Pool Tables in Club Houses

[Bill2]

The brown cloth on the Pool tables is not ideal. It should be replaced with a green service cloth. Service cloth is a very durable cloth. With the brown cloth, you cannot get the action on the balls unless you shoot very hard, and then it's difficult. Something should be done about the jaws ( corners ) of the pockets. They are to restrictive. Maybe the billiard balls are not a good enough quality to get the proper action. Being there will be work done on the tables, have it done right.

[mulligan]

Offer your suggestions to the district administrators. Maybe the national title holders that live and play and teach in TV never thought to mention the defects.

[billlaur]

ALL the pool tables in the rec centers are covered with Simonis cloth,this is the top of the line. Comes in various colors ,colors do not impact the roll the balls..The pockets width is concerning, aggravating most of the time, has to do with the cut of the pockets.These are really recreational tables..
the rec. dept are fully aware of the situation but have to appeal to the masses and the décor of the rec center...:cus:.

[grayesun]

The brown cloth on the Pool tables is not ideal. It should be replaced with a green service cloth. Service cloth is a very durable cloth. With the brown cloth, you cannot get the action on the balls unless you shoot very hard, and then it's difficult. Something should be done about the jaws ( corners ) of the pockets. They are to restrictive. Maybe the billiard balls are not a good enough quality to get the proper action. Being there will be work done on the tables, have it done right.

Any color table top would be fine up here in the new recreation centers (VRC's) above 466 at Tierra or El Santiago...in fact just a couple of tables in either of them would be outstanding.

[Topspinmo]

The brown cloth on the Pool tables is not ideal. It should be replaced with a green service cloth. Service cloth is a very durable cloth. With the brown cloth, you cannot get the action on the balls unless you shoot very hard, and then it's difficult. Something should be done about the jaws ( corners ) of the pockets. They are to restrictive. Maybe the billiard balls are not a good enough quality to get the proper action. Being there will be work done on the tables, have it done right.

Try playing on the snooker tables for while! Then go back to the nice 8 ball tables, you will find them much more playable and the pockets very loose! :popcorn:

[billlaur]

you are a funny guy:pepper2:

[Buckeye Bob]

Simonis cloth is as good as it gets. The best color in my opinion is what is called "tournament blue"; the balls show up so much better on that color.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When the tables at La Hacienda were being recovered a man that I know who spent his life setting up and servicing pool tables met with the rec department people and showed them exactly what had to be done. I believe that he also offered to do the work at no cost.

He was told that these are only recreational tables and that it's not necessary to have them perfect.

The best tables in The Villages, by the way, are the old crappy looking tables at the Silver Lake Rec Center.

And I agree that the color of the cloth has nothing to do with anything. Excellent billiard table cloth is available in many colors.

And as far a snooker tables go, yes, the pockets are smaller, but so are the balls. Also the corners of the pockets are rounded making the pockets more forgiving.

[twoplanekid]

From the May 14th, 2015 meeting of the Sumter Landing CDD which lasted all of 4 minutes. One of the items covered was ->


ISSUE:The review and approval of the award of Invitation to Bid (ITB) #15B-027 Billiard/Pool/Snooker
Table Recovering Services.
ANALYSIS/INFORMATION:
On Monday, April 6, 2015, staff issued Invitation to Bid #15B-027 - Billiard/Pool/Snooker Table Recovering Services. One (1) contractor responded, Florida Billiard Gameroom Store, Inc. and was determined to be the lowest most responsible and responsive bidder, at a per table cost of $450.00 for the Proline, Olhausen and Gandy tables and a per table cost of $540.00 for the Snooker tables (Exhibit A.)
All 127 tables are located at various locations throughout the Districts. This pricing includes all labor, materials, tools, and other elements necessary for provision of this service on an as needed basis.

As provided for in the Bid documents, the cost submitted by Florida Billiard Gameroom Store, Inc. is to remain in full force for an initial term of two (2) years, beginning October 1, 2015, with a renewal option for one additional one year if agreed to by both parties.

BUDGET IMPACT: Funds will be budgeted, for this as needed service, beginning with the 2015-2016 fiscal year.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION:Staff recommends the Award of ITB #15B-027-Billiard/Pool/Snooker Table Recovering Services, to Florida Billiard Gameroom Store, Inc., at the as needed pricing of $450 or $540 per type of table as bid.

MOTION:Motion to award ITB #15B-027 to Florida Billiard Gameroom Store, Inc., for Billiard/Pool/Snooker Table Recovering Services, on as needed basis and at the as needed pricing of $450 or $540 per type of table, and authorize the Chairman/Vice Chairman to sign the Agreement.

Grand total of $57,330.00

[billlaur]

What we need is a different mfg.,Brunswick or Diamond Tables,thats the only solution to this problem.:clap2:

[graciegirl]

I think there should be easels provided for use in all art rooms.

No I don't.

[MrGolf]

Are there any snooker tables anywhere in The Villages? I miss that game and have not come across it in some time

[CassieInVa]

Isn't this price to refelt per table almost double the average cost? I just researched briefly. And why only 1 bid? This doesn't sound on the up and up. Plenty of companies in Orlando would love to get the business. Anyone have any insight?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Are there any snooker tables anywhere in The Villages? I miss that game and have not come across it in some time

There was one at the Paradise Rec Center but it was removed in the renovation to make room for an expanded card room.

[Jazzper]

There was one at the Paradise Rec Center but it was removed in the renovation to make room for an expanded card room.

The 10' one that was previously at Silver Lake (not Paradise) Rec Center was moved to Chula Vista as part of their remodeling. There is a 12' one at Sterling Heights -- good luck with the lighting there though!

[Bruiser1]

Isn't this price to refelt per table almost double the average cost? I just researched briefly. And why only 1 bid? This doesn't sound on the up and up. Plenty of companies in Orlando would love to get the business. Anyone have any insight?

Regarding the previous discussions:

Truman (like the others) had its table recovered only to find a gash in the middle of the table with in weeks. (keep in mind the VARIETY of users at the rec centers- compared to controlled environment such as your house etc.

The do vary in playability Canal street rec center has different play than others.

All in all there is ample variety and billiards availability to be utilized .

[billlaur]

thet are all the same ,some a little less annoyiny than others ,but all in all they are very bad tables...

[graciegirl]

thet are all the same ,some a little less annoyiny than others ,but all in all they are very bad tables...

Is there room in your home or garage for a nice pool table?

[dbussone]

thet are all the same ,some a little less annoyiny than others ,but all in all they are very bad tables...


I've played seldom since prep school and only 3 times since I moved to TV. Since I'm not Fats Domino, or whoever that was, and neither are those who play billiards here, should we really be this fussy? If so, I would expect those special folks to pay for whatever they need. If you disagree please explain why TV shouldn't purchase a nice M-B S550 for me.

[billlaur]

That's Minnesota fats,and there are a few players of his caliber here,he was not a great player rather than a good showman..Since you are not a player you really cant know the difference between mfgs.:blahblahblah:

[dbussone]

That's Minnesota fats,and there are a few players of his caliber here,he was not a great player rather than a good showman..Since you are not a player you really cant know the difference between mfgs.:blahblahblah:


True. But I understand folks who expect to be provided more than the usual when others are paying for it.

[tomwed]

I've played seldom since prep school and only 3 times since I moved to TV. Since I'm not Fats Domino, or whoever that was, and neither are those who play billiards here, should we really be this fussy? If so, I would expect those special folks to pay for whatever they need. If you disagree please explain why TV shouldn't purchase a nice M-B S550 for me.
Fats Domino was an expert domino player. Are there any good domino tables in The Villages?

[dbussone]

Fats Domino was an expert domino player. Are there any good domino tables in The Villages?


Tom - that's a good question. I don't know but I'm sure we have the right to demand one to our liking. Also I'm thinking that I want all pools filled with Poland Spring water. Would you agree?

[tomwed]

Tom - that's a good question. I don't know but I'm sure we have the right to demand one to our liking. Also I'm thinking that I want all pools filled with Poland Spring water. Would you agree?
That depends. Is that your table theory? This comes up periodically. Or your domino theory?

[dbussone]

That depends. Is that your table theory? This comes up periodically. Or your domino theory?


Pool theory.

[Topspinmo]

What he saying is pick the worse golf course and this be the standard for all gold courses. If you don't play pool at high level or play at all you really shouldn't be commenting or making your opinion on nothing you have clue about.

I find the tables well balanced, good cloth and Tight pockets. Even tighter on the snooker tables. For the novice, average, above average pool player (compared to 2 or 3 handicap golfer) these tables are challenging. Kinda like playing golf course with narrow fairways, lots of bunkers, and slopping green and you wonder why you can't score below 90? Now do you know what he trying to say. :popcorn:

[graciegirl]

What he saying is pick the worse golf course and this be the standard for all gold courses. If you don't play pool at high level or play at all you really shouldn't be commenting or making your opinion on nothing you have clue about.

I find the tables well balanced, good cloth and Tight pockets. Even tighter on the snooker tables. For the novice, average, above average pool player (compared to 2 or 3 handicap golfer) these tables are challenging. Kinda like playing golf course with narrow fairways, lots of bunkers, and slopping green and you wonder why you can't score below 90? Now do you know what he trying to say. :popcorn:

Boy Howdy. We got trouble right here in river city.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=there's+trouble+in+river+city&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=27EE59ABE961567DDDF127EE59ABE961567DDDF1

[dbussone]

What he saying is pick the worse golf course and this be the standard for all gold courses. If you don't play pool at high level or play at all you really shouldn't be commenting or making your opinion on nothing you have clue about.

I find the tables well balanced, good cloth and Tight pockets. Even tighter on the snooker tables. For the novice, average, above average pool player (compared to 2 or 3 handicap golfer) these tables are challenging. Kinda like playing golf course with narrow fairways, lots of bunkers, and slopping green and you wonder why you can't score below 90? Now do you know what he trying to say. :popcorn:

You missed my point. I understand perfectly what he was saying. And the extension of it is that TV needs to supply better tables. Better tables cost more money. I'm opposed to spending more money when the tables are adequate for the average user. I'm an average golfer, there are many that are better, but I have never heard anyone say that all the courses need to be as good as TPC courses. Now do you know what I'm saying?

[billlaur]

Better tables do not cost more money ,it has been documented that better equipment will cost less..villages pay top dollar for these poorly made tables..
All this has been expose to the rec. dept.all they care about is the Decor of the rooms...
Lighting is terrible in most of the rooms..:spoken:

[graciegirl]

Better tables do not cost more money ,it has been documented that better equipment will cost less..villages pay top dollar for these poorly made tables..
All this has been expose to the rec. dept.all they care about is the Decor of the rooms...
Lighting is terrible in most of the rooms..:spoken:



If you think that the free equipment isn't up to par, buy one you like for your house.

Why should the majority pay for the needs of the minority.

We don't have pencil sharpener's in any of the art rooms. It would never occur to me to complain or lobby for change.

[Topspinmo]

You missed my point. I understand perfectly what he was saying. And the extension of it is that TV needs to supply better tables. Better tables cost more money. I'm opposed to spending more money when the tables are adequate for the average user. I'm an average golfer, there are many that are better, but I have never heard anyone say that all the courses need to be as good as TPC courses. Now do you know what I'm saying?

I got it and agree, I find it hard to play in these table, but it don't cost me other than my amenities fees, so I have no complaints. These tables only make my game better in the long run do to you have to be near prefect on every shot.

Kinda like comparing Chula Vista (the short big pocket bar table) golf course to Lopez ( the 9 foot regulation table).

[graciegirl]

Seems like the rec department tries to make things nice for everybody.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/pool-tables-villages-rec-centers-18851/

[Villager Joyce]

If you don't play pool at high level or play at all you really shouldn't be commenting or making your opinion on nothing you have clue about. :

Does this rule apply only to playing pool or every subject discussed on TOTV?

[justjim]

That's Minnesota fats,and there are a few players of his caliber here,he was not a great player rather than a good showman..Since you are not a player you really cant know the difference between mfgs.:blahblahblah:

Okay Minnesota Fats, born and raised in Dowell, IL (about 75 miles north of Paducah, Ky.) and 25 miles (more or less) from my hometown. He was featured in the "Hustler" and played by Jackie Gleason. It's a classic.

The Villages most knowledgable four or five players might want to get together with the Recration Department and make some suggestions mentioned in this Thread. From what I hear----they will be happy to work with you. :)

[billlaur]

these tables do not make you play better,actually they are a hindrance to you game.If the hole on the green is 2 in. that should make you play better,right..:bigbow:

[dbussone]

I got it and agree, I find it hard to play in these table, but it don't cost me other than my amenities fees, so I have no complaints. These tables only make my game better in the long run do to you have to be near prefect on every shot.



Kinda like comparing Chula Vista (the short big pocket bar table) golf course to Lopez ( the 9 foot regulation table).


Ok. Good analogy. I understand.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=justjim;1066307]Okay Minnesota Fats, born and raised in Dowell, IL (about 75 miles north of Paducah, Ky.) and 25 miles (more or less) from my hometown. He was featured in the "Hustler" and played by Jackie Gleason. It's a classic.


New York Fats. born in New York City. He has taken several tag names until the movie came out. Took the name Minnesota Fats after the movie starring Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason came out.

Here some truths about Minnesota Fats. I don't think anybody knows the hole truth.

Rudolf Wanderone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Wanderone)

[dbussone]

[QUOTE=justjim;1066307]Okay Minnesota Fats, born and raised in Dowell, IL (about 75 miles north of Paducah, Ky.) and 25 miles (more or less) from my hometown. He was featured in the "Hustler" and played by Jackie Gleason. It's a classic.


New York Fats. born in New York City. He has taken several tag names until the movie came out. Took the name Minnesota Fats after the movie starring Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason came out.

Here some truths about Minnesota Fats. I don't think anybody knows the hole truth.

Rudolf Wanderone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Wanderone)

Interesting. Thanks for the link.

[billlaur]

Gracie your missing the whole point as usual...:ohdear:

[graciegirl]

Gracie your missing the whole point as usual...:ohdear:



I could be. I understand you to say that you are not happy with the pool tables. I also think that they are north of 466 where some kind of process occurs that involves the folks who live there, which is different than how things work south of 466. You think that too much money is being spent on an inferior product to repair the pool tables. I get that you are an EXCELLENT pool player and are far more aware what is superior in a pool table and lighting.

You think that less money could have been spent to get a better product on the pool table(s) of which you speak. You also favor another brand name for the tables which you find inferior. You say that the lighting is not good and more importance has been placed on how the lighting fits into the room than on it's functionality.

Please feel free to point out my most major misconceptions.

I am not much of a pool player but did own a pool table for years and watched a lot of pool being played at it. None of my friends are excellent pool players but I am married to a pretty decent golfer who never complains about the courses here and he has played on some courses of merit throughout the world.

[billlaur]

You hit the nail on the head.im very impressed.But the story goes on,better equip. can be purchased at lower cost,but due to contractual agreements things will remain the same.This was brought up 3 yrs. ago and they voted to stay with the same contractor.
So you are spot on, may you get all the rolls Gracie...:bigbow: