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07-06-2015, 06:29 PM
This whole thing got me thinking and reading.
I have had personal experience with the Hispanic community up north in them resisting openly any merging into or assimilating into the community. They felt, and this was in the 1960's that we should accommodate them with separate sports programs etc.
So, with the Trump thing out there and the killing in San Francisco and then reading that Hillary Clinton will be speaking to LaRaza I will just share a few things with everyone and you can make up your own mind.
The killing of the young lady in San Francisco was done by a man who had been deported FIVE TIMES and had a felony record. That is one issue.
Now, he was in San Francisco which is considered a "sanctuary city". A sanctuary city is a city in the USA, and there are about 200 of them in our country. These cities and here I quote from CNN " The city, however, doesn't honor such immigration detention requests under its 26-year-old sanctuary law.
San Francisco is one of dozens of cities, counties and states across the country that have laws, policies or regulations that prevent employees from cooperating with federal immigration enforcement efforts."
Why are there such cities......
"The sanctuary movement is said to have grown out of efforts by churches in the 1980s to provide sanctuary to Central Americans fleeing violence at home amid reluctance by the federal government to grant them refugee status.
It's also a product of the long-running national immigration debate, in which officials in some more diverse and liberal communities sometimes take issue with aggressive immigration enforcement efforts."
Perhaps I should also mention the few comments on here about activism. But according to the CNN article which is easy to read.....these are what those who like it say...
"Proponents say that by encouraging members of immigrant communities to work with police without fear of deportation, such policies help authorities improve public safety by helping authorities identify and arrest dangerous criminals who might otherwise go undetected.
"The cities and states that encourage police to enforce civil immigration laws are the real 'sanctuaries' for criminals, because they are alienating a segment of the community that experiences crime, but is afraid to report it," Lynn Tramonte, deputy director of America's Voice, wrote in a 2011 report on sanctuary cities.
America's Voice is an advocacy group that works to secure citizenship for undocumented immigrants.
Supporters say such policies are widely supported by police groups such as the International Association of Chiefs of Police and chiefs from the nation's largest police departments because they help communities unite to fight crime."
And those opposed.....
""Unfortunately, a lot of cities in this country have decided they don't want to cooperate with ICE," Julie Myers Wood, former assistant secretary for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, told CNN on Monday. "They think that cooperating with ICE causes them problems with respect to the immigrant community and public safety, but in fact it does exactly the opposite, as we've seen here."
Such policies "ignore the fact that if the illegal aliens were removed from the U.S., they would not be here to become victims, and the predators would be out of the country too," Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC, which opposes sanctuary policies, says on its website.
"Sanctuary policies -- official or otherwise, result in safe havens (or safer havens) for illegal aliens involved in a variety of criminal enterprises -- since their illegal schemes are less likely to be uncovered and face less risk of deportation if caught by local law enforcement," the website says.
"Sanctuary policies also provide an environment helpful to Latin American drug cartels, gangs, and terrorist cells -- since their activities are less likely to be detected and reported by law enforcement."
Some Republican presidential candidates have used similar language. Donald Trump has blamed immigration policy for Kate Steinle's death. Another Republican, Jeb Bush, agreed, saying such policies encourage such crimes."
Here is the link to that CNN article which also includes a few comments from those on the federal level on this.
That leads me to the last issue and the reason I mentioned my own personal experience. in getting hispanic folks to become a part of the community, and I mean in any way at all.
The group that has Hillary Clinton coming to speak to them has grown quite a bit since I first heard of them. They are called LaRaza, which translates to THE RACE. They are a network of a bunch of different organizations.
Much to worry about here but the big thing is they are rich and they do not want to become part of America. They want Spanish taught and have no desire to learn english, basically they do not want to become americans or assimilate in any way.
On of the groups that is under this umbrella is a radical racist group called "Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West."
Exclusive: The Truth About 'La Raza' | Human Events (http://humanevents.com/2006/04/07/emexclusive-emthe-truth-about-la-raza/)
This is simply from WIKI...
"M.E.Ch.A. (Spanish: Movimiento Estudiantil Chican@ de Aztlán; "Chican@ Student Movement of Aztlán", the @ being a gender neutral inflection) is an organization that seeks to promote Chicano unity and empowerment through political action. The acronym of the organization's name is the Chicano word mecha, which is the Chicano pronunciation of the English word, match and therefore symbolic of a fire or spark; mecha in Spanish means fuse or wick. The motto of MEChA is 'La Union Hace La Fuerza' (Unity creates strength)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA
A few other things from WIKI on this group....
"A passage from MEChA's national website reads: ‘As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright. As a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land. Thus, the principle of nationalism serves to preserve the cultural traditions of La Familia de La Raza and promotes our identity as a Chicana/Chicano Gente.’[3] [4] Such statements have led MEChA to be criticized by a variety of sources, including the National Review[5] and Michelle Malkin[6] which alleges that MEChA is tinged with racist and separatist views. The Times Online has referred to MEChA as "a radical Mexican student organisation"[7] in describing the associations of California gubernatorial candidate Cruz Bustamante."
To be fair to LaRaza, this also is noted...
"The National Council of La Raza has distanced itself from MEChA due to controversial allegations made by some of its members. In a public press release, NCLR declared, "NCLR freely acknowledges that some of the organization’s founding documents, e.g., Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, contain inappropriate rhetoric, and NCLR also acknowledges that rhetoric from some MEChA members has been extremist and inflammatory..."
I know this is long but i was not aware of the broad and powerful grasp of these groups who, to me, are a threat....a threat in that assimilation is a key part of immigration in my opinion. This group....
LaRaza has money and influence....our President when he made his proclamation on immigration he put the former vice president of this far left radical group in charge of his task force.
Hillary Clinton will be speaking to their convention this week.
I am just passing this on, but this now is on my radar and I want to hear candidates respond directly to this. President Obama, has not once mentioned assimilation in speaking of immigration.
Sorry for the length, but I found a lot of this to be very upsetting. There is so much going on in immigration that we are not aware of. Sorry again but hope someone finds the reading worth while.
I have had personal experience with the Hispanic community up north in them resisting openly any merging into or assimilating into the community. They felt, and this was in the 1960's that we should accommodate them with separate sports programs etc.
So, with the Trump thing out there and the killing in San Francisco and then reading that Hillary Clinton will be speaking to LaRaza I will just share a few things with everyone and you can make up your own mind.
The killing of the young lady in San Francisco was done by a man who had been deported FIVE TIMES and had a felony record. That is one issue.
Now, he was in San Francisco which is considered a "sanctuary city". A sanctuary city is a city in the USA, and there are about 200 of them in our country. These cities and here I quote from CNN " The city, however, doesn't honor such immigration detention requests under its 26-year-old sanctuary law.
San Francisco is one of dozens of cities, counties and states across the country that have laws, policies or regulations that prevent employees from cooperating with federal immigration enforcement efforts."
Why are there such cities......
"The sanctuary movement is said to have grown out of efforts by churches in the 1980s to provide sanctuary to Central Americans fleeing violence at home amid reluctance by the federal government to grant them refugee status.
It's also a product of the long-running national immigration debate, in which officials in some more diverse and liberal communities sometimes take issue with aggressive immigration enforcement efforts."
Perhaps I should also mention the few comments on here about activism. But according to the CNN article which is easy to read.....these are what those who like it say...
"Proponents say that by encouraging members of immigrant communities to work with police without fear of deportation, such policies help authorities improve public safety by helping authorities identify and arrest dangerous criminals who might otherwise go undetected.
"The cities and states that encourage police to enforce civil immigration laws are the real 'sanctuaries' for criminals, because they are alienating a segment of the community that experiences crime, but is afraid to report it," Lynn Tramonte, deputy director of America's Voice, wrote in a 2011 report on sanctuary cities.
America's Voice is an advocacy group that works to secure citizenship for undocumented immigrants.
Supporters say such policies are widely supported by police groups such as the International Association of Chiefs of Police and chiefs from the nation's largest police departments because they help communities unite to fight crime."
And those opposed.....
""Unfortunately, a lot of cities in this country have decided they don't want to cooperate with ICE," Julie Myers Wood, former assistant secretary for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, told CNN on Monday. "They think that cooperating with ICE causes them problems with respect to the immigrant community and public safety, but in fact it does exactly the opposite, as we've seen here."
Such policies "ignore the fact that if the illegal aliens were removed from the U.S., they would not be here to become victims, and the predators would be out of the country too," Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC, which opposes sanctuary policies, says on its website.
"Sanctuary policies -- official or otherwise, result in safe havens (or safer havens) for illegal aliens involved in a variety of criminal enterprises -- since their illegal schemes are less likely to be uncovered and face less risk of deportation if caught by local law enforcement," the website says.
"Sanctuary policies also provide an environment helpful to Latin American drug cartels, gangs, and terrorist cells -- since their activities are less likely to be detected and reported by law enforcement."
Some Republican presidential candidates have used similar language. Donald Trump has blamed immigration policy for Kate Steinle's death. Another Republican, Jeb Bush, agreed, saying such policies encourage such crimes."
Here is the link to that CNN article which also includes a few comments from those on the federal level on this.
That leads me to the last issue and the reason I mentioned my own personal experience. in getting hispanic folks to become a part of the community, and I mean in any way at all.
The group that has Hillary Clinton coming to speak to them has grown quite a bit since I first heard of them. They are called LaRaza, which translates to THE RACE. They are a network of a bunch of different organizations.
Much to worry about here but the big thing is they are rich and they do not want to become part of America. They want Spanish taught and have no desire to learn english, basically they do not want to become americans or assimilate in any way.
On of the groups that is under this umbrella is a radical racist group called "Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West."
Exclusive: The Truth About 'La Raza' | Human Events (http://humanevents.com/2006/04/07/emexclusive-emthe-truth-about-la-raza/)
This is simply from WIKI...
"M.E.Ch.A. (Spanish: Movimiento Estudiantil Chican@ de Aztlán; "Chican@ Student Movement of Aztlán", the @ being a gender neutral inflection) is an organization that seeks to promote Chicano unity and empowerment through political action. The acronym of the organization's name is the Chicano word mecha, which is the Chicano pronunciation of the English word, match and therefore symbolic of a fire or spark; mecha in Spanish means fuse or wick. The motto of MEChA is 'La Union Hace La Fuerza' (Unity creates strength)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA
A few other things from WIKI on this group....
"A passage from MEChA's national website reads: ‘As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright. As a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land. Thus, the principle of nationalism serves to preserve the cultural traditions of La Familia de La Raza and promotes our identity as a Chicana/Chicano Gente.’[3] [4] Such statements have led MEChA to be criticized by a variety of sources, including the National Review[5] and Michelle Malkin[6] which alleges that MEChA is tinged with racist and separatist views. The Times Online has referred to MEChA as "a radical Mexican student organisation"[7] in describing the associations of California gubernatorial candidate Cruz Bustamante."
To be fair to LaRaza, this also is noted...
"The National Council of La Raza has distanced itself from MEChA due to controversial allegations made by some of its members. In a public press release, NCLR declared, "NCLR freely acknowledges that some of the organization’s founding documents, e.g., Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, contain inappropriate rhetoric, and NCLR also acknowledges that rhetoric from some MEChA members has been extremist and inflammatory..."
I know this is long but i was not aware of the broad and powerful grasp of these groups who, to me, are a threat....a threat in that assimilation is a key part of immigration in my opinion. This group....
LaRaza has money and influence....our President when he made his proclamation on immigration he put the former vice president of this far left radical group in charge of his task force.
Hillary Clinton will be speaking to their convention this week.
I am just passing this on, but this now is on my radar and I want to hear candidates respond directly to this. President Obama, has not once mentioned assimilation in speaking of immigration.
Sorry for the length, but I found a lot of this to be very upsetting. There is so much going on in immigration that we are not aware of. Sorry again but hope someone finds the reading worth while.