Who governs The Villages?

[twoplanekid]

I want just the facts as Joe Friday would say and as suggested by Ms. Tutt. So, who runs/controls The Villages? I know that The Villages is a wonderful place with great people. The developer started the community and continues to build new houses, recreation centers, golf courses and other amenities. The Developer also manages the commercial CDDs by appointing associates to the board of supervisors for these CDDs. All residential CDDs will eventually be governed by elected district supervisors. And then there are inter-local district agreements that must be followed that allow someone to control all? Are all CDDs created equal? Who is in charge and where does the buck stop?

It has become apparent to me in comments made by many in the thread “Janet Tutt doesn’t like us?” that there is a general lack of understanding of the organizational structure and who has the final say. Let’s use Janet Tutt as an example. Some say “Managing day-to-day affairs for the developer is her job” while others say “Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer”. I am confused. The Village leadership structure should be public knowledge.

Many people have suggested that the developer runs TV as a personal business as is suggested by the IRS in the Bond case. Our Village attorneys and others claim that The Villages are operated under CDD rules that allow elected and or appointed officials to govern with very little control by the developer. Please go to the districtgov web site to read the various descriptions of governance in IRS updates.

The operational structure chart for The Villages can be found on the districtgov web.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/staff/orgchart.aspx)

It’s as clear as mud to me after looking at this chart!

When talking to some Villages employees or in a welcome orientation, people tend to beat around the bush as to who is in ultimate control. They may not know.

I am trying to understand what form of governmental structure we do have in The Villages and who is in control. It looks like CDDs plus something else. Some might say don’t ask as everything is perfect. I say enquiring minds need to know to help stop the misinformation and rumors. If the developer doesn’t control The Villages then stop saying the developer does and vice versa.

Can anyone point to official documents that explain the governance of The Villages and who then controls the same?

[graciegirl]

I want just the facts as Joe Friday would say and as suggested by Ms. Tutt. So, who runs/controls The Villages? I know that The Villages is a wonderful place with great people. The developer started the community and continues to build new houses, recreation centers, golf courses and other amenities. The Developer also manages the commercial CDDs by appointing associates to the board of supervisors for these CDDs. All residential CDDs will eventually be governed by elected district supervisors. And then there are inter-local district agreements that must be followed that allow someone to control all? Are all CDDs created equal? Who is in charge and where does the buck stop?

It has become apparent to me in comments made by many in the thread “Janet Tutt doesn’t like us?” that there is a general lack of understanding of the organizational structure and who has the final say. Let’s use Janet Tutt as an example. Some say “Managing day-to-day affairs for the developer is her job” while others say “Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer”. I am confused. The Village leadership structure should be public knowledge.

Many people have suggested that the developer runs TV as a personal business as is suggested by the IRS in the Bond case. Our Village attorneys and others claim that The Villages are operated under CDD rules that allow elected and or appointed officials to govern with very little control by the developer. Please go to the districtgov web site to read the various descriptions of governance in IRS updates.

The operational structure chart for The Villages can be found on the districtgov web.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/staff/orgchart.aspx)

It’s as clear as mud to me after looking at this chart!

When talking to some Villages employees or in a welcome orientation, people tend to beat around the bush as to who is in ultimate control. They may not know.

I am trying to understand what form of governmental structure we do have in The Villages and who is in control. It looks like CDDs plus something else. Some might say don’t ask as everything is perfect. I say enquiring minds need to know to help stop the misinformation and rumors. If the developer doesn’t control The Villages then stop saying the developer does and vice versa.

Can anyone point to official documents that explain the governance of The Villages and who then controls the same?


It is a CDD. And it works better than most "usual" ways of doing things as anyone can see.

Please don't try to change it.

It is far bigger and more smoothly run than Urbana, Ohio.

My advice to you on your first post a couple of months ago where you wanted to start a movement for golf cart seat belts before you even owned a golf cart was wait and see. I have nothing against seat belts, but I do with unneeded rules and enforcing agencies.

I still say wait and see about how things are done here. It is amazingly run. I suspect that The Morse Family runs it. That is o.k. with me.

If it ain't broke. Please don't fix it.

[twoplanekid]

I am not asking or wanting to change a thing in The Villages! Where are the facts! Please don't give me personal views.

I am trying to stop rumors and misinformation from being spread.

[kstew43]

you do need to remember the most important thing.....the villages is a subdivision, not a city or even a town. It is a development.

It is run by the developer.

[pqrstar]

kstew43 says "you do need to remember the most important thing.....the villages is a subdivision, not a city or even a town. It is a development. It is run by the developer."

The OP just wants the FACTS and something to substantiate that, not opinion.
So where are your facts?


see below

I say enquiring minds need to know to help stop the misinformation and rumors. If the developer doesn’t control The Villages then stop saying the developer does and vice versa.

Can anyone point to official documents that explain the governance of The Villages and who then controls the same?

[pqrstar]

This is what I found at The Villages Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org) website.

"A Community Development District is a public non-profit unit of local government with the special purpose of providing the services described above. As a unit of local government, the District is subject to many of the same State Statutes that regulate cities and counties; of particular interest are those statutes related to ethics in government for the elected Board of Supervisors, Government in the Sunshine, a cornerstone of local government in the State of Florida which requires that decisions made by any governmental agency be done at a public meeting; the public records law, which means the records of the District are open for review by any citizen; the auditing requirements in which annually the accounting records of the District are audited by an independent certified public accountant and the results of such audit are provided to the State Controller and Auditor General; competitive bidding requirements for construction and maintenance contracts, and various other statutory provisions that protect the interest of the public."
VCDD Your Community District (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/index.aspx)

describing district 3, which is north of SR 466.

Now that you are generally familiar with the District concept, let's describe the election process and the Board of Supervisors who oversee the activities of the District. Initially, the Board of Supervisors, consisting of five, are elected based upon land ownership. The legislature, in creating Chapter 190, recognized that in order to maintain continuity of the facilities provided to the newly developing community, that the developer, who then owns the majority of the land should be granted the right to substantially complete the project as envisioned by the various land use and zoning approvals that were obtained as part of the development review process. However, the legislature also recognized that at the time prescribed by statute, control should begin a process of transition to the residents. Therefore, at the election in 2000, three Supervisors of the five were elected by landowner vote (one vote per lot owned and one vote per acre owned). The same process occurred in 2002. In 2004 one supervisor was elected by landowners and two supervisors were elected by "qualified electors" (registered voters) residing in CDD No. 3. From that point forward, all elections will be qualified based elections. This election conversion format ensures that the residents ultimately control the level of service provided to the infrastructure facilities that the District maintains."
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/front.aspx?district=3)

Similarly for District 1
The legislature also recognized that at the time prescribed by statute, control should begin a process of transition to the residents. Since 2000, all supervisors in District No. 1 have been elected by 'qualified electors' (registered voters) residing in the District. They are elected on a non-partisan basis on the general election ballot.
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/front.aspx?district=1)

and similarly for District 2
Since 2004, all five supervisors in District No. 2 have been elected by "qualified electors" (registered voters) residing in the District. They are elected on a non-partisan basis on the general election ballot.
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/front.aspx?district=2)

Ultimately district 4 and other residential districts will be resident controlled
" However, the legislature also recognized that at the time prescribed by statute, control should transition to the residents. Therefore, at the election held in 2006, one supervisor was elected by a landowner vote (one vote per lot owned and/or one vote per acre owned). In addition, two supervisors were elected by "qualified electors" (registered voters) residing in CDD No. 4. From this point forward, all elections in District 4 will be qualified based elections. This election conversion format ensures that the residents ultimately control the level of service provided to the infrastructure facilities that the District maintains."
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/front.aspx?district=4)

and similarly for all CDD's
" This election conversion format ensures that the residents ultimately control the level of service provided to the infrastructure facilities that the District maintains."
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/front.aspx?district=7)


Now for the commercial centers
Village Center CDD
"Maintenance of the infrastructure is provided through an annual assessment to property owners based upon square footage of properties benefited. The assessment programs are managed through the Village Center District Accounting Department, and may be collected on the Lake County tax bill, by agreement with the Lake County Tax Collector, utilizing the uniform method of assessment adopted by the Board of Supervisors.

Governance of the Village Center Community Development District is accomplished by a five member Board of Supervisors, elected biannually, as described in Chapter 190.006, Florida Statutes. Inasmuch as there are no residential properties contained within the boundaries of the Village Center Community Development District, members of the Board of Supervisors will continue to be elected by the landowners of property within the boundaries of the District."
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/front.aspx?district=vc)

Sumter Landing CDD

"Maintenance of the infrastructure is provided through an annual assessment to property owners, again based upon acreage benefited. The assessment programs are managed through the Sumter Landing District Accounting Department, and may be collected on the Sumter County tax bill, by agreement with the Sumter County Tax Collector, utilizing the uniform method of assessment adopted by the Board of Supervisors.

Governance of the Sumter Landing Community Development District is accomplished by a five member Board of Supervisors, elected biannually, as described in Chapter 190.006, Florida Statutes. Inasmuch as there are no residential properties contained within the boundaries of the Sumter Landing Community Development District, members of the Board of Supervisors will continue to be elected by the landowners of property within the boundaries of the District."
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/front.aspx?district=sl)

[Bonny]

:wine: :popcorn:

[drdodge]

I think you should rent for some time to get a feel for the villages and how it is run. I have lined here for 10 years and I think that it is the best place in the world

[Bonny]

Frankly, I have lived here 15 years this month. I don't know and don't care who's running what. I just want everyone to keep doing whatever they are doing. ;)

[pqrstar]

you do need to remember the most important thing.....the villages is a subdivision, not a city or even a town. It is a development.

It is run by the developer.

Each CDD is a public non-profit unit of local government.

Each CDD is controlled by a 5 member board of supervisors. As each CDD is built out, a process of transition will begin so that the district will eventually be controlled by the residents.

The procedure is spelled out at the Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org) website.

"Your community development district"
VCDD Your Community District (http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/index.aspx)

Since there are no residents in the Village Center CDD and Sumter Landing CDD, the board of supervisors will be elected by the landowners of property within the boundaries of the District.

[dewilson58]

:wine: :popcorn:

Are you sharing???

[Bonny]

Are you sharing???
Sorry, I just finished the wine but here's a beer :p :beer3:

[twoplanekid]

I understand the election process for the districts as described on the Village web site. This document doesn’t describe the relationships between the districts to govern The Villages as one entity. I understand that something called inter-local agreements come into play. Is there one entity that controls or directs all districts? It doesn’t seem that The Villages is a loose association of CDDs. I can’t find anything about these interactions on the web site.

I love my house in the Villages that I get to see from time to time and am happy that my brother purchased a house down the street from me.

I would hope that by having this learning experience/discussion everyone can come away with a better understanding of the governing of The Villages to dispel some of the rumors and misunderstandings that exist today on this site.

[Topspinmo]

I want just the facts as Joe Friday would say and as suggested by Ms. Tutt. So, who runs/controls The Villages? I know that The Villages is a wonderful place with great people. The developer started the community and continues to build new houses, recreation centers, golf courses and other amenities. The Developer also manages the commercial CDDs by appointing associates to the board of supervisors for these CDDs. All residential CDDs will eventually be governed by elected district supervisors. And then there are inter-local district agreements that must be followed that allow someone to control all? Are all CDDs created equal? Who is in charge and where does the buck stop?

It has become apparent to me in comments made by many in the threuad “Janet Tutt doesn’t like us?” that there is a general lack of understanding of the organizational structure and who has the final say. Let’s use Janet Tutt as an example. Some say “Managing day-to-day affairs for the developer is her job” while others say “Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer”. I am confused. The Village leadership structure should be public knowledge.

Many people have suggested that the developer runs TV as a personal business as is suggested by the IRS in the Bond case. Our Village attorneys and others claim that The Villages are operated under CDD rules that allow elected and or appointed officials to govern with very little control by the developer. Please go to the districtgov web site to read the various descriptions of governance in IRS updates.

The operational structure chart for The Villages can be found on the districtgov web.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/staff/orgchart.aspx)

It’s as clear as mud to me after looking at this chart!

When talking to some Villages employees or in a welcome orientation, people tend to beat around the bush as to who is in ultimate control. They may not know.

I am trying to understand what form of governmental structure we do have in The Villages and who is in control. It looks like CDDs plus something else. Some might say don’t ask as everything is perfect. I say enquiring minds need to know to help stop the misinformation and rumors. If the developer doesn’t control The Villages then stop saying the developer does and vice versa.

Can anyone point to official documents that explain the governance of The Villages and who then controls the same?

Me! I do what I want, when I want, and how long I want!

[CFrance]

Frankly, I have lived here 15 years this month. I don't know and don't care who's running what. I just want everyone to keep doing whatever they are doing. ;)
And all the restaurants to remain delish! I'm with you.

My husband went to a meeting he thought was worthwhile in explaining how things are run. Here is the description:

CDD Orientation
Even if you think it is something that will bore you to tears, you should attend attend the “Introduction to your Special Purpose Local Government” informational program. At this information session, you will learn how the districts operate and learn other important community information about the people, services, and other supporting entities that help make The Villages tick.
Sessions are held every Thursday at 10:00 a.m. at the District Office (3201 Wedgewood Lane), in the Conference Room at the east end of the building next to the Customer Service Center. NOTE: now held in district offices at LSL

[JoMar]

The Village Center Community Development District with inter nodal agreements with Sumter Landing CDD and the Brownwood CDD sets policy. Janet Tutt reports to the VCCDD and is responsible for implementing their policies and her organization is also responsible for maintaining the amenities and support we all use. Fire, Community Watch, water treatment, executive golf, landscaping along with the budget, finance, human resources, purchasing, County police interface etc. The District may provide services to the Developer in accord with Florida Law if the developer chooses to use the District. The services provided are billed to the Developer. An example would be maintenance of the commercial properties. The Developer, well, develops. Florida Law provides for the mandatory and measured transition of his residential properties to a CDD which over time becomes managed by the residents. The Developer has no impact on the CDD's once the total transition is made. The CDD's (1-11) have agreements with the VCCDD and through them share their resources which, as previously mentioned, are managed by Ms Tutt. The CDD's have inputs to the VCCDD into the policies established. A current example would be the stripping of the MMPs. The Developer maintains ownership of the Commercial Properties and is responsible for attracting commercial entities, building or outfitting to suit the client. His operation is, as with any Developer, privately owned with a business model designed to insure profit to his business. Part of that model, I'm sure, is to attract businesses that have an interest in our demographic. The resent change to how we are counted is to his advantage as he can now break out the demographics of TV without it being included with other places i.e., Ocala. However, he does not have an obligation to us, he does have an obligation to his business and fortunately, so far, that has always benefited us. I hope this helps.

[JoMar]

Twoplanekid is asking loaded questions, IMHO he already has the answers! Twoplanekid is a very intelligent person, knows how to research and find info on-line.

The golf cart seatbelt thread started the same way, loaded questions just trying to understand. The next thing he wants to change the speed limit require seat belt etc.

This thread will be no different.

I suspected that but there are a lot of posters on here that do not understand the organizational structure and point fingers at the Developer when it is the responsibility of the District and vice versa. There are also a lot of baiters/haters on here but, that's life I guess.

[Bonny]

Unfortunately Bonny is out of wine.
Good news, I'm not out of gin.
Tonight I'll sit back and read thru all the posts.
(knowing there will be facts and fiction)

We just have to try not to fall for baiters/haters.

Everyone have a Great Weekend!!!!

:wave::wave:
Take out the worst, take out the best and then read the rest. LOL

[twoplanekid]

If I understand this correctly, the three commercial CDDs have inter nodal agreements between themselves that sets policy for all of the CDDs in the Villages. However, CDD’s (1-11) have inputs to the VCCDD (the master of the 3 commercial CDDs) into the policies established.

If the above is correct, the VCCDD is then the master CDD for The Villages? I guess I need to go to the master to request that all golf cars be painted the same yellow color for visibility and safety sake.

[graciegirl]

If I understand this correctly, the three commercial CDDs have inter nodal agreements between themselves that sets policy for all of the CDDs in the Villages. However, CDD’s (1-11) have inputs to the VCCDD (the master of the 3 commercial CDDs) into the policies established.

If the above is correct, the VCCDD is then the master CDD for The Villages? I guess I need to go to the master to request that all golf cars be painted the same yellow color for visibility and safety sake.

Where is my rosary?

[newguyintv]

I want just the facts as Joe Friday would say and as suggested by Ms. Tutt. So, who runs/controls The Villages? I know that The Villages is a wonderful place with great people. The developer started the community and continues to build new houses, recreation centers, golf courses and other amenities. The Developer also manages the commercial CDDs by appointing associates to the board of supervisors for these CDDs. All residential CDDs will eventually be governed by elected district supervisors. And then there are inter-local district agreements that must be followed that allow someone to control all? Are all CDDs created equal? Who is in charge and where does the buck stop?

It has become apparent to me in comments made by many in the thread “Janet Tutt doesn’t like us?” that there is a general lack of understanding of the organizational structure and who has the final say. Let’s use Janet Tutt as an example. Some say “Managing day-to-day affairs for the developer is her job” while others say “Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer”. I am confused. The Village leadership structure should be public knowledge.

Many people have suggested that the developer runs TV as a personal business as is suggested by the IRS in the Bond case. Our Village attorneys and others claim that The Villages are operated under CDD rules that allow elected and or appointed officials to govern with very little control by the developer. Please go to the districtgov web site to read the various descriptions of governance in IRS updates.

The operational structure chart for The Villages can be found on the districtgov web.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/staff/orgchart.aspx)

It’s as clear as mud to me after looking at this chart!

When talking to some Villages employees or in a welcome orientation, people tend to beat around the bush as to who is in ultimate control. They may not know.

I am trying to understand what form of governmental structure we do have in The Villages and who is in control. It looks like CDDs plus something else. Some might say don’t ask as everything is perfect. I say enquiring minds need to know to help stop the misinformation and rumors. If the developer doesn’t control The Villages then stop saying the developer does and vice versa.

Can anyone point to official documents that explain the governance of The Villages and who then controls the same?

"A Rose by any other name would smell as sweet"! How can anyone dispute the likelihood that the defacto answer is "The Family Morse"!

[Barefoot]

I am not asking or wanting to change a thing in The Villages! Where are the facts! I am trying to stop rumors and misinformation from being spread.

Your answer is below.


CDD Orientation
Even if you think it is something that will bore you to tears, you should attend attend the “Introduction to your Special Purpose Local Government” informational program. At this information session, you will learn how the districts operate and learn other important community information about the people, services, and other supporting entities that help make The Villages tick.
Sessions are held every Thursday at 10:00 a.m. at the District Office (3201 Wedgewood Lane), in the Conference Room at the east end of the building next to the Customer Service Center. NOTE: now held in district offices at LSL

[John_W]

.................Who governs The Villages?...............

The Govenator!!

http://cdn.filmschoolrejects.com/images/TheGovernator.jpg

[tomwed]

Who governs The Villages?
I don't feel like reading everything.
Is there a name or names?

I promise not to ask any questions or make any comments.

[CFrance]

Where is my rosary?
:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[dbussone]

Where is my rosary?

Did you leave it in the former church on the square when you went to a performance the other night.?

[Challenger]

kstew43 says "you do need to remember the most important thing.....the villages is a subdivision, not a city or even a town. It is a development. It is run by the developer."

The OP just wants the FACTS and something to substantiate that, not opinion.
So where are your facts?


see below
Governannce:
Lake, Marion and Sumter County , Wildwood,Ladylake and Fruitland statutes and regulations. (depending on where in the Villages that you live.

Community Development Districts 1-11 under special provisions of the Fla statues. Community Development districts are "run" by elected reps. CDD have no power to make laws or enforce police powers.

[NavyNJ]

Governance:
Lake, Marion and Sumter County , Wildwood,Ladylake and Fruitland statutes and regulations. (depending on where in the Villages that you live.

Community Development Districts 1-11 under special provisions of the Fla statues. Community Development districts are "run" by elected reps. CDD have no power to make laws or enforce police powers.

This info, combined with some of the longer posts on how the CDD's are run and what their mission is (whether Residential 1-11, or one of the Commercial 3), is actually one of the more complete answers in this thread. One needs to just sit back and understand that the environment in TV is not a cut & dried municipal government model that many/most came from. It's actually a hybrid, with the local municipalities as stated above setting guidelines for things thru ordinances and regulations (and enforcing same), and the CDD's taking care of the "business" of keeping TV infrastructure and systems operating. And, from my experiences, the "inter-local agreements" that are referred to are very similar to "shared services agreements" that many municipalities sign with each other to reduce the overall cost of things they can do for one another more efficiently, or by sharing a single resource (i.e., 2 towns sharing a PD or FD or EMS, or using the same Public Works Dept. to work on both sets of roads or parks). In the end, the only difference I see is that in TV, we don't actually have a single "City Hall" to march on with torches in the nights when we're energized about an issue! Cheers!! :)

[SALYBOW]

Graciegirl

[dbussone]

Graciegirl

Thank goodness.

[pqrstar]

. . . In the end, the only difference I see is that in TV, we don't actually have a single "City Hall" to march on with torches in the nights when we're energized about an issue! Cheers!! :)

Here is an example of how public meetings are handled.

Multi-Modal Path Discussion Group meeting.
Tues. May 9 at Eisenhower Rec. Center

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/PdfView/PdfView.aspx?path=%27/PdfUpload/MMPWG%20Agenda%205.5.15.pdf%27&ql=standard)

[justjim]

OP, my best answer to your question "who is in control" is and it's my final answer: ITS COMPLICATED. I'm not the brightest bulb in the ceiling so Ive got to keep it simple. The Developer is in control of the commercial properties of TV and also the residential until the Districts are complete. The various municipalities are in control of policing activities, streets, building codes, etc. in their juristiction, and the three counties are in control where there is no municipal juristiction.

This,as I said, as simple and complicated as it gets. It all works!

[Nursebarb1]

OMG, GG, I can't wait to meet you!

[Barefoot]

Graciegirl

And she governs with patience, humor and exceedingly good grace.

[SALYBOW]

OMG, GG, I can't wait to meet you!

Don't forget to kiss her ring!:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[outlaw]

Who governs The Villages?
I don't feel like reading everything.
Is there a name or names?

I promise not to ask any questions or make any comments.

You're kidding, right?

[looneycat]

Who governs The Villages?
I don't feel like reading everything.
Is there a name or names?

I promise not to ask any questions or make any comments.

you did ask a question, and made a comment

[JMEZARIC3]

I want just the facts as Joe Friday would say and as suggested by Ms. Tutt. So, who runs/controls The Villages? I know that The Villages is a wonderful place with great people. The developer started the community and continues to build new houses, recreation centers, golf courses and other amenities. The Developer also manages the commercial CDDs by appointing associates to the board of supervisors for these CDDs. All residential CDDs will eventually be governed by elected district supervisors. And then there are inter-local district agreements that must be followed that allow someone to control all? Are all CDDs created equal? Who is in charge and where does the buck stop?

It has become apparent to me in comments made by many in the thread “Janet Tutt doesn’t like us?” that there is a general lack of understanding of the organizational structure and who has the final say. Let’s use Janet Tutt as an example. Some say “Managing day-to-day affairs for the developer is her job” while others say “Janet Tutt does not work for the Developer”. I am confused. The Village leadership structure should be public knowledge.

Many people have suggested that the developer runs TV as a personal business as is suggested by the IRS in the Bond case. Our Village attorneys and others claim that The Villages are operated under CDD rules that allow elected and or appointed officials to govern with very little control by the developer. Please go to the districtgov web site to read the various descriptions of governance in IRS updates.

The operational structure chart for The Villages can be found on the districtgov web.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/staff/orgchart.aspx)

It’s as clear as mud to me after looking at this chart!

When talking to some Villages employees or in a welcome orientation, people tend to beat around the bush as to who is in ultimate control. They may not know.

I am trying to understand what form of governmental structure we do have in The Villages and who is in control. It looks like CDDs plus something else. Some might say don’t ask as everything is perfect. I say enquiring minds need to know to help stop the misinformation and rumors. If the developer doesn’t control The Villages then stop saying the developer does and vice versa.

Can anyone point to official documents that explain the governance of The Villages and who then controls the same?

We all pay two fees.The monthly ameity fee and a yearly assessment on our real estate tax bill.Follow the money.
Who controls each fee?I do not have a good answer.
What are the expenses paid by each fee?I do not have a good answer.
If someone could answer these questions,I can have a start on how the CCD'S operate.

[dirtbanker]

I need to go to the master to request that all golf cars be painted the same yellow color for visibility and safety sake.

Oh for THE LOVE OF GOD, why stop there?

Every person in a golf cart should have a 5 point harness seat belt, If it is a gas cart everyone in the cart should be wearing fire retardant clothing (including balaclavas and footwear!), all automobiles should be painted the same color yellow, all lawn equipment should be painted the same color yellow, all golfers should wear head protection and safety glasses, everyone should put out orange cones when they are parked, no extension cords should be used unless they have GFCI protected, hearing protection should be mandatory for attending entertainment in the squares and restaurants, there should be salt tablet dispensers and eye wash stations on every corner, all residents should attend a safety meeting at least once a week, condom dispensers should be installed anywhere that more than one person could gather (ie: safety meetings!), everything sharp should be dulled...Please remember; Safety is not supposed to be fun!

[jflynn1]

If you read the Front Page story Daily Commercial Saturday May 2nd
it will provide you with all the information you need regarding who governs and controls The Villages Development.

[graciegirl]

If you read the Front Page story Daily Commercial Saturday May 2nd
it will provide you with all the information you need regarding who governs and controls The Villages Development.

There is an article in The Daily Commercial, but you have to read it carefully.

I will copy my post on The Charter School thread; The article is about The Villages Charter School. You can link it by just typing The Daily Commercial into your browser.


The gist of it is that the state will enforce class size in The Charter School..

And my guess? The school will probably not be expanded...as the developer appears to be phasing down in building.

The article focuses on the fact that the Charter School only takes kids whose parents are employed by The Villages. Not just employed IN The Villages. I find the title inflammatory. But that is me.

This is quoted from the article.

"It’s a wonderful testimony to our teachers and faculty that so many folks want to send their kids to our school,” Principal Randy McDaniel wrote in an email. “However, just like other Florida schools we are restricted by the law limiting class sizes and our facilities have reached that capacity.”

I think the rest of that article is hype, but that is my opinion.

I don't get The Daily Commercial, because I am satisfied with The Sun and the online news. Some people get the Orlando Sentinel or the Commercial perhaps in part because the editorial page of the Sun bothers them.

Disclaimer. I don't work in any way for The Villages or anybody. I love it here. I think it wise that we all try to quell rumors, and correct misinformation for no other reason but to protect our investment. But I sincerely love this place, JUST THE WAY IT IS.

[twoplanekid]

It seems that the developer does have a great influence on the direction and decision making for The Villages through his control of all of the commercial CDDs that apparently exercise more control over policies than any of the residential CDDs. Just being the only developer in The Villages would have made any Developer quite influential. I am not debating whether this is good or bad. It just the way I understand how things work in The Villages which seems so far to be a great place to live.

MS Tutt must be a fantastic administrator to work for us and also receive directions from the Developer. The resolution for most issues would take a common path with a few needing to go the way of the stronger push.

What the future will hold as more and more people come to The Villages can’t be foretold. We need to enjoy this time and place as it is now because changes in life are enviable.

Now, if only someone would let me land my Yellow Piper Cub in The Villages. I would rather fly than drive a golf car. It's safer.

[champion6]

If you read the Front Page story Daily Commercial Saturday May 2nd it will provide you with all the information you need regarding who governs and controls The Villages Development.No it doesn't.

[Buffalo Jim]

Oh for THE LOVE OF GOD, why stop there?

Every person in a golf cart should have a 5 point harness seat belt, If it is a gas cart everyone in the cart should be wearing fire retardant clothing (including balaclavas and footwear!), all automobiles should be painted the same color yellow, all lawn equipment should be painted the same color yellow, all golfers should wear head protection and safety glasses, everyone should put out orange cones when they are parked, no extension cords should be used unless they have GFCI protected, hearing protection should be mandatory for attending entertainment in the squares and restaurants, there should be salt tablet dispensers and eye wash stations on every corner, all residents should attend a safety meeting at least once a week, condom dispensers should be installed anywhere that more than one person could gather (ie: safety meetings!), everything sharp should be dulled...Please remember; Safety is not supposed to be fun!

Yes, and everyone should be required to drive the same year and model automobile . Each will also be painted the same bright yellow color . In addition to license plates they will have large numbers painted on the front , rear and sides so that they can be easily identified in the event that the driver somehow offends someone else . Said automobiles will be adjusted so that they may not drive any faster than 30 MPH .

Each New Year`s Day and May Day anyone who wishes may impose a new regulation on the entire population by simply posting it on TOTV . This will ensure that everyone feels " validated " and " empowered " to eliminate any felt " injustice " or simple " irritation ".
Perhaps someone who is " energized " by this " enlightened and progressive " approach to self-government might be willing to open a new thread so that we may start a list of the new regulations that will be imposed beginning on 1/1/16 as we have just missed the May-Day " window ". :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah::ho:

[2BNTV]

I don't know or care who is in command. TV runs like a well oiled machine and I am a happy camper. :smiley:

I've read all of the responses and I need to take two aspirin and lie down as my head hurts!

Why mess with something, if it ain't broke. :smiley:

[Barefoot]

Yes, and everyone should be required to drive the same year and model automobile . Each will also be painted the same bright yellow color . In addition to license plates they will have large numbers painted on the front , rear and sides so that they can be easily identified in the event that the driver somehow offends someone else . Said automobiles will be adjusted so that they may not drive any faster than 30 MPH .

Each New Year`s Day and May Day anyone who wishes may impose a new regulation on the entire population by simply posting it on TOTV . This will ensure that everyone feels " validated " and " empowered " to eliminate any felt " injustice " or simple " irritation ". Perhaps someone who is " energized " by this " enlightened and progressive " approach to self-government might be willing to open a new thread so that we may start a list of the new regulations that will be imposed beginning on 1/1/16 as we have just missed the May-Day " window ".

:shocked: Oh Oh ---- I'm a little worried about the Health Nuts that want us to eat only weeds and twigs.

[DonH57]

I don't know or care who is in command. TV runs like a well oiled machine and I am a happy camper. :smiley:

I've read all of the responses and I need to take two aspirin and lie down as my head hurts!

Why mess with something, if it ain't broke. :smiley:

I don't have aspirin but I have scotch.:MOJE_whot:

[twoplanekid]

Hey, I like the color Yellow. Almost all Piper Cubs are painted Yellow. SO, why not golf carts?

Just kidding. Please:icon_wink:

:icon_wink:

[Bonanza]

For those that say everything here is perfect and that they don't care how things are run TV, that they don't want any changes, that they don't care who is running things, etc., etc., etc. . . . . it's shameful and an embarrassment. How do these people go through life (now) with their head in the sand??

Okay -- my real question is, if TV is a non-profit development, how does TV get around having so much money in the till? By this I mean, well over a million has already be paid out to the attorneys for the bond issue. Money has to be paid out for the tree-o-rama fiasco. Millions will be paid out for the erosion under the bridge deal. And with this all, there will be no special assessment?

So the money is sitting there -- waiting to be used. Personally, with all this money in the reserves (I will call it), why are we not getting a reduction in our monthly fee and when money is needed for an unusual need, we can then be assessed for the specific thing?

[NavyNJ]

For those that say everything here is perfect and that they don't care how things are run TV, that they don't want any changes, that they don't care who is running things, etc., etc., etc. . . . . it's shameful and an embarrassment. How do these people go through life (now) with their head in the sand??

Okay -- my real question is, if TV is a non-profit development, how does TV get around having so much money in the till? By this I mean, well over a million has already be paid out to the attorneys for the bond issue. Money has to be paid out for the tree-o-rama fiasco. Millions will be paid out for the erosion under the bridge deal. And with this all, there will be no special assessment?

So the money is sitting there -- waiting to be used. Personally, with all this money in the reserves (I will call it), why are we not getting a reduction in our monthly fee and when money is needed for an unusual need, we can then be assessed for the specific thing?

Uhh, I think you're maybe getting some terminology mixed up. Here is what a Non-Profit (or, Not-For-Profit) entity is all about:

Definition: A business organization that serves some public purpose and therefore enjoys special treatment under the law. Nonprofit corporations, contrary to their name, can make a profit but can't be designed primarily for profit-making. .

When it comes to business structure, unlike a for-profit business, a nonprofit may be eligible for certain benefits, such as sales, property and income tax exemptions at the state level. The IRS points out that while most federal tax-exempt organizations are nonprofit organizations, organizing as a nonprofit at the state level doesn't automatically grant you an exemption from federal income tax.

Another major difference between a profit and nonprofit business deals with the treatment of the profits. With a for-profit business, the owners and shareholders generally receive the profits. With a nonprofit, any money that's left after the organization has paid its bills is put back into the organization. Some types of nonprofits can receive contributions that are tax deductible to the individual who contributes to the organization. Keep in mind that nonprofits are organized to provide some benefit to the public.

(Source: Entrepeneur magazine web site)
Hope that helps clear up some of your confusion on all this. :)

[Challenger]

For those that say everything here is perfect and that they don't care how things are run TV, that they don't want any changes, that they don't care who is running things, etc., etc., etc. . . . . it's shameful and an embarrassment. How do these people go through life (now) with their head in the sand??

Okay -- my real question is, if TV is a non-profit development, how does TV get around having so much money in the till? By this I mean, well over a million has already be paid out to the attorneys for the bond issue. Money has to be paid out for the tree-o-rama fiasco. Millions will be paid out for the erosion under the bridge deal. And with this all, there will be no special assessment?

So the money is sitting there -- waiting to be used. Personally, with all this money in the reserves (I will call it), why are we not getting a reduction in our monthly fee and when money is needed for an unusual need, we can then be assessed for the specific thing?

After all the discussion in this and and other threads, it is shocking that there is so little understanding of how things work. Neither TV nor the Developer are "Non Profit". Capital and other reserves are there for a reason- thank the heavens! It is very unwise to advocate for change until one understands the current situation.

[Bonanza]

Uhh, I think you're maybe getting some terminology mixed up. Here is what a Non-Profit (or, Not-For-Profit) entity is all about:

Definition: A business organization that serves some public purpose and therefore enjoys special treatment under the law. Nonprofit corporations, contrary to their name, can make a profit but can't be designed primarily for profit-making. .

When it comes to business structure, unlike a for-profit business, a nonprofit may be eligible for certain benefits, such as sales, property and income tax exemptions at the state level. The IRS points out that while most federal tax-exempt organizations are nonprofit organizations, organizing as a nonprofit at the state level doesn't automatically grant you an exemption from federal income tax.

Another major difference between a profit and nonprofit business deals with the treatment of the profits. With a for-profit business, the owners and shareholders generally receive the profits. With a nonprofit, any money that's left after the organization has paid its bills is put back into the organization. Some types of nonprofits can receive contributions that are tax deductible to the individual who contributes to the organization. Keep in mind that nonprofits are organized to provide some benefit to the public.

(Source: Entrepeneur magazine web site)
Hope that helps clear up some of your confusion on all this. :)

After all the discussion in this and and other threads, it is shocking that there is so little understanding of how things work. Neither TV nor the Developer are "Non Profit". Capital and other reserves are there for a reason- thank the heavens! It is very unwise to advocate for change until one understands the current situation.

I try my damndest to understand it all! It is, at best, confusing. I guess I'm too used to PUDs, condo assns., homeowner assns., etc.

Thank you both for your comments!

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by tomwed View Post
Who governs The Villages?
I don't feel like reading everything.
Is there a name or names?

I promise not to ask any questions or make any comments.

You're kidding, right?

Did anyone provide a name or names?
I still don't fel like reading everything.

[Philip Winkler]

If you really want to understand more about the CDD form of government you need to participate in one of these sessions:
Welcome Wednesday - New Meeting Time in May!

Welcome Wednesday was created in November 2014 as a way to give residents the opportunity to learn about ongoing projects, address rumors and have their questions answered by District staff. Now that the program has been in existence for a few months, we have identified improvements based on feedback we received. Beginning in May 2015, we will be meeting each Wednesday at 11:00 a.m. Please join us each Wednesday at 11:00 a.m. at the District office located at 984 Old Mill Run to have the opportunity to hear first-hand about the latest rumors and meet District Board Supervisors from your CDD and others. For additional information, please contact the Customer Service Center at (352) 753-4508 or click on the header of this announcement. If you are unable to attend, we are also posting weekly updates on Village Community Development Districts (http://www.DistrictGov.org) for your convenience. We look forward to seeing you next Wednesday!

[twoplanekid]

All of the commercial activities in the Villages are controlled by the Developer group as they own the land at the three town squares thus controlling the three commercial CDDs. They also control all construction of new housing and other amenity development that occurs in The Villages. We, as land owners control our property and home adhering to the guidelines/regulations we accepted on purchase. All of the residential CDDs will eventually be governed by a five person board of supervisors for each district elected by the residents. The VCCDD is somewhat of a master CDD with the AAC (Amenity Authority Committee) reporting to them. All of the CDDs share resources and are under the umbrella of the district office with Janet Tutt as the District Manager.

While the Developer group has substantial sway in all aspects of the Villages, I can’t say or see that The Villages has one person in charge as is the case with the President of the United States.

[billethkid]

In one of the earlier posts in this thread the OP stated to enjoy TV and as more people move in things will change.
Please remember all is relative.

When we built our home here the was nothing south of 466 (not 466A).
No arnold Palmer club or golf courses....no Sumter town square.
Population was around 35,000.

Fast forward 10 years later, population 115,000....many more golf courses...TV excedes retail critical mass.....lots of national chains come in.....etc.....etc.

However it was and is managed is more successful than most cities we all came from. The developer and subseqnt organization and structure has served the residents well and of course has become wealthier in the process. That is what it is all about.

We all have more bang for our dollar than most places, with comparable amenities.

My vote would be to not mess with success.
I have been witness to several developements that when the developer finally leaves, the residents take over and try to run things differently. Far too many wind up in failure of raising amenity or resident fees to cover......get ready.....out of control spending, doing too many things that played to the special interest or most vocal groups.

The structure here in TV as has been said is complicated.....but it does work.
Under this structure more than 80% of us residents are happy. Under some other non developer run/supported system that percentage will soon change to something like 20% happy and 80% wishing it was it used to be.

My $3.26 (two cents adjusted for inflation).

[Bonny]

In one of the earlier posts in this thread the OP stated to enjoy TV and as more people move in things will change.
Please remember all is relative.

When we built our home here the was nothing south of 466 (not 466A).
No arnold Palmer club or golf courses....no Sumter town square.
Population was around 35,000.

Fast forward 10 years later, population 115,000....many more golf courses...TV excedes retail critical mass.....lots of national chains come in.....etc.....etc.

However it was and is managed is more successful than most cities we all came from. The developer and subseqnt organization and structure has served the residents well and of course has become wealthier in the process. That is what it is all about.

We all have more bang for our dollar than most places, with comparable amenities.

My vote would be to not mess with success.
I have been witness to several developements that when the developer finally leaves, the residents take over and try to run things differently. Far too many wind up in failure of raising amenity or resident fees to cover......get ready.....out of control spending, doing too many things that played to the special interest or most vocal groups.

The structure here in TV as has been said is complicated.....but it does work.
Under this structure more than 80% of us residents are happy. Under some other non developer run/supported system that percentage will soon change to something like 20% happy and 80% wishing it was it used to be.

My $3.26 (two cents adjusted for inflation).
:bigbow: Well said !!

[twoplanekid]

When I attended the Welcome to The Villages seminar this past winter at the district office, they stressed that the amenities fees were structured in such a manner that all would be ok even if the developer would leave. From what I have read, the governing structure of The Villages has changed since the 90’s because of both court and government actions. I am trying to stay focused on understanding the current governing structure as “The structure here in TV as has been said is complicated”.

I love The Villages, own a home here and want to know more about the governing structure for my own edification and to help others get a clearer picture if they so choose. A rumor many times is born of ignorance.

[Bogie Shooter]

When I attended the Welcome to The Villages seminar this past winter at the district office, they stressed that the amenities fees were structured in such a manner that all would be ok even if the developer would leave. From what I have read, the governing structure of The Villages has changed since the 90’s because of both court and government actions. I am trying to stay focused on understanding the current governing structure as “The structure here in TV as has been said is complicated”.

I love The Villages, own a home here and want to know more about the governing structure for my own edification and to help others get a clearer picture if they so choose. A rumor many times is born of ignorance.

At this point in the thread you must relize that TOTV is not the place enhance you edification. A bunch of different opinions (guess's) will not be the facts.

[twoplanekid]

At this point in the thread you must relize that TOTV is not the place enhance you edification. A bunch of different opinions (guess's) will not be the facts.

Maybe Janet Tutt will write an article on the governance of The Villages for the districtgov.org site that we can post here for all to read. Hint! Hint!

[Ed Krik]

In one of the earlier posts in this thread the OP stated to enjoy TV and as more people move in things will change.
Please remember all is relative.

When we built our home here the was nothing south of 466 (not 466A).
No arnold Palmer club or golf courses....no Sumter town square.
Population was around 35,000.

Fast forward 10 years later, population 115,000....many more golf courses...TV excedes retail critical mass.....lots of national chains come in.....etc.....etc.

However it was and is managed is more successful than most cities we all came from. The developer and subseqnt organization and structure has served the residents well and of course has become wealthier in the process. That is what it is all about.

We all have more bang for our dollar than most places, with comparable amenities.

My vote would be to not mess with success.
I have been witness to several developements that when the developer finally leaves, the residents take over and try to run things differently. Far too many wind up in failure of raising amenity or resident fees to cover......get ready.....out of control spending, doing too many things that played to the special interest or most vocal groups.

The structure here in TV as has been said is complicated.....but it does work.
Under this structure more than 80% of us residents are happy. Under some other non developer run/supported system that percentage will soon change to something like 20% happy and 80% wishing it was it used to be.

My $3.26 (two cents adjusted for inflation).

I second well said:bigbow:

[twoplanekid]

Don’t fret. It was suggested in another thread (banning outside buses from the squares) that “Actually in the Villages, we don't live in a democracy. The Morses' own it and can do as they please, whether we like it or not. They don't have to discuss or get approval from any of the Villagers.”

I believe that the Morse’s have created something unique in The Villages. They should control their businesses. They certainly control the three commercial districts and any new district for a period of time. Because of inter- nodal agreements and rules that will exist for many, many years, the changes that will inevitably take place over time in any locality will be slow in coming and not noticeable to most people in The Villages.

That said, we do live in a democracy and I am fairly sure that the Morse’s would agree with that statement. Eventual control of all residential districts will transition to the residents. I would not expect anything less as we live in The United States of America.

[Bonny]

Don’t fret. It was suggested in another thread (banning outside buses from the squares) that “Actually in the Villages, we don't live in a democracy. The Morses' own it and can do as they please, whether we like it or not. They don't have to discuss or get approval from any of the Villagers.”

I believe that the Morse’s have created something unique in The Villages. They should control their businesses. They certainly control the three commercial districts and any new district for a period of time. Because of inter- modal agreements and rules that will exist for many, many years, the changes that will inevitably take place over time in any locality will be slow in coming and not noticeable to most people in The Villages.

That said, we do live in a democracy and I am fairly sure that the Morse’s would agree with that statement. Eventual control of all residential districts will transition to the residents. I would not expect anything less as we live in The United States of America.
When the control turns over to the residents, then maybe more of a democracy. But at this time, I truly believe what you quoted me as saying.
I love the Morse family and the place they have created, but they do not have to get our approval for anything. Whatever they do works for me so far. :icon_wink:

[Big O]

Don’t fret. It was suggested in another thread (banning outside buses from the squares) that “Actually in the Villages, we don't live in a democracy. The Morses' own it and can do as they please, whether we like it or not. They don't have to discuss or get approval from any of the Villagers.”

I believe that the Morse’s have created something unique in The Villages. They should control their businesses. They certainly control the three commercial districts and any new district for a period of time. Because of inter- modal agreements and rules that will exist for many, many years, the changes that will inevitably take place over time in any locality will be slow in coming and not noticeable to most people in The Villages.

That said, we do live in a democracy and I am fairly sure that the Morse’s would agree with that statement. Eventual control of all residential districts will transition to the residents. I would not expect anything less as we live in The United States of America.

Please look it up. We do not live in a democracy, we live in a representative form of government called a REPUBLIC. We elect people who hopefully follow our wishes. There is no popular vote. (Even in The Villages) Thank God for our Founding Fathers foresight.

[twoplanekid]

You are correct. I was using democracy in the general sense as recognized by many such as the old slogan “fighting for democracy” used in WWII.

[graciegirl]

You are correct. I was using democracy in the general sense as recognized by many such as the old slogan “fighting for democracy”.

Did you know how The Villages was run before you moved here? Do you want to change things so you can be the Mayor and "govern" The Villages?

You and me, we are from Ohio where we learned, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.".

It is an interesting and unusual way to run a large metropolitan area but it works. We don't have much crime and we don't have rampant drugs and we don't have urban decay. We don't have a lot of things that like size cities have. So PLEASE try to appreciate that and perhaps take up golf?

I moved here to retire from running the world. Most of us have served on our share of boards and committees and threw our shoulder to the wheel lobbying for vote approval for school bonds and all kind of civic improvement and raised funds for medical research etc.etc.etc.

We who want to help can still tutor at the schools, collect for the needy in Ocala Forest, volunteer at the hospitals, contribute to the back pack program and visit the sick. There are all kinds of tasks for folks who want to help The Villages and the world here.

You would be amazed at how savvy and enlightened most of us villagers are. Live here for awhile, you will be astonished at the folks you meet. We have lots of retired people who used to wear big hats and run big companies, big schools, big departments, big research projects and many who have saved thousands of lives and taught thousands of children and moved millions of dollars all within the law. Many have made this world a better place and moved here because they recognized that this is a better place and very well run.

[Hunwegian]

Simply Amazing ! Gracie, the power of your words jump right off the page. If you could only put yourself in my shoes. My husband and I arrive next Sunday to our home in The Villages. We know not a soul there. You have comforted me today. I now have an insight to the character of the people that I/we are soon to call our friends. Thank you so very much. Happy Mothers Day

[graciegirl]

Did you know how The Villages was run before you moved here? Do you want to change things so you can be the Mayor and "govern" The Villages?

You and me, we are from Ohio where we learned, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.".

It is an interesting and unusual way to run a large metropolitan area but it works. We don't have much crime and we don't have rampant drugs and we don't have urban decay. We don't have a lot of things that like size cities have. So PLEASE try to appreciate that and perhaps take up golf?

I moved here to retire from running the world. Most of us have served on our share of boards and committees and threw our shoulder to the wheel lobbying for vote approval for school bonds and all kind of civic improvement and raised funds for medical research etc.etc.etc.

We who want to help can still tutor at the schools, collect for the needy in Ocala Forest, volunteer at the hospitals, contribute to the back pack program and visit the sick. There are all kinds of tasks for folks who want to help The Villages and the world here.

You would be amazed at how savvy and enlightened most of us villagers are. Live here for awhile, you will be astonished at the folks you meet. We have lots of retired people who used to wear big hats and run big companies, big schools, big departments, big research projects and many who have saved thousands of lives and taught thousands of children and moved millions of dollars all within the law. Many have made this world a better place and moved here because they recognized that this is a better place and very well run.

Bump

[looneycat]

You are correct. I was using democracy in the general sense as recognized by many such as the old slogan “fighting for democracy”.

I never fought for democracy, I fought for my country....in a true democracy I wouldn't have fought as I had no interest in trying to kill others I don't know in countries I don't give a rat's butt about. seen up close your enemy is just like you. war is still man's stupidest invention.

[Greg Nelson]

There is no glory in war. I did two tours in a war I didn't believe in. TV is an amazing place and that's why we're coming back

[Laurie2]

When I attended the Welcome to The Villages seminar this past winter at the district office, they stressed that the amenities fees were structured in such a manner that all would be ok even if the developer would leave. From what I have read, the governing structure of The Villages has changed since the 90’s because of both court and government actions. I am trying to stay focused on understanding the current governing structure as “The structure here in TV as has been said is complicated”.

I love The Villages, own a home here and want to know more about the governing structure for my own edification and to help others get a clearer picture if they so choose. A rumor many times is born of ignorance.


May I offer an analogy. -- Well, I guess it is not exactly an analogy because it is not truly analogous, but it works for me. (I went to a meeting or two, but I am over that now.)

This is how I see our house here in TV.....

It is like living in a corporation.

Owning our house is like owning stock in said corporation.

The corporation pays its stockholders a dividend.

That dividend is what is referred to as "The Lifestyle."

And as anyone who understands dividend-paying stocks knows -- if a corporation that has always paid a dividend decides to start cutting that dividend, that is when the stockholder starts to rethink the investment.

So far. So good. -- For us. For now.

Now, if you really want to take a close look at the innards of TV, maybe somebody here will post that diagram of all the things owned in TV by the developer. It looks like a web. A really big web. I saw it here on TOTV a long time ago, but I have no idea how to find that diagram. I do know that it was OK with me because it showed the developer has an ongoing investment to protect even after the alleged build-out is allegedly over. But to protect that investment, the developer has to take some sort of care of all us golden geese.

Honk-Honk Laurie

[Warren Kiefer]

All of the commercial activities in the Villages are controlled by the Developer group as they own the land at the three town squares thus controlling the three commercial CDDs. They also control all construction of new housing and other amenity development that occurs in The Villages. We, as land owners control our property and home adhering to the guidelines/regulations we accepted on purchase. All of the residential CDDs will eventually be governed by a five person board of supervisors for each district elected by the residents. The VCCDD is somewhat of a master CDD with the AAC (Amenity Authority Committee) reporting to them. All of the CDDs share resources and are under the umbrella of the district office with Janet Tutt as the District Manager.

While the Developer group has substantial sway in all aspects of the Villages, I can’t say or see that The Villages has one person in charge as is the case with the President of the United States.

I have been attempting to get this across to readers for years. We are under the control of the VCCDD's which are totally controlled by the developer and always will be as the developer is the only voting landowner in the VCCDD's.

[twoplanekid]

May I offer an analogy. -- Well, I guess it is not exactly an analogy because it is not truly analogous, but it works for me......

This is how I see our house here in TV.....

It is like living in a corporation.

Owning our house is like owning stock in said corporation.

The corporation pays its stockholders a dividend.

That dividend is what is referred to as "The Lifestyle."

And as anyone who understands dividend-paying stocks knows -- if a corporation that has always paid a dividend decides to start cutting that dividend, that is when the stockholder starts to rethink the investment.

So far. So good. -- For us. For now.

Now, if you really want to take a close look at the innards of TV, maybe somebody here will post that diagram of all the things owned in TV by the developer. It looks like a web. A really big web. I saw it here on TOTV a long time ago, but I have no idea how to find that diagram. I do know that it was OK with me because it showed the developer has an ongoing investment to protect even after the alleged build-out is allegedly over. But to protect that investment, the developer has to take some sort of care of all us golden geese.

Honk-Honk Laurie

Some information about holdings by the developer would be found here ->

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/morse-organization-45624/

And to all the mothers out there, have a happy mother’s day.

[twoplanekid]

From the other online paper in May about Fruitland Park voting to form Community Development District 11.

I didn't know this about Mr. Moyer and I quote:

"Sitting in the audience but making no public comment was Villages Vice President for Development Gary Moyer. Moyer has been synonymous with special districts and district management in Florida since the mid-1970s including drafting and lobbying for the passage of Chapter 190, the legislation which has enabled the formation of Community Development Districts. The legislation was passed and enacted into law in 1980. It is still used as the charter legislation for new Community Development Districts created today."

[graciegirl]

From the other online paper in May about Fruitland Park voting to form Community Development District 11.

I didn't know this and I quote:

"Sitting in the audience but making no public comment was Villages Vice President for Development Gary Moyer. Moyer has been synonymous with special districts and district management in Florida since the mid-1970s including drafting and lobbying for the passage of Chapter 190, the legislation which has enabled the formation of Community Development Districts. The legislation was passed and enacted into law in 1980. It is still used as the charter legislation for new Community Development Districts created today."


Yes, most of us who kept saying wait and see, knew that. We had absorbed all of this information either before we bought or shortly after we moved here. We were all skeptical at first about how this very different place worked.

I got "beat up" when I was a newbie on this forum because it all seemed too good to be true. Well. It isn't.

It isn't run like Circleville, Ohio...which is beautiful and nice. It is run like The Villages which is beautiful and nice, and it's decisions and ways are challenged daily by smart people who are retired and have time. I think that Janet Tutt has one of the most difficult jobs in the world, and she does it well.

[twoplanekid]

Several years ago, I testified in Columbus, Ohio at an Ohio Power Siting Board legal case concerning the placement of wind turbines in our county. My testimony was concerning the aviation aspects of the case. I could understand the close relationship of the wind firms to the state regulators as both worked together to write the regulations and thus established close personal relationships in the process. Because of these close ties, it seemed one was working against a stacked deck to present any new thoughts for changes to those regulations.

Was Mr. Moyer working for the Villages at the time of his helping the State of Florida write and adopt the CDD rules? If he was working for them, I wonder how the “However, the legislature also recognized that at the time prescribed by statute, control should begin a process of transition to the residents” was included. If he wasn’t working for them at the time, I can see why he is working for them now. He must be a sharp man.

[graciegirl]

Several years ago, I testified in Columbus, Ohio at an Ohio Power Siting Board legal case concerning the placement of wind turbines in our county. My testimony was concerning the aviation aspects of the case. I could understand the close relationship of the wind firms to the state regulators as both worked together to write the regulations and thus established close personal relationships in the process. Because of these close ties, it seemed one was working against a stacked deck to present any new thoughts for changes to those regulations.

Was Mr. Moyer working for the Villages at the time of his helping the State of Florida write and adopt the CDD rules? If he was working for them, I wonder how the “However, the legislature also recognized that at the time prescribed by statute, control should begin a process of transition to the residents” was included. If he wasn’t working for them at the time, I can see why he is working for them now. He must be a sharp man.

Are you a lawyer?

[twoplanekid]

Are you a lawyer?

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

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My grandfather was a lawyer in Chicago. Does that count? As some are interested in houses and lawns, I have always been fascinated by the inner workings of local government.

[graciegirl]

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

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My grandfather was a lawyer in Chicago. Does that count? As some are interested in houses and lawns, I have always been fascinated by the inner workings of local government.


I just knew that. The moment you struck your first key stroke. I was just as inquiring as you but I didn't share the journey on TOTV. Thank goodness everything panned out to my satisfaction. Hope you find it all works fine too.

[twoplanekid]

I found some more insights for me as to the workings of The Villages from this 2012 article. According to the information presented, Mr. Moyer started working with Mr. Morse sometime around 1992 which is after the Florida CDD rules were written.

http://www.poa4us.org/history_files/12.03.MarchCivilDiscourse.pdf

[Bogie Shooter]

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[twoplanekid]

A March 13, 2009 article by Janet Tutt as found on the district web site->
http://www.districtgov.org/images/IRSupdates/20090319%20-%20IRS%20Update.pdf

" This decision was in
the best interest of the residents
of The Villages, because
this alternative made sure the
lifestyle provided to each resident
continues in the future,
which is the “special-purpose”
of the local District government.
It is important to note
that the amount of monthly
amenity fees would not change
under any of these scenarios,
as they are contractual obligations.
The only change is that
the facilities went from private
ownership to public ownership,
which allows residents to
participate in decisions affecting
the lifestyle that all residents
enjoy.
Now that the history of the
VCCDD has been explained

[twoplanekid]

I was reading the agenda and minutes for District 10 May meeting when I noticed that they are awarding a contract for a “BIORESTOR” Asphalt product that has apparently be used by many Districts in The Villages. This particular firm, Asphalt Systems is located in Sidney Ohio which is about 30 miles from Urbana where I am located. My wife who has spent years helping to create and develop the Simon Kenton bike trail in Champaign County and beyond tells me that the Pathfinder group will be using this same firm to resurface their trail later in the year. Never know what interesting tidbits of information can be found when reading things on the districtgov.org web site.