Plotted where Villages sinkholes have occurred

[VillagerFrog58]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

[VillagerFrog58]

Here five of the recent ones that I have.

[villagetinker]

Wow, this is impressive. Now I do not recall the details, but there was some talk among the neighbors of a sinkhole near the western end of yearling way, you have the one near the eastern end.

[VillagerFrog58]

Villagetinker, the one on the eastern end of Yearling way is actually up on the next street on 1906 and 1912 Ussepa Oaks Lane located in the Village of
Pinnelas. This was the sinkhole on the new houses that occurred before they were sold and they had to be fixed by the developer before they could be sold.

If you have any documentation on the one on the western edge, just let me know.

[VillagerFrog58]

Wow, this is impressive. Now I do not recall the details, but there was some talk among the neighbors of a sinkhole near the western end of yearling way, you have the one near the eastern end.

In the article attached, there was a sinkhole affecting 2 new houses before they were sold that had to be repaired by the developer. If you have more specifics on the western side of Yearling.....

[justjim]

OP, interesting information and as you mentioned----unscientific. When we first retired, we built a home in Royal Highlands which is about 12 miles south of Leesburg. The very first sinkhole was a large one and at the highest elevation in the subdivision. ???? Not having any education or training on this subject matter, I don't know what this means or what your poll of sinkholes in TV means either.

Perhaps someone with "knowledge" of sinkholes can comment. All I know, and have read, a sinkhole can happen just about anywhere in Florida---especially Central Florida.

[sunnyatlast]

Looking around for more info on whether higher elevation is protective against sinkholes here in FL, I read this article from FL Geological Survey, with this excerpt:

"....In general, areas of the state where limestone is close to surface, or areas with deeper limestone but with a conducive configuration of water table elevation, stratigraphy, and aquifer characteristics have increased sinkhole activity....."


The entire article is instructive:

Facts about sinkholes in Florida - WFLA News Channel 8 (http://www.wfla.com/story/21439549/facts-about-sinkholes-in-florida)

[RickeyD]

We looked at a couple of houses in Lake Deaton that had small sinkholes repaired. This included the house with the sinkhole and the adjacent houses. The discount was minimal and since you need to disclose any knowledge of a sinkhole on the property you want to insure to the insurer it didn't seem to be a worthwhile discount, nor worth loosing sleep over. We opted out. BTW, the houses in question were at the bottom of a long hill, about the same elevation as a couple of ponds.

[joldnol]

They just plugged one in Dunedin on the north side of Hillsborough. They were filling it with concrete last week....one of the houses that haven't been sold yet.....approximately 150 ft West from Viola and Hillsborough.

[LeeM]

We are visiting soon and looking to buy so I wondered about the sinkhole issue. This is very helpful. Thank you.

[rubicon]

To me, predicting sinkholes is like predicting 100 year floods.

[dewilson58]

Thanks Frogger.................I enjoyed the information.

[EnglishJW]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to do this. More importantly, thanks for sharing it. We looked at one the new houses that had a repaired sinkhole. Our villages agent informed us about it and we moved on.

[Erika]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

Thank you for this info. Unfortunately, I could not read the research as nothing happened when I clicked on it. Please tell me how I can determine the elevation of a property in which I am interested in buying. Do the sales reps have info regarding that question?

[justjim]

I would like an experenced Geologist give us his/her take on if there is any correlation between sinkholes and elevation level of your property. I am skeptical.

[paulascorpio]

UGH.......We are only 80 - 90 feet!

[dewilson58]

The OP is sharing his/her analysis given some maps and info......not as an expert, just some info......a grain of salt. I enjoyed the info, but not in the panic mode

[Jeff/Tracy]

That was a lot of work OP.. thank you for sharing! I have a question.. what if I take my morning coffee outside right now, walk around my house and find a sink hole.. who should I call? I do know who to call in most situations, this one.. I would have no clue.

[Villager Joyce]

That was a lot of work OP.. thank you for sharing! I have a question.. what if I take my morning coffee outside right now, walk around my house and find a sink hole.. who should I call? I do know who to call in most situations, this one.. I would have no clue.

First, I would get my cat out of the house.
Make calls in this order:
911
Insurance agent
My attorney
My husband is an adult. He is on his own.

[mulligan]

I think that the current elevation is not as important as the difference between the elevation of the unimproved land vs. the current elevation. How close did they scrape to the bedrock. The presence of more dirt above the bedrock will more evenly distribute any weight placed on the surface. Look up "angle of repose".

[Villager Joyce]

There have been sinkholes in clermont. Elevation between 100 and 300.

[graciegirl]

On this map there are some areas where there are few or no sinkholes. Wonder what differs there.

http://www.riskmanagementmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-04-at-10.12.53-AM.png

[shcisamax]

This is fabulous. Thank you for taking the time to try to glean information that isn't readily available. Way cool.

[graciegirl]

More sinkhole information;


sinkhole map of sumter county florida - Bing Images (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sinkhole+map+of+sumter+county+florida&view=detailv2&&&id=64EB114B59617C5DEB89696E2136ABBCAE6D86D8&selectedIndex=2&ccid=XDYahdA1&simid=608013210461211174&thid=JN.s4yJLvyC%2byTn%2fb44VMvftg&ajaxhist=0)
http://strangesounds.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/florida-sinkhole-map-geology.jpg

[Topspinmo]

You would think that some fancy geologist would have come to the conclusion the OP did..

Bet there are more factors than that.

Can't predict sinkholes anymore than they can predict earthquakes (except were they are fracking). IMO it depends on the cavern size under and area and how water drains and erosion effects ground over the cavern itself. I also think small sink hole are some time man made due to under ground water leaks or drainage problems. It also make sense to me that if you on hill the water will run more to the bottom and seep more on the low area which IMO would increase the odds of sinkhole?

You would think if they can find oil they could find large caverns under property and predict sinkhole may occur. But, IMO that would rule out have the land in Florida :rant-rave:

[graciegirl]

Florida's Top 10 Sinkhole-Prone Counties (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2011/03/30/192278.htm)

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I you had a sinkhole that was not covered by insurance and it was going to cost several hounded thousand dollars to repair what would you do?

A. Fill the with water and stock and it calling it a pond.

B. Take out a loan and make the repairs

C. Just walk away

[graciegirl]

I you had a sinkhole that was not covered by insurance and it was going to cost several hounded thousand dollars to repair what would you do?

A. Fill the with water and stock and it calling it a pond.

B. Take out a loan and make the repairs

C. Just walk away



Seems that would be catastrophic and that is covered by homeowners insurance.

This is an ad, but has some good info;

Sinkhole vs. Catastrophic Ground Coverage Collapse (http://www.myautoinsuranceflorida.com/sinkhole.html)

[justjim]

Don't want to "pirate" this thread (OP I too appreciate your work) wasn't there a group in TV working on a possible "self insured entity" for residents of the Villages to sort of take up the slack where insurance is lacking? Anybody know if there has been any progress on this concept? Sinkhole---always going to happen to somebody else that's what we think.

[Warren Kiefer]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

Your information while not scientific, is right on the mark. The closer the sub limestone strata is to the surface, the more likely of sinkholes. Over many many years the limestone dissolves leaving a cavity. As the water table that normally fills the cavity, is depleted, and especially when the upper surface becomes wet and saturated from rains, the upper surface falls into the cavity. You then have a sinkhole.

[LeeM]

So how do you figure out the elevation?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Seems that would be catastrophic and that is covered by homeowners insurance.

This is an ad, but has some good info;

Sinkhole vs. Catastrophic Ground Coverage Collapse (http://www.myautoinsuranceflorida.com/sinkhole.html)

If there's no structural damage to the home there is no coverage. You could have a large sinkhole on your property that has not damage to your home.

[rustyp]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.


Two more sinkholes to add to the chart. Ashland and Sabel Chase.

[VillagerFrog58]

Added the 2 new ones.
July - Village of Ashland 2144 Ellison Place
June - Village of Sabal Chase 1637 Homer Ave

[LynnWM158]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.
Yikes, my house appears to be sitting on a sinkhole. Would you mind naming the street off Hillsboro and what appears to be Neighborly Way?

[VillagerFrog58]

I looked at my pdf that I posted and I don't see any by Hillsboro by Neighborly Way. Are you perhaps mistaken? Also, remember that the numbers posted are NOT the depth of the sinkhole but the elevation of the land where the sinkhole occurred.

[VillagerFrog58]

Added the two reported at Fulcrum Place and Zydeco Court in Dunedin and also Sunset Pointe at the Hibiscus Rec Center.

[graciegirl]

OP, interesting information and as you mentioned----unscientific. When we first retired, we built a home in Royal Highlands which is about 12 miles south of Leesburg. The very first sinkhole was a large one and at the highest elevation in the subdivision. ???? Not having any education or training on this subject matter, I don't know what this means or what your poll of sinkholes in TV means either.

Perhaps someone with "knowledge" of sinkholes can comment. All I know, and have read, a sinkhole can happen just about anywhere in Florida---especially Central Florida.






I agree with justjim.


What is the purpose of this? Sinkholes are random and do not occur any more here in The Villages than in surrounding areas.


Sinkholes make people frightened and so far there is no way to predict or protect people from where they will happen....much the same as hurricanes.

[Taltarzac725]

Added the two reported at Fulcrum Place and Zydeco Court in Dunedin and also Sunset Pointe at the Hibiscus Rec Center.

Thanks for adding this information. Sinkholes, from USGS Water-Science School (http://water.usgs.gov/edu/sinkholes.html) http://www.thevillagesfloridabook.com/sinkholes-in-the-villages-what-you-need-to-know/

[outlaw]

I agree with justjim.


What is the purpose of this? Sinkholes are random and do not occur any more here in The Villages than in surrounding areas.


Sinkholes make people frightened and so far there is no way to predict or protect people from where they will happen....much the same as hurricanes.

Knowledge is power.

[Taltarzac725]

Knowledge is power.

I do think links to topics that might be unpopular with the Chamber of Commerce of various areas are important.

[tomwed]

Knowledge is power.
The power to do what?

[Taltarzac725]

The power to do what?

Maybe to purchase land that has a low probability of getting a sinkhole.

[outlaw]

The power to do what?

The power to make a more informed decision. Same as earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, airline accidents.....

[graciegirl]

Knowledge is power.


Yes it is. But mapping where sinkholes have been is about the same as finding out where divorces occurred.

[tomwed]

The power to make a more informed decision. Same earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, airline accidents.....
Moving to the villages at the end of your career takes a certain amount of courage unless your family also lives around here.

[twoplanekid]

Sinkholes possibilities are a matter of life in many areas of the country. Live with it or move on. To limit discussions or data presented can be construed to be similar to activities by others that we might disdain. As long as the discussion follows the guidelines of this forum, so be it.

However, I also feel that the chances of my house being hit by a lightning strike is greater than a sinkhole forming near it. I can live with the extreme unlikely hood of both possibilities in the Villages.

[manaboutown]

From the linked 2013 article:
"Three counties in the Tampa Bay area are known as “sinkhole alley.” Two-thirds of the sinkhole damage claims reported to the state Office of Insurance Regulation in 2006-2010 came from Hernando, Hillsborough and Pasco counties." Scientists creating map to determine likelihood of sinkholes | TBO.com and The Tampa Tribune (http://www.tbo.com/Local/CommunityNews/scientists-creating-map-to-determine-likelihood-of-sinkholes-20131225/)

[Polar Bear]

In my opinion, the biggest takeaway from that map/report:

"The result will be a detailed, multi-layered map that shows where sinkholes are most likely to form, but doesn�t predict where and when individual sinkholes will occur.

'If someone could do that, they�d be a very wealthy person,' Kromhout said."

[dbussone]

Moving to the villages at the end of your career takes a certain amount of courage unless your family also lives around here.

Tom - I think moving anywhere takes some courage. Having said that, my wife is the most courageous person I know. She moved 14 times with me. (In 46 years of marriage.) The move to TV has been the easiest and best...as is she.

[73Goat]

After reading the article about sinkholes that 'Sunnyatlast' posted (thanks) it seems to me that the idea proposed, that sinkholes occur at lower elevations' is proof of the old concept of statistical analysis that "high Correlation is not indicative of a causal effect". It looks to me more like soil composition under the home has more to do with the formation of sinkholes than the elevation.

[graciegirl]

I see no benefit to this endeavor of pinpointing where sinkholes have been here in The Villages other than to bring up a subject that incites worry.


I see no purpose to this map of a very small area. I do believe that collecting information about sinkholes is better addressed by experts in geology.


The Science of Sinkholes | Science Features (http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/the-science-of-sinkholes/)

[bagboy]

I see no benefit to this endeavor of pinpointing where sinkholes have been here in The Villages other than to bring up a subject that incites worry.


I see no purpose to this map of a very small area. I do believe that collecting information about sinkholes is better addressed by experts in geology.


The Science of Sinkholes | Science Features (http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/the-science-of-sinkholes/)

I could not agree more.

[MDLNB]

Thank you for the information. It's very interesting. There's nothing wrong with sharing a theory and you did say it was just that. You did not say that it was a scientific theory, even though some on here took it as such. There was a sink hole in the retention pond just North of my home that you documented. I do enjoy these type of studies. It brings out sources of information that I may not have located in a simple search. I did not see this as a warning, but as a sharing of information. Overlaying it on a map of the Villages was a great idea.

Thank you for sharing your research.

[graciegirl]

Thank you for the information. It's very interesting. There's nothing wrong with sharing a theory and you did say it was just that. You did not say that it was a scientific theory, even though some on here took it as such. There was a sink hole in the retention pond just North of my home that you documented. I do enjoy these type of studies. It brings out sources of information that I may not have located in a simple search. I did not see this as a warning, but as a sharing of information. Overlaying it on a map of the Villages was a great idea.

Thank you for sharing your research.



We are all different. Now I would enjoy seeing a map showing where both of the Michigan fans live.

[2BNTV]

Moving to TV from another part of the country that was not affected by sinkholes, tornadoes, lightning strikes and hurricanes, sans Sandy, one could get afraid to move here.

Although the info was enlightning, I agree it serves no useful purpose to people who are hesitant to move, for a variety of concerns, especially sinkholes, that are rare, considering how many homes, are affected.

I remember being shaken, after the first week of moving here, to hear of a house being burned to the ground. One has the have the courage to realize these occurances are rare, and need to get past them. Every part of the country is affected by some natural disasters so no place is totally safe.

I'll take my chance in paradise. :smiley:

[OCsun]

Thank you for the information. It's very interesting. There's nothing wrong with sharing a theory and you did say it was just that. You did not say that it was a scientific theory, even though some on here took it as such. There was a sink hole in the retention pond just North of my home that you documented. I do enjoy these type of studies. It brings out sources of information that I may not have located in a simple search. I did not see this as a warning, but as a sharing of information. Overlaying it on a map of the Villages was a great idea.

Thank you for sharing your research.

I agree! I found your chart very interesting and appreciate all of the different perspectives that resulted because you did share this chart with us. I personally feel that talking things out, helped dismiss unfounded fears I have. Thanks! :)

[SandiL]

This is interesting but you seem to have cut the top of the map off a bit. We live all the way at the top in Chatham.

[leebeauregard]

All sinkholes are not publicized. For instance there was a sinkhole under one of the developer owned Villa's in Creekside Landing a couple of years ago that took a week's worth of cement trucks to fill. It was never mentioned in the Daily Sun or anywhere else.

Did you ever notice all the pipes sticking out of the ground when the land on which Brownwood sits was developed? I believe the developer pumps cement in them to stabilize the ground which isn't done in building new homes.

A lot of dirt is moved when building sites are prepared and I question whether it is being allowed to settle long enough before new homes are built on them?

[The Fed]

I live on an elevation of almost 100 feet, and there was large sinkhole not far from me.

[mulligan]

All sinkholes are not publicized. For instance there was a sinkhole under one of the developer owned Villa's in Creekside Landing a couple of years ago that took a week's worth of cement trucks to fill. It was never mentioned in the Daily Sun or anywhere else.

Did you ever notice all the pipes sticking out of the ground when the land on which Brownwood sits was developed? I believe the developer pumps cement in them to stabilize the ground which isn't done in building new homes.

A lot of dirt is moved when building sites are prepared and I question whether it is being allowed to settle long enough before new homes are built on them?

You were looking at under slab plumbing, NOT sinkhole prevention.

[outlaw]

OP,
Thanks for providing this valuable information. Excellent effort!

[MDLNB]

We are all different. Now I would enjoy seeing a map showing where both of the Michigan fans live.

Ha! I empathize with you. The other day, I had an appointment at the VA and ran into both Maryland fans on the way. Two separate contacts. This is totally getting out of control. :smiley: Let me know if you happen upon a NC fan down here. Not too many willing to move away from that haven. Ooops, I apologize for deviating from the topic.

[rjackson1759]

Hi VillagerFrog58,

Here is a good piece of background reading for your ongoing tracking of sinkholes here in The Villages and Central Florida.

Enjoy

[larcha]

The map doesn't show quite all the way to highway 42 at the north end of TV. Has there been any activity up there?

[MDLNB]

The map doesn't show quite all the way to highway 42 at the north end of TV. Has there been any activity up there?

That's because that area fell into a giant sinkhole. Just kidding.....:angel: :icon_twisted:

[rtharner]

Good work!

[Polar Bear]

...I personally feel that talking things out, helped dismiss unfounded fears I have...

Then that alone gives this thread some value. :)

[Jim Stickel]

I'm curious where you got the data on the location of the sink-holes?

[graciegirl]

I'm curious where you got the data on the location of the sink-holes?



When a hole appears in the ground in The Villages, it is discussed and typed about because we are interested in everything that happens and we all have an opinion and none of our opinions can be changed. So it goes into print, the local news media talk about it and it becomes common knowledge.


This is also true of people who have sex in the bandstand and on top of electrical boxes. Some think it is a good thing and others are shocked.


Even wrong information is bandied around about the high rate of STD's here and although it doesn't hurt our reputation as a beautiful place with nice people, it doesn't do it any good.

[bagboy]

All sinkholes are not publicized. For instance there was a sinkhole under one of the developer owned Villa's in Creekside Landing a couple of years ago that took a week's worth of cement trucks to fill. It was never mentioned in the Daily Sun or anywhere else.

Did you ever notice all the pipes sticking out of the ground when the land on which Brownwood sits was developed? I believe the developer pumps cement in them to stabilize the ground which isn't done in building new homes.

A lot of dirt is moved when building sites are prepared and I question whether it is being allowed to settle long enough before new homes are built on them?

My pipes were pumped full of nitrous oxide I guess because I am still laughing at the thought...

[lsauls7537]

There is a new sinkhole in Village Alhambra on Privada drive. It was 10 feet wide and occurred in the bedroom of the home. The home has a red condemned sticker on the door. I think the address is 2581 Privada

[graciegirl]

There is a new sinkhole in Village Alhambra on Privada drive. It was 10 feet wide and occurred in the bedroom of the home. The home has a red condemned sticker on the door. I think the address is 2581 Privada



I hope you are wrong. Only your third post with such upsetting information


In the bedroom you say....like the only person that I know of in the news that died from a sinkhole over near Tampa?


Was this in the news?


Posters who live in Alhambra, is this true?

[VyAllen]

Very interesting. Scary, but interesting.

[LTS1472]

Could you please email me the map...when clicking on your link, its PDF...thanks.
Ltschreiner1472@gmail.com

[VillagerFrog58]

I have not updated the map on this posting in 2 years. Here is the latest map. The map in 2015 had 10 locations posted. This map has 26. Of the new ones posted, some occurred prior to the original posting; most occurred after. Each location has a news article that provides validity. I make no claims or inferences in providing this. I am only providing information.

[graciegirl]

All sinkholes are not publicized. For instance there was a sinkhole under one of the developer owned Villa's in Creekside Landing a couple of years ago that took a week's worth of cement trucks to fill. It was never mentioned in the Daily Sun or anywhere else.

Did you ever notice all the pipes sticking out of the ground when the land on which Brownwood sits was developed? I believe the developer pumps cement in them to stabilize the ground which isn't done in building new homes.

A lot of dirt is moved when building sites are prepared and I question whether it is being allowed to settle long enough before new homes are built on them?

I am skeptical of your information and summary. I don't think that the developer pumps cement in any area to stabilize the ground. Cement is pumped into sinkholes when they do occur. That is a fact.

I KNEW a couple of months ago that as soon as the rains started after a long period of drought we would have sinkholes. The worst area for sinkholes in Florida is in the area near Tampa.

It always boils down to panic on this forum and irrational causes and claims, especially after a LARGE sinkhole happens. I knew that somehow the developer would be blamed. I don't think the Morses OR God is at fault. I think it is a lot of water causing ground collapse in the limestone sub strata of the ground in West Central Florida

[ggnlars]

The elavation relationship does not make much sense. It might be better to identify how much the original land was changed, but that would be questionable. The other factor is water. Are there springs? Is there density variation in the underlying rock? That coupled with the high water table could cause the weakness that leads to the hole. The frequent large amounts of rain in rather local areas could also be a contributor. It is probably a natural process, like earth quakes.

[Back9]

I have not updated the map on this posting in 2 years. Here is the latest map. The map in 2015 had 10 locations posted. This map has 26. Of the new ones posted, some occurred prior to the original posting; most occurred after. Each location has a news article that provides validity. I make no claims or inferences in providing this. I am only providing information.

Thank you for making and posting! (They are a bit hard to "comprehend" at first b/c the yellow dots don't have much contrast to show what we're looking for (would black dots be better? red?). But once you get the hang of it, if works and is informative.

[tagjr1]

When we were looking for homes in the Villages back in 2015 the realtor/salesperson took us up and down Hillsborough several times and had to navigate around the so called repair. When we suggested it was a sinkhole, she just smiled and suggested it was just an anomaly. Two days later she took us to a home just off Hillsborough at the intersection of Memory and Image Court and we loved it. She then informed us there was a disclosure on this property. When I asked what that was all about she produced a Engineering Report indicating that there was a sizable "hole" in the street at the foot of the driveway that took over 300 cubic yards of "gruel" to fill. I took a closer look at the house and could find no visual damage but after a while decided not to take a chance. That house stayed on the market for some time after that. I don't see that "anomaly" on Your map.

[skyking]

Thanks VillagerFrog. Very interesting. Please keep this updated. I don't represent the developer or the unofficial chamber of commerce as some on this thread do. Information is always welcome.

[manaboutown]

Thanks VillagerFrog. Very interesting. Please keep this updated. I don't represent the developer or the unofficial chamber of commerce as some on this thread do. Information is always welcome.

From an article in Smithsonian Magazine.

"The number of reported sinkholes in The Villages has spiked in recent years. An official with The Villages Public Safety Department told the Orlando Sentinel that residents had reported “several” sinkholes in 2016, though none affecting homes—an assessment matched by the archives of **************. Ditto for 2015; in 2014 three sinkholes affected six homes.

In 2017, by stark contrast, at least 32 sinkholes were reported by that independent news site. At least eight homes were affected, plus a country club, a busy intersection, a Lowe’s home improvement store, and the local American Legion post, the largest in the world. (The Daily Sun, a large newspaper owned by The Villages’ developer, reported on none of them except the one at the busy intersection, only to say the hole was “later determined not likely” a sinkhole.) In just the first three months of 2018, at least 11 sinkholes were reported by **************, affecting eight homes—all before sinkhole season even started, in early spring. Four more sinkholes sprang up this week."

The ******s are the unmentionable news source.

The Science Behind Florida’s Sinkhole Epidemic
|
Science | Smithsonian (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/science-behind-floridas-sinkhole-epidemic-180969158/)

[ColdNoMore]

Thanks VillagerFrog. Very interesting. Please keep this updated. I don't represent the developer or the unofficial chamber of commerce as some on this thread do. Information is always welcome.


:agree:

[MikeDom]

You seem to be interested in sinkholes. I'm considering making a fictional film called Sinkhole and maybe we could talk. I'm a filmmaker.

[Velvet]

VillageFrog58, thank you for your observations regarding the sinkholes in TV.

[justjim]

Anybody know of any sinkholes since the last posting on this Thread? Overall a good informational Thread as long as it is not taken out of context.

[graciegirl]

Anybody know of any sinkholes since the last posting on this Thread? Overall a good informational Thread as long as it is not taken out of context.

Nope. I really expected one recently when we had a LOT of rain after a sort of dry spell.

I don't know how anybody can plot where one will be but there is a lot of information about where they have occurred which is in the west-central part of Florida. Just google; Map of sinkholes in Florida and you will get a bunch.

map of sinkholes in florida 2019 - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=map+of+sinkholes+in+florida+2019&form=EDGHPT&qs=AS&cvid=5296487012a841ec9c3b8512c62e3999&refig=8dfa7fbc3d824eea93c1148ebce2c6b3&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLOOhwFE0mw3j8%21Ls1R*R3Q x36dLTGF3mu1tlU7kwQPyLpMRhSeq2pq0rlZA*wJA4Kd6O4xgW BvSkEEW2t3YwW3QA&plvar=0&PC=DCTS)

[cathiehines]

There was one on Fenster in Fernandina about six or seven years ago. It always seemed to me that they occurred on golf courses or on retention ponds.

[jpvillager]

Thanks for the map.

[onlytennis]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.
Hello,
I am new to this forum but feel compelled to reply. Thank you very much for your hard work and attention to detail. I found it very interesting, informative.and quite helpful as I am exploring some homes online and hope to purchase one in the near future. Thank you again.

[GatorFan]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1075356]Seems that would be catastrophic and that is covered by homeowners insurance.

This is an ad, but has some good info;

Sinkhole vs. Catastrophic Ground Coverage Collapse (http://www.myautoinsuranceflorida.com/sinkhole.html)[/

Following 4 things must occur for cat ground collapse to respond.

1. Must be visable
2. Must be sudden and abrupt
3. Immediate structural damage
4. Must be condemned

Sinkhole:
1. Does not have to be visible (could be under home)
2. Does not have to be sudden and abrupt (can open and then grow and do damage to home)
3. There has be be structural damage
4. Does not have to be condemned

[Koapaka]

We also appreciate this information. Moving from TX to TV in 2020, have no experience with "sinkholes" and can deal with the rest of the things weather/extreme heat and humidity/hurricanes bring as we deal with it now. Want all the info I can get on sinkholes, just to be better informed. ANYTHING is better than earthquakes....ANYTHING!

[graciegirl]

We also appreciate this information. Moving from TX to TV in 2020, have no experience with "sinkholes" and can deal with the rest of the things weather/extreme heat and humidity/hurricanes bring as we deal with it now. Want all the info I can get on sinkholes, just to be better informed. ANYTHING is better than earthquakes....ANYTHING!

Welcome to you. Every area has it's woes. WE have the countries most lightning strikes in central Florida. We have fire ants that really hurt and sting, we have sinkholes (but very seldom...You might hear of one about once a year and may never hear unless there is a significant one) We have a LOT of people who live here with wrinkles and wisdom and a sense of humor.

We have had many deaths due to golf cart accidents in the past dozen years and many deaths due to age as well. We do NOT have the often reported urban legend of sexually transmitted disease that is off the charts. People DO have sex here and sometimes they aren't married. ;)

There are very few unplanned pregnancies here. In fact I haven't ever heard of a single case.

Dogs are unfairly targeted by some as naughty when it is the dog's owner who will allow some of them to poop in other people's yards. You need to have a plastic bag from the Daily Sun obviously hanging out of your pocket when walking your dog if you want folks to smile at both of you.

Welcome home.

[capecoralbill]

We have a LOT of people who live here with wrinkles and wisdom and a sense of humor.
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This is not a funny subject !
The Developer will NOT stand behind you if you have a sinkhole, or a DRY Lake behind your house. Homeowners insurance has a lot of loopholes to jump through. Do yourself a favor and read up on abandoned homes here, and ruined dreams... Google the following for examples:
"sinkhole at 733 Winifred Way" and "sinkhole at 17092 McLawren Terrace" and "sinkhole at 2536 Botello Ave", there are more, but you get the idea, watch out for those waterfront views.

[Bogie Shooter]

This is not a funny subject !
The Developer will NOT stand behind you if you have a sinkhole, or a DRY Lake behind your house. Homeowners insurance has a lot of loopholes to jump through. Do yourself a favor and read up on abandoned homes here, and ruined dreams... Google the following for examples:
"sinkhole at 733 Winifred Way" and "sinkhole at 17092 McLawren Terrace" and "sinkhole at 2536 Botello Ave", there are more, but you get the idea, watch out for those waterfront views.

Not sure why any developer should cover sinkhole damage, (they don't cover storm damage). It is common knowledge that a water front home is not guaranteed to always have water.
Although very important to those effected by sinkholes the number relative to total homes is rather small.
The sky is not falling...…….

[dewilson58]

The Developer will NOT stand behind you if you have a sinkhole, or a DRY Lake behind your house.




Why should a developer "stand behind"???


:ohdear:

[Velvet]

Once you have bought it’s all yours. There is no warranty on land or view, building and appliances yes, but no one gives a warranty that the land or water around your property will stay the same in perpetuity.

Therefore, you yourself need to do as much research as you have to do to satisfy your interests, before you buy. Once you have bought it is too late.

[Annie66]

About 2 years ago, there was a sink hole in the vicinity of 1398 Abercrombie Way. About 4 months ago, there were 2 sink holes on the 2nd hole of either Longleaf or Loblolly Executive Course. Can't recall which course was affected.

More recently, there appears to have been 2 sink holes develop around the retention pond next to the Poinciana swimming pool. Workers have been remediating the area for the past several weeks. When I asked about the issues, the folks would not confirm that they were sink holes.

[Marathon Man]

This is not a funny subject !
The Developer will NOT stand behind you if you have a sinkhole, or a DRY Lake behind your house. Homeowners insurance has a lot of loopholes to jump through. Do yourself a favor and read up on abandoned homes here, and ruined dreams... Google the following for examples:
"sinkhole at 733 Winifred Way" and "sinkhole at 17092 McLawren Terrace" and "sinkhole at 2536 Botello Ave", there are more, but you get the idea, watch out for those waterfront views.

I don't undersatnd this thinking. "I have a sinkhole, and I expect the guy who built my house to do somethnig about it."

[Bogie Shooter]

About 2 years ago, there was a sink hole in the vicinity of 1398 Abercrombie Way. About 4 months ago, there were 2 sink holes on the 2nd hole of either Longleaf or Loblolly Executive Course. Can't recall which course was affected.

More recently, there appears to have been 2 sink holes develop around the retention pond next to the Poinciana swimming pool. Workers have been remediating the area for the past several weeks. When I asked about the issues, the folks would not confirm that they were sink holes.
S, maybe none of these were sink holes...…..

[jswirs]

IMHO, from what I know, the best answer is to keep sink hole insurance on your property, because you'll never know for sure where a sink hole will occur. Before we bought our house in TV, I was ready to proceed on the purchase of another house, which had everything I wanted, until I found out it had been treated for a sink hole a few years ago. And yes, it was below market value, but only by about 15%.

[pauld315]

This is not a funny subject !
The Developer will NOT stand behind you if you have a sinkhole, or a DRY Lake behind your house. Homeowners insurance has a lot of loopholes to jump through. Do yourself a favor and read up on abandoned homes here, and ruined dreams... Google the following for examples:
"sinkhole at 733 Winifred Way" and "sinkhole at 17092 McLawren Terrace" and "sinkhole at 2536 Botello Ave", there are more, but you get the idea, watch out for those waterfront views.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but it was determined that the home at 733 Winifred Way didn't suffer a sinkhole. It was analyzed by Sumter County engineering and found to be a failed drainage pipe that caused the hole. The other news published that on 8/30/18 along with engineering photos showing where the drain pipe had been compromised.

[MrsArmie]

Good to know! Thank you for putting this together!

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

[Advogado]

To refresh people's recollection: Our Sumter County Commissioners refused to oppose pumping of our aquifer for commercial water bottling-- thereby increasing our risk of both sinkholes and water shortages. This happened just a few years ago and, naturally, got virtually no coverage in The Daily Sun. Newcomers can read about it by doing a search in the on-line newspaper for: SWR Properties.

[graciegirl]

To refresh people's recollection: Our Sumter County Commissioners refused to oppose pumping of our aquifer for commercial water bottling-- thereby increasing our risk of both sinkholes and water shortages. This happened just a few years ago and, naturally, got virtually no coverage in The Daily Sun. Newcomers can read about it by doing a search in the on-line newspaper for: SWR Properties.

Zephyr Hills is in Pasco, County.

[Advogado]

Zephyr Hills is in Pasco, County.

The Sumter County pumping is located down by Sumterville. This is explained in the cited articles. I am not sure what the geographic location of Zephyrhills has to do with it.

[Bilyclub]

To refresh people's recollection: Our Sumter County Commissioners refused to oppose pumping of our aquifer for commercial water bottling-- thereby increasing our risk of both sinkholes and water shortages. This happened just a few years ago and, naturally, got virtually no coverage in The Daily Sun. Newcomers can read about it by doing a search in the on-line newspaper for: SWR Properties.


That's a pretty crazy thing to do.

[Advogado]

That's a pretty crazy thing to do.

Indeed. You have to wonder what motivated the Sumter County Commissioners not to vigorously oppose the pumping of the aquifer for commercial bottling, especially in light of the massive expansion of The Villages-- thereby increasing the risk of sinkholes due to the pumping.

In addition, that massive expansion will probably double our need for water right here in Sumter County, leading to the risk of possible water shortages-- as well as increasing the risk of sinkholes due to development itself. With respect to a possible water shortage, all but the newbies will recall that we had water rationing here just a couple of years ago.

For an article about The Villages being in Sinkhole alley and the connection between development, aquifer pumping, and sinkholes, see: The Science Behind Florida’s Sinkhole Epidemic
|
Science

| Smithsonian Magazine (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/science-behind-floridas-sinkhole-epidemic-180969158/)

[La lamy]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.
Thanks for this info, very interesting.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Be careful what information you get about where sinkholes are ,the author took his time and it’s very interesting , but other people love spreading rumors . When I moved into haciendas of Mission Hill there were many rumors of sink holes that were not true , also I’ve been in Florida 30years and no one has found a way to predict sinkholes but the more Florida has been built up the more the ground water shifts the more sinkholes that’s the future

[dale50000]

To me, predicting sinkholes is like predicting 100 year floods.

Being a little cruel, are you

[Bogie Shooter]

Being a little cruel, are you

Nah, just being honest..

[Topspinmo]

Here five of the recent ones that I have.

And how many do them was in storm drain/transfer tube or retention pond. And how many of them had rotted out corrugated piping?

[Topspinmo]

I hope you are wrong. Only your third post with such upsetting information


In the bedroom you say....like the only person that I know of in the news that died from a sinkhole over near Tampa?


Was this in the news?


Posters who live in Alhambra, is this true?

The house in Tampa wasn’t slab built home. Very rarely done slab structure fall into sink hole unless it Hugh

[Topspinmo]

To me, predicting sinkholes is like predicting 100 year floods.


But, you can pretty much bet storm drain system/retention pond involved?

[17362]

There was sinkholes they filled and had Road all torn up last year (2019) up at Calumet Grove by the golf course and Calumet mailbox’s.
Isn’t that area about 17-20 years ago houses made by The Villages?

[Mike Moore]

Is there any additional sinkhole insurance available above-and-beyond what you can get from a home insurance policy (which I understand has limited coverage)? In other words, is there anything I can do to reduce the financial risk of a sinkhole appearing in my front yard?

[IamTheCoolGrandma]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.
Thanks for the info! Thank you for sharing ! ❤️

[Ladygolfer93]

[QUOTE=Advogado;1725791]Indeed. You have to wonder what motivated the Sumter County Commissioners not to vigorously oppose the pumping of the aquifer for commercial bottling, especially in light of the massive expansion of The Villages-- thereby increasing the risk of sinkholes due to the pumping.

In addition, that massive expansion will probably double our need for water right here in Sumter County, leading to the risk of possible water shortages-- as well as increasing the risk of sinkholes due to development itself. With respect to a possible water shortage, all but the newbies will recall that we had water rationing here just a couple of years ago.

For an article about The Villages being in Sinkhole alley and the connection between development, aquifer pumping, and sinkholes, see: [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/science-behind-floridas-sinkhole-epidemic-180969158/]The Science Behind Florida’s Sinkhole Epidemic

Hummm, a good question, what MOTIVATED them to NOT oppose that ? Hummm, oh, could it have been MONEY ? Possibly hu ?

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=Advogado;1725791]Indeed. You have to wonder what motivated the Sumter County Commissioners not to vigorously oppose the pumping of the aquifer for commercial bottling, especially in light of the massive expansion of The Villages-- thereby increasing the risk of sinkholes due to the pumping.

In addition, that massive expansion will probably double our need for water right here in Sumter County, leading to the risk of possible water shortages-- as well as increasing the risk of sinkholes due to development itself. With respect to a possible water shortage, all but the newbies will recall that we had water rationing here just a couple of years ago.

For an article about The Villages being in Sinkhole alley and the connection between development, aquifer pumping, and sinkholes, see: [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/science-behind-floridas-sinkhole-epidemic-180969158/]The Science Behind Florida’s Sinkhole Epidemic

Hummm, a good question, what MOTIVATED them to NOT oppose that ? Hummm, oh, could it have been MONEY ? Possibly hu ?

When WAS that meeting?

[stan the man]

[QUOTE=Ladygolfer93;1831102]

When WAS that meeting?

June 9.2016..you must remember!!!! "A Southwest Florida Water Management District official said Wednesday that the district plans to approve a 20-year water use permit for an Ocala company to pump nearly 500,000 gallons of water daily from two springs along County Road 470 near Sumterville.The well normally would operate 13 hours daily and fill 80 trucks with 6,200 gallons each, according to the permit application. In peak months, it would operate around-the-clock and pump 892,000 gallons, filling 144 trucks. " quote from other news site

[Klink1627]

We almost purchased a home in the village.of Alhambra last February. Come to find out that house and a few others were victims of sink holes and the news wasn't disclosed in the seller's statement.we found out by going online and investigating. Beware

[Topspinmo]

To me, predicting sinkholes is like predicting 100 year floods.


IMO Unless you’re under, around street drains, or retention pond transfer tubes. IMO the odds go up ^^^

[Topspinmo]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

Since I been here 90% or greater sinkhole I’ve seen was in close proximity or under street drain, retention pond, or irrigation transfers tubes.

[graciegirl]

Plotting a map where sinkholes have been is about as useful as knowing where divorces have occurred.

Just google.."Map of sinkholes in Florida".

Here is one;

https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/8e/c6/8ec643c9-1330-40b2-bcd5-0d36bbb1831a/florida-sinkholes.jpg

[graciegirl]

This is one of those things like Global Warming....we know it is happening but not a whole big lot can be done about it. At this time.

Knowing WHERE the next sinkhole will be other than somewhere in Central-West Florida is all we know.

So...we can move away from here. Then there are lightning strikes too. What can we do about them? Don't have gas appliances is my answer.

[Comptoncb]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.
Hi, I just contracted for a home in Monarch Grove. I was told by the villagers insurance that there was a sinkhole within a mile of out home and therefore Progressive would not insure our home. Does anyone know of a sinkhole near Harter Way?

[Bilyclub]

I wonder if the OP is still around. He hasn't posted on TOTV in almost a year. There's been at least 2 sink holes since then.

[Bogie Shooter]

I wonder if the OP is still around. He hasn't posted on TOTV in almost a year. There's been at least 2 sink holes since then.

And there will be more……so…..?

[gdennis317]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

I did this exact same thing back in 2016 when we were going to come down in early 2017 to buy. I used a Geological Survey Map of Elevations and research all I could find about Sinkholes over the prior numerous years and mapped them out on the survey.

There was a Post here back then with similar theory. Some discussion occurred but evidence seemed to support the Theory in my mind so I ran with it.

[Bilyclub]

And there will be more……so…..?

I like his map.

[DotComMom]

I did this exact same thing back in 2016 when we were going to come down in early 2017 to buy. I used a Geological Survey Map of Elevations and research all I could find about Sinkholes over the prior numerous years and mapped them out on the survey.

There was a Post here back then with similar theory. Some discussion occurred but evidence seemed to support the Theory in my mind so I ran with it.


What was your theory?

[JRP2TV]

Hi, I just contracted for a home in Monarch Grove. I was told by the villagers insurance that there was a sinkhole within a mile of out home and therefore Progressive would not insure our home. Does anyone know of a sinkhole near Harter Way?

I'd be interested in this. This is near where we are buying.

I always have this in the back of my mind.

[Escape Artist]

There was sinkholes they filled and had Road all torn up last year (2019) up at Calumet Grove by the golf course and Calumet mailbox’s.
Isn’t that area about 17-20 years ago houses made by The Villages?

I see you live in Chatham where I'm in the process of buying a home. What's the sink hole situation there? It's near to Calumet Grove so that's why I'm wondering.

Thanks in advance for your response.

[Pairadocs]

OP, interesting information and as you mentioned----unscientific. When we first retired, we built a home in Royal Highlands which is about 12 miles south of Leesburg. The very first sinkhole was a large one and at the highest elevation in the subdivision. ???? Not having any education or training on this subject matter, I don't know what this means or what your poll of sinkholes in TV means either.

Perhaps someone with "knowledge" of sinkholes can comment. All I know, and have read, a sinkhole can happen just about anywhere in Florida---especially Central Florida.

Adult children in Missouri near St. Louis have experienced two of them... had to do with "limestone" in the earth there being very fragile.

[Pairadocs]

We are visiting soon and looking to buy so I wondered about the sinkhole issue. This is very helpful. Thank you.


Don't become paranoid about it, but DO a LOT of homework. Florida government website also keep maps with good stats, and you definitely want to make sure you talk in person with the insurance agency you are going to use and make SURE you understand the differences in the coverage and especially the "TERMS" used in the language ! ! HOME WORK PAYS

[don_h]

Thanks for the link on the geology paper for central FL In some cases it is possible to detect sinkholes using geophysical methods. One is ground penetrating radar(GPR). The depth of detection is inversely proportional to the frequency. But the resolution is lower for lower frequencies. So using higher frequencies gives more detail but won't detect as deep. Ground penetrating radar devices are very expensive. There are companies out there that can do a study of your property. You can easily find them with a search engine. I would put one here, but someone might think that I am promoting it and have an interest in their business.

If you are an electronics enthusiast I saw some plans on how to build one, but I am not sure of its performance, and so far I haven't found a link for the source code.

You could use statistics to formally look for a correlation between elevation and sinkholes. Those with lower elevation though are also closer to layers where the FL aquifer is, and where conduits and caves would form. So GPR would not have as far to go to reach that layer. Clay soils and moisture greatly affect GPR by reducing the range of the signal. Under those conditions you may not get the detection depth that you want.

[Matzy]

Thank you very much for this article and the work you’ve done. I appreciate also all comments to this topic.

[buster21]

The compass app on your iPhone gives the elevation where the phone is located.

[FinallyHome352]

Wow! Thank you!

[Bogie Shooter]

Wow! Thank you!

Who?

[coffeebean]

Here five of the recent ones that I have.

I'm in Mallory Square. Yikes! I do have something to worry about. Life is not all a bowl of cherries.

[Normal]

Sinkholes occur when limestone is eroded away by water. Almost the entire state of Florida is on a limestone base. Perhaps (unscientifically speaking), water gathers from rains etc to the lowest spots and accelerates erosion. This kind of endorses you hypotheses?

[JRcorvette]

Considering the number of homes here in the Villages sinkholes are a very rare occurrence. You are more likely to have a home fire. Companies are making a lot of money on that insurance coverage.

[Robojo]

I wonder if we laid this map over the florida sinkhole rating map if we would find any answers.

I am very interested in this topic and its seems like no one wants to talk about it.

How can a person invest 500k into a house that may sink into the ground?



I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

[Topspinmo]

To me, predicting sinkholes is like predicting 100 year floods.

IMO I’d say 500 year floods unless water Main breaks or retention pond drain/transfer pipes are involved then it goes way up like predicting winner of 10 horse races. :undecided:

IMO majority of sinkholes most likely would not of occurred if development had not taken place.:blahblahblah:

[Topspinmo]

I wonder if we laid this map over the florida sinkhole rating map if we would find any answers.

I am very interested in this topic and its seems like no one wants to talk about it.

How can a person invest 500k into a house that may sink into the ground?

You might be able have penetrating ground inspection that my show something if it does and have it filled in before build house (but that may cost more than house?)Like ones they do when sinkhole occurs before they fill it in. I sure it’s pretty expensive? I don’t know it it’s allowed on new or resale homes already built?

[Bill14564]

I wonder if we laid this map over the florida sinkhole rating map if we would find any answers.

I am very interested in this topic and its seems like no one wants to talk about it.

How can a person invest 500k into a house that may sink into the ground?

There is a Florida sinkhole rating map??

We live in one of the most active lightning areas in the US. How can a person invest 500k into a house that may get hit by lightning? Whether it's lightning, blizzards, floods, wildfires, hurricanes, tornadoes, or earthquakes you cannot get away from natural disasters. Do what you can to avoid them, do what you can to prepare for them, then buy your 500k house where you feel the rewards outweigh the risks.

[Topspinmo]

There is a Florida sinkhole rating map??

We live in one of the most active lightning areas in the US. How can a person invest 500k into a house that may get hit by lightning? Whether it's lightning, blizzards, floods, wildfires, hurricanes, tornadoes, or earthquakes you cannot get away from natural disasters. Do what you can to avoid them, do what you can to prepare for them, then buy your 500k house where you feel the rewards outweigh the risks.


Or have good insurance policy and good lawyer.

[neilbcox]

About 7 years ago a major sink hole (developer says depression) was directly under Hillsborough road by Pensacola golf course. It took several weeks for developers to repair. I believe it was 20 feet deep.

Have you completed your great research south of H44?

[neilbcox]

Our home is directly beside a protective preserve by Lake Denham. Our lot was built up about 8 feet higher than the preserve floor which seems to be swampy.

My legal question is since the developer and hired engineers approved this action should they hold responsibility if any sinkhole (depression) develops?

Thanks for any legal suggestions?

[Glowing Horizon]

Since large amounts of rain following a dry spell is one of the causes of sinkhole formation according to geologists, then why aren't gutters required for every Villages building, along with downspouts tied to subsurface storm sewers to carry water away from structures? Several homes I looked at had no gutters at all. Wouldn't the erosion from roof runoff potentially contribute to sinkholes & wouldn't the erosion predictably get worse over time?

[Bogie Shooter]

Since large amounts of rain following a dry spell is one of the causes of sinkhole formation according to geologists, then why aren't gutters required for every Villages building, along with downspouts tied to subsurface storm sewers to carry water away from structures? Several homes I looked at had no gutters at all. Wouldn't the erosion from roof runoff potentially contribute to sinkholes & wouldn't the erosion predictably get worse over time?
Pour a glass of wine……..and read the previous 150 posts for answers.:ho:

[Robojo]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

Thank you

[asianthree]

Since large amounts of rain following a dry spell is one of the causes of sinkhole formation according to geologists, then why aren't gutters required for every Villages building, along with downspouts tied to subsurface storm sewers to carry water away from structures? Several homes I looked at had no gutters at all. Wouldn't the erosion from roof runoff potentially contribute to sinkholes & wouldn't the erosion predictably get worse over time?

Or would the runoff from the gutter downspout to one area cause a erosion for possible sinkholes?:shrug:

[jpvillager]

I may be all wet, no pun intended but: We have driven on the streets where several sink holes occurred around houses. What bothers me is that frequently there were pvc pipes hanging in the sink hole which make me wonder how many may be caused by leaking pipes, perhaps joints that we not glued, or poor workmanship. We had a neighbor who had a wet spot in his yard caused by an unglued irrigation pipe that had separated.

[Bogie Shooter]

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[Jboduch]

Here five of the recent ones that I have.

Great info! Thank you!

[LoisR]

Several years ago I contacted both The Villages developer and the VHA about using ground penetrating radar (GPR) to check for sink holes before building. I never got a response back from either one even after multiple contacts. Any guesses why?

[Sheri]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

Have you ever updated this map? If so, I would love a copy!

[Blueblaze]

I have been a resident of the Villages for only a few years. Using the news releases and postings on this website, I got the elevation chart from the Sumter county website and overlayed (using google maps) the roads of the villages. From that, I put a yellow dot where I have record of past sinkholes; whether big ones or little ones. Using Google earth (which has plotted every road in the Villages) and the elevation they provide, I put the elevation of that area by the yellow dot. Disregarding two areas where sinkholes occurred because of retention pond lining issues, I have 8 others as shown. What I found (though absolutely unscientific) is that of the 8 that I know of, were all below 84 feet in elevation, with the lowest being at 63 ft. There are portions of the Villages where the elevation is much higher... all the way up to 140 feet. No sinkholes have occurred in those areas. So.. I'm thinking that the more elevation / ground you have under you, the lesser the probability of a sinkhole occurring. Anyhow, I'm just sharing for those that may be interested. And BTW, if I am missing any locations from the past, just post it's location and date and I will add to the chart.

I guess I'd find your map more interesting if it didn't exclude practically everything north of the Savanna rec center, as if we don't exist. But I guess that's a good thing? If we had any sink holes up here would we have made your map? How about the historic section?

[G.R.I.T.S.]

2800 Plainridge Loop, Village of Belvedere.

[Bilyclub]

I guess I'd find your map more interesting if it didn't exclude practically everything north of the Savanna rec center, as if we don't exist. But I guess that's a good thing? If we had any sink holes up here would we have made your map? How about the historic section?

There was a doozy in Calumet Grove.