Temperature of pool water

[bgalster]

We are new to TV [ 6 months ] and enjoy the fact that pool water is heated in winter months for our enjoyment, however during this time of year the water is so warm and no longer refreshing that we don't even go to pool unless there was a very rain the night before to cool water temps. I an sure this subject has been hashed and re-hashed, but there must be a way to solve this problem. We all pay for use of pools / facilities so why not make them enjoyable ?

[Uptown Girl]

We are having unusually hot weather.
100 degree temperatures are not typical here in June.

What would you have The Villages do? Chill outdoor pools?

[hulahips]

When the rain starts, they will cool down. We are just in a dry hot spell right now

[CassieInVa]

Bgalster, I have felt the same way. When I first came to The Villages and got into one of the pools, I was surprised at how warm it was. I am the same as you . I want to feel refreshed and I feel like I'm getting into a bathtub. I have been in a lot of different pools during warm weather, but none of them have ever felt as hot as the pools here in The Villages. I always wondered if they are heated even in the summer? Or are they unheated and they're just this hot due to the sun and temperature? Even in Las Vegas and in the tropics, the pools always felt refreshing and not like a sauna. Glad to know I'm not alone.

[JoMar]

We are new to TV [ 6 months ] and enjoy the fact that pool water is heated in winter months for our enjoyment, however during this time of year the water is so warm and no longer refreshing that we don't even go to pool unless there was a very rain the night before to cool water temps. I an sure this subject has been hashed and re-hashed, but there must be a way to solve this problem. We all pay for use of pools / facilities so why not make them enjoyable ?

Did you ever consider that what is enjoyable to you might not be enjoyable to everyone? Plus, you might be able to put your own pool in then you could have control of what works for you.

[wendyquat]

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[wudda1955]

How exactly, do you propose to cool the pool water? Ice cubes?

[Barefoot]

I an sure this subject has been hashed and re-hashed, but there must be a way to solve this problem. We all pay for use of pools / facilities so why not make them enjoyable ?

Are you sure there is a problem? Others may not agree with the temperature you find enjoyable.

[njbchbum]

OMG! The OP sounds like my old pastor who responded to a parishoner who was asking to air condition the Church - Dear, if we give them air conditioning in the summer, the next thing they will want is heat in the winter! Will they never be satisfied?

The Church never did add air conditioning!

[Ooper]

I'd say if it is too warm, put all your ice cubes from your freezer in a bucket and bring them with you. If everybody does this, maybe it would help cool it off for you a bit... gosh!

[CFrance]

My flabber is gasted.

[DougB]

Need to make them a little dryer also. I believe they are a little too wet.

[CFrance]

Need to make them a little dryer also. I believe they are a little too wet.
I noticed that! And the water sticks to you when you get out.

[graciegirl]

My mouth dropped open. My blood pressure went slightly up and then you wonderful, witty, warm and amazing people began to type.


I just had several coffee spits and much laughter.


What a wonderful bunch of folks.

[redwitch]

Personally, I like very hot baths, hot tubs around 104, pools at 84-86. Hotter than very hot and 86 is just not comfortable (I can take the hot tub hotter but know it's not good for me). Cooler is tolerable, but not enjoyable, so, I sympathize with you.

I've been told the pools are heated year round. If this is true, then adding unusually hot weather with no rain has to make the pools miserable for many of us. Try hitting the pool first thing in the morning, they're a little cooler then.

[123Cookie]

We are having unusually hot weather.
100 degree temperatures are not typical here in June.

What would you have The Villages do? Chill outdoor pools?

Why not - chillers for a 60,000 gallon pool run at most $6000 per pool - after all they heat it for snowbirds in the winter - why not cool it for the frogs in the summer months - only fair !!!

[Jaggy]

:agree:Why not - chillers for a 60,000 gallon pool run at most $6000 per pool - after all they heat it for snowbirds in the winter - why not cool it for the frogs in the summer months - only fair !!!

[KayakerNC]

Why not - chillers for a 60,000 gallon pool run at most $6000 per pool - after all they heat it for snowbirds in the winter - why not cool it for the frogs in the summer months - only fair !!!

Not an engineer, but wouldn't if be cheaper to just pump the pool water through a geothermal system of underground pipes? Summer and Winter?
Just thinking out loud.:mornincoffee:

[graciegirl]

Not an engineer, but wouldn't if be cheaper to just pump the pool water through a geothermal system of underground pipes? Summer and Winter?
Just thinking out loud.:mornincoffee:


or remind ourselves this is an unusually hot patch of weather? We just put in a new pool, and the air temp was 100 yesterday. The pool water was 93.

[outlaw]

The pools are heated to 83 degrees year round. The only pool I know of that has cooling capability in the villages is the Chatham? pool. They installed a solar heating system for their pool, which will also provide cooling using temp differentials at nighttime. The only problem is that the morning swimmers may find the pool too cool for their comfort. It's a tough problem to solve for everyone's ideal temp. I have a pool with special solar blocking screen in the birdcage roof that keeps the pool pretty cool during the hot sunny days.

[VirgoGirl]

Have everyone bring a bag of ice when they go to the pool.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I like the temperature of the water. I don't think I'd like it any cooler.

Besides, I don't think that there is anyway of cooling the pools short of adding refrigeration to them. How many millions of dollars would that cost to so fifty pools?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Personally, I like very hot baths, hot tubs around 104, pools at 84-86. Hotter than very hot and 86 is just not comfortable (I can take the hot tub hotter but know it's not good for me). Cooler is tolerable, but not enjoyable, so, I sympathize with you.

I've been told the pools are heated year round. If this is true, then adding unusually hot weather with no rain has to make the pools miserable for many of us. Try hitting the pool first thing in the morning, they're a little cooler then.

I'm sorry, but "miserable"?? Really???

In the inner cities fire departments open hydrants for the kids to play in. do you really want to use the word "miserable". To describe going to one of our beautiful pools?

[pbkmaine]

I did not really understand why DH was so insistent on us having a pool when there are so many nice pools here in TV. Now I am imagining what it would be like to be at our neighborhood pool while people are arguing about water temperature. I think I will go give DH a hug.

[redwitch]

Yes, miserable fits. I go to pools to cool off. Hate to jump in and be almost as hot as I was before I hit the water. That makes me grumpy, headachy and mildly miserable. As to opening fire hydrants, I always thought that was great fun when it occurred. There is poverty everywhere, even here. I can feel bad for these people and I help when I can but that doesn't take away from my feelings of joy, displeasure of downright miserableness. Does it yours?

Your comment reminds me too much of my mother saying to eat everything on my plate because children in China were starving. Like most children, I ultimately suggested my mother send the food to them because I didn't want it.

[outlaw]

I did not really understand why DH was so insistent on us having a pool when there are so many nice pools here in TV. Now I am imagining what it would be like to be at our neighborhood pool while people are arguing about water temperature. I think I will go give DH a hug.

It was probably the feces concern which is much more prevalent than you may think. Few people actually take a proper shower, including soaping the "hidden" places, prior to jumping in. Those pool side showers don't do anything but wash a little suntan lotion off. Smart person, DH.

[Happydaz]

Why not - chillers for a 60,000 gallon pool run at most $6000 per pool - after all they heat it for snowbirds in the winter - why not cool it for the frogs in the summer months - only fair !!!

This is the way to go! A typical adult pool in the Villages will need a chiller that can do 80,000 gallons or less. The cost of this size chiller is $5,000. Installation will cost $1,000 more.These run on 110 and cost about $40 a month to operate for the three to four months they are needed. This is much less than it costs to heat the pools in the winter. Many of us in The Villages live here full time now. It is time we solve this pool overheating issue. I have heard many people say that they no longer go to the pools because they are too hot. We can solve this problem for a low cost. The chiller unit just gets attached to all the rest of the pool equipment so it presents no installation problems. I am sure the manufacturers will give us even better pricing if we do entire CCD Districts. I have been in contact with one company and they are very anxious to do business with us. Our local pool is looking to approach our CCD about this issue.

[RickeyD]

Not an engineer, but wouldn't if be cheaper to just pump the pool water through a geothermal system of underground pipes? Summer and Winter?
Just thinking out loud.:mornincoffee:


Yes it would, but allow the experts to continue.

[sunnyatlast]

The real problem is the sport pools that are too hot to work out in in any given summer. That and the messengers have already been shot, trashed, sliced, and diced on other threads, but I'll say this one thing.

How many people would go bowling without air conditioning here in the summer? After all, bowling has the most participants of any sport here in TV. How many people would use the TV fitness centers at regional rec centers without air conditioning? Air conditioning is very expensive, too. The sport pool schedules are full of classes and teams all day and into the evening, which to me indicates there are many participants in the aquatic fitness venues--sport pools.

Just because you don't do a particular sport doesn't mean you should trash reasonable suggestions from reasonable people, who for example, suggest commercial pool chillers:

commercial pool cooler (http://www.mistcooling.com/commercial-pool-cooler.html)

Commercial Swimming Pool Cooler Chiller / Glacier cooling for your pool! No more bath water in hot summer months. (http://coolerpool.com/html/commercial_swimming_pool_coole.html)

So let the trashing begin..............

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[perrjojo]

I love the warm pools.

[Greg Nelson]

i love the warm pools.
perfect!

[rjm1cc]

I did not really understand why DH was so insistent on us having a pool when there are so many nice pools here in TV. Now I am imagining what it would be like to be at our neighborhood pool while people are arguing about water temperature. I think I will go give DH a hug.

Remember you still have to control the temperature. My neighbor uses solar water tubs on the roof with a gas back up to heat the pool. Medically they need their pool water on the hotter side. No backup for cooling. Guess you would have to pump water out and bring in cold water to cool. Remember water is a problem in Fl and you could have a problem with limits on how much water you use like in CA.

I would stick with the public pools.

[sunnyatlast]

I love the warm pools.

I "love the warm pools", too, for leisure use, but not for fitness and exercise.

The sport pools are for sport, fitness and exercise, not leisurely use.

And in the summers, none of the pools are "warm". They are "hot", which means hotter than 88 degrees and in the 90's. The water's too hot for even an arthritis class.

The only thing pool water that hot is good for is taking a bath, or for passing out in it and being hauled out on a stretcher.

[justjim]

The real problem is the sport pools that are too hot to work out in in any given summer. That and the messengers have already been shot, trashed, sliced, and diced on other threads, but I'll say this one thing.

How many people would go bowling without air conditioning here in the summer? After all, bowling has the most participants of any sport here in TV. How many people would use the TV fitness centers at regional rec centers without air conditioning? Air conditioning is very expensive, too. The sport pool schedules are full of classes and teams all day and into the evening, which to me indicates there are many participants in the aquatic fitness venues--sport pools.

Just because you don't do a particular sport doesn't mean you should trash reasonable suggestions from reasonable people, who for example, suggest commercial pool chillers:

commercial pool cooler (http://www.mistcooling.com/commercial-pool-cooler.html)

Commercial Swimming Pool Cooler Chiller / Glacier cooling for your pool! No more bath water in hot summer months. (http://coolerpool.com/html/commercial_swimming_pool_coole.html)

So let the trashing begin..............

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I have heard that bowling has more participants than any other sport. The math just doesn't add up for me that two bowling facilities could have more participants than all the golf courses in TV. But then, I never claimed to be the brightest bulb in the ceiling.

First the pools are too cold and now they are too hot. Seriously? :a040:

[coffeebean]

I'm aware the pools are heated in the winter but are the pools heated in the summer too? It doesn't make sense that the pools are heated when the air temperatures are hot and the blazing sun heats the water in the hotter months.

[Chatbrat]

When we lived in NC I built an indoor pool for the Admiral, kept in heated to 86 in the winter. She loved it--should have seen that electric meter spin $600-$700/month

[graciegirl]

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[Happydaz]

The real problem is the sport pools that are too hot to work out in in any given summer. That and the messengers have already been shot, trashed, sliced, and diced on other threads, but I'll say this one thing.

How many people would go bowling without air conditioning here in the summer? After all, bowling has the most participants of any sport here in TV. How many people would use the TV fitness centers at regional rec centers without air conditioning? Air conditioning is very expensive, too. The sport pool schedules are full of classes and teams all day and into the evening, which to me indicates there are many participants in the aquatic fitness venues--sport pools.

Just because you don't do a particular sport doesn't mean you should trash reasonable suggestions from reasonable people, who for example, suggest commercial pool chillers:

commercial pool cooler (http://www.mistcooling.com/commercial-pool-cooler.html)

Commercial Swimming Pool Cooler Chiller / Glacier cooling for your pool! No more bath water in hot summer months. (http://coolerpool.com/html/commercial_swimming_pool_coole.html)

So let the trashing begin..............

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The representative I spoke with at one of the commercial chiller manufacturers mentioned that they had installed a number of units for many sports pools. He mentioned some Del Webb communities, in particular, and said the chillers worked very well. Since the chillers are thermostatically controlled they maintain an even temperature. Choosing the correct size chiller is the key. It can be done for adult, community, and sport pools.

[sunnyatlast]

Usually you and I are on the same page, but I think that when the pool water gets too hot for exercising, do something else, take a brisk walk and then have a cool shower. I don't like cool water in pools. I am just as important as the folks who want it cooler.

I am 75 years old and somehow survived without even KNOWING about a pool cooler. How many days a year do you think the water gets up past 88 here? I would guess no more than 30.

Well, many people here of any age never KNEW about "central air conditioning", especially in the northern half of the nation, until the 1980s or so, but now central A/C is expected instead of those heavy metal boxes hanging out of the windows of the bedrooms, and they sag and look tacky.

Many people here never KNEW about "personal computing" or "internet" until the 1980s, 90s and 2000s. I guess then that the Recreation Dept. ought not be wasting OUR money on being computerized, because many of us never KNEW of that until recent years or decades.

But my guess is, we all learn things every day that we didn't KNOW about, and if we are willing, we can change our minds when new information is learned.

[Happydaz]

Many of the people who are posting on this subject don't even use the pools. Some even have their own pools and don't use the neighborhood or sports pools. Anyone who has been in the Villages pools the past few weeks knows the water is too hot. It is definitely over 90 degrees. I wish all the jokesters and people who comment on everything would try looking at this issue seriously. We swimmers who use our local pools every day know how hot the water is.

I remember my father saying he would never get a car with air conditioning as you can open up those little vent windows in the car and direct air to the people inside. Cars don't even have vent windows anymore!

Don't fight progress. We could buy eight chillers and run them for two years for the $50,000 one CCD District is paying for the cut down oak trees! Why not spend the same amount of money and benefit eight village pools?

[graciegirl]

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[gerryann]

I'm aware the pools are heated in the winter but are the pools heated in the summer too? It doesn't make sense that the pools are heated when the air temperatures are hot and the blazing sun heats the water in the hotter months.

Of course they are not heated in the summer.....at least not by a heater.

When I lived in Bonita Springs, the ocean was in the 90's in the summer. Not comfortable at all. I'd look forward to getting home to "cool off" in the pool.....guess what.....the pool was in the 90's as well. This is summer in Florida. Either get your own pool, or don't go.

So many things to complain about.:ohdear:

[joldnol]

Wow, some of y'all are just unkind. I can't speak for the other pools but the Dunedin Pool is too damn hot. Makes for a nice petri dish

[njbchbum]

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Don't fight progress. We could buy eight chillers and run them for two years for the $50,000 one CCD District is paying for the cut down oak trees! Why not spend the same amount of money and benefit eight village pools?

Because all of the people who do use the pools may not feel the same way that posters who favor colder pool water feel?

[Grandfinch]

I hope most of you understand that the term swimimng pool is not a part of the conversation ,and to say the water is not to their liking is one big WOW are you kidding me.

[CFrance]

Because all of the people who do use the pools may not feel the same way that posters who favor colder pool water feel?
True! I go to my neighborhood pool around 8:00 am every morning and enjoy just being able to walk right in. My only problem is getting up that early, not the heat. But my friend urges me on.

[sunnyatlast]

Wow, some of y'all are just unkind. I can't speak for the other pools but the Dunedin Pool is too damn hot. Makes for a nice petri dish

"Petri dish" is right. The hotter the pool water and more constant the summer sun in longer daylight hours, the faster the pool sanitizing chemicals like chlorine dissipate, and the chemicals cost a lot more money in the hottest months.

And the hotter the pool, the more people sweat in the water in a sport pool lap swim and workout, and so....the more the chemical balance of the pool water is affected by the ammonia in the increased sweating of the swimmers not being cooled off by either the water or the ambient temperature outside the water.

That is one of the biggest reasons the commercial chillers are put in. They not only cool, but the cost of buying and running it is paid for quickly by decreased chemical balancing/sanitizing costs AND more consistent, even water temperature.

But that's all in the links I posted earlier and if people don't want to read, they don't.

[nitakk]

I am stunned by the cutting comments to a new person in TV, but this is what this forum has become. First of all, welcome and keep in mind the posts here are not reflective of the majority. Maybe to some of the older residents the pools feel just fine but to me they feel like a hot tub without bubbles in the summer. And by the way posters, most of us can't afford our own pool. Try a little kindness, people!

[perrjojo]

This is not a cutting post. This is a common sense post. This is Flordia. The pools are warm in the summer. The lakes are warm in the summer. The ocean is warm in the summer. Here is the trade off....there is no snow in winter...no blizzards... No need for generators because snow has the power lines down, etc. We make trade offs every day. We choose what is most important to us. This is why I choose to live in Florida

[Villager Joyce]

How to make a public pool your own private pool: Talk about feces, people not washing private parts with soap And Petri dishes. You don't have to talk about clicks or old people hating Young people.

[CFrance]

I am stunned by the cutting comments to a new person in TV, but this is what this forum has become. First of all, welcome and keep in mind the posts here are not reflective of the majority. Maybe to some of the older residents the pools feel just fine but to me they feel like a hot tub without bubbles in the summer. And by the way posters, most of us can't afford our own pool. Try a little kindness, people!
And I am stunned by the people who want to have every single thing about their lives picture perfect, whether it's the majority view or not. And also stunned by people who complain about every little thing that doesn't suit them.

This isn't paradise. It's a retirement community that's warm in the winter and hot in the summer. Nobody promised anyone a 75-degree pool. There are things that need fixing, but that's not high on most people's list. Next thing you'll want is misters on every golf course hole.

[perrjojo]

And I am stunned by the people who want to have every single thing about their lives picture perfect, whether it's the majority view or not. And also stunned by people who complain about every little thing that doesn't suit them.

This isn't paradise. It's a retirement community that's warm in the winter and hot in the summer. Nobody promised anyone a 75-degree pool. There are things that need fixing, but that's not high on most people's list. Next thing you'll want is misters on every golf course hole.j

Ahhh! Good idea! Misters on the golf course, bocce courts, tennis courts, pickle ball courts. Oh, and Pleaaaase help with the entertainment at the squares. It is way too hot to line dance.

[Big O]

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Ahhh! Good idea! Misters on the golf course, bocce courts, tennis courts, pickle ball courts. Oh, and Pleaaaase help with the entertainment at the squares. It is way too hot to line dance.


I would have environmental concerns with the water usage that mister usage would entail. I think full air conditioning is needed.

[sunnyatlast]

And I am stunned by the people who want to have every single thing about their lives picture perfect, whether it's the majority view or not. And also stunned by people who complain about every little thing that doesn't suit them.

This isn't paradise. It's a retirement community that's warm in the winter and hot in the summer. Nobody promised anyone a 75-degree pool. There are things that need fixing, but that's not high on most people's list. Next thing you'll want is misters on every golf course hole.

And yet, it's perfectly fine to complain about TV not providing enough dog parks.

But guess what. The developers, in their fiscal wisdom and responsiveness to a minority here, found a way to build another, even better dog park....

....about which by the way, I don't complain, despite the fact we do not use dog parks (because we see no need to).

[cologal]

How exactly, do you propose to cool the pool water? Ice cubes?

We were joking about that in a Water Aerobics class last week!!!!

[Happydaz]

We are new to TV [ 6 months ] and enjoy the fact that pool water is heated in winter months for our enjoyment, however during this time of year the water is so warm and no longer refreshing that we don't even go to pool unless there was a very rain the night before to cool water temps. I an sure this subject has been hashed and re-hashed, but there must be a way to solve this problem. We all pay for use of pools / facilities so why not make them enjoyable ?

Great post! As discussed by many posters, chillers at modest cost can solve this problem. Don't pay attention to all the jokesters and constant posters. They like to take the wind out of other people's sails. If this is important to you present your thoughts to your CCD. That is how improvements and changes are made. It is OK to put your ideas forward and if others agree with you they will be instituted as new policies. I think your question was a good one. Thanks for posting it! Welcome to The Villages.

[Love2Swim]

This is the way to go! A typical adult pool in the Villages will need a chiller that can do 80,000 gallons or less. The cost of this size chiller is $5,000. Installation will cost $1,000 more.These run on 110 and cost about $40 a month to operate for the three to four months they are needed. This is much less than it costs to heat the pools in the winter. Many of us in The Villages live here full time now. It is time we solve this pool overheating issue. I have heard many people say that they no longer go to the pools because they are too hot. We can solve this problem for a low cost. The chiller unit just gets attached to all the rest of the pool equipment so it presents no installation problems. I am sure the manufacturers will give us even better pricing if we do entire CCD Districts. I have been in contact with one company and they are very anxious to do business with us. Our local pool is looking to approach our CCD about this issue.

Thanks for the info. I'm sure there are people who paddle around the pools, and for a variety of reasons, don't mind the high temperatures. But those of us who swim serious laps, have a real problem with the pool temperature this time of year. Right now the pool water is 90 degrees at Laurel Manor and Mulberry, the pools I happen to use. It is literally like bath water, almost impossible to do a good aerobic workout in that water temperature. There is a state of the art pool in Clermont that is kept at around 82 degrees, so we know it can be done. I too wish The Villages had at least one pool that had chillers for this hot weather, which will continue on through September. The rains are only a short lived help, the water will continually be in the high 80's and low 90's for the next 3 months. I'd like to think our community can be responsive to all the pool users. There are plenty of lap swimmers who would love some cooler water to swim in.

[JoMar]

Great post! As discussed by many posters, chillers at modest cost can solve this problem. Don't pay attention to all the jokesters and constant posters. They like to take the wind out of other people's sails. If this is important to you present your thoughts to your CCD. That is how improvements and changes are made. It is OK to put your ideas forward and if others agree with you they will be instituted as new policies. I think your question was a good one. Thanks for posting it! Welcome to The Villages.

I think it would be larger than a CDD. Put chillers in one pool and everyone would go there. I think it would be a PWC decision....and then of course there is the budget for the PWC

[Barefoot]

I am stunned by the cutting comments to a new person in TV, but this is what this forum has become.

This is not a cutting post. This is a common sense post. This is Florida. The pools are warm in the summer. The lakes are warm in the summer. The ocean is warm in the summer. Here is the trade off....there is no snow in winter...no blizzards... No need for generators because snow has the power lines down, etc. We make trade offs every day. We choose what is most important to us. This is why I choose to live in Florida

And I am stunned by the people who want to have every single thing about their lives picture perfect, whether it's the majority view or not. And also stunned by people who complain about every little thing that doesn't suit them.

This isn't paradise. It's a retirement community that's warm in the winter and hot in the summer. Nobody promised anyone a 75-degree pool. There are things that need fixing, but that's not high on most people's list. Next thing you'll want is misters on every golf course hole.

:agree: Supposedly there are over 100 pools in The Villages including adult pools, family pools and sports pools.
Which pools would be chilled to ensure that everyone is happy?

[CassieInVa]

Wow , I can't believe some of the snarky comments, especially at the beginning of this thread. OP was only saying that they wish the pools were not so hot. You shouldn't make fun of someone just because they make a suggestion or comment. I'm sure they didn't mean that the villages had to spend millions of dollars to chill the pools. They probably are questioning the same thing that I am. Does the pool water have to be this hot? And I'm not talking about just now in this heat wave. Is it just the weather and the sun? Or the combination of the heated pool in the summer and the sun and the heat? If I wanted to take a bath or be in hot bath water, I would just stay home and take a bath or get into my hot tub. Out of all the pools in the villages, it sure would be nice if there was one that was refreshing to swim in. And there are at least a few others here in the villages that agree, it seems.

[Happydaz]

:agree: Supposedly there are over 100 pools in The Villages including adult pools, family pools and sports pools.
Which pools would be chilled to ensure that everyone is happy?


That should be left up to the various governing bodies in The Villages. If people are going to flock to the pools with the chillers then that shows how large the need is.

[gerryann]

Wow , I can't believe some of the snarky comments, especially at the beginning of this thread. OP was only saying that they wish the pools were not so hot. You shouldn't make fun of someone just because they make a suggestion or comment. I'm sure they didn't mean that the villages had to spend millions of dollars to chill the pools. They probably are questioning the same thing that I am. Does the pool water have to be this hot? And I'm not talking about just now in this heat wave. Is it just the weather and the sun? Or the combination of the heated pool in the summer and the sun and the heat? If I wanted to take a bath or be in hot bath water, I would just stay home and take a bath or get into my hot tub. Out of all the pools in the villages, it sure would be nice if there was one that was refreshing to swim in. And there are at least a few others here in the villages that agree, it seems.

Ok, cool.down one pool and you'll have a few hundred and more wanting to use it.

I don't feel anyone meant to be nasty at all. It's just that it's summer and this is just what happens in summer. Everything gets hot.

[justjim]

True! I go to my neighborhood pool around 8:00 am every morning and enjoy just being able to walk right in. My only problem is getting up that early, not the heat. But my friend urges me on.

I think you make a good point. If swimming in the heat of the summer you go early or late. Similar to golfers going to the course early or late when the temp is 90 degrees or better. In the heat of the afternoon, enjoy that A.C. !

[BobandMary]

From a conservative view... Think green. Don't cool the pool. Uses too much energy and could harm the planet.

[ping]

Too warm, not warm enough! Too cold, not refreshing enough........I'm just glad there is a well maintained pool in my area that I can use whenever I want.........it's perfect as far as I'm concerned!

[buzzy]

OMG, I had no idea that so many of my former condo neighbors had followed me here.

[asianthree]

Maybe a run thru the sprinklers like when you were kids. Just a thought

[sunnyatlast]

Maybe a run thru the sprinklers like when you were kids. Just a thought

We're using the sport pools to exercise for better health and to stay out of the hospital and nursing home or rehab center.

It's condescending to imply we should just get "sprinkled" and damp, like little kids with not a care in the world.

Who Can Benefit From Water Exercise?

Water exercise can benefit virtually everyone, says Katz. A former Olympian, she teaches fitness and swimming to New York City firefighters and police officers and also has a special fondness for a class for women in their 60s, 70s, and 80s.

Athletes use water to rehabilitate after injury or to cross-train. People with arthritis or other disabilities that can’t perform land exercise use water to improve fitness and range of motion and to relieve pain and stiffness...."

Water Exercise for Osteoarthritis: Water Aerobics and More (http://www.webmd.com/osteoarthritis/features/watery_workout)

[JoMar]

Wow , I can't believe some of the snarky comments, especially at the beginning of this thread. OP was only saying that they wish the pools were not so hot. You shouldn't make fun of someone just because they make a suggestion or comment. I'm sure they didn't mean that the villages had to spend millions of dollars to chill the pools. They probably are questioning the same thing that I am. Does the pool water have to be this hot? And I'm not talking about just now in this heat wave. Is it just the weather and the sun? Or the combination of the heated pool in the summer and the sun and the heat? If I wanted to take a bath or be in hot bath water, I would just stay home and take a bath or get into my hot tub. Out of all the pools in the villages, it sure would be nice if there was one that was refreshing to swim in. And there are at least a few others here in the villages that agree, it seems.

You're right Cassie but I don't believe the heaters are used in the summer.....they are used when temps drop to the 60's and 70's in the cooler months. When you have the heat we experience here nature naturally heats the water. I don't know what chillers cost but I don't know that the District would have the funds budgeted short term. As I posted earlier, I think it would also end up as a PWC project and not a local CDD project. I also agree that there are others that would agree with you, but I also suspect there are others that won't.....kinda like the striping issue. There are users on both sides of the discussion and each side has their opinion of what the priorities should be.

[CassieInVa]

Well I never really thought seriously about chilling the pools or any other drastic changes. It just seems so strange that I've been to the Caribbean, Las Vegas, California and even during hot weather, the pools were not as hot as they are here. How does one account for that?

The one thing that I like to do in really hot weather is take a dip in a nice cool pool . Maybe it's just not possible to do in Florida, regardless of whether the pool is heated or not heated during the summer.

I love it here and there is no other place like it. It doesn't mean that occasionally there isn't something that I would like to change. Not sweating while swimming in the pool would be a welcome change for me.

[sunnyatlast]

Well I never really thought seriously about chilling the pools or any other drastic changes. It just seems so strange that I've been to the Caribbean, Las Vegas, California and even during hot weather, the pools were not as hot as they are here. How does one account for that?

The one thing that I like to do in really hot weather is take a dip in a nice cool pool . Maybe it's just not possible to do in Florida, regardless of whether the pool is heated or not heated during the summer.

I love it here and there is no other place like it. It doesn't mean that occasionally there isn't something that I would like to change. Not sweating while swimming in the pool would be a welcome change for me.

Good post. Don't be intimidated out of here.

PRNewswire

Feb. 20, 2013 -- Glacier Pool Coolers has been the leader in swimming pool chilling systems since their inception in 2003. What started out as a good idea in Houston, Texas has become a thriving business in an economy that has adversely effected many in the swimming pool industry. Glacier's recipe for success over the last 10 years might be defined in just one word; diversify.

Through the years Glacier has seen its fair share of sales in the residential and commercial swimming pool arena. They have been sold through swimming pool distributors, builders, and retailers across the US.

Many commercial clients include resorts like the Westin Kierland Resort and Spa and Talking Stick Resort and Casino in Scottsdale, Arizona, the Waldorf Astoria luxury hotels in Orlando and Key West, Florida, and the Las Ventanas Resort in Los Cabos, Mexico.

Aquatic centers at a number of YMCAs, military bases, and universities like Arizona State in Tempe, AZ , water parks like Wild River Country in Little Rock, AR, and county parks and recreation centers like those in the Ft. Myers, FL area are all enjoying the benefits of Glacier's swimming pool chillers......"


Swimming pool chillers are making a splash in hot markets -- PHOENIX, Feb. 20, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/swimming-pool-chillers-are-making-a-splash-in-hot-markets-192134951.html)

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[graciegirl]

There are those who want an indoor pool when it's cold outside and those who want the water in the pools cooler when it's hot outside. There are those who think the only valid use of pools is to swim laps and those who think they are there for them to walk in.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/indoor-pool-meeting-134711/?highlight=water+temperature+swimming+pool

The online news is conducting a poll of those who want a cover for the Hacienda pool installed and it is running roughly 70% against and 30% for .

There are those who are taking over the non sports pools and conducting water aerobics classes against the rules of the recreation department . https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/water-aerobics-neighborhood-pools-117062/index6.html?highlight=water+arobics

Sometimes we lose grasp of just how nice it is here and become too focused on what WE want and lose the overall picture of an almost perfect, lower paradise.

I still like Dougbee's comment that the water still sticks to us and makes us feel cooler for awhile when we get out.

[graciegirl]

There are those who want an indoor pool, when it's cold outside and those who want the water in the pools cooler when it's hot outside. There are those who think the only valid use of pools is to swim laps and those who think they are there for them to walk in.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/indoor-pool-meeting-134711/?highlight=water+temperature+swimming+pool

The online news is conducting a poll of those who want a cover for the Hacienda pool installed and it is running roughly 70% against and 30% for .

There are those who are taking over the non sports pools and conducting water aerobics classes against the rules of the recreation department . https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/water-aerobics-neighborhood-pools-117062/index6.html?highlight=water+arobics

Sometimes we lose grasp of just how nice it is here and become too focused on what WE want and lose the overall picture of an almost perfect, lower paradise.

I still like Dougbee's comment that the water still sticks to us and makes us feel cooler for awhile when we get out.

And I found the post below on the copied thread about water aerobics. Happydaz. You are a GUY! Was thinking you were a girl.

But Ouch anyway.




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It is so easy to draw out the frequent posters! They are experts on everything, have an opinion on everything, and feel that they are the only ones that have an opinion that is correct. They quote your post and attack each phrase. Who wants to hear from the same people all the time? No wonder many people are gun shy about posting on this site. They are in fear of being attacked. The bullies are not doing aerobics at the neighborhood pools they are the frequent posters on this site!

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[Greg Nelson]

Gracie- The only other site I post on is thunderbirdnest.com. We have over 10,000 members but only a couple hundred posters at most. I know of several members that refrain from posting out of fear of reprisal. I'd guess this is common among groups. I'll be glad that Mulberry is heated come Nov/Dec. :what:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Yes, miserable fits. I go to pools to cool off. Hate to jump in and be almost as hot as I was before I hit the water. That makes me grumpy, headachy and mildly miserable. As to opening fire hydrants, I always thought that was great fun when it occurred. There is poverty everywhere, even here. I can feel bad for these people and I help when I can but that doesn't take away from my feelings of joy, displeasure of downright miserableness. Does it yours?

Your comment reminds me too much of my mother saying to eat everything on my plate because children in China were starving. Like most children, I ultimately suggested my mother send the food to them because I didn't want it.


I guess you and I have different images of miserable. When I hear that word I think of roofers having to work in 100 degree conditions or prisoners working on chain gangs picking up trash on the side of a highway. People in third world countries living in shacks without air conditioning in 90-100 degree temperatures.

I cannot imagine a resident or a beautiful over 55 community being
"miserable" after jumping into one of the community's beautiful pools and finding it a tad warmer than she or he likes.

A bit disappointed perhaps, but it's not what I imagine as "miserable". But, that's just me.

[Happydaz]

Good post. Don't be intimidated out of here.

PRNewswire

Feb. 20, 2013 -- Glacier Pool Coolers has been the leader in swimming pool chilling systems since their inception in 2003. What started out as a good idea in Houston, Texas has become a thriving business in an economy that has adversely effected many in the swimming pool industry. Glacier's recipe for success over the last 10 years might be defined in just one word; diversify.

Through the years Glacier has seen its fair share of sales in the residential and commercial swimming pool arena. They have been sold through swimming pool distributors, builders, and retailers across the US.

Many commercial clients include resorts like the Westin Kierland Resort and Spa and Talking Stick Resort and Casino in Scottsdale, Arizona, the Waldorf Astoria luxury hotels in Orlando and Key West, Florida, and the Las Ventanas Resort in Los Cabos, Mexico.

Aquatic centers at a number of YMCAs, military bases, and universities like Arizona State in Tempe, AZ , water parks like Wild River Country in Little Rock, AR, and county parks and recreation centers like those in the Ft. Myers, FL area are all enjoying the benefits of Glacier's swimming pool chillers......"


Swimming pool chillers are making a splash in hot markets -- PHOENIX, Feb. 20, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/swimming-pool-chillers-are-making-a-splash-in-hot-markets-192134951.html)

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Sunnyatlast good info! Glacier is the company I have been in contact with. If you want the name of the company representative I have spoken to just send me a private message and I will give you his name and contact information. This way if you want to look into getting a chiller for your pool you can get a start by getting accurate data. You mentioned you were looking at a sport pool so that may need a different size unit.

Some other suggestions for others who want to look into their own pools to start by accessing interest and maybe taking daily temperature readings in your pool. The next step could be to write up a petition and list the cost of unit ($6,000 for installation and acquisition of unit for a neighborhood pool) and have people sign with their address and then you could present that to the local governing body. If anyone wants any contact information please don't hesitate to send me a private message. This is a free society we are allowed to put our own ideas and suggestions forward to the general community. If people agree they will accept our proposals. If they don't agree they won't accept them. End of story!

[twoplanekid]

What is the ideal temperature and some things to think about -> What is The Ideal Temperature For a Commercial Swimming Pool? - AquaCal Blog (http://www.aquacal.com/blog/post/183-What-is-The-Ideal-Temperature-For-a-Commercial-Swimming-Pool-)

[golfing eagles]

I'm probably suicidal to jump in on this thread, but.....
You will never make 110,000 Villagers happy. I like my pool water about 82, which is what I set my heater in NY to. My wife likes it closer to 70 and doesn't mind 65. I had a professor in college who would not swim at Jones Beach after the water temp hit 60.
Personally, I think anyone who wants the temp over 90 should just buy a hot tub, and anyone who likes it under 70 should move to Norway. Split the difference, and 80 should make the majority (not all) happy
If chillers are needed to accomplish this, how about a TEMPORARY 1 year assessment (sorry, I used the "a" word) of $3/mo in the amenity fee = 36x 16000 homes=$576,000, which if the $6000 cost is correct = 96 pools. Might have enough left over to provide free SPF 376 sun block as well.
OK, I'll duck for cover now

[K.C.Boyd]

I happen to love the warm water so there is no problem in my opinion I never go in the winter because the water is way too cold for me. Can not please everyone but it works for me and others at the pool I use.

[tuccillo]

The number of houses is actually more like 55,000. I could see something like this for the sports pools since lap swimming in "warm" water is less than ideal.

I'm probably suicidal to jump in on this thread, but.....
You will never make 110,000 Villagers happy. I like my pool water about 82, which is what I set my heater in NY to. My wife likes it closer to 70 and doesn't mind 65. I had a professor in college who would not swim at Jones Beach after the water temp hit 60.
Personally, I think anyone who wants the temp over 90 should just buy a hot tub, and anyone who likes it under 70 should move to Norway. Split the difference, and 80 should make the majority (not all) happy
If chillers are needed to accomplish this, how about a TEMPORARY 1 year assessment (sorry, I used the "a" word) of $3/mo in the amenity fee = 36x 16000 homes=$576,000, which if the $6000 cost is correct = 96 pools. Might have enough left over to provide free SPF 376 sun block as well.
OK, I'll duck for cover now

[golfing eagles]

The number of houses is actually more like 55,000. I could see something like this for the sports pools since lap swimming in "warm" water is less than ideal.

If that's the case, a one time $10 fee would cover it

[sunnyatlast]

Sunnyatlast good info! Glacier is the company I have been in contact with. If you want the name of the company representative I have spoken to just send me a private message and I will give you his name and contact information. This way if you want to look into getting a chiller for your pool you can get a start by getting accurate data. You mentioned you were looking at a sport pool so that may need a different size unit....

...This is a free society we are allowed to put our own ideas and suggestions forward to the general community. If people agree they will accept our proposals. If they don't agree they won't accept them. End of story!

I really wasn't considering campaigning, petitioning or pushing for a particular sport pool to get a chiller or anything unique for a facility I use personally. I don't like that approach (telling the board and dept what to do/buy). I would never write our local school board, for example, and tell them to buy this, not that, HVAC system upgrade. They are the hired/elected professionals with the responsibility of doing feasibility studies and long-term planning for capital improvement and annual operating budgets. Plus I don't know what fiscal capability the board/dept. here have to implement a quick, easy system fix/upgrade if one is found.

I like to present facts when there is doubt and mockery of good people stating what they see and experience here.

I trust the developers, our CDD board reps, and the Rec. Dept. managers like Rohan know what they are doing when I write a letter to them, and when some of us present facts here that bolster our case we make to them....which I don't expect them to have fixed by next week.

I seriously doubt that the board and rec dept. would put any credence on the snide little quips, jokes and condescending insults thrown out here, or if the wise guys were to write that stuff in a letter or rant about how stupid other residents are in a phone call. These managers are professionals, busy with serious work, not kids looking for more taunts to throw out on the playground.

But I do think they would consider future sport pool pump system upgrades or pool heat pumps that reverse and chill, or whatever makes for more energy efficient and comfortable, even-temperature pool water.

After all, these mechanical and HVAC systems don't last forever. And heating from cold extremes in winter, and cooling from hot extremes in summer cost a lot more energy (and corresponding pool chemical costs in summer intense heat) than if even temperature were consistently maintained with more modern technology.

[outlaw]

I'm probably suicidal to jump in on this thread, but.....
You will never make 110,000 Villagers happy. I like my pool water about 82, which is what I set my heater in NY to. My wife likes it closer to 70 and doesn't mind 65. I had a professor in college who would not swim at Jones Beach after the water temp hit 60.
Personally, I think anyone who wants the temp over 90 should just buy a hot tub, and anyone who likes it under 70 should move to Norway. Split the difference, and 80 should make the majority (not all) happy
If chillers are needed to accomplish this, how about a TEMPORARY 1 year assessment (sorry, I used the "a" word) of $3/mo in the amenity fee = 36x 16000 homes=$576,000, which if the $6000 cost is correct = 96 pools. Might have enough left over to provide free SPF 376 sun block as well.
OK, I'll duck for cover now

OMG! That's (65,70) COLD! Even 82 is cool. Was this a typo, or did you mean she likes her "glass" of water 65-70?

[outlaw]

One possible temporary solution is to periodically stand under the poolside shower. The water is usually cooler than the pool water, and is refreshing. Especially if you like to lay around and/or sunbath at the pool. Also, morning is when the pools are cooler; but that's pretty common knowledge.

[NECHFalcon68]

It's all relative to individual experiences. We were used to no-higher-than-76 degrees at the Jersey shore, so when the solar guy told us we would want our pool heated to at least 80, we laughed. What we have learned in the past 3 years is that 84-86 is the ideal temp for us. Some of our friends prefer 88-89.

Unfortunately our pool water has been close to 90-91 the past week...but it doesn't keep us out of it...stand in the sun for a few minutes, it'll feel cool when you get in...

[Happydaz]

I really wasn't considering campaigning, petitioning or pushing for a particular sport pool to get a chiller or anything unique for a facility I use personally. I don't like that approach (telling the board and dept what to do/buy). I would never write our local school board, for example, and tell them to buy this, not that, HVAC system upgrade. They are the hired/elected professionals with the responsibility of doing feasibility studies and long-term planning for capital improvement and annual operating budgets. Plus I don't know what fiscal capability the board/dept. here have to implement a quick, easy system fix/upgrade if one is found.

I like to present facts when there is doubt and mockery of good people stating what they see and experience here.

I trust the developers, our CDD board reps, and the Rec. Dept. managers like Rohan know what they are doing when I write a letter to them, and when some of us present facts here that bolster our case we make to them....which I don't expect them to have fixed by next week.

I seriously doubt that the board and rec dept. would put any credence on the snide little quips, jokes and condescending insults thrown out here, or if the wise guys were to write that stuff in a letter or rant about how stupid other residents are in a phone call. These managers are professionals, busy with serious work, not kids looking for more taunts to throw out on the playground.

But I do think they would consider future sport pool pump system upgrades or pool heat pumps that reverse and chill, or whatever makes for more energy efficient and comfortable, even-temperature pool water.

After all, these mechanical and HVAC systems don't last forever. And heating from cold extremes in winter, and cooling from hot extremes in summer cost a lot more energy (and corresponding pool chemical costs in summer intense heat) than if even temperature were consistently maintained with more modern technology.

Excellent points. Your idea of writing a letter is a good one. Maybe when they go to replace a pool heater they might install a heat pump that could cool a pool as well. Another suggestion might be to present some options to a local CDD for one particular pool as an experiment. I can see now that they will be the best judge of what needs to be done. It is always good to look at all the options before making a decision.

[Average Guy]

I'm probably suicidal to jump in on this thread, but.....
You will never make 110,000 Villagers happy. I like my pool water about 82, which is what I set my heater in NY to. My wife likes it closer to 70 and doesn't mind 65. I had a professor in college who would not swim at Jones Beach after the water temp hit 60.
Personally, I think anyone who wants the temp over 90 should just buy a hot tub, and anyone who likes it under 70 should move to Norway. Split the difference, and 80 should make the majority (not all) happy
If chillers are needed to accomplish this, how about a TEMPORARY 1 year assessment (sorry, I used the "a" word) of $3/mo in the amenity fee = 36x 16000 homes=$576,000, which if the $6000 cost is correct = 96 pools. Might have enough left over to provide free SPF 376 sun block as well.
OK, I'll duck for cover now

I did not know that special assessments were possible. It would defeat the purpose of capping the annual percentage increase in our amenity fees based on the CPI if additional assessments could be made during the year.

[perrjojo]

Please don't cool my pool water. I like it just the way it is

[Average Guy]

Many of the people who are posting on this subject don't even use the pools. Some even have their own pools and don't use the neighborhood or sports pools. Anyone who has been in the Villages pools the past few weeks knows the water is too hot. It is definitely over 90 degrees. I wish all the jokesters and people who comment on everything would try looking at this issue seriously. We swimmers who use our local pools every day know how hot the water is.

I remember my father saying he would never get a car with air conditioning as you can open up those little vent windows in the car and direct air to the people inside. Cars don't even have vent windows anymore!

Don't fight progress. We could buy eight chillers and run them for two years for the $50,000 one CCD District is paying for the cut down oak trees! Why not spend the same amount of money and benefit eight village pools?

Off topic, but the $50,000 for the tree cutting is not being pad by just one CDD. That cost is being shared by all CDDs south of 466.

[sunnyatlast]

All this conjecture about who's going to increase our amenities fees or whatever grim reaper picture some want to paint!

Write to the District and Recreation Dept. at the contacts at districtgov.org .

Then trust that they will evaluate and decide future maintenance and system efficiency and comfort changes the way they have successfully done for decades.

Instead of trying to be a chief when there are too many Indians, or to be a cook with too many already stirring the stew, contact the decision makers to report what you see and experience, and might have learned here that forms a clearer picture of need.

[simpkinp]

Pool water this warm in June is unusual. In winter we complain it is not warm enough. If you don't like it, do something else. The costs are prohibitive to change the temps of nearly 100 pools. I am getting used to it. I just enjoy exercising at the pool and chatting with the neighbors while I do it. I go early.

[sunnyatlast]

Pool water this warm in June is unusual. In winter we complain it is not warm enough. If you don't like it, do something else. The costs are prohibitive to change the temps of nearly 100 pools. I am getting used to it. I just enjoy exercising at the pool and chatting with the neighbors while I do it. I go early.

Leisure pool use and chatting is not what sport pool use is.

And the regional sport pools serve everyone.

No need to conjecture about "100 pools", especially since "all" TV pools actually number fewer than that.

And there are only 8 regional sport pools as listed here:

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/PdfView/PdfView.aspx?path='/PdfUpload/Sports%20Pool%20Spring-Summer%202015%20Updated%206-18-19.pdf'&ql=standard)

[Jaggy]

Wow, this is turning into a weird thread.. Someone likes the pools and then someone else corrects her?? Just enjoy living in The Villages and chill out people !!! I am always amazed how we turn against each other on here.. oh by the way, try Facebook page for The Villages.. people lose their minds on there..

[gerryann]

Wow, this is turning into a weird thread.. Someone likes the pools and then someone else corrects her?? Just enjoy living in The Villages and chill out people !!! I am always amazed how we turn against each other on here.. oh by the way, try Facebook page for The Villages.. people lose their minds on there..

But Jaggy......we can't chill out...the pools too hot!! :22yikes:

[Love2Swim]

...If people are going to flock to the pools with the chillers then that shows how large the need is.

I agree. I would guess that the majority of people that are concerned about the pool temperatures are those swim a lot of laps or do a heavy aerobic workout. The developer has done a wonderful job anticipating the needs of the Villages residents, but there have been a things that have changed as time went on, and more people moved here. They are able to be flexible and add things as needed. I'm thinking of the recreational trails (they are wider now), sand volleyball courts up by Seabreeze, and so on. I think pool chillers for some of the sport pools would fall into that category. When you look at what they've had to pay for that tree cutting incident in Bridgeport, how many pool chillers would that have funded? I know people that drive to Clermont and Gainesville to use their chilled pools. Certainly The Villages can up their game. Laurel Manor is a really central sport pool. Put a cover over it and some chillers.

[perrjojo]

I have nothing against cooling SOME pools but I still say; this is Florida. The pools are warm in summer. The lakes are warm in summer. The ocean is warm in summer. Most of us moved here because.....IT IS WARM all year. I don't think anyone is "turning against" anyone else. We are all just expressing our personal preference.

[tomwed]

What about installing lunar panels? This is a system where the water is circulated to the roof where the lunar panel is and cooled down by the moon at night.

[Jaggy]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:What about installing lunar panels? This is a system where the water is circulated to the roof where the lunar panel is and cooled down by the moon at night.

[T-325]

LOL but what Tom suggests is true. Run your solar pool panels at night and they will cool your pool down. Just like running them during the day heats the pool up,

[DigitalGranny]

In my working days ( glad they are over!), I made several business trips to Phoenix in summer (not by choice!). I noticed that the hotel put floating fountains into the pool at night and just used the filter motor to spray the water up into the air and night cooling it and making a pretty water feature. It worked well. When it's 115 degrees during the day, the water gets warm!

[Greg Nelson]

Here in Minnesota our pool is kept at 83F. We have had a pool cover to save on cool nights, but were just told that they are now illegal. Apparently someone somewhere drowned under one. Having the cover on saved close to 70% on propane bills. But whats interesting to me is all this talk is weather dependent. Of course weather is the most we talk about, the least we can do anything about....ENJOY!

[graciegirl]

Here in Minnesota our pool is kept at 83F. We have had a pool cover to save on cool nights, but were just told that they are now illegal. Apparently someone somewhere drowned under one. Having the cover on saved close to 70% on propane bills. But whats interesting to me is all this talk is weather dependent. Of course weather is the most we talk about, the least we can do anything about....ENJOY!



I am glad I am old-er. I exercise gently in the warm water and love it. I hate cold water and cold water to me is 82 degrees.

[sunnyatlast]

Here in Minnesota our pool is kept at 83F. We have had a pool cover to save on cool nights, but were just told that they are now illegal. Apparently someone somewhere drowned under one.
Having the cover on saved close to 70% on propane bills. But whats interesting to me is all this talk is weather dependent. Of course weather is the most we talk about, the least we can do anything about....ENJOY!

Ahh, but there is something you were able to do about the weather affecting your pool temp.....

.....which was the pool cover and the propane pool heater.

Because you had the will to find out about solutions at feasible cost, and to do something about it.....

....to make it more ENJOYable.

[Barefoot]

I hate cold water and cold water to me is 82 degrees.
.... you had the will to find out about solutions at feasible cost, and to do something about it..... ....to make it more ENJOYable.I guess what it comes down to is this -- residents have very different ideas of what is enjoyable.
If they were to cover one central sports pool and chill the water, others might hate it!
And if they liked it, they would probably complain that it should be located closer to their house.

[tomwed]

LOL but what Tom suggests is true. Run your solar pool panels at night and they will cool your pool down. Just like running them during the day heats the pool up,
Honest to goodness, I was just being silly. Are you being silly too or does that actually work?
BTW Did you know that the word gullible is not in the dictionary?

[sunnyatlast]

I guess what it comes down to is this -- residents have very different ideas of what is enjoyable.
If they were to cover one central sports pool and chill the water, others might hate it!
And if they liked it, they would probably complain that it should be located closer to their house.


The goal would not be to "chill" the water to make it "chilly", but to keep the water temp consistent around the usual 84.

The heat pumps that reverse to do both heating and cooling are to maintain consistent temperature which is both comfortable and saves energy costs.

That or another technology could replace current heaters when they wear out.

[Barefoot]

Post deleted.
It's silly to keep debating the same points.

[Bogie Shooter]

It only took 107 posts to figure that out!

[graciegirl]

It only took 107 posts to figure that out!



I got it right away.


If Y'all want to talk to the experts about it, call T and D pools. I bet they have installed more swimming pools than anyone in this country.

[sunnyatlast]

It only took 107 posts to figure that out!

LOL.....and you're still reading.....!! :wave: :wave:

[sunnyatlast]

I got it right away.


If Y'all want to talk to the experts about it, call T and D pools. I bet they have installed more swimming pools than anyone in this country.

That's why some of us wrote respectful, inquiring letters to the Rec. Dept. and District--before this thread even appeared--to ask if they could look at solutions, since TV is T & D Pools' biggest customer.......

And we didn't order the Rec Dept./District to buy something with an amenities fee increase as is accused, either. Some of us "asked", and didn't dictate.

Just so ya know. We're not The Enemy. We're fellow residents of TV.

[maybe]

I have only been to a few pools, but even last summer I never found one to be too warm to enjoy swimming. Getting out periodically without drying off with a towel will cool you down some, especially in the shade under a fan, even on a hot day.

Warmer water does require tougher efforts to kill bacteria. Has anyone stuck a thermometer in to see the actual temperature? In an era in which we want to reduce energy use, it does seem self-indulgent to cool a swimming pool.

[Love2Swim]

There are always going to be people who like it hot, and those who like it colder. Standard completive swimming pools are set right around 80 degrees. Thats for swimmers who do a serious aerobic workout which could easily be about 140 lengths of the sport pool per session, to put it in perspective. You can't imagine how it feels to do that type of workout in bathwater. The pools right now are average about 90 degrees. Its unhealthy to say the least. For those that want a gentle splashing around, there are tons of neighborhood pools to choose from which would not be chilled. The sports pools are supposed to be for the more serious athletes. It would be nice to have at least one pool in the Villages that was cooled to a reasonable degree. If people wanted to swim in hot water they would have many pools to choose from. Those who need cooler water for proper aerobic training would at least have one option, other than leaving the Villages and swimming in Gainesville.

[Lynn222]

We are new to TV [ 6 months ] and enjoy the fact that pool water is heated in winter months for our enjoyment, however during this time of year the water is so warm and no longer refreshing that we don't even go to pool unless there was a very rain the night before to cool water temps. I an sure this subject has been hashed and re-hashed, but there must be a way to solve this problem. We all pay for use of pools / facilities so why not make them enjoyable ?

Why don't you come up with a solution instead of just an interesting complaint.

[Barefoot]

Just so ya know. We're not The Enemy. We're fellow residents of TV.

Also not The Enemy -- those residents who want to reduce energy costs and enjoy the pools the way they are.

[graciegirl]

That's why some of us wrote respectful, inquiring letters to the Rec. Dept. and District--before this thread even appeared--to ask if they could look at solutions, since TV is T & D Pools' biggest customer.......

And we didn't order the Rec Dept./District to buy something with an amenities fee increase as is accused, either. Some of us "asked", and didn't dictate.

Just so ya know. We're not The Enemy. We're fellow residents of TV.



I was just suggesting that T and D would know about the technology. My very brief Google searches made me think that Glacier Pool in Arizona isn't very big and that their technology is blowing air on the water as it is pumped through in order to cause heat transfer, probably more efficient in areas like Arizona where the air is less humid. They also say that they can "accommodate" salt water pools, but the pump will need to be "washed off" every "couple of weeks. They have a one year warranty on their many sized pumps.


That made me wonder....hmmm. I hadn't heard of pool cooling and I am old but I do try to keep current. I like to understand the "science" of things. Perhaps someone here can explain how you cool a pool other than to blow air with a fan on the circulating water.

After having T and D in our yard the last couple of months installing a pool, I am in awe of their expertise and their high standards and would think they would know about pool cooling.

[outlaw]

Those interested in cooling a villages pool should visit the Chatham pool. They have rooftop solar heating panels to heat their pool, and I'm pretty sure they have a controller that can be easily set to cool the pool. If they are not cooling the pool, they may be willing to try it and see how effective it is and how their customers like it. It would be minimal cost only requiring a little electricity to run the pool filtration pump.

[looneycat]

maybe god can cool the pool, posting here won't.
:shocked:

[sunnyatlast]

I was just suggesting that T and D would know about the technology. My very brief Google searches made me think that Glacier Pool in Arizona isn't very big and that their technology is blowing air on the water as it is pumped through in order to cause heat transfer, probably more efficient in areas like Arizona where the air is less humid. They also say that they can "accommodate" salt water pools, but the pump will need to be "washed off" every "couple of weeks. They have a one year warranty on their many sized pumps.

That made me wonder....hmmm. I hadn't heard of pool cooling and I am old but I do try to keep current. I like to understand the "science" of things. Perhaps someone here can explain how you cool a pool other than to blow air with a fan on the circulating water.

After having T and D in our yard the last couple of months installing a pool, I am in awe of their expertise and their high standards and would think they would know about pool cooling.

As I wrote here before, and after the very first link that showed mist systems along with other links and discussion later on commercial pool heat pump systems that reverse AND cool, the intent was not to tell the Rec. Dept. and District what they ought to buy, from whom, with whose accused demand for amenities fee increase to finance cooling, nor anything like that.

Again, here are various major manufacturer rep catalog pages online, that are ALL classified under heat pumps that reverse and cool.

Pool Heat Pumps and Chillers | PoolSupplyUnlimited.com (http://www.poolsupplyunlimited.com/heat-pumps-coolers/28c1)

The second link I'll put is a specific example of one of many commercial Heat & Cool Pumps......

https://www.poolsupplyunlimited.com/raypak-170k-btu-commercial-heat-andamp;-cool-pump-ps10353ti-e-hc-013734/140360p1

And, to correct what was misrepresented about info I posted before, which cites usage of these Heat & Cool commercial pumps in Orlando, Ft. Myers, and KEY WEST which are equally or more "humid" than here....Here is that industry news page again.

Swimming pool chillers are making a splash in hot markets -- PHOENIX, Feb. 20, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/swimming-pool-chillers-are-making-a-splash-in-hot-markets-192134951.html)

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[Bogie Shooter]

maybe god can cool the pool, posting here won't.
:shocked:

:clap2:

[tuccillo]

You use a heatpump, which has a refrigerant loop, with a heat exchanger to the pool water. Heatpumps can work in both directions. The "hot" side is after the compressor and the "cold" side is after the expansion valve. If you want to cool the water, the heat exchanger to the pool water will be on the "cold" side and the "hot" side will release the heat to the outside air. Reverse the situation and the heat exchanger will be provided heat on the "hot" side and remove heat from the outside air on the "cold" side.


I was just suggesting that T and D would know about the technology. My very brief Google searches made me think that Glacier Pool in Arizona isn't very big and that their technology is blowing air on the water as it is pumped through in order to cause heat transfer, probably more efficient in areas like Arizona where the air is less humid. They also say that they can "accommodate" salt water pools, but the pump will need to be "washed off" every "couple of weeks. They have a one year warranty on their many sized pumps.


That made me wonder....hmmm. I hadn't heard of pool cooling and I am old but I do try to keep current. I like to understand the "science" of things. Perhaps someone here can explain how you cool a pool other than to blow air with a fan on the circulating water.

After having T and D in our yard the last couple of months installing a pool, I am in awe of their expertise and their high standards and would think they would know about pool cooling.

[tuccillo]

I couldn't agree more. In the middle of the summer, the best time to swim laps is after a heavy rainfall as the pool temperature drops. The ability to reduce the temperature of the lap swimming pools would be most welcome.

There are always going to be people who like it hot, and those who like it colder. Standard completive swimming pools are set right around 80 degrees. Thats for swimmers who do a serious aerobic workout which could easily be about 140 lengths of the sport pool per session, to put it in perspective. You can't imagine how it feels to do that type of workout in bathwater. The pools right now are average about 90 degrees. Its unhealthy to say the least. For those that want a gentle splashing around, there are tons of neighborhood pools to choose from which would not be chilled. The sports pools are supposed to be for the more serious athletes. It would be nice to have at least one pool in the Villages that was cooled to a reasonable degree. If people wanted to swim in hot water they would have many pools to choose from. Those who need cooler water for proper aerobic training would at least have one option, other than leaving the Villages and swimming in Gainesville.

[Happydaz]

As I wrote here before, and after the very first link that showed mist systems along with other links and discussion later on commercial pool heat pump systems that reverse AND cool, the intent was not to tell the Rec. Dept. and District what they ought to buy, from whom, with whose accused demand for amenities fee increase to finance cooling, nor anything like that.

Again, here are various major manufacturer rep catalog pages online, that are ALL classified under heat pumps that reverse and cool.

Pool Heat Pumps and Chillers | PoolSupplyUnlimited.com (http://www.poolsupplyunlimited.com/heat-pumps-coolers/28c1)

The second link I'll put is a specific example of one of many commercial Heat & Cool Pumps......

https://www.poolsupplyunlimited.com/raypak-170k-btu-commercial-heat-andamp;-cool-pump-ps10353ti-e-hc-013734/140360p1

And, to correct what was misrepresented about info I posted before, which cites usage of these Heat & Cool commercial pumps in Orlando, Ft. Myers, and KEY WEST which are equally or more "humid" than here....Here is that industry news page again.

Swimming pool chillers are making a splash in hot markets -- PHOENIX, Feb. 20, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/swimming-pool-chillers-are-making-a-splash-in-hot-markets-192134951.html)

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Thank you for posting these links. When I started out looking at this issue I didn't realize how complex and technical it was. I wasn't aware of heat pumps that could both heat and cool pools. They seem like a great idea, similar to how we heat and cool our houses. I am glad that this issue has been discussed here on TOTV. I would never have thought of some of these options plus how to move ahead in communicating with the local governing bodies.

[Bogie Shooter]

By the time the governing bodies get around to discussing this topic the pool water will be cool once again. :throwtomatoes:

[Yung Dum]

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the pool.

[sunnyatlast]

By the time the governing bodies get around to discussing this topic the pool water will be cool once again. :throwtomatoes:

Some of us like it that the governing bodies think ahead and gather information and plan for future replacement of older-technology pool heaters and pumps, by learning about newer/greener systems that would maintain the even normal pool water temperature, instead of fighting the extremes, like the high water temps that go on for the next three months, regardless of an unusual week like we just had.

[graciegirl]

I can't see how this would be green. I am not a greenie, but I think sometimes we just can't get in a group, or use the facilities or it is too hot or too cold to do something. I have yet to get into a clay class.

But...there are other things to do. Sometimes we just have to adapt or wait a few days, or do cross training.

[outlaw]

One thing for danged sure, cooling a pool is NOT green.

Actually ,using a rooftop solar heat exchanger is considered green. It will heat your water in the winter for much less cost than either gas or heat pump, and it will cool your pool in the summer by running your filter pump at night.

[graciegirl]

I'm done on this thread. It is too hot for sure. We are all inside arguing about dumb stuff.

[Barefoot]

John W posted on the Indoor Pool thread about a new Fitness Club that will offer a 60 foot indoor swimming pool.
I assume it will be heated or cooled appropriately.
For only $19.95 per month per member, it might offer an alternative for the hot summer months.

[john1953]

After our recent brief showers I can tell you that the water in our private pool is nice and refreshing again.I`ll even go as far as saying at first its a tad chilly when you get in.I can count on one hand the times where the water is NOT enjoyable.

[Cateca]

i have a solar heated home pool. Come summer I turn the solar-heated water valve to off, so that the heated water is diverted and does not go into my pool. Do the family and neighborhood pools lack this option? I suggest you ask the Rec. Center's manager. 🏊 🏊

[Bogie Shooter]

Too simple of a suggestion..............................