This seem ok with everyone ?

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Is this ok with everyone ?

Seems like a topical topic.....

"After a new law went into effect in January, more than half of all new driver’s licenses issued in California this year have gone to people who are in the country illegally, state officials said.

The California Department of Motor Vehicles reported Friday that it had issued roughly 397,000 licenses during the first six months of this year to people who live in the country illegally. A total of 759,000 licenses were issued."



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/us/illegal-residents-flock-to-get-california-licenses.html

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These people are going to drive whether or not they have a driver license..the driver license will let them have car insurance. That is good.

The driver licenses of undocumented immigrants are marked so the license is not valid for voting purposes.

What problem do you have with the driver licenses for these people?

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These people are going to drive whether or not they have a driver license..the driver license will let them have car insurance. That is good.

The driver licenses of undocumented immigrants are marked so the license is not valid for voting purposes.

What problem do you have with the driver licenses for these people?

For me, rewarding someone who is breaking the law and is here illegally is not right.....Just my opinion.

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For me, rewarding someone who is breaking the law and is here illegally is not right.....Just my opinion.

So, you would rather have them driving around (and they WILL drive) without a valid license or car insurance?

If you think that not having a license stops someone from driving, look at the on-line news here and see all those arrested - and bonded out - for driving on suspended licenses. Not having a license does not stop a person from driving!

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So, you would rather have them driving around (and they WILL drive) without a valid license or car insurance?

If you think that not having a license stops someone from driving, look at the on-line news here and see all those arrested - and bonded out - for driving on suspended licenses. Not having a license does not stop a person from driving!

Nor does not having auto insurance.

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It. accomodates, acknowledges and condones the illegal status.
No I am not OK with it.

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When I travel in some foreign nations, my US drivers license is not valid nor is my US auto insurance. I could certainly obtain a car and drive it unlikely to be caught. Or I can pay a few dollars and get an international or country specific license for my situation. Is it not obvious that it is better that I get a license and insurance rather than drive illegally? And of course for Mr. Trump, the licenses being issued in California will also create a data base with names, photos and addresses for rounding up all those rapists and murderers when he is elected. /snark if you can't tell

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It's not OK with me, but until 2016, there is nothing we can do about it. I'm not sure there is enough of us left to matter anyway, but we still have to keep on voting.

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It's not OK with me, but until 2016, there is nothing we can do about it. I'm not sure there is enough of us left to matter anyway, but we still have to keep on voting.

Why isn't issuing a driver license to an undocumented person okay with you? It verifies that they have passed a test and they can now get car insurance. Isn't that better than just getting in a car and driving?

Don't worry, it is not valid for voting purposes due to special marking on the license.

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Why isn't issuing a driver license to an undocumented person okay with you? It verifies that they have passed a test and they can now get car insurance. Isn't that better than just getting in a car and driving?

Don't worry, it is not valid for voting purposes due to special marking on the license.

Why does it seem to not matter that issuing lisences and allowing to buy insurance or what ever else some think these folks should have....that you have blown past the FACT they are here illegally. And issuing or allowing the same privledges as LEGAL residents and citizens acknowledges and sends a signal ....no problem if you are here illegally.

No that is not right no matter how you paint or flavor it.

Why is it OK for them to be here illegally let alone collecting resident and citizen benefits......other than protecting and future seeding the voting block.

When we are finally out numbered and you are told most likely in Spanish what you will and will not do then it will be too late.

Selctive law enforcement is to the law what whores are to the female sex!

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It's not OK with me, but until 2016, there is nothing we can do about it. I'm not sure there is enough of us left to matter anyway, but we still have to keep on voting.


Laws for issuing driver's licenses and car insurance are determined by state legislatures, so unless posters are moving to California there is little anyone on this forum can do about it.

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Laws for issuing driver's licenses and car insurance are determined by state legislatures, so unless posters are moving to California there is little anyone on this forum can do about it.

The question was is it OK with you.....not what would you or what can we do about it!

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The "well there going to anyway argument" is and has always been a false narrative. Secondly by doing so it compounds their illegal acts. Third by issuing a driver's license it provides an ID which they will use to operate freely including voting. And do you suppose the reason they were issued in the first place had anything to do with voting...perish the thought.

Send all illegals back and charge their native countries for the costs of the rounding them up and sending them back

Personal Best Regards:

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These people are going to drive whether or not they have a driver license..the driver license will let them have car insurance. That is good.

The driver licenses of undocumented immigrants are marked so the license is not valid for voting purposes.

What problem do you have with the driver licenses for these people?

When you use the PC term "undocumented immigrants" you quickly blow your cover. They are illegal aliens in every sense of the word.

Countries that are not afflicted by insanity do NOT give any legal status or driver's' licenses to people who have entered the country ILLEGALLY. Instead, they find them and escort them out. If they come back again, they go to prison.

This is not a difficult subject if one's mind is not warped by liberalism which, after all, is a most unfortunate form of mental illness.

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Of course it's not OK but in this country Anything goes. You can be illegal, drive a car uninsured, smoke pot while wearing a burka, commit a crime and just find a sanctuary city. It's all the new norm and Americans too busy playing iPhone to care

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Of course it's not OK but in this country Anything goes. You can be illegal, drive a car uninsured, smoke pot while wearing a burka, commit a crime and just find a sanctuary city. It's all the new norm and Americans too busy playing iPhone to care

At some point, given the insanity encouraged and even mandated by Liberalism, one has to conclude the obvious. In addition to literally hating traditional European-American culture, Liberalism also seems to have a suicidal death wish ... largely based in envy as best I can tell.

Once Euro-American civilization is destroyed, there will be no one left to tax or redistribute wealth from ... then we become a 3rd world hell hole like everywhere else. At least that will solve the illegal alien problem.

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The "well there going to anyway argument" is and has always been a false narrative. Secondly by doing so it compounds their illegal acts. Third by issuing a driver's license it provides an ID which they will use to operate freely including voting. And do you suppose the reason they were issued in the first place had anything to do with voting...perish the thought.

Send all illegals back and charge their native countries for the costs of the rounding them up and sending them back

Do you REALLY want unlicensed and uninsured drivers on the road? The licenses will not be used for voting as they are marked in large letters it is not for voting. Roads are much safer when drivers are licensed.

Round up 11 million people, ship them and children born in USA back wherever?
Yeah, real practical idea.

Petition your next President to do that. I am sure Pres. Clinton will take you seriously. chilout

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We can sort of look at the Mad Maxx films of old and new as training films for the future!

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At least we know who they are when we finally decide to deport them!

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It. accomodates, acknowledges and condones the illegal status.
No I am not OK with it.

The perfect answer! :a040:

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Do you REALLY want unlicensed and uninsured drivers on the road? The licenses will not be used for voting as they are marked in large letters it is not for voting. Roads are much safer when drivers are licensed.

Round up 11 million people, ship them and children born in USA back wherever?
Yeah, real practical idea.

Petition your next President to do that. I am sure Pres. Clinton will take you seriously. chilout

How about, do we REALLY want criminals that we can easily deport to another country to dwell in our country? Better to kick them out than to allow them to poison our culture with lawlessness. And anyone or system that assists them should be imprisoned as an accessory to the crime. And illegally entering our country is a CRIME, regardless of your liberal interpretation. Don't give me this crap about, well they are going to do it anyway. If that was the case, then my parents would never have punished me when I did something wrong when they raised me.
Don't tell me that it is impossible to catch and deport illegals. It was done in the past by the tens of thousands, and it can be done easier now with out technology advances.

California should be cut off of all federal funding until they toe the line regarding federal laws. And the federal gov should stay out of the way if local authority decides to enforce federal law. If a police officer does not enforce the law, he is punished by firing or even prison. Why are federal leaders exempt from this when they take an oath of office saying they will enforce the laws?

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We can sort of look at the Mad Maxx films of old and new as training films for the future!

At least we won't have to worry about liberals anymore in that kind of future. Being against guns makes them easy victims, targets when the gov falls and chaos is prevalent. Gotta look on the bright side..:coolsmiley:

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I-l-l-e-g-a-l. ,!!!

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How about, do we REALLY want criminals that we can easily deport to another country to dwell in our country? Better to kick them out than to allow them to poison our culture with lawlessness. And anyone or system that assists them should be imprisoned as an accessory to the crime. And illegally entering our country is a CRIME, regardless of your liberal interpretation. Don't give me this crap about, well they are going to do it anyway. If that was the case, then my parents would never have punished me when I did something wrong when they raised me.
Don't tell me that it is impossible to catch and deport illegals. It was done in the past by the tens of thousands, and it can be done easier now with out technology advances.

California should be cut off of all federal funding until they toe the line regarding federal laws. And the federal gov should stay out of the way if local authority decides to enforce federal law. If a police officer does not enforce the law, he is punished by firing or even prison. Why are federal leaders exempt from this when they take an oath of office saying they will enforce the laws?

Abididing by Federal LAW ?

Are you living in the fifties ?

That is and has been passé for a few years.

I recall in high school and college hearing how,our entire government is based on LAW.

Remember those days.

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The name of the game today is selective enforcement and redefinition of what is or is not illegal.......all dependent upon whether the results impact a democrat voting block (or not).

The highest order of hypocracy and political BS ever.

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It. accomodates, acknowledges and condones the illegal status.
No I am not OK with it.
Same here, No way Jose!

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Everyone should realize that undocumented workers are in the USA and are going to STAY in the USA. No president is going to round them up (around 11 million people) and send them back to their home countries. That will not happen no matter who is elected president.

Now, the the matter of driver licenses. You can either have an undocumented worker get a driver license legally and have insurance on the car he is driving OR the undocumented worker will drive the car with no license AND no insurance.

Makes a heck of lot more sense to have someone have a license and insurance than not. Not having a license to drive will not keep someone from driving but think what happens if they have an accident and no insurance.

The rubbish about using the driver license to vote is just that - rubbish. The license is marked in large letters that it is not used for voting purposes.

Your choices are simple. Illegal immigrants driving WITH or WITHOUT a driver license and insurance. Which is your choice? They WILL drive.

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Everyone should realize that undocumented workers are in the USA and are going to STAY in the USA. No president is going to round them up (around 11 million people) and send them back to their home countries. That will not happen no matter who is elected president.

Now, the the matter of driver licenses. You can either have an undocumented worker get a driver license legally and have insurance on the car he is driving OR the undocumented worker will drive the car with no license AND no insurance.

Makes a heck of lot more sense to have someone have a license and insurance than not. Not having a license to drive will not keep someone from driving but think what happens if they have an accident and no insurance.

The rubbish about using the driver license to vote is just that - rubbish. The license is marked in large letters that it is not used for voting purposes.

Your choices are simple. Illegal immigrants driving WITH or WITHOUT a driver license and insurance. Which is your choice? They WILL drive.

Total liberal BS!

They can be gathered up and shipped home. It has been done before and now we have better technology to assist. You liberals have no regard for laws and figure that if it is too difficult to enforce, then penalize the rest of us.

My choice? My choice is to arrest them and ship them home without a trial. Warn them that if they are caught in our country illegally again they will be incarcerated with the rest of the low life criminals. As far as their children are concerned, ship them home with them. They can blame their parents for it. Since when did liberals care about children? They would rather abort them than to hassle with them. Time to quit crying for the unfortunate. If those folks want a better life, then change their own country. They come over here and protest how they are being treated, like they have any rights.

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Total liberal BS!

They can be gathered up and shipped home.

My choice? My choice is to arrest them and ship them home without a trial. Warn them that if they are caught in our country illegally again they will be incarcerated with the rest of the low life criminals. As far as their children are concerned, ship them home with them. They can blame their parents for it. Since when did liberals care about children? They would rather abort them than to hassle with them. Time to quit crying for the unfortunate. If those folks want a better life, then change their own country. They come over here and protest how they are being treated, like they have any rights.

My, such compassion! Why not take your posting to your minister, priest, or rabbi and get their opinion on your post? See if it fits into the tenets of your religion.

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My, such compassion! Why not take your posting to your minister, priest, or rabbi and get their opinion on your post? See if it fits into the tenets of your religion.

On the other hand, why don't YOU take your abortions and selling of baby parts to your minister, priest or rabbi and get his/her opinion? Oh, that's right, most liberals are too smart to believe in a deity.

If you don't agree with me, that's your right.

I care more for my family than a bunch of criminals, so as far as I am concerned, to protect my family and their future, I think we should have the military or volunteers on the border with the order to shoot anyone that is trying to illegally enter our country. Anyone that tries to break into my home will get shot, so I figure that is about the same, on a larger scale. :icon_wink:

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On the other hand, why don't YOU take your abortions and selling of baby parts to your minister, priest or rabbi and get his/her opinion? Oh, that's right, most liberals are too smart to believe in a deity.

If you don't agree with me, that's your right.

I care more for my family than a bunch of criminals, so as far as I am concerned, to protect my family and their future, I think we should have the military or volunteers on the border with the order to shoot anyone that is trying to illegally enter our country. Anyone that tries to break into my home will get shot, so I figure that is about the same, on a larger scale. :icon_wink:

I have no idea of where you think I am in favor of selling body parts. That is gross.

Regarding the driver licenses for undocumented immigrants is just a practical thing to do.

Shooting people trying to better their lives by sneaking into America is just a bit - can we say crazy? :ohdear:

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I have no idea of where you think I am in favor of selling body parts. That is gross.

Regarding the driver licenses for undocumented immigrants is just a practical thing to do.

Shooting people trying to better their lives by sneaking into America is just a bit - can we say crazy? :ohdear:

I didn't say your idea of giving benefits to law breakers to be "crazy." Even if I think it's the lazy way to go.

I am willing to believe that the other part I said is also crazy. The part where I will shoot anyone breaking into my home?

You find my thinking to be crazy, so don't blame me for considering your idea to be one of a bleeding heart liberal. I don't feel that we should be so lazy as to give up enforcing the law just because it is too hard to do.

I see nothing "practical" as far as giving criminals from another country benefits in our country. We are a country of laws. I have no sympathy for those jumping the line, when we have folks standing in line for years to get into our country.

Tell you what, you go on a vacation. While you are gone, someone breaks into your house, sets up a family there, but takes really good care of your property. Landscapes, paints, etc. When you get home, you call the police to have them arrested because they broke the law. The burglar along with your neighbors insist that they are being good citizens and took good care of your property. You can't cart them off to jail. What do you do with their children that were born in your house while you were gone? Are you going to throw them out on the street? Have them arrested? Send the children to social services because of their parents? YES, YES, YES, and YES. Motivation for breaking laws hardly ever matters. We have laws for a purpose. If you don't like the laws, you vote to have them repealed or changed. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded at the expense of others. Instead of saying something as ludicrous as "do you want them to drive without insurance?" or " do you want them on the road illegally" you should be asking, why are they here to begin with. And, why are we allowing them special privileges that other law abiding immigrants don't have, like no waiting, no paperwork, no back ground investigation, no fees, no registration, etc?

I noticed that you didn't deny the abortion part? Does that mean that aborting/killing the baby is OK with you, but selling the body parts is drawing the line? You need not answer.

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I didn't say your idea of giving benefits to law breakers to be "crazy." Even if I think it's the lazy way to go.

I am willing to believe that the other part I said is also crazy. The part where I will shoot anyone breaking into my home?

You find my thinking to be crazy, so don't blame me for considering your idea to be one of a bleeding heart liberal. I don't feel that we should be so lazy as to give up enforcing the law just because it is too hard to do.

I see nothing "practical" as far as giving criminals from another country benefits in our country. We are a country of laws. I have no sympathy for those jumping the line, when we have folks standing in line for years to get into our country.

Tell you what, you go on a vacation. While you are gone, someone breaks into your house, sets up a family there, but takes really good care of your property. Landscapes, paints, etc. When you get home, you call the police to have them arrested because they broke the law. The burglar along with your neighbors insist that they are being good citizens and took good care of your property. You can't cart them off to jail. What do you do with their children that were born in your house while you were gone? Are you going to throw them out on the street? Have them arrested? Send the children to social services because of their parents? YES, YES, YES, and YES. Motivation for breaking laws hardly ever matters. We have laws for a purpose. If you don't like the laws, you vote to have them repealed or changed. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded at the expense of others. Instead of saying something as ludicrous as "do you want them to drive without insurance?" or " do you want them on the road illegally" you should be asking, why are they here to begin with. And, why are we allowing them special privileges that other law abiding immigrants don't have, like no waiting, no paperwork, no back ground investigation, no fees, no registration, etc?

I noticed that you didn't deny the abortion part? Does that mean that aborting/killing the baby is OK with you, but selling the body parts is drawing the line? You need not answer.

Just a question here. Let's say you are just arriving home and there is no one in the house (you and wife were out to dinner together) and while driving into your driveway, you notice a man at the side of your house prying open a window. Do you pull out your pistol from your holster or glove box, take aim and shoot the person or just hold him at gunpoint for the police?

By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her.

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Just a question here. Let's say you are just arriving home and there is no one in the house (you and wife were out to dinner together) and while driving into your driveway, you notice a man at the side of your house prying open a window. Do you pull out your pistol from your holster or glove box, take aim and shoot the person or just hold him at gunpoint for the police?

By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her.

What would YOU do?

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Shoot em in the leg

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I'm a liberal. I carry. Being rearended by an illegal with no license or insurance ain't fun. Even though the accident was not my fault, my insurance got cancelled and my new policy was almost twice the cost of my old policy. I was the victim but had to pay the price even though the illegal was deported. So, yes I'm totally in favor of illegals being able to get a license and insurance.

As to illegals being deported, ain't gonna happen regardless of what party is in power. If for no other reason, too many industries such as agriculture and construction rely on illegals for low-cost workers. The law states that if you're born in this country or, if born outside this nation and one or both of your parents is a U.S. Citizen, you ARE a citizen. So, the law makes the children of illegals born here citizens. You cannot legally deport these children. If you deport the parents, an already overwhelmed foster care system will have millions more children to contend with, plus the economic burden of supporting these children. While many illegals broke the law to get here, they have not broken any laws once here. In fact, many are the kind of people you want as neighbors. So, as I said, deporting all ain't gonna happen for social and economic reasons.

Please understand I'm not condoning their being here although I do sympathize for their reasons for leaving their nations. If for no other reason than it would make their lives easier, I would much prefer they could come here legally. But that's not the case today. I don't think shooting these people on sight is right on any grounds. It is morally abhorrent (and my views on abortion are absolutely irrelevant to any part of this issue). There is no easy answer to illegals, no matter how much you would like there to be.

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I'm a liberal. I carry. Being rearended by an illegal with no license or insurance ain't fun. Even though the accident was not my fault, my insurance got cancelled and my new policy was almost twice the cost of my old policy. I was the victim but had to pay the price even though the illegal was deported. So, yes I'm totally in favor of illegals being able to get a license and insurance.

As to illegals being deported, ain't gonna happen regardless of what party is in power. If for no other reason, too many industries such as agriculture and construction rely on illegals for low-cost workers. The law states that if you're born in this country or, if born outside this nation and one or both of your parents is a U.S. Citizen, you ARE a citizen. So, the law makes the children of illegals born here citizens. You cannot legally deport these children. If you deport the parents, an already overwhelmed foster care system will have millions more children to contend with, plus the economic burden of supporting these children. While many illegals broke the law to get here, they have not broken any laws once here. In fact, many are the kind of people you want as neighbors. So, as I said, deporting all ain't gonna happen for social and economic reasons.

Please understand I'm not condoning their being here although I do sympathize for their reasons for leaving their nations. If for no other reason than it would make their lives easier, I would much prefer they could come here legally. But that's not the case today. I don't think shooting these people on sight is right on any grounds. It is morally abhorrent (and my views on abortion are absolutely irrelevant to any part of this issue). There is no easy answer to illegals, no matter how much you would like there to be.

Contrary to what liberals would have you believe, a drivers license does not automatically translate into insurance coverage. Just because someone gets a license, doesn't mean that they will get or maintain insurance coverage. The last I heard, 1 in 5 drivers in the state of Florida are either uninsured or under insured. Adequate insurance is expensive, and many low income earners spend the money for coverage on other things. And, as you have experienced, there is little or no accountability when they are responsible for the accident.

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What would YOU do?

We know what she would do. Number one, she wouldn't have a gun. Number two, she would ask them if perhaps the door would gain them better access and then proceed to unlock it for them. After all, if they are going to break in anyway, why not make it easier for them? Then she would help them load their vehicle, because after all, they are going to take the stuff anyway so might as well get it done faster instead of making it harder for them. After all, we don't want to make things harder for the criminal. They may have a family to support. :1rotfl::clap2::a040:

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Just a question here. Let's say you are just arriving home and there is no one in the house (you and wife were out to dinner together) and while driving into your driveway, you notice a man at the side of your house prying open a window. Do you pull out your pistol from your holster or glove box, take aim and shoot the person or just hold him at gunpoint for the police?

By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her.

Yeah, right.....pro-choice. How did I know?

Do you want the legal scenario or the truthful answer?

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"I don't think shooting these people on sight is right on any grounds. It is morally abhorrent (and my views on abortion are absolutely irrelevant to any part of this issue). There is no easy answer to illegals, no matter how much you would like there to be."

For real?? Shooting invaders is "morally abhorrent" but killing babies is a person's choice. How easy for you. Let me guess, you are against executing convicted killers too?

You prefer that they come in legally? That makes it all better, as long as you prefer, right?

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Just a question here. Let's say you are just arriving home and there is no one in the house (you and wife were out to dinner together) and while driving into your driveway, you notice a man at the side of your house prying open a window. Do you pull out your pistol from your holster or glove box, take aim and shoot the person or just hold him at gunpoint for the police?

By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her.

So, what you are saying is that you'd rather kill an unborn child that a criminal? Somehow, I'm not surprised.

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Contrary to what liberals would have you believe, a drivers license does not automatically translate into insurance coverage. Just because someone gets a license, doesn't mean that they will get or maintain insurance coverage. The last I heard, 1 in 5 drivers in the state of Florida are either uninsured or under insured. Adequate insurance is expensive, and many low income earners spend the money for coverage on other things. And, as you have experienced, there is little or no accountability when they are responsible for the accident.

No, it doesn't mean they will get insurance but it does mean they can. It also means they will be a little easier to find after an accident (and, yes, I do understand people move and don't change their address). As I said, many illegals do their best to not break any laws once here. They don't want to get caught and deported, for one thing. If they didn't care about the laws, 379,000 people wouldn't have bothered with the time and expense required in getting a license that absolutely marks them as an illegal.

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What would YOU do?

Typical Alinski-esque reply of diverting the question. It is right out of the right wing playbook.

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We know what she would do. Number one, she wouldn't have a gun. Number two, she would ask them if perhaps the door would gain them better access and then proceed to unlock it for them. After all, if they are going to break in anyway, why not make it easier for them? Then she would help them load their vehicle, because after all, they are going to take the stuff anyway so might as well get it done faster instead of making it harder for them. After all, we don't want to make things harder for the criminal. They may have a family to support. :1rotfl::clap2::a040:


Very typical Alinski-esque reply from this poster. He loves to use the Alinski tactic of ridicule- which must make him get the tingly feeling running down his leg.

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"I don't think shooting these people on sight is right on any grounds. It is morally abhorrent (and my views on abortion are absolutely irrelevant to any part of this issue). There is no easy answer to illegals, no matter how much you would like there to be."

For real?? Shooting invaders is "morally abhorrent" but killing babies is a person's choice. How easy for you. Let me guess, you are against executing convicted killers too?

You prefer that they come in legally? That makes it all better, as long as you prefer, right?

I didn't say I was Pro Choice. I said it was irrelevant to this thread. You do like to take the extreme position, don't you? Illegals are invaders and should be executed by anyone who sees them? You're talking about murdering men, women and children. How can this not be morally abhorrent?

Yes, they should be detained if caught. If they do not qualify to remain in this country for any legal reason such as political asylum, they should be sent back to their nation of origin. They do not deserve to be hunted down and shot.

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Typical Alinski-esque reply of diverting the question. It is right out of the right wing playbook.

Give it a rest already! Same old talking points.

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No, it doesn't mean they will get insurance but it does mean they can. It also means they will be a little easier to find after an accident (and, yes, I do understand people move and don't change their address). As I said, many illegals do their best to not break any laws once here. They don't want to get caught and deported, for one thing. If they didn't care about the laws, 379,000 people wouldn't have bothered with the time and expense required in getting a license that absolutely marks them as an illegal.

If they really cared about the laws they wouldn't be here illegally.

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If they really cared about the laws they wouldn't be here illegally.

Whether they are leaving their country out of fear or hunger or whatever, they see no alternative but to break our immigration laws. That doesn't preclude them from wanting to abide by other laws if for no other reason than just so they don't get caught and deported. we all pick and choose what laws we wish to break. Personally, I speed but I do stop at every stop sign, even the meaningless ones in TV. Sadly, the vast majority of us are criminals in one way or another.

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Whether they are leaving their country out of fear or hunger or whatever, they see no alternative but to break our immigration laws. That doesn't preclude them from wanting to abide by other laws if for no other reason than just so they don't get caught and deported. we all pick and choose what laws we wish to break. Personally, I speed but I do stop at every stop sign, even the meaningless ones in TV. Sadly, the vast majority of us are criminals in one way or another.

Well, I guess if you have a good reason, then your are justified in breaking the law. Makes sense to me.:rolleyes:

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Well, I guess if you have a good reason, then your are justified in breaking the law. Makes sense to me.:rolleyes:

That isn't what I said. I so love how words are twisted here to try to win a point. I never said anyone was justified in breaking a law. I simply said we do. If I get caught speeding, I expect to get a ticket. If my best friend gets arrested for shoplifting, I expect to post her bond. If you have never deliberately broken a law, then feel free to get snarky. If, however, you, like the vast majority of humans, have deliberately broken a law of your country or state, then you're a criminal as much as the illegal crossing our border. Should we shoot the reckless driver? How about the homeless man sleeping on the park bench since vagrancy is against the law in most municipalities?

We need to come up with some real solutions. The countries from which these people come need to be brought to the table to stop the flow. America cannot do this alone. Our borders are too vast and people are too desperate.

I would love to see ESL stopped except in the judicial system. No Spanish radio or television in our borders. Total immersion in English for students. etc, etc., etc. No Medicaid, food stamps or any other form of public assistance unless a citizen or holder of a legitimate green card.

But give the people that are here a chance to be a little less of a criminal where possible. So, yes, let them drive legally.

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That isn't what I said. I so love how words are twisted here to try to win a point. I never said anyone was justified in breaking a law. I simply said we do. If I get caught speeding, I expect to get a ticket. If my best friend gets arrested for shoplifting, I expect to post her bond. If you have never deliberately broken a law, then feel free to get snarky. If, however, you, like the vast majority of humans, have deliberately broken a law of your country or state, then you're a criminal as much as the illegal crossing our border. Should we shoot the reckless driver? How about the homeless man sleeping on the park bench since vagrancy is against the law in most municipalities?

We need to come up with some real solutions. The countries from which these people come need to be brought to the table to stop the flow. America cannot do this alone. Our borders are too vast and people are too desperate.

I would love to see ESL stopped except in the judicial system. No Spanish radio or television in our borders. Total immersion in English for students. etc, etc., etc. No Medicaid, food stamps or any other form of public assistance unless a citizen or holder of a legitimate green card.

But give the people that are here a chance to be a little less of a criminal where possible. So, yes, let them drive legally.

There is no official language in the US. If there ever were, it could just as easily be designated to be Spanish if Spanish speakers are the majority.

If a Spanish only speaking person is breaking the law, how would anyone know if they were from Puerto Rico (US citizen) or Cuba (perfectly legal) or Mexico (could be illegal).

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That isn't what I said. I so love how words are twisted here to try to win a point. I never said anyone was justified in breaking a law. I simply said we do. If I get caught speeding, I expect to get a ticket. If my best friend gets arrested for shoplifting, I expect to post her bond. If you have never deliberately broken a law, then feel free to get snarky. If, however, you, like the vast majority of humans, have deliberately broken a law of your country or state, then you're a criminal as much as the illegal crossing our border. Should we shoot the reckless driver? How about the homeless man sleeping on the park bench since vagrancy is against the law in most municipalities?

We need to come up with some real solutions. The countries from which these people come need to be brought to the table to stop the flow. America cannot do this alone. Our borders are too vast and people are too desperate.

I would love to see ESL stopped except in the judicial system. No Spanish radio or television in our borders. Total immersion in English for students. etc, etc., etc. No Medicaid, food stamps or any other form of public assistance unless a citizen or holder of a legitimate green card.

But give the people that are here a chance to be a little less of a criminal where possible. So, yes, let them drive legally.

I finally your point...which is to give criminals a chance to be a little of a criminal.

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Very typical Alinski-esque reply from this poster. He loves to use the Alinski tactic of ridicule- which must make him get the tingly feeling running down his leg.

That "tingly feeling running down his leg" is a quote from the left. Remember your favorite, Chris Matthews? His comment. Just like your attempt to ignorantly (not an insult) use Alinski, when you know that is more kin to the left, not the right. If you really want to discuss Alinski, we can but that would just make it easier for you to divert.

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Just a question here. Let's say you are just arriving home and there is no one in the house (you and wife were out to dinner together) and while driving into your driveway, you notice a man at the side of your house prying open a window. Do you pull out your pistol from your holster or glove box, take aim and shoot the person or just hold him at gunpoint for the police?

By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her.

You first. I asked you what you would do. So, you throw it back with a question. You didn't answer my question. Not the part regarding abortion. That's not relevant.

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I finally your point...which is to give criminals a chance to be a little of a criminal.

No, you don't get my point. Actually, I think you got it a lot earlier but have no real rebuttal, so are now resorting to a poor attempt at sarcasm. It really is a shame that an honest discourse cannot exist without ultimately resorting to sarcasm and name calling in this forum.

And I'm outta here.

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I didn't say I was Pro Choice. I said it was irrelevant to this thread. You do like to take the extreme position, don't you? Illegals are invaders and should be executed by anyone who sees them? You're talking about murdering men, women and children. How can this not be morally abhorrent?

Yes, they should be detained if caught. If they do not qualify to remain in this country for any legal reason such as political asylum, they should be sent back to their nation of origin. They do not deserve to be hunted down and shot.

Why? They do it in other countries, don't they? Besides, did I say hunted down and shot? No, I said they should or could be shot coming over the border, when it is clearly posted. Twist that one around a bit.

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I didn't say I was Pro Choice. I said it was irrelevant to this thread. You do like to take the extreme position, don't you? Illegals are invaders and should be executed by anyone who sees them? You're talking about murdering men, women and children. How can this not be morally abhorrent?

Yes, they should be detained if caught. If they do not qualify to remain in this country for any legal reason such as political asylum, they should be sent back to their nation of origin. They do not deserve to be hunted down and shot.

"By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her."

You didn't say this? Or, you don't remember saying that? Maybe that was a different person that wrote that? I may be mistaken.

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"By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her."

You didn't say this? Or, you don't remember saying that? Maybe that was a different person that wrote that? I may be mistaken.

Different person.

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"By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her."

You didn't say this? Or, you don't remember saying that? Maybe that was a different person that wrote that? I may be mistaken.

Sorry, Lambie Pie, that was me who said I was Pro-Choice. According to a very recent Gallup poll, 54 percent of American women and 46 percent of American men identify themselves as Pro-Choice and 44 percent of men and women as Pro-Life.

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Different person.

Must be the same person. Same name.....:1rotfl::1rotfl:

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So, if 54 percent of women voters and 46 percent of male voters identify themselves as Pro-Choice, the Republican candidates (such as Rubio and Walker) who say they oppose abortion in ANY event - including rape and incest - are NOT going to be getting the votes of these people - and that is only one plank in their platform.

Sounds like a loser of a plank if you ask me. However, they have gone on record and they now own their statement.

Driver licenses for undocumented immigrants is a matter of good sense and nothing else. It does not give them voting rights. Would you rather see a licensed and insured driver on the road or unlicensed and uninsured?

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So, if 54 percent of women voters and 46 percent of male voters identify themselves as Pro-Choice, the Republican candidates (such as Rubio and Walker) who say they oppose abortion in ANY event - including rape and incest - are NOT going to be getting the votes of these people - and that is only one plank in their platform.

Sounds like a loser of a plank if you ask me. However, they have gone on record and they now own their statement.

Driver licenses for undocumented immigrants is a matter of good sense and nothing else. It does not give them voting rights. Would you rather see a licensed and insured driver on the road or unlicensed and uninsured?

The abortion issue is just liberal desperation. It's a moot issue. Selling body parts on the other hand, could hurt liberals.

Illegals driving is not good sense, it's contrary to the law. Kind of like offering free samples to a shoplifter as they are exiting the store. Like why enforce DWI laws when we know so many are going to do it anyway.

Clinton is going away. Better get another substitute fast or stand back and let the RNC decide who will be the next Republican pres.