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starflyte1
05-07-2015, 11:00 AM
I have noticed in "that other newspaper", in the crime section, that people are being arrested for improper backing. I am not sure what improper backing is. Does anyone know for sure?
rubicon
05-07-2015, 11:58 AM
Two movements by a driver wherein a driver is held totally accountable are improper backing and passing on the left. Yes there can and are contributing circumstances that modify this but if I went into detail this post would be much too long and I am only attempting to explain to the OP why tickets are issued in such circumstances
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dbussone
05-07-2015, 11:58 AM
I have noticed in "that other newspaper", in the crime section, that people are being arrested for improper backing. I am not sure what improper backing is. Does anyone know for sure?
It usually involves backing into another vehicle, person, or structure.
njbchbum
05-07-2015, 12:00 PM
My guess - failure to yield to traffic already in the traffic lane into which the car is backing; and failure to yield to vehicle #1 that began to back up into the traffic lane before vehicle #2 and has entered it further than vehicle #2 has.
outlaw
05-07-2015, 12:20 PM
Are they being "arrested" or ticketed?
DonH57
05-07-2015, 12:23 PM
My quess is they backed their vehicle without assuring they had a clear path striking an object or person. I'm sure it happens here.
Sandtrap328
05-07-2015, 06:09 PM
Are they being "arrested" or ticketed?
Just ticketed. This had to do with a person in a car backing up without looking and hitting a golf cart behind her car. The cart driver fell out of her cart and was taken to the hospital for a checkup.
billethkid
05-07-2015, 06:22 PM
BAcking up without looking happens all day long every day in every major parking lot.
dbussone
05-07-2015, 06:31 PM
BAcking up without looking happens all day long every day in every major parking lot.
Absolutely, it's only the contact that counts I believe.
Carl in Tampa
05-07-2015, 06:34 PM
Two movements by a driver wherein a driver is held totally accountable are improper backing and passing on the left. Yes there can and are contributing circumstances that modify this but if I went into detail this post would be much too long and I am only attempting to explain to the OP why tickets are issued in such circumstances
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Passing on the LEFT is an offense? But passing on the right is okay?
I don't get the gist of this............
Carl in Tampa
05-07-2015, 06:37 PM
Backing into an intersection is an offense, but I think it is listed separately, not as improper backing.
The police agencies don't investigate traffic crashes on privately owned parking lots, so it sounds like an offense that occurs in the streets.
sunnyatlast
05-07-2015, 08:08 PM
BAcking up without looking happens all day long every day in every major parking lot.
As does Walking Behind Parked Cars Without Looking at the Lighted Backup Lights.
Granted, the car should not back up if there's a person walking behind them. But I see people here all the time who just walk/wander without even looking at the cars' backup lights which are lighted. They are oblivious to everything. I think there should be a law so that THEY would be ticketed for Inattentive Walking Behind a Moving Car.
Happinow
05-07-2015, 08:23 PM
It happens a lot here because the population is older and when people get older their heads are unable to turn completely to look behind. They are only ably to look side to side. Thus, when backing up they are ultimately backing up blindly, hoping they don't hit someone or something. I've had it happen to me on several occasions. To protect yourself look for backup lights on vehicles when walking, carting or driving behind another vehicle and get out of the way before they hit you! Most cars come with backup cameras nowadays but it seems that most pay no attention to them. Be safe.
Villager Dude
05-07-2015, 09:52 PM
When parking at the square in a diagonal parking spot and there is a SUV or Van to your left it is impossible to see if any cars are coming. I just have to slowing back out and hope someone stops .
dalecrenshaw
05-07-2015, 11:33 PM
Passing on the LEFT is an offense? But passing on the right is okay?
I don't get the gist of this............
I think I read a few months back, in one of the Village papers online, that it is now against the law, in Florida, to "pass" and then "stay" in the left lane. Like on the Florida turnpike. I'm not sure if it also applies to local highways like 441/27 or streets like Morse Blvd. I think that is what they are referring to when it says passing on the LEFT is an offense.
DougB
05-08-2015, 12:19 AM
Two movements by a driver wherein a driver is held totally accountable are improper backing and passing on the left. Yes there can and are contributing circumstances that modify this but if I went into detail this post would be much too long and I am only attempting to explain to the OP why tickets are issued in such circumstances
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You may need to go into detail because that really made no sense to me.
starflyte1
05-08-2015, 08:16 AM
I thought that it could mean something else entirely. Duh.
I see a golf cart parking space on the opposite side of the street. I turn across the oncoming lane to park in that space. Now, when I leave that space, I back across the closest lane to go the opposite direction. I imagined that I was wrong backing across the lane to the farthest lane rather than backing out and going to the closest lane.
Thanks again. You can see how my mind is jumbled.:)
njbchbum
05-08-2015, 09:32 AM
Backing into an intersection is an offense, but I think it is listed separately, not as improper backing.
The police agencies don't investigate traffic crashes on privately owned parking lots, so it sounds like an offense that occurs in the streets.
It appears from reading the on-line newspaper, that at least the Lady Lake police DO respond to accidents in our parking lots along 441/27...lots of stories there about just that thing...tickets often issued also...can do a search on parking lot to read the reports.
Topspinmo
05-08-2015, 10:49 AM
The 2014 Florida Statutes
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL
View Entire Chapter
316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;
(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;
(c) Upon a roadway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or
(d) Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.
(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.
(4) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the centerline of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under paragraph (1)(b). However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the centerline in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.
(5) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
History.—s. 1, ch. 71-135; s. 104, ch. 99-248; s. 11, ch. 2013-160; s. 5, ch. 2014-216.
I understand it not illegal to drive in the left lane only if your blocking traffic. SO I CAN SPEED ALL I WANT IN THE LEFT LANE until CAUGHT.:1rotfl:
O speeding against the law also. so two wrongs don't make you right :boom:
IMO this don't count multilane streets with stop lights! Could you see the right lane only traffic backed up at stop lights on 441! IMO that what the other lanes are for THROUGH TRAFFIC. In not why did we build more than two lane roads IMO the Law keeps slower traffic to the right so the speeders won't rear end them and the county/state has revenue source from speeders. IMO is also against the Law to Speed in any lane. But, that's none of my business:popcorn:, that's why we have traffic laws. Too bad we don't have more Red light portable camera for speeding. Just think of the Revenue that would generate.
rubicon
05-08-2015, 11:16 AM
Passing on the LEFT is an offense? But passing on the right is okay?
I don't get the gist of this............
Hi Carl:
When on a two lane highway passing on the right is not only OK its suicide.
When passing on the left the operator must be certain the way is clear, that s/he signaled properly and appropriately made other drivers aware of their movement (horn) and that nothing will prevent s/he from overtaking vehicles headed in the same direction and retuning to their proper lane of travel . If done improperly and an accident results negligence will be assigned to the driver attempting to pass. If there are intervening causes then negligence could be apportioned.
the same principle applies to backing. A driver backing has sole responsibility unless again some intervening cause
Most of us are use to traveling on four/six lanes and this issue is less relevant
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Carl in Tampa
05-08-2015, 01:11 PM
Hi Carl:
When on a two lane highway passing on the right is not only OK its suicide.
When passing on the left the operator must be certain the way is clear, that s/he signaled properly and appropriately made other drivers aware of their movement (horn) and that nothing will prevent s/he from overtaking vehicles headed in the same direction and retuning to their proper lane of travel . If done improperly and an accident results negligence will be assigned to the driver attempting to pass. If there are intervening causes then negligence could be apportioned.
the same principle applies to backing. A driver backing has sole responsibility unless again some intervening cause
Most of us are use to traveling on four/six lanes and this issue is less relevant
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You suggest that a driver should honk the car horn when passing? I think you have mis-read something.
Regarding passing on the right; it is legal under several conditions.
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL
View Entire Chapter
316.084 When overtaking on the right is permitted.—
(1) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(b) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
(c) Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
(2) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
History.—s. 1, ch. 71-135; s. 108, ch. 99-248.
If it were not for these provisions for passing on the right a slow moving car in the left lane could severely restrict traffic flow.
As the saying goes, get even with the Yankees; go up North and drive slowly in the left lane (with your right turn signal blinking.)
:MOJE_whot:
John_W
05-08-2015, 01:55 PM
Passing on the left would be an offense if it's a 2 lane road and you cross a double yellow line to pass, such as on St. Charles or Bailey's Trail. To pass on a two lane road legally you need to wait for the white segmented line. That's the only way I can think of it being illegal.
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