Can this really happen? I suppose it CAN.

[sunnsnow]

A single friend of mine renting a home in The Villages placed another friend WHO DOES NOT live in The Villages on record as being in the home. The outside friend received a Villages ID card and used it to play various games in the recreation centers. She also used the ID card to do water aerobics in the sports pool. This has been going on for a couple of years with no problem to either party.
However, recently, somehow the department in charge of the ID cards found out either through a third party or by doing a simple "people search" and discovered that the outsider actually had a home over near Lake Weir and was employed somewhere over in that direction.
My friend's Landlady has been informed and there is now a discussion going on as to who is responsible. The possibility of having the ID Cards removed from the tenant AND the homeowner is real. I'm sorry for my friend BUT we all pay an amenity fee to use our facilities and the outside person pays nothing at all. I think that department has done us all a favor.
Your opinion please?

[2BNTV]

If I understand you correctly, the landlady knowingly obtained an I.D. card, for a renter, who lives within the 50 mile radius. TV does not issue cards for anyone who lives within the 50 mile radius, (they need to be on the deed). Since TV powers to be, found out the landlady deceived the powers to be, they are going to revoke the landlady's privledges also?

Sounds like someone was too talkative to a neighbor and they ratted the renter out, and subsequently, the landlady.

MY question is why did someone need to rent a house in TV, when they lived a few miles away?

Some people don't like it, when other people bend the rules, to their own ends. It's been a complaint that "single" people can't have a guest issued an I.D., especially when the guest lives within the 50 mile radius.

TV makes the rules and evidently, enforce, all of them.

[Bogie Shooter]

If I understand you correctly, the landlady knowingly obtained an I.D. card, for a renter, who lives within the 50 mile radius. TV does not issue cards for anyone who lives within the 50 mile radius, (they need to be on the deed). Since TV powers to be, found out the landlady deceived the powers to be, they are going to revoke the landlady's privledges also?

Sounds like someone was too talkative to a neighbor and they ratted the renter out, and subsequently, the landlady.

MY question is why did someone need to rent a house in TV, when they lived a few miles away?

Some people don't like it, when other people bend the rules, to their own ends. It's been a complaint that "single" people can't have a guest issued an I.D., especially when the guest lives within the 50 mile radius.

TV makes the rules and evidently, enforce, all of them.

There are exceptions for children and grandchildren. (I went to the page (recreation ID) but due to an error was not able to copy the exception)

[Bogie Shooter]

A single friend of mine renting a home in The Villages placed another friend WHO DOES NOT live in The Villages on record as being in the home. The outside friend received a Villages ID card and used it to play various games in the recreation centers. She also used the ID card to do water aerobics in the sports pool. This has been going on for a couple of years with no problem to either party.
However, recently, somehow the department in charge of the ID cards found out either through a third party or by doing a simple "people search" and discovered that the outsider actually had a home over near Lake Weir and was employed somewhere over in that direction.
My friend's Landlady has been informed and there is now a discussion going on as to who is responsible. The possibility of having the ID Cards removed from the tenant AND the homeowner is real. I'm sorry for my friend BUT we all pay an amenity fee to use our facilities and the outside person pays nothing at all. I think that department has done us all a favor.
Your opinion please?

Yep, the rules were broken...........pull the ID cards.

[Topspinmo]

Yep, the rules were broken...........pull the ID cards.


I agree someone stealing my amenities. Probably at least 20% or more getting away with it. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

[redwitch]

sadly, there are always ways to skirt these rules and, obviously, these folks got away with it a long time. I feel bad for the homeowner IF they had no idea their renter scammed TV for her friend's ID. No sympathy for the renter or her friend. It's really a shame they can't charge her for illegal use of the facilities.

Funny, I firmly believe that a single person should have the ability to invite a friend that lives in the Tri Counties to enjoy activities with the single such as dances and other date-like activities, but not something like this. This is fraudulently using our facilities and taking up space that could be legitimately used by a Villager, especially during high season.

[queasy27]

How would a renter be able to obtain an additional guest pass? Don't they have to be obtained (and paid for) by the home owner?

[rubicon]

a permanent (green) ID card can only be obtained by residents whose names are on the house's deed. Residents age 19 and above living with relatives and not on the deed are issued temporary (blue) ID cards every three years. I make a wager that those with blue ID cards seldom use amenities

The situation described only touches the surface of this problem. I'll refrain from elaborating because I do not want to start a discussion that is going nowhere. However District should perform its due diligence to review all policies and rules to maker certain they are not be manipulated or abused and I mean ALL.

[MikeV]

Broke the rules, take the cards.

[looneycat]

it's called fraud and the offender should pay 'back' amenities fees for the entire period she was stealing services :police:

[blueash]

As I read the OP, someone not local rented a home as a single person. That non-local person added to the record as a co-renter a local person who thus obtained a renter's ID. Whether the home owner had any knowledge of the second person, or of the second person's home near Lake Weir is not stated. It seems obvious that the second ID is pulled from the local non-renter if in fact he/she is not renting. I would think a Lake Weir person could rent a home here and get a renter's ID. If that second person paid the primary renter $1/year as a sub-lease there would be no requirement as to how many days they live in their rental room vs their Lake Weir home. It is a complicated situation, but it is unclear that the home owner is complicit in any way.

[mixsonci]

The way I read the OPs post was: The renter put the friends name on the lease as living there in the house (housemates) at the time of the original signing. The renter does not live near by (so she's legit) but her "fake housemate" does live close and just wanted to use the amenities. Whether or not the owner knew at the time that they were adding the friends name fraudulently or not is the question as to whether the owner should be punished. If she didn't know, she shouldn't be punished for a scam artist. But, how do you prove it one way or another?

[NavyNJ]

As I read the OP, someone not local rented a home as a single person. That non-local person added to the record as a co-renter a local person who thus obtained a renter's ID. Whether the home owner had any knowledge of the second person, or of the second person's home near Lake Weir is not stated. It seems obvious that the second ID is pulled from the local non-renter if in fact he/she is not renting. I would think a Lake Weir person could rent a home here and get a renter's ID. If that second person paid the primary renter $1/year as a sub-lease there would be no requirement as to how many days they live in their rental room vs their Lake Weir home. It is a complicated situation, but it is unclear that the home owner is complicit in any way.

Unless the lease the renter signed with the homeowner (landlord) contained a provision that "subletting/sub-leasing" was not permitted, or, not permitted without prior, written approval of the homeowner (landlord).

[NYGUY]

Yep, the rules were broken...........pull the ID cards.

I agree!!!

[Justus]

Yep, the rules were broken...........pull the ID cards.

I agree! Too much of this going on, IMHO!

[Sally G]

We are fairly new here and have wondered why there seem to be so many people not adhering to the " rules" - young couples with childrenin the adult pools, as well as 20 somethings, dogs runniing unleashed, cars racing down the street. Sounds like these are unenforceable problems, but it's what we came here for. Disappointed.

[Bogie Shooter]

Disappointed?
Just what did you come here for?

[asianthree]

So when you pick up your residence id from LSL you must show picture ID. How did a local get a residence pass. So it must be a visitors pass which is good for 30 days and can be renewed. Guess passes don't get you into sports pools. It would tighten up if the guest pass holders had to pick up their own passes and show id over a certain age

[Shadow8IA]

So when you pick up your residence id from LSL you must show picture ID. How did a local get a residence pass. So it must be a visitors pass which is good for 30 days and can be renewed. Guess passes don't get you into sports pools. It would tighten up if the guest pass holders had to pick up their own passes and show id over a certain age

When we rented we were told that we would need our ids when we picked up our resident passes but they never asked for them. I'm guesssing the lady just forgot to ask for them but maybe they don't check them.

[rubicon]

We are fairly new here and have wondered why there seem to be so many people not adhering to the " rules" - young couples with childrenin the adult pools, as well as 20 somethings, dogs runniing unleashed, cars racing down the street. Sounds like these are unenforceable problems, but it's what we came here for. Disappointed.

Sally G: I also am disappointed because the main reason we moved to Florida was because of The Villages and its rules, etc. There are many rules and policies here that protect one's investment if they are strictly applied. But I am afraid that the Developer who has influence over the district bends these rules so that they can continue their infinite expansion. I for one have questioned the renters policy and the OP's comments concerning the abuse is one reason why

Our investment can only be protected with the strict application of The Villages policies and rules. The only reason it won't is if this place is mismanaged and/or overbuilt. Resident need to speak up

[Bay Kid]

Such a shame people will steal.

[asianthree]

When we rented we were told that we would need our ids when we picked up our resident passes but they never asked for them. I'm guesssing the lady just forgot to ask for them but maybe they don't check them.

I've been sending my parents down since 2010. Each time they have come to pick up their IDs they have always been asked for a photo ID. Very disappointed that you were not asked for ID. I wanted to pick up my parents resident ID cards so they wouldn't have to make the trip in. But was not allowed. They had to pick them up in person.

[jnieman]

We are fairly new here and have wondered why there seem to be so many people not adhering to the " rules" - young couples with childrenin the adult pools, as well as 20 somethings, dogs runniing unleashed, cars racing down the street. Sounds like these are unenforceable problems, but it's what we came here for. Disappointed.

I've lived here 8 years and have never seen any young couples with young children in an adult pool. If so they should be reported and I feel this would be taken care of. The youngest person I've ever seen has been about 28 years old. Two years younger than the 30 requirement. I have also never seen a dog running around unleashed at least in my neighborhood in 8 years. I'm sure a few lost dogs here and there are roaming but normally all dogs I see are on leashes. As far as cars racing down the street I do see that especially the landscape trucks.

[Jbirds99]

I Support Looneycat. Make them pay.I know people here who have relatives living outside the villages but still use all the amenities. They use there old south Fl address. What a shame!

[Jbirds99]

I say give a 10% reward off your next amenities bill if you turn someone in and it is proven that they have committed fraud.
I bet that will solve the problem.

[dirtbanker]

Better throw in a 10% penalty on your next amenities bill if you make a false accusation about someone committing fraud...you can bet that will solve the next problem.

[graciegirl]

We are fairly new here and have wondered why there seem to be so many people not adhering to the " rules" - young couples with childrenin the adult pools, as well as 20 somethings, dogs runniing unleashed, cars racing down the street. Sounds like these are unenforceable problems, but it's what we came here for. Disappointed.



NEVER, EVER have seen children in adult pools. NEVER,EVER have seen dogs running unleashed.

Welcome to the forum. I love this place. It is MY hometown. I have now lived here for several years. I really am aware of my friends and relatives thinking to move here, and me wishing they would, reading posts that color this almost perfect place incorrectly.

[looneycat]

We are fairly new here and have wondered why there seem to be so many people not adhering to the " rules" - young couples with childrenin the adult pools, as well as 20 somethings, dogs runniing unleashed, cars racing down the street. Sounds like these are unenforceable problems, but it's what we came here for. Disappointed.

cars racing down the street, dogs running around unleashed? do you really live here ?

[Bogie Shooter]

I Support Looneycat. Make them pay.I know people here who have relatives living outside the villages but still use all the amenities. They use there old south Fl address. What a shame!

Turn them in..............

[Carl in Tampa]

A single friend of mine renting a home in The Villages placed another friend WHO DOES NOT live in The Villages on record as being in the home. The outside friend received a Villages ID card and used it to play various games in the recreation centers. She also used the ID card to do water aerobics in the sports pool. This has been going on for a couple of years with no problem to either party.
However, recently, somehow the department in charge of the ID cards found out either through a third party or by doing a simple "people search" and discovered that the outsider actually had a home over near Lake Weir and was employed somewhere over in that direction.
My friend's Landlady has been informed and there is now a discussion going on as to who is responsible. The possibility of having the ID Cards removed from the tenant AND the homeowner is real. I'm sorry for my friend BUT we all pay an amenity fee to use our facilities and the outside person pays nothing at all. I think that department has done us all a favor.
Your opinion please?

I'm not quite sure I understand the issue. If a house is rented and at the time of rental two people are listed as sharing the rental then they should both be entitled to ID cards..... Right? Regardless of where their primary residence is located, if they are both listed on the rental agreement then they are the renters. This is different from the 50 mile rule for a guest pass.

SO, it should be of no consequence if one (or even both) of the renters has a primary residence within 50 miles, or even if they go to work every day. Both renters should have had to provide their ID at the time the Renter ID was issued, so it was no secret that one of them had a primary residence within 50 miles.

You or I may think they are being deceptive, but this is not a Guest pass issue. What would it take for you to not think that this involves deception? For the guy living nearby to stay out of his permanent residence? For the guy living nearby not go to work? For the guy living nearby to actually issue the check paying for the rental?

Having been a renter a couple of times in the past, it was my experience that no one who is not listed in the rental agreement can obtain a Villages ID card, and that you must show your permanent ID in order to get the Villages ID card.

This thing seems overblown to me.