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TOTV Team
06-01-2015, 07:15 PM
Here is a nice brochure for visitors and new residents of The Villages Florida on navigating the Roundabouts.
TOTV Team
tedquick
06-01-2015, 08:38 PM
Thanks, admin. Even doing "as they say", I always assume someone is likely to hit me, so I watch every vehicle/person/bike/cart/whatever that is anywhere near me.
Fred R
06-02-2015, 06:32 AM
A good read. The first time a person navigates them they can be frightening but after a day or so they are easy. It is very simple..... slow down, be courteous, and watch those around you.
Pointer
06-02-2015, 06:46 AM
Wow THANKS!!! I printed this out for when company comes. Much easier then trying to explain.
Average Guy
06-02-2015, 07:03 AM
I picked up one of these brochures near the entrance at Seabreeze a few weeks ago.
JMEZARIC3
06-02-2015, 07:58 AM
Here is a nice brochure for visitors and new residents of The Villages Florida on navigating the Roundabouts.
TOTV Team
Why do some roundabouts have two lanes at 6:00 o'clock and 12:00 o'clock and other roundabouts only have one lane?I think that having one lane at 6 and 12 o'clock is safer.
Polar Bear
06-02-2015, 11:56 AM
Why do some roundabouts have two lanes at 6:00 o'clock and 12:00 o'clock and other roundabouts only have one lane?I think that having one lane at 6 and 12 o'clock is safer.
If I understand your question properly, I believe the one lane segments lead to one lane intersecting roads if you exit there.
bikeman
03-07-2016, 04:43 PM
This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,
58250
Polar Bear
03-07-2016, 05:06 PM
...The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle?...
If there had been a collision, the officer would have had something to investigate.
photo1902
03-07-2016, 06:24 PM
This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,
58250
"make a call telling them they are being watched" Are you kidding me?
VApeople
03-29-2016, 07:08 AM
our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again.
That is an interesting comment. Do the traffic laws apply to groups of vehicles or do they only apply to individual vehicles?
I drive a car and really try to obey the laws. If I am with a group of cars and the sign says STOP, then each of us has to stop. Just because the first car stops and then proceeds forward, it does not mean the following cars do not have to stop.
Did each of the individual bike riders stop at the intersection before going forward?
outlaw
03-29-2016, 08:09 AM
That is an interesting comment. Do the traffic laws apply to groups of vehicles or do they only apply to individual vehicles?
I drive a car and really try to obey the laws. If I am with a group of cars and the sign says STOP, then each of us has to stop. Just because the first car stops and then proceeds forward, it does not mean the following cars do not have to stop.
Did each of the individual bike riders stop at the intersection before going forward?
I think we know the answer to that....
dillywho
03-29-2016, 09:27 AM
This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,
58250
Are you saying that he intentionally tried to mow you down? I don't think so. As I understand it, unless you were exiting right onto El Camino, you were in the wrong lane and cutting across his exit. If he did not, he should have been signaling that he was exiting. The SUV is not allowed to change lanes once in the roundabout or stop. Vehicles already in the roundabout have the right of way. Vehicles are not required to stop there to see what bicyclists might do, either. Anyone should always signal their intent when exiting, as well. Do the bikers just cruise on around until their exit and then keep going out of the roundabout or do they signal that they are exiting? If not, they should.
dbussone
03-29-2016, 10:12 AM
Are you saying that he intentionally tried to mow you down? I don't think so. As I understand it, unless you were exiting right onto El Camino, you were in the wrong lane and cutting across his exit. If he did not, he should have been signaling that he was exiting. The SUV is not allowed to change lanes once in the roundabout or stop. Vehicles already in the roundabout have the right of way. Vehicles are not required to stop there to see what bicyclists might do, either. Anyone should always signal their intent when exiting, as well. Do the bikers just cruise on around until their exit and then keep going out of the roundabout or do they signal that they are exiting? If not, they should.
I don't ride bicycles anymore, and I don't know the practices of the group in question. What I can say is that, from my experiences here in TV, the bicyclists are very clear with their signals in rotaries. I would also say that they use the proper lanes in the rotary, given their plans to exit. I try to be extremely cautious about them in the rotaries, particularly because of the difficulty in observing those on recumbent bikes. If I could only get them to use 2x4 flags instead of those dinky orange triangles. It would be much easier to see them.
Charlie Slater
05-23-2016, 04:41 AM
I think it is called "lane discipline" stick to your lane and you will be fine. Here in the UK we have "orbital" roundabouts where you get one main roundabout with six to eight small roundabouts around it. Each small roundabout has two or three lanes on and off. They really are fun !
RickeyD
05-23-2016, 07:15 AM
I think it is called "lane discipline" stick to your lane and you will be fine. Here in the UK we have "orbital" roundabouts where you get one main roundabout with six to eight small roundabouts around it. Each small roundabout has two or three lanes on and off. They really are fun !
The reason you won the Battle of Britain.
ColdNoMore
05-23-2016, 07:37 AM
When using the roundabouts, I go by a simple philosophy.
"Everyone is trying to run into me."
I then act accordingly.
'Defensive driving' is wholly inadequate to explain how I approach these free-for-all zones.
'Paranoid defense driving' is much more accurate. :p
JoMar
05-23-2016, 03:50 PM
This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,
58250
Officer Wills might need a refresher course on FL license plates....:). The Police have no interest in most things unless there is physical contact or injuries. They don't see non-enforcement as part of the problem.
VApeople
06-11-2016, 10:40 AM
We have only been here a few weeks so we are figuring out how to deal with the roundabouts. We are in Osceola Hills, so to drive north on Morse or Buena Vista we go through a lot of roundabouts. I have decided to do it like this.
If I plan to go straight through the next roundabout, I drive at 35 mph in the left lane. When I reach the roundabout, I get in the inside lane, go past the first turn that goes to the right, and then take the next exit to continue on Morse or Buena Vista.
At first I was always staying in the right lane to go around the roundabout, but since I drive slowly, I was afraid of someone on my left cutting me off. Being in the left lane, I now don't have to worry about that.
Of course, if I plan to turn right at the next roundabout, I drive in the right lane before the roundabout and then just turn right. I guess everyone does it this way.
rubicon
06-11-2016, 12:58 PM
This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,
58250
bikeman: I have another opinion as to why the sheriff refused your
request. He was faced with a "he says she says" scenario what did you expect the sheriff to do?
There has been more than sufficient discussion about round a bouts here in The Villages so your group should be aware of the dangers.
Polar Bear
06-11-2016, 01:18 PM
...I have another opinion as to why the sheriff refused your request. He was faced with a "he says she says" scenario what did you expect the sheriff to do?...
Agree.
Imagine if you could simply call a LEO and sic that officer onto somebody at your whim with no physical evidence.
ColdNoMore
06-11-2016, 08:22 PM
Agree.
Imagine if you could simply call a LEO and sic that officer onto somebody at your whim with no physical evidence.
Not to even mention, going through the effort to post a photo of someone's license plate/vehicle and asking others to identify them (without any proof of what really happened) smacks of being pretty creepy and potentially a libel case for the auto driver.
And if they did/do find out who this person was/is, especially after already calling law enforcement who took no action, exactly what is the intent of the biker group once they have the info?
Pretty weird and creepy in my book.
mikemalloy
06-11-2016, 09:52 PM
Before you enter every circle there is a sign showing you which lanes you should use depending on which lane you enter the circle. If you enter in the right lane you can turn right or go straight through. If you enter in the left lane you can go straight or turn left. A number of times I've almost been in an accident because someone in the right lane enters the circle and turns left. Watch the eastbound cars on Stillwater entering the circle at Morse. 80% of them end up turning left even though a car in the left lane had the right to go straight. Putting up those green signs before the traffic circles was a waste of time and money.
John_W
06-12-2016, 08:24 AM
Before you enter every circle there is a sign showing you which lanes you should use depending on which lane you enter the circle. If you enter in the right lane you can turn right or go straight through. If you enter in the left lane you can go straight or turn left. A number of times I've almost been in an accident because someone in the right lane enters the circle and turns left. Watch the eastbound cars on Stillwater entering the circle at Morse. 80% of them end up turning left even though a car in the left lane had the right to go straight. Putting up those green signs before the traffic circles was a waste of time and money.
Also when westbound on Stillwater and you approach Buena Vista there are two lanes. The right lane is right turn only since there is no straight street exit. That right turn will take you north on Buena Vista. The left lane is for the traffic circle and will lead you to BV southbound. I've seen almost everytime a car in the right lane not make the right turn, but will enter the traffic circle sometimes driving parallel to the car in the left lane.
Right lane Stillwater at Buena Vista add this painted arrow to road surface.
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/172222809-right-turn-only-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=2mOHtny6gjDWFFkVQmj2My%2FCJ1UphogDKI48RxfcA7kICr QaaNnqv5%2BwfWQ8Oem9orsnBn3TadCLwOem%2FPLuYw%3D%3D
Left lane at Stillwater arrow indicated straight traffic headed into the traffic circle.
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4bdbd75a9f304ea09b2e081d1fa7f311/arrow-on-the-asphalt-go-ahead-go-straight-traffic-sign-painted-on-d5290c.jpg
Bogie Shooter
06-12-2016, 09:11 AM
Before you enter every circle there is a sign showing you which lanes you should use depending on which lane you enter the circle. If you enter in the right lane you can turn right or go straight through. If you enter in the left lane you can go straight or turn left. A number of times I've almost been in an accident because someone in the right lane enters the circle and turns left. Watch the eastbound cars on Stillwater entering the circle at Morse. 80% of them end up turning left even though a car in the left lane had the right to go straight. Putting up those green signs before the traffic circles was a waste of time and money.
I think there had to be some benefit. Many motorist actually read road signs.
What would you suggest in place of the signs?
2BNTV
06-12-2016, 09:46 AM
When entering a roundabout, I always assume the person on my right, might go three quarters around to make their turn and then drive accordingly.
By keeping far enough behind the person on my right, has saved me from getting into an accident. I slipped up once and the person on my right, was forced to go to the next roundabout, as they realized they had made a mistake.
Florida is a state where even if your not at fault, your insurance will go up. :(
It pays not to be in a rush and to drive defensively.
I should follow my own advice. :smiley:
VApeople
06-12-2016, 10:12 AM
When entering a roundabout, I always assume the person on my right, might go three quarters around to make their turn and then drive accordingly.
Yes, that is exactly what I will to do when driving in the inside lane of a roundabout. If a person in the outside lane is in front of me, I will not assume they are going to turn right.
ColdNoMore
06-12-2016, 12:56 PM
Yes, that is exactly what I will to do when driving in the inside lane of a roundabout. If a person in the outside lane is in front of me, I will not assume they are going to turn right.
Exactly. :thumbup:
And that is the reason I have gotten in the habit of using my turn signal (right hand) when on the inside lane and plan on exiting in the left lane, on the other side of the roundabout.
I don't trust that outside lane driver is going to turn right and in fact, the dotted line separating the lanes in the roundabout in a lot of areas allows them to go straight (continue around the circle) legally.
However, if they go straight and I'm turning...things could turn out badly. :(
gadaboutgal
06-12-2016, 07:54 PM
It's so simple! Just watch the lines on the road. You never cross a solid white line, you only cross a dotted line when it is clear. If "they" would just post signs to that effect, then maybe not so many accidents.
However, I also do not trust the other drivers and drive defensively watching for those who won't/don't pay attention to the lanes and lines.
Marathon Man
06-13-2016, 07:28 AM
Yes, that is exactly what I will to do when driving in the inside lane of a roundabout. If a person in the outside lane is in front of me, I will not assume they are going to turn right.
And you should not make that assumption.
As we all know, someone entering in the right lane who intends to take the second exit will correctly pass the first exit. To me, that is really no different than someone incorrectly passing two exits.
Keep a close eye on all other cars, and use turn signals.
Mikeod
06-13-2016, 07:34 AM
It's so simple! Just watch the lines on the road. You never cross a solid white line, you only cross a dotted line when it is clear. If "they" would just post signs to that effect, then maybe not so many accidents.
However, I also do not trust the other drivers and drive defensively watching for those who won't/don't pay attention to the lanes and lines.
Ah, but the lines are part of the problem. Look at this picture of the Morse/Stillwater RAB. If you follow the broken lines, there is no reason why a driver in the outside lane cannot go 3/4 of the way around. There is also no reason someone can't enter in the outside lane, transition to the inside lane in the RAB, and exit in the outside lane. The lines are broken. It's much better to pay attention to the signs before the RAB that designate how you must proceed depending on which lane you are in entering the RAB.
Villager Dude
06-13-2016, 09:31 PM
I was told some time ago that the vehicle in the inside lane ( Left) has the right away at all times in a round a bout.
Is this true ?
VApeople
06-14-2016, 06:22 AM
I was told some time ago that the vehicle in the inside lane ( Left) has the right away at all times in a round a bout.
Is this true ?
I don't think you should be concerned with who has the right of way. You should be concerned with surviving.
If you are in the right lane and there is a car slightly ahead of you in the left lane, be aware that he might cut you off.
If you are in the inside lane and there is a car slightly ahead of you in the right lane, be aware that he might cut you off.
If two vehicles are driving side-by-side, the bigger vehicle has the right of way, in my opinion. If the two vehicles are the same size, the older beat-up one has the right of way, if the guy in the newer vehicle has any sense.
ColdNoMore
06-14-2016, 06:28 AM
I don't think you should be concerned with who has the right of way. You should be concerned with surviving.
If you are in the right lane and there is a car slightly ahead of you in the left lane, be aware that he might cut you off.
If you are in the inside lane and there is a car slightly ahead of you in the right lane, be aware that he might cut you off.
:agree:
If two vehicles are driving side-by-side, the bigger vehicle has the right of way, in my opinion. If the two vehicles are the same size, the older beat-up one has the right of way, if the guy in the newer vehicle has any sense.
"Right-of-way by size" and "right-of-way by value."
Not bad rules to go by. :thumbup:
mikemalloy
06-14-2016, 07:10 AM
Also when westbound on Stillwater and you approach Buena Vista there are two lanes. The right lane is right turn only since there is no straight street exit. That right turn will take you north on Buena Vista. The left lane is for the traffic circle and will lead you to BV southbound. I've seen almost everytime a car in the right lane not make the right turn, but will enter the traffic circle sometimes driving parallel to the car in the left lane.
Right lane Stillwater at Buena Vista add this painted arrow to road surface.
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/172222809-right-turn-only-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=2mOHtny6gjDWFFkVQmj2My%2FCJ1UphogDKI48RxfcA7kICr QaaNnqv5%2BwfWQ8Oem9orsnBn3TadCLwOem%2FPLuYw%3D%3D
Left lane at Stillwater arrow indicated straight traffic headed into the traffic circle.
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4bdbd75a9f304ea09b2e081d1fa7f311/arrow-on-the-asphalt-go-ahead-go-straight-traffic-sign-painted-on-d5290c.jpg
Perhaps things have changed since you were last there. The signs clearly indicate that those entering the circle in the right lane can turn left. The reason is simple there is not way a car entering the circle can go straight through. The arrows also do not prohibit someone in the right lane from turning left at that circle.
John_W
06-14-2016, 05:52 PM
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ldj1938
06-27-2016, 07:45 AM
Use your turn signal when you going to exit! It's that little stick on the side of the steering wheel that goes up and down. I've driven from Santo Domingo to Route 44 and have seen one other driver use a turn signal to indicate that are going to exit.
kappy
12-20-2017, 09:03 AM
If you look at the roundabout brochure, it specifically states that you should “Never change lanes in a roundabout”. This means that if you are going 3/4 around, you should enter a gate in the visitors lane. The statement is written in red on the brochure. If you follow the lines that show a left hand turn, (3/4 around), you’ll see the line going into the visitors’ gate.
jpvillager
12-20-2017, 10:56 AM
I always stagger vehicles and assume that when I exit right from the center lane that an outside lane vehicle may continue in the rotary even though I have the right a way. On the lighter side. I always assume nobody knows what they are doing....including myself. My neighbor chimes in with he just takes up both lanes.
twoplanekid
12-20-2017, 01:38 PM
If you look at the roundabout brochure, it specifically states that you should “Never change lanes in a roundabout”. This means that if you are going 3/4 around, you should enter a gate in the visitors lane. The statement is written in red on the brochure.
When traveling south on Buena Vista to enter Hillsborough Trail, you are allowed to be on the left/ inner lane to then switch to the outer lane while in the roundabout to then enter the residents gate. A Sumter County engineer who was asked if this is legal says it’s ok to switch in the roundabout if markings allow it.
CFrance
12-20-2017, 01:43 PM
We go round-a-bout on this issue every year.
I still say, you cannot be in the left lane and get to either of the entrances without crossing over the right lane. I think the statement means not to change lanes while driving inside of the roundabout. Once you're in whatever lane you entered in, stay there till you exit. Obviously, you have to cross over the outside lane from the inside lane in order to exit the roundabout. Both visitor's and residents' gates are on the right.
Polar Bear
12-20-2017, 03:16 PM
We go round-a-bout on this issue every year.
I still say, you cannot be in the left lane and get to either of the entrances without crossing over the right lane. I think the statement means not to change lanes while driving inside of the roundabout. Once you're in whatever lane you entered in, stay there till you exit. Obviously, you have to cross over the outside lane from the inside lane in order to exit the roundabout. Both visitor's and residents' gates are on the right.
What CF said.
Henryk
12-20-2017, 04:43 PM
This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,
58250
Cop told you plates are all six characters? Know-nothing condescending jerk.
CFrance
12-20-2017, 05:10 PM
Cop told you plates are all six characters? Know-nothing condescending jerk.
Or lazy and doesn't want to spend time pursuing it
Polar Bear
12-20-2017, 08:50 PM
The cop on the phone may have been a jerk. But I'm not sure going after sonebody based on a single phone call when there was no accident is a good idea. Got a bone to pick with somebody? Call the police and give 'em his/her license plate number. That'll get 'em!
l2ridehd
12-21-2017, 06:23 AM
Ah, but the lines are part of the problem. Look at this picture of the Morse/Stillwater RAB. If you follow the broken lines, there is no reason why a driver in the outside lane cannot go 3/4 of the way around. There is also no reason someone can't enter in the outside lane, transition to the inside lane in the RAB, and exit in the outside lane. The lines are broken. It's much better to pay attention to the signs before the RAB that designate how you must proceed depending on which lane you are in entering the RAB.
A roundabout is nothing but a traffic light replacement. Treat it that way. If turning right enter on the right. If turning left enter on the left. If going straight through use either lane. So simple.
If you were coming south on Morse and hit the light at 466. Would you stay in the right lane to make a left hand turn? That is what your doing if you go 3/4 the way around a circle in the right hand lane.
Would you enter the traffic light intersection on a red light? Would you enter if another car was in the intersection? That is what your doing if you don't yield to both lanes for cars already in the circle.
It's a traffic light replacement, treat it that way and everything works.
CFrance
12-21-2017, 08:16 AM
A roundabout is nothing but a traffic light replacement. Treat it that way. If turning right enter on the right. If turning left enter on the left. If going straight through use either lane. So simple.
If you were coming south on Morse and hit the light at 466. Would you stay in the right lane to make a left hand turn? That is what your doing if you go 3/4 the way around a circle in the right hand lane.
Would you enter the traffic light intersection on a red light? Would you enter if another car was in the intersection? That is what your doing if you don't yield to both lanes for cars already in the circle.
It's a traffic light replacement, treat it that way and everything works.
That's how someone explained it to me six years ago. Your simple explanation should be posted at the roundabouts! Or at least, everyone should have to listen to this explanation when they pick up their IDs or guest passes. It's simple, makes sense, is easy to remember.:wave:
John_W
12-21-2017, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by bikeman
That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/58250-how-navigate-roundabouts-still-sjeit-jpg
kappy
12-25-2017, 08:46 AM
CF. If you look at the roundabout brochure, on both the front page and the back page, it shows a vehicle making a left turn, (going 3/4 around), must start from the left hand lane, stay in the left hand lane and , when exiting, remain in that lane. This means that when you go into a gate after making a left hand turn, you must enter the visitors gate.
twoplanekid
12-25-2017, 09:09 AM
CF. If you look at the roundabout brochure, on both the front page and the back page, it shows a vehicle making a left turn, (going 3/4 around), must start from the left hand lane, stay in the left hand lane and , when exiting, remain in that lane. This means that when you go into a gate after making a left hand lane, you must enter the visitors gate.
Not necessary true for every roundabout - see my post #40 It all depends on the markings in the roundabout.
Polar Bear
12-25-2017, 09:57 AM
...when you go into a gate after making a left hand lane, you must enter the visitors gate.
Simply not true.
And Merry Christmas. :)
autumnspring
12-25-2017, 10:43 AM
This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,
58250
I drive a car, a golf cart and ride a bike. As posted by others. We all know the round a bouts are dangerous.
In the original post the RULES have been posted. In my view, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, assuming that other drivers, YOU KNOW THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO RISK YOU LIFE AND THEIR'S, know the laws and are going to follow them is a stretch.
We all think others are wrong. NO THAT IS NOT MY CAR.
I was not there BUT, I've seen the bike clubs out ridding in a mass of 20 plus bikes some ridding side by side and stretched out for half a block or more.
WHO IS WRONG? That seems to be your view. In my view, from your post, you are well aware that if a car hits a bike the bike will get the worst of it. Fortunately no one was hit. You should think about the best way to AVOID such encounters. REALIZE few drives realize the SPEEDS you bike riders travel at. The fact that nany of you will follow the leader, on his wheel with no independent thought
and that a sudden stop will likely result in a pile up etc etc etc
Polar Bear
12-25-2017, 12:44 PM
...We all know the round a bouts are dangerous...
No more so than other intersections.
kappy
12-26-2017, 11:13 AM
Simply not true.
And Merry Christmas. :)
Never change lanes between the 2nd and 3rd exits. The broken white line dividing the inner and outer lanes does not mean you may change lanes while inside the roundabout. The broken white line is there so that vehicles entering the roundabout can enter in either lane, depending on where they are going.
A vehicle entering a roundabout that is going 3/4 around, must be able to enter in the left hand lane, thereby crossing the broken white line. This is the same as if they were at a traffic light and were going to make a left hand turn onto a 4 lane road. Once you enter the road in the left lane, you can change lanes to the right lane. Approximately 30-40% of all drivers make this error by directly entering the right lane. (This information comes from “Professional Driving With Richard” that used to be printed in The Villages Homeowners Association monthly newsletters).
I have sent emails to Mrs. Tutt suggesting that the signs as you enter any 2 lane gate should indicate that the “Visitors” gate should read, “Residents and Visitors”. That is one of the reasons that residents can enter the visitors gate with their gate card.
CFrance
12-26-2017, 05:17 PM
Never change lanes between the 2nd and 3rd exits. The broken white line dividing the inner and outer lanes does not mean you may change lanes while inside the roundabout. The broken white line is there so that vehicles entering the roundabout can enter in either lane, depending on where they are going.
A vehicle entering a roundabout that is going 3/4 around, must be able to enter in the left hand lane, thereby crossing the broken white line. This is the same as if they were at a traffic light and were going to make a left hand turn onto a 4 lane road. Once you enter the road in the left lane, you can change lanes to the right lane. Approximately 30-40% of all drivers make this error by directly entering the right lane. (This information comes from “Professional Driving With Richard” that used to be printed in The Villages Homeowners Association monthly newsletters).
I have sent emails to Mrs. Tutt suggesting that the signs as you enter any 2 lane gate should indicate that the “Visitors” gate should read, “Residents and Visitors”. That is one of the reasons that residents can enter the visitors gate with their gate card.
Weirdly, in the state of FL, when you make a left hand turn onto a four lane road, you can go into either lane. If you turn right, you must turn into the same lane and then change lanes if you want after the turn.
Roundabouts... Do what the signs say that you encounter before the roundabout
MorTech
12-27-2017, 12:01 AM
I bet that if the Developer had to do TV over, they would make all the traffic circles single lane and merge the two lanes to one just before the circle. Traffic flow would suffer but accidents would be avoided with those who can't seem to grasp the concept of "Yield" signage and "ALL traffic in the circle have the right of way".
The Visitor lane is for visitors only and there are reasons why the Gate Guard controls the Visitor gate...It has to do with resident right of way and MMP crossing.
maureenod
12-27-2017, 08:52 AM
I bet that if the Developer had to do TV over, they would make all the traffic circles single lane and merge the two lanes to one just before the circle. Traffic flow would suffer but accidents would be avoided with those who can't seem to grasp the concept of "Yield" signage and "ALL traffic in the circle have the right of way".
The Visitor lane is for visitors only and there are reasons why the Gate Guard controls the Visitor gate...It has to do with resident right of way and MMP crossing.
EXACTLY, I was in Killarney last August, high tourist season with many small roundabouts. Two lanes merged gradually into one. Everything went smoothly.
A few I encountered were 2 lanes and " Yikes", what a free for all. And no one signals.
Polar Bear
12-27-2017, 09:02 AM
I bet that if the Developer had to do TV over, they would make all the traffic circles single lane and merge the two lanes to one just before the circle...
Never in a million years. Then the capacity of all roads in TV would be halved...or worse.
The existing roundabouts are fine. Of course they are different than what many people are used to and require a period of adjustment. But they are as safe as signalized or stop sign intersections with far more capacity.
Traffic volumes matter. It's what dictates road design. Single lane roundabouts would never work in TV. The developer and his transportation experts knew that.
Marathon Man
12-27-2017, 09:15 AM
Never change lanes between the 2nd and 3rd exits. The broken white line dividing the inner and outer lanes does not mean you may change lanes while inside the roundabout. The broken white line is there so that vehicles entering the roundabout can enter in either lane, depending on where they are going.
A vehicle entering a roundabout that is going 3/4 around, must be able to enter in the left hand lane, thereby crossing the broken white line. This is the same as if they were at a traffic light and were going to make a left hand turn onto a 4 lane road. Once you enter the road in the left lane, you can change lanes to the right lane. Approximately 30-40% of all drivers make this error by directly entering the right lane. (This information comes from “Professional Driving With Richard” that used to be printed in The Villages Homeowners Association monthly newsletters).
I have sent emails to Mrs. Tutt suggesting that the signs as you enter any 2 lane gate should indicate that the “Visitors” gate should read, “Residents and Visitors”. That is one of the reasons that residents can enter the visitors gate with their gate card.
Too many folks believe that since they are residents, that they should always go through the resident gate. They change lanes in the middle of the roundabout, crossing from the inner to the outer lane. This is an unsafe maneuver.
Friends - it is ok to enter through the visitor gate. I do it all the time when I am in the inner lane of the roundabout. Simply stay there and use the left exit lane to the gate. This is the proper and safe thing to do.
If you don't agree with me, please take a look at the brochure. It clearly shows the proper exit from the inner lane.
Thank you for your attention.
Polar Bear
12-27-2017, 11:43 AM
...it is ok to enter through the visitor gate. I do it all the time when I am in the inner lane of the roundabout. Simply stay there and use the left exit lane to the gate. This is the proper and safe thing to do...
Correctamundo. :)
Henryk
12-27-2017, 01:27 PM
... That is one of the reasons that residents can enter the visitors gate with their gate card.
I never noticed! Thanks!
refeik
01-21-2018, 10:51 PM
The best over all thing drivers should do is signal when they are going to exit a round-a-bout. Also switching lanes as you exit is a no no ..
CFrance
01-21-2018, 11:06 PM
paThe best over all thing drivers should do is signal when they are going to exit a round-a-bout. Also switching lanes as you exit is a no no ..
But... but... If switching lanes is a no-no, they should take down the Residents & Visitors signs. There are no markings on the street saying you can't switch lanes to exit. Everybody turning left from inside lane should then go to the visitors lane? You're still driving over the outside lane to get to the visitors entrance.
Today we had some under 55-year-old jackwagon in a white mercedes convertible pass us on the right in the roundabout, swerve in front of us into our inside lane, then move back to the right to exit. He saw an opening in the visitors lane, swerved again (already had pulled into the residents exit) into the visitors exit just to get ahead of one darn car.
Wiotte
01-21-2018, 11:20 PM
pa
But... but... If switching lanes is a no-no, they should take down the Residents & Visitors signs. There are no markings on the street saying you can't switch lanes to exit. Everybody turning left from inside lane should then go to the visitors lane? You're still driving over the outside lane to get to the visitors entrance.
Today we had some under 55-year-old jackwagon in a white mercedes convertible pass us on the right in the roundabout, swerve in front of us into our inside lane, then move back to the right to exit. He saw an opening in the visitors lane, swerved again (already had pulled into the residents exit) into the visitors exit just to get ahead of one darn car.
Be careful out there !!!
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Nucky
01-22-2018, 01:23 AM
pa
But... but... If switching lanes is a no-no, they should take down the Residents & Visitors signs. There are no markings on the street saying you can't switch lanes to exit. Everybody turning left from inside lane should then go to the visitors lane? You're still driving over the outside lane to get to the visitors entrance.
Today we had some under 55-year-old jackwagon in a white mercedes convertible pass us on the right in the roundabout, swerve in front of us into our inside lane, then move back to the right to exit. He saw an opening in the visitors lane, swerved again (already had pulled into the residents exit) into the visitors exit just to get ahead of one darn car.
Jackwagon, well I do declare there little lady sounds like that driver was as sharp as a bowling ball. Foghorn Leghorn over & out! :jester:
Rebel Pirate
01-22-2018, 06:22 AM
I was told some time ago that the vehicle in the inside lane ( Left) has the right away at all times in a round a bout.
Is this true ?
No vehicle ever HAS the right of way. Statutes are written so that one vehicle must YIELD the right of way to another but NEVER grants the right of way to ANY vehicle. It's an important distinction that will hopefully shape the way a driver thinks. Here's a quote from DMV.ORG:
"The law does not give anyone the right of way on the road. Instead, it states who is required to yield the right of way in certain instances. It is also the responsibility of the driver to do everything possible to be safe and avoid a collision."
Marathon Man
01-22-2018, 09:36 AM
pa
But... but... If switching lanes is a no-no, they should take down the Residents & Visitors signs. There are no markings on the street saying you can't switch lanes to exit. Everybody turning left from inside lane should then go to the visitors lane? You're still driving over the outside lane to get to the visitors entrance.
Today we had some under 55-year-old jackwagon in a white mercedes convertible pass us on the right in the roundabout, swerve in front of us into our inside lane, then move back to the right to exit. He saw an opening in the visitors lane, swerved again (already had pulled into the residents exit) into the visitors exit just to get ahead of one darn car.
Yes. Check the pamphlet. More accurately, you must exit the roundabout into the lane going to the visitors gate. Once out of the roundabout, then you can change lanes. The trouble is that drivers change from the inner to the outer while still in the roundabout, and then take the exit.
twoplanekid
01-22-2018, 12:11 PM
Yes. Check the pamphlet. More accurately, you must exit the roundabout into the lane going to the visitors gate. Once out of the roundabout, then you can change lanes. The trouble is that drivers change from the inner to the outer while still in the roundabout, and then take the exit.
I do it all the time at my exit as it is legal and marked to do so at Hillsborough!
CWGUY
01-22-2018, 12:27 PM
I do it all the time at my exit as it is legal and marked to do so at Hillsborough!
:22yikes: You didn't read the brochure..... did you?
twoplanekid
01-22-2018, 12:35 PM
:22yikes: You didn't read the brochure..... did you?
If markings allow the change of lanes, it is permitted! I discussed this at a Welcome Wednesday day last year to present my opinion that these markings are confusing. Nevertheless, it is legal at this exit to change lanes by following my red markings to arrive at the right gate. Note that the outside/right lane must continue through and not turn left into Hillsborough. Most people do not do it correctly.:(
Lindaketchup
01-22-2018, 01:59 PM
If markings allow the change of lanes, it is permitted! I discussed this at a Welcome Wednesday day last year to present my opinion that these markings are confusing. Nevertheless, it is legal at this exit to change lanes by following my red markings to arrive at the right gate. Note that the outside/right lane must continue through and not turn left into Hillsborough. Most people do not do it correctly.:(
Including you! Please read the Sumter County pamphlet linked on the very first post. In the section that instructs how to make a left hand turn, "3. When you have passed the last exit before the one you want, use your right-turn signal and continue to use it through your exit. Do not change lanes."
Just because the line is broken, DOES NOT mean that you can change lanes within the roudabout.
Edited to add:
I agree with some of the other posters, the gate that says "Visitors" should say "Visitors AND Residents" I think that is why so many people change lanes within the roundabout.
twoplanekid
01-22-2018, 04:53 PM
Including you! Please read the Sumter County pamphlet linked on the very first post. In the section that instructs how to make a left hand turn, "3. When you have passed the last exit before the one you want, use your right-turn signal and continue to use it through your exit. Do not change lanes."
Just because the line is broken, DOES NOT mean that you can change lanes within the roudabout.
Edited to add:
I agree with some of the other posters, the gate that says "Visitors" should say "Visitors AND Residents" I think that is why so many people change lanes within the roundabout.
Sorry, you are wrong. There is no broken line or any line so that you can merge into the outer/right lane while making the turn in this roundabout. How else can you be in the clearly marked right lane? Now, the right or outer lane does have a solid white mark to not allow a left turn from that lane. The rule about changing lanes is not hard and fast as it was explained to me at a Welcome Wednesday meeting. Does this lead to some confusion, I believe it does. Sumter County will not change the markings.
Please look at the markings in this roundabout!
Bogie Shooter
01-22-2018, 04:57 PM
Oh God.....here we go again.
:cus::popcorn::popcorn:
dbussone
01-22-2018, 05:11 PM
Oh God.....here we go again.
:cus::popcorn::popcorn:
AaYup.
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John_W
01-22-2018, 05:26 PM
You know how to navigate a 2 lane roundabout, the same way you navigate a 2 lane 4-way stop. Turning right you use the right lane. Going straight you use either the right or left lane. Making a left turn you use the left lane (inside lane). Going around the outside lane very slowly does not make you safe, it makes you a candidate for a T-Bone by the driver in the inside lane leaving at the second exit. You know, this stuff is all on the signs just before each roundabout. Look at the sign and you see two lines, they will show you what the right lane can do and what the left can do.
Just make believe the lanes are straight and not curved.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/73687d1516658680-how-navigate-roundabouts-mine-do-not-like-jpg
Blackie
01-22-2018, 06:01 PM
Here is the link to the roundabout brochure.
http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf
The third bullet point quite clearly states "Do not change lanes in a roundabout"
Navigating Roundabouts
• Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round- about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
• Within the roundabout, do not stop except to avoid a collision; you have the right-of-way over entering traffic. Keep moving in a counterclockwise direction.
• Do not change lanes in a roundabout.
• A striped channelization island is present in several
roundabouts, which reduces the circulatory roadway to one lane approaching a single-lane exit.
Lindaketchup
01-22-2018, 07:18 PM
I choose to believe the Sumter County pamphlet, where in four seperate places it clearly states "Do not change lanes in a roundabout" and not some person at a Welcome Wednesday meeting who said that these are not hard and fast rules. Keep changing lanes if you choose, but hopefully you won't be involved in an accident. You can explain to the insurance adjuster that these are not "hard and fast" rules, especially when they assign blame.
twoplanekid
01-22-2018, 08:20 PM
I choose to believe the Sumter County pamphlet, where in four seperate places it clearly states "Do not change lanes in a roundabout" and not some person at a Welcome Wednesday meeting who said that these are not hard and fast rules. Keep changing lanes if you choose, but hopefully you won't be involved in an accident. You can explain to the insurance adjuster that these are not "hard and fast" rules, especially when they assign blame.
Ok, how does one enter the lane circled in red unless you break the rule "Do not changes lanes in a roundabout". The lane must be allowed to be used or it would not be marked as a traffic lane!
rustyp
01-23-2018, 07:02 AM
Ok, how does one enter the lane circled in red unless you break the rule "Do not changes lanes in a roundabout". The lane must be allowed to be used or it would not be marked as a traffic lane!
Even though I would not switch lanes myself in any roundabout I believe you may have just won this battle. According to the rules right turn or straight thru for the right lane you are correct. Given that there could never be anyone in that lane since the exit is at 270 degrees.
CFrance
01-23-2018, 07:21 AM
Ok, how does one enter the lane circled in red unless you break the rule "Do not changes lanes in a roundabout". The lane must be allowed to be used or it would not be marked as a traffic lane!
And... how does one exit the inside lane (when going 3/4 around) without changing lanes? You cannot stay in that lane and exit even the visitors side without crossing over the outside lane.
So the rule "Do not change lanes in a roundabout" does not apply to people exiting from the inside lane?
rustyp
01-23-2018, 07:26 AM
And... how does one exit the inside lane (when going 3/4 around) without changing lanes? You cannot stay in that lane and exit even the visitors side without crossing over the outside lane.
So the rule "Do not change lanes in a roundabout" does not apply to people exiting from the inside lane?
I need help in understanding. No where is this diagram are you switching lanes to exit from the inside lane. All exits are two lanes wide.
CFrance
01-23-2018, 08:15 AM
I need help in understanding. No where is this diagram are you switching lanes to exit from the inside lane. All exits are two lanes wide.
I may be putting too fine a point on it, but if you are in the inside lane, there is no way you can enter either gate, resident or visitor, without driving over the outside lane.
OpusX1
01-23-2018, 08:25 AM
All exits are not two lanes. The exit from the Morse circle going east to Paige is a single lane.
CFrance
01-23-2018, 08:32 AM
Exits leading onto single lane roads (one lane in each direction) are single lane exits.
Amb3rTastic
01-23-2018, 08:40 AM
There are so many issues involved with driving roundabouts, that I've seen, growing up here.
My husband was side swiped because he was in the left lane taking the 2nd exit when someone in the right lane tried to cross over into the left lane AT the 2nd exit. With Florida being a no-fault state, he was issued a ticket.
Also, coming out of the roundabout when there's a bypass lane, such as on Buena Vista by Sumter Landing and Stillwater. I can't count how many times I've been in the left lane and someone coming out of the bypass lane has tried to merge into my lane. Not looking, no turn signal, and not slowing down. Luckily, I don't trust ANYONE on the road, and I always double check every car coming out of the bypass. Everytime, I hit my horn and my brakes, but they never stop. If I had to count, probably about 5 times this has happened. ALWAYS check your blind spots!!!!
Also, again, people take them WAY too fast. I noticed someone saying they take the right lane at 35MPH. That's too fast. I believe the suggested speed is 25MPH, correct me if I'm wrong, and that still can be too fast if you're not paying attention.
I wish everyone took these roundabouts more seriously than they do, and I love the brochure that they give out and you linked! It really helps everyone learn, correctly. When my husband was side-swiped, he received one, along with the other driver, and we went home to read it to see how that could've been avoided.
Best way to go into, assume no one knows how to drive xD
CFrance
01-23-2018, 08:47 AM
There are so many issues involved with driving roundabouts, that I've seen, growing up here.
My husband was side swiped because he was in the left lane taking the 2nd exit when someone in the right lane tried to cross over into the left lane AT the 2nd exit. With Florida being a no-fault state, he was issued a ticket.
Also, coming out of the roundabout when there's a bypass lane, such as on Buena Vista by Sumter Landing and Stillwater. I can't count how many times I've been in the left lane and someone coming out of the bypass lane has tried to merge into my lane. Not looking, no turn signal, and not slowing down. Luckily, I don't trust ANYONE on the road, and I always double check every car coming out of the bypass. Everytime, I hit my horn and my brakes, but they never stop. If I had to count, probably about 5 times this has happened. ALWAYS check your blind spots!!!!
Also, again, people take them WAY too fast. I noticed someone saying they take the right lane at 35MPH. That's too fast. I believe the suggested speed is 25MPH, correct me if I'm wrong, and that still can be too fast if you're not paying attention.
I wish everyone took these roundabouts more seriously than they do, and I love the brochure that they give out and you linked! It really helps everyone learn, correctly. When my husband was side-swiped, he received one, along with the other driver, and we went home to read it to see how that could've been avoided.
Best way to go into, assume no one knows how to drive xD
Exactly what was your husband ticketed for? I hope he fought it.
rustyp
01-23-2018, 08:50 AM
All exits are not two lanes. The exit from the Morse circle going east to Paige is a single lane.
I wrote "in the diagram" - never said all roundabouts. Here we go again.
Lindaketchup
01-23-2018, 09:30 AM
I do not want to argue, so this is my last post on this particular subjet.
From the Florida Driver Handbook, section 5.17:
"Roundabouts are circular intersections with no traffic signal which improve traffic flow and reduce traffic crashes. Roundabouts slow vehicle speed, give drivers more time to judge and react to other vehicles or pedestrians. Drivers entering the roundabout must yield to traffic already in the circle and are directed in one-way, counterclockwise direction. For multi-lane roundabouts, stay in the left lane to turn left and the right lane to turn right, and all lanes to go through, unless otherwise directed by signs or pavement markings. Stay in your lane within the roundabout and use your right turn signal to indicate your intention to exit. Prior to entering or exiting the roundabout, drivers must yield to pedestrians in the crosswalks. Bicyclists may take the lane in the roundabout, or use the sidewalk." (red added to text for emphasis)
Part of the problem is that the roundabouts throughout the Villages are not consistent which leads to a lot of confusion. Some of the rondouabouts force the inside lane to the outside lane at the 2nd exit for the north/south direction with yellow striping, while others have 2 lanes the entire way around. Some have single lane exits. This does not change the fact that government entities have published instructions NOT to change lanes in roundabouts.
Polar Bear
01-23-2018, 09:33 AM
I may be putting too fine a point on it, but if you are in the inside lane, there is no way you can enter either gate, resident or visitor, without driving over the outside lane.
Exactly. That's why...with proper precautions...it makes no difference which lane you exit to.
Amb3rTastic
01-23-2018, 11:13 AM
Exactly what was your husband ticketed for? I hope he fought it.
I don't remember, honestly. I think it was "improper use of traffic circle" or something like that. It was years ago.
The cop said that since it was a no fault state, and the other driver was being uncooperative, they were both issued a ticket.
EPutnam1863
01-23-2018, 12:36 PM
Agree.
Imagine if you could simply call a LEO and sic that officer onto somebody at your whim with no physical evidence.
The same thing happened when we lived in Oregon. I saw an elderly lady driving down the wrong way down a busy street. I reported her and her license plate number to DMV, and they said too bad, they could not do anything without proof. Looking back, they were right. So we must watch out for anybody and everybody else.
CFrance
01-23-2018, 02:30 PM
I don't remember, honestly. I think it was "improper use of traffic circle" or something like that. It was years ago.
The cop said that since it was a no fault state, and the other driver was being uncooperative, they were both issued a ticket.
Talk about blaming the victim.
RCM1210
01-28-2018, 06:49 PM
I personally love the roundabouts. Yield and keep driving, drive speed limit or less and stay staggered. Also, if you notice the roundabout road signs closer... the right/outside lane always takes the first or second right turn exits and the left/inside lanes always take the second and third exits. There are a few roundabouts that do not have four total entrance/exits. And oh, roundabouts do not have stop signs.
Wiotte
01-28-2018, 09:13 PM
I personally love the roundabouts. Yield and keep driving, drive speed limit or less and stay staggered. Also, if you notice the roundabout road signs closer... the right/outside lane always takes the first or second right turn exits and the left/inside lanes always take the second and third exits. There are a few roundabouts that do not have four total entrance/exits. And oh, roundabouts do not have stop signs.
You’re confusing us with the facts. Please keep on topic.
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OrangeBlossomBaby
07-20-2018, 10:43 AM
As someone who's only visited TV so far and hasn't yet purchased a home, I have to say these traffic circles are incredibly confusing. I slow down significantly because they disorient me and I get nervous about being stuck in the wrong lane. If I'm in the right lane, and making a 3/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane. If I'm in the left lane, and making a 1/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane. But I'm supposed to keep up with the speed of traffic so if there's someone behind me, I worry they'll get mad if I slow down, mad if I'm in the wrong lane, mad if I get disoriented and pull over and stop because I just can't deal with that kind of stress when I'm just trying to get across the darned street.
Plus it's clear these traffic circles are dangerous, which is why there are so many threads here with so many posters saying they're dangerous. Why not ditch the circles and put in normal lanes with stop lights and turn lights, so there's absolutely no confusion whatsoever? You get in line, stop, wait til the light says you can go, then go. And everyone else stops to let you do so.
VillageIdiots
07-20-2018, 11:02 AM
As someone who's only visited TV so far and hasn't yet purchased a home, I have to say these traffic circles are incredibly confusing. I slow down significantly because they disorient me and I get nervous about being stuck in the wrong lane. If I'm in the right lane, and making a 3/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane. If I'm in the left lane, and making a 1/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane. But I'm supposed to keep up with the speed of traffic so if there's someone behind me, I worry they'll get mad if I slow down, mad if I'm in the wrong lane, mad if I get disoriented and pull over and stop because I just can't deal with that kind of stress when I'm just trying to get across the darned street.
Plus it's clear these traffic circles are dangerous, which is why there are so many threads here with so many posters saying they're dangerous. Why not ditch the circles and put in normal lanes with stop lights and turn lights, so there's absolutely no confusion whatsoever? You get in line, stop, wait til the light says you can go, then go. And everyone else stops to let you do so.
They are intimidating, at first, to anyone not used to them. But most quickly get used to them. It helps to get and read the pamphlet that is in the original post of this thread. As far as I know, the only place this pamphlet is handed it is at the monthly new villager orientation (don't know the official name) but nobody is required to attend and most of the time, by the time you attend, you have been subjected to navigating the roundabouts many times. The roundabouts are there to improve traffic flow, not impede it. You should drive defensively around here, not just in the roundabouts, but everywhere. I can't count how many times I've seen someone approach a stop at a street or drive that intersects one that I am driving down. They stop, look, clearly see me approaching (I drive a full size pickup truck), and then proceed to pull out in front of me anyway. It seems many spent their previous lives always in a big old hurry and can't seem to adjust to not being in a hurry. That goes for golf carts too. The speed limit is 20mph. Mine is adjusted so that it can go a little above that when needed but can at least keep up the speed limit. Still, there are always though that will drive right up to your bumper and pass you at the first opportunity and sometimes even at high risk to oncoming traffic. Lots of beautiful landscaping and flowers around here but there are always a few that refuse to stop and smell them now and then.
tomwed
07-20-2018, 11:06 AM
The trick is to go to the inside lane and keep going around until you are the only one in the circle and then exit. I learned this trick on the merry go round years ago.
VillageIdiots
07-20-2018, 11:11 AM
The trick is to go to the inside lane and keep going around until you are the only one in the circle and then exit. I learned this trick on the merry go round years ago.
And don't forget, it's not NASCAR, always turn right...
:popcorn:
LMAO
CFrance
07-20-2018, 11:58 AM
The trick is to go to the inside lane and keep going around until you are the only one in the circle and then exit. I learned this trick on the merry go round years ago.
Another winner from you!
dewilson58
07-20-2018, 12:14 PM
Can't wait for National Backwards Day...........January 31, 2019.
Clockwise in the roundabouts.
VApeople
07-20-2018, 12:30 PM
If I'm in the right lane, and making a 3/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane.
That's correct.
If I'm in the left lane, and making a 1/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane.
Yes, that would be a terrible thing to do, even though we have had it happen to us on several occasions.
I'm supposed to keep up with the speed of traffic so if there's someone behind me, I worry they'll get mad if I slow down, mad if I'm in the wrong lane, mad if I get disoriented and pull over and stop.
When you become a senior citizen, you will stop worrying about other people being mad at you.
I just can't deal with that kind of stress when I'm just trying to get across the darned street.
Then don't live in TV. We like our roundabouts.
CFrance
07-20-2018, 01:26 PM
As someone who's only visited TV so far and hasn't yet purchased a home, I have to say these traffic circles are incredibly confusing. I slow down significantly because they disorient me and I get nervous about being stuck in the wrong lane. If I'm in the right lane, and making a 3/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane. If I'm in the left lane, and making a 1/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane. But I'm supposed to keep up with the speed of traffic so if there's someone behind me, I worry they'll get mad if I slow down, mad if I'm in the wrong lane, mad if I get disoriented and pull over and stop because I just can't deal with that kind of stress when I'm just trying to get across the darned street.
Plus it's clear these traffic circles are dangerous, which is why there are so many threads here with so many posters saying they're dangerous. Why not ditch the circles and put in normal lanes with stop lights and turn lights, so there's absolutely no confusion whatsoever? You get in line, stop, wait til the light says you can go, then go. And everyone else stops to let you do so.
Please, don't ever, ever do that. You might get hurt. Somebody else might get hurt. Please don't stop in a roundabout. Better to keep going, even if you're in the wrong lane, till you can pull off onto an exit.
People coming round in a roundabout can't see you and might rear-end you if they come upon you stopped. Or it could cause a multiple accident. You would be found at fault for any of that.
Just think of the roundabout as a four lane intersection. If you're going straight, either lane. If you're going right, outside lane. If you're "turning left,"you would be in the left lane at an intersection. That's what cleared it up for me, a description by some clear-minded "teacher" on this forum seven years ago. To whom I am so grateful, although I can't remember his name.
Bogie Shooter
07-20-2018, 02:23 PM
as someone who's only visited tv so far and hasn't yet purchased a home, i have to say these traffic circles are incredibly confusing. I slow down significantly because they disorient me and i get nervous about being stuck in the wrong lane. If i'm in the right lane, and making a 3/4 turn, i'm in the wrong lane. If i'm in the left lane, and making a 1/4 turn, i'm in the wrong lane. But i'm supposed to keep up with the speed of traffic so if there's someone behind me, i worry they'll get mad if i slow down, mad if i'm in the wrong lane, mad if i get disoriented and pull over and stop because i just can't deal with that kind of stress when i'm just trying to get across the darned street.
Plus it's clear these traffic circles are dangerous, which is why there are so many threads here with so many posters saying they're dangerous. why not ditch the circles and put in normal lanes with stop lights and turn lights, so there's absolutely no confusion whatsoever? You get in line, stop, wait til the light says you can go, then go. And everyone else stops to let you do so.
no, no, no...………………….!
Oh wait, you said you were just a visitor.....did you read the signs at the entrance to the roundabout? I thought so.
CFrance
07-20-2018, 02:36 PM
Can't wait for National Backwards Day...........January 31, 2019.
Clockwise in the roundabouts.
You laugh, but Sweden, the country that makes Saabs, decided that they should change their left-hand driving to right-hand driving. Their method was: name a date and do it.
"Finally, everything was ready. At 4:50 a.m. on September 3, 1967, as crowds of people gathered to watch, all vehicles on the road were instructed to come to a halt. They were then directed to move carefully from the left side of the road to the right, and wait. At the stroke of 5:00, following a radio countdown, an announcement was made — “Sweden now has right-hand driving” — and traffic was allowed to resume. Time Magazine called the event “a brief but monumental traffic jam.”
Some people think the real reason for this was a car manufacturer was selling so many cars to the US.
John_W
07-20-2018, 04:12 PM
In seven years I had only seen one time a car exit at the first exit from the left lane of a traffic circle. Yesterday I saw it twice right in front of me. First time I'm on Stillwater eastbound in the left lane getting ready to enter the roundabout at Morse to go north across the bridge. There is a car in front of me and one to the right of me, as I move ahead both cars in front of me exit at the first exit, unbelievable.
Later yesteray I'm on El Camino Real northbound and come to the roundabout at Buena Vista in front The Savannah Center. Again there are two cars, one in the left lane and one in the right lane just ahead of me in the right lane, since I plan to go north on BV. Again, both cars in front of me exit at the first exit northbound on BV, had I been going straight I would of T-boned the car in the left lane or if the car in front of me had been going straight, either one of us would of hit that car in the left lane.
If this wasn't enough, at the Morse roundabout, the really busy one just before 441, I see something I will probably never see again. I'm entering from Paige Place using the right lane to go halfway to El Camino Real. Two cars are in front of me in the outside lane, and the first car comes to a complete stop in the traffic circle. After a couple of seconds the car begins to move and then a car that is to my left in the inside lane which has no one in front of them, speeds around and turns right at the El Camino exit about 5' in front of me. All this happens because this uniformed driver stops in the circle and throws eveything out of sync. The guy on the inside lane probably thought he was totally in the right, but should of seen there was a car stopped and to have used caution in his exit, which he didn't display.
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-20-2018, 04:33 PM
no, no, no...………………….!
Oh wait, you said you were just a visitor.....did you read the signs at the entrance to the roundabout? I thought so.
I'm not presently visiting. I've BEEN a visitor. Several years ago, and a couple of years before that. Had a vacation rental each time. We're considering moving there, and have a lifestyle visit coming up in a couple of months. I've mentioned this a few times already.
I don't know what my being a visitor has to do with reading the signs. I don't know what you "thought."
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-20-2018, 04:44 PM
I'm looking at the PDF file. At the very first graphic, that says "CAUTION" on the upper right of the graphic, and reminding you not to use the right-hand lane to make a left turn through the roundabout. That's all well and good. But let's call these things what they are, because the whole left and right designation is confusing. There's a north/south/east/west exit. There's an INNER lane, and there's an OUTER lane, and there are ENTRIES, and there are EXITS. So. Using that graphic. I'm coming from the south, heading north. I'm enter via the inner lane, just like it shows in the graphic.
The person coming in from the EASTERN lane, is heading west. He's coming in via the OUTER lane. I enter the circle shortly before he does; but I'm not yet in clear view of him, because I haven't rounded the circle toward the eastern exit yet. We both get to the spot that's right there on the graphic where the two cars collide. Each of us is going "across" the circle; one from south to north, one from east to west. We are each allowed to use our choice of inner or outer lane, according to this graphic. Who has the right of way and who gets stuck paying who's hospital bill?
That's really what I want to know.
Mikeod
07-20-2018, 05:27 PM
I'm looking at the PDF file. At the very first graphic, that says "CAUTION" on the upper right of the graphic, and reminding you not to use the right-hand lane to make a left turn through the roundabout. That's all well and good. But let's call these things what they are, because the whole left and right designation is confusing. There's a north/south/east/west exit. There's an INNER lane, and there's an OUTER lane, and there are ENTRIES, and there are EXITS. So. Using that graphic. I'm coming from the south, heading north. I'm enter via the inner lane, just like it shows in the graphic.
The person coming in from the EASTERN lane, is heading west. He's coming in via the OUTER lane. I enter the circle shortly before he does; but I'm not yet in clear view of him, because I haven't rounded the circle toward the eastern exit yet. We both get to the spot that's right there on the graphic where the two cars collide. Each of us is going "across" the circle; one from south to north, one from east to west. We are each allowed to use our choice of inner or outer lane, according to this graphic. Who has the right of way and who gets stuck paying who's hospital bill?
That's really what I want to know.
I’ve never encountered a roundabout in TV where I could not see traffic coming toward me from my left or traffic approaching it to my right. In your scenario, the vehicle entering going east that entered after you and failed to yield to anyone in either lane is at fault. This is one of the more common errors I see. Some drivers think that it is OK to enter into the outside lane if the only vehicle in the roundabout is in the inner lane. I think this is a result of those that had experience with roundabouts in other states think they can apply the same rules here. Not necessarily true.
twoplanekid
07-20-2018, 06:52 PM
If I'm in the right lane, and making a 3/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane.
It can be confusing as in this example. Is it better to take the blue path or red path to go east on 44A? Note that the left lane is marked as only turning left yet I want to continue straight.
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-20-2018, 10:29 PM
If I'm in the right lane, and making a 3/4 turn, I'm in the wrong lane.
It can be confusing as in this example. Is it better to take the blue path or red path to go east on 44A? Note that the left lane is marked as only turning left yet I want to continue straight.
This is exactly why the "turn left" thing is pointless and meaningless. It's a circle. There is no left and right. When you get to the point where you want to exit, you will be turning RIGHT. You will never actually be taking a left, anywhere. It is a one-way circle, around to the right (counter-clockwise), and exiting to the right. The only "left" that happens, is when you enter the circle. The circle itself will always be on the left of the lane that enters the circle.
This is one of the main reasons why the whole thing is confusing. Words matter.
Marathon Man
07-21-2018, 06:11 AM
This is exactly why the "turn left" thing is pointless and meaningless. It's a circle. There is no left and right. When you get to the point where you want to exit, you will be turning RIGHT. You will never actually be taking a left, anywhere. It is a one-way circle, around to the right (counter-clockwise), and exiting to the right. The only "left" that happens, is when you enter the circle. The circle itself will always be on the left of the lane that enters the circle.
This is one of the main reasons why the whole thing is confusing. Words matter.
Left and right refer to the direction you will be traveling out of the circle in relationship to the direction entering. Just like any other intersection. Literally, just like any other intersection. I find the roundabouts simple to understand and believe that those that don't may simply be stuck on "this is new".
Now to your question. My best understanding is - exiting has the right of way. That way, no one is forced to stop while in the circle. I assume everyone is exiting at the next exit, and never place myself next to another car.
CFrance
07-21-2018, 06:15 AM
Left and right refer to the direction you will be traveling out of the circle in relationship to the direction entering. Just like any other intersection. Literally, just like any other intersection. I find the roundabouts simple to understand and believe that those that don't may simply be stuck on "this is new".
Now to your question. My best understanding is - exiting has the right of way. That way, no one is forced to stop while in the circle. I assume everyone is exiting at the next exit, and never place myself next to another car.
I wish everyone new could get your explanation. When someone on this forum provided this explanation to me 7 years ago, it all clicked. Avoid being too literal--Imagine an intersection, and everything will make sense.
Bogie Shooter
07-21-2018, 07:06 AM
I'm not presently visiting. I've BEEN a visitor. Several years ago, and a couple of years before that. Had a vacation rental each time. We're considering moving there, and have a lifestyle visit coming up in a couple of months. I've mentioned this a few times already.
I don't know what my being a visitor has to do with reading the signs. I don't know what you "thought."
I thought you were/are confused because you didn't read the signs. If you had you would not be confused.
BTW round a bouts are here to stay.
Bogie Shooter
07-21-2018, 07:14 AM
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villagerc
07-31-2018, 11:09 AM
Some lady got into the outside lane where it was to turn right only, a solid line and only one lane to go around from where we were. She then proceeded to cross over the solid line to go around the circle. I was in the inside lane to go around the complete circle and honked. Because gee...she almost HIT ME. :what: She had NO IDEA and proceeded to curse at me, give me the finger and tell me I was wrong for being in the inside lane. Ummm....NO. "If you intend to exit the roundabout more than halfway around, use the LEFT-HAND lane"
There was only ONE lane going around where we were. I told her to go back and look but it wouldn't matter. Clueless is clueless.
It's one thing if a person is right. I can understand being defensive, but when you are WRONG you are WRONG.
:boom::spoken:
MSchad
07-31-2018, 11:32 AM
We came down for a LSV last month and this was the first time I had ever encountered roundabouts. Love them! As an earlier poster explained; Exiting to right of entry point use right lane. Going straight use either lane but I prefer left. Exiting left or U-Turn use left lane. Very efficient design to keep traffic flowing smoothly.
Bogie Shooter
07-31-2018, 11:41 AM
Let it rest..........
tomwed
07-31-2018, 11:51 AM
At home to survive I had to be street wise.
Down here I just need to be circle wise.
VApeople
07-31-2018, 12:03 PM
I assume everyone is exiting at the next exit, and never place myself next to another car.
We do the same thing.
You are pretty smart for a young dude!
NotGolfer
07-31-2018, 01:11 PM
Just today....a car in the left lane excited the circle to the right crossing in front of us at LSL on Morse. Good thing we were being cautious!!!
Villagerjjm
08-13-2018, 01:06 PM
The .pdf brochure covers almost all of the "etiquette" of the traffic circles except for one point that needs a lot more emphasis: USE YOUR SIGNALS !!!!
Two Bills
08-13-2018, 01:32 PM
The .pdf brochure covers almost all of the "etiquette" of the traffic circles except for one point that needs a lot more emphasis: USE YOUR SIGNALS !!!!
Signals? Signals? This is The Villages.
We don't have none of those new fangled things here!
Some people! You will be wanting us to get in the correct lane next!
Polar Bear
08-13-2018, 02:27 PM
I agree signals are a good thing.
But I think they are far less important than simply driving the roundabouts properly in all other respects...yield to both lanes before entering, use proper lane for your movement, never drive beside another vehicle.
If you do these things, you will have no conflicts anyway so signals are just a further caution.
jpvillager
08-14-2018, 09:42 AM
Little humor: I mentioned to my neighbor that I assume nobody knows what they are doing in the round a bouts, including myself. He commented, no problem , I just take up both lanes.
porger
08-14-2018, 09:59 AM
smart!
hansb
11-12-2018, 08:19 PM
Villagers please, please signaling if you are leaving the roundabout! It helps everybody to let flow the traffic and everybody knows what you are planning to do.
j_vermilya
01-19-2019, 12:37 PM
It would help if everyone would just follow one simple rule, NEVER change lanes in a roundabout, yes, even when you are thinking it will help you line up better to the resident gate. NEVER do this. NEVER
OrangeBlossomBaby
01-19-2019, 11:24 PM
It would help if everyone would just follow one simple rule, NEVER change lanes in a roundabout, yes, even when you are thinking it will help you line up better to the resident gate. NEVER do this. NEVER
This is illogical. If it's a two-lane circle with arms coming and exiting off in all 4 directions, then the only way you can get from the inside lane to any of the arms is to cross into the outside lane.
That means - quite literally - changing lanes. Even if it's for just a split second, you are, by definition, changing lanes the moment you move from your inner lane onto one of the exit arms.
Going south to north on an inside lane. You're going just fine. But then someone who is coming in from the east, and heading west, on the OUTside lane..which he has the right to do - will be already in his own lane when you are trying to cross that lane onto the northern exit.
Regardless of "who has the right of way" this makes for awkward driving. In addition, it requires that the person on the inside lane - change lanes - in order to get out of the circle.
If you didn't change lanes you would just continue around the circle and never leave it. You're also crossing the outside lane while in the process of entering the circle, to get into the inside lane.
Polar Bear
01-20-2019, 12:04 AM
This is illogical. If it's a two-lane circle with arms coming and exiting off in all 4 directions, then the only way you can get from the inside lane to any of the arms is to cross into the outside lane.
That means - quite literally - changing lanes. Even if it's for just a split second, you are, by definition, changing lanes the moment you move from your inner lane onto one of the exit arms.
Going south to north on an inside lane. You're going just fine. But then someone who is coming in from the east, and heading west, on the OUTside lane..which he has the right to do - will be already in his own lane when you are trying to cross that lane onto the northern exit.
Regardless of "who has the right of way" this makes for awkward driving. In addition, it requires that the person on the inside lane - change lanes - in order to get out of the circle.
If you didn't change lanes you would just continue around the circle and never leave it. You're also crossing the outside lane while in the process of entering the circle, to get into the inside lane.
"Changing lanes" in the context of navigating a roundabout does not mean what you think it means.
graciegirl
01-20-2019, 09:02 AM
Patience is a virtue.
Patience is a virtue.
Patience is a virtue.
:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:
John_W
01-20-2019, 10:49 AM
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Rahkee
02-27-2019, 09:41 AM
All new residents should be informed via a class held by the villages on how to navigate roundabouts.
coffeebean
05-22-2019, 10:27 AM
If you look at the roundabout brochure, it specifically states that you should “Never change lanes in a roundabout”. This means that if you are going 3/4 around, you should enter a gate in the visitors lane. The statement is written in red on the brochure. If you follow the lines that show a left hand turn, (3/4 around), you’ll see the line going into the visitors’ gate.
I will not enter my gate in the visitors lane. Then I have to get to the right very quickly to make the first right turn as I leave the gate. I'm a resident and I will always use resident gates. I will not wait for the visitors to ask questions and get directions. I will not wait as the visitor can not figure out what to do when they passed the non manned red button.
As I exit the RAB in the inside lane, I always look in my mirror to make sure my path is clear. Then I proceed to change lanes as I exit the RAB. I'm not actually in the RAB but just leaving it as I change lanes. Then I go through the resident entry.
I know I'm retired and I have all the time in the world to spend sitting at the gates. Sorry, just not going to do it.
coffeebean
05-22-2019, 10:30 AM
We go round-a-bout on this issue every year.
I still say, you cannot be in the left lane and get to either of the entrances without crossing over the right lane. I think the statement means not to change lanes while driving inside of the roundabout. Once you're in whatever lane you entered in, stay there till you exit. Obviously, you have to cross over the outside lane from the inside lane in order to exit the roundabout. Both visitor's and residents' gates are on the right.
Unless your car turns into a hover board and you go above the traffic.
CFrance
05-22-2019, 10:39 AM
This is illogical. If it's a two-lane circle with arms coming and exiting off in all 4 directions, then the only way you can get from the inside lane to any of the arms is to cross into the outside lane.
That means - quite literally - changing lanes. Even if it's for just a split second, you are, by definition, changing lanes the moment you move from your inner lane onto one of the exit arms.
Going south to north on an inside lane. You're going just fine. But then someone who is coming in from the east, and heading west, on the OUTside lane..which he has the right to do - will be already in his own lane when you are trying to cross that lane onto the northern exit.
Regardless of "who has the right of way" this makes for awkward driving. In addition, it requires that the person on the inside lane - change lanes - in order to get out of the circle.
If you didn't change lanes you would just continue around the circle and never leave it. You're also crossing the outside lane while in the process of entering the circle, to get into the inside lane.
The Yield sign means yield TO BOTH LANES in the roundabout. So nobody should be entering from the side of you while you're already in the roundabout. That takes care of the problem of somebody entering (illegally, because you were there first) and going halfway around on the outside while you're trying to (legally) go three-fourths' of the way around on the inside. (Although people don't adhere to this yield protocol, so you still have to have eyes peeled all around your head.)
Do not enter the roundabout until whoever is already in it has passed your entry point.
What "they" (whoever "they" is) should do is change the Yield signs to read Yield to Both Lanes.
If I can get to 466, 466A, and/or 301 to get where I'm going, I can avoid most roundabouts. I've seen many a fender bender at the St. James/Buena Vista roundabout. I do acknowledge that 466 & 466A have their own set of problems. Oh well. Drive safely; be alert We need more Lerts.
coffeebean
05-22-2019, 10:52 AM
I may be putting too fine a point on it, but if you are in the inside lane, there is no way you can enter either gate, resident or visitor, without driving over the outside lane.
Hover cars are in our future!
coffeebean
05-22-2019, 11:01 AM
ALWAYS check your blind spots!!!!
I have no blind spots in my car as I have my mirrors set to give me 100% visiblity with my mirrors. My car does have the blind spot feature but I do not use it. My mirrors tell me my coast is clear 100% of the time, 100% around my car. I've had my mirrors set for no blind spot for the past 15 years and they have never failed me. I can make a very quick lane change traveling 75 mph and be 100% confident that my coast is clear. My mirrors are my best friend in my car.
How to Properly Set Your Side Mirrors - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQX2gkwJoE)
l2ridehd
05-22-2019, 11:19 AM
I honest and truly do not get why this is so hard. It's just a traffic light replacement. If in doubt look at the green signs before every circle to see how the traffic flow should go. They all have them. Yield always to traffic in the circle.
A roundabout is nothing but a traffic light replacement. Treat it that way. If turning right enter on the right. If turning left enter on the left. If going straight through use either lane. So simple.
If you were coming south on Morse and hit the light at 466. Would you stay in the right lane to make a left hand turn? That is what your doing if you go 3/4 the way around a circle in the right hand lane.
Would you enter the traffic light intersection on a red light? Would you enter if another car was in the intersection? That is what your doing if you don't yield to both lanes for cars already in the circle.
It's a traffic light replacement, treat it that way and everything works. And we will all be safe.
Bogie Shooter
05-22-2019, 11:46 AM
I assume you late posters to this thread (Feb '19) read the previous 132 posts, to be sure of your position………
.:a040:
Love2Swim
05-22-2019, 11:47 AM
This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,
58250
It is appalling that the local police won't do anything. I had an experience recently where a driver tried to sideswipe me, and engaged in dangerous behavior. It could have been a drunk, or a case of road rage. I contacted the Sumter police, and the same thing - they wouldn't do anything, even though I gave them the license plate number. Perhaps it would be worth going through the chain of command and contacting the higher ups, letting them know what happened. This driver clearly does not understand the rules of the road, and will cause a future accident.
CFrance
05-22-2019, 12:08 PM
I assume you late posters to this thread (Feb '19) read the previous 132 posts, to be sure of your position………
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Hard to resist a roundabout thread, Bogie. What goes around comes around.:boom:
CFrance
05-22-2019, 12:10 PM
I honest and truly do not get why this is so hard. It's just a traffic light replacement. If in doubt look at the green signs before every circle to see how the traffic flow should go. They all have them. Yield always to traffic in the circle.
A roundabout is nothing but a traffic light replacement. Treat it that way. If turning right enter on the right. If turning left enter on the left. If going straight through use either lane. So simple.
If you were coming south on Morse and hit the light at 466. Would you stay in the right lane to make a left hand turn? That is what your doing if you go 3/4 the way around a circle in the right hand lane.
Would you enter the traffic light intersection on a red light? Would you enter if another car was in the intersection? That is what your doing if you don't yield to both lanes for cars already in the circle.
It's a traffic light replacement, treat it that way and everything works. And we will all be safe.
I hate it when you confuse people with logic.:ohdear:
coffeebean
05-22-2019, 03:41 PM
I assume you late posters to this thread (Feb '19) read the previous 132 posts, to be sure of your position………
.:a040:
Yes, I have read the entire thread. I was aware this was an old thread and I'm surprised it wasn't CLOSED by now.
j_vermilya
06-15-2019, 03:02 PM
I repeat, one simple request, you are to never change lanes in a roundabout. Every day, people in the inside lane move to the outside lane as they are getting ready to exit, I guess because often the resident lane for the gates is on the right? NEVER change lanes in a roundabout
OrangeBlossomBaby
06-15-2019, 04:53 PM
I repeat, one simple request, you are to never change lanes in a roundabout. Every day, people in the inside lane move to the outside lane as they are getting ready to exit, I guess because often the resident lane for the gates is on the right? NEVER change lanes in a roundabout
In order to exit, you have to cross the outermost lane. That lane continues around the circle and the only way out of the circle is to turn RIGHT. Turning right, in order to get to the exit, no matter which gate you go through (and even if there is no gate on the other side), requires that your vehicle turns onto the outermost lane on your way out of the circle.
This is simple science and math. It's basic geometry. It is also why people get annoyed when someone says "don't ever move to the outermost lane." You have to, or you'd continue going around in circles forever. That is the nature of a circle.
CFrance
06-16-2019, 04:15 PM
In order to exit, you have to cross the outermost lane. That lane continues around the circle and the only way out of the circle is to turn RIGHT. Turning right, in order to get to the exit, no matter which gate you go through (and even if there is no gate on the other side), requires that your vehicle turns onto the outermost lane on your way out of the circle.
This is simple science and math. It's basic geometry. It is also why people get annoyed when someone says "don't ever move to the outermost lane." You have to, or you'd continue going around in circles forever. That is the nature of a circle.
Thank you. I have this discussion with my husband frequently. Exiting into the visitor's gate does not mean you aren't changing lanes. The point is to look all around you before exiting.
Marathon Man
06-16-2019, 04:32 PM
In order to exit, you have to cross the outermost lane. That lane continues around the circle and the only way out of the circle is to turn RIGHT. Turning right, in order to get to the exit, no matter which gate you go through (and even if there is no gate on the other side), requires that your vehicle turns onto the outermost lane on your way out of the circle.
This is simple science and math. It's basic geometry. It is also why people get annoyed when someone says "don't ever move to the outermost lane." You have to, or you'd continue going around in circles forever. That is the nature of a circle.
You are mis-understanding the post that you were replying to. Many drivers will move from the inside lane to the ouside lane BEFORE reaching the exit lanes. They do this because they feel that they must line up to the exit lane leading to the 'resident' gate. It is truly a lane change and not crossing the lane. They are in the inside lane and end up taking the right hand exit. Not good, but all to common.
OrangeBlossomBaby
06-16-2019, 05:30 PM
You are mis-understanding the post that you were replying to. Many drivers will move from the inside lane to the ouside lane BEFORE reaching the exit lanes. They do this because they feel that they must line up to the exit lane leading to the 'resident' gate. It is truly a lane change and not crossing the lane. They are in the inside lane and end up taking the right hand exit. Not good, but all to common.
There is no left exit out of a counter-clockwise-moving traffic circle. There is only one right exit, with either one or two lanes out. All exits out of counter-clockwise-moving traffic circles are right exits. Again - simple geometry, the nature of a circle.
j_vermilya
07-14-2019, 11:50 AM
Thank you, exactly right! There should be no lane changes while still in the roundabout, ever.
DeaconDick
08-07-2020, 09:35 AM
Great Info! One thing that i know will decrease srtess in roundabouts is to always signal your intentions!
Polar Bear
08-07-2020, 10:11 AM
Crossing a lane and changing lanes while in the roundabout are two different maneuvers.
If you are in the inside lane, you must cross the outside lane to exit. Changing lanes while in the roundabout in always a big no-no.
Two Bills
08-07-2020, 12:01 PM
Two Hail Mary's, shut your eyes, put you foot down.
Works for most Villagers!
D.Bolen
08-07-2020, 12:46 PM
The Villages roundabouts are not all created equal. Some feature last-minute elimination of the right lane and/or require unexpected last-minute crossover to access your desired exit. Therefore, my goal for navigating them safely is to personally become as familiar as possible with the areas where these exceptions lie, and to DRIVE DEFENSIVELY and BE VERY PATIENT with other drivers who may never have driven these roads before (and consider the possibility of poor eyesight). Additionally, many in The Villages are from areas where roundabouts are rare or where roundabout etiquette varies (some have been taught to slow for an opening in traffic to enter, and some (like in So. CA) have been taught to accelerate into them as they do when entering freeways). Also, always be wary of drivers who appear to be in the process of exiting and suddenly veer back into the circle.
jj6426
10-18-2020, 06:59 PM
Yes, you're right. BUT, you should not enter a roundabout if there are any other cars in it that you can see. Otherwise, you could be in the right lane of the main road (like Buena Vista) and wanting to go straight when there is another car in the LEFT lane of the roundabout that wants to take a right onto El Camino. I've seen this time and again. Just don't enter the roundabout until it is clear of all cars that you can see.
Topspinmo
10-18-2020, 09:33 PM
If there had been a collision, the officer would have had something to investigate.
Or the officer has to witness it.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-27-2020, 10:47 AM
I very rarely have trouble negotiating round about because I understand the rules. But today someone had a problem with me and a gate attendant told me I was wrong. I disagree.
I was in the right hand lane and intended to stay in the right hand lane and take the first exit. As I was about to enter the round about, there was a car in the left hand lane just coming into view. I entered the round about and stayed in my lane. The car in the round about decided to not only take the same exit, which would have been fine, but also decided to switch lanes almost hitting me. He blew his horn as if I was in the wrong. When I got to the gate, the attendant yelled, "you should never enter the round about when there is another car in it". I replied that the other car had changed lanes and almost hit me". She said, "It doesn't matter. The cars in the round about have the right of way."
I fully understand the right of way and had the other car been in the right hand lane or had I intended to go to the second exit, I would have waited for the other car to pass. But in this case, the lane was open and there wouldn't have been a problem if the other person hadn't decided to change lanes into the side of my car.
I believe that I didn't do anything wrong here but I honestly don't know what the law states,
Does anyone know the actual law?
CWGUY
10-27-2020, 11:09 AM
:) From: "Sumter County Guide to Navigating Roundabouts" found on The District Web Site.
Navigating Roundabouts
• Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in
traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the roundabout, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf
Two Bills
10-27-2020, 11:23 AM
You should not enter roundabout until both lanes to left are clear.
The other driver on inside lane should have exited into the visitors lane before crossing to resident lane.
But you should not have entered before he passed anyway.
Two No No's
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-27-2020, 11:43 AM
You should not enter roundabout until both lanes to left are clear.
The other driver on inside lane should have exited into the visitors lane before crossing to resident lane.
But you should not have entered before he passed anyway.
Two No No's
Is that the law or your opinion?
I didn't enter beside the other car so as far as I'm concerned, both lanes were clear. He was just past the third exit so I was in front of him. if I was at six o'clock, he was at about eight o'clock.
CWGUY
10-27-2020, 12:45 PM
:ohdear: And almost had an accident..... saving what??? 2 seconds??? More important to be safe IMHO. :)
Stu from NYC
10-27-2020, 01:01 PM
I have an M1 tank to rent for special occasions on roundabouts.
PM me for special rates and conditions.
Two Bills
10-27-2020, 03:34 PM
The law is both lanes clear to the left.
How you interpret it is your risk and option.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-28-2020, 08:31 AM
The law is both lanes clear to the left.
How you interpret it is your risk and option.
Can you cite or post a link to that law?
I've heard people say that they never enter a round about if there is another car in it. This is basically what the gate attendant said to me and I find this idea to be totally absurd.
How far to the left is considered clear? On some round abouts you can see all the way across. If you're a six o'clock and a car enters at twelve o'clock are you supposed to wait until they have passed? As far as I'm concerned, when a car is at nine o"clock and I'm at six o'clock, the lane is clear. If we were on a straight road, I'd be able to move into that lane.
rustyp
10-28-2020, 08:51 AM
Can you cite or post a link to that law?
I've heard people say that they never enter a round about if there is another car in it. This is basically what the gate attendant said to me and I find this idea to be totally absurd.
How far to the left is considered clear? On some round abouts you can see all the way across. If you're a six o'clock and a car enters at twelve o'clock are you supposed to wait until they have passed? As far as I'm concerned, when a car is at nine o"clock and I'm at six o'clock, the lane is clear. If we were on a straight road, I'd be able to move into that lane.
The moderator was kind enough to start this thread and supply a guide from Sumter County Board Of Commissioners.
Navigating Roundabouts
• Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in
traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the roundabout, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit
It also explicitly states do not change lanes in a roundabout. Given those two statements the means the car that was in the roundabout and in the left lane has the right to make a right hand turn in front of you from the left lane since you were to yield to that person before entry and not overtake that person while the person in the left lane was to not switch out of the left lane once in the roundabout.
The misunderstanding of "you can not make a right turn from the left lane" is the number one cause of accidents in roundabouts.
Another TOTV thread starts with good intentions supported with visual aides goes astray due to posters not reading the original post. Then the old tell a secret and pass it down the line game starts and original intent gets lost.
With respect did you read the guide and are saying it is wrong ?
Topspinmo
10-28-2020, 09:20 AM
Can you cite or post a link to that law?
I've heard people say that they never enter a round about if there is another car in it. This is basically what the gate attendant said to me and I find this idea to be totally absurd.
How far to the left is considered clear? On some round abouts you can see all the way across. If you're a six o'clock and a car enters at twelve o'clock are you supposed to wait until they have passed? As far as I'm concerned, when a car is at nine o"clock and I'm at six o'clock, the lane is clear. If we were on a straight road, I'd be able to move into that lane.
The term yield enters the equation. When you can safely pull out and not block inside lane vehicle from exiting
Polar Bear
10-28-2020, 09:22 AM
Over complicating a bit imo, Doc. Just yield to both lanes in the roundabout. If a car is close enough in either lane in the circle to cause a potential conflict, wait.
j_vermilya
11-21-2020, 11:04 AM
WHY do people insist, when they are in the inside lane and exiting, to change lanes before they leave the roundabout. It seems to be because they want to get in the resident lane at the gate. 1...there is no need to do this...2. Never change lanes in a round about. Almost everyone seems to do this...why? You are setting yourself up to cause an accident by being hit by those entering the round about. Stop it
CFrance
11-21-2020, 11:59 AM
WHY do people insist, when they are in the inside lane and exiting, to change lanes before they leave the roundabout. It seems to be because they want to get in the resident lane at the gate. 1...there is no need to do this...2. Never change lanes in a round about. Almost everyone seems to do this...why? You are setting yourself up to cause an accident by being hit by those entering the round about. Stop it
Okay.
PugMom
11-21-2020, 12:13 PM
i beg of you cyclists:PLEASE get off the roads. in 1987 i was on my bicycle coming home from work. i was hit head on by a speeder, thrown 30ft & landed with my face on the curb. my whole face was smashed in. i was airlifted & spent 5 days on a respirator in a Hartford trauma unit. yes, i had a GREAT lawyer who won me lots of $$, but what good did that do? i've had 2 spinal fusions, massive facial reconstruction & replace all the teeth that were knocked out.
is your right to drive in the road really worth that much to you? i learned i am no match for a 2ton vehicle, the injuries i sustained are still being treated 2day. i cannot walk more than 100yards without pain. i can't sit or sleep in certain positions. cannot lift even a gallon of milk without having trigger injections to combat the spasms. the last thing i want to do is sound like i'm preaching, but pls., think about it 1st.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
11-21-2020, 12:24 PM
Thanks, admin. Even doing "as they say", I always assume someone is likely to hit me, so I watch every vehicle/person/bike/cart/whatever that is anywhere near me.
You always have to be aware of other cars everywhere, but especially in a round about. An accident can occur even when both drivers are obeying the rule albeit on of them is being stupid.
Let's say you are entering in the left hand lane and intending to go straight through or to the second exit depending on how you wan to look at it. As you pass the first exit, a car enters in the right hand lane and intends to go straight through or to his second exit. As you exit the round about it's possible, if the other driver is not paying attention that he can collide with the side of your car.
I have to take the third exit at a specific round about, about twice a week. It seems that there is always someone entering at my second exit in the right hand lane. I am always looking at my mirror and have my right directional on well before the exit.
Like I said, you can both be following the rules but a collision can happen if you're not paying attention.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
11-21-2020, 12:25 PM
Okay.
I do it all the time, but I always look to make sure that it is safe to do so. But you're right. In many cases there is enough room to change lanes after you've exited the round about.
Bill14564
11-21-2020, 12:59 PM
You always have to be aware of other cars everywhere, but especially in a round about. An accident can occur even when both drivers are obeying the rule albeit on of them is being stupid.
Let's say you are entering in the left hand lane and intending to go straight through or to the second exit depending on how you wan to look at it. As you pass the first exit, a car enters in the right hand lane and intends to go straight through or to his second exit. As you exit the round about it's possible, if the other driver is not paying attention that he can collide with the side of your car.
I have to take the third exit at a specific round about, about twice a week. It seems that there is always someone entering at my second exit in the right hand lane. I am always looking at my mirror and have my right directional on well before the exit.
Like I said, you can both be following the rules but a collision can happen if you're not paying attention.
I believe (can't find a definitive statement) that the vehicle that is entering as you pass is not entering properly. I believe vehicles entering the roundabout are supposed to yield to vehicles already in the roundabout regardless of the lane they are using. The vehicle that enters next to you did not wait for you to pass.
If the vehicle that had entered next to you had waited for you to pass then you would have had time to exit in front of him without risking him hitting you. Of course, he would have needed to be paying attention.
Also, the vehicle in the outside lane, the one that runs the risk of hitting you, is crossing a dashed line at the point you are exiting. Whenever you cross a dashed line you are responsible for ensuring it is safe to do so. But again, that would require the other driver to be paying attention.
It is probably safest to assume the other guy is going to do something wrong. As you mention, the best thing to do is to pay attention.
Polar Bear
11-21-2020, 01:47 PM
i beg of you cyclists:PLEASE get off the roads. in 1987 i was on my bicycle coming home from work. i was hit head on by a speeder, thrown 30ft & landed with my face on the curb. my whole face was smashed in. i was airlifted & spent 5 days on a respirator in a Hartford trauma unit. yes, i had a GREAT lawyer who won me lots of $$, but what good did that do? i've had 2 spinal fusions, massive facial reconstruction & replace all the teeth that were knocked out.
is your right to drive in the road really worth that much to you? i learned i am no match for a 2ton vehicle, the injuries i sustained are still being treated 2day. i cannot walk more than 100yards without pain. i can't sit or sleep in certain positions. cannot lift even a gallon of milk without having trigger injections to combat the spasms. the last thing i want to do is sound like i'm preaching, but pls., think about it 1st.
Wow. My sympathy and admiration to you. And as far as I’m concerned...preach on!!
I avoid the roads because I feel like my safety would be in the hands of the driver of every vehicle that would pass me. I want my safety in my hands to the greatest degree possible, and I feel like it’s much more that way when I stay on the MMP and ride with a basic set of rules to avoid conflicts with golf carts.
Bogie Shooter
11-21-2020, 01:55 PM
WHY do people insist, when they are in the inside lane and exiting, to change lanes before they leave the roundabout. It seems to be because they want to get in the resident lane at the gate. 1...there is no need to do this...2. Never change lanes in a round about. Almost everyone seems to do this...why? You are setting yourself up to cause an accident by being hit by those entering the round about. Stop it
Your answer has to be in the previous 166 posts.......................:) have you looked?
VApeople
11-27-2020, 12:41 PM
You are setting yourself up to cause an accident by being hit by those entering the round about. Stop it
No, I will not stop it.
When I am driving thru a roundabout, other cars are not allowed to enter the roundabout. I always have my hand on the horn and I give a loud and long honk when I see another car starting to enter the roundabout.
CFrance
11-27-2020, 01:14 PM
You always have to be aware of other cars everywhere, but especially in a round about. An accident can occur even when both drivers are obeying the rule albeit on of them is being stupid.
Let's say you are entering in the left hand lane and intending to go straight through or to the second exit depending on how you wan to look at it. As you pass the first exit, a car enters in the right hand lane and intends to go straight through or to his second exit. As you exit the round about it's possible, if the other driver is not paying attention that he can collide with the side of your car.
I have to take the third exit at a specific round about, about twice a week. It seems that there is always someone entering at my second exit in the right hand lane. I am always looking at my mirror and have my right directional on well before the exit.
Like I said, you can both be following the rules but a collision can happen if you're not paying attention.
They are in the wrong, as they didn't yield to cars in the roundabout. They aren't actually following the rules.
Polar Bear
11-27-2020, 02:38 PM
They are in the wrong, as they didn't yield to cars in the roundabout. They aren't actually following the rules.
Yup.
thevillages2013
12-08-2020, 06:03 AM
Here is a nice brochure for visitors and new residents of The Villages Florida on navigating the Roundabouts.
TOTV Team
All this info is great and spot on except for using turn signals in the roundabouts. Most people I see using them don’t use them properly. Are you going to trust someone’s turn signal in a roundabout and pull out in front of them? Not me
jacksonbrown
12-08-2020, 06:50 AM
Most people I see using them don’t use them properly.
So tell us how to use them properly.
Turn signals are the norm in the UK.
Matzy
06-10-2022, 09:06 AM
Here is a nice brochure for visitors and new residents of The Villages Florida on navigating the Roundabouts.
TOTV Team
Thank you TOTV Team for that brochure. I hope a lot of people are be able to read and understand it. It seems to me that is an ongoing topic since I came to The Villages. Roundabouts are one of the easiest traffic regulations in my mind. I learned it first time in Paris (be aware if you have an accident there, non of any insurances will pay) and London.
Thanks again
mikeycereal
06-25-2022, 04:10 PM
My biggest hurdle was negotiating those that are either exiting the roundabout to my left or continuing through. Looks the same until they turn. When in doubt yield, don't guess because they just go shooting right through. When I'm spinning through I always watch others to see if they slow down before coming in. Just a habit of driving I picked up, watch the other car for anything that could happen. Back in Vegas one day I was behind a driver who signaled and he actually was halfway into his right turn going into another street and changed his mind and curved back out in front of me. If I would've sped up as he turned he would've hit me. I still had to brake though for that fool.
nhenson
02-02-2023, 07:18 AM
I would appreciate it if someone plans to exit from a roundabout to use a tight turn signal if coming south so someone waiting to enter knows you are exiting. For example, if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.
Bogie Shooter
02-02-2023, 07:49 AM
I would appreciate it if someone plans to exit from a roundabout to use a tight turn signal if coming south so someone waiting to enter knows you are exiting. For example, if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.
Did you notice this was covered in the previous 180 posts? Really?
RICH1
02-02-2023, 07:53 AM
Will this Post end , if Traffic lights are installed?
JMintzer
02-02-2023, 08:14 AM
I would appreciate it if someone plans to exit from a roundabout to use a tight turn signal if coming south so someone waiting to enter knows you are exiting. For example, if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.
What about if they're heading north? :p
JMintzer
02-02-2023, 08:15 AM
Will this Post end , if Traffic lights are installed?
Probably. But then we'll have a ton of threads complaining about the slow "stop and go" traffic at all of the new intersections...
Bilyclub
02-02-2023, 08:18 AM
I would appreciate it if someone plans to exit from a roundabout to use a tight turn signal if coming south so someone waiting to enter knows you are exiting. For example, if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.
Can you trust a turn signal here, no.
djlnc
02-03-2023, 07:40 AM
What about if they're heading north? :p
Does not apply to northbound traffic. :smiley:
VApeople
02-06-2023, 07:45 AM
if you are driving south on Buena Vista and plan to exit on Bailey Trail near Lake Miona, please signal so I know I can enter the roundabout.
No, I will not signal!
You must wait until I have made my turn. You must not enter the roundabout while I am driving in the roundabout.
FinallyHome352
03-07-2023, 04:36 PM
Exactly
FinallyHome352
03-07-2023, 04:36 PM
Just takes basic courtesy.
Bogie Shooter
03-07-2023, 05:27 PM
Just takes basic courtesy.
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Calisport
03-07-2023, 10:05 PM
One quick note. People look down at the ground as you drive. There are arrows in each lane directing which lane you need to be in.
VApeople
03-08-2023, 12:33 PM
One quick note. People look down at the ground as you drive. There are arrows in each lane directing which lane you need to be in.
No! Ignore the arrows on the ground!
Before you enter a roundabout, there is a sign that shows how you are allowed to drive.
For example, if you are in the right lane, you cannot go 3/4 around the roundabout. If you are in the left lane, you cannot take the first right turn. Most of us know these rules and follow them.
Of course, we cannot expect everyone to follow these rules. That is why I drive thru a roundabout slowly with my hand on the horn
bmit16
04-29-2023, 08:07 AM
It should be noted that when in a roundabout, if you are crossing a line, solid or broken, you must yield to any vehicle following the lane they are in. In many occaisions people entering a roundabout in the right lane and continue past the 1st exit, crossing the broken line, fail to yield to the person in the inside lane following that lane into the exit that the person in the outside lane is bypassing. If the bikes were crossing that broken line, they failed to yield.
mikeycereal
04-30-2023, 07:46 AM
Another tip: If you're going around beside another car, either go ahead of them (so you're more in their line of vision) or fall behind because you never know if they will make a wrong move like merging into your space. If you're behind at least you can see them and anticipate. I usually do this on normal roads too because drivers may suddenly move into their blind spots. Avoiding accidents can be an acquired skill.
djlnc
05-01-2023, 06:44 AM
It should be noted that when in a roundabout, if you are crossing a line, solid or broken,
You should not be crossing a solid line.
TVTVTV
10-20-2023, 12:52 PM
I think there had to be some benefit. Many motorist actually read road signs.
What would you suggest in place of the signs?
The little green signs are posted so close to the roundabout that a driver cannot read the street names and decide impromptu which lane in a few seconds, all the while driving abd watching the other traffic. Roundabouts are easy for those who know the area and frequently travel the same route. Drivers unfamiliar, including many snowbirds, need to practice roundabout rules according to the previous posted diagrams, and not cut over because they didn't know which exit they needed. By posting an additional little green sign further back would give drivers more than just a few seconds to read and decide which exit they need. Again, it's almost always those unfamiliar with where they are going.
Bogie Shooter
10-20-2023, 01:47 PM
Now there are two round-a-bout threats open.:swear::22yikes::censored:
dewilson58
10-20-2023, 03:35 PM
I think we should drive clockwise every other month so my left tires get the same wear as my right tires.
:coolsmiley::coolsmiley:
asianthree
10-20-2023, 03:37 PM
I think we should drive clockwise every other month so my left tires get the same wear as my right tires.
:coolsmiley::coolsmiley:
But don’t you go right, to go left?
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 03:38 PM
I think we should drive clockwise every other month so my left tires get the same wear as my right tires.
:coolsmiley::coolsmiley:
You wouldn't be the first to try it :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
dewilson58
10-20-2023, 03:42 PM
But don’t you go right, to go left?
Safety first............my slight right into the circle is at a very low speed.
I don't get up to 45 mph until I'm 1/3 around the circle.
:crap2:
Randall55
10-20-2023, 03:55 PM
The little green signs are posted so close to the roundabout that a driver cannot read the street names and decide impromptu which lane in a few seconds, all the while driving abd watching the other traffic. Roundabouts are easy for those who know the area and frequently travel the same route. Drivers unfamiliar, including many snowbirds, need to practice roundabout rules according to the previous posted diagrams, and not cut over because they didn't know which exit they needed. By posting an additional little green sign further back would give drivers more than just a few seconds to read and decide which exit they need. Again, it's almost always those unfamiliar with where they are going. I agree. Additional signs need to be posted further down from the roundabout. This will provide plenty of time to make a lane switch, if necessary. Newcomers are not expecting a road like Morse to curve. They believe it is always straight thru and stay in the right lane.
Bill14564
10-20-2023, 04:04 PM
I agree. Additional signs need to be posted further down from the roundabout. This will provide plenty of time to make a lane switch, if necessary. Newcomers are not expecting a road like Morse to curve. They believe it is always straight thru and stay in the right lane.
Where does Morse curve such that staying in the right lane doesn't keep you on Morse? I can't think of a spot from 44 to 466, it doesn't appear to have any circles north of 466, and the the right lane through the Warm Springs circle still keeps you on Morse according to the signs.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 04:08 PM
I very rarely have trouble negotiating round about because I understand the rules. But today someone had a problem with me and a gate attendant told me I was wrong. I disagree.
I was in the right hand lane and intended to stay in the right hand lane and take the first exit. As I was about to enter the round about, there was a car in the left hand lane just coming into view. I entered the round about and stayed in my lane. The car in the round about decided to not only take the same exit, which would have been fine, but also decided to switch lanes almost hitting me. He blew his horn as if I was in the wrong. When I got to the gate, the attendant yelled, "you should never enter the round about when there is another car in it". I replied that the other car had changed lanes and almost hit me". She said, "It doesn't matter. The cars in the round about have the right of way."
I fully understand the right of way and had the other car been in the right hand lane or had I intended to go to the second exit, I would have waited for the other car to pass. But in this case, the lane was open and there wouldn't have been a problem if the other person hadn't decided to change lanes into the side of my car.
I believe that I didn't do anything wrong here but I honestly don't know what the law states,
Does anyone know the actual law? You should have been able to make your right turn without expecting to get hit or nearly hit. You are correct.
However, You forgot that rule we have all heard about before...Never Assume. You know what happens when you do that.
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 04:18 PM
I very rarely have trouble negotiating round about because I understand the rules. But today someone had a problem with me and a gate attendant told me I was wrong. I disagree.
I was in the right hand lane and intended to stay in the right hand lane and take the first exit. As I was about to enter the round about, there was a car in the left hand lane just coming into view. I entered the round about and stayed in my lane. The car in the round about decided to not only take the same exit, which would have been fine, but also decided to switch lanes almost hitting me. He blew his horn as if I was in the wrong. When I got to the gate, the attendant yelled, "you should never enter the round about when there is another car in it". I replied that the other car had changed lanes and almost hit me". She said, "It doesn't matter. The cars in the round about have the right of way."
I fully understand the right of way and had the other car been in the right hand lane or had I intended to go to the second exit, I would have waited for the other car to pass. But in this case, the lane was open and there wouldn't have been a problem if the other person hadn't decided to change lanes into the side of my car.
I believe that I didn't do anything wrong here but I honestly don't know what the law states,
Does anyone know the actual law?
Yes, and you did something wrong and the gate attendant was right. The law states you must WAIT and FULLY YIELD to any vehicle in EITHER lane of the RB. If you note, at most exits the solid white line between lanes in the RB becomes dashed . This is so someone who has legally entered in the inner lane and going to the 2nd or 3rd exit can get to the resident entry. It has nothing to do with the outer lane that you intended to use being clear, both lanes must be clear, and had there been an accident, you would have been cited. Sorry.
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 04:19 PM
You should have been able to make your right turn without expecting to get hit or nearly hit. You are correct.
However, You forgot that rule we have all heard about before...Never Assume. You know what happens when you do that.
And as explained in post 207, you are wrong.
Excerpts from the Sumter County BOCC brochure that we all got when we moved here:
Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to all traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation
Navigating Roundabouts • Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 04:30 PM
Where does Morse curve such that staying in the right lane doesn't keep you on Morse? I can't think of a spot from 44 to 466, it doesn't appear to have any circles north of 466, and the the right lane through the Warm Springs circle still keeps you on Morse according to the signs.Lake Sumter
NoMoSno
10-20-2023, 04:32 PM
I'm surprised this thread is 8 years old and is only 15 pages long.
Everyone must be mastering the roundabouts...:shocked:
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 04:33 PM
Lake Sumter
Wrong again. From the right lane headed north, you can take the bypass or enter the RB. Headed south, both lanes enter the RB. Based on these posts, please stay far away from me in a RB. Thank you.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 04:54 PM
And as explained in post 207, you are wrong.
Excerpts from the Sumter County BOCC brochure that we all got when we moved here:
Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to all traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation
Navigating Roundabouts • Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.In this particular scenario, I am not wrong. The driver wanting to make a right turn saw another vehicle approaching in the opposite lane. The driver coming at her made a sudden lane change after exiting. That driver should have waited for the lane to be clear because he was no longer in the roundabout.
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 04:57 PM
In this particular scenario, I am not wrong. The driver wanting to make a right turn saw another vehicle approaching in the opposite lane. The driver coming at her made a sudden lane change after exiting. That driver should have waited for the lane to be clear because he was no longer in the roundabout.
Sorry, but the person ENTERING the RB is the person who has to yield---to both lanes.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 05:01 PM
Wrong again. From the right lane headed north, you can take the bypass or enter the RB. Headed south, both lanes enter the RB. Based on these posts, please stay far away from me in a RB. Thank you.Nope! I do not travel that area often but there is one place where morse curves. I missed it but followed the rules of the RAB. Exited correctly, then turned around correctly. Then entered the RAB ,a second time, and excited correctly. I would not endanger any vehicles by switching lanes due to my mistake. I took the extra time to get off, turn around, and reenter. If you are unfamiliar with an area, mistakes happen. But, you need to follow traffic rules.
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 05:11 PM
Nope! I do not travel that area often but there is one place where morse curves. I missed it but followed the rules of the RAB. Exited correctly, then turned around correctly. Then entered the RAB ,a second time, and excited correctly. I would not endanger any vehicles by switching lanes due to my mistake. I took the extra time to get off, turn around, and reenter. If you are unfamiliar with an area, mistakes happen. But, you need to follow traffic rules.
I'm trying to work with you here, but I can't figure this post out.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 05:14 PM
Sorry, but the person ENTERING the RB is the person who has to yield---to both lanes.Not when you are OUT of the roundabout. If you are at a red light and want to make a right turn, you check to see if the lane is clear. This is what the driver did. Then proceeded.
In this scenario, the car exiting made a sudden lane change probably wanting to line up with the resident gate and cut the driver off. When he changed lanes, he should have made certain it was clear. Again, they were OUTSIDE of the roundabout.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 05:19 PM
I'm trying to work with you here, but I can't figure this post out.I am just stating there MOST DEFINITELY is a place near Sumter going to 466 where Morse curves to the left.
You assumed I broke the traffic rules. I did not! I was in the right lane and went straight thru as that was my only option.
Then, I turned around, headed back to the RAB and excited correctly.
Some people would have switched lanes in the RAB when they made a mistake. I did not!
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 05:20 PM
Not when you are OUT of the roundabout. If you are at a red light and want to make a right turn, you check to see if the lane is clear. This is what the driver did. Then proceeded.
In this scenario, the car exiting made a sudden lane change probably wanting to line up with the resident gate and cut the driver off. When he changed lanes, he should have made certain it was clear. Again, they were OUTSIDE of the roundabout.
Exactly. When you are "out" of the RB, you MUST YIELD to any vehicle inside the RB. Roundabout navigation 101. The rule is that way to exactly prevent what Winnie described.
The brochure from Sumter county is post 1 of this thread
Randall55
10-20-2023, 05:32 PM
Exactly. When you are "out" of the RB, you MUST YIELD to any vehicle inside the RB. Roundabout navigation 101. The rule is that way to exactly prevent what Winnie described.
The brochure from Sumter county is post 1 of this threadA vehicle should be able to make a right hand turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. This is the reason you are allowed to make a right turn on a red light.
Same with a roundabout. If you are making a right turn and your lane is clear, you can go. The driver should not expect another vehicle in the opposite lane to suddenly cross over and cutting you off.
In this scenario, the person making the right turn did it correctly. Checked to see if the lane was clear then proceeded. It was the other car who suddenly jumped lanes instead of yielding to the car that was now in front of him that was wrong.
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 05:48 PM
A vehicle should be able to make a right hand turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. This is the reason you are allowed to make a right turn on a red light.
Same with a roundabout. If you are making a right turn and your lane is clear, you can go. The driver should not expect another vehicle in the opposite lane to suddenly cross over and cutting you off.
In this scenario, the person making the right turn did it correctly. Checked to see if the lane was clear then proceeded. It was the other car who suddenly jumped lanes instead of yielding to the car that was now in front of him that was wrong.
You might think it’s the same, but it is not
Randall55
10-20-2023, 06:02 PM
You might think it’s the same, but it is notYou might think it is different, but it is not. An intersection is an intersection. A vehicle should be able to make a right turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. Florida law allows a right hand turn when the lane is clear.
What the law does not allow is to suddenly change lanes cutting a vehicle off.
Again, yielding only takes a few seconds. Jumping lanes to line yourself up to the resident gate because the visitor gate is too inconvenient for you is not sufficient reason to cut a driver off. The driver who made the right hand turn did so legally. The car behind must now wait or take the visitor gate entrance. Those are the only two options.
Me? I would wait before making the right turn. As many posters have stated, many drivers exit the inner circle then abruptly jump lanes to use the resident gate. I don't get it! It is not difficult to use the visitor gate.
Bogie Shooter
10-20-2023, 07:12 PM
You might think it’s the same, but it is not
You might think it is different, but it is not. An intersection is an intersection. A vehicle should be able to make a right turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. Florida law allows a right hand turn when the lane is clear.
What the law does not allow is to suddenly change lanes cutting a vehicle off.
Again, yielding only takes a few seconds. Jumping lanes to line yourself up to the resident gate because the visitor gate is too inconvenient for you is not sufficient reason to cut a driver off. The driver who made the right hand turn did so legally. The car behind must now wait or take the visitor gate entrance. Those are the only two options.
Me? I would wait before making the right turn. As many posters have stated, many drivers exit the inner circle then suddenly jump lanes to use the resident gate. I don't get it! It is not difficult to use the visitor gate.
You guys should start your own thread, no , no wait that would mean three roundabout threads. Lordy, Lordy another 185+ posts.:crap2:
Bill14564
10-20-2023, 07:32 PM
You might think it is different, but it is not. An intersection is an intersection. A vehicle should be able to make a right turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. Florida law allows a right hand turn when the lane is clear.
What the law does not allow is to suddenly change lanes cutting a vehicle off.
Again, yielding only takes a few seconds. Jumping lanes to line yourself up to the resident gate because the visitor gate is too inconvenient for you is not sufficient reason to cut a driver off. The driver who made the right hand turn did so legally. The car behind must now wait or take the visitor gate entrance. Those are the only two options.
Me? I would wait before making the right turn. As many posters have stated, many drivers exit the inner circle then abruptly jump lanes to use the resident gate. I don't get it! It is not difficult to use the visitor gate.
Are you suggesting you would make a right on red onto a four lane road with a car approaching in the fast lane? That's some risky business! There is nothing keeping the other vehicle from changing lanes and making your right on red less than successful.
But that's besides the point. While the circle works similar to a 4-way intersection, it is not. The intersecting roads have yield signs, not stop signs or stop lights. Traffic is free to enter the RB without stopping but that traffic MUST YIELD to ALL traffic already in the RB. Don't like it? Don't agree with it? Doesn't change how a RB works.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 07:33 PM
You guys should start your own thread, no , no wait that would mean three roundabout threads. Lordy, Lordy another 185+ posts.:crap2:We do not need to start another thread. A driver's responsibility when entering a RAB is to make certain it is clear before proceeding. It is obvious when it is clear to make a right hand turn, you can go. You should not expect ANYONE to cut you off AFTER YOU HAVE EXITED THE ROUNDABOUT. Any driver behind you on the side street must wait until it is safe to pass you. COMMON SENSE.
Bill14564
10-20-2023, 07:38 PM
I am just stating there MOST DEFINITELY is a place near Sumter going to 466 where Morse curves to the left.
You assumed I broke the traffic rules. I did not! I was in the right lane and went straight thru as that was my only option.
Then, I turned around, headed back to the RAB and excited correctly.
Some people would have switched lanes in the RAB when they made a mistake. I did not!
There are many curves on Morse and there are many RBs on Morse. But, there is no RB where entering in the right lane does not result in staying on Morse.
Proving your case is easy, just post the name of the cross street or a picture of the green sign that shows going straight does not stay on Morse.
djlnc
10-20-2023, 07:38 PM
We do not need to start another thread. A driver's responsibility when entering a RAB is to make certain it is clear before proceeding. It is obvious when it is clear to make a right hand turn, you can go. You should not expect ANYONE to cut you off AFTER YOU HAVE EXITED THE ROUNDABOUT. Any driver behind you on the side street must wait until it is safe to pass you. COMMON SENSE.
If you're talking about what happens after you exit the roundabout, the comment doesn't belong here.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 07:46 PM
Are you suggesting you would make a right on red onto a four lane road with a car approaching in the fast lane? That's some risky business! There is nothing keeping the other vehicle from changing lanes and making your right on red less than successful.
But that's besides the point. While the circle works similar to a 4-way intersection, it is not. The intersecting roads have yield signs, not stop signs or stop lights. Traffic is free to enter the RB without stopping but that traffic MUST YIELD to ALL traffic already in the RB. Don't like it? Don't agree with it? Doesn't change how a RB works.not suggesting anything but Florida law states you can make a right on red when clear to do so.
I was using that as an example. An entering driver into a roundabout needs to wait until it is clear to proceed. Nothing more! If it is clear to make a right hand turn, you did it without hitting anyone or cutting anyone off, no driver behind you can cut you off on the side street. The driver behind must wait until it is clear to pass you.
Randall55
10-20-2023, 07:49 PM
If you're talking about what happens after you exit the roundabout, the comment doesn't belong here.It was in response to someone exiting a roundabout then abruptly swerving ahead of another to use the resident gate. Once you exit the roundabout onto a side street, you can't cut someone ahead of you off. You either use the visitor gate that is in your lane or wait for the vehicle in front then use the resident gate after.
You do not come off a roundabout POed thinking the car ahead of you stole your turn at the resident gate then decide to cut them off.
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 08:02 PM
You might think it is different, but it is not. An intersection is an intersection. A vehicle should be able to make a right turn after checking to see if the lane is clear. Florida law allows a right hand turn when the lane is clear.
What the law does not allow is to suddenly change lanes cutting a vehicle off.
Again, yielding only takes a few seconds. Jumping lanes to line yourself up to the resident gate because the visitor gate is too inconvenient for you is not sufficient reason to cut a driver off. The driver who made the right hand turn did so legally. The car behind must now wait or take the visitor gate entrance. Those are the only two options.
Me? I would wait before making the right turn. As many posters have stated, many drivers exit the inner circle then abruptly jump lanes to use the resident gate. I don't get it! It is not difficult to use the visitor gate.
Wow, talk about stubborn. Now several other posters have pointed out how wrong you are. You might like the analogy to turning right at a red light, but it does not work that way. You are making up your own rules based on a faulty comparison to something else entirely. STOP making up your own rules, STOP debating with those of us that know what we are talking about, and simply READ post #1 on this thread. If that is difficult, here is the applicable section:
Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to ALL traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation
(Note---ALL traffic, not just traffic in the lane you plan to enter---ALL lanes
Navigating Roundabouts • Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
Pretty clear, huh?????
Randall55
10-20-2023, 08:24 PM
Wow, talk about stubborn. Now several other posters have pointed out how wrong you are. You might like the analogy to turning right at a red light, but it does not work that way. You are making up your own rules based on a faulty comparison to something else entirely. STOP making up your own rules, STOP debating with those of us that know what we are talking about, and simply READ post #1 on this thread. If that is difficult, here is the applicable section:
Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to ALL traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation
(Note---ALL traffic, not just traffic in the lane you plan to enter---ALL lanes
Navigating Roundabouts • Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
Pretty clear, huh?????Stubborn? There are as many posts on this site that state once a driver exits the round about they abruptly make a lane change to line themselves up with the resident gate. Is that legal when you have to cut someone off to do so? Absolutely Not!
We can argue what clear to go in a roundabout means. I am okay with that. I stated, like you, I would not make the right hand turn. Too many drivers switching lanes. But, some drivers make that choice.
However, No way are you allowed to cut someone off on a side street. I don't care how you got to that street. If a car is ahead of you, you yield!
the funny thing is...I am arguing this with you! I am certain neither one of us would ever cut anyone off. Can we just agree on that? Move on? Why are we debating things other people do?
Randall55
10-20-2023, 08:48 PM
There are many curves on Morse and there are many RBs on Morse. But, there is no RB where entering in the right lane does not result in staying on Morse.
Proving your case is easy, just post the name of the cross street or a picture of the green sign that shows going straight does not stay on Morse.I do not travel Morse to 466 often. In fact, it was years ago. I was remodeling a home in Creekside Landing. On the way back to my home near Lopez, I stayed in the right hand lane on Morse going through every RAB seamlessly. Then, there was a change and Morse veered to the left. I had to go further, turn around, and rreenter the roundabout. I remember thinking, "it would be nice if they posted this!! Save me a turn around!"
I do not remember the RAB. Like I said, it was years ago. Perhaps, I am remembering it wrong. Who knows?
Lesson learned: Make sure you know all the facts before posting something because Bill will demand you prove it. It happened! And, that is all I have to my tale. You can believe me or not, your choice. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
golfing eagles
10-20-2023, 08:49 PM
Stubborn? There are as many posts on this site that state once a driver exits the round about they abruptly make a lane change to line themselves up with the resident gate. Is that legal when you have to cut someone off to do so? Absolutely Not!
We can argue what clear to go in a roundabout means. I am okay with that. I stated, like you, I would not make the right hand turn. Too many drivers switching lanes. But, some drivers make that choice.
However, No way are you allowed to cut someone off on a side street. I don't care how you got to that street. If a car is ahead of you, you yield!
the funny thing is...I am arguing this with you! I am certain neither one of us would ever cut anyone off, can we just agree on that? Move on? Why are we debating things other people do?
I love it! Are we talking apples and oranges here? It sounds like you are talking about someone changing lanes and cutting someone off AFTER they exited the RB and are approaching the gates. That would be ridiculous, I agree with you.
The post by Winnie stated he was ENTERING the RB because the lane he was taking (right lane) was clear, although a vehicle was approaching in the inner lane. He was "cut off" when the truck too the same exit. In that scenario he was wrong for entering the RB in the first place
Do two rights make a bigger right????? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Randall55
10-20-2023, 08:54 PM
I love it! Are we talking apples and oranges here? It sounds like you are talking about someone changing lanes and cutting someone off AFTER they exited the RB and are approaching the gates. That would be ridiculous, I agree with you.
The post by Winnie stated he was ENTERING the RB because the lane he was taking (right lane) was clear, although a vehicle was approaching in the inner lane. He was "cut off" when the truck too the same exit. In that scenario he was wrong for entering the RB in the first place
Do two rights make a bigger right????? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:Yeah! We are talking about two different posts. I was responding to someone who made a safe right turn exit out of the RAB then someone behind her cut her off on the side street to get to the resident gate first.
I would not respond to the post with the truck. If it is large and pulling a trailer, I wouldn't even think of driving near it in a roundabout. It sends chills down my spine that some drivers do not know to stop and check the surroundings BEFORE entering the circle.
Randall55
10-21-2023, 12:40 AM
And as explained in post 207, you are wrong.
Excerpts from the Sumter County BOCC brochure that we all got when we moved here:
Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to all traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation
Navigating Roundabouts • Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the round about, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.I have stated that I would not have made the right turn. I would have waited until the roundabout was clear.
However, as you stated, if there is a gap in traffic, you may proceed. A driver saw a gap in her lane before she made the right turn onto the side street. The person behind her should have slowed down if it was his desire to jump his exit lane. Had he exited slowly, and kept his lane, the cars would not have nearly collided.
Is the driver who made the right turn right or wrong? To me, it doesn't matter! If I came off the RAB and saw that vehicle in front of me, I would have slowed down and kept my lane. It would not make sense to speed up, jump the lane, and cut the vehicle off.
Slow down, and keep your lane are also rules of roundabouts. You do not pick and choose.
Bill14564
10-21-2023, 08:01 AM
I am just stating there MOST DEFINITELY is a place near Sumter going to 466 where Morse curves to the left.
You assumed I broke the traffic rules. I did not! I was in the right lane and went straight thru as that was my only option.
Then, I turned around, headed back to the RAB and excited correctly.
Some people would have switched lanes in the RAB when they made a mistake. I did not!
I do not travel Morse to 466 often. In fact, it was years ago. I was remodeling a home in Creekside Landing. On the way back to my home near Lopez, I stayed in the right hand lane on Morse going through every RAB seamlessly. Then, there was a change and Morse veered to the left. I had to go further, turn around, and rreenter the roundabout. I remember thinking, "it would be nice if they posted this!! Save me a turn around!"
I do not remember the RAB. Like I said, it was years ago. Perhaps, I am remembering it wrong. Who knows?
Lesson learned: Make sure you know all the facts before posting something because Bill will demand you prove it. It happened! And, that is all I have to my tale. You can believe me or not, your choice. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
Just check my signature. For quite some time part of it has been, " Why do people insist on making claims without looking them up first, do they really think no one will check?" If a claim is made, particularly if the claim is asserted by yelling (all caps), and if it sounds wrong or it is something I didn't know then I'm likely to look into it.
I have been the entire length of Morse many times in the past two years and I didn't remember any such left hand turn that was confusing in a RAB. But maybe I was wrong and maybe I was spreading bad information. If so then I want to correct myself. Asking for the cross street or green sign would have shown me what it was that I wasn't remembering.
If "it was years ago" then certainly things might have changed. Years ago Sumter Landing, Brownwood, Rohan, and the circles with Meggison Rd didn't exist. Morse could have looked a lot different then. Perhaps it did have a left curve and a difficult RAB at that time. Fortunately, it appears that situation was corrected.
Randall55
10-21-2023, 09:50 AM
Just check my signature. For quite some time part of it has been, " Why do people insist on making claims without looking them up first, do they really think no one will check?" If a claim is made, particularly if the claim is asserted by yelling (all caps), and if it sounds wrong or it is something I didn't know then I'm likely to look into it.
I have been the entire length of Morse many times in the past two years and I didn't remember any such left hand turn that was confusing in a RAB. But maybe I was wrong and maybe I was spreading bad information. If so then I want to correct myself. Asking for the cross street or green sign would have shown me what it was that I wasn't remembering.
If "it was years ago" then certainly things might have changed. Years ago Sumter Landing, Brownwood, Rohan, and the circles with Meggison Rd didn't exist. Morse could have looked a lot different then. Perhaps it did have a left curve and a difficult RAB at that time. Fortunately, it appears that situation was corrected.
Hope you do not feel that I was taking a dig at you. I wasn't! It's nice to have people like you keeping us on the straight and narrow.
neilbcox
02-26-2024, 02:08 PM
The only thing all drivers have to do is understand the large green roundabout signs that are located on every roundabout and watch the on road markings!
Drive as if no one ever reads these helpful road signs!
Bogie Shooter
02-26-2024, 04:47 PM
The only thing all drivers have to do is understand the large green roundabout signs that are located on every roundabout and watch the on road markings!
Drive as if no one ever reads these helpful road signs!
Not new and earth shattering info somewhere in the previous 170 posts it’s mentioned many, many times.
Two Bills
03-23-2024, 04:41 PM
YAY! Roundabouts are doing a Lazarus!
Slainte
03-24-2024, 02:44 AM
I’m a newbie & my use of RABs is: enter when check that no vehicle is in either lane. Be in the left lane if exiting the 3rd or 4th (u-turn) exit. Be in the right lane for exit 1 & 2. WATCH OUT for other cars/bikes/walkers/ & cars cutting you off. Go around more than once if exit not correct or not safe & use exit 4 (do uturn) if I goofed up which lane & lots of traffic.
Am I doing it correctly ?
MSchad
03-24-2024, 05:34 AM
I’m a newbie & my use of RABs is: enter when check that no vehicle is in either lane. Be in the left lane if exiting the 3rd or 4th (u-turn) exit. Be in the right lane for exit 1 & 2. WATCH OUT for other cars/bikes/walkers/ & cars cutting you off. Go around more than once if exit not correct or not safe & use exit 4 (do uturn) if I goofed up which lane & lots of traffic.
Am I doing it correctly ?
Basically yes, very safe practice. But right lane you HAVE to exit 1st or 2nd exit, you can’t go around. Left or Inside lane, the only exit you CAN’T use is the 1st. But you can go around as many times as you need to exit safely. This is nice if you mistakenly entered in the left lane but needed the 1st exit as you just go around until you come to it a second time. Also, you can not change lanes once you are in the RAB, not even when exiting. If you are in left lane you exit to left lane. Right lane exits to right lane.
golfing eagles
03-24-2024, 05:47 AM
Basically yes, very safe practice. But right lane you HAVE to exit 1st or 2nd exit, you can’t go around. Left or Inside lane, the only exit you CAN’T use is the 1st. But you can go around as many times as you need to exit safely. Also, you can not change lanes once you are in the RAB, not even when exiting. If you are in left lane you exit to left lane. Right lane exits to right lane.
Now, 242 posts on this thread, dozens of other threads about RBs and yet not a day goes by without observing somebody doing something really stupid in a RB. This includes:
***Going 3/4 around in the outer lane
***Exiting at the first exit from the inner lane
***Entering from the right lane, cutting into the inner lane, then back to right to go straight
***Going clockwise in the RB to the third exit "because it's shorter"
***Continuing straight right into a light pole
***Stopping dead in the RB to wave on cars to enter
***Backing up in the RB after missing the exit
***And my personal favorite---a pack of 30 cyclists blowing through the yield sign cutting off traffic as if they were one entity because it is "inconvenient" for them to yield
I've personally witnessed every one of those scenarios---any others?
simplesimonsaid
03-24-2024, 05:48 AM
if in doubt about your turn always enter the left nearside lane of the roundabout and go round until you find your correct direction then exit safely.
golfing eagles
03-24-2024, 05:50 AM
if in doubt about your turn always enter the left nearside lane of the roundabout and go round until you find your correct direction then exit safely.
And while you're exiting after your "hunt", be sure there isn't another vehicle to your right. Maybe it would be better to learn how to navigate the RB correctly in the first place
Shipping up to Boston
03-24-2024, 05:54 AM
Here is a nice brochure for visitors and new residents of The Villages Florida on navigating the Roundabouts.
TOTV Team
Doesn’t matter if it’s a roundabout, circle or rotary (which is what we call them). All the signage and education in the universe will never trump an individuals lack of common sense and awareness. Can’t wait for TV to revive the storm troopers to restore law and order on our cart paths!
Shipping up to Boston
03-24-2024, 06:01 AM
I’m a newbie & my use of RABs is: enter when check that no vehicle is in either lane. Be in the left lane if exiting the 3rd or 4th (u-turn) exit. Be in the right lane for exit 1 & 2. WATCH OUT for other cars/bikes/walkers/ & cars cutting you off. Go around more than once if exit not correct or not safe & use exit 4 (do uturn) if I goofed up which lane & lots of traffic.
Am I doing it correctly ?
Your post reminds me of Clark Griswold (Chevy Chase) in European Vacation......as he enters the roundabout in UK and cannot get out “ hey kids, there’s Big Ben...hey kids, there’s Big Ben....” ;)
jacksonla
03-24-2024, 06:13 AM
Here is a nice brochure for visitors and new residents of The Villages Florida on navigating the Roundabouts.
TOTV Team
Thanks for sharing, this is easy to read and helpful.
Grinchie
03-24-2024, 06:30 AM
Thank you, MSchad. I never had a problem with one-lane RABs, but 2 lane ones were intimidating, especially combined with very small street signs. They are efficient in moving the traffic.
Bogie Shooter
03-24-2024, 07:17 AM
Starting all over again……
Will there be another 200+ posts?
Mostly just repeats of prior posts?
BTW the way, why was this thread raised from the dead pile?
Shipping up to Boston
03-24-2024, 07:39 AM
Starting all over again……
Will there be another 200+ posts?
Mostly just repeats of prior posts?
BTW the way, why was this thread raised from the dead pile?
Not sure, but they can now add mine....and yours to the scrap heap
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