Tree Cutting News

[manaboutown]

Is total compensation for all cost incured and disclosure of the name of the agreeving parties , in any way, "a pound of flesh"?

Actually that would amount only to mere restitution and, IMHO quite generously, forgiveness of all criminal behavior.

[Bogie Shooter]

My understanding is that Civil Compromise of a Criminal Action is a No, No. However, if the payment of $25K+ satisfies the TOTAL obligation, why beat a dead horse.
I am also concerned as to why the estimate of $50K+ was being bandied about by the powers that be when it seems, that they were wiling to settle, without consequences, for less than half of the "estimated cost."

How do you know it has been "settled"?

[Bogie Shooter]

Is total compensation for all cost incured and disclosure of the name of the agreeving parties , in any way, "a pound of flesh"?

At this point.....yes.

[Challenger]

At this point.....yes.

At what point are we?

[Bogie Shooter]

The fat lady will soon be singing.

[Villageswimmer]

The fat lady will soon be singing.
Very cryptic. Could you please 'splain?

[Bogie Shooter]

Very cryptic. Could you please 'splain?

You are not required to explain your posts.............isn't that obvious on this thread?

[Mleeja]

The fat lady will soon be singing.

I think the lady has laryngitis. This tread will never end.... :popcorn:

[outlaw]

Vindictiveness is a character flaw.

[Advogado]

I think the lady has laryngitis. This tread will never end.... :popcorn:

Hopefully, this thread will not end before:

1. We have an explanation of what actually transpired here, and

2. The perpetrator(s) are compelled to follow the normal rules of our criminal justice system and not get away with subverting it by using a phony front organization to make restitution and avoid facing the music for the felony committed here. By the way, although the crime carries a five-year prison sentence, I wouldn't be upset with a suspended sentence, a fine, and restitution. What does upset me is the procedure that SEEMS (the Daily Sun has never published all the facts) to have been followed here.

[outlaw]

Hopefully, this thread will not end before:

1. We have an explanation of what actually transpired here, and

2. The perpetrator(s) are compelled to follow the normal rules of our criminal justice system and not get away with subverting it by using a phony front organization to make restitution and avoid facing the music for the felony committed here. By the way, although the crime carries a five-year prison sentence, I wouldn't be upset with a suspended sentence, a fine, and restitution. What does upset me is the procedure that SEEMS (the Daily Sun has never published all the facts) to have been followed here.

WOW! For cutting down 4 or 5 undocumented trees. We have lost our collective minds and freedom.

[graciegirl]

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[asianthree]

Has there ever been a thread that has almost 18000 hits

[Advogado]

WOW! For cutting down 4 or 5 undocumented trees. We have lost our collective minds and freedom.

In my view and probably the view of most people, we have lost neither our minds nor our freedom. You seem very willing to let the perpetrator(s) of a malicious act against all of us circumvent the criminal justice system. This is not a matter of somebody cutting down trees on his own property.

The perpetrator(s) here caused about $40,000 in damage to the property of another (in this case, our property as citizens of Florida). That would be a felony in any state, and it is here in Florida too. Here is the statute, if you are interested: Chapter 806 Section 13 - 2012 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/806.13)

By the way, are "undocumented" trees like undocumented (as opposed to "illegal") immigrants?:)

[CFrance]

WOW! For cutting down 4 or 5 undocumented trees. We have lost our collective minds and freedom.
Undocumented trees...:ohdear:

And it wasn't four or five.

[graciegirl]

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[CFrance]

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Very good advice.:boxing2:

[Cedwards38]

Has there ever been a thread that has almost 18000 hits

18K on this one, and this is about the third or fourth thread on the subject. The others had lots of hits too. It seems that Villagers are interested in this topic.

[Challenger]

In my view and probably the view of most people, we have lost neither our minds nor our freedom. You seem very willing to let the perpetrator(s) of a malicious act against all of us circumvent the criminal justice system. This is not a matter of somebody cutting down trees on his own property.

The perpetrator(s) here caused about $40,000 in damage to the property of another (in this case, our property as citizens of Florida). That would be a felony in any state, and it is here in Florida too. Here is the statute, if you are interested: Chapter 806 Section 13 - 2012 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/806.13)

By the way, are "undocumented" trees like undocumented (as opposed to "illegal") immigrants?:)

This is serious stuff and it makes me wonder why a few posters are so anxious to see the desire for justice go away.

See my signature quote:boom:

[Mleeja]

This is serious stuff and it makes me wonder why a few posters are so anxious to see the desire for justice go away.

See my signature quote:boom:

Here are some reasons....

1. In the July 17th meeting of the District 5 Board of Supervisors Meeting aprroved an offer of amensty if the cost to District 5 was reimbursed.

2. The restoration is complete and there appears to be no further monitoring that will be required (See the Distric 5 Meeting minutes)

3. District 5 is the ONLY "injured party" and through thier offer has chosen not to pursue legal action if reimburssed.

4. On August 3rd a group know as "The Friends of Lake Minoa" repaid District 5 a sum in excess of $25,000 (See the Daily Sun article) This paymnet satifies the requirements of the offer from the District 5 Board of Supervisors.

5. I did not see in the upcoming agenda for the August meeting for District 5 that this topic was going to be discusssed.

I do not know where the $40,000 number came from. I think it was something that was thrown out here and struck. To my knowledge there has not been an official publication of the total cost.

What I want to know is "why" those who continue to press this issue want "the pound of flesh to be extracted"? Will they sleep better at night? Is it going to make a difference in their lives? Are they going to feel better about themselves becasue someone elses lives have been damaged?

If the District 5 Supervisors, the ONLY injured party, are satisifed, then the issue should die. If you do not live is District 5, you do not have a dog in this hunt.

The next District 5 meeting is this coming Friday at 8:00 am at the Lake Minoa Rec Center. If you are a poster on this site against the settlement, show up to the meeting and express your displeasure. Put up or shut up! MHO....

[CFrance]

Here are some reasons....

1. In the July 17th meeting of the District 5 Board of Supervisors Meeting aprroved an offer of amensty if the cost to District 5 was reimbursed.

2. The restoration is complete and there appears to be no further monitoring that will be required (See the Distric 5 Meeting minutes)

3. District 5 is the ONLY "injured party" and through thier offer has chosen not to pursue legal action if reimburssed.

4. On August 3rd a group know as "The Friends of Lake Minoa" repaid District 5 a sum in excess of $25,000 (See the Daily Sun article) This paymnet satifies the requirements of the offer from the District 5 Board of Supervisors.

5. I did not see in the upcoming agenda for the August meeting for District 5 that this topic was going to be discusssed.

I do not know where the $40,000 number came from. I think it was something that was thrown out here and struck. To my knowledge there has not been an official publication of the total cost.

What I want to know is "why" those who continue to press this issue want "the pound of flesh to be extracted"? Will they sleep better at night? Is it going to make a difference in their lives? Are they going to feel better about themselves becasue someone elses lives have been damaged?

If the District 5 Supervisors, the ONLY injured party, are satisifed, then the issue should die. If you do not live is District 5, you do not have a dog in this hunt.

The next District 5 meeting is this coming Friday at 8:00 am at the Lake Minoa Rec Center. If you are a poster on this site against the settlement, show up to the meeting and express your displeasure, or shut up! MHO....
#3. district 5 was NOT the only injured party, since many districts were slated to pay restoration.

The perps have gone unpunished. And I do believe that if public pressure had not been applied, this would have been swept under the rug. Do we have to go through this all over again sometime in the future when some arrogant jerks decide to suit their own purposes, or will someone be brought to justice now as a deterrent to others? Money means nothing to some people.

[Challenger]

Here are some reasons....

1. In the July 17th meeting of the District 5 Board of Supervisors Meeting aprroved an offer of amensty if the cost to District 5 was reimbursed.

2. The restoration is complete and there appears to be no further monitoring that will be required (See the Distric 5 Meeting minutes)

3. District 5 is the ONLY "injured party" and through thier offer has chosen not to pursue legal action if reimburssed.

4. On August 3rd a group know as "The Friends of Lake Minoa" repaid District 5 a sum in excess of $25,000 (See the Daily Sun article) This paymnet satifies the requirements of the offer from the District 5 Board of Supervisors.

5. I did not see in the upcoming agenda for the August meeting for District 5 that this topic was going to be discusssed.

I do not know where the $40,000 number came from. I think it was something that was thrown out here and struck. To my knowledge there has not been an official publication of the total cost.

What I want to know is "why" those who continue to press this issue want "the pound of flesh to be extracted"? Will they sleep better at night? Is it going to make a difference in their lives? Are they going to feel better about themselves becasue someone elses lives have been damaged?

If the District 5 Supervisors, the ONLY injured party, are satisifed, then the issue should die. If you do not live is District 5, you do not have a dog in this hunt.

The next District 5 meeting is this coming Friday at 8:00 am at the Lake Minoa Rec Center. If you are a poster on this site against the settlement, show up to the meeting and express your displeasure. Put up or shut up! MHO....

What about the reported $30,000 fine? Shared by a number of Districts.

[biker1]

Perhaps they are friends of the people who cut down the trees?


This is serious stuff and it makes me wonder why a few posters are so anxious to see the desire for justice go away.

See my signature quote:boom:

[Challenger]

Perhaps they are friends of the people who cut down the trees?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm!!!

[Mleeja]

#3. district 5 was NOT the only injured party, since many districts were slated to pay restoration.

The perps have gone unpunished. And I do believe that if public pressure had not been applied, this would have been swept under the rug. Do we have to go through this all over again sometime in the future when some arrogant jerks decide to suit their own purposes, or will someone be brought to justice now as a deterrent to others? Money means nothing to some people.

The reply highlighted is not correct. I have copied the statment from the Disrtict 5 meeting minutes. "Ms. Tutt advised that District 5 is the owner of the property and would be the “victim” in this case." I also think that comments from this site had very little in the decision to offer a settlement by the District Supervisors. The "perps" have been punished to the tune of $25,000+. Restitution has been made. It has been a very expensive lesson for someone.

[CFrance]

The reply highlighted is not correct. I have copied the statment from the Disrtict 5 meeting minutes. "Ms. Tutt advised that District 5 is the owner of the property and would be the “victim” in this case." I also think that comments from this site had very little in the decision to offer a settlement by the District Supervisors. The "perps" have been punished to the tune of $25,000+. Restitution has been made. It has been a very expensive lesson for someone.
The fine payment was to be distributed to more than district 5. That was known from the start.

It is most certainly is correct. From an article in Feb. on the online news site:

"The good news for CDD 5 residents is that they won’t foot the cost of restoration alone.
The cost of restoration is estimated to run from $30,000 to $50,000 and will be shared by districts in the Project Wide Advisory Committee."

[Mleeja]

The fine payment was to be distributed to more than district 5. That was known from the start.

It is most certainly is correct. From an article in Feb. on the online news site:

"The good news for CDD 5 residents is that they won’t foot the cost of restoration alone.
The cost of restoration is estimated to run from $30,000 to $50,000 and will be shared by districts in the Project Wide Advisory Committee."

I'll trust my quote from the July 2015 District 5 Board Meeting minutes rather than a quote from last February from an on-line news source. Lots has changed since then.....

[Challenger]

The reply highlighted is not correct. I have copied the statment from the Disrtict 5 meeting minutes. "Ms. Tutt advised that District 5 is the owner of the property and would be the “victim” in this case." I also think that comments from this site had very little in the decision to offer a settlement by the District Supervisors. The "perps" have been punished to the tune of $25,000+. Restitution has been made. It has been a very expensive lesson for someone.

Restitution is hardly punishment for an illegal act. it is simply what you owe.

[CFrance]

I'll trust my quote from the July 2015 District 5 Board Meeting minutes rather than a quote from last February from an on-line news source. Lots has changed since then.....
No it hasn't. Was always going to be borne by several districts, just like the payment for fixing the bridge.

[Cedwards38]

The terms of amnesty or immunity from prosecution requires someone to come forward and admit guilt. No one has done that. The payment from the mysterious "Friends of Lake Miona" was simply a bribe to look the other way and forget. Those who believe in justice will never do that.

[manaboutown]

IMHO the $25K is pocket change to the "Felons of Lake Miona". Their hubris I find positively revolting which is why I persist in posting. They have yet to even receive a slap on the hand!

[outlaw]

This is starting to remind me of the "villagers" marching as a mob through the town center towards the house where the alleged witch lived, yanking her out of her house and carrying her to her death.

[Mleeja]

I will be intersted to see how many of those who are protesting the settlement show up at the District 5 meeting on Friday and express thier views.... Or maybe the POA could sue and waste another $350,000 of our money.

[Challenger]

My guess is that most of us who are posting would settle for a simple accounting of all costs incured by the CDDs and total "reimbursement" of the those costs along with public disclosure of the names of those responsible for the "cutting".

Hardly seems like mob action.

If the cutters had come forward earlier, paid the fine and mitigation costs, and apologised, these issues would now be largely forgotten. They have chosen to do otherwise and now the "Piper's price is growing.

Now the "Friends" are incurring legal costs which would grow substantially if this festers into a criminal prosecution outcome

[Chi-Town]

A long time ago in a thread far, far away I thought I read that a settlement was made, and that prosecution was no longer an option.

[bagboy]

I will be intersted to see how many of those who are protesting the settlement show up at the District 5 meeting on Friday and express thier views.... Or maybe the POA could sue and waste another $350,000 of our money.

I am waiting for the online news report if there will be one. And I think you touched on a topic that will be a new thread with who knows how many posts.

[Mleeja]

A long time ago in a thread far, far away I thought I read that a settlement was made, and that prosecution was no longer an option.

You are quite correct. An offer was made and accepted. The offer contained that the responsible parties could remain anonymous and the district would not press charges. Some cannot accept the fact that this has occured. The only place this battle rages on is in this forum.

We will never know the "who" and the amount repaid. All we know from the published report in the DS was the amount was north of $25,000.

[Chi-Town]

You are quite correct. An offer was made and accepted. The offer contained that the responsible parties could remain anonymous and the district would not press charges. Some cannot accept the fact that this has occured. The only place this battle rages on is in this forum.

We will never know the "who" and the amount repaid. All we know from the published report in the DS was the amount was north of $25,000.
Thanks Mieeja for the recap. Beating a dead horse must be agenda driven for some.

[Challenger]

You are quite correct. An offer was made and accepted. The offer contained that the responsible parties could remain anonymous and the district would not press charges. Some cannot accept the fact that this has occured. The only place this battle rages on is in this forum.

We will never know the "who" and the amount repaid. All we know from the published report in the DS was the amount was north of $25,000.

If this is correct, CDD5 owes a public explanation of the total costs suffered by citizens and the amount paid in settlement. Anything less will perpetuate the speculation that there is "something rotten in Denmark"

Even with the disclosure , the smell may persist.

[Mleeja]

If this is correct, CDD5 owes a public explanation of the total costs suffered by citizens and the amount paid in settlement. Anything less will perpetuate the speculation that there is "something rotten in Denmark"

Even with the disclosure , the smell may persist.

I have copied the minutes on this topic from the July District 5 Board Meeting. They are available on-line for those who doubt.

"THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS: Old Business Status Update
Ms. Tutt advised there were no items to be addressed under Old Business.
Vice Chairman Kadow referred to the cutting of the trees in the Bridgeport of Lake Miona Shore conservation area and suggested that the Board consider waiving prosecution of any individual(s), if full restitution for remediation costs is received. Ms. Tutt advised she had a previous discussion with Vice Chairman Kadow and has inquired with the State Attorney’s Office regarding the suggestion not to prosecute and was advised that if the victim, the District, is not interested in moving forward with prosecution, that there would be no movement on the State Attorney’s part to proceed with prosecution.
Chairman Martin inquired about the likelihood of receiving full restitution. Vice Chairman Kadow stated he believes the possibility of receiving restitution is good.
Supervisor Wildzunas requested clarification of the proposal being presented. Ms. Tutt advised the suggestion made by Vice Chairman Kadow was that if restitution was made that prosecution of the individual(s) not occur.
Supervisor Knoll inquired if the Board chose to approve waiving prosecution, would the existing investigation be closed by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office (SCSO). Ms. Tutt advised at this point, there have been no leads on the case.
Supervisor Ferlisi stated because the remediation was paid through the Project Wide fund would this Board have the option to pursue or not pursue. Ms. Tutt advised that District 5 is the owner of the property and would be the “victim” in this case.
Mr. Wartinbee advised the District received notification from the Southwest Florida Water Management District (SWFWMD) that the remediation has been completed. At that point, there has been no statement regarding future monitoring.
On MOTION by Gary Kadow, seconded by Chuck Wildzunas, with all in favor, the Board approved waiving prosecution should individual(s) come forward with full restitution to date, based on Staff analysis."

You arguement is not with me... The next District 5 Meeting is Friday.

[outlaw]

My guess is that most of us who are posting would settle for a simple accounting of all costs incured by the CDDs and total "reimbursement" of the those costs along with public disclosure of the names of those responsible for the "cutting".

Hardly seems like mob action.

If the cutters had come forward earlier, paid the fine and mitigation costs, and apologised, these issues would now be largely forgotten. They have chosen to do otherwise and now the "Piper's price is growing.

Now the "Friends" are incurring legal costs which would grow substantially if this festers into a criminal prosecution outcome

Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. It's over!

[Barefoot]

. Or maybe the POA could sue and waste another $350,000 of our money.
The POA doesn't have access to "our money".

[Barefoot]

You are quite correct. An offer was made and accepted. The offer contained that the responsible parties could remain anonymous and the district would not press charges. Some cannot accept the fact that this has occured. The only place this battle rages on is in this forum.

We will never know the "who" and the amount repaid. All we know from the published report in the DS was the amount was north of $25,000.
Good summary.

[manaboutown]

I have copied the minutes on this topic from the July District 5 Board Meeting. They are available on-line for those who doubt.

"THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS: Old Business Status Update
Ms. Tutt advised there were no items to be addressed under Old Business.
Vice Chairman Kadow referred to the cutting of the trees in the Bridgeport of Lake Miona Shore conservation area and suggested that the Board consider waiving prosecution of any individual(s), if full restitution for remediation costs is received. Ms. Tutt advised she had a previous discussion with Vice Chairman Kadow and has inquired with the State Attorney’s Office regarding the suggestion not to prosecute and was advised that if the victim, the District, is not interested in moving forward with prosecution, that there would be no movement on the State Attorney’s part to proceed with prosecution.
Chairman Martin inquired about the likelihood of receiving full restitution. Vice Chairman Kadow stated he believes the possibility of receiving restitution is good.
Supervisor Wildzunas requested clarification of the proposal being presented. Ms. Tutt advised the suggestion made by Vice Chairman Kadow was that if restitution was made that prosecution of the individual(s) not occur.
Supervisor Knoll inquired if the Board chose to approve waiving prosecution, would the existing investigation be closed by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office (SCSO). Ms. Tutt advised at this point, there have been no leads on the case.
Supervisor Ferlisi stated because the remediation was paid through the Project Wide fund would this Board have the option to pursue or not pursue. Ms. Tutt advised that District 5 is the owner of the property and would be the “victim” in this case.
Mr. Wartinbee advised the District received notification from the Southwest Florida Water Management District (SWFWMD) that the remediation has been completed. At that point, there has been no statement regarding future monitoring.
On MOTION by Gary Kadow, seconded by Chuck Wildzunas, with all in favor, the Board approved waiving prosecution should individual(s) come forward with full restitution to date, based on Staff analysis."

You arguement is not with me... The next District 5 Meeting is Friday.

Very, very interesting...Could one interpret this as "friends taking care of friends" considering possibly close relations among the parties involved on both sides of the situation?

[Mleeja]

The POA doesn't have access to "our money".

I was making reference to the article on the front page of todya's DS. "Class-Action Lawsuit Diswmissed With Prejudice" I am sure this will be thourghly discussed in another thread....

[Chi-Town]

Very, very interesting...Could one interpret this as "friends taking care of friends" considering possibly close relations among the parties involved on both sides of the situation?
Funny how the screenshot is different. I guess incestuous is synonymous. [emoji6]

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[billethkid]

As I have been saying since day one the behavior of the what I call the lettered administrators would suggest a not so clear definition of the "who" for very obvious reasons.

Just my opinion.

[Bogie Shooter]

This is starting to remind me of the "villagers" marching as a mob through the town center towards the house where the alleged witch lived, yanking her out of her house and carrying her to her death.
A small number of posters will not rest until the public shaming is completed!
Their logic is beyond comprehension.

[Bogie Shooter]

My guess is that most of us who are posting would settle for a simple accounting of all costs incured by the CDDs and total "reimbursement" of the those costs along with public disclosure of the names of those responsible for the "cutting".

Hardly seems like mob action.

If the cutters had come forward earlier, paid the fine and mitigation costs, and apologised, these issues would now be largely forgotten. They have chosen to do otherwise and now the "Piper's price is growing.

Now the "Friends" are incurring legal costs which would grow substantially if this festers into a criminal prosecution outcome

The beat goes on.

[Bogie Shooter]

If this is correct, CDD5 owes a public explanation of the total costs suffered by citizens and the amount paid in settlement. Anything less will perpetuate the speculation that there is "something rotten in Denmark"

Even with the disclosure , the smell may persist.

Go to their next meeting and ask. And tell them the things you been posting on here. That would take a little courage........

[Bogie Shooter]

The POA doesn't have access to "our money".

You have to re read the article in today's Daily Sun. They wasted our $ by forcing the lawsuit and those $ were the districts legal defense costs.

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=manaboutown;1101872]Very, very interesting...Could one interpret this as "friends taking care of friends" considering possibly close relations among the parties involved on both sides of the situation?[/QUOTE/////

[billethkid]

Me thinks this merry go round has a repititious destination.

[Bogie Shooter]

:laugh::laugh:Me thinks this merry go round has a repititious destination.
:1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

You have to re read the article in today's Daily Sun. They wasted our $ by forcing the lawsuit and those $ were the districts legal defense costs.


I absolutely agree.

[bagboy]

You have to re read the article in today's Daily Sun. They wasted our $ by forcing the lawsuit and those $ were the districts legal defense costs.

The amount of wasted Villagers money with this dismissed lawsuit is 7 times the cost of fines/restoration in the tree cutting incident. The lawsuit seems to have been initiated by a CDD 5 supervisor and the POA. Its so easy to spend and sue when it's not their money. It wasn't long ago that I thought the POA was a good "check and balance" tool for the common Villager. I do not think that anymore.
The surface has only been scratched with respect to CDD supervisors spending Villagers money recklessly. The supervisors should be held legally and financially accountable for their decisions with respect to district funds. And the POA and their board are neither the heroes they think they are, or a Villagers friend.

[Cedwards38]

I have copied the minutes on this topic from the July District 5 Board Meeting. They are available on-line for those who doubt.

"THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS: Old Business Status Update
Ms. Tutt advised there were no items to be addressed under Old Business.
Vice Chairman Kadow referred to the cutting of the trees in the Bridgeport of Lake Miona Shore conservation area and suggested that the Board consider waiving prosecution of any individual(s), if full restitution for remediation costs is received. Ms. Tutt advised she had a previous discussion with Vice Chairman Kadow and has inquired with the State Attorney’s Office regarding the suggestion not to prosecute and was advised that if the victim, the District, is not interested in moving forward with prosecution, that there would be no movement on the State Attorney’s part to proceed with prosecution.
Chairman Martin inquired about the likelihood of receiving full restitution. Vice Chairman Kadow stated he believes the possibility of receiving restitution is good.
Supervisor Wildzunas requested clarification of the proposal being presented. Ms. Tutt advised the suggestion made by Vice Chairman Kadow was that if restitution was made that prosecution of the individual(s) not occur.
Supervisor Knoll inquired if the Board chose to approve waiving prosecution, would the existing investigation be closed by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office (SCSO). Ms. Tutt advised at this point, there have been no leads on the case.
Supervisor Ferlisi stated because the remediation was paid through the Project Wide fund would this Board have the option to pursue or not pursue. Ms. Tutt advised that District 5 is the owner of the property and would be the “victim” in this case.
Mr. Wartinbee advised the District received notification from the Southwest Florida Water Management District (SWFWMD) that the remediation has been completed. At that point, there has been no statement regarding future monitoring.
On MOTION by Gary Kadow, seconded by Chuck Wildzunas, with all in favor, the Board approved waiving prosecution should individual(s) come forward with full restitution to date, based on Staff analysis."

You arguement is not with me... The next District 5 Meeting is Friday.

Thank you. This information is helpful.

Who were the individual(s) who came forward?

[Cedwards38]

A small number of posters will not rest until the public shaming is completed!
Their logic is beyond comprehension.

A small number of posters will not rest until the demand for justice is hushed.
Their logic is beyond comprehension.

[Challenger]

DUI gets punishment and name published in local media
People making love in public places - ditto
Restaurants with very minor health violations- name listed in paper

However, it is to be considered a "pound of flesh" and mob action when citizens ask that the perpetrator of a premeditated crime costing the commuity thousands be outed.
Why are some so bothered by an arrogant bad actor being shamed.

This was all caused by his selfish act and then further compounded by not comming forth to take ownership of his actions for over 9 months.

[manaboutown]

And it was a felony!

[Mleeja]

DUI gets punishment and name published in local media
People making love in public places - ditto
Restaurants with very minor health violations- name listed in paper

However, it is to be considered a "pound of flesh" and mob action when citizens ask that the perpetrator of a premeditated crime costing the commuity thousands be outed.
Why are some so bothered by an arrogant bad actor being shamed.

This was all caused by his selfish act and then further compounded by not comming forth to take ownership of his actions for over 9 months.

In each of the cases listed an arrest was made. In the tree cutting no one has been arrested. Are the names of "potential" offenders supposed to be made public? Lynch mob mentality.....

[Challenger]

In each of the cases listed an arrest was made. In the tree cutting no one has been arrested. Are the names of "potential" offenders supposed to be made public? Lynch mob mentality.....

Not asking that the names be disclosed at this time , only that we keep pressing until the perp is identified. Some have dubbed this effort for "light " to be like a mob act and described the intentions for those seeking justice as wanting a pound of flesh.

I do not favor amnesty in this case, but if granted it should include full restitution. (all costs suffered by the combined CDDs) and the disclosure of the name. What if the guilty parties are government officials or candidates or others weilding authority in the community. We have a right to know.

[Mleeja]

Not asking that the names be disclosed at this time , only that we keep pressing until the perp is identified. Some have dubbed this effort for "light " to be like a mob act and described the intentions for those seeking justice as wanting a pound of flesh.

I do not favor amnesty in this case, but if granted it should include full restitution. (all costs suffered by the combined CDDs) and the disclosure of the name. What if the guilty parties are government officials or candidates or others weilding authority in the community. We have a right to know.

So I'll see you at the District 5 Meeting on Friday morning expressing you concerns with the district supervisors?

[Cedwards38]

Searching TOTV, I found four different threads relative to this tree cutting issue. The total number of views from all four combined is 64,149 as of today. Regardless of your opinions on the issue, there certainly seems to be a lot of interest!

[Mleeja]

Searching TOTV, I found four different threads relative to this tree cutting issue. The total number of views from all four combined is 64,149 as of today. Regardless of your opinions on the issue, there certainly seems to be a lot of interest!

One thing we can agree on is that this topic has taken on a life of its own. I fear it will continue to rage on long after it is settled by District 5.

[Challenger]

I have spoken with two supervisors , one as late as today to ascertain if the "amnesty payment " was in fact the total of all cost suffered by CDDs in this incident. I was told that they thought it was and that no further fines or costs would be incurred . But they wern't sure .??? For example , was a fine paid by the district as reported in several media? Will the be follow up was promissed a call back with confirmation.

If this is the case I, for one, will stop pushing for further action. If not . I will be back at it.

I hope that the pressure applied by these discussions on TOTV was a stong part of what brought the "Friends" to the table with a check and that they have spent a very uncomfortable 8 or 9 months. They have earned it.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not asking that the names be disclosed at this time , only that we keep pressing until the perp is identified. Some have dubbed this effort for "light " to be like a mob act and described the intentions for those seeking justice as wanting a pound of flesh.

I do not favor amnesty in this case, but if granted it should include full restitution. (all costs suffered by the combined CDDs) and the disclosure of the name. What if the guilty parties are government officials or candidates or others weilding authority in the community. We have a right to know.

So I'll see you at the District 5 Meeting on Friday morning expressing you concerns with the district supervisors?

I doubt that......it's just too easy to rant on here......without signing a name. Oh wait isn't that what is wanted.

[Bogie Shooter]

Searching TOTV, I found four different threads relative to this tree cutting issue. The total number of views from all four combined is 64,149 as of today. Regardless of your opinions on the issue, there certainly seems to be a lot of interest!

Mostly from about five members of the potential lynch mob. Oh and those who question the nuttiness of it all.

[Bogie Shooter]

I have spoken with two supervisors , one as late as today to ascertain if the "amnesty payment " was in fact the total of all cost suffered by CDDs in this incident. I was told that they thought it was and that no further fines or costs would be incurred . But they wern't sure .??? For example , was a fine paid by the district as reported in several media? Will the be follow up was promissed a call back with confirmation.

If this is the case I, for one, will stop pushing for further action. If not . I will be back at it.

I hope that the pressure applied by these discussions on TOTV was a stong part of what brought the "Friends" to the table with a check and that they have spent a very uncomfortable 8 or 9 months. They have earned it.
Why, yes of course..............that is the answer.

[CWGUY]

Mostly from about five members of the potential lynch mob. Oh and those who question the nuttiness of it all.

I agree with you on this. :thumbup: Every time I sign in I see "Tree Cutting News" I click on it and there isn't any.... just the same :blahblahblah:

[Challenger]

I have spoken with two supervisors , one as late as today to ascertain if the "amnesty payment " was in fact the total of all cost suffered by CDDs in this incident. I was told that they thought it was and that no further fines or costs would be incurred . But they wern't sure .??? For example , was a fine paid by the district as reported in several media? Will the be follow up was promissed a call back with confirmation.

If this is the case I, for one, will stop pushing for further action. If not . I will be back at it.

I hope that the pressure applied by these discussions on TOTV was a stong part of what brought the "Friends" to the table with a check and that they have spent a very uncomfortable 8 or 9 months. They have earned it.

The supervisor has responded to me. He discussed the issue with Janet Tutt and was assured that all cost had been paid including some increment of staff time. He assured me that he would suggest that this info be made public . There was no fine as was publically reported. There will be no annual inspection fee that was also publically reported.

[Cedwards38]

Mostly from about five members of the potential lynch mob. Oh and those who question the nuttiness of it all.

You're talking about the four or five who want to lynch those who think this tree cutting was an injustice aren't you because that's the smallest group. For those who are tired of reading the opinions expressed in the thread, here's a tip. Don't click on it.

[CWGUY]

You're talking about the four or five who want to lynch those who think this tree cutting was an injustice aren't you because that's the smallest group. For those who are tired of reading the opinions expressed in the thread, here's a tip. Don't click on it.

:blahblahblah::blahblahblah: You know what they say about opinions.....:1rotfl:

[manaboutown]

The supervisor has responded to me. He discussed the issue with Janet Tutt and was assured that all cost had been paid including some increment of staff time. He assured me that he would suggest that this info be made public . There was no fine as was publically reported. There will be no annual inspection fee that was also publically reported.

Thank you for following up on this and sharing what you found out. Perhaps if there had been more openness from the investigators and CDD management all along the situation would not have become so notorious and repugnant over time. Hopefully, full reimbursement of all costs associated with this misadventure has been made by the malfeasors.

[Happydaz]

If all the costs have been paid that is terrific! The fact that the CCD's don't have to pay anything is great! The pressure applied on the responsible parties seems to have resulted in their coming up with the money. It is wonderful to see this issue coming to a close. I think the people who posted here in favor of keeping the pressure on really helped , and ironically, the people who were against this kept posting too, so they kept this thread alive! I am amused by people who post that a thread has run its course or ask that the administrators close a thread. All that does is to give new life to the subject.

[billethkid]

If all the costs have been paid that is terrific! The fact that the CCD's don't have to pay anything is great! The pressure applied on the responsible parties seems to have resulted in their coming up with the money. It is wonderful to see this issue coming to a close. I think the people who posted here in favor of keeping the pressure on really helped , and ironically, the people who were against this kept posting too, so they kept this thread alive! I am amused by people who post that a thread has run its course or ask that the administrators close a thread. All that does is to give new life to the subject.

Since there is no emoticon for crossed fingers this will have to do....X

[Barefoot]

The supervisor has responded to me. He discussed the issue with Janet Tutt and was assured that all cost had been paid including some increment of staff time. He assured me that he would suggest that this info be made public . There was no fine as was publically reported. There will be no annual inspection fee that was also publically reported.
Thank you for your post Challenger.
It's good to hear factual information with the actual details. :ho:

[Cedwards38]

Thank you for your post Challenger.
It's good to hear factual information with the actual details. :ho:

I agree completely. Thanks Challenger for digging into this for us.:BigApplause:

[Villageswimmer]

My thanks and congratulations as well, Challenger. A good ending to this story probably due, in part, to the heat put on by concerned Villagers, including TOTV. I doubt we'll be hearing much now from those few posters who were so annoyed by this thread ( but kept clicking and posting any way).

[CFrance]

See, we don't just have to "suck it up" when TV does something we feel is wrong.

[Villageswimmer]

See, we don't just have to "suck it up" when TV does something we feel is wrong.

So right! Good lesson learned moving forward.

[outlaw]

Hmm. $25,000 savings over...let's say 25,000 homes. That works out to about 50 cents per person. It's your life, but it doesn't sound like a very good return on your time and heartburn invested. Don't spend it all in one place. Now back to MMP striping and maintenance fee increases...

[Challenger]

The money was never the point !!!! to me

[outlaw]

I have spoken with two supervisors , one as late as today to ascertain if the "amnesty payment " was in fact the total of all cost suffered by CDDs in this incident. I was told that they thought it was and that no further fines or costs would be incurred . But they wern't sure .??? For example , was a fine paid by the district as reported in several media? Will the be follow up was promissed a call back with confirmation.

If this is the case I, for one, will stop pushing for further action. If not . I will be back at it.

I hope that the pressure applied by these discussions on TOTV was a stong part of what brought the "Friends" to the table with a check and that they have spent a very uncomfortable 8 or 9 months. They have earned it.

Sounds like was about the money??

[Challenger]

To those who will not understand, no amount of explanation will suffuce.

[manaboutown]

To those who will not understand, no amount of explanation will suffuce.

Isn't that the truth!

[biker1]

I agree 100%. Please don't waste your time trying to explain why people need to be held accountable for their actions. Some people get it and others don't.

To those who will not understand, no amount of explanation will suffuce.

[Cedwards38]

Justice either is a cherished principle or it is not. It's not all about the money. In fact it is not even mostly about the money. It's mostly about the principle of justice, and that people should not be allowed to silently sneak around justice or get away with buying their way out of facing justice.

Without a public outcry the perps would have gotten away with their deeds scot-free, and been perfectly content to allow the rest of us, even it it was only 50 cents a household, to suffer the consequences for them. They would have enjoyed whatever result they were attempting to achieve, and the "collective we" would have footed the bill.

I'm glad that money was brought forward to cover whatever part of the damages it covers, but they still are getting away without having to personally face up to their actions. Most of us would not have been able to do that, and rightfully so. That's not good justice, good citizenship, or good neighbors.

And if I live forever, I will never understand the logic of defending the perps actions, or the suggestions (read sarcastic harangue) that posters on this and other related threads should shut up and take it. I defend your right to think that, but I will never understand your rationale unless you explain it. Many pages ago in this thread I tried to explain why those of us who were incensed felt they way we did, and then respectfully invited anyone who disagreed to explain the rationale from the opposing view. To date, no one has done that other than to imply that they were tired of hearing about it. I would still appreciate the opportunity to read that rationale and better understand why you feel the way you do, and I suspect that others would like to see that too.

[Happydaz]

Justice either is a cherished principle or it is not. It's not all about the money. In fact it is not even mostly about the money. It's mostly about the principle of justice, and that people should not be allowed to silently sneak around justice or get away with buying their way out of facing justice.

Without a public outcry the perps would have gotten away with their deeds scot-free, and been perfectly content to allow the rest of us, even it it was only 50 cents a household, to suffer the consequences for them. They would have enjoyed whatever result they were attempting to achieve, and the "collective we" would have footed the bill.

I'm glad that money was brought forward to cover whatever part of the damages it covers, but they still are getting away without having to personally face up to their actions. Most of us would not have been able to do that, and rightfully so. That's not good justice, good citizenship, or good neighbors.

And if I live forever, I will never understand the logic of defending the perps actions, or the suggestions (read sarcastic harangue) that posters on this and other related threads should shut up and take it. I defend your right to think that, but I will never understand your rationale unless you explain it. Many pages ago in this thread I tried to explain why those of us who were incensed felt they way we did, and then respectfully invited anyone who disagreed to explain the rationale from the opposing view. To date, no one has done that other than to imply that they were tired of hearing about it. I would still appreciate the opportunity to read that rationale and better understand why you feel the way you do, and I suspect that others would like to see that too.

Great post! If people don't have respect for the law, then respect for the individual is also compromised and then the Outlaws take over!

[Challenger]

Justice either is a cherished principle or it is not. It's not all about the money. In fact it is not even mostly about the money. It's mostly about the principle of justice, and that people should not be allowed to silently sneak around justice or get away with buying their way out of facing justice.

Without a public outcry the perps would have gotten away with their deeds scot-free, and been perfectly content to allow the rest of us, even it it was only 50 cents a household, to suffer the consequences for them. They would have enjoyed whatever result they were attempting to achieve, and the "collective we" would have footed the bill.

I'm glad that money was brought forward to cover whatever part of the damages it covers, but they still are getting away without having to personally face up to their actions. Most of us would not have been able to do that, and rightfully so. That's not good justice, good citizenship, or good neighbors.

And if I live forever, I will never understand the logic of defending the perps actions, or the suggestions (read sarcastic harangue) that posters on this and other related threads should shut up and take it. I defend your right to think that, but I will never understand your rationale unless you explain it. Many pages ago in this thread I tried to explain why those of us who were incensed felt they way we did, and then respectfully invited anyone who disagreed to explain the rationale from the opposing view. To date, no one has done that other than to imply that they were tired of hearing about it. I would still appreciate the opportunity to read that rationale and better understand why you feel the way you do, and I suspect that others would like to see that too.

Wish that I had said that!!!:thumbup:

[billethkid]

Great post! If people don't have respect for the law, then respect for the individual is also compromised and then the Outlaws take over!

Too many laws these days are selectively enforced....unfortunately!

[TheVillageChicken]

Too many laws these days are selectively enforced....unfortunately!

I was thinking about this a couple of days ago when I saw a road sign that said, "Speed Limits Strictly Enforced". Does that mean we can haul butt when the word "strictly" is absent?

[outlaw]

It's one thing to complain about being charged for the actions of another, even though the cost to any individual is minor, IMO. But, then, when the cost issue goes away, many still can't let it go. Many of you come across as vindictive. You hint that the authorities are circumventing the judicial system, or there is some conspiracy between the governing bodies and the guilty parties. You suggest the sheriff's department is withholding information. Let's face it. You want your pound of flesh and will not be satisfied until the guilty are outed and humiliated.

[asianthree]

It's one thing to complain about being charged for the actions of another, even though the cost to any individual is minor, IMO. But, then, when the cost issue goes away, many still can't let it go. Many of you come across as vindictive. You hint that the authorities are circumventing the judicial system, or there is some conspiracy between the governing bodies and the guilty parties. You suggest the sheriff's department is withholding information. Let's face it. You want your pound of flesh and will not be satisfied until the guilty are outed and humiliated.

I really don't think that most want a pound of flesh. But I'm banking that those two trees that are along Penacamp drive that block the view of the pond ( or any village) might someday disappear. Because precedent has been set with just a fine. Is all they'll have to do is find the right landscaper to cut them down.

[outlaw]

I really don't think that most want a pound of flesh. But I'm banking that those two trees that are along Penacamp drive that block the view of the pond ( or any village) might someday disappear. Because precedent has been set with just a fine. Is all they'll have to do is find the right landscaper to cut them down.

I don't think you should worry about that. I'm sure the Miona Lake people learned their lesson.

[graciegirl]

Justice either is a cherished principle or it is not. It's not all about the money. In fact it is not even mostly about the money. It's mostly about the principle of justice, and that people should not be allowed to silently sneak around justice or get away with buying their way out of facing justice.

Without a public outcry the perps would have gotten away with their deeds scot-free, and been perfectly content to allow the rest of us, even it it was only 50 cents a household, to suffer the consequences for them. They would have enjoyed whatever result they were attempting to achieve, and the "collective we" would have footed the bill.

I'm glad that money was brought forward to cover whatever part of the damages it covers, but they still are getting away without having to personally face up to their actions. Most of us would not have been able to do that, and rightfully so. That's not good justice, good citizenship, or good neighbors.

And if I live forever, I will never understand the logic of defending the perps actions, or the suggestions (read sarcastic harangue) that posters on this and other related threads should shut up and take it. I defend your right to think that, but I will never understand your rationale unless you explain it. Many pages ago in this thread I tried to explain why those of us who were incensed felt they way we did, and then respectfully invited anyone who disagreed to explain the rationale from the opposing view. To date, no one has done that other than to imply that they were tired of hearing about it. I would still appreciate the opportunity to read that rationale and better understand why you feel the way you do, and I suspect that others would like to see that too.



I tried several times to say that we are constantly asked to pay through our taxes for people's actions when they break the law, destroy property, and do wrong things. When a thief is chased in a stolen car and hits a light pole and tears up property, who pays? When a person lies to get disability or welfare, who pays? It happens every day and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. I think it is clear that someone or all the folks in the homes discussed time and time again were the ones responsible. I don't know them, and really never want to know them and I would imagine that would be a general response. I haven't read ANYONE making excuses for them.


I have said that they probably don't have a lot of friends at the Lake Miona pot luck.


What bothered me is that the whole village was under suspicion by some posters and that just isn't fair. I am sure they had some very strong inklings but I never thought that every man jack or woman jack was covering up for them.


I also didn't think the district and the developers were part of a conspiracy. They have to pay the bills and follow the laws of agencies such as this one who found out about the tree cutting and lowered the boom.

[manaboutown]

I don't think you should worry about that. I'm sure the Miona Lake people learned their lesson.

What they learned is they could get away with a felony because they were able to remain anonymous; pay off only some of the costs with pocket change and enjoy a clear(er) view, at least for a while.

[buzzy]

What they learned is they could get away with a felony because they were able to remain anonymous; pay off only some of the costs with pocket change and enjoy a clear(er) view, at least for a while.

absolutely

[graciegirl]

What they learned is they could get away with a felony because they were able to remain anonymous; pay off only some of the costs with pocket change and enjoy a clear(er) view, at least for a while.



And what we all learned or I thought we learned, the last time Challenger told us what the official told him, is that the monetary stuff was covered. The view is blocked. And if you follow the addresses, you can find out the names.


Manabouttown, are you here now, or in California? Has this made you change your mind about looking here for a home?

[Bogie Shooter]

And the beat goes on.........................

[biker1]

Why would the whole village be under suspicion? Who was accusing the whole village of being responsible? I believe it was likely from the start that the a small number of homes may have been involved. I don't believe the whole village has been tainted. Even if there was someone who claimed a village wide conspiracy, who really cares?

I tried several times to say that we are constantly asked to pay through our taxes for people's actions when they break the law, destroy property, and do wrong things. When a thief is chased in a stolen car and hits a light pole and tears up property, who pays? When a person lies to get disability or welfare, who pays? It happens every day and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. I think it is clear that someone or all the folks in the homes discussed time and time again were the ones responsible. I don't know them, and really never want to know them and I would imagine that would be a general response. I haven't read ANYONE making excuses for them.


I have said that they probably don't have a lot of friends at the Lake Miona pot luck.


What bothered me is that the whole village was under suspicion by some posters and that just isn't fair. I am sure they had some very strong inklings but I never thought that every man jack or woman jack was covering up for them.


I also didn't think the district and the developers were part of a conspiracy. They have to pay the bills and follow the laws of agencies such as this one who found out about the tree cutting and lowered the boom.

[Challenger]

I tried several times to say that we are constantly asked to pay through our taxes for people's actions when they break the law, destroy property, and do wrong things. When a thief is chased in a stolen car and hits a light pole and tears up property, who pays? When a person lies to get disability or welfare, who pays? It happens every day and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. I think it is clear that someone or all the folks in the homes discussed time and time again were the ones responsible. I don't know them, and really never want to know them and I would imagine that would be a general response. I haven't read ANYONE making excuses for them.


I have said that they probably don't have a lot of friends at the Lake Miona pot luck.


What bothered me is that the whole village was under suspicion by some posters and that just isn't fair. I am sure they had some very strong inklings but I never thought that every man jack or woman jack was covering up for them.


I also didn't think the district and the developers were part of a conspiracy. They have to pay the bills and follow the laws of agencies such as this one who found out about the tree cutting and lowered the boom.

Right on Gracie,

And isn't it pertinent that these felons would allow this misplaced shame to be visited on their inocent neighbors.

Since it appears they have not the integrity to step up , some will always have suspicions about which residents of this beuatiful commuity were involved. That is unfortunate.

[joldnol]

What they learned is they could get away with a felony because they were able to remain anonymous; pay off only some of the costs with pocket change and enjoy a clear(er) view, at least for a while.

Bingo.....and may I add the century old trees can not be restored in our lifetime or our children's lifetimes. Yes other tree's were replanted but they will take many decades of growth to replace what was lost. Something the "forget about it" posters fail to grasp.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why would the whole village be under suspicion? Who was accusing the whole village of being responsible? I believe it was likely from the start that the a small number of homes may have been involved. I don't believe the whole village has been tainted. Even if there was someone who claimed a village wide conspiracy, who really cares?

Read post #352. That accusation has been offered before by this poster & others.

[Bogie Shooter]

Bingo.....and may I add the century old trees can not be restored in our lifetime or our children's lifetimes. Yes other tree's were replanted but they will take many decades of growth to replace what was lost. Something the "forget about it" posters fail to grasp.

Century old? Where did that come from?

[TheVillageChicken]

Bingo.....and may I add the century old trees can not be restored in our lifetime or our children's lifetimes. Yes other tree's were replanted but they will take many decades of growth to replace what was lost. Something the "forget about it" posters fail to grasp.

I grasp that...just don't really give a damn. I am concerned about deforestation, but not a couple of live oaks here and there. However this event has kept old people off the streets and on their keyboards....that is a win in my book.

[NavyNJ]

Anyone have any news from the CDD 5 meeting that was held on Friday?? I seem to have read something about path striping being discussed again, but nothing about the trees. Did anyone wanting details from the board that approved the amnesty & repayment plan attend?? I thought from the posts since repayment was made that there'd at least be a handful of posters interested enough to attend and ask questions. ????

[biker1]

Nothing in there that accuses the whole Village of anything. Not sure what you are talking about. Doesn't really matter.

Read post #352. That accusation has been offered before by this poster & others.

[Challenger]

I guess that if you mischaracterize people's words and intentions enough, the hope is someone will believe you.