Isis on the move

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While our country is celebrating a man can now marry a man, woman to woman Isis is celebrating ramadad by beheading, mass murders etc One beheading in France , head put on display on fence, and a blowing up of American plant etc , another of at least 30 on a resort beach and I believe two more incidences (not sure where yet). Also suicide bomber walked into mosque and blew himself up with those on floor praying. Sorry I do not have all facts yet but its difficult to find the real news with the press and Obama more concerned with gay rights. Maybe someone else will be able to obtain the information and fill us in. Must be chatter between the terrorists to kill during their holiday. But not to worry, Obama to speak on this historical day and then attend the funeral for the black pastor who was killed. Hmm. Wonder if the pastor had been white, killed by a black or black Muslim he would attend.

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While our country is celebrating a man can now marry a man, woman to woman Isis is celebrating ramadad by beheading, mass murders etc One beheading in France , head put on display on fence, and a blowing up of American plant etc , another of at least 30 on a resort beach and I believe two more incidences (not sure where yet). Also suicide bomber walked into mosque and blew himself up with those on floor praying. Sorry I do not have all facts yet but its difficult to find the real news with the press and Obama more concerned with gay rights. Maybe someone else will be able to obtain the information and fill us in. Must be chatter between the terrorists to kill during their holiday. But not to worry, Obama to speak on this historical day and then attend the funeral for the black pastor who was killed. Hmm. Wonder if the pastor had been white, killed by a black or black Muslim he would attend.

Unfortunately I am never surprised at The level of bigotry and nastiness not to mention the sheer ignorance of right wing posts.

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Unfortunately I am never surprised at The level of bigotry and nastiness not to mention the sheer ignorance of right wing posts.

Since all they pay attention to for their "News" is fox, Limbaugh and Beck, they are astonished to find that the majority of people don't see the world in the distorted way that they do.

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Since all they pay attention to for their "News" is fox, Limbaugh and Beck, they are astonished to find that the majority of people don't see the world in the distorted way that they do.

Seriously?!? Do you read/listen to ANY news except what you WANT to see or hear? Check out something as simple as msn.com if you want to know what the OP is talking about - real world events that could affect all of us - just give it time and continued complacency and diversion to less serious matters like many in this country seem to dwell on these days.

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Since all they pay attention to for their "News" is fox, Limbaugh and Beck, they are astonished to find that the majority of people don't see the world in the distorted way that they do.

And of course the only undistorted way is yours.

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And of course the only undistorted way is yours.

Well it appears the Supreme Court, the majority of Americans, and a majority of the free world see it the same way I do.

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Well it appears the Supreme Court, the majority of Americans, and a majority of the free world see it the same way I do.

The Supreme Court apparently. The majority of Americans and the majority of the free world is much more questionable.

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Well it appears the Supreme Court, the majority of Americans, and a majority of the free world see it the same way I do.

It depends on who is taking the poll.

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How do the liberals think? Do you ignore what Isis has just done? Do you "pretend" they didn't just behead someone once again in France?? How do you do it? I consider myself a very compassionate person and what they are doing bothers me tremendously. Gay rights at bottom of my priority list of importance. People being killed by these Savage's is extremely important as they move into U.S. would like a liberal to explain? For the life of me, I have no idea how you bury your head in the sand? Explain ?

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How do the liberals think? Do you ignore what Isis has just done? Do you "pretend" they didn't just behead someone once again in France?? How do you do it? I consider myself a very compassionate person and what they are doing bothers me tremendously. Gay rights at bottom of my priority list of importance. People being killed by these Savage's is extremely important as they move into U.S. would like a liberal to explain? For the life of me, I have no idea how you bury your head in the sand? Explain ?

So I have my head in the sand? I think your head is somewhere else. ISIS/ISIL/Islamic State, is a threat to humanity and a perversion of a religion, but I, myself, have no earthly idea how we effectively neutralize or defeat them. In my opinion we cannot afford, financially or in terms of lives, to get into any kind of conventional war with them. Are you willing to risk your grandchildren's lives to bet we can win such a war? Of corse you are not, but since now we can count on an all volunteer army, you are willing to risk other people's grandchildren to do the dirty work, just as most of the warmongering republicans in the Bush administration, as well as the tough guys on this board did in Vietnam. What are YOU willing to do to fight ISIL?
As for Gay marriage, I am not directly affected in any way, though I personally know at least three couples who have taken advantage of the opportunity in their states and seem to be living very productive and positive lives. I am also not affected by AHCA, but know there are many people who have positively benefited, as well as some who have been adversely affected. If the republicans had spent half the energy to fix the problems in the AHCA instead of their Quixotic monumental waste of time, and taxpayers money to defeat it, largely out of their hatred for the President, we probably would have a much better situation than we now have. Remember, the basis of the AHCA was a conservative concept and the final bill had a TON of compromise between parties. Had the democrats had their way we would have a single payer system such as seems to work very well in Canada and Scandanavia, among other places.

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You are correct my head is on something else like how to defeat the enemy. I have an earthly idea. We put ground troops in and wipe the scum off the face of the earth. This way we can sleep at night knowing our kids and grandkids have a future. Otherwise you pray your kids aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time. In what world do you live where it is acceptable to rape, torture, kill, behead, burn, drown innocent people while filming it? We have the best military in the world sitting around because the Liar-in-chief isn't capable of making a decision

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You are correct my head is on something else like how to defeat the enemy. I have an earthly idea. We put ground troops in and wipe the scum off the face of the earth. This way we can sleep at night knowing our kids and grandkids have a future. Otherwise you pray your kids aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time. In what world do you live where it is acceptable to rape, torture, kill, behead, burn, drown innocent people while filming it? We have the best military in the world sitting around because the Liar-in-chief isn't capable of making a decision

You are so wrong on so many levels. "Put ground troops in and wipe the scum off the face of the earth. This way we can sleep at night knowing our kids and grandkids have a future". How about the thousands of kids and grandkids who give their lives in this ground battle? Sounds easy, just put boots on the ground and wipe the scum out - like we did in Vietnam? You're correct, I pray my kids are not in the wrong place at the wrong time and I can think of no more wrong place than in the Middle East fighting ISIS. I LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE THE ATROCITIES YOU DESCRIBE ARE ABHORRENT, AND. EVIL. I also live in a world where you have to understand what you can and cannot control. Are you really so naive as to believe the battle with ISIL is so simple as sending in the marines? Thank God you are nowhere near the decision making ability.

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Since all they pay attention to for their "News" is fox, Limbaugh and Beck, they are astonished to find that the majority of people don't see the world in the distorted way that they do.

BS!

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:censored: arm chair generals armed with a keyboard and remote for experience
making worldly (you think) military commentary.....so ridiculous it is truly a joke :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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BS!

Best statement?

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You are so wrong on so many levels. "Put ground troops in and wipe the scum off the face of the earth. This way we can sleep at night knowing our kids and grandkids have a future". How about the thousands of kids and grandkids who give their lives in this ground battle? Sounds easy, just put boots on the ground and wipe the scum out - like we did in Vietnam? You're correct, I pray my kids are not in the wrong place at the wrong time and I can think of no more wrong place than in the Middle East fighting ISIS. I LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE THE ATROCITIES YOU DESCRIBE ARE ABHORRENT, AND. EVIL. I also live in a world where you have to understand what you can and cannot control. Are you really so naive as to believe the battle with ISIL is so simple as sending in the marines? Thank God you are nowhere near the decision making ability.

Right. Better we sit back, do nothing and watch as they continue to kill and behead people. Sounds like a plan

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Right. Better we sit back, do nothing and watch as they continue to kill and behead people. Sounds like a plan

That's right, we need battle hardened veterans who have been on the front lines and who won't take any guff. Men like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. Best personal regards:

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That's right, we need battle hardened veterans who have been on the front lines and who won't take any guff. Men like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. Best personal regards:

You mean we have real men left? Please let me know where? I do so have a soft spot for a real man, especially one who can make a decision. Oh the good ole days when men were Men

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You mean we have real men left? Please let me know where? I do so have a soft spot for a real man, especially one who can make a decision. Oh the good ole days when men were Men

A-men to that sister!! :BigApplause:

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A-men to that sister!! :BigApplause:

Hey soul sister We should have a night out together and check out the real men. Maybe we can hit the military club, the gun club and probably even the softball fields. I do love those macho macho men

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You mean we have real men left? Please let me know where? I do so have a soft spot for a real man, especially one who can make a decision. Oh the good ole days when men were Men

Yeah those tough guys like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld! How may combined confirmed kills did they have in Vietnam again? Real men, who are not afraid to send others children and grandchildren into battle, and well, if some of them get killed that's just the price we pay for democracy. How many of their children and grandchildren paid the ultimate price in Iraq and Afghanistan again? Oh well, most of our volunteer troops are from poor and/or black families. They are expendable.

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That's correct. We do have a volunteer military consisting of brave men and women who Want to wipe Isis off the face of the earth. Volunteer and geez our hero , the American sniper, don't recall him coming from a poor black family. Hmm. Thank God we do have so many brave men out there volunteering to serve. When exactly do you think we should kill them? When they start beheading in the U.S.?

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Bush left ground troops there to train their army and then when Obama took office he promised to remove all combat troops from Iraq and that plus Obama not crossing the red line statement is the direct of Isis today. Another good job by obama

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That's correct. We do have a volunteer military consisting of brave men and women who Want to wipe Isis off the face of the earth. Almost everyone would want to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth, it is simply a matter of coming up with the best strategy to do so without overly risking lives of these military personnel.Volunteer and geez our hero , the American sniper, Kyle was good at what he diddon't recall him coming from a poor black family. The post you responded to said MOST, not all are poor and/or black - reading comprehension. Hmm. Thank God we do have so many brave men and women, your prejudice is showing. out there volunteering to serve. When exactly do you think we should kill them? When they start beheading in the U.S.? Hopefully that never happens, especially in a prayer group at a church.

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Bush left ground troops there to train their army and then when Obama took office he promised to remove all combat troops from Iraq and that plus Obama not crossing the red line statement is the direct of Isis today. Another good job by obama


How many years has the US been training Iraqi troops, 12 or 13? Remember, "when the Iraqi army steps up, we'll step down"? How many times did we hear that mantra? Yet every time the Iraqi army gets a chance to step up, they strip off their uniforms and hightail it out of there.

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Sorry - definitely off topic, but when you sign-off in this manner it seems offensive to me and I don't want to take it the wrong way if you mean it differently. I know that this is the customary sign-off of a gentleman that to me seems to be a kind and thoughtful poster. Could you please explain your intentions for doing this? I hope it is not to mock or try to confuse others on this forum, but I can't for the life of me think of any other reason. Please prove me wrong in my assumptions by your reply.

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How many years has the US been training Iraqi troops, 12 or 13? Remember, "when the Iraqi army steps up, we'll step down"? How many times did we hear that mantra? Yet every time the Iraqi army gets a chance to step up, they strip off their uniforms and hightail it out of there.

And as they run off like scared rabbits they leave their weaponry to whoever wants it first. What a waste of time and resources that training was. It was futile from the get go.

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And as they run off like scared rabbits they leave their weaponry to whoever wants it first. What a waste of time and resources that training was. It was futile from the get go.

It was not futile from the get go as proven by how well they performed under the direction of American troops and advisors.

The obvious overlooked cause is that it was more important for Obama to pull the troops out to make a date than to assure success. There could have easily been a decision made to keep enough support there to assure continued success.

Shows lack of executive capability and displays in spades the political mind set.
As a result ISIS was given a free pass.

No. Do not blame the past and it's objectives. LAy the blame at the feet of the incompetent military understanding of the Commander in Chief....IN NAME ONLY.....not performance of duty.

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It was not futile from the get go as proven by how well they performed under the direction of American troops and advisors.

The obvious overlooked cause is that it was more important for Obama to pull the troops out to make a date than to assure success. There could have easily been a decision made to keep enough support there to assure continued success.

Shows lack of executive capability and displays in spades the political mind set.
As a result ISIS was given a free pass.

No. Do not blame the past and it's objectives. LAy the blame at the feet of the incompetent military understanding of the Commander in Chief....IN NAME ONLY.....not performance of duty.


Here's a little insight from National Review:

"It was disturbing — if not genuinely surprising — when earlier this year large portions of the Iraqi*army fled in the face of the advance of the Islamic State, allowing the group to take over large swaths of territory across the country’s northern half. Well, if you were wondering how hundreds of thousands of American-trained and -equipped troops can turn out to be so ineffective, one explanation is that 50,000 of them didn’t exist. Loveday Morris of the Washington Post: The Iraqi army has been paying salaries to at least 50,000 soldiers who don’t exist, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said Sunday, an indication of the level of corruption that permeates an institution that the United States has spent billions equipping and arming. . . ."


BTW this has been going for a long time, years. I'll stick with futile.

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Here's a little insight from National Review:

"It was disturbing — if not genuinely surprising — when earlier this year large portions of the Iraqi*army fled in the face of the advance of the Islamic State, allowing the group to take over large swaths of territory across the country’s northern half. Well, if you were wondering how hundreds of thousands of American-trained and -equipped troops can turn out to be so ineffective, one explanation is that 50,000 of them didn’t exist. Loveday Morris of the Washington Post: The Iraqi army has been paying salaries to at least 50,000 soldiers who don’t exist, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said Sunday, an indication of the level of corruption that permeates an institution that the United States has spent billions equipping and arming. . . ."


BTW this has been going for a long time, years. I'll stick with futile.

No problem.
I will stick with what I have been told by vets who did in fact train the ones who existed. And who will be the first to state we pulled out the support too soon.

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For what it might be worth........

"The United States has blocked attempts by its Middle East allies to fly heavy weapons directly to the Kurds fighting Islamic State jihadists in Iraq, The Telegraph has learnt.
Some of America’s closest allies say President Barack Obama and other Western leaders, including David Cameron, are failing to show strategic leadership over the world’s gravest security crisis for decades.
They now say they are willing to “go it alone” in supplying heavy weapons to the Kurds, even if means defying the Iraqi authorities and their American backers, who demand all weapons be channelled through Baghdad.
High level officials from Gulf and other states have told this newspaper that all attempts to persuade Mr Obama of the need to arm the Kurds directly as part of more vigorous plans to take on Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) have failed. The Senate voted down one attempt by supporters of the Kurdish cause last month.
The officials say they are looking at new ways to take the fight to Isil without seeking US approval."

"The US has also infuriated its allies, particularly Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf states, by what they perceive to be a lack of clear purpose and vacillation in how they conduct the bombing campaign. Other members of the coalition say they have identified clear Isil targets but then been blocked by US veto from firing at them.
“There is simply no strategic approach,” one senior Gulf official said. “There is a lack of coordination in selecting targets, and there is no overall plan for defeating Isil.”
Western leaders increasingly accept that the “war on Isil” has not gone well, from the moment last year Mr Obama called the group a “JV [junior varsity] team” of jihadists compared with al-Qaeda. At that point, Isil had seized Fallujah, which US forces took in a bloody battle in 2004. It went on to take much of western Iraq and large areas of Syria, and in May took Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province."

US blocks attempts by Arab allies to fly heavy weapons directly to Kurds to fight Islamic State - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11712237/US-blocks-attempts-by-Arab-allies-to-fly-heavy-weapons-directly-to-Kurds-to-fight-Islamic-State.html)

I know the Telegraph has a bit of a rep, but this seems to be accurate. If you check the background, it appears to be valid all the way.

WHY is this not even in the US news ? What is going on ? What coalition ?

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If the countries in the region refuse to contribute ground forces to fight ISIS why should the US or others? It is much more of a threat to them than to the USA.

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If the countries in the region refuse to contribute ground forces to fight ISIS why should the US or others? It is much more of a threat to them than to the USA.

So their success in in exporting their kind into the USA along with the home grown wackos here sworn to kill us is to be allowed to grow and nurture and carry out the uninterrupted ISIS objective is........OK to continue?
Not in the opinion of those of who do not think we should wait till they kill our family friends and neighbors.

We can see what sticking our heads in the sand has created in the Middle East.
They ALL need to be made to fear us and that will not happen with Obama in office.