Police in Charm City

[Guest]

My question is why wasn't police procedure of seatbelting a handcuffed prisoner in the transport van instead of having him bounce and fall in the "rough ride"? That shows INTENT to injure and therefore, the cops are guilty of anywhere of assault to second degree murder. The charge of manslaughter will stick for at least one cop and assault to a couple more. The others will be fired but no jail time.

Mr. Gray's family is going to get MILLIONS of dollars, too.

[Guest]

My question is why wasn't police procedure of seatbelting a handcuffed prisoner in the transport van instead of having him bounce and fall in the "rough ride"? That shows INTENT to injure and therefore, the cops are guilty of anywhere of assault to second degree murder. The charge of manslaughter will stick for at least one cop and assault to a couple more. The others will be fired but no jail time.

Mr. Gray's family is going to get MILLIONS of dollars, too.


According to remarks made by the police chief a few days after Freddy Gray's death, the proper procedure for transporting prisoners is to place them in seat belts. He went on to say he didn't know why the procedure was not followed.

[Guest]

My question is why wasn't police procedure of seatbelting a handcuffed prisoner in the transport van instead of having him bounce and fall in the "rough ride"? That shows INTENT to injure and therefore, the cops are guilty of anywhere of assault to second degree murder. The charge of manslaughter will stick for at least one cop and assault to a couple more. The others will be fired but no jail time.

Mr. Gray's family is going to get MILLIONS of dollars, too.

Our system is so screwed up a scumbag is accidentally injured, the family sues and will get rich, the poor will get poorer, the wine and cheese liberals will feel morally superior, and our civilization continues to rot.

And, in the meantime, crime surges in Baltimore as cops understandably throttle back.

Good News: After State Attorney Charged Cops, Crime Is Surging In Baltimore - Matt Vespa (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/05/10/good-news-after-state-attorney-charged-cops-crime-is-surging-in-baltimore-n1997027)

[Guest]

Our system is so screwed up a scumbag is accidentally injured.url]


Accidentally injured? Gray was handcuffed with his hands in back of him, thrown into the paddy wagon without being buckled in (like police policy demands) and being thrown about in a 45 minute rough ride for punishment. He died of a severed spine.

Manslaughter for the driver at a minimum and prison time. The others deserve to be booted off the force.

[Guest]

The part that really gets me is how can this be a racial issue? 3 black cops, 3 white cops. Black mayor, black president. Nearly all black town. Anyway, how could any ride in the back of a van be that rough to where somebody got killed? Really fishy to me.

[Guest]

The part that really gets me is how can this be a racial issue? 3 black cops, 3 white cops. Black mayor, black president. Nearly all black town. Anyway, how could any ride in the back of a van be that rough to where somebody got killed? Really fishy to me.

The prisoner has his hands cuffed in back of him. The driver takes sharp corners on purpose throwing the cuffed prisoner all around the inside of the van.

There were two other incidents in Baltimore. One man was left a paraplegic and the other a quadriplegic. $39 Million was paid to the quadriplegic.

It is not so much about race as it is police brutality as an ingrained system in Baltimore.

[Guest]

The prisoner has his hands cuffed in back of him. The driver takes sharp corners on purpose throwing the cuffed prisoner all around the inside of the van.

There were two other incidents in Baltimore. One man was left a paraplegic and the other a quadriplegic. $39 Million was paid to the quadriplegic.

It is not so much about race as it is police brutality as an ingrained system in Baltimore.

3 gold stars for getting it. The fact FACT FACT that cops in Baltimore all seem to have been familiar with the term "rough ride" means it was a known policing tactic not something that just happened to Mr. Gray by accident. So the upper bureaucrats in the department issue a policy saying use the seatbelts and the street cops ignore it because they can, and they enjoy hearing the bodies rattle around in their wagon. No point taking Mr Gray directly from his point of arrest to the nearby precinct. No let's drive around a bunch so we can rough ride him extra long.

[Guest]

The prisoner has his hands cuffed in back of him. The driver takes sharp corners on purpose throwing the cuffed prisoner all around the inside of the van.

There were two other incidents in Baltimore. One man was left a paraplegic and the other a quadriplegic. $39 Million was paid to the quadriplegic.

It is not so much about race as it is police brutality as an ingrained system in Baltimore.
In my background the police commissioner would be held responsible if his people were not complying with SOPs.

[Guest]

In my background the police commissioner would be held responsible if his people were not complying with SOPs.

In your background, have you ever heard of the "rough ride" procedure or any other methods of "tuning up" a prisoner before taking him to the station?

Baltimore is infamous for their police tactics. This was true even when I would visit Baltimore back in the mid-60's to go to "The Block". You would be very careful not to do anything that might draw attention from a cop.

[Guest]

Accidentally injured? Gray was handcuffed with his hands in back of him, thrown into the paddy wagon without being buckled in (like police policy demands) and being thrown about in a 45 minute rough ride for punishment. He died of a severed spine.

Manslaughter for the driver at a minimum and prison time. The others deserve to be booted off the force.

Based on your response, I can only conclude that you apparently do not care one bit about what actually happens to poor black kids in the inner city. You lead the charge to in effect immobilize the police force, largely because of an innate liberal dislike for the police. I get that the cops screw up now and then, but that doesn't mean to you trash the entire force.

There've been 20+ murders of blacks by blacks in Baltimore since the Freddie Gray media outburst. No one gives a s*** including you. Hey, you're happy drinking and playing golf in TV. The police, as predicted by many, have pulled back and blacks pay the price. Same with the idiot mayor in NYC .. .murders up significantly since stop and frisk was eliminated.

You however "feel" better, even while what you advocate results in the death and destruction of neighborhoods.

[Guest]

Based on your response, I can only conclude that you apparently do not care one bit about what actually happens to poor black kids in the inner city. You lead the charge to in effect immobilize the police force, largely because of an innate liberal dislike for the police. I get that the cops screw up now and then, but that doesn't mean to you trash the entire force.

There've been 20+ murders of blacks by blacks in Baltimore since the Freddie Gray media outburst. No one gives a s*** including you. Hey, you're happy drinking and playing golf in TV. The police, as predicted by many, have pulled back and blacks pay the price. Same with the idiot mayor in NYC .. .murders up significantly since stop and frisk was eliminated.

You however "feel" better, even while what you advocate results in the death and destruction of neighborhoods.

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[Guest]

Based on your response, I can only conclude that you apparently do not care one bit about what actually happens to poor black kids in the inner city. You lead the charge to in effect immobilize the police force, largely because of an innate liberal dislike for the police. I get that the cops screw up now and then, but that doesn't mean to you trash the entire force.

There've been 20+ murders of blacks by blacks in Baltimore since the Freddie Gray media outburst. No one gives a s*** including you. Hey, you're happy drinking and playing golf in TV. The police, as predicted by many, have pulled back and blacks pay the price. Same with the idiot mayor in NYC .. .murders up significantly since stop and frisk was eliminated.

You however "feel" better, even while what you advocate results in the death and destruction of neighborhoods.

Based on your response you do not care one bit about what actually happens to poor black kids in the inner city. You lead the charge to allow police brutality to be accepted by those being policed, largely because of an innate right wing love for authority figures who persecute poor people. I get that cops are needed for a civil society but that doesn't mean that you trash those who have the courage to speak against their abuse of power.

Since the Freddie Gray death was picked up by the MSM on April 20th there have been 23 black murders in Baltimore. That is 23 too many but not different than the historical data https://data.baltimorecity.gov/Public-Safety/Total-Homicides-by-Month/uqe8-wtbv

Some people do give a ****, you're clearly one who is willing to have the Freddie Grays and all the others die as a reasonable price to keep those poor black kids in their place. If the cops pulled out, that is just a reflection of their fear to face those their comrades have abused without ramifications.
The popularly elected mayor of New York City stopped stop and frisk because he was elected to do exactly that and there is a decrease in overall crime since that policy change
New York has essentially eliminated stop-and-frisk — and crime is still down - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/03/new-york-has-essentially-eliminated-stop-and-frisk-and-crime-is-still-down/)

with an increase of 5 deaths from an historically low 2014. In fact 2014, the first year of the mayor's term and with no stop and frisk had the lowest number of murders in NYC since 1963. (Who is the idiot?)

Hope you feel better knowing that your sources (couldn't be Fox could it) have once again led you to the wrong conclusions.

[Guest]

Based on your response you do not care one bit about what actually happens to poor black kids in the inner city. You lead the charge to allow police brutality to be accepted by those being policed, largely because of an innate right wing love for authority figures who persecute poor people. I get that cops are needed for a civil society but that doesn't mean that you trash those who have the courage to speak against their abuse of power.

Since the Freddie Gray death was picked up by the MSM on April 20th there have been 23 black murders in Baltimore. That is 23 too many but not different than the historical data https://data.baltimorecity.gov/Public-Safety/Total-Homicides-by-Month/uqe8-wtbv

Some people do give a ****, you're clearly one who is willing to have the Freddie Grays and all the others die as a reasonable price to keep those poor black kids in their place. If the cops pulled out, that is just a reflection of their fear to face those their comrades have abused without ramifications.
The popularly elected mayor of New York City stopped stop and frisk because he was elected to do exactly that and there is a decrease in overall crime since that policy change
New York has essentially eliminated stop-and-frisk — and crime is still down - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/03/new-york-has-essentially-eliminated-stop-and-frisk-and-crime-is-still-down/)

with an increase of 5 deaths from an historically low 2014. In fact 2014, the first year of the mayor's term and with no stop and frisk had the lowest number of murders in NYC since 1963. (Who is the idiot?)

Hope you feel better knowing that your sources (couldn't be Fox could it) have once again led you to the wrong conclusions.

Several reactions ... one is your use of the word "comrades" (finally) gives us all a sense of your true inner self. Just making a note ...

Your feel good approach to the world, based on intentions absent results, is genuinely sick. Your programs and planation mentality (i.e. blacks are really too dumb to compete or success) is also sick, and has destroyed the black family. It is the worst bigotry of low expectations. You know, or have to know, that if a kid grows up without a father and/or the benefit of a stable family, he's pretty much doomed to a lifetime of dependency and poverty ... and will be voting democratic.

It is so much not about keeping young blacks in their place but showing them love and discipline needed to succeed. But you and your party will never do that. Plus you destroy Judeo-Christian values which makes their lot worse. Plus, you abort on demand and about 35% of ALL aborted babies are black. Has it EVER occurred to you that is RACIST as h***? You might as well line people up and pull the trigger yourself.

The reason the overall crime rate has dropped is, over the years (Giuliani, Bloomberg, demographics etc.) enforced the law. But the rate has spiked back up.

Don't argue the nits ... I want to hear you explain your benevolent slaveholder mentality and why you're perfectly peachy with keeping the same crappy programs that got the inner cities into this mess.

Tell us why a Vietnamese family can come here from a boat in the 1970s, and their kids in the middle class 20 years later. One reason ... they were spared your benevolence. It's truly all about how you and your fellow travelers "feel" about yourselves ... pathetic but predictable. It’s also inhuman.

[Guest]

Several reactions ... one is your use of the word "comrades" (finally) gives us all a sense of your true inner self. Just making a note ...

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Florida officers bike to remember fallen comrades (http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2015/04/16/officers-bike-remember-fallen-comrades-blue/25870673/)

Police old comrades association/ (http://www.wyevalley.worldonline.co.uk/)

Alliance-area police honor fallen comrades in National Police Week ceremony - Alliance Review | Stark, Portage & Mahoning, OH (http://www.the-review.com/local%20news/2014/05/13/alliance-area-police-honor-fallen-comrades-in-national-police-week-ceremony)

police officer kills 9 comrades/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/30/world/asia/afghanistan-police-attack/)

Make yourself another note, that you are so blinded by your prejudices that you can't read normal English usage without drawing conclusions that everyone who disagrees with you is either an idiot, or apparently a Communist.

[Guest]

Florida officers bike to remember fallen comrades (http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2015/04/16/officers-bike-remember-fallen-comrades-blue/25870673/)

Police old comrades association/ (http://www.wyevalley.worldonline.co.uk/)

Alliance-area police honor fallen comrades in National Police Week ceremony - Alliance Review | Stark, Portage & Mahoning, OH (http://www.the-review.com/local%20news/2014/05/13/alliance-area-police-honor-fallen-comrades-in-national-police-week-ceremony)

police officer kills 9 comrades/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/30/world/asia/afghanistan-police-attack/)

Make yourself another note, that you are so blinded by your prejudices that you can't read normal English usage without drawing conclusions that everyone who disagrees with you is either an idiot, or apparently a Communist.

Well, I note that you did not respond to the gist of my comments about your de facto racism. Hopefully you will.

But, in your case, and based on your long history of posting, I think my intuition about your unwitting use of the term comrades (in a manner that was out of normal context) is pretty much accurate in terms of your inner philosophical leanings. Probably started in your first college course in the 60s or 70s when you initially read Das Kapital or something. Can't be sure of course, but I think I'm pretty close ... which is why you react the way you do. :)

[Guest]

I tease about how boys of all ages 9 to 90 can't help but show off in front of a girl(s) I explain that boys will boast to a girl "look what I can do" and throw a fast ball or do a flip........................................

Well news people are the same and they love to show off. Unfortunately in this day and age of 24/7 they have so much of a vacuum to fill that stories that would never make it to the screen do and stories that may have been a one time entry are now repeated ad nauseam . Hyperbole is essential snow storms now are anything project over 4" and we are alerted with intrruptions in program every 15 minutes

i am so sick of the constant streaming of news 24/7 about thugs, about the Casey anthony's, the OJ's ..............you get my drift.

By distracting us with this useless information reporters are taking their eye off the ball. What is going on in Washington is more important than what is going on in Baltimore.

The IRS leadership were caught lying and withholding evidence which in itself is a felony not to forget what they were actually doing. Charges like those drove Richard Nixon from the White House in disgrace. Those responsible recognize the public has a short attention span and just staying put the issue will go away

Benghazi was a serious breach of security but Tom Brady's insecurity about losing a game demands daily headlines

Dear posters we better get our priorities straight because this country is looking like one big reality show with many culpable players and no one being punished in fact actually rewarded handsomely for their misconduct


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[Guest]

I tease about how boys of all ages 9 to 90 can't help but show off in front of a girl(s) I explain that boys will boast to a girl "look what I can do" and throw a fast ball or do a flip........................................

Well news people are the same and they love to show off. Unfortunately in this day and age of 24/7 they have so much of a vacuum to fill that stories that would never make it to the screen do and stories that may have been a one time entry are now repeated ad nauseam . Hyperbole is essential snow storms now are anything project over 4" and we are alerted with intrruptions in program every 15 minutes

i am so sick of the constant streaming of news 24/7 about thugs, about the Casey anthony's, the OJ's ..............you get my drift.

By distracting us with this useless information reporters are taking their eye off the ball. What is going on in Washington is more important than what is going on in Baltimore.

The IRS leadership were caught lying and withholding evidence which in itself is a felony not to forget what they were actually doing. Charges like those drove Richard Nixon from the White House in disgrace. Those responsible recognize the public has a short attention span and just staying put the issue will go away

Benghazi was a serious breach of security but Tom Brady's insecurity about losing a game demands daily headlines

Dear posters we better get our priorities straight because this country is looking like one big reality show with many culpable players and no one being punished in fact actually rewarded handsomely for their misconduct


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You're joking right? The party that gives us reality show candidates like Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Ben Carson now comes boohooing because they can't win presidential elections. BTW: your former presidential candidate will be in a boxing match tonight. Very presidential.

[Guest]

You're joking right? The party that gives us reality show candidates like Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Ben Carson now comes boohooing because they can't win presidential elections. BTW: your former presidential candidate will be in a boxing match tonight. Very presidential.

THIS post has NOTHING....NADA....ZIPPO to do with the post it was attached to, NOR , is it even in the proximity of the thread topic.

Are some so depraved, it does not matter what is being discussed, they just attack people who are not of their political party ?

[Guest]

You're joking right? The party that gives us reality show candidates like Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Ben Carson now comes boohooing because they can't win presidential elections. BTW: your former presidential candidate will be in a boxing match tonight. Very presidential.

Dear Guest: My apology if I was not clear. Let me try again. Essentially I am tired of the news media's habit of taking a story any story and trying to give it perpetual life. I get some people are not happy with the police but why does every incident involving the police have to be played out as if its a major story

Meantime real stories are being thrown in the trash.

How you got to Trump, Palin, Cain, Carson from my original post baffles me because it wasn't about presidential candidates it was about the ad nauseam coverage about police bias and brutality

[Guest]

Dear Guest: My apology if I was not clear. Let me try again. Essentially I am tired of the news media's habit of taking a story any story and trying to give it perpetual life. I get some people are not happy with the police but why does every incident involving the police have to be played out as if its a major story

Meantime real stories are being thrown in the trash.

How you got to Trump, Palin, Cain, Carson from my original post baffles me because it wasn't about presidential candidates it was about the ad nauseam coverage about police bias and brutality

Yes, getting back to point ...

The media's excessive frenzy about a non-existent problem (i.e. white cops "hunting" black youths etc) only causes the police to pull back, and for the crime in the inner city to get worse. In other words, more black on black crime is the result.

This perverse liberal sociology has destroyed these neighborhoods and that is the real crime. Yet no one holds liberal politicians and race hustlers (you know who) accountable. It's sick.

[Guest]

THIS post has NOTHING....NADA....ZIPPO to do with the post it was attached to, NOR , is it even in the proximity of the thread topic.

Are some so depraved, it does not matter what is being discussed, they just attack people who are not of their political party ?

Bee-eye-en-gee-oh!

[Guest]

Yes, getting back to point ...

The media's excessive frenzy about a non-existent problem (i.e. white cops "hunting" black youths etc) only causes the police to pull back, and for the crime in the inner city to get worse. In other words, more black on black crime is the result.

This perverse liberal sociology has destroyed these neighborhoods and that is the real crime. Yet no one holds liberal politicians and race hustlers (you know who) accountable. It's sick.

Same blah blah blah from the same Tea Ba--er. B O R I N G T R I P E.

[Guest]

Same blah blah blah from the same Tea Ba--er. B O R I N G T R I P E.

Same old liberal name calling and non-responsiveness to the substance. You guys really don't have an answer for how badly you've screwed up the inner city blacks' lives, and continue to make it worse ... and that's becoming increasingly apparent to all.

[Guest]

Same blah blah blah from the same Tea Ba--er. B O R I N G T R I P E.

Dear Guest: I pray this is your attempt at humor. I even will accept that your just trolling. However if neither of the aforementioned you need to research your topics more thoroughly because name calling is not an argument

Your opposing views if expressed in a cogent and respectful manner would be most welcome to broaden our horizons.


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[Guest]

Liberal Democrat party has been running Baltimore for 48 years. The Mayor appoints the head of the police department. All liberal mayors.