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Federal court overturned Obama's amnesty. Great breaking news

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obama has a big "L" on his forehead LOSER

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Federal court overturned Obama's amnesty. Great breaking news

One can only hope that now there can be meaningful discussion on a very complicated issue.

I wish the President and others would realize that there are so many layers to this particular issue. Now it appears any discussion will be within the framework of the 2016 election, not exactly the correct mode.

It will also have as a backdrop, the open border policy of this administration. As of today's news, people are simply flowing over the borders, many if not most doing drug cartel business.

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obama has a big "L" on his forehead LOSER

The tension in the world is simply suffocating.

The Middle East is in a shambles, and the largest supporter of terrorism with our support emerges as as leader. The threat of ISIL has now spread to Africa, where little girls have been taken by a group now aligned with ISIL, Russia is literally hiding dead Ukranians that they killed in mobile crematoriums according to Bloomberg news, China has now said, while discounting world war, will fight the USA wherever necessary as tensions escalate over possessions in South China Sea (Japan and Australia will join war games with USA as a result), North Korea, again announcing progress with their nukes, ISIL saying they are searching for nukes and specifically mention the USA as targets,

AND people continue to stream over our borders.


This is an interesting piece on borders..

https://bangordailynews.com/2015/05/25/opinion/contributors/despite-border-patrols-best-efforts-our-border-is-still-wide-open/

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The tension in the world is simply suffocating.

The Middle East is in a shambles, and the largest supporter of terrorism with our support emerges as as leader. The threat of ISIL has now spread to Africa, where little girls have been taken by a group now aligned with ISIL, Russia is literally hiding dead Ukranians that they killed in mobile crematoriums according to Bloomberg news, China has now said, while discounting world war, will fight the USA wherever necessary as tensions escalate over possessions in South China Sea (Japan and Australia will join war games with USA as a result), North Korea, again announcing progress with their nukes, ISIL saying they are searching for nukes and specifically mention the USA as targets,

AND people continue to stream over our borders.


This is an interesting piece on borders..

https://bangordailynews.com/2015/05/25/opinion/contributors/despite-border-patrols-best-efforts-our-border-is-still-wide-open/

You forgot the most important issue by far .... the critical question is how is Obama's golf game these days??

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I respect HW Bush because he accepted the information from advisors that going into Iraq after the First Gulf War would result in a civil war. "W" got Gulf War 2 going and after Billions of $ and thousands of US lives this nightmare is still going on. Obama wouldn't be stuck in this blame game if this ongoing war hadn't been supported by Congress.
Thanks to our love affair with China and Russia in the form of jobs and technology transfers we have been able to be BFF with both countries. We may need a Republican President. If he is a sabre rattler we better start the Draft as soon as possible.
In the First Gulf War more military died from accidents (155) than combat. The Second Gulf War which destabilized the Middle East has 4000 US killed and counting. I believe some of those deaths occured under a Republican President supported by Congress.
Of course its all Obama's fault.

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I respect HW Bush because he accepted the information from advisors that going into Iraq after the First Gulf War would result in a civil war. "W" got Gulf War 2 going and after Billions of $ and thousands of US lives this nightmare is still going on. Obama wouldn't be stuck in this blame game if this ongoing war hadn't been supported by Congress.
Thanks to our love affair with China and Russia in the form of jobs and technology transfers we have been able to be BFF with both countries. We may need a Republican President. If he is a sabre rattler we better start the Draft as soon as possible.
In the First Gulf War more military died from accidents (155) than combat. The Second Gulf War which destabilized the Middle East has 4000 US killed and counting. I believe some of those deaths occured under a Republican President supported by Congress.
Of course its all Obama's fault.

After your weak attempt at satire ... .and at the end of the day you still have to recognize the obvious don;'t you?

1. Iraq was more or less stable in 2011.
2. Then Obama pulled the American Military out and ISIS filled the vacuum.
3. Iran is on the march and soon to get a nuke
4. The ISIS Caliphate is on the march.
5. China is on the rise in power
6. We know the story with Russia ... Putin knows a patsy when he sees one.

Bottom line: US foreign policy is aflame, much of it self inflicted. We have a President who won't or can't lead. We are being put at risk and most especially our kids and grandkids are.

Unless we get a real leader in there, it's pretty much lights out for America over the next 10-20 years. But, no worries, you have your pension, resentments and tee time, right?

One more thing ... when you end up voting for Hillary, keep telling yourself why the world's a mess due to Bush, and not the former Secretary of State who was busy selling influence for $200M.

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It might be good for posters to actually read what happened and not say that the Federal court overturned the President's immigration policy.

A Federal appeals judge, appointed by GW Bush, issued a temporary injunction on the halting of deportation of certain immigrants.

Just a political move by a Republican judge that will get overturned soon.

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You are exactly right. The Republican judge is just trying to make a name for himself as "the judge who overturned the President".

As you said, it is a temporary injunction and will most likely by taken care of in a higher court ruling.

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Isn't "Republican Judge" or "Democrat Judge" both an oxymoron? No judge should have any political favoritism. Politics have no place in our courts.

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Unfortunately there are far too many examples where politics, race, special interest groups are what drives the judicial system.
Front and center example, Ferguson!
Chicago.
NYC

Just to name a few at the top.
Unfortunately the judicial systems are becoming nothing more than a politically polarized system.

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It might be good for posters to actually read what happened and not say that the Federal court overturned the President's immigration policy.

A Federal appeals judge, appointed by GW Bush, issued a temporary injunction on the halting of deportation of certain immigrants.

Just a political move by a Republican judge that will get overturned soon.


Next stop will be the Supreme Court, but this may (probably) won't happen until after President Obama leaves office. Whichever party passes comprehensive immigration reform will win the White House.

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Next stop will be the Supreme Court, but this may (probably) won't happen until after President Obama leaves office. Whichever party passes comprehensive immigration reform will win the White House.

Let us hope that the party crap becomes history, and we get immigration reform from the congress with the WH on board.

This attitude of making everything about the party is destroying us.

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Let us hope that the party crap becomes history, and we get immigration reform from the congress with the WH on board.

This attitude of making everything about the party is destroying us.

The Tea Party ... Your demonizations aside- is all about constitutional government vs dishonest authoritarian rule ... let's hope we can save our country from people too selfish or stupid to appreciate living in America

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It might be good for posters to actually read what happened and not say that the Federal court overturned the President's immigration policy.

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Just a political move by a Republican judge that will get overturned soon.

When a judge actually rules on the law you say it's political?

Does that apply to Democrat judges as well ?

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When a judge actually rules on the law you say it's political?

Does that apply to Democrat judges as well ?

The judge intreprets the law as to his way of thinking. Yes, it is political in many cases. Yes, that applies to Democrat judges as well.

Look at the judge's ruling on the case of the Cleveland cop who jumped on the hood of a car and fired 15 shots directly through the windshield and killed the two people inside. You do not think that judge interpreted that into his own way of thinking?

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Did you actually bother to read what happened? Your post is nonsensical - try reading what actually happened in the appeals court yesterday.

You are exactly right. The Republican judge is just trying to make a name for himself as "the judge who overturned the President".

As you said, it is a temporary injunction and will most likely by taken care of in a higher court ruling.

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Did you actually bother to read what happened? Your post is nonsensical - try reading what actually happened in the appeals court yesterday.

I actually had looked at the wrong one. However, yesterday, the Appeals Court majority judges were both Republicans. Smith appointed by Reagan and Elrod by GW Bush. Same case outcome, both Republican appointees.

A setback but not a defeat by any means.

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I generally try to avoid accusing people of misfeasance. You might want to consider doing this also.

I actually had looked at the wrong one. However, yesterday, the Appeals Court majority judges were both Republicans. Smith appointed by Reagan and Elrod by GW Bush. Same case outcome, both Republican appointees.

A setback but not a defeat by any means.

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Let us hope that the party crap becomes history, and we get immigration reform from the congress with the WH on board.

This attitude of making everything about the party is destroying us.

The senate actually passed a comprehensive immigration bill back in 2012, that enjoyed huge bi-partisan support, but Speaker Boehner would never allow this bill to come to the floor for a vote, where it would have passed overwhelmingly. That bill died when that congress ended.

So you see, it was one political party that killed immigration reform in 2012.


I actually had looked at the wrong one. However, yesterday, the Appeals Court majority judges were both Republicans. Smith appointed by Reagan and Elrod by GW Bush. Same case outcome, both Republican appointees.

A setback but not a defeat by any means.


This ruling will make immigration reform advocates more determined than ever to elect a president and congress that will pass comprehensive immigration reform.

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There was not a majority of Republicans supporting the bill. Typically, bills are not brought up for vote without a majority of the majority party in favor of the bill. That is the way the House works. You might want to do a little homework in the future. The members of the House, by and large, reflect the views of their constituents.

You might want to check on how much legislation Reid suppressed in the Senate.


The senate actually passed a comprehensive immigration bill back in 2012, that enjoyed huge bi-partisan support, but Speaker Boehner would never allow this bill to come to the floor for a vote, where it would have passed overwhelmingly. That bill died when that congress ended.

So you see, it was one political party that killed immigration reform in 2012.





This ruling will make immigration reform advocates more determined than ever to elect a president and congress that will pass comprehensive immigration reform.

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The senate actually passed a comprehensive immigration bill back in 2012, that enjoyed huge bi-partisan support, but Speaker Boehner would never allow this bill to come to the floor for a vote, where it would have passed overwhelmingly. That bill died when that congress ended.

So you see, it was one political party that killed immigration reform in 2012.





This ruling will make immigration reform advocates more determined than ever to elect a president and congress that will pass comprehensive immigration reform.

We all want immigration reform. Some of us are against Obama's open door and illegal give always.

For example closing the border now. Stop allowing mass illegal immigration now!

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The senate actually passed a comprehensive immigration bill back in 2012, that enjoyed huge bi-partisan support, but Speaker Boehner would never allow this bill to come to the floor for a vote, where it would have passed overwhelmingly. That bill died when that congress ended.

So you see, it was one political party that killed immigration reform in 2012.

Actually, now that you have one side of the story, and it is ONE side and it is a STORY, I suggest you revisit this and look up facts. Sen Reid and the WH were very much aware of what they were doing here.

As I have said before, our President is one of the best politicians ever, but this country needs leadership and not fancy politics.

This bill, should you spend the time to check was a sham intended for one thing...political gain, ie. convincing you that someone else is the bad guy !

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There was not a majority of Republicans supporting the bill. Typically, bills are not brought up for vote without a majority of the majority party in favor of the bill. That is the way the House works. You might want to do a little homework in the future. The members of the House, by and large, reflect the views of their constituents.

You might want to check on how much legislation Reid suppressed in the Senate.


We'll never know will we, if the bill would have become law or not because Speaker Boehner would not bring it to the floor for an up or down vote? There have been times in this congress when Boehner had to rely on democrats to get certain bills passed.

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We'll never know will we, if the bill would have become law or not because Speaker Boehner would not bring it to the floor for an up or down vote? There have been times in this congress when Boehner had to rely on democrats to get certain bills passed.

John Boehner or most likely anybelse will not ever lock up and block as many bills as Harry Reid.

We all know his job was to keep anything Obama might not like from going anywhere.

That is not just a democratic prerogative now is it?

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It is not about political affiliation its about a man who supposedly centered his education on Constitutional Law and has done nothing but ignore and abuse it for the last 6.5 years. The founding fathers had good cause to insist on a separation of powers and for you history buffs something that almost did not come to pass. People do not really understand how fragile democracy is. Its a thin line between democracy and anarchy.

The battle between the federal government and states has been ongoing since settlers first arrived in America.

The immigration issue today is more than just about our neighbors on our southern borders. We have enemies who continue to infiltrate our society legally and illegally and we need a stronger and smarter immigration policy to filter these pretenders.

But how can we when both Republicans and Democrats act like a bunch of love sick teenagers trying to get attention and favor of Hispanic voters and potential future Hispanic voters. Let me digress for a second and explain that with the 2012 election I wondered out loud why the Republican and Democrats were courting favor with only Hispanic voters and completely ignoring the Asian voters?

The latest stats indicate that Asian are the largest immigration group and have been for sometime.

so most importantly what this issue is about is a twofold protection, our Constitution and protecting our borders forget Obama, forget Boehner, focus on what Congress is going to do about those protections?

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Write your Senators, congressmen/women and demand they end the Keystone Kops routines and get down to the serious business we pay them to do

This world is becoming more and more a very dangerous place


Personal Best Regards:

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We'll never know will we, if the bill would have become law or not because Speaker Boehner would not bring it to the floor for an up or down vote? There have been times in this congress when Boehner had to rely on democrats to get certain bills passed.

It is almost overwhelming that someone would post something like this.

Boehner made it clear from the get go it would not be brought up and to bring it up after watching Sen Reid mangle the senate for so many long years that even his democratic senators grew weary and tired of his antic. So many bills that had total bipartisan support...almost all democrats, but OPPOSED by the WH never even got to the floor and he did it for years. The New York Times even got sick of it and called the democrats on it, and that is quite something.

Point is another of the tactics has been ingrained in your head. Have the Republicans done things wrong......in my opinions, yep. BUT do not make yourself look so bad bringing up something like this, especially with your tone.

This is public knowledge and only a true partisan, party person would even say what you said.

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Facts: The senate passed a bi-partisan comprehensive immigration reform bill. The president said he would sign it. The house, under Speaker John Boehner's leadership, never voted on said bill.

Hillary Clinton has come out in favor of a pathway to citizenship, now we will have to wait to see what positions the 19 or 20 GOP candidates take.

Then we will have to wait another year and five months to see what direction the voters in this country want to take on immigration reform.

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You really have no clue as to how Washington works. The world is grey but you should stick with your black and white view of things as it seems to suit you well.

We'll never know will we, if the bill would have become law or not because Speaker Boehner would not bring it to the floor for an up or down vote? There have been times in this congress when Boehner had to rely on democrats to get certain bills passed.

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Facts: The senate passed a bi-partisan comprehensive immigration reform bill. The president said he would sign it. The house, under Speaker John Boehner's leadership, never voted on said bill.

Hillary Clinton has come out in favor of a pathway to citizenship, now we will have to wait to see what positions the 19 or 20 GOP candidates take.

Then we will have to wait another year and five months to see what direction the voters in this country want to take on immigration reform.

Oh if only the world were this simple.

Bill passed by Senate June 2013. Bill NEVER EVER sent to the senate by Harry Reid. Why would he do that, because it is a violation of the constitution that says all spending bills must begin in the house. This is and was a HUGE spending bill.

He held the bill and then asked the President to bypass congress and make the proclamation.

Now, did the Republicans make a crucial error...maybe, but the ONLY option they had was to introduce their own bill....the constitution would not allow the Senate bill to be voted on by the House.

Recall it is now election time and that is what this was. Please do not paint it with colors it does not deserve. The House was not going to start a process to spend oodles of money and give total amnesty right before any election and the Democrats knew that. The Republicans in the Senate were on the record now and ready to go for reelection, and the WH and Democrats had all their ammo to attack.

Sad, but true.....politics is NOT about the Democrats did good and the Republicans did bad...so there, nor visa versa, but they have you making these statements with no research and you are making them on the PARTY'S terms and not based in reality.

We need comprehensive immigration reform...but as the house and most Republicans have been pretty steady on...it starts with the border. I do not think many on either side are opposed to a PATH to LEGAL STATUS..not citizenship but legal status.

I hope both sides can put all this partisan stuff aside and get to work, but do not insult us with the democratic talking points without knowing exactly why it happened.

You only hear what you are saying by the hard nose party people. It was an expected outcome and all part of the "game" of which most of us are weary

I do admit that the debate on immigration reform will be interesting to say the least. COST is a huge factor as is border security. I think it has to be done in the correct order of things and not some speed up to get votes on either side.

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After your weak attempt at satire ... .and at the end of the day you still have to recognize the obvious don;'t you?

1. Iraq was more or less stable in 2011.
2. Then Obama pulled the American Military out and ISIS filled the vacuum.
3. Iran is on the march and soon to get a nuke
4. The ISIS Caliphate is on the march.
5. China is on the rise in power
6. We know the story with Russia ... Putin knows a patsy when he sees one.

Bottom line: US foreign policy is aflame, much of it self inflicted. We have a President who won't or can't lead. We are being put at risk and most especially our kids and grandkids are.

Unless we get a real leader in there, it's pretty much lights out for America over the next 10-20 years. But, no worries, you have your pension, resentments and tee time, right?

One more thing ... when you end up voting for Hillary, keep telling yourself why the world's a mess due to Bush, and not the former Secretary of State who was busy selling influence for $200M.

Another Fox Noise listener... Bush got us into the war and declared "Mission Accomplished" for all to see. But alas it wasn't true. His administration set the pull out dates and the government of Iraq would not extend the pull out date, something they now regret.

Got any proof that Hillary was selling influence or just another right wing hack job. I just saw, in a weekly newspaper, that Hillary moved Vince Fosters body...you didn't mention that!

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Another Fox Noise listener... Bush got us into the war and declared "Mission Accomplished" for all to see. But alas it wasn't true. His administration set the pull out dates and the government of Iraq would not extend the pull out date, something they now regret.

Got any proof that Hillary was selling influence or just another right wing hack job. I just saw, in a weekly newspaper, that Hillary moved Vince Fosters body...you didn't mention that!

This thread is about immigration.

And while some of your facts are accurate, they lack context, but bottom line is, as I have been told....stay on thread subject.

Why do trolls need to use insulting and snide language. Is it beyond their grasp to make a case without the flames vocabulary. These are the same folks who do not even read, but feel obligated to deman posters, sources, etc. it is sad.

As stated., around the wise acre remarks, you have solid facts, and I do not contradict any of them. I would suggest you read a bit about the Arab Spring, about the comments by Gates in 2011. Everything you say is correct, but exclude that the Iraq leaders got caught up in the Arab Spring. Our leadership knew we should stay, but did not push it at all, for which I do not blame them at all. So I agree but most of our leaders had come to grips with us staying there as a stabilization factor.

See, I even agreed with those you feel never make mistakes, but again the thread is or was about immigration.

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Another Fox Noise listener... Bush got us into the war and declared "Mission Accomplished" for all to see. But alas it wasn't true. His administration set the pull out dates and the government of Iraq would not extend the pull out date, something they now regret.

Got any proof that Hillary was selling influence or just another right wing hack job. I just saw, in a weekly newspaper, that Hillary moved Vince Fosters body...you didn't mention that!

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