conspiracy theories like this belong back in the 60s in Haight Ashbury along with the overage flower children who subscribe to them.

[villagerjack]

She's put down blogs, forums and the like before. She really dislikes the news website which we cannot name. I think TOTV is pretty high on her dislike list as well. While we thrive on rumors, we do manage to get the facts out. It also makes her job harder when there are people willing to say what they think and not just bow down and kiss the Morses' feet.

Perhaps this is part of what she is referring to? Appreciating what the Morse Family have done in creating this wonderful place and expressing it is hardly " kissing the developers feet". A lot of damage can be done while some are " eventually getting The facts out" ". The title of this original post is also irresponsible. This woman has done a fabulous job over the years and my guess is that she does not dislike anyone. Let's be careful his we express ourselves.

[villagerjack]

Some members of TOTV persist with the tired old verbiage that Janet obfuscates the truth to protect the developer. That is just bull. Morse is a big boy. He can protect himself. Conspiracy theories like this belong back in the 60s in Haight Ashbury along with the overage flower children who subscribe to them.
Thank you for that Steven!

[villagerjack]

People are gonna think what they want to think. To hell with the truth.

Surprising at some that not only live here but make a living here making irresponsible and basically inaccurate statements about Janet Tutt. I might add "disgraceful" to those comments.

[rubicon]

I have written on these very pages that it is likely and wise, for The Villages Lake-Sumter, Inc. (TVLSI) , the District and other community leaders to read TOTV. And before I proceed let me add that perhaps Ms. Tutt was also addressing the POA?

TVLSI has tight control over this community and has proven that in the past. They operate quietly which is not bad but in itself but which predictably leads to speculation which in this case Ms. Tutt refers to as rumors and it can have bad consequences. The poor handling of the Wellness Center is one example, the IRS controversy is another. And this latter controversy according to the IRS filings cast the District in poor light and here I am not rendering judgment but only relying what the IRS claimed.

However I believe the over riding reason explaining all of this discussion boils down to the fact that many residents are not comfortable with our form of government and from that prospective we feel left out.

The annual survey reads like a consumer survey distributed by an Ocean Cruise Line. While I do appreciate such an opportunity it is not sufficiently substantive and relevant to what concerns I have about my investment in this community.

I believe Ms. Tutt is doing her best considering her limited authority and there is the rub. Because we have to rely on Ms. Tutt and her staff to speak on our behalf but without any real authority other than collecting taxes and improving amenities, what can she really do? In short residents need the opportunity for one vote per resident and that is something that is missing and one in which we as Americans have come to value in our democracy.

I wish Ms. Tutt every success because our lives are affected by it.

[twoplanekid]

Perhaps this is part of what she is referring to? Appreciating what the Morse Family have done in creating this wonderful place and expressing it is hardly " kissing the developers feet". A lot of damage can be done while some are " eventually getting The facts out" ". The title of this original post is also irresponsible. This woman has done a fabulous job over the years and my guess is that she does not dislike anyone. Let's be careful his we express ourselves.

As I directed people to the gov web site to read her comments in her own words, I believe that she would be delighted that I would do so. She wanted people to read things from the source. Apparently, the subject of misinformation is a sore point with her. The title of this original post is irresponsible? The “us” I was referring to was this forum in general as she mentioned web groups. Just trying to get people to read her article, think about misinformation and then make up their own minds to change their behavior or not.

[outlaw]

"Misinformation, speculation, rumors are born out of secrecy."

[vette]

I really hate to paint any person or group with a wide brush. Are there people that Ms. Tutt dislikes. Absolutely, but all of us have people we dislike. In her comments I read that she is concerned/dislikes behaviors of people not necessarily individual people themselves and most definitely not all of us in general. And yes while rumors will always abound in our community I agree we all owe it to ourselves to rebuke false rumors whenever we can. It is also important to note that rumors, especially false ones often generate actual dollars costs. At a recent Welcome Wednesday meeting I attend, Ms. Tutt explained an investigation into a rumor about a very long emergency medical response time. She was pleased to report that after concluding the investigation all parties agreed the rumor was false. However what Ms. Tutt did not complain about or discuss was the actual man-hour cost to all of us to have her staff, Sumter County Sheriffs Dept., Villages Public Safety, Community Watch and other personnel review the call transcripts and dispatch logs to disprove this particular rumor. Bottom line, in my opinion, we will never be able to eliminate gossip and often general gossip can be good. But when general gossip takes on a set of alleged facts it becomes a rumor. At which point all of us owe it to ourselves and our community, to verify the alleged facts before we repeat and spread rumors.

[Xavier]

Actually, I do believe Ms. Tuttlwould like it if there was never a negative word about the Morses. It would make her job that much easier.

Yes, we do have a lot of misstatements and rumors here, but most are quickly dispelled, corrected or substantiated quite quickly. I think TOTV and íts users do a great job of getting the facts out.

Also, I apologize for the poor wording about kissing the feet. It was not quite the sentiment I was trying to convey and I'm sorry it came out so badly and harshly.

I generally find your posts to be accurate and informative. However, as in the past, you are usually quite negative regarding the Morse family. Perhaps you would like to share how they have hurt you so much that you often can't find even a neutral word to share about them.

Xavier

[janmcn]

As I directed people to the gov web site to read her comments in her own words, I believe that she would be delighted that I would do so. She wanted people to read things from the source. Apparently, the subject of misinformation is a sore point with her. The title of this original post is irresponsible? The “us” I was referring to was this forum in general as she mentioned web groups. Just trying to get people to read her article, think about misinformation and then make up their own minds to change their behavior or not.


Ms Tutt had better like "us" as "we" are the ones that pay her salary, and if "we" don't like the way she is doing her job, we should fire her just like any other public servant.

[graciegirl]

Ms Tutt had better like "us" as "we" are the ones that pay her salary, and if "we" don't like the way she is doing her job, we should fire her just like any other public servant.


I really like and respect Janet Tutt.

Janet Tutt appears to be as concerned as we all should be about rampant misinformation and deliberate rumors that are damaging the reputation of the entire community. It hurts all of us.

Some people are always disliking anything to do with the developer. I wonder why?

[JoMar]

Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer, nor is she an elected official. I find it interesting that there is nobody on here that has had the responsibility to oversee a 100,000+ residential community yet still knows how the job should be done. I also find it interesting that those that post complaints don't understand the organizational structure of this place yet have all the solutions. I also wonder, since we have all the posters on here that have all the solutions, how many have, or will run to sit on a CDD so they can have a real impact. How many even go to the board meetings.

[Ceafolks]

Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer, nor is she an elected official. I find it interesting that there is nobody on here that has had the responsibility to oversee a 100,000+ residential community yet still knows how the job should be done. I also find it interesting that those that post complaints don't understand the organizational structure of this place yet have all the solutions. I also wonder, since we have all the posters on here that have all the solutions, how many have, or will run to sit on a CDD so they can have a real impact. How many even go to the board meetings.

JoMar...You win the post of the day, week, month and maybe the year.
Thank you...:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[Madelaine Amee]

Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer, nor is she an elected official. I find it interesting that there is nobody on here that has had the responsibility to oversee a 100,000+ residential community yet still knows how the job should be done. I also find it interesting that those that post complaints don't understand the organizational structure of this place yet have all the solutions. I also wonder, since we have all the posters on here that have all the solutions, how many have, or will run to sit on a CDD so they can have a real impact. How many even go to the board meetings.

You are one smart lady .............. :BigApplause:

[TVMayor]

Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer, nor is she an elected official. I find it interesting that there is nobody on here that has had the responsibility to oversee a 100,000+ residential community yet still knows how the job should be done. I also find it interesting that those that post complaints don't understand the organizational structure of this place yet have all the solutions. I also wonder, since we have all the posters on here that have all the solutions, how many have, or will run to sit on a CDD so they can have a real impact. How many even go to the board meetings.
And, you get a cookie.
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[graciegirl]

Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer, nor is she an elected official. I find it interesting that there is nobody on here that has had the responsibility to oversee a 100,000+ residential community yet still knows how the job should be done. I also find it interesting that those that post complaints don't understand the organizational structure of this place yet have all the solutions. I also wonder, since we have all the posters on here that have all the solutions, how many have, or will run to sit on a CDD so they can have a real impact. How many even go to the board meetings.


You are a smart person, and a fair one, JoMar.

[rubicon]

Again we find people bent on defending what need not be defended. As I stated in my earlier post the pivotal issue here is our form of government or lack thereof. The Villages operates like a monarchy I let other decide if it is a benevolent one or not but you really don't have any say in substantive matters.

I don't care what stores locate here when compared to issues of policy that affect my quality of life and there are pressing issues that will never appear on any docket in this community

Again if Janet Tutt or TVLSI really want to reduce speculation and innuendo then be better communicators .

[TVMayor]

Again we find people bent on defending what need not be defended. As I stated in my earlier post the pivotal issue here is our form of government or lack thereof. The Villages operates like a monarchy I let other decide if it is a benevolent one or not but you really don't have any say in substantive matters.

I don't care what stores locate here when compared to issues of policy that affect my quality of life and there are pressing issues that will never appear on any docket in this community

Again if Janet Tutt or TVLSI really want to reduce speculation and innuendo then be better communicators .
I would bet she would be a better communicator if you attended one of her Wednesday meetings she has every week. Arrive early because sometimes 20 people out of 100,000+ villagers are packing the pace looking to communicate. It takes 2 to communicate.

[mickey100]

Again we find people bent on defending what need not be defended. …...
Again if Janet Tutt or TVLSI really want to reduce speculation and innuendo then be better communicators .

I agree. Another thread that has degenerated into a worship fest of "The Morses" along with the implication that anyone who doesn't support every single thing they do, or who suggests that there could be improvements made in our community, has some sort of agenda. Sigh. As far as communication, in addition to public meetings, we have newspapers, emails, internet, and so on. There is absolutely no reason information cannot be easily communicated.

[villagerjack]

Perhaps people who watch homes for a living should not throw stones at extremely successful women who run a huge and successful enterprise that is envied by almost everyone. Enjoy yourself this is a marvelous place to live run by some of the most talented people I know and I have met many. Spending time looking for flaws instead of looking for the good is not a good way to live.

[graciegirl]

I agree. Another thread that has degenerated into a worship fest of "The Morses" along with the implication that anyone who doesn't support every single thing they do, or who suggests that there could be improvements made in our community, has some sort of agenda. Sigh. As far as communication, in addition to public meetings, we have newspapers, emails, internet, and so on. There is absolutely no reason information cannot be easily communicated.

We need to defend it, because over and over and over and over the same posters who seem to relish negativity come on and say dumb things and that ultimately harms the reputation of the really wonderful place this is.

[Big O]

So because you don't like our form of government or you don't like the fact that people are happy here, Janet Tutt is a poor communicator? Give me a break

[redwitch]

Perhaps people who watch homes for a living should not throw stones at extremely successful women who run a huge and successful enterprise that is envied by almost everyone. Enjoy yourself this is a marvelous place to live run by some of the most talented people I know and I have met many. Spending time looking for flaws instead of looking for the good is not a good way to live.

Please show me where I have thrown a single stone at Ms. Tutt. The most negative thing I said was that I'm sure she would like everyone to agree with everything the Morses say and do (I phrased it badly and apologized for my phrasing). She'd be pretty dumb if she didn't since it would make her job that much easier.

As to the Morses, I'm basically in the middle. I truly admire what they have accomplished here. I don't begrudge them their money -- they took the risk, they had the foresight, they earned it. Do I like everything they do? No. Am I vocal about what I don't like? More or less. But I'm quicker to tell folks about how amazing TV is. My biggest vocal complaint is that I'm not conservative enough.

I do agree with those who said that the best way to squelch the rumors is to be forthcoming. Don't put up a wall in the middle of the night. Do listen when people complain (which they do most of the time, such as the traffic light at Colony).

Now, what does anything I have said have to do about my profession -- past or present?

[villagerjack]

I agree. Another thread that has degenerated into a worship fest of "The Morses" along with the implication that anyone who doesn't support every single thing they do, or who suggests that there could be improvements made in our community, has some sort of agenda. Sigh. As far as communication, in addition to public meetings, we have newspapers, emails, internet, and so on. There is absolutely no reason information cannot be easily communicated.

"Kissing feet" and "worship fest" are not accurate descriptions but innacurrate embellishments designed to to do what? The Morse Family and Janet Tutt want nothing but the best and they have proven it time after time rewarded by a sales of homes like no other place in the universe. They do not look for your praise or your worship. They hardly want you to kiss their feet. They are just everyday God fearing talented and generous people who happen to run one of the most successful developments of all time . If you don't like what they do, don't buy their product. Their business model reeks success, something those who criticize it have yet to demonstrate.

[rubicon]

I would bet she would be a better communicator if you attended one of her Wednesday meetings she has every week. Arrive early because sometimes 20 people out of 100,000+ villagers are packing the pace looking to communicate. It takes 2 to communicate.

Dear Mayor; You assume

Been there done that and have had more than one on one with Ms. Tutt and what I learned is she has limited authority. Again its not about Janet Tutt
I have also had all of the CDD orientations, etc

When it comes to talk of The Villages there is always a knee jerk reaction and the same posters jump in feeling a need to surround and protect the Developer , district. Its like dealing with people who default to political correctness its all meant to shut you down because there is no need from their point of view to have a rational discussion. Your wrong and the Developer sits at the right hand of God

[graciegirl]

Dear Mayor; You assume

Been there done that and have had more than one on one with Ms. Tutt and what I learned is she has limited authority. Again its not about Janet Tutt
I have also had all of the CDD orientations, etc

When it comes to talk of The Villages there is always a knee jerk reaction and the same posters jump in feeling a need to surround and protect the Developer , district. Its like dealing with people who default to political correctness its all meant to shut you down because there is no need from their point of view to have a rational discussion. Your wrong and the Developer sits at the right hand of God


I am surprised at your saying this Rubicon.

[Fanman]

I think if more people took the time to attend The Villages Resident Academy we would not be having this discussion. I did attend and Janet Tutt gave a wonderful two hour talk to kick it off explaining exactly how The Villages operates. One of the very first things she said was she and VCDD have absolutely nothing to do with the developer, they work for us. She's head of the department that maintains the infrastructure of The Villages and looking around I'd say they do a dam good job.
She thanked us all for attending the academy because once we understood exactly how everything worked we'd be less likely to spread rumors and innuendo. Yes that is a sore spot with her because her staff has to spend valuable time responding to them.
Do yourself a favor and sign up you won't regret it. BTW that smell from the water when you irrigate your lawn is not from the sewerage treatment plant. One of the many things you'll learn from attending the Academy.

[rubicon]

So because you don't like our form of government or you don't like the fact that people are happy here, Janet Tutt is a poor communicator? Give me a break

The Big O:

I didn't say I didn't like it. I said it prevents us from participating to those issues that have substantive solutions to policy and hence to meet an agenda that perpetuates and protects the financial investment we made here.

I would offer examples but there are posters here who can only abide "happy talk" and that happy talk"has been to our detriment because it is a form of political correctness meant to shut down any rational discussion.
And infer that if you have a concern well your just a Developer hater

Personal Best Regards:

I don't believe The Villages make people happy. I believe people make themselves happy

[JoMar]

The Big O:

I didn't say I didn't like it. I said it prevents us from participating to those issues that have substantive solutions to policy and hence to meet an agenda that perpetuates and protects the financial investment we made here.

I would offer examples but there are posters here who can only abide "happy talk" and that happy talk"has been to our detriment because it is a form of political correctness meant to shut down any rational discussion.
And infer that if you have a concern well your just a Developer hater

Personal Best Regards:

I don't believe The Villages make people happy. I believe people make themselves happy

And you didn't know that when you moved here?

[mickey100]

"Kissing feet" and "worship fest" are not accurate descriptions but innacurrate embellishments designed to to do what? The Morse Family and Janet Tutt want nothing but the best and they have proven it time after time rewarded by a sales of homes like no other place in the universe. They do not look for your praise or your worship. They hardly want you to kiss their feet. They are just everyday God fearing talented and generous people who happen to run one of the most successful developments of all time . If you don't like what they do, don't buy their product. Their business model reeks success, something those who criticize it have yet to demonstrate.

"No other place in the UNIVERSE"; most successful development of ALL TIME" = worship fest. No one argues that they are successful or not. Of course they are, and for a reason: in general, The Villages is a pretty nice place to live, and that is why we all remain residents. But as others have said, its not perfect, and as this thread discusses, communications could be better. With all the advances in technology, there is zero reason they can't start listening to the residents and communicate better.

[mickey100]

Please show me where I have thrown a single stone at Ms. Tutt. The most negative thing I said was that I'm sure she would like everyone to agree with everything the Morses say and do (I phrased it badly and apologized for my phrasing). She'd be pretty dumb if she didn't since it would make her job that much easier.

As to the Morses, I'm basically in the middle. I truly admire what they have accomplished here. I don't begrudge them their money -- they took the risk, they had the foresight, they earned it. Do I like everything they do? No. Am I vocal about what I don't like? More or less. But I'm quicker to tell folks about how amazing TV is. My biggest vocal complaint is that I'm not conservative enough.

I do agree with those who said that the best way to squelch the rumors is to be forthcoming. Don't put up a wall in the middle of the night. Do listen when people complain (which they do most of the time, such as the traffic light at Colony).

Now, what does anything I have said have to do about my profession -- past or present?

:BigApplause:

[graciegirl]

Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer, nor is she an elected official. I find it interesting that there is nobody on here that has had the responsibility to oversee a 100,000+ residential community yet still knows how the job should be done. I also find it interesting that those that post complaints don't understand the organizational structure of this place yet have all the solutions. I also wonder, since we have all the posters on here that have all the solutions, how many have, or will run to sit on a CDD so they can have a real impact. How many even go to the board meetings.


I needed to read this again.

[sunnyatlast]

"Misinformation, speculation, rumors are born out of secrecy…….."

…….but mostly out of ignorance and intolerance for those having a differing opinion.

[Bogie Shooter]

Actually, I do believe Ms. Tuttlwould like it if there was never a negative word about the Morses. It would make her job that much easier.

Yes, we do have a lot of misstatements and rumors here, but most are quickly dispelled, corrected or substantiated quite quickly. I think TOTV and íts users do a great job of getting the facts out.

Also, I apologize for the poor wording about kissing the feet. It was not quite the sentiment I was trying to convey and I'm sorry it came out so badly and harshly.

Why not use the edit function and fix it.......it was bad.

[Bogie Shooter]

Some members of TOTV persist with the tired old verbiage that Janet obfuscates the truth to protect the developer. That is just bull. Morse is a big boy. He can protect himself. Conspiracy theories like this belong back in the 60s in Haight Ashbury along with the overage flower children who subscribe to them.

Right on, Steve.

[Bogie Shooter]

Ms Tutt had better like "us" as "we" are the ones that pay her salary, and if "we" don't like the way she is doing her job, we should fire her just like any other public servant.

How would you propose we would go about firing her?
Better read up on our form of government.

[redwitch]

Why not use the edit function and fix it.......it was bad.

Cause it had already been copied a few times. Had I been aware of how awful it sounded, even to me, I would have changed it immediately. It was one of those things where I knew what I wanted to convey but couldn't come up with the right word so/idea. I wouldn't have apologized had I believed in the message I conveyed.

[sunnyatlast]

Again we find people bent on defending what need not be defended. As I stated in my earlier post the pivotal issue here is our form of government or lack thereof. The Villages operates like a monarchy I let other decide if it is a benevolent one or not but you really don't have any say in substantive matters.

I don't care what stores locate here when compared to issues of policy that affect my quality of life and there are pressing issues that will never appear on any docket in this community

Again if Janet Tutt or TVLSI really want to reduce speculation and innuendo then be better communicators .

Operates like a monarchy? I don't think so.

Monarchies are inherited by bloodlines. They are not entrepreneurs grown into large business enterprises that design, build, market and sell thousands of homes or other products per year. Monarchs are state figureheads--empty suits and gowns with bad teeth like Camilla--who perfect the art of doing nothing.

To compare the Morse family that just does not compute. They work and have been working since they were kids 35-40 years ago in Michigan.

Frankly, my admiration and respect for them is due to realizing what a slop outfit this would be if they were NOT here, and everything was opened up to nominated candidates running for office and promising the world but it's all just plain b.s.

We already have too much sausage making at the state and federal levels. We don't need more of it here!

[jblum315]

I don't remember what the original issue was here. All I know is from attending a few CDD meetings where Janet Tutt was in charge and she listened carefully to complaints and responded professionally. To think that she goes to all those meetings every month and manages to keep her cool is astounding. Managing day-to-day affairs for the developer is her job. She's well paid and she earns every penny of it.

[Bonanza]

Ms Tutt had better like "us" as "we" are the ones that pay her salary, and if "we" don't like the way she is doing her job, we should fire her just like any other public servant.

Unfortunately, Ms. Tutt's salary comes directly from us.
However, she doesn't report to us; she reports to and works for the developer.
Therefore, we couldn't fire her if we wanted to.
Quite an interesting conundrum, isn't it???

[Challenger]

I think Mrs Tutt does an outstanding job.

There, I said it and I am glad!!

[twoplanekid]

Everyone might read the new thread called "Who governs The Villages" to get to the bottom of many issues discussed here. Thanks

[outlaw]

My favorite koolaid is grape.

[TheVillageChicken]

I have only been here for a couple of years, and I don't know how many decisions/changes have been made by those in charge during my residency here. I do know that not a single one has affected my day-to-day life so far.

[graciegirl]

,,,

[graciegirl]

Everyone might read the new thread called "Who governs The Villages" to get to the bottom of many issues discussed here. Thanks

As new people we move here and try to fulfill our dreams. That is good.

I always hope that some folks dream is not civic management, because I like how things are run right now.

[rubicon]

Operates like a monarchy? I don't think so.

Monarchies are inherited by bloodlines. They are not entrepreneurs grown into large business enterprises that design, build, market and sell thousands of homes or other products per year. Monarchs are state figureheads--empty suits and gowns with bad teeth like Camilla--who perfect the art of doing nothing.

To compare the Morse family that just does not compute. They work and have been working since they were kids 35-40 years ago in Michigan.

Frankly, my admiration and respect for them is due to realizing what a slop outfit this would be if they were NOT here, and everything was opened up to nominated candidates running for office and promising the world but it's all just plain b.s.

We already have too much sausage making at the state and federal levels. We don't need more of it here!

Hi sunnyatlast:

I initially addressed your post with rebuttal as to the monarch issue but it is going to always return to a "he says she says scenario" and its again a distraction from the real issue I advanced, so I deleted it all. What is not subject to debate is our form of government which again I am not contesting and perhaps with some adjustment might well be comfortable with. However, it was stated that as this community developed, authority would be ceded to the community. It has yet to happen and one wonders since so much of this community has already been built, why those completed areas have no voting rights? To reinforce that issue ask yourself why TVLSI worked so hard to prevent the repeal of Sumter One? Who would better run The Villages is debatable, as is who really want to run it is another unknown but really all I desire is the opportunity to that debate. I don't mind being taken for granted but then I don't like being ignored.

So essentially you have the camp of people who like things just the way they are and the camp of people who wonder about the affect/effect change would make? And given TV growing pangs change is needed with some policies

I do agree with one poster that there is no relationship between the TVLSI and Janet Tutt..but that's the point of my concern. She has no substantial say in what really matters and I wanted to be able to go to her and say this is not right do we have a solution.....which I did only to be made aware that i such policy changes were out of her hands...That experience was an eye opener and in my view the concern I expressed would be consistent with maintaining quality of living. and let me be clear that I would have been accepting if the response was that is not a good idea because....

I do agree that The Villages is a nice place to live and again these are not personal knocks against TVLSI or Janet Tutt. In fact I have a very favorable opinion of Janet Tutt and understand her difficult position. I do appreciate what they have done and I am very grateful for living here. Buy why am I wrong for posing these concerns and why it it so many posters take this subject matter so personal?

I am sorry I ever responded to this thread because people just get too personal about this subject matter and hence defensive.

Personal Best Regards:

[Philip Winkler]

Unfortunately, Ms. Tutt's salary comes directly from us.
However, she doesn't report to us; she reports to and works for the developer.
Therefore, we couldn't fire her if we wanted to.
Quite an interesting conundrum, isn't it???

You need to visit www.distictgov.org.
Janet Tutt does not report to the Developer. The CDD's AAC, among other bodies are who she reports to. She is doing a great job in TV and the main point of her article was about these types of miscommunications.

[JoMar]

Hi sunnyatlast:

I initially addressed your post with rebuttal as to the monarch issue but it is going to always return to a "he says she says scenario" and its again a distraction from the real issue I advanced, so I deleted it all. What is not subject to debate is our form of government which again I am not contesting and perhaps with some adjustment might well be comfortable with. However, it was stated that as this community developed, authority would be ceded to the community. It has yet to happen and one wonders since so much of this community has already been built, why those completed areas have no voting rights? To reinforce that issue ask yourself why TVLSI worked so hard to prevent the repeal of Sumter One? Who would better run The Villages is debatable, as is who really want to run it is another unknown but really all I desire is the opportunity to that debate. I don't mind being taken for granted but then I don't like being ignored.

So essentially you have the camp of people who like things just the way they are and the camp of people who wonder about the affect/effect change would make? And given TV growing pangs change is needed with some policies

I do agree with one poster that there is no relationship between the TVLSI and Janet Tutt..but that's the point of my concern. She has no substantial say in what really matters and I wanted to be able to go to her and say this is not right do we have a solution.....which I did only to be made aware that i such policy changes were out of her hands...That experience was an eye opener and in my view the concern I expressed would be consistent with maintaining quality of living. and let me be clear that I would have been accepting if the response was that is not a good idea because....

I do agree that The Villages is a nice place to live and again these are not personal knocks against TVLSI or Janet Tutt. In fact I have a very favorable opinion of Janet Tutt and understand her difficult position. I do appreciate what they have done and I am very grateful for living here. Buy why am I wrong for posing these concerns and why it it so many posters take this subject matter so personal?

I am sorry I ever responded to this thread because people just get too personal about this subject matter and hence defensive.

Personal Best Regards:

I don't disagree with your position if this was in another community. My only issue is that this was the structure when you moved here, and it is similiar to a council form of government where I came from in PA. Since the VCCDD makes the policy (the council) have you gone to any of their meetings and expressed your concerns? You might get the same response that I often got when I went to council meetings in PA (thanks for your input and have a nice day) but at least you would be talking to those that establish policy and not Janet Tutt whose responsibility is implementing the policies through her organization. Just FYI, it took us 4 years to decide to move here and one of my investigations was the form of government......and while not perfect, it seems to make life easy. They seem much more resident focused then government structures I had in PA.

[Warren Kiefer]

You need to visit www.distictgov.org.
Janet Tutt does not report to the Developer. The CDD's AAC, among other bodies are who she reports to. She is doing a great job in TV and the main point of her article was about these types of miscommunications.

It is an easy task to find that in fact Janet Tutt is indirectly hired by the Developer. Spanish Springs for example; The Developer is the ONLY voting landowner in this VCCDD. Therefore this governing board is elected by the one and only landowner voter , The Developer. This board then hires Janet Tutt. Is it reasonable to assume the board, elected by the Developer would not do as the Developer wishes ???

[Warren Kiefer]

Ms Tutt had better like "us" as "we" are the ones that pay her salary, and if "we" don't like the way she is doing her job, we should fire her just like any other public servant.

We have absolutely no power what so ever to either fire or hire Janet Tutt. The District Boards have this responsibility and sadly every District Board is elected by a single voting land owner. That land owner is the Developer.

[Johnd]

I read Janet Tutt's comments in the article and think they are entirely defensible from her point of view. There are, in fact, enough meetings and other forums that try to get out the facts about what is happening in this community but they are only attended by people who actually care. She may be making her hard job even harder by over reacting to the ankle biters who will be a significant portion of the population of alternative or adversarial media.

But I think not. I've seen her in action and she's a smooth, articulate, professional person. I think she just took a mild shot at the flea merchants. She's entitled.

[dbussone]

I read Janet Tutt's comments in the article and think they are entirely defensible from her point of view. There are, in fact, enough meetings and other forums that try to get out the facts about what is happening in this community but they are only attended by people who actually care. She may be making her hard job even harder by over reacting to the ankle biters who will be a significant portion of the population of alternative or adversarial media.

But I think not. I've seen her in action and she's a smooth, articulate, professional person. I think she just took a mild shot at the flea merchants. She's entitled.

More meetings than necessary, in fact.

[JoMar]

We have absolutely no power what so ever to either fire or hire Janet Tutt. The District Boards have this responsibility and sadly every District Board is elected by a single voting land owner. That land owner is the Developer.

Don't think so

[Fanman]

Please, please , please attend The Villages Resident Academy and put all these rumors to rest. You'll meet Janet Tutt she gives a two hour opening talk explaining how the VCDD works. This place runs like a very well oiled machine of which she's in charge of. You will come away impressed and a new understanding of how this beautiful place we live in operates. Janet Tutt does not work for the developer, she makes that clear in her opening statement. She works for us and only us and we're lucky to have her. She runs a department of dedicated people who I'm sure if you polled them would say she does an awesome job.

[Warren Kiefer]

Don't think so

I know so !

[memason]

I guess I don't understand all the concern over who Janet works for or answers to. Seems to me, The Villages run pretty well, just the way it is.

Once [if ever] the residents take over, the end will certainly be near for life as we know it here.... Most of us moved away from some form of city government that was not the best... Not sure why we'd want similar here.

[Polar Bear]

I guess I don't understand all the concern over who Janet works for or answers to. Seems to me, The Villages run pretty well, just the way it is...

Pretty well sums up my feelings.

[JoMar]

I know so !

Sad but if it makes you feel better then go with it.

[Bonny]

I guess I don't understand all the concern over who Janet works for or answers to. Seems to me, The Villages run pretty well, just the way it is.

Once [if ever] the residents take over, the end will certainly be near for life as we know it here.... Most of us moved away from some form of city government that was not the best... Not sure why we'd want similar here.
:agree: !!!!! :bigbow:

[dbussone]

I guess I don't understand all the concern over who Janet works for or answers to. Seems to me, The Villages run pretty well, just the way it is.

Once [if ever] the residents take over, the end will certainly be near for life as we know it here.... Most of us moved away from some form of city government that was not the best... Not sure why we'd want similar here.

I'm hoping that TV continues expansion for the next few decades to avoid this atrocity (which shall remain nameless) from happening.

[DougB]

Who's Janet Tutt?

[DougB]

Once [if ever] the residents take over, the end will certainly be near for life as we know it here.... Most of us moved away from some form of city government that was not the best... Not sure why we'd want similar here.

Does that seem odd to you. They want the same pizza, the same restaurants, the same stores, the same you name it. Strange anyone moves here.

[NavyNJ]

We have absolutely no power what so ever to either fire or hire Janet Tutt. The District Boards have this responsibility and sadly every District Board is elected by a single voting land owner. That land owner is the Developer.

Is that true? The Boards of CDDs 1-10 are all selected by the Developer as the largest landowner?

[twoplanekid]

The three commercial Districts have five person boards that are all selected by the Developer as the Developer owns all of the land in these 3 CDDs. All of the residential CDDs (1-11) will eventually have a five person board elected by the residents of each district.

When the district is first established, the board is selected by the developer as there are no residents to vote in that district. Over a set time frame establish by the State of Florida for CDDs, all of the supervisors will be elected by the residents. Most of The Village residential CDDs already have all resident elected supervisors. Everyone must follow the rules as set by the State of Florida.

To see the agendas and minutes of the meeting for each District, go to the districtgov.org web site then your district.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/index.aspx)

[Mleeja]

The three commercial Districts have five person boards that are all selected by the Developer as the Developer owns all of the land in these 3 CDDs. All of the residential CDDs (1-11) will eventually have a five person board elected by the residents of each district.

When the district is first established, the board is selected by the developer as there are no residents to vote in that district. Over a set time frame establish by the State of Florida for CDDs, all of the supervisors will be elected by the residents. Most of The Village residential CDDs already have all resident elected supervisors. Everyone must follow the rules as set by the State of Florida.

To see the agendas and minutes of the meeting for each District, go to the districtgov.org web site then your district.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/index.aspx)

Do not districts 1-4 already have elected residents on the boards?

[Warren Kiefer]

Is that true? The Boards of CDDs 1-10 are all selected by the Developer as the largest landowner?

No not all the CDD's. The developer's control over the CDD's are phased out over a period of time and are eventually elected by the residents. . It is the VCDD's I speak of. These Districts indirectly control the entire government of the Villages. My particular VCDD District is located within the Spanish Springs Commercial District. There is also a Lake Sumter VCDD District composed of the Sumter Landing Commercial District. There is only one voting landowner in each of these districts, that being the Developer. Not a single Villages landowner (resident) lives in either of these districts. Therefore the District Boards are elected by the Developer who as I stated is the only landowner. Janet Tutt is hired by these Developer elected District Boards. It is an easy assumption that the Developer would have some influence over the Boards and Ms Tutt's decisions. Ms. Tutt is an important part of the CDD's. ARC and other government agencies regarding finances etc.