Ireland Votes On Same-Sex Marriage

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Early results show Ireland saying 'yes' to gay marriage in historic vote | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ireland-saying-yes-gay-marriage?cid=sm_tw_msnbc)


Ireland will become the first country in the world to accept same-sex marriage in a national referendum after all the votes are counted today.

There is little doubt that the measure will pass, it's just a question of the margin. Some are predicting 70% in favor.

An almost record number turned out yesterday to answer a simple yes or no vote. Reports say as many as 60% may have voted.

Many Irish nationals returned to their country to cast a vote, according to news reports. Some came from as far away as Australia.

This was the highest number of voters since voters accepted divorce back in the early 1990's. The catholic church was very much against this referendum, but their influence has been subsiding, even though 80% of the country identifies as catholic.

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Oscar Wilde is smiling today.

“Yes I am a dreamer. For a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world.”

The sun has risen in Ireland.

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Oscar Wilde is smiling today.

“Yes I am a dreamer. For a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world.”

The sun has risen in Ireland.

The sun does rises everywhere regardless whatever takes place in it's coverage.

Maybe the rainbow shines brighter in Ireland?

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It is hard to believe that less than 20 years ago homosexuality was against the law in Ireland. How far they have come in such a short time.

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Sorry but this same sex married thing will be the demise of the world. Beat me up I dont care. God made us different for a reason our languages are different for a reason.

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Sorry but this same sex married thing will be the demise of the world. Beat me up I dont care. God made us different for a reason our languages are different for a reason.

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch you with his noodly appendage. And to think I was worried about nuclear war and all along it was people in love being able to marry that was the big problem.

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Ireland awaits same-sex marriage referendum result - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32856952)


Watch the thousands of people celebrating today at Dublin Castle while waiting for the votes to be counted, in this piece from the BBC.

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Sorry but this same sex married thing will be the demise of the world. Beat me up I dont care. God made us different for a reason our languages are different for a reason.

You are the winner of The Villages Tea Party "White Sheet Award" of the week.

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You are the winner of The Villages Tea Party "White Sheet Award" of the week.

Do you really expect us or anyone to believe the only ones who are against anything or in opposition to YOU are those not in your alignment, party, group etc???

You just go on makking yourself happy with the self induced fairy (pun intended) tales.

You are a contrairian isolationist with a very, VERY narrow tolerance for thinking outside your scope.

Must be terribly lonely in there.

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Sorry but this same sex married thing will be the demise of the world. Beat me up I dont care. God made us different for a reason our languages are different for a reason.
Just curious, why did God make different languages?

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May the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch you with his noodly appendage. And to think I was worried about nuclear war and all along it was people in love being able to marry that was the big problem.

Why is there a need for such arrogant, ridiculing responses in referring to another's opinion ?

Who do you think you are ?

Please read a lifelong democrat and her new best seller...

"The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech"

And please consider this advice from an adult. Treat people with respect. How dare you think you can ridicule what others think. If you do not agree..so be it, but thinking YOU have the only rational thought is beyond arrogant.

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You are the winner of The Villages Tea Party "White Sheet Award" of the week.

How smug and self absorbed you are. Why do they allow people like this to post on here.

You and your cronies make any discussion simply insufferable. Adults, none of you are.

Have differing opinions, but keep your sarcasm and little smart aleck remarks to yourself.

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Ireland Votes to Legalize Gay Marriage in Historic Referendum - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ireland-gay-marriage-referendum-count-begins-after-high-turnout-n363666)


The votes have been counted and Ireland's referendum on same-sex marriage has passed with 62% of the vote, not quite the 70% some had predicted but still pretty impressive. The turnout was 60% participation.

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Very glad that Ireland decided to have same-sex marriage. In a very short time, it will also be the law of the land in The United States of America.

I, also, am wondering why one poster thought that God created different languages. Was the poster alluding to different races and that the races should not co-mingle? Kind of sounds like that, doesn't it?

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Why is there a need for such arrogant, ridiculing responses in referring to another's opinion ?

Who do you think you are ?

Please read a lifelong democrat and her new best seller...

"The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech"

And please consider this advice from an adult. Treat people with respect. How dare you think you can ridicule what others think. If you do not agree..so be it, but thinking YOU have the only rational thought is beyond arrogant.

I just started reading this book at the pool today. She describes a number of Lefty TOTV posters to a Tee .... illiberal left. Or, as I would term it, wannabe Stalinists who can't argue based on merit so they demonize and try to shut the opposing side down.

The Illiberal Left would probably like North Korea, or an Islamic paradise where no free speech is allowed?

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I just started reading this book at the pool today. She describes a number of Lefty TOTV posters to a Tee .... illiberal left. Or, as I would term it, wannabe Stalinists who can't argue based on merit so they demonize and try to shut the opposing side down.

The Illiberal Left would probably like North Korea, or an Islamic paradise where no free speech is allowed?


There is no link. Can you name the author?

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There is no link. Can you name the author?


Here you go ...

The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech: Kirsten Powers: 9781621573708: Amazon.com: Books

"...Lifelong liberal Kirsten Powers blasts the Left's forced march towards conformity in an exposé of the illiberal war on free speech. No longer champions of tolerance and free speech, the "illiberal Left" now viciously attacks and silences anyone with alternative points of view. Powers asks, "What ever happened to free speech in America?""

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The sun does rises everywhere regardless whatever takes place in it's coverage.

Maybe the rainbow shines brighter in Ireland?

Here you go

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Nothing wrong with traditional marriage. I can understand your frustration. Do you know the boy scouts just banned water guns? Our poor boys being femininezed. We won't have any real men left due to political correctness

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Nothing wrong with traditional marriage. I can understand your frustration. Do you know the boy scouts just banned water guns? Our poor boys being femininezed. We won't have any real men left due to political correctness


The boy scouts, under the leadership of Robert Gates former Secretary of Defense, also just decided to allow gay troop leaders.

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The boy scouts, under the leadership of Robert Gates former Secretary of Defense, also just decided to allow gay troop leaders.

This is so wonderfully enlightened, and heart warming too ... ie allowing gay troop leaders to put them in charge of young teens.

The next logical step of course is to allow heterosexual men to become Girl Scout leaders, right?

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There is no link. Can you name the author?

In post 11, I gave the title and author but will give you a link now...

The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech: Kirsten Powers: 9781621573708: Amazon.com: Books

I think one of the sub chapters is titled......or something like this....the new defense for everything is racism.

This is a liberal lady who worked hard for the Democratic party. I think she still is.

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The boy scouts, under the leadership of Robert Gates former Secretary of Defense, also just decided to allow gay troop leaders.

That just proves how insane this country has become. Great role model for young boys

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That just proves how insane this country has become. Great role model for young boys

How dare you take such a condescending attitude and say such mean and hurtful things!!! :::::::insert sarcasm icon here::::::::::::

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Sorry but this same sex married thing will be the demise of the world. Beat me up I dont care. God made us different for a reason our languages are different for a reason.

That rumbling sound you hear over your head ..... that would be human social evolution passing you up.

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Why is there a need for such arrogant, ridiculing responses in referring to another's opinion ?

Who do you think you are ?

Please read a lifelong democrat and her new best seller...

"The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech"

And please consider this advice from an adult. Treat people with respect. How dare you think you can ridicule what others think. If you do not agree..so be it, but thinking YOU have the only rational thought is beyond arrogant.

Didn't you just arrogantly ridicule someone ??

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That rumbling sound you hear over your head ..... that would be human social evolution passing you up.

I think you're mixed up ... that sound you hear is that of a formerly great civilization losing its moorings and slowly beginning its descent

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That just proves how insane this country has become. Great role model for young boys

Insanity indeed ...that's exactly what it is, as well as a violation of natural law.

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Why is it ok for male homosexuals to be boy scout leaders but not ok for male heterosexuals to be girl scout leaders??

I would like for a liberal gay rights advocate to answer this please.

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Why is it ok for male homosexuals to be boy scout leaders but not ok for male heterosexuals to be girl scout leaders??

I would like for a liberal gay rights advocate to answer this please.

Obviously, you have never researched this question on line. Male heterosexuals are welcome to be Girl Scout leaders. Check it out.

Am I a liberal gay rights advocate? Proud to say that I am.

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This is so wonderfully enlightened, and heart warming too ... ie allowing gay troop leaders to put them in charge of young teens.

The next logical step of course is to allow heterosexual men to become Girl Scout leaders, right?

Why is it ok for male homosexuals to be boy scout leaders but not ok for male heterosexuals to be girl scout leaders??

I would like for a liberal gay rights advocate to answer this please.

and then

Obviously, you have never researched this question on line. Male heterosexuals are welcome to be Girl Scout leaders. Check it out.

Am I a liberal gay rights advocate? Proud to say that I am.

Stop confusing the haters with facts, with truth, with evidence. They have their false knowledge and you might make their little heads explode to learn all their world view is based on a series of lies. Is that sarcastic enough or am I just pointing out that the truth has never gotten in the way of a well held bigoted opinion.

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Stop confusing the haters with facts, with truth, with evidence. They have their false knowledge and you might make their little heads explode to learn all their world view is based on a series of lies. Is that sarcastic enough or am I just pointing out that the truth has never gotten in the way of a well held bigoted opinion.

Great post! :ho:

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Didn't you just arrogantly ridicule someone ??

Maybe you don't understand what ridicule means. Let me help you out.

From Merriam-Webster - "the act of making fun of someone or something in a cruel or harsh way : harsh comments made by people who are laughing at someone or something"

I don't think the person you were responding to in your post above was laughing.

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Stop confusing the haters with facts, with truth, with evidence. They have their false knowledge and you might make their little heads explode to learn all their world view is based on a series of lies. Is that sarcastic enough or am I just pointing out that the truth has never gotten in the way of a well held bigoted opinion.

You see, here's the problem. Maybe the poster that you are referring to just did not know that fact. As someone who spent my earlier years as a girl scout and then as a leader, I have to admit that I didn't know that a male could be a leader either. Of course, this may be something that has changed since then.

GSGLA : FAQs (http://www.girlscoutsla.org/pages/about/join_faqs.html)

But, instead of responding in a way that would assume that might be the case and providing a link to show their error, you and others applauding you, come on here and ridicule and name call and show by your posts an enormous amount of hatred to anyone unlike yourselves. If that is what being a liberal is all about, I thank God that I am not one. You call other posters haters, yet in fact, your post sounds very hateful to me. In rereading the posts you refer to, I do not see any level of hate - just someone asking questions. Your reaction to those questions seems rather extreme.

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You see, here's the problem. Maybe the poster that you are referring to just did not know that fact.

If that is what being a liberal is all about, I thank God that I am not one. You call other posters haters, yet in fact, your post sounds very hateful to me. In rereading the posts you refer to, I do not see any level of hate - just someone asking questions. Your reaction to those questions seems rather extreme.

Dear Guest,

Please re-read Post 29. He asks why a "male heterosexual" cannot be a Girl Scout leader. That question is fine-if asked by itself. However, he further goes on with saying he wants that question to be answered by a "liberal gay rights advocate". Now, if you do not see a level of hate there, you must have missed that part of the post.

Anyhow, as you provided a good link to Girl Scouts accepting male leaders, that is answered.

As for Ireland becoming the first country to legalize gay marriage, that is excellent and it soon will become the law of the land in the United States of America.

Personal Best Regards.

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Next step will be people wanting to marry their dogs

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These people who speak against our father will have there eternity in the lake of fire.
Does not anyone wonder why America has booed our GOD and started a war with the GOD fearing? Why have the people of America not stood up and not allowed the blaspheming of our father in heaven, let them remove GOD from the schools and the military?

My father was in world war 2 and carried scripture in his helmet as all the soldiers did.

For 200 years America was a GOD fearing free country! In the last 8 years the democrats actually booed our father and people who use to profess faith now reject it.

WHY NOW? DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY KNOW MORE THAN MOST OF THE WORLD FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS? COULD THIS BE GOD SEPERATING THE TRUE BELIEVERS FROM THE TARES?

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Next step will be people wanting to marry their dogs

My ex-wife was a real bit-h.

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Maybe you don't understand what ridicule means. Let me help you out.

From Merriam-Webster - "the act of making fun of someone or something in a cruel or harsh way : harsh comments made by people who are laughing at someone or something"

I don't think the person you were responding to in your post above was laughing.


The poster was most certainly guilty of meeting this definition of the word. My point was both correct and succinct.

rid·i·cule
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noun
noun: ridicule

1. the subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behavior.

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Next step will be people wanting to marry their dogs

or, you can just post something completely moronic

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These people who speak against our father will have there eternity in the lake of fire.
Does not anyone wonder why America has booed our GOD and started a war with the GOD fearing? Why have the people of America not stood up and not allowed the blaspheming of our father in heaven, let them remove GOD from the schools and the military?

My father was in world war 2 and carried scripture in his helmet as all the soldiers did.

For 200 years America was a GOD fearing free country! In the last 8 years the democrats actually booed our father and people who use to profess faith now reject it.

WHY NOW? DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY KNOW MORE THAN MOST OF THE WORLD FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS? COULD THIS BE GOD SEPERATING THE TRUE BELIEVERS FROM THE TARES?

Ok, I admit it. I would much, much MUCH rather be married to my dog than you.

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Dear Guest,

Please re-read Post 29. He asks why a "male heterosexual" cannot be a Girl Scout leader. That question is fine-if asked by itself. However, he further goes on with saying he wants that question to be answered by a "liberal gay rights advocate". Now, if you do not see a level of hate there, you must have missed that part of the post.

Anyhow, as you provided a good link to Girl Scouts accepting male leaders, that is answered.

As for Ireland becoming the first country to legalize gay marriage, that is excellent and it soon will become the law of the land in the United States of America.

Personal Best Regards.

Yeah, sorry, I still don't get it nor do I see it. Just because they wanted a response from someone of a certain belief system and requested that, that makes them hateful? I really want to try to understand what I see as many overreactions on this forum instead of genuine discussion. This is why I am pursuing this discussion. This forum would be much more enjoyable if we could just answer one another's questions in a civil manner and with respect. Best regards back to you.

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I prefer to wait and discuss things of priority tha either will affect my life or that I can make a contribution to others.

Yes I believe the design of our maker was one man and one woman. And it is OK by me if there are some minority, special interests that are different.

Just don't expect me to promote it. And in my opinion the subject is given far more attention than it deserves.

Do what you wany but please stay out of my face with stuff in the overall standing of what is going on in the world....hardly matters!

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Agree. Sick of hearing this with all going on in the world more important. And make no mistake, the "gay rights" agenda , which includes indoctrinating kindergartners with pro-homosexual propaganda and legalizing same sex marriage is extraordinarily subversive to America's foundational values and institutions. To understand whats happened, you have to look at the media

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Agree. Sick of hearing this with all going on in the world more important. And make no mistake, the "gay rights" agenda , which includes indoctrinating kindergartners with pro-homosexual propaganda and legalizing same sex marriage is extraordinarily subversive to America's foundational values and institutions. To understand whats happened, you have to look at the media

...and you would rather have kids believing that LBGT people are perverted and should be ridiculed? Or maybe have all LBGT's rounded up and put into compounds all to themselves?

Wasn't something like at done by a political party in the late 1930's somewhere?

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...and you would rather have kids believing that LBGT people are perverted and should be ridiculed? Or maybe have all LBGT's rounded up and put into compounds all to themselves?

Wasn't something like at done by a political party in the late 1930's somewhere?

Well I know for one it was never a topic for discussion in kindergarten in my day. As a matter of fact it was not even on anybody's radar. Nobody cared who was what....in the closet or not.

And I certainly would like to think the subject is not discussed in kindergarten today. That is not what the kids are in school to find out about.

When will the subject seek it's real pririty in the scheme of life. It is only page one news and a topic for supporters and political gain and radicals for a sepcific agenda.

A very, very small portion of the population. That given a choice most would have left things the way they were....like it or not.

OK so we live in a permissive, nothing matters anymore, do not upset anybody and the lone cry in the wilderness is treated as if it was a majority.

IT IS NOT THE PRIORITY OF THE DAY!!!!!!

I am sick and tired of hearing about it. More sick and tired of those who keep bellowing about it every chance they get. I aam sick of seeing it in every television show, movie, news report and fart in the wind.

The other 98% of us do not care about it anymore today than we did years ago. And seeing it and hearing it every day is tantamount to :swear: bull
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Legalizing same sex marriage would contradict evidence which shows monogamous , heterosexual marriage is the best family setting for the rearing of children.

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Well I know for one it was never a topic for discussion in kindergarten in my day. As a matter of fact it was not even on anybody's radar. Nobody cared who was what....in the closet or not.

And I certainly would like to think the subject is not discussed in kindergarten today. That is not what the kids are in school to find out about.

When will the subject seek it's real pririty in the scheme of life. It is only page one news and a topic for supporters and political gain and radicals for a sepcific agenda.

A very, very small portion of the population. That given a choice most would have left things the way they were....like it or not.

OK so we live in a permissive, nothing matters anymore, do not upset anybody and the lone cry in the wilderness is treated as if it was a majority.

IT IS NOT THE PRIORITY OF THE DAY!!!!!!

I am sick and tired of hearing about it. More sick and tired of those who keep bellowing about it every chance they get. I aam sick of seeing it in every television show, movie, news report and fart in the wind.

The other 98% of us do not care about it anymore today than we did years ago. And seeing it and hearing it every day is tantamount to :swear: bull
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I am with this poster 100%!!!!!!!

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Well I know for one it was never a topic for discussion in kindergarten in my day. As a matter of fact it was not even on anybody's radar. Nobody cared who was what....in the closet or not.

And I certainly would like to think the subject is not discussed in kindergarten today. That is not what the kids are in school to find out about.

When will the subject seek it's real pririty in the scheme of life. It is only page one news and a topic for supporters and political gain and radicals for a sepcific agenda.

A very, very small portion of the population. That given a choice most would have left things the way they were....like it or not.

OK so we live in a permissive, nothing matters anymore, do not upset anybody and the lone cry in the wilderness is treated as if it was a majority.

IT IS NOT THE PRIORITY OF THE DAY!!!!!!

I am sick and tired of hearing about it. More sick and tired of those who keep bellowing about it every chance they get. I aam sick of seeing it in every television show, movie, news report and fart in the wind.

The other 98% of us do not care about it anymore today than we did years ago. And seeing it and hearing it every day is tantamount to :swear: bull
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You mention that same sex marriage is only for a specific agenda. Yes, and that agenda is EQUALITY. LBGT people have gained much ground but still lack all the legal protections as married couples.

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You mention that same sex marriage is only for a specific agenda. Yes, and that agenda is EQUALITY. LBGT people have gained much ground but still lack all the legal protections as married couples.
and because .5 percent of the people are gay we need to have it plastered across our television, computer and newspaper? I have to ask why do you need this attention?

I am Christian and I do not like it pushed into my face all the time. Would you push pork on a muslim? No you would be arrested! This is a Christian nation and we all have it blasting into our homes....why!? To take what is really going on into the back ground?

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Next step will be people wanting to marry their dogs

Actually some lady in the UK recently tried to marry her cat.

But, the next "civil rights issue" after gay marriage is fully normalized will then move on to legalizing polyamory and polygamy. After all, "who is to say" multiple people can't love each other?

After that .... hard to say when, but NAMBLA will start to say "...we want to be considered normal too" (my paraphrasing.)

North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association)

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Am I a liberal gay rights advocate? Proud to say that I am.

Ok, so you're a self-identified liberal gay rights advocate?

This must also mean you are highly Islamophobic. The reason I say that is you, and many other gay advocates, constantly parade the gay lifestyle before all of society. Look at any TV show these days.

Given that homosexuality is a crime punishable by death under Islam, why do you constantly provoke the Muslims in the way that you do?

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Ok, so you're a self-identified liberal gay rights advocate?

This must also mean you are highly Islamophobic. The reason I say that is you, and many other gay advocates, constantly parade the gay lifestyle before all of society. Look at any TV show these days.

Given that homosexuality is a crime punishable by death under Islam, why do you constantly provoke the Muslims in the way that you do?

Excellent point. Maybe the gay activists should concentrate on Muslims and how they kill gays. We don't do that in America but you are correct we do parade it on TV. I can't even watch a prime time show anymore on the ABC channels without my stomach wanting to turn. Its constantly being shoved down our throats trying to brainwash us into thinking its normal

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i think those who care about the abysmal standards "paraded" on our tv shows today should cancel their cable subscriptions en masse and begin just streaming the shows which they feel are wholesome into their homes....the cable companies would get the message that there are millions of us who don't appreciate these degrading programs...i just had my major cable stations greatly reduced and i am finding that i don't miss them at all. what i really want i can see on the computer.

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i think those who care about the abysmal standards "paraded" on our tv shows today should cancel their cable subscriptions en masse and begin just streaming the shows which they feel are wholesome into their homes....the cable companies would get the message that there are millions of us who don't appreciate these degrading programs...i just had my major cable stations greatly reduced and i am finding that i don't miss them at all. what i really want i can see on the computer.

Some guy or gal could make a gazillion dollars by inventing scanning software for your remote that skips, alerts or otherwise bypasses shows with gay content ... kind of like another warning label. It could apply to other objectionable content as well.

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Excellent point. Maybe the gay activists should concentrate on Muslims and how they kill gays. We don't do that in America but you are correct we do parade it on TV. I can't even watch a prime time show anymore on the ABC channels without my stomach wanting to turn. Its constantly being shoved down our throats trying to brainwash us into thinking its normal

Well, thank goodness that you have "19 & Counting" to look at since it has all of the family values you desire:1rotfl:. Just think, you and Mike Huckabee:clap2: might be watching the same show at the same time!

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You mention that same sex marriage is only for a specific agenda. Yes, and that agenda is EQUALITY. LBGT people have gained much ground but still lack all the legal protections as married couples.

BS.

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Looks like the majority on the board favor traditional marriage

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Looks like the majority on the board favor traditional marriage

It is a good thing that the US Supreme Court does not have narrow minds.

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The US Supreme Court can make gay marriage legal, but they can't make us like it.

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the next legal battle will be churches being penalized for not wanting to perform same sex marriages. i think all churches should prepare to give up their federal tax exempt status if they hope to maintain their beliefs without interference from govt. money is tempting.

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i think those who care about the abysmal standards "paraded" on our tv shows today should cancel their cable subscriptions en masse and begin just streaming the shows which they feel are wholesome into their homes....the cable companies would get the message that there are millions of us who don't appreciate these degrading programs...i just had my major cable stations greatly reduced and i am finding that i don't miss them at all. what i really want i can see on the computer.

And were you similarly upset when Bill Cosby got casted in I spy? Or when you had to read Native Son. While the arts are partially to entertain, a more important function of art and literature is to inform. And to hold a mirror up so the dominant culture can see its warts. This isn't a new idea. Jonathan Swift and Charles Dickens skewered the WASP culture in England without mercy. If it is your turn to be skewered perhaps you can see it as an honor.

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One of my favorite television shows is "Modern Family". Mitchell and Cameron are just great together. I recently found out the actor that plays Cameron is straight and has a wife and family. The one playing Mitchell is gay and married.

Watch the show. You probably would enjoy it. Great comedy.

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And were you similarly upset when Bill Cosby got casted in I spy? Or when you had to read Native Son. While the arts are partially to entertain, a more important function of art and literature is to inform. And to hold a mirror up so the dominant culture can see its warts. This isn't a new idea. Jonathan Swift and Charles Dickens skewered the WASP culture in England without mercy. If it is your turn to be skewered perhaps you can see it as an honor.

The examples offered are not of the same issue.

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the next legal battle will be churches being penalized for not wanting to perform same sex marriages. i think all churches should prepare to give up their federal tax exempt status if they hope to maintain their beliefs without interference from govt. money is tempting.

Perhaps its now time for a genuine counter-revolution in values? Let's keep it peaceful, but I for one, have had it. We are still the majority. We still have the numbers but we have been intimidated into silence by a tiny minority that holds genuinely perverse views which are harmful to society, our kids and the future.

Time to change that, and to get the power of government on our side vs being against us.

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Perhaps its now time for a genuine counter-revolution in values? Let's keep it peaceful, but I for one, have had it. We are still the majority. We still have the numbers but we have been intimidated into silence by a tiny minority that holds genuinely perverse views which are harmful to society, our kids and the future.

Time to change that, and to get the power of government on our side vs being against us.

Sounds kind of Hitler-esque, doesn't it?

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Sounds kind of Hitler-esque, doesn't it?

No, not in the least. Given that you would say that indicates your ongoing lack of any historical knowledge.

Reining in an out of control government and corrupt moral culture is as American as apple pie.

You can only push the majority so far before they fight back. We're at that point.

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Looks like the majority on the board favor traditional marriage

Their is a SIGNIFICANT number of members of TOTV that support gay rights / marriage that simply do not post in this forum because it is the equivalent of ****ing in the wind.

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Sounds kind of Hitler-esque, doesn't it?

That is an uncalled for and irrelevant remark.
It is OK to be of the minorty representaion, but there is no reason to denegrate an opposing view......from a majority representative.

I for one am part of what I hope is a growing number in America. I am not and never have been intimidated by anybody, including the US government.

Like very many of us in that majority, I do respect others views/preferences even those I disagree with. I do not however accept being harassed day and night by a minority group, examples purporting to be an established new norm.

Our life and our diminished family and core values are affected by the ever present 24/7 internet and television. Two major contributors to the decline of many of our core values, including killing, rape, murder, mayhem, etc.

Like many others in the majority, I believe in live and let live but am sick and tired of the minoriity and special interest minorities running over the rest of us.

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Perhaps its now time for a genuine counter-revolution in values? Let's keep it peaceful, but I for one, have had it. We are still the majority. We still have the numbers but we have been intimidated into silence by a tiny minority that holds genuinely perverse views which are harmful to society, our kids and the future.

Time to change that, and to get the power of government on our side vs being against us.


On the subject of same-sex marriage, all of the recent polls show that 60% of Americans support it, that is a majority. If there were a national referendum in this country, as they had in Ireland, the results would be virtually the same.

In the 37 states, plus the District of Columbia, that allow same-sex marriage , the majority say it has had no negative impact on their lives.

On the other hand, if people think it is time for a peaceful counter-revolution, the best place to start is at the ballot box. Working to sign up new voters would be a good starting point.

The 2016 election could very well be decided by Florida. President Obama basically won FL twice because he carried the I-4 corridor. The GOP nominee must win Florida in order to get elected.

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Their is a SIGNIFICANT number of members of TOTV that support gay rights / marriage that simply do not post in this forum because it is the equivalent of ****ing in the wind.

How ever many that is is of no consequence. And if they choose to not participate where ALL fall over and wave rianbow flags, that is their choice.
Just because there is opposition does not equate tp ****ing in the wind......it merely reflects the reality of life that there are differences of opinion.

Obviously a very difficult concept for some.

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Dear Guest,

Please re-read Post 29. He asks why a "male heterosexual" cannot be a Girl Scout leader. That question is fine-if asked by itself. However, he further goes on with saying he wants that question to be answered by a "liberal gay rights advocate". Now, if you do not see a level of hate there, you must have missed that part of the post.

Anyhow, as you provided a good link to Girl Scouts accepting male leaders, that is answered.

As for Ireland becoming the first country to legalize gay marriage, that is excellent and it soon will become the law of the land in the United States of America.

Personal Best Regards.

Dear Guest:

I do not know who you are and while I have no copyright claim on it the edit signature "Personal Best Regards has been one I have used since coming on TOTV.

I know I did not write the aforementioned for two reasons. First I would not assume to know another person's heart. Secondly You ended Personal Best Regards with a . and I end it with a :

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

After women marry women and men marry men can a man marry two , three, women etc?? Sharia law is here and the Muslims are fine with it. Why shouldn't we follow suit? Then little johnny can have the benefit of two mommies and one daddy instead of learning about being baby daddies to 2 or more women? Let's keep progressing

[Guest]

Unfortunately many people see the GLBT movement as a civil rights issue which it is not and /or support for a small sector of society they feel are unfairly and unnecessarily ridiculed . They also add a touch of romanticism to the mix.

Since the beginning of time people understood the differences between heterosexual and homosexual behavior some like the Greeks embraced it but not once in civilization was it suggested that a city-state should legitimize the marriage between two members of the same sex. that is until now.

In the early 1980's homosexual advocates devised a plan to strategically place in front of the population a benign and loving image of two people just trying to make it together in this world. They solicited the usual suspects and lo and behold every movie television show, etc has a gay couple living the American dream raising kids....you get my drift. By repeating this picture often enough and long enough normalized it and then socialized it.

Any objection to this arrangement subjects opponents of being haters, homophobic etc. I object for a number of reasons first and foremost it is going to open up a pandora's box the likes we have never seen. It will have serious social consequences.

I do not believe homosexuals should be discriminated against, or ridiculed but I also do not believe that the definition of marriage should ever be altered.

I am sorry but I do have a problem with a man obsessed about another man's private parts. Nor as it is often claimed do I as a male gain pleasure from witnessing two females entertaining one another. But then my taste might be too traditional for some, perhaps boring.

I do not know what the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision will be in June but I would always defer to state rights on such issues because the federal government when it chooses chooses wrong.

So one can only blink and deflate when you hearing the cheering for Ireland's decision. I also think that something is amiss in that country because I cannot believe the lads actually agree with this and hence some political heavy weights had a hand in this for self interest reasons .

finally there are a number of posters on this forum whom this entire discussion would be lost because they won't stop long enough to think he issue thoroughly through because they are too busy waving the Irish flag


Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Very well said

[Guest]

"I do not know what the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision will be in June but I would always defer to state rights on such issues because the federal government when it chooses chooses wrong."

Good that you would go with the states decisions (37 states plus DC) that have legalized same-sex marriage. You do not have to participate in same-sex marriage - just respect it as the choice of those who do believe in it.

Same would go for legalized marijuana either for recreational use (Colorado and Washington) or for medical use as legalized in many states.

Personally, I go for the Federal government as the decision maker so we have one ruling that applies to all the UNITED States - and not 50 different laws on the same issue from 50 different states.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1065117]On the subject of same-sex marriage, all of the recent polls show that 60% of Americans support it, that is a majority. If there were a national referendum in this country, as they had in Ireland, the results would be virtually the same.

In the 37 states, plus the District of Columbia, that allow same-sex marriage , the majority say it has had no negative impact on their lives.

On the other hand, if people think it is time for a peaceful counter-revolution, the best place to start is at the ballot box. Working to sign up new voters would be a good starting point.

The 2016 election could very well be decided by Florida. President Obama basically won FL twice because he carried the I-4 corridor. The GOP nominee must win Florida in order to get elected.[/Q

Who took the poll?

The laws set down by the GOD of Abraham are as valuable today as the day they were set.

An abomination does not change because on this day a select few say so.

Our morals are under attack and the world is seeing polls like this!

The push is on to make pedophilia legal. Pedophilia is allowed in Islam & babies are given in marriage.

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I also agree we must not open that can of worms if we want to remain a morale society. I don't understand how liberals don't see this Do you want your grandchildren living in a society where anything goes? This is where we are heading. Once its man with man, its man with two men or even loving boys. The media is at fault for trying to force it to be viewed as normal. The kids today are already screwed up do you think its going to help them if they don't know If dad should wear slacks or a skirt? And while the Muslims come in with many wives the kids will think "cool" why can't I? It will go on and on and on.....where do we draw the line??

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I also agree we must not open that can of worms if we want to remain a morale society. I don't understand how liberals don't see this Do you want your grandchildren living in a society where anything goes? This is where we are heading. Once its man with man, its man with two men or even loving boys. The media is at fault for trying to force it to be viewed as normal. The kids today are already screwed up do you think its going to help them if they don't know If dad should wear slacks or a skirt? And while the Muslims come in with many wives the kids will think "cool" why can't I? It will go on and on and on.....where do we draw the line??

I am so glad my kids are all grown. Ditto for most of our grandchildren. It is the great grandchildren and their future children that will pay a price of sorts as they mature and have children. They will never know the joys and freedoms we have had and enjoyed.
But as the values and freedoms continue to devolve (I guess it is a word) the quality of life, morals and freedoms will be significantly less than we know and knew. They will have no point of reference as we have.
That is the blessing if we can call it that!

[Guest]

Unfortunately many people see the GLBT movement as a civil rights issue which it is not and /or support for a small sector of society they feel are unfairly and unnecessarily ridiculed . They also add a touch of romanticism to the mix.

Since the beginning of time people understood the differences between heterosexual and homosexual behavior some like the Greeks embraced it but not once in civilization was it suggested that a city-state should legitimize the marriage between two members of the same sex. that is until now.

In the early 1980's homosexual advocates devised a plan to strategically place in front of the population a benign and loving image of two people just trying to make it together in this world. They solicited the usual suspects and lo and behold every movie television show, etc has a gay couple living the American dream raising kids....you get my drift. By repeating this picture often enough and long enough normalized it and then socialized it.

Any objection to this arrangement subjects opponents of being haters, homophobic etc. I object for a number of reasons first and foremost it is going to open up a pandora's box the likes we have never seen. It will have serious social consequences.

I do not believe homosexuals should be discriminated against, or ridiculed but I also do not believe that the definition of marriage should ever be altered.

I am sorry but I do have a problem with a man obsessed about another man's private parts. Nor as it is often claimed do I as a male gain pleasure from witnessing two females entertaining one another. But then my taste might be too traditional for some, perhaps boring.

I do not know what the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision will be in June but I would always defer to state rights on such issues because the federal government when it chooses chooses wrong.

So one can only blink and deflate when you hearing the cheering for Ireland's decision. I also think that something is amiss in that country because I cannot believe the lads actually agree with this and hence some political heavy weights had a hand in this for self interest reasons .

finally there are a number of posters on this forum whom this entire discussion would be lost because they won't stop long enough to think he issue thoroughly through because they are too busy waving the Irish flag


Personal Best Regards:

Excellent post and very well said.

As mentioned by an earlier poster, I think many in the majority are finally getting so totally fed up that some will actually become politically active to stop the assault and reverse the forces.

Homosexual marriage can claim absolutely no historical precedent or legitimacy. Snide arguments aside, it also clearly violates natural law.

You're also correct about the friendly face put on the movement. It's in large part essentially a cover for rampant male homosexuality and all that goes with the bathhouse and S&M culture. There is also a longer term target of "sharing the joys of unfettered love" with children ...ie young boys.

North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association)

We've had enough, and are finally ready to rebel (peacefully I would hope). The tipping point will be when the radical left attempts to criminalize certain Christian beliefs ...ie natural marriage.

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It's so sad, isn't it? I also don't believe we need to discriminate against the gays etc but absolutely don't believe their preference needs to be broadcast on TV, taught in schools etc. The libs will destroy their own country along with the future of their own grandchildren because they lack common sense. Its always about rights so open it up and yes there will be no boundaries to anything its the "anything goes" society and we shall pay dearly for it as things spiral out of control. As a conservative I'm going to sit back and just watch it all happen as I am grateful I have no grandchildren to worry about. That is a blessings in disguise. God help the kids today as they won't even know right from wrong as "anything goes" will all become OK in their impressionable minds

[Guest]

Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden

[Guest]

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

[Guest]

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

I know you think you've just said something profound, but it is actually a ridiculous question.

[Guest]

:pepper2:If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?
:pepper2::pepper2::pepper2::pepper2::pepper2::pepp er2::pepper2:

[Guest]

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

Dear Guest: I do not wish to be or seen being unkind but there are some realities in life that must be faced head on. The question you pose has many answers most of which you may not like. For one it opens the door to discussion as to whether homosexuality is genetic or a choice?

The outcome of procreation between a man and a woman is left in nature's hands which more often is thankfully, unremarkable.

I wish no one disrespect or harm. I have a life long history of standing up against people who bully or ridicule other people for whatever reasons.


What you will find for the most part is that those opposed to the nationalization of same-sex marriage ( itself an oxymoron) is that it demands the redefinition of marriage that has been established, by nature, since the beginning of time and which if dismantled will have grave consequences on societies that will occur subtle gradually but assuredly.

The Civil Right Laws and amendments following established the basis for no discrimination. So this latest movement by the GLBT is for one reason and one reason alone. To make it acceptable and may I dare say legal behavior in essence claiming there is no difference between heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior...and that my friend is a long stretch because it drastically changes male to male and female to female relationships.


Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

People still give birth to liars which is stated to be an abomination in the Bible.

GOD made man and women and he says homosexuality is an abomination

so I pretty much think the science behind a person being born this way is

flawed big time. Everything in the Bible is true and you can not pick and

choose what you want to follow.

[Guest]

People still give birth to liars which is stated to be an abomination in the Bible.

GOD made man and women and he says homosexuality is an abomination

so I pretty much think the science behind a person being born this way is

flawed big time. Everything in the Bible is true and you can not pick and

choose what you want to follow.

Standby for the "teen adults" that troll on here. You will be subject to snarky comments, and then credited by one of those cute little icons.

These are folks who can only follow what they are told is correct; it is a political forum so stand by and good luck. The "children" of retirement age will be here !

[Guest]

Borrowing a segment out of context from another post above to make a point.....if they do present it as "...legal behavior in essence claiming there is no difference between heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior..."

then perhaps one of them could explain why a child can only be produced between a male and a female?
via anatomical parts of the body designed specifically to do so?

[Guest]

Borrowing a segment out of context from another post above to make a point.....if they do present it as "...legal behavior in essence claiming there is no difference between heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior..."

then perhaps one of them could explain why a child can only be produced between a male and a female? via anatomical parts of the body designed specifically to do so?

That's the question that they can never answer

[Guest]

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

There will always be a small percentage of people born into this world with a variety of genetic defects or abnormalities. e.g. birth defects, cystic fibrosis, autism etc. This is sad but inevitable.

Homosexuality is an aberration and about 1-2% of the population is born into it. That does not mean they should be harassed or not able to live a full life, BUT ... nor does it mean the abnormal condition should thus be redefined as normal.

This is not a difficult concept logically ... but emotionally, some simply can not bear to admit the obvious.

[Guest]

That's the question that they can never answer

Credit the LGBT movement for recognizing that by tying themselves to a party that was looking feverishly for voting blocks (Democrat) they could wield power...they saw how it happened in the 60's with the black community and tied onto that movement.

[Guest]

Credit the LGBT movement for recognizing that by tying themselves to a party that was looking feverishly for voting blocks (Democrat) they could wield power...they saw how it happened in the 60's with the black community and tied onto that movement.

And the majority endures another set back.
It is no longer amusing how that seems to work.
Eventually the majority will come to a point where the crap hits the fan.

[Guest]

And the majority endures another set back.
It is no longer amusing how that seems to work.
Eventually the majority will come to a point where the crap hits the fan.

I agree ... the fuze is starting to smolder. Enough is enough. The fact that we've put up with it this long is idiotic

[Guest]

I agree ... the fuze is starting to smolder. Enough is enough. The fact that we've put up with it this long is idiotic

...and your suggestions are ...?

[Guest]

I know you think you've just said something profound, but it is actually a ridiculous question.
Not ridiculous. No one chooses to be gay. They are born that way. And someone bore them...

[Guest]

Not ridiculous. No one chooses to be gay. They are born that way. And someone bore them...

Yes, see post #91

[Guest]

Regarding the claIm "...no one chooses to be gay..."

100% incorrect.

[Guest]

Stats show that traditional family life is the healthiest for us and for the future of society. The dominant culture (libs) continue to degrade its significance. Individualism is wonderful but individuals without families are lost. Famile

[Guest]

Stats show that traditional family life is the healthiest for us and for the future of society. The dominant culture (libs) continue to degrade its significance. Individualism is wonderful but individuals without families are lost. Famile

Families are a true source of power

[Guest]

Stats show that traditional family life is the healthiest for us and for the future of society. The dominant culture (libs) continue to degrade its significance. Individualism is wonderful but individuals without families are lost. Famile

Families are a true source of power

How can ANYBODY argue against the above?

[Guest]

Families come in all different sizes and different shapes. Families love one another... and teach acceptance and kindness, just like the Bible tells us so...

[Guest]

The focus on this issue should center on the preservation of nature's intent on marriage since the beginning of civilization. Eve laid with Adam not Evita. the telling of that story whether you view it has gospel or myth is telling because it has been passed down from one generation to the next.

I do not care what people do in their private lives but I do care that a small but aggressive minority are intent on destroying the definition of marriage as being between one man one woman because it will turn this world upside down.

The church of Scientology was built by a madman and look at how effective it has becoming in being a legitimate institution and able by intimidation and greed control its imagine. Ask yourself how is that possible? And then ask what does the future hold for us if the Supreme Court is intimidated by politics instead of focusing on the law, a law passed down since the beginning of time?

I opine, you decide.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Families come in all different sizes and different shapes. Families love one another... and teach acceptance and kindness, just like the Bible tells us so...

A natural family comes with a man and a woman as parents. GOD said

marriage is between a man and a women anything else is an abomination.

Take this teaching out of our schools!

[Guest]

A natural family comes with a man and a woman as parents. GOD said

marriage is between a man and a women anything else is an abomination.

Take this teaching out of our schools!

Ambiguous; what is the point being made?

[Guest]

does this thread have a special interest or a life of it's own?

[Guest]

Ambiguous; what is the point being made?

I am so sorry you were not able to understand the point. I forget the Kool-

Aid people are drinking forbids them to see the truth

[Guest]

A natural family comes with a man and a woman as parents. GOD said

marriage is between a man and a women anything else is an abomination.

Take this teaching out of our schools!

Winner. This is the most discusting post I have ever read.

[Guest]

I am so sorry you were not able to understand the point. I forget the Kool-

Aid people are drinking forbids them to see the truth

Go take a flying leap on a rolling donut:evil6:

[Guest]

Winner. This is the most discusting post I have ever read.

What you're really saying is you happen to find common sense disgusting

[Guest]

Go take a flying leap on a rolling donut:evil6:

I heard that one in 4th grade.

[Guest]

Winner. This is the most discusting post I have ever read.

No one said to teach hate! GOD is love! The WORD is Jesus! You can not

change the WORD that Christians around the world live by.

This is a Christian nation, no matter what one person says, it is not true.

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life!

You are really not the majority!

There are many more Christians than you think and they are staying silent.

Our nation has many filled churches!

If I were a Muslim I would have someone arrested for changing my Holy

Bible but who is the person responsible? I guess all the silent Christians are.

[Guest]

Isn't this thread on a merry go round and worn out and old and tired?

(I am not describing a certain presidential candidate......)

[Guest]

Next step will be people wanting to marry their dogs

As Dick Cheney once said..."Thats a bit of an OLD chestnut.

It turned about to be the only thing I liked about DICK.

[Guest]

As Dick Cheney once said..."Thats a bit of an OLD chestnut.

It turned about to be the only thing I liked about DICK.

Do not forget that Dick's daughter, Mary, is in a gay marriage. He says he fully supports their marriage.

[Guest]

Do not forget that Dick's daughter, Mary, is in a gay marriage. He says he fully supports their marriage.

I always wondered why he said that until that info came out....but not everyone in the family is on-board think Liz.

The rest of his policies are problematic....he was a terrible President. LOL

[Guest]

Keep your intolerant interpretation of your religious book out of my civil institutions. There is not a whit of difference between Sharia's followers interpretation of their book stuck in the 7th century and certain so called Christians, who are stuck with their insistence that their book should also be imposed on me with their 1st century interpretation. This is NOT a Christian country, it is a country with a lot of Christians whose founders somehow completely forgot to mention religion at all in the Constitution except to say there is no religious test for holding office and there will be no government endorsement of any religion. Not very super duper Christian of them. They kept their religion private and out of our defining document. Get over it or at least admit you have the same goal of imposing your primitive faith on me as the fundamentalist Islamists. You are the abomination, you are perverting what could be good into something unspeakably evil.

[Guest]

Keep your intolerant interpretation of your religious book out of my civil institutions. There is not a whit of difference between Sharia's followers interpretation of their book stuck in the 7th century and certain so called Christians, who are stuck with their insistence that their book should also be imposed on me with their 1st century interpretation. This is NOT a Christian country, it is a country with a lot of Christians whose founders somehow completely forgot to mention religion at all in the Constitution except to say there is no religious test for holding office and there will be no government endorsement of any religion. Not very super duper Christian of them. They kept their religion private and out of our defining document. Get over it or at least admit you have the same goal of imposing your primitive faith on me as the fundamentalist Islamists. You are the abomination, you are perverting what could be good into something unspeakably evil.

You act like there is a prize for saying how much you do not believe in GOD.

You are one of the few and the same few spout this same evil crap. If you

need new laws to follow make up your own but stay out of the Christian

WORD! Obvious another one who has never read the WORD but only spews

garbage about it!

[Guest]

Keep your intolerant interpretation of your religious book out of my civil institutions. There is not a whit of difference between Sharia's followers interpretation of their book stuck in the 7th century and certain so called Christians, who are stuck with their insistence that their book should also be imposed on me with their 1st century interpretation. This is NOT a Christian country, it is a country with a lot of Christians whose founders somehow completely forgot to mention religion at all in the Constitution except to say there is no religious test for holding office and there will be no government endorsement of any religion. Not very super duper Christian of them. They kept their religion private and out of our defining document. Get over it or at least admit you have the same goal of imposing your primitive faith on me as the fundamentalist Islamists. You are the abomination, you are perverting what could be good into something unspeakably evil.

This is a Christian Nation! Count The Christian Churches! Christians Are Not

In The News Because We Do Not Behead People And Have Found The

Satisfaction Only Christ Can Give -

Clayton Jennings says it best


Clayton Jennings

"Bruce Jenner is a man!"

"Bruce Jenner is a woman!"

"She is Caitlyn, not Bruce!"

Since today's viral pictures of Jenner were released, I have seen and heard

a lot of arguing on the issue of being transgender. What people forget when

they debate Jenner's sex is Jenner's humanity. Guy or girl we are still talking

about a person, a human being, someone God created, and a soul Jesus

died to save. So as the debate roars on, remember that you're talking about

a person Jesus thought was worth dying for. A person, who just like you and

me is in need of the hope and satisfaction found only in Christ. It's easy to

throw stones, but throwing stones never saved anyone. Do you really want

to be like Jesus? Then pray for Jenner and put down your rocks.


“It is the Holy Spirit’s job to convict, God’s job to judge, and my job to love.” – Billy Graham

[Guest]

This is a Christian Nation! Count The Christian Churches! Christians Are Not

In The News Because We Do Not Behead People And Have Found The

Satisfaction Only Christ Can Give -

Clayton Jennings says it best


Clayton Jennings

"Bruce Jenner is a man!"

"Bruce Jenner is a woman!"

"She is Caitlyn, not Bruce!"

Since today's viral pictures of Jenner were released, I have seen and heard

a lot of arguing on the issue of being transgender. What people forget when

they debate Jenner's sex is Jenner's humanity. Guy or girl we are still talking

about a person, a human being, someone God created, and a soul Jesus

died to save. So as the debate roars on, remember that you're talking about

a person Jesus thought was worth dying for. A person, who just like you and

me is in need of the hope and satisfaction found only in Christ. It's easy to

throw stones, but throwing stones never saved anyone. Do you really want

to be like Jesus? Then pray for Jenner and put down your rocks.


“It is the Holy Spirit’s job to convict, God’s job to judge, and my job to love.” – Billy Graham

Great post - really puts it all into proper perspective. Never heard of Clayton Jennings before this so it led me to look up who he is and what he does - sounds like a very interesting young man. I do think we may see some big changes with the millennial generation and I pray they will be such that it will turn our country back in the right direction. What you quoted him as saying in your post, plus the quote by Billy Graham, are words we should all strive to live by. Thank you!

[Guest]

Great post - really puts it all into proper perspective. Never heard of Clayton Jennings before this so it led me to look up who he is and what he does - sounds like a very interesting young man. I do think we may see some big changes with the millennial generation and I pray they will be such that it will turn our country back in the right direction. What you quoted him as saying in your post, plus the quote by Billy Graham, are words we should all strive to live by. Thank you!

I love Clayton Jennings! I think he was sent for the Christians to help us

navigate these end days.

[Guest]

And now we have Bruce Jenner on covers of magazines as a woman and we wonder why our kids are screwed up. The liberal media continues to try to normalize it

[Guest]

And now we have Bruce Jenner on covers of magazines as a woman and we wonder why our kids are screwed up. The liberal media continues to try to normalize it


Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner is the first republican to ever grace the cover of Vanity Fair.

[Guest]

Yes gays come in red or blue? Who cares? Your point?

[Guest]

Yes gays come in red or blue? Who cares? Your point?

and apparently so do transgenders as well as gays.

[Guest]

I am more than weary hearing about gays and transgenders.
I am tired of seeing it in almost everything we view from news to so called entertainment.

Why is there so much visibility given to a sex change? A literal isolated incident that most of us do not care or need to know what some distorted desire is all about.

The so called normalization and acceptance of these kinds of "things" is not the act itself. But the publicity and high profile given....the Jenner litany for example. An isolated incident made to sound as if there has been a discovery made to cure all the ills of mankind. Totally without warrant.

Nobody really cares.

[Guest]

You old time conservatives can sputter, rant, and rave all you want but very soon same sex marriage will be the law of the land in the USA. Get used to it.

[Guest]

You old time conservatives can sputter, rant, and rave all you want but very soon same sex marriage will be the law of the land in the USA. Get used to it.
There are only a handful of you and all seems at home posting this gay

agenda. There are many more people who do not post because they see it

as it is ...feeble. The handful of people keep posting over and over - you my friend are not the majority!

[Guest]

There are only a handful of you and all seems at home posting this gay

agenda. There are many more people who do not post because they see it

as it is ...feeble. The handful of people keep posting over and over - you my friend are not the majority!

However, the US Supreme Court will, most likely, be handing down a decision quite soon that will make same sex marriage the law of the land.

You seem to be ignorant of the fact that there is a sizable LGBT presence in The Villages.

[Guest]

We are not ignorant of the fact. Just sick of glamorizing it. What is healthy for children is to have the mom and dad that made them , raise them. Then maybe the kids today would not be so screwed up but hey in this anything goes society we are headed in one direction, downhill

[Guest]

However, the US Supreme Court will, most likely, be handing down a decision quite soon that will make same sex marriage the law of the land.

You seem to be ignorant of the fact that there is a sizable LGBT presence in The Villages.

What do you call sizeable and who really takes pride in being married? It is

as natural as the air we breathe.

[Guest]

if it does become the law of the land so what. It is only to allow a heretofore obscure minority, outside the current legal terms of marriage to be able to have access to any benefits of legal marriages as in a man and a woman.

Other than the special interest groups and politicians who stand to benefit.....nobody else really cares.

Most of us just object to the ongoing litany and in our face behavior day in and day out. Especially when there are far, far more pressing issues facing us as a people and a nation.

[Guest]

And now we have Bruce Jenner on covers of magazines as a woman and we wonder why our kids are screwed up. The liberal media continues to try to normalize it

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The liberal media...this cracks me up. Bruce Jenner has struggled with this for his/hers entire life. He tried to make the change once before, I remember because that's when his face changed, it was reported, at the time, as a failed face lift.

I don't really understand why people are transgendered but it does exist and Jenner is just the most famous person, to date, to make the change.

If our kids are screwed up it happened before Jenner came out as transgendered.

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A leading expert on transgender/ gender identity crisis said that following through with a sex change would not end the torment these folks experience.

We are told by secularist that there is no soul but the same secularist came out publicly claiming Bruce Jenner finally found his soul. So what is it? Do human beings have a soul or not.

And, if we do not have a soul then we are just material. In Bruce Jenner's case if that is so, then he/she is just material and if he/she is just material then despite what she says she is still and always will be a he because of his DNA. Beside which there has been no reassignment (interesting term) of his genitals

Bruce is making a good dollar off of all of this and the liberals/secularist are making him out to be a pioneer of pioneers.

I truly feel badly for Bruce or for any human being with these sort of issues because society, the medical community etc has not responded well. The medical community must do more to help people cope with these enormous problems and we as a society should refrain from provoking a stigma attached to it. However in that same vein the LGBT community should understand that while most of society support their right to live a normal life most will never come to believe that homosexuality is normal

I also want to advise people that ABC is promoting a program in the fall with Dan Savage that his very anti-christian and very pro-gay and sponsored by no other than Disney. Disney has lost its way as a family oriented enterprise, along with Home Depot and a very other businesses that are heavily promoting the homosexual agenda. I stopped going to Home Depot and I stopped going to Disney World

I wish no one harm .

Personal Best Regards:

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Those who play to "the homo, gay transgender movement" are doing so for personal or commercial or political gain.

Which nobody needed for the last two hundred plus years of USA evolution.

During which time the nation was headed uphill, strong and developing.

Now it is going downhill, weak and in moral decay.

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They want you to accept this as the "new normal" even though only 1.8% of the population is gay and only .4% are transgender..Make no mistake America is in decline. Today a school in Minnesota took children on a class trip to a sex shop. As we dumb down our children with no history or math lessons we promote gays, gay lifestyles, and now men who don't know what the hell they are. We put this on the cover of a magazine and the president says he is courageous. He's not courageous. Our military men and women are what you call courageous. Don't let the libs redefine our words now

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They want you to accept this as the "new normal" even though only 1.8% of the population is gay and only .4% are transgender..Make no mistake America is in decline. Today a school in Minnesota took children on a class trip to a sex shop. As we dumb down our children with no history or math lessons we promote gays, gay lifestyles, and now men who don't know what the hell they are. We put this on the cover of a magazine and the president says he is courageous. He's not courageous. Our military men and women are what you call courageous. Don't let the libs redefine our words now

Courageous men and woman do as you do and not stay silent. I know of some people who are gay and I love them but not enough to have the WORD of GOD changed to suit there idea of a marriage. Do not change my WORD. Did you ever hear of a civil union? Pride comes before the fall! They need to not change the WORD and love Jesus as the rest of us do. Christian have been silent to long!

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Courageous men and woman do as you do and not stay silent. I know of some people who are gay and I love them but not enough to have the WORD of GOD changed to suit there idea of a marriage. Do not change my WORD. Did you ever hear of a civil union? Pride comes before the fall! They need to not change the WORD and love Jesus as the rest of us do. Christian have been silent to long!

Stay angry and go to the polls PLEASE !

The minority is ruling because of stupid people who have no idea they are being manipulated.

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They want you to accept this as the "new normal" even though only 1.8% of the population is gay and only .4% are transgender..Make no mistake America is in decline. Today a school in Minnesota took children on a class trip to a sex shop. As we dumb down our children with no history or math lessons we promote gays, gay lifestyles, and now men who don't know what the hell they are. We put this on the cover of a magazine and the president says he is courageous. He's not courageous. Our military men and women are what you call courageous. Don't let the libs redefine our words now

1. The school in Minnesota was a private school with no grades or assignments.
2. No history or math lessons in school? Let's see realistic backup on this charge.
3. You do not think there are gays in the military serving right next to straight soldiers?

You are living in the 21st century. Deal with it. You are being passed by and your voice and vote does not mean anything anymore. Younger, progressive voices and votes have taken your place. Nothing you can do about progress except to stand aside or you will be run over.

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1. The school in Minnesota was a private school with no grades or assignments.
2. No history or math lessons in school? Let's see realistic backup on this charge.
3. You do not think there are gays in the military serving right next to straight soldiers?

You are living in the 21st century. Deal with it. You are being passed by and your voice and vote does not mean anything anymore. Younger, progressive voices and votes have taken your place. Nothing you can do about progress except to stand aside or you will be run over.

WOW - Why such a threatening tone in your posts? I have to ask - you keep mentioning young and younger which makes me think you are the author of the "grumpy old white men" posts. I happen to be a younger female on this forum and I don't relate to your posts at all. I do however relate to the posts of those that you oppose so vehemently. So I'm just wondering, who is this vast majority of which you speak? I think you may have also used this terminology......."wishful dreaming"?

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WOW - Why such a threatening tone in your posts? I have to ask - you keep mentioning young and younger which makes me think you are the author of the "grumpy old white men" posts. I happen to be a younger female on this forum and I don't relate to your posts at all. I do however relate to the posts of those that you oppose so vehemently. So I'm just wondering, who is this vast majority of which you speak? I think you may have also used this terminology......."wishful dreaming"?

Absolutely no threatening tone was intended. My apology if you perceived that way.
The demographics for the Democratic party are most younger voters, most college educated men and women, most minorities, and the Republicans have the mostly older white male voters. That is just a fact - not name calling or being sexist.
If you are voting in a different way than your demographic group, it is entirely your constitutional right to do so. Go for it!

Wishful dreaming? I would not call it that. This is the 21st century. Times have changed since the 1950's and life has evolved. You cannot be regressive. Progress changes the world even though some would want to regress.

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I offer for consideration, this view of progress VS regress.

I do not accept the premise to disagree with select progresses is automativally cast as regress.....and I am not stating that is what is being done, in all cases, but is very often.

For example, choosing what I view as a difficult one, moral decay.
For many of us the permissiveness of what is or is not allowed today on almost any aspect of sex compared to when most of us were in high school (or pick a time that suits you better).

For me, to disagree with the anything goes, anything can be said or done as much in public communications as in private....including media of all kinds, with almost no restrictions anymore, IS NOT, not accepting progress.

A simpler example? Comparing TV of the year 2000 VS TV of today. There are many issues of today that are not viewed as positive by many residents who have been here 10 or more years ago. That, to me is not regress.

To categorize most of the dislikes of today as regression is just a convenient pigeon holing of a give subject for the sole purpose of presenting one's point of view. Muchly (a word?) abused, in my opinion.

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Absolutely no threatening tone was intended. My apology if you perceived that way.
The demographics for the Democratic party are most younger voters, most college educated men and women, most minorities, and the Republicans have the mostly older white male voters. That is just a fact - not name calling or being sexist.
If you are voting in a different way than your demographic group, it is entirely your constitutional right to do so. Go for it!

Wishful dreaming? I would not call it that. This is the 21st century. Times have changed since the 1950's and life has evolved. You cannot be regressive. Progress changes the world even though some would want to regress.

The change you seek is no morals. You are not the 1st people in the human

race to think you know more that the billions of people before you. The

cities of Sodom and Gomorrah did not follow GOD and we all know what

happened there. You are so intelligent than you must of read the Holy Bible

- Right? # one book ever put out - and the laws set in there are to help us

to be happy without pain - GOD is love and if you really want to be

enlightened you will read the Holy Bible.

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Absolutely no threatening tone was intended. My apology if you perceived that way.
The demographics for the Democratic party are most younger voters, most college educated men and women, most minorities, and the Republicans have the mostly older white male voters. That is just a fact - not name calling or being sexist.
If you are voting in a different way than your demographic group, it is entirely your constitutional right to do so. Go for it!

Wishful dreaming? I would not call it that. This is the 21st century. Times have changed since the 1950's and life has evolved. You cannot be regressive. Progress changes the world even though some would want to regress.

I appreciate your explanation. So difficult when discussing these types of issues in writing versus face-to-face to not sometimes mistake the tone of a response. We certainly are not on the same wave length politically, and I probably do not put as much value on polls, etc, as you do, but being able to discuss our differences, perhaps learn from each other, and maybe even find some common ground along the way is always a good thing.

Take the word "progress" for example. I think it is a very overused and misused term by the left to put others in a negative light. The dictionary definition of progress is as follows -
forward or onward movement toward a destination (noun); move forward or onward in space or time (verb).
Obviously, we are all progressing. The question becomes, to what end? Do I want a better life for my children and grandchildren? Do I want our nation/our world to be kinder and gentler? I bet we can both agree the answer is yes to both of those questions. The difference comes in the how. For me, to have to give up my moral/religious/you name it values to subscribe to what you may consider as progress, I consider an assault on me and others who may think as I do. Believe it or not, most sound Christians (for lack of a better description), don't look at gays/homosexuals in the negative light that many liberals project. We look at them as people, individuals, often family and friends. It's the in your face, we're going to change the whole culture of the country, and the majority be damned attitude that is disconcerting. I could go on, but this post is probably already too long.

In the meantime, I thank you for your reply and the opportunity to discuss.........:wave:

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The change you seek is no morals. You are not the 1st people in the human

race to think you know more that the billions of people before you. The

cities of Sodom and Gomorrah did not follow GOD and we all know what

happened there. You are so intelligent than you must of read the Holy Bible

- Right? # one book ever put out - and the laws set in there are to help us

to be happy without pain - GOD is love and if you really want to be

enlightened you will read the Holy Bible.

I will not argue religion with you. However, I hope you do not take everything in the Old Testament to be historically or scientifically accurate. If so, you do not believe in evolution and you believe that the earth is about 6,000 years old.

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I will not argue religion with you. However, I hope you do not take everything in the Old Testament to be historically or scientifically accurate. If so, you do not believe in evolution and you believe that the earth is about 6,000 years old.

The WORD is the truth and GOD has intended for us to read it. - Remember

this that Jesus is the WORD and he was made flesh.

Concerning evolution I know in the Holy Bible it states a day is as a

thousand years so maybe there is something to it.

I wish everyone would put down their crappy reads and read the manual for

us. You will see so many people quoting something they say is from the

WORD and it is not. Pick up the most amazing book ever wrote and read it

and you will be very enlightened.

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The WORD is the truth and GOD has intended for us to read it. - Remember

this that Jesus is the WORD and he was made flesh.

Concerning evolution I know in the Holy Bible it states a day is as a

thousand years so maybe there is something to it.

I wish everyone would put down their crappy reads and read the manual for

us. You will see so many people quoting something they say is from the

WORD and it is not. Pick up the most amazing book ever wrote and read it

and you will be very enlightened.

Can't do it in 20 minutes

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