Brownwood business

[abecker]

Love Brownwood Square! However, does anyone notice the abundance of unoccupied store fronts? The biggest foot print there is Village related, ie, Bank, Closing Office, Colf Cart sales and Service, Daily Sun and Banner Mercantile. Aside from the restaurants, there is almost no independent retail stores. The only store at Brownwood that has an outstanding appeal is The Rustic Rose. Their merchandise is always fresh and reasonably priced.
What's wrong with this picture? Can't imagine why The Villages is having problems filling up all these vacant retail shops.

[Happinow]

I wonder the same thing. No wonder they opened it early. If they waited until a fair amount of retailers went in, it still wouldn't be open. Maybe money is running tight in The Villages and retailers aren't willing to risk failure??

[MikeV]

Could it be the lease rates?

[hulahips]

Small businesses are struggling today with all the regulations and then to come to a community where you must pay the developers a % may not be worthwhile to them or appealing. Just my guess, but who knows for sure?

[ronat1]

I wonder the same thing. No wonder they opened it early. If they waited until a fair amount of retailers went in, it still wouldn't be open. Maybe money is running tight in The Villages and retailers aren't willing to risk failure??

Or maybe the businesses have finally wised up to the obnoxiously high rent TV demands.

[graciegirl]

Small businesses are struggling today with all the regulations and then to come to a community where you must pay the developers a % may not be worthwhile to them or appealing. Just my guess, but who knows for sure?



I am pretty sure I read that the person who is in charge of commercial development said that isn't true but I would guess the rents are higher in the squares. They are at tourist destinations all over Florida.

They keep building spaces and renting spaces it looks to me. How long has the square been open? A couple of years? Thank heavens we don't have tacky shell shops like in other tourist areas.

[kstew43]

Could it be the lease rates?

that would be my guess as well.

[dewilson58]

Love Brownwood Square! However, does anyone notice the abundance of unoccupied store fronts? The biggest foot print there is Village related, ie, Bank, Closing Office, Colf Cart sales and Service, Daily Sun and Banner Mercantile. Aside from the restaurants, there is almost no independent retail stores. The only store at Brownwood that has an outstanding appeal is The Rustic Rose. Their merchandise is always fresh and reasonably priced.
What's wrong with this picture? Can't imagine why The Villages is having problems filling up all these vacant retail shops.

Retail space is a challenge in Florida with seasonality (those snowbirds) and generating a profit when 50% of your customers leave for six months.

It just takes time to fill spots and have the right business model.

[ugotme]

Personally I can not agree with The Rustic Rose having outstanding appeal. But, beauty is in the eyes . . . etc.

I asked the same question 1.5 years ago when I moved here. What I was told was very simple - several years ago LSL was the same way. People wondered if it would ever be full. Guess what?

Everything takes time. Besides, personally, I hate having all the same stores in all the squares. Would like to see something different. Different restaurants, retail stores etc.

We will just have to wait and see.

Oh sorry - in the mean time I am off to the golf course !!!!

[John_W]

As a comparison to LSL, that square opened in 2007 and yet Panera's didn't open until May 2011. That was 4 to 5 years after opening, where Brownwood didn't really get going until spring 2012, which is only about 3 years ago. That goes to show that successful stores don't just jump into a situation until they feel it's right.

Another reason, is I've talked firsthand with the manager of Jersey's Mikes Subs and they inquired about Brownwood over a year ago. First off, the shopping centers have a do not compete clause with Subway. So with with only a square location, they requested 1200 sf and were told nothing under 2000 sf was available. So they've turned away a very successful food operation. I still eat at the Jersey Mike's in front of Target and that place is always busy.

[Jbirds99]

I personally think that given the location to Wildwood the money just isn't there in Brownwood.
Look at some of the people in the square at night. They just don't have the money and I think a lot of businesses are afraid to take a chance. I think I am correct is saying that Sumter, Marion and Lake are the three poorest counties in Fl.
We also were expecting a lot more out of Brownwood. So Sad!

[hulahips]

I am pretty sure I read that the person who is in charge of commercial development said that isn't true but I would guess the rents are higher in the squares. They are at tourist destinations all over Florida.

They keep building spaces and renting spaces it looks to me. How long has the square been open? A couple of years? Thank heavens we don't have tacky shell shops like in other tourist areas.

But we do have lots of "the villages t-shirts and mugs". Lol

[Bonny]

As a comparison to LSL, that square opened in 2007 and yet Panera's didn't open until May 2011. That was 4 to 5 years after opening, where Brownwood didn't really get going until spring 2012, which is only about 3 years ago. That goes to show that successful stores don't just jump into a situation until they feel it's right.

Another reason, is I've talked firsthand with the manager of Jersey's Mikes Subs and they inquired about Brownwood over a year ago. First off, the shopping centers have a do not compete clause with Subway. So with with only a square location, they requested 1200 sf and were told nothing under 2000 sf was available. So they've turned away a very successful food operation. I still eat at the Jersey Mike's in front of Target and that place is always busy.
LSL opened in 2004. That's when Robin & Caroline opened Lighthouse. It took a few years to get businesses in. Urban Flats (City Fire) opened in 2007. We already had RJ Gators, Up The Creek, Dominics and others. The square was fairly dead for a few years. Now look at it !!

[Bonny]

I personally think that given the location to Wildwood the money just isn't there in Brownwood.
Look at some of the people in the square at night. They just don't have the money and I think a lot of businesses are afraid to take a chance. I think I am correct is saying that Sumter, Marion and Lake are the three poorest counties in Fl.
We also were expecting a lot more out of Brownwood. So Sad!
I don't think we are seeing the same people in Brownwood. Also, I cannot tell by looking at most people how much money they have to spend.

[FlamingoFlo]

I don't think we are seeing the same people in Brownwood. Also, I cannot tell by looking at most people how much money they have to spend.

The most important lesson I learned working at a bank was "don't judge a book by its cover". Some of our wealthiest customers sure didn't look it.

[Chi-Town]

Heading north on I-75 towards the 44 exit there is a billboard advertising Brownwood. Also one on the Turnpike. Definitely aiming for business outside of The Villages. But from where?

[Doro22]

Heading north on I-75 towards the 44 exit there is a billboard advertising Brownwood. Also one on the Turnpike. Definitely aiming for business outside of The Villages. But from where?

Good point! The truckers on I-75?

[Madelaine Amee]

Spanish Springs is situated right off 441/27 and no one seems to complain about drawing "outsiders" to the Square. As many other posters have said, Sumter Landing took years to develop, the ownership of stores was constantly changing, but look at it now, it really is the center of TV. Brownwood will get there, it takes time; and many of the newer buyers in the far southern end are seasonal which means less people in the summer. Just needs time to fully develop.

[NYGUY]

Love Brownwood Square! However, does anyone notice the abundance of unoccupied store fronts? The biggest foot print there is Village related, ie, Bank, Closing Office, Colf Cart sales and Service, Daily Sun and Banner Mercantile. Aside from the restaurants, there is almost no independent retail stores. The only store at Brownwood that has an outstanding appeal is The Rustic Rose. Their merchandise is always fresh and reasonably priced.
What's wrong with this picture? Can't imagine why The Villages is having problems filling up all these vacant retail shops.

I must be loosing my mind. Have you not ever seen the following:

Woof Gang Bakery & Grooming
Villages Cycles
Memories Engraved
Brownwood Jewelers
SAS Comfort Shoe Store
Nail Salon
Cal's Barber & Beauty
Hear USA
Tommy Bahama
Evelyn & Arthur
Christine's

And non retailers such as:

Raymond James
Prady Financial
United Healthcare
MVP Athletic Club

When we first visited The Villages in 2006, Lake Sumter Landing was no where near as big as it is today. It took about ten years for LSL to be that big (with more room to build still). And, I am sure, Brownwood will take as long (that will be 2022).

Take a look around and smell the roses.

[dewilson58]

The most important lesson I learned working at a bank was "don't judge a book by its cover". Some of our wealthiest customers sure didn't look it.

I wear nice clothes so people think I have money.

:pepper2:

[justjim]

LSL and SP both have more TV residents living closeby. I think this makes a big difference. Personally, I always wondered about the location for that reason. I thought Brownwood would be located about halfway between 44 and 466a. But I never pretend to be the brightest bulb in the ceiling and my guess is "they" knew what they were doing. There were probably factors that went into the location decision that we know nothing about. Fore!

[billybye]

I am pretty sure I read that the person who is in charge of commercial development said that isn't true but I would guess the rents are higher in the squares. They are at tourist destinations all over Florida.

They keep building spaces and renting spaces it looks to me. How long has the square been open? A couple of years? Thank heavens we don't have tacky shell shops like in other tourist areas.

I vote for tacky shops - would like that more than the high priced franchises that have deep pockets from other franchises they own and are used to high rent and royalties. (PS - I am a retired former franchise owner)

[Bogie Shooter]

I personally think that given the location to Wildwood the money just isn't there in Brownwood.
Look at some of the people in the square at night. They just don't have the money and I think a lot of businesses are afraid to take a chance. I think I am correct is saying that Sumter, Marion and Lake are the three poorest counties in Fl.
We also were expecting a lot more out of Brownwood. So Sad!

Please describe what you mean. What should I be looking for, do you have some clues?

It really is not sad......it will take a little more time.

[Bogie Shooter]

I must be loosing my mind. Have you not ever seen the following:

Woof Gang Bakery & Grooming
Villages Cycles
Memories Engraved
Brownwood Jewelers
SAS Comfort Shoe Store
Nail Salon
Cal's Barber & Beauty
Hear USA
Tommy Bahama
Evelyn & Arthur
Christine's

And non retailers such as:

Raymond James
Prady Financial
United Healthcare
MVP Athletic Club

When we first visited The Villages in 2006, Lake Sumter Landing was no where near as big as it is today. It took about ten years for LSL to be that big (with more room to build still). And, I am sure, Brownwood will take as long (that will be 2022).

Take a look around and smell the roses.

You are so right!
That OP came from a half-empty glass..........

[Average Guy]

I personally think that given the location to Wildwood the money just isn't there in Brownwood.
Look at some of the people in the square at night. They just don't have the money and I think a lot of businesses are afraid to take a chance. I think I am correct is saying that Sumter, Marion and Lake are the three poorest counties in Fl.
We also were expecting a lot more out of Brownwood. So Sad!

They are not even close to being the 3 poorest counties in Florida. Of the 67 counties, they rank 24th, 29th, and 36th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_locations_by_per_capita_income

[Sable99]

I recently talked to a couple who were interested in opening a shop in The Villages. I thought in Brownwood from the way they talked. They live near TV in the winter and have a booth in Shipshewana, Indiana in the summers. They sell nice silver jewelry.

They were looking for something around 1200 square feet. They said not only was the rent high but they would also have to do the flooring, electric and plumbing. They said they simply couldn't afford it. I told them to check into vendor nights at the squares.

He said they might look into a small shop around Webster and put ads in The Daily Sun. I warned them that people in TV like golf cart accessible. I'm interested in what they decide to do.

It's a little dangerous for me to have them to close. I love their jewelry!

[Bogie Shooter]

Isn't Shipshewana a flea market?

[Bonny]

I recently talked to a couple who were interested in opening a shop in The Villages. I thought in Brownwood from the way they talked. They live near TV in the winter and have a booth in Shipshewana, Indiana in the summers. They sell nice silver jewelry.

They were looking for something around 1200 square feet. They said not only was the rent high but they would also have to do the flooring, electric and plumbing. They said they simply couldn't afford it. I told them to check into vendor nights at the squares.

He said they might look into a small shop around Webster and put ads in The Daily Sun. I warned them that people in TV like golf cart accessible. I'm interested in what they decide to do.

It's a little dangerous for me to have them to close. I love their jewelry!
I would seriously doubt that selling silver jewelry they would be able to afford any store front.

[missypie]

I recently talked to a couple who were interested in opening a shop in The Villages. I thought in Brownwood from the way they talked. They live near TV in the winter and have a booth in Shipshewana, Indiana in the summers. They sell nice silver jewelry.

They were looking for something around 1200 square feet. They said not only was the rent high but they would also have to do the flooring, electric and plumbing. They said they simply couldn't afford it. I told them to check into vendor nights at the squares.

He said they might look into a small shop around Webster and put ads in The Daily Sun. I warned them that people in TV like golf cart accessible. I'm interested in what they decide to do.

It's a little dangerous for me to have them to close. I love their jewelry!

When one leases in a new building usually you do your own build out. This way electrical, flooring etc. Is done to your needed specifications significant to your business needs.

[Wavy Chips]

Have to agree with those thinking it's just a matter of time before more businesses open. The homes that will be the closest to BW have yet to be built and once everything south of 466A is done, that adds x,000 potential customers. I think a key is to keep the quality and the value of the restaurants as high as possible. That will attract and keep your traffic volume up and make all businesses viable. If the food/service stinks, people will go elsewhere to eat AND shop. As a homeowner who is not a full time resident, we have been VERY satisfied with the food in TV, so much so that during our last trip, every meal we ate out was at a Villages restaurant. Something else I noticed is that SP is directly connected to large retail strip center, and LSL has a Winn Dixie right there. BW is not directly connected to any other non Villages retail. That makes it a bit less of a destination.

Heck, put a Starbucks and a Chipotle in at BW and you could close SP and LSL. :D

[Villager Joyce]

Have to agree with those thinking it's just a matter of time before more businesses open. The homes that will be the closest to BW have yet to be built and once everything south of 466A is done, that adds x,000 potential customers. I think a key is to keep the quality and the value of the restaurants as high as possible. That will attract and keep your traffic volume up and make all businesses viable. If the food/service stinks, people will go elsewhere to eat AND shop. As a homeowner who is not a full time resident, we have been VERY satisfied with the food in TV, so much so that during our last trip, every meal we ate out was at a Villages restaurant. Something else I noticed is that SP is directly connected to large retail strip center, and LSL has a Winn Dixie right there. BW is not directly connected to any other non Villages retail. That makes it a bit less of a destination.

Heck, put a Starbucks and a Chipotle in at BW and you could close SP and LSL. :D

Publix is close.

[Sable99]

They are at the Shipshewana Flea Market but they do have nice silver jewelry. They were looking at different options near TV but quickly realized it wouldn't work of them. That's why I recommended vendor night.

They were quoted $3,500 a month rent for 1200 square feet plus the build out. That's all I know as other customers needed to be helped.

[WhoDat]

Brownwood is not nearly as crowded as LSL or SS. I think businesses do market research and based on population and cost make their decision to open a location. Like someone else said, as the population in the area grows, the stores will move into the area.

[JoMar]

As the "build out" of the existing concept fills, I believe a lot will change down this way. The land for sale along 466A and the widening to 4 lanes will then attract. Could we see 466A becoming a 466 and eventually 44 becoming a 441? Add in a "new concept" development over towards the new turnpike entrance and the widening of 468 there will, eventually, be a plan that will work and the commercial areas will grow. Marketing guys look at demographics and when it becomes viable they will build.

[Spikearoni]

I wear nice clothes so people think I have money.

:pepper2:
Thank you for all of your hilarious replies. :BigApplause: Were you a comedian in your other life?

[joldnol]

As the population below 466A grows so will BW....heck toojays is coming

[Barefoot]

I must be loosing my mind. Have you not ever seen the following:

Woof Gang Bakery & Grooming
Villages Cycles
Memories Engraved
Brownwood Jewelers
SAS Comfort Shoe Store
Nail Salon
Cal's Barber & Beauty
Hear USA
Tommy Bahama
Evelyn & Arthur
Christine's

And non retailers such as:

Raymond James
Prady Financial
United Healthcare
MVP Athletic Club

When we first visited The Villages in 2006, Lake Sumter Landing was no where near as big as it is today. It took about ten years for LSL to be that big (with more room to build still). And, I am sure, Brownwood will take as long (that will be 2022).

Take a look around and smell the roses.

Great reply! :thumbup:

[alphajean]

I would very much like to see Costco come some where near TV

[len84pa]

Lease rates, % of profits to TV, too many rules on how & when I must run my business.

What we don't need are swim suit & sea shell stores.

[CWGUY]

I would very much like to see Costco come some where near TV

Why didn't anyone else think of that? :ohdear:

[rick@sundstrom.com]

True, there are empty spaces in Brownwood. As to the reasons why, only the villages management knows, the rest is all speculation. If you read the recent article in the Sun with respect to the Forbes ratings, the cost of doing business in the villages is not bad. So far as the " % " charged to the businesses by the " villages " that is likely a statement offered by folks who never operated a retail business in a shopping center of one sort or another. Many centers charge this " % ". Brownwood is another great place of all to visit and my guess is that as more homes are sold in this area additional businesses will open.

[michtofla]

Brownwood is just in a bad spot. It's at the outer extremity of The Villages and way too close to Wildwood. Years ago the new town was supposed to be in Lake Deaton. There were mock ups of it in the sales center for quite awhile. Then the location got changed to Brownwood. Big mistake!

[Bonny]

Brownwood is just in a bad spot. It's at the outer extremity of The Villages and way too close to Wildwood. Years ago the new town was supposed to be in Lake Deaton. There were mock ups of it in the sales center for quite awhile. Then the location got changed to Brownwood. Big mistake!
What's the problem being close to Wildwood ? That's just more people to spend money & help support the businesses.

[RickeyD]

Brownwood is just in a bad spot. It's at the outer extremity of The Villages and way too close to Wildwood. Years ago the new town was supposed to be in Lake Deaton. There were mock ups of it in the sales center for quite awhile. Then the location got changed to Brownwood. Big mistake!


I guess they figured that being on 44 would bring in people. It's the only town square as such. What I don't like is there is no water feature of any kind as there is in Spanish Springs. I also don't like the small town square with the stadium seating. Not very park like. A town square should have more greenery, comfortable seating and overall feel inviting, which it's not. Also, the cattle town theme reminds me of all those kiddie theme parks where they deputize the kids, and give them cap guns to go chase down the bank robber. We live closer to Brownwood, but rarely go there. Lake Sumter is my favorite and always will be.

[dewilson58]

I like BW. Initially was not excited about the "western"style, but it has grown on me. Like the other Town Squares...............it's a Town Square. Some places to eat, some places to shop, a place to hang, a place to catch a movie. Retailers are going to come and go, but I'm enjoying the journey.

[Jima64]

Brownwood is just in a bad spot. It's at the outer extremity of The Villages and way too close to Wildwood. Years ago the new town was supposed to be in Lake Deaton. There were mock ups of it in the sales center for quite awhile. Then the location got changed to Brownwood. Big mistake!
Is there a fear that the shopping area will be inundated with much younger people referring to being so close ro Wildwood? As to the fees charged, the vuilders have to get the money for infrastructure paid back somehow.

[Bonny]

I guess they figured that being on 44 would bring in people. It's the only town square as such. What I don't like is there is no water feature of any kind as there is in Spanish Springs. I also don't like the small town square with the stadium seating. Not very park like. A town square should have more greenery, comfortable seating and overall feel inviting, which it's not. Also, the cattle town theme reminds me of all those kiddie theme parks where they deputize the kids, and give them cap guns to go chase down the bank robber. We live closer to Brownwood, but rarely go there. Lake Sumter is my favorite and always will be.
We love Sumter as well, however, being from Michigan, I like the looks of Brownwood and the familiar feeling thinking of Brownwood in Michigan. We used to go to Torch Lake quite often. It's fun to see the street names that I remember.
I do agree though that I don't like the stadium seating.

[NYGUY]

I guess they figured that being on 44 would bring in people. It's the only town square as such.

HUGH???....The only town square as such???....Spanish Springs is located on the highly commercialized 441 and adjacent to Lady Lake. The purpose being to draw locals to the square, and, it does....just like Brownwood was designed!!

[RickeyD]

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[Sable99]

We love Sumter as well, however, being from Michigan, I like the looks of Brownwood and the familiar feeling thinking of Brownwood in Michigan. We used to go to Torch Lake quite often. It's fun to see the street names that I remember.
I do agree though that I don't like the stadium seating.

l love Sumter too but I'm also from Michigan. I love to see the streets like Petosky and Interlochen, etc. Mom and I are going to Traverse City for Labor Day and I hope to go over to Torch Lake!

Luckily, our home is between Lake Sumter and Brownwood.

[Bonny]

l love Sumter too but I'm also from Michigan. I love to see the streets like Petosky and Interlochen, etc. Mom and I are going to Traverse City for Labor Day and I hope to go over to Torch Lake!

Luckily, our home is between Lake Sumter and Brownwood.
Have a wonderful trip !

[joldnol]

What is up with the abnormal fear of Wildwood? I don't understand it.

[Barefoot]

It's the only town square as such.

I don't understand what the above statement means. :confused:

Anyway, I think it's great that the three town squares are so different and unique.
I love the western theme of Brownwood.
All three Town Squares rely on residents from the surrounding communities to come to TV for shopping and movies and restaurants. Why should the residents of Wildwood not be welcome in TV?

[graciegirl]

Class, please read and summarize.

[golf2140]

One of these days the Morse family will learn how to run a business and make money !!!!!

[Bonny]

One of these days the Morse family will learn how to run a business and make money !!!!!
:coolsmiley: :bigbow:

[Shimpy]

As a comparison to LSL, that square opened in 2007 and yet Panera's didn't open until May 2011.

John, that building didn't set empty for all that time. It was occupied by The Veranda which I much preferred with servers taking orders and you could get regular breakfasts.

[obxgal]

Loved the Veranda, wish it was still there.

[dotti105]

It appears to me as though all 3 town squares rely on outside business. We see young couples, perhaps on dates, and families who do not appear to be with "Grandmom and Granddad". If the squares did not draw business from "off campus", none of them would be as successful as Spanish Spring and Lake Sumter are now.

We personally LOVE the stadium seating in Brownwood. You have a much better view of the action and it is great for people watching. We also enjoy the Western Theme, it is as much old Florida as it is old Michigan.

I think that when the strip centers on 44 start being busy, more restaurants will look at Brownwood and see the location as a real asset.

I do think it will be as busy as LSL in a few years. We just have to be patient.....

[michtofla]

Read the police blotter reports for Wildwood compared to Lake Sumter and Lady Lake. A friend of mine made a reservation at a hotel on Wildwood and got lost. Asked a policeman for directions and they told them that they shouldn't spend the night in Wildwood because it was unsafe.

[JoMar]

Read the police blotter reports for Wildwood compared to Lake Sumter and Lady Lake. A friend of mine made a reservation at a hotel on Wildwood and got lost. Asked a policeman for directions and they told them that they shouldn't spend the night in Wildwood because it was unsafe.

There is a hotel in Wildwood? I suspect your friend was looking for a cheap stay since all the chains have hotels around here. Put up the barbed wire, buy the ammunition and I'm sure you will feel safer.

[Bogie Shooter]

Read the police blotter reports for Wildwood compared to Lake Sumter and Lady Lake. A friend of mine made a reservation at a hotel on Wildwood and got lost. Asked a policeman for directions and they told them that they shouldn't spend the night in Wildwood because it was unsafe.

Second hand info?
There are a lot of good people in Wildwood, bad apples too. Just like the bad apples we have in TV.
What do you gain by smearing Wildwood?

[dbussone]

There is a hotel in Wildwood? I suspect your friend was looking for a cheap stay since all the chains have hotels around here. Put up the barbed wire, buy the ammunition and I'm sure you will feel safer.


It's on the left just before you get to the Turnpike.

[BS Beef]

The "Western" theme is based on the cattle industry history around there not Michigan. The naming is all up north though. I remember Brownwood (Michigan) back in the day and it was something else. I still go there every time I'm up there…..it's been 2 years now. Always load up on jams, jelly, mustard and such.

I personally have only been through BW on the tour bus (right when WOB opened). I'm sure once the development around it fills out more merchants will be interested.

Interesting thread, enjoyed reading all the twists and turns :coolsmiley:

[RickeyD]

I don't understand what the above statement means. :confused:

Anyway, I think it's great that the three town squares are so different and unique.
I love the western theme of Brownwood.
All three Town Squares rely on residents from the surrounding communities to come to TV for shopping and movies and restaurants. Why should the residents of Wildwood not be welcome in TV?


The bronze cattle, the large Brownwood sign directly on 44. Let's face it. The people in Wildwood come only to enjoy the free entertainment. They can't afford to shop or eat in Brownwood. I'm no snob, I'm a successful tradesman that has no qualms telling in like it is. For the most part, the people in Wildwood are what we Northerners think of when we think of the typical Florida local. There, I've said it. May the arrows start flying in my direction now...

[graciegirl]

I cringe to think what people in Wildwood think of us with some of the previous remarks. People are just people and are not defined by where they live. There is a little bit of good in the worst of us and a little bit of bad in the best of us and all of us can sure tell a lot about how each of us was raised.


The difference between Wildwood and the Villages is that we don't have pockets of poor people, we have pockets of selfish and unkind and self absorbed and entitled people. Well not pockets, but glaring examples, how's that? Many of us have been poor. Many of us have had far less than we have now, but thankfully, many of us have been raised with respect and consideration for others.


sigh.

[Spinning3]

Well said, Gracie!

[cmj1210]

I cringe to think what people in Wildwood think of us with some of the previous remarks. People are just people and are not defined by where they live. There is a little bit of good in the worst of us and a little bit of bad in the best of us and all of us can sure tell a lot about how each of us was raised.


The difference between Wildwood and the Villages is that we don't have pockets of poor people, we have pockets of selfish and unkind and self absorbed and entitled people. Well not pockets, but glaring examples, how's that? Many of us have been poor. Many of us have had far less than we have now, but thankfully, many of us have been raised with respect and consideration for others, but not all.


sigh.


Bravo Gracie. [emoji106]🏻

[jblum315]

By the way, it's Paddock Square, not Brownwood square

[NYGUY]

Interesting thread, enjoyed reading all the twists and turns :coolsmiley:

It's nice to know others read the entire thread before posting. Most don't, resulting in the same response being posted over and over. Good job..:clap2:

[NYGUY]

May the arrows start flying in my direction now...

:throwtomatoes:
(couldn't find any arrows)

[RickeyD]

I cringe to think what people in Wildwood think of us with some of the previous remarks. People are just people and are not defined by where they live. There is a little bit of good in the worst of us and a little bit of bad in the best of us and all of us can sure tell a lot about how each of us was raised.


The difference between Wildwood and the Villages is that we don't have pockets of poor people, we have pockets of selfish and unkind and self absorbed and entitled people. Well not pockets, but glaring examples, how's that? Many of us have been poor. Many of us have had far less than we have now, but thankfully, many of us have been raised with respect and consideration for others.


sigh.


Sorry Gracie, but all people are not the same. Values for one, work ethic for another. Simply because you are poor does not entitle you to live like a pig or raise your children to think they are entitled to government handouts. This cuts across all racial lines and all ethnicities. I considers myself a social liberal, but I will NEVER understand why people simply because they earn less money then myself show the world that they could care less of their surroundings, can't pick up a wrapper, and can't pick themselves up by their bootstraps and improve their lives for themselves and their family.

[MikeyBoo54]

I cringe to think what people in Wildwood think of us with some of the previous remarks. People are just people and are not defined by where they live. There is a little bit of good in the worst of us and a little bit of bad in the best of us and all of us can sure tell a lot about how each of us was raised.


The difference between Wildwood and the Villages is that we don't have pockets of poor people, we have pockets of selfish and unkind and self absorbed and entitled people. Well not pockets, but glaring examples, how's that? Many of us have been poor. Many of us have had far less than we have now, but thankfully, many of us have been raised with respect and consideration for others.


sigh.

Very nice Gracie!

[Bonny]

Sorry Gracie, but all people are not the same. Values for one, work ethic for another. Simply because you are poor does not entitle you to live like a pig or raise your children to think they are entitled to government handouts. This cuts across all racial lines and all ethnicities. I considers myself a social liberal, but I will NEVER understand why people simply because they earn less money then myself show the world that they could care less of their surroundings, can't pick up a wrapper, and can't pick themselves up by their bootstraps and improve their lives for themselves and their family.
Is this in reference to people who live in Wildwood ?

[RickeyD]

Is this in reference to people who live in Wildwood ?


It applies to anyone struggling to make ends meet and has the potential to do better.

[slipcovers]

I think the days of small business, retail shops, are gone or nearly gone. The fact is, they just can't compete with the big shops or the internet. Everyone is looking for a bargain and the best price available. Not only in TV but across the country.

[tomwed]

I think the days of small business, retail shops, are gone or nearly gone. The fact is, they just can't compete with the big shops or the internet. Everyone is looking for a bargain and the best price available. Not only in TV but across the country.
You're right. That means it's time to think outside the envelope.

Where I lived in New Jersey we had a county college that had a special building that allowed entrepreneurs free office space for a year to get a business going. They especially supported high tech.

With 100k people maybe we could each throw in $5 and help support a deli or and bakery's rent for a year in a town square. After a year they would be on their own. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/images/smilies/blahblahblah.gif

ps As you can see I don't use a lot of emoticons.

[Barefoot]

The people in Wildwood come only to enjoy the free entertainment. They can't afford to shop or eat in Brownwood. I'm no snob .......

What a sweeping generalization. Talk about tarring with a broad brush.:ohdear:
There are lots of respectable and worthy residents in Wildwood.

[dbussone]

What a sweeping generalization. Talk about tarring with a broad brush.:ohdear:
There are lots of respectable and worthy residents in Wildwood.


Amen. We have some wonderful friends who live in Wildwood.

[RickeyD]

What a sweeping generalization. Talk about tarring with a broad brush.:ohdear:
There are lots of respectable and worthy residents in Wildwood.


Yep, it is generalizing. Nothing or no one specifically. Kinda like you tell someone you're from the Bronx. People visualize one thing and they might be right, or very much wrong. There is a section of the Bronx called Riverdale. A good solid middle/upper middle neighborhood. The people in Riverdale never say their from the Bronx, only Riverdale. It is what it is Barefoot. I don't make the rules, I'm just an observer [emoji51]

[Bogie Shooter]

Yep, it is generalizing. Nothing or no one specifically. Kinda like you tell someone you're from the Bronx. People visualize one thing and they might be right, or very much wrong. There is a section of the Bronx called Riverdale. A good solid middle/upper middle neighborhood. The people in Riverdale never say their from the Bronx, only Riverdale. It is what it is Barefoot. I don't make the rules, I'm just an observer [emoji51]

Kinda like the snobs in Lake Deaton!
Now doesn't that sound stupid?

[RickeyD]

Kinda like the snobs in Lake Deaton!

Now doesn't that sound stupid?


I work with my hands for a living Bogie ain't no snob. [emoji6] Just an observer [emoji56]

[RickeyD]

Just a broad brush...........like you used with your Wildwood post.


Guilty as charged ! Pretty much like they taught me years ago... Kill'em all, let God sort 'em out. [emoji108]🏻

[Bogie Shooter]

Guilty as charged ! Pretty much like they taught me years ago... Kill'em all, let God sort 'em out. [emoji108]🏻

I rest my case.

[RickeyD]

I rest my case.


Amen [emoji120]🏻

[skip0358]

All I can say is Wildwood has come a long way since we moved here in 09 from Long Island. New businesses have come in, the Shopping Center is cleaned up a few new Restaurants. In case some people don't know even some of the new houses and the Publix Shopping Center are within the Wildwood City limits. Yea as others have said there are bad Apples but guess hat they're everywhere including TV and oh yea good ole Long Island. I to worked with my hands and still do. I even Volunteered with Habitat and built several homes in Wildwood. So yes the area is improving. I shop there often and even use their Post Office, Ace Hardware, Nordic Pawn,The Red Door, Russel Stover, the Bike Shop and before they closed the Old Winn Dixie before it closed. Never had a problem with anybody. JMO

[Barefoot]

Guilty as charged ! Pretty much like they taught me years ago... Kill'em all, let God sort 'em out. :faint:I'm quite sure that God wouldn't be in favor of that plan.

[graciegirl]

Rickey d. Rickey d. Rickey d.

[CFrance]

:faint:I'm quite sure that God wouldn't be in favor of that plan.

Rickey d. Rickey d. Rickey d.
Don't even grace such trolling jacka$$ery with a reply.

[Barefoot]

Don't even grace such trolling jacka$$ery with a reply. :thumbup:

[Chatbrat]

We really need a good carwash on rt.44-something like Atlantis

[outlaw]

Don't even grace such trolling jacka$$ery with a reply.

WOW! You could just say you disagree. No need to be abusive.

[graciegirl]

Don't even grace such trolling jacka$$ery with a reply.



Well said.

[outlaw]

Well said.

Not really.

[graciegirl]

Not really.


potkettle?



No one should say even in jest to shoot a bunch of folks. Their moms would get after them good if they heard such nastiness.


Read back fella.

[CFrance]

I work with my hands for a living Bogie ain't no snob. [emoji6] Just an observer [emoji56]
I never did think Bogie was a snob.

[outlaw]

potkettle?



No one should say even in jest to shoot a bunch of folks. Their moms would get after them good if they heard such nastiness.


Read back fella.

It's a saying, kettlepot.

[graciegirl]

It's a saying, kettlepot.



Yes.

I

KNOW.


Also, if the shoe fits, wear it.

[Barefoot]

Pretty much like they taught me years ago... Kill'em all, let God sort 'em out. [emoji108]��

It's a saying.

If that saying was meant to be funny, IMHO, it missed the mark. :ohdear:
And definitely not on the topic of businesses in Brownwood.

[kstew43]

Brownwood will more than likely become a center of residential when they open the 3 new subdivisions on 501. So I think......anyway....

[RickeyD]

:faint:I'm quite sure that God wouldn't be in favor of that plan.


My job was difficult enough. It may have been easier if 100K of my generation didn't evade the draft. God was on my side and I don't regret what I had to do. Better them then me.

[dbussone]

Brownwood will more than likely become a center of residential when they open the 3 new subdivisions on 501. So I think......anyway....


??? Which 3 are you talking about? And why would a road on the south side of the turnpike influence Brownwood to become a "residential"?

[Bogie Shooter]

Brownwood will more than likely become a center of residential when they open the 3 new subdivisions on 501. So I think......anyway....

Where is 501?

[kstew43]

Where is 501?

when you cross 44/morse you are on 468, then when you go directly past where the new turnpike on/off ramp will be, first road on the left...501.

They are building 3 new developments, or so I have heard, on that road and I know of 2 that have signs up already on 468 past the new on/off ramps........

so it seems, there will be lots more people/developments surrounding Brownwood. They are not owned by the Villages though....I don't think anyway..

[kstew43]

??? Which 3 are you talking about? And why would a road on the south side of the turnpike influence Brownwood to become a "residential"?

more residential developments surrounding Brownwood will bring in more income and commercial sales for Brownwood, right?.

More developments means more people spending money. They also sold 4000 acres on 470 which connects to 501/ 468 and straight into the villages on Morse..

I think Brownwood will except anyones money......whether your a villager or not....

[dbussone]

You are correct