Limit to guest stay?

[Jima64]

Curious if there is a limit to how long a grandchild can visit or how many nights an adult can stay?

[jblum315]

30 days total per year for grandchild. No limit on guests over age 19, but I don't know how long their guest passes can be (for pools etc.)

[redwitch]

If over 19, as long as you can tolerate them. If under 19, 30 days total for the year.

[Greg Nelson]

who checks up on this???

[Cobh521]

30 days total per year for grandchild. No limit on guests over age 19, but I don't know how long their guest passes can be (for pools etc.)

The guest pass would need to be renewed every 30 days

[Bitsee]

The number of young adults and grandchildren living in The Villages is growing at an alarming rate. The school buses come into some of the areas in here to pick up children that live permanently with Grandma and Grandpa.I believe that nobody really checks up on this , therefor this so called 55+ community may soon become a myth.

[redwitch]

who checks up on this???

It's in the computer once you get guest passes. However, if no guest passes are issued, then it becomes one of those things that is complaint driven.

[virgind]

Why get a guest pass not needed

[MarkinMd]

If over 19, as long as you can tolerate them. If under 19, 30 days total for the year.

That is so funny.

[Greg Nelson]

So I'd guess that like 'gated community' it is a myth. Last winter I was never askedto show my guest pass

[Bogie Shooter]

All information can be found here;

http://districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/Guest%20ID%20Policy.pdf

Guest ID cards are issued for a guest (s) whose current residence is outside
Lake, Marion and Sumter counties for up to 30 days from the issue date. Guest
ID card renewals may be requested after the 30th day for an additional 30 days
and renewals may continue to be issued every 30 days.
The In-Area Guest ID card for qualified family members is valid for one (1) year
from date of issuance.

[graciegirl]

The number of young adults and grandchildren living in The Villages is growing at an alarming rate. The school buses come into some of the areas in here to pick up children that live permanently with Grandma and Grandpa.I believe that nobody really checks up on this , therefor this so called 55+ community may soon become a myth.

I think most people would wonder where exactly you mean? I have never seen a school bus around here in The Villages anywhere except on main arteries like 466, 441/27 or 466A..

I respectfully say that I think your post is a gross exaggeration.

[Sandtrap328]

I would be willing to bet a Coca-Cola that if someone had grandkids living with them in The Villages that someone would quickly make a call to the Compliance Department.

Just look at the number of complaints have been generated for lawn decorations!

There would a literal uproar over live-in kids.

[champion6]

<snip> The school buses come into some of the areas in here to pick up children that live permanently with Grandma and Grandpa. <snip>I don't believe this to be true. Where are the "areas in here"? What villages or streets are you referring to? Maybe the the non-age restricted, family friendly areas that are adjacent to The Villages?

[keithwand]

As long as 1 roll of toilet paper lasts.

[Villager Joyce]

I have a plaque that says: Family and fish start to smell after three days.

[justjim]

So I'd guess that like 'gated community' it is a myth. Last winter I was never askedto show my guest pass

I guess you didn't play golf or go to a pool. :)

[perrjojo]

I guess you didn't play golf or go to a pool. :)a

Or go into a rec center, or take a class.

[wudda1955]

The Villages is not a gated community. It's a community with gates, which means anyone can come and go as they please. You will be asked for an i.d. if you use the pools, the rec centers, playing golf, etc.

School buses in The Villages? Like Gracie, I've never seen one here, except on the main roads. Or in front of the schools.

[njbchbum]

I think most people would wonder where exactly you mean? I have never seen a school bus around here in The Villages anywhere except on main arteries like 466, 441/27 or 466A..

I respectfully say that I think your post is a gross exaggeration.

I would be willing to bet a Coca-Cola that if someone had grandkids living with them in The Villages that someone would quickly make a call to the Compliance Department.

Just look at the number of complaints have been generated for lawn decorations!

There would a literal uproar over live-in kids.

I don't believe this to be true. Where are the "areas in here"? What villages or streets are you referring to? Maybe the the non-age restricted, family friendly areas that are adjacent to The Villages?

The Villages is not a gated community. It's a community with gates, which means anyone can come and go as they please. You will be asked for an i.d. if you use the pools, the rec centers, playing golf, etc.

School buses in The Villages? Like Gracie, I've never seen one here, except on the main roads. Or in front of the schools.


Please allow me to jog Saturday morning memories with this old thread:
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/school-kids-being-picked-up-silver-lake-124516/

[Bogie Shooter]

That old thread even after 87 posts it was never actually determined what was going on.......................

[redwitch]

That old thread even after 87 posts it was never actually determined what was going on.......................

.........and the buses never came into The Villages, just a street near a gate but definitely outside of TV.

[Greg Nelson]

I guess you didn't play golf or go to a pool. :)
I did both and yes golf required me to show my
card, but NEVER at the pool. I went there 3-4 times a week...water classes

[MikeV]

I did both and yes golf required me to show my
card, but NEVER at the pool. I went there 3-4 times a week...water classes

If you are in the water when a check for ID's is done you will not be asked to exit the pool and show an ID.

[Greg Nelson]

Actually I asked several times at Mulberry pool and was told not to worry about it...classes were very good..

[JoMar]

Our guests were asked at the pool.....once.

[CFrance]

Actually I asked several times at Mulberry pool and was told not to worry about it...classes were very good..
Is Mulberry a sports pool? If not, you were taking an unapproved, non-TV-sanctioned class started by a neighbor, and once in the water, you were not made to get out and show your ID.

If Mulberry is a sports pool, then you should have been made to show your ID at the door. If you weren't, some employee was not doing his job.

[Greg Nelson]

Mulberry is a big deep pool. The classes including agua zumba were professionally run. I did see workers moving the lanes but never once was I asked for my card. I did have it with me however.

[CFrance]

Mulberry is a big deep pool. The classes including agua zumba were professionally run. I did see workers moving the lanes but never once was I asked for my card. I did have it with me however.
So, did you have a regular ID, or a guest pass? Because if you just had a guest pass, you weren't allowed into a sports pool period, for any reason. I think you just got lucky. I'd stick with Mulberry if you come back, because everyplace else checks IDs.

[Go-Bucks!]

So, did you have a regular ID, or a guest pass? Because if you just had a guest pass, you weren't allowed into a sports pool period, for any reason. I think you just got lucky. I'd stick with Mulberry if you come back, because everyplace else checks IDs.

My adult daughter and I were there a couple weeks ago on the LPP. We joined a water aerobics class at a sports pool (I think it was the Savannah Regional Rec Center) and no one asked us for an ID. My sales rep said that we were allowed to join any class or actitity with our guest pass. We went to our closest neighborhood pool 3 times and no one was there to check passes either.

BTW . . . we loved the pools, classes and all the rest of the fun we had! :coolsmiley:

[CFrance]

My adult daughter and I were there a couple weeks ago on the LPP. We joined a water aerobics class at a sports pool (I think it was the Savannah Regional Rec Center) and no one asked us for an ID. My sales rep said that we were allowed to join any class or actitity with our guest pass. We went to our closest neighborhood pool 3 times and no one was there to check passes either.

BTW . . . we loved the pools, classes and all the rest of the fun we had! :coolsmiley:
You were probably legal due to the lifestyle visit. Still, it's another case of TV not enforcing its own rules not to check for IDs.

But I'm glad you enjoyed yourself! Hope you found TV to be a place you would like.:)

[Mleeja]

I have a plaque that says: Family and fish start to smell after three days.

Where can I fond one of those plaques?!?!

[Schaumburger]

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Or go into a rec center, or take a class.

During my visits to The Villages, I was asked several times for my guest pass at the pools and every time I took a class at the rec. centers. And I was happy to show my guest pass!

[dirtbanker]

Our adult pool has a wet T shirt contest at 4pm on Fridays, I do not remember them asking for ID's...After the contest everyone heads to the square for more drinks and dancing, it is a great way to start the weekend.

[texasfal]

I have friends who have had their granddaughter live with them for 2 years. They live in a villa close to Mallory. They are glad most of the owners in their village are snowbirds so there has not been a complaint yet. The granddaughter was 2 when she came to live with them.

[Topspinmo]

Our adult pool has a wet T shirt contest at 4pm on Fridays, I do not remember them asking for ID's...After the contest everyone heads to the square for more drinks and dancing, it is a great way to start the weekend.

Some times I am glad I can't find my glasses:beer3:

[NYGUY]

Our adult pool has a wet T shirt contest at 4pm on Fridays....

:1rotfl:...A wet T Shirt contest for the over 55 set....too funny!!

[SALYBOW]

So I'd guess that like 'gated community' it is a myth. Last winter I was never askedto show my guest pass

We need to show our passes for water aerobics quite a lot. I have been carded in regular pools as well.

[asianthree]

Our guests were asked at the pool.....once.

I used to get asked at least 3 times a week. It now sits on a table next to me propped up in a folder. Problem solved

[Bogie Shooter]

I have friends who have had their granddaughter live with them for 2 years. They live in a villa close to Mallory. They are glad most of the owners in their village are snowbirds so there has not been a complaint yet. The granddaughter was 2 when she came to live with them.

What makes them so privileged?

[Villager Joyce]

Where can I fond one of those plaques?!?!

I don't know. Funny thing it was given to me by my sister Who stayed for two weeks last Christmas.

[texasfal]

Bogie I have no idea what makes my friends special except they are nice people and they saved the child from a very bad situation. They live in fear of some one complaining and they'd have to move.

[Bogie Shooter]

Bogie I have no idea what makes my friends special except they are nice people and they saved the child from a very bad situation. They live in fear of some one complaining and they'd have to move.

What a way to have to live............
Rules are rules.

[Schaumburger]

I have friends who have had their granddaughter live with them for 2 years. They live in a villa close to Mallory. They are glad most of the owners in their village are snowbirds so there has not been a complaint yet. The granddaughter was 2 when she came to live with them.

I am not a resident of The Villages, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but I hope your friends have a plan B, as their four year old granddaughter will need to start school in the next year or two. They must realize that this situation will need to be addressed eventually.

[Bizdoc]

Bogie I have no idea what makes my friends special except they are nice people and they saved the child from a very bad situation. They live in fear of some one complaining and they'd have to move.

So, let me understand this. Everyone should follow the rules *except your friends*?

Yeah, really nice.

[texasfal]

I didn't say they were right, I only pointed out that there are people outside the rules. Do I agree with them - no, do I understand they didn't want their granddaughter to be involved in a do estimate violence situation - yes.

[TheVillageChicken]

I think most people would wonder where exactly you mean? I have never seen a school bus around here in The Villages anywhere except on main arteries like 466, 441/27 or 466A..

I respectfully say that I think your post is a gross exaggeration.

I frequently see one on BV and El Camino Real. I have always assumed that it is cutting through TV to get to 441.

[Country Dreamer]

Bogie I have no idea what makes my friends special except they are nice people and they saved the child from a very bad situation. They live in fear of some one complaining and they'd have to move.

I know villages have different covenants, but I do remember reading that the no children under 19 rule living permanently in The Villages can be waived due to extenuating circumstances. This may be such a situation.

[Miles42]

I haven't seen this Phantom school bus stop either.

[Bizdoc]

I know villages have different covenants, but I do remember reading that the no children under 19 rule living permanently in The Villages can be waived due to extenuating circumstances. This may be such a situation.

Not true. If it were, we'd be over run by "extenuating circumstances..." The last person who took this to court was reminded that they had signed a statement at closing about the covenants - end of story.

[Greg Nelson]

We'll be back for Nov/Dec with a resident ID...can't believe it is 32F this morning in Minnesota..ugh

[Bogie Shooter]

I know villages have different covenants, but I do remember reading that the no children under 19 rule living permanently in The Villages can be waived due to extenuating circumstances. This may be such a situation.

Where did you read that?

[graciegirl]

Where did you read that?

Bizdoc just offered some important information about this being challenged. Now I can't find it.

It is a deed restriction to not have children under the age of 19 live here for more than 30 days in a year.

Homes are not difficult to sell here in TV if they are offered for a fair price. People can rent out their homes. People can move nearby and when circumstances change they can return if they want to. There is always a way to do what the rules say.

There have been past discussions of grandchildren of deployed service people and children of parents who have had them removed from their custody and of other terrible situations.

[Sandtrap328]

Bizdoc just offered some important information about this being challenged. Now I can't find it.

It is a deed restriction to not have children under the age of 19 live here for more than 30 days in a year.

Homes are not difficult to sell here in TV if they are offered for a fair price. People can rent out their homes. People can move nearby and when circumstances change they can return if they want to. There is always a way to do what the rules say.

There have been past discussions of grandchildren of deployed service people and children of parents who have had them removed from their custody and of other terrible situations.

This is absolutely true that there is always a way to comply with the rules. All complaints to Deeds and Covenants are complaint driven, as we all know. I think it would be a lot tougher to "drop a dime" on grandparents who are doing a good thing than to make a call about pink plastic flamingos in the front yard. (Glad no one has called about my flamingos yet).

[Bizdoc]

This is absolutely true that there is always a way to comply with the rules. All complaints to Deeds and Covenants are complaint driven, as we all know. I think it would be a lot tougher to "drop a dime" on grandparents who are doing a good thing than to make a call about pink plastic flamingos in the front yard. (Glad no one has called about my flamingos yet).

I would drop the dime in a heart beat. If the choice is to have the grandkid(s), move to a family neighborhood.

There are very good reasons for the restrictive covenants. If you decide to "let it slide" because, well, you want to, you will find out that once you stop enforcing them, you soon can't enforce any. Want to allow kids? How about home businesses, cars under repair in driveways, large families, etc. Take a good look at what happened to some of the early 55+ communities (especially in the southwest) which started to make all kinds of excepts.

[CFrance]

I would drop the dime in a heart beat. If the choice is to have the grandkid(s), move to a family neighborhood.

There are very good reasons for the restrictive covenants. If you decide to "let it slide" because, well, you want to, you will find out that once you stop enforcing them, you soon can't enforce any. Want to allow kids? How about home businesses, cars under repair in driveways, large families, etc. Take a good look at what happened to some of the early 55+ communities (especially in the southwest) which started to make all kinds of excepts.
I disagree with you. The theory that a rule will become non-enforceable unless strictly applied doesn't seem to be the case here in TV, because the only way the rule will be enforced is if a complaint is made. So every rule will be enforced if there is a complaint. And no rule will go away if there is no complaint.

[graciegirl]

I disagree with you. The theory that a rule will become non-enforceable unless strictly applied doesn't seem to be the case here in TV, because the only way the rule will be enforced is if a complaint is made. So every rule will be enforced if there is a complaint. And no rule will go away if there is no complaint.

I think that when a place is advertised as not having children living there that it is a realistic expectation to have just that; a community designed and geared for older people who have no children. When there is a rule, no matter what heart breaking conditions occur, everyone should be expected to follow the rule.

It is not impossible to do so, but may be difficult. I am discouraged when a few expect for the majority to bend to their need.

Don't any of you start with anything that remotely sounds like "old children haters" because I am very sure that isn't the case at all for most Villagers.

I think most of us love little ones, but no longer want to worry about them and their safety.

[TrudyM]

I seem to remember a couple of years ago on this forum a person posted that they got extended permission for their grandchild to stay for 90 days as their parent was serving in Iraq and that when that parent was killed they had to move to a family village. The discussion was how they could continue to attend the classes etc that they loved and they were advised by all you wise people to buy an inexpensive patio home or manufactured home and rent it out with guest passes only leaving the regular passes for themselves.

[Bizdoc]

I think that when a place is advertised as not having children living there that it is a realistic expectation to have just that; a community designed and geared for older people who have no children. When there is a rule, no matter what heart breaking conditions occur, everyone should be expected to follow the rule.

It is not impossible to do so, but may be difficult. I am discouraged when a few expect for the majority to bend to their need.

Don't any of you start with anything that remotely sounds like "old children haters" because I am very sure that isn't the case at all for most Villagers.

I think most of us love little ones, but no longer want to worry about them and their safety.

Gracie:

As usual, you have found a way to say much more tactfully than I what needed to be said. Thank you.

[Bizdoc]

I seem to remember a couple of years ago on this forum a person posted that they got extended permission for their grandchild to stay for 90 days as their parent was serving in Iraq and that when that parent was killed they had to move to a family village. The discussion was how they could continue to attend the classes etc that they loved and they were advised by all you wise people to buy an inexpensive patio home or manufactured home and rent it out with guest passes only leaving the regular passes for themselves.

Good suggestion.

[CFrance]

I think that when a place is advertised as not having children living there that it is a realistic expectation to have just that; a community designed and geared for older people who have no children. When there is a rule, no matter what heart breaking conditions occur, everyone should be expected to follow the rule.

It is not impossible to do so, but may be difficult. I am discouraged when a few expect for the majority to bend to their need.

Don't any of you start with anything that remotely sounds like "old children haters" because I am very sure that isn't the case at all for most Villagers.

I think most of us love little ones, but no longer want to worry about them and their safety.
If you really feel that way, then do you not agree that TV should accept the responsibility to enforce the rules it has put in place? TV should be the one to tell these people to leave, not the general public.

[graciegirl]

If you really feel that way, then do you not agree that TV should accept the responsibility to enforce the rules it has put in place? TV should be the one to tell these people to leave, not the general public.

That is not how they work C. They just are not heavy handed.

I think children will be reported if children are bothering people or making their presence felt. Homes may have children in them, but if they aren't being a problem, who knows that? After a while, it just wouldn't be fair to the little ones to not be allowed to move about in their neighborhood and their driveways and ride their bikes.

I believe that most people are responsible.

[redwitch]

Kids can be relatively hidden from community watch, unlike lawn ornaments. If the neighbors don't report a child, the odds are TV would have no clue it is there. So, it is up to the neighborhood. There might be a lot of sympathy for the grandparents, the child may be very quiet and adorable, no one wants to be the curmudgeon.

I do know of other instances where kids have lived with grandparents. One until their house here sold. Another until their mother got back from Afghanistan. Not legally right, but their neighborhoods felt it was morally right, I guess. Neither was a permanent situation. The situation here sounds like it is pretty permanent. Going to school would be a non-issue -- the local schools only care that the child reside in the school district, not if the child resides in a retirement community.

[CFrance]

That is not how they work C. They just are not heavy handed.

I think children will be reported if children are bothering people or making their presence felt. Homes may have children in them, but if they aren't being a problem, who knows that? After a while, it just wouldn't be fair to the little ones to not be allowed to move about in their neighborhood and their driveways and ride their bikes.

I believe that most people are responsible.
I think if you look back at your last post, you will find that you are contradicting yourself. In one you say there are rules, and expectations that there will be no children. In another you say they will not enforce those rules, and that's not how it's done. I'm not asking how it is done. I'm asking how you think it should be done.

It's not the "most people who are responsible" that are causing the problem. It's the rule breakers.

I feel sorry for this little child, and I would not turn the grandparents in. But I feel it is the developer's responsibility to uphold the rules, and just as you said, the expectation is no children. Why should we the responsible people be the ogres?

And please don't tell me it is what it is, because I am in a TERRIBLE mood.
:grumpy:

[NIPAS K-9]

:BigApplause:As long as 1 roll of toilet paper lasts.

[graciegirl]

I think if you look back at your last post, you will find that you are contradicting yourself. In one you say there are rules, and expectations that there will be no children. In another you say they will not enforce those rules, and that's not how it's done. I'm not asking how it is done. I'm asking how you think it should be done.

It's not the "most people who are responsible" that are causing the problem. It's the rule breakers.

I feel sorry for this little child, and I would not turn the grandparents in. But I feel it is the developer's responsibility to uphold the rules, and just as you said, the expectation is no children. Why should we the responsible people be the ogres?

And please don't tell me it is what it is, because I am in a TERRIBLE mood.
:grumpy:

Me too. I feel all down for some reason. I know I contradicted myself but I am a girl. Well an old woman then.

[CFrance]

Me too. I feel all down for some reason. I know I contradicted myself but I am a girl. Well an old woman then.
No, you are a gem!

[Bizdoc]

I guess from the comments that *The Developer* should start doing monthly inspections of each person's home for activities contrary to the restrictive covenants...

On a more serious note, did you not know that the restrictive covenants come with your property? Did someone else sign the required statement about them at closing? Did you feel that you could later "pick and choose" what you would follow?

Haven't you quite gotten it that we are all (collectively) The Villages? Whenever people don't like something that The Developer has done, they jump up and down and cry and carry on about The Developer didn't ask them first. When it comes to acting responsibly, they duck and mumble "The Developer should take care of these things".

And I'm not even gonna comment about what horrible covenant violations people *are* willing to report their neighbors for, like lawn ornaments or messy landscaping. Then when a significant one comes up, people get all "but I don't want to be the nasty person here - the developer should be the bad guy so that I can keep saying fiddle-dee-dee and ignoring it because it is something they can picture themselves doing".

[dirtbanker]

It would be better for the kid if someone did turn them in. What child would benefit living in an environment where there are no other children to interact with? What child would prosper in an environment living in fear of being discovered by the development they are living in? The Grandparents are thinking of themselves and not thinking of the child in this situation.

These people are not trapped, they have choices, one would be to sell the house and move to a kid friendly neighborhood. Another would be find a relative that does not live in a community with "no kids" covenants and move the child there.

Yes, life has dealt them something they did not plan for, now make the right decisions and move on for the betterment of everyone involved (the grandchild, the grandparents, and the neighbors).

[pbkmaine]

I, for one, would make exceptions for children whose parents are on deployment and children who would otherwise go into foster care.

[CFrance]

I guess from the comments that *The Developer* should start doing monthly inspections of each person's home for activities contrary to the restrictive covenants...

On a more serious note, did you not know that the restrictive covenants come with your property? Did someone else sign the required statement about them at closing? Did you feel that you could later "pick and choose" what you would follow?

Haven't you quite gotten it that we are all (collectively) The Villages? Whenever people don't like something that The Developer has done, they jump up and down and cry and carry on about The Developer didn't ask them first. When it comes to acting responsibly, they duck and mumble "The Developer should take care of these things".

And I'm not even gonna comment about what horrible covenant violations people *are* willing to report their neighbors for, like lawn ornaments or messy landscaping. Then when a significant one comes up, people get all "but I don't want to be the nasty person here - the developer should be the bad guy so that I can keep saying fiddle-dee-dee and ignoring it because it is something they can picture themselves doing".
I certainly wish my life were as cut-and-dried, black-and-white as yours. And that no emergencies ever, ever happened, no child was "left behind," and I had enough handy $ to rectify the unforeseen situation if it arose.

Nobody even knows the whole situation. Maybe it's temporary. So yeah, if the developers cannot figure out a way to do their own rule checking, the problem's on them. Perhaps Kid Detectors at every gate.

[Greg Nelson]

My wife is/was an ECFE (Early Childhood Family Educator) coordinator both in Lake Park where we currently live and she also had all the schools in St. Paul, MN. She's a big advocate for No Child Left Behind, and is happy with our Governor's stance on that subject. These children are our hope for the future...

[Walt.]

This sort of sounds like the guys who sue to put up their 100 foot flagpoles with giant flags. The story is always "the proud veteran... honoring those fallen... etc." Just soooo patriotic. Those opposing are usually shown as cranky, uncaring old coots.

What ever happened to living with the rules in place when you got here?

[CFrance]

This sort of sounds like the guys who sue to put up their 100 foot flagpoles with giant flags. The story is always "the proud veteran... honoring those fallen... etc." Just soooo patriotic. Those opposing are usually shown as cranky, uncaring old coots.

What ever happened to living with the rules in place when you got here?
Possibly the same thing that happened to enforcing the rules you made yourself. Both take a conscious effort.

[JoMar]

I don't believe the Developer has anything to do with your neighborhood once the homes are sold. I assume the Developer determines what are the terms under which the homes are sold but the enforcement policy is up the District. I also assume the District has decided that, rather than hire an enforcement force, it works better to let the neighbors decide how their neighborhood should both look and be managed. If you are happy with lawn ornaments then let them out there, you have to live with them. If there is a child living in your neighborhood then let them live there, you have to live with them. If neither work for you then make the call. Your neighbors all signed up for the same rules, then they move in and decide that they don't have to live by them. They are happy, neighbors aren't but they are "afraid" to challenge. That's how neighborhoods go down hill. It belongs to you...and if that's what you want in your block let it alone.