Planned Parenthood

[Guest]

I realize this will fall on deaf, and uninterested ears, but I have a need to express my utter and total disgust after watching the videos of Planned Parenthood bargaining and selling baby parts.

People say it is not a life, but it appears there is a market for selling the baby's innards and other parts. When you kill a living person, and I assume if people want to buy your parts you are living, that is called....

[Guest]

I realize this will fall on deaf, and uninterested ears, but I have a need to express my utter and total disgust after watching the videos of Planned Parenthood bargaining and selling baby parts.

People say it is not a life, but it appears there is a market for selling the baby's innards and other parts. When you kill a living person, and I assume if people want to buy your parts you are living, that is called....

Some morally bankrupt people just don't care...sad, very sad indeed.

[Guest]

I realize this will fall on deaf, and uninterested ears, but I have a need to express my utter and total disgust after watching the videos of Planned Parenthood bargaining and selling baby parts.

People say it is not a life, but it appears there is a market for selling the baby's innards and other parts. When you kill a living person, and I assume if people want to buy your parts you are living, that is called....

You might want to check this story outside the radical right sources..

There were no baby parts sold....the parts, at the request of the donor, were donated to a research center. Planned Parenthood did charge a fee for SHIPPING

Just another sleazy right wing attempted sting against Planned Parenthood.

[Guest]

You might want to check this story outside the radical right sources..

There were no baby parts sold....the parts, at the request of the donor, were donated to a research center. Planned Parenthood did charge a fee for SHIPPING

Just another sleazy right wing attempted sting against Planned Parenthood.

Planned Parenthood Official Caught Haggling for Fetal Organs | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/online/another-planned-parenthood-official-caught-on-camera-haggling-over-fetal-remains/)

Are you sure? I'm not. This really has me re-thinking my views. They've opened Pandora's Box.

If 'fetal tissue' is being sold for a profit, aren't the mothers entitled to part of the profit?

If the mothers are profiting from 'fetal tissue' how long before deliberate pregnancies for profit?

[Guest]

You might want to check this story outside the radical right sources..

There were no baby parts sold....the parts, at the request of the donor, were donated to a research center. Planned Parenthood did charge a fee for SHIPPING

Just another sleazy right wing attempted sting against Planned Parenthood.

You are absolutely right!

Ask the radical right wing if they would accept a liver or kidney for their grandchild from one of these "murdered" donors? Would they pay the $100 shipping charge?

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Planned Parenthood Official Caught Haggling for Fetal Organs | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/online/another-planned-parenthood-official-caught-on-camera-haggling-over-fetal-remains/)

Are you sure? I'm not. This really has me re-thinking my views. They've opened Pandora's Box.

If 'fetal tissue' is being sold for a profit, aren't the mothers entitled to part of the profit?

If the mothers are profiting from 'fetal tissue' how long before deliberate pregnancies for profit?

The fetal tissue IS NOT being sold at a profit. It IS NOT being sold! The money is for shipping and is between $30 and $100. You are ridiculous!!!

[Guest]

The fetal tissue IS NOT being sold at a profit. It IS NOT being sold! The money is for shipping and is between $30 and $100. You are ridiculous!!!

Check the link. This is bad.

[Guest]

Don't know about planned parenthood specifically but a friend of mine that worked at an abortion clinic said that the fetuses were used to harvest collagen, it totally disgusted me.

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Check the link. This is bad.

Gee whiz.....if they did that, they may have to face the truth.

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The fetal tissue IS NOT being sold at a profit. It IS NOT being sold! The money is for shipping and is between $30 and $100. You are ridiculous!!!

THAT, ABOUT SHIPPING CHARGES IS FLAT OUT NOT TRUE. You need to read something other than the response.

The conversations revolve around using different tools so the head is not damaged, the discussions are NEGOTIAYIONS, not a statement of shipping charges.

I do not doubt the tape was edited, but NOT DOCTORED. They actually discussed a deal...they actually discussed using instruments...they actually discussed what part of the body not to crush.

And the sale is that these are not viable humans....no, we are in fact committing murder.

I could care less what money they get. What they say it is for. Discussing trying not to crush a skull of an infant so someone can use that skull for whatever is just not something I care to even try and validate. An infant that they say is not viable.

[Guest]

The fetal tissue IS NOT being sold at a profit. It IS NOT being sold! The money is for shipping and is between $30 and $100. You are ridiculous!!!

Talk about a distinction without a difference !

Body parts of little human babies are being trafficked WTF??? ... you're apparently too morally bankrupt to notice the obvious even when it smacks you in the face?

Question for you...if the body parts were of little baby whales instead, would you be outraged or supportive?

[Guest]

Talk about a distinction without a difference !

Body parts of little human babies are being trafficked WTF??? ... you're apparently too morally bankrupt to notice the obvious even when it smacks you in the face?

Question for you...if the body parts were of little baby whales instead, would you be outraged or supportive?

Great question!! Always interesting to see how many PETA supporters are also pro-abortion activists. Talk about screwed up priorities!

[Guest]

Talk about a distinction without a difference !

Body parts of little human babies are being trafficked WTF??? ... you're apparently too morally bankrupt to notice the obvious even when it smacks you in the face?

Question for you...if the body parts were of little baby whales instead, would you be outraged or supportive?

Question for you ...if your infant grandchild desperately needed a liver or kidney and could be the recepient, would you be supportive?

[Guest]

3:18, I think you should answer first.

I'm not the poster you're quoting, but my answer is no. There are others sources for both kidneys and livers, sources that do not have the moral complications of using fetal tissue.

[Guest]

Question for you ...if your infant grandchild desperately needed a liver or kidney and could be the recepient, would you be supportive?

Yes, as long as no one had to be murdered to get it.

How about you?

[Guest]

Question for you ...if your infant grandchild desperately needed a liver or kidney and could be the recepient, would you be supportive?

Of course not.

You asking the question tells a lot.

How could anyone want a harvested part from a murdered baby.

The fact you ask that questions means you believe their is a life being snuffed out, unlike what we are told.

What a callous immoral question.

[Guest]

3:18, I think you should answer first.

I'm not the poster you're quoting, but my answer is no. There are others sources for both kidneys and livers, sources that do not have the moral complications of using fetal tissue.

I'm not the poster either, but totally agree with you. I would not be able to live with myself if I obtained an organ in this manner for my child. Kill another child so your that yours can live? Some would say that this is not exactly how it works, since the other baby would have been done away with anyway, but the reality is, that is exactly what it is. What kind of society would we be if this becomes commonplace? It has all the elements of corruption.

[Guest]

Here is the full video, unedited. It is nearly and hour and fifteen minutes. I haven't watched it yet, will later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwAGsjoorvk

[Guest]

If you are against abortion, that is totally YOUR decision. The Supreme Court made it legal. Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Of course, the right wing nuts want to legislate for others. How about if your daughter became pregnant and did not want to have the baby? Would you force her to have the baby and then give it up? How about by incest or rape?

Give it up! Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Planned Parenthood was not selling body parts. Put away your heavily edited video clips. Tread on new ground - REALITY.

This is the 21st century. Get out of the 1950's.

[Guest]

If you are against abortion, that is totally YOUR decision. The Supreme Court made it legal. Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Of course, the right wing nuts want to legislate for others. How about if your daughter became pregnant and did not want to have the baby? Would you force her to have the baby and then give it up? How about by incest or rape?

Give it up! Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Planned Parenthood was not selling body parts. Put away your heavily edited video clips. Tread on new ground - REALITY.

This is the 21st century. Get out of the 1950's.

EXACTLY what were they selling ???

[Guest]

If you are against abortion, that is totally YOUR decision. The Supreme Court made it legal. Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Of course, the right wing nuts want to legislate for others. How about if your daughter became pregnant and did not want to have the baby? Would you force her to have the baby and then give it up? How about by incest or rape?

Give it up! Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Planned Parenthood was not selling body parts. Put away your heavily edited video clips. Tread on new ground - REALITY.

This is the 21st century. Get out of the 1950's.


Exactly. Posters on here want smaller government or no government except when it comes to a woman's uterus. Then they want to have their nose in every woman's uterus to make sure every pregnancy comes to term. If they have their way, birth control will be banned or controlled by a woman's employer.

So let's review; no birth control to stop unwanted pregnancies, but should a pregnancy occur, no abortion in a safe environment, even if that pregnancy is the result of rape.

[Guest]

Exactly. Posters on here want smaller government or no government except when it comes to a woman's uterus. Then they want to have their nose in every woman's uterus to make sure every pregnancy comes to term. If they have their way, birth control will be banned or controlled by a woman's employer.

So let's review; no birth control to stop unwanted pregnancies, but should a pregnancy occur, no abortion in a safe environment, even if that pregnancy is the result of rape.

"Planned Parenthood was not selling body parts."

Was a quote in the post you replied to.....what were they selling ?

[Guest]

Everyone understands as a few posters are trying to lecture everybody on, what the law of the land is on abortion. It is the callous, we are the winner, attitude in talking about this subject that is beyond the pale....

TONIGHT....when you lay down, last think for a moment about this unborn infant inside a womb where it is for protection as it develops. Then think of this partial conversation with the doctor who kills that baby....

""I'd say a lot of people want liver," she explained to undercover pro-life operatives pretending to be buyers from a biotech company.

So she and her harvesters use ultrasound techniques to figure out where the liver and other desirable organs are. That way they can be "cognizant of where you put your graspers."

This technique, she explains, is "good at getting heart, lung, liver ... so I'm not gonna crush that part. I'm going to basically crush below, I'm gonna crush above, and I'm gonna see if I can get it all intact."

"Crush above" is her way of saying the baby's skull is crushed with tiny jaws of death."

Liberal theory of justice doesn't support abortion - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-planned-parenthood-liberals-abortion-goldberg-20150721-column.html)

Nobody is trying to change your mind on abortion. But stop playing innocent as if it were not killing, and stop with the smug comments to those who find this objectionable.

I can recall all the comments on here when the terrible situation in Ferguson took place and how many times we heard "nobody deserves to die like this".......I say the same thing to this procedure.

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This is how the editorial in the above link concludes.....

"The abortion industry prefers to talk about abortions that do away with unwanted "clumps of cells" or clear out "uterine contents." But the beings Nucatola sells for parts have hearts and lungs and livers. Clumps of cells do not.

If I were living behind the veil of ignorance and was afforded the opportunity to be eliminated in utero, I'd probably opt for getting it over with as soon as possible, before I developed pain receptors, never mind salable parts. But, again, I'd first choose to be born. In that sense, you could say I'm pro-choice.


Just, for once, think about what is being done. You can claim all your victories, do your dances, tell anyone who opposes it how backward they are but they seem to have more respect for life than you folks.

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The founder of Planned Parenthood is Margaret Sanger...a few quotes from MS Sanger....

"We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring."

"Give dysgenic groups [people with “bad genes”] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."

10-Eye-Opening Quotes From Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger | LifeNews.com (http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/)

Is this what she meant......


The below information is from 2013 in New York City.....

There were more blacks who had "induced termination" (abortion) than live births !!!

24,108 live births and 29,007 abortions !!!

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/vs-pregnancy-outcomes-2013.pdf

If those liberals who support the termination of racism would read about the beliefs that were the basis for Planned Parenthood, I think you might need to choose a side. She was a racist and as you see from her quotes would probably be overjoyed with the New York stats.

[Guest]

If you are against abortion, that is totally YOUR decision. The Supreme Court made it legal. Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Of course, the right wing nuts want to legislate for others. How about if your daughter became pregnant and did not want to have the baby? Would you force her to have the baby and then give it up? How about by incest or rape?

Give it up! Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Planned Parenthood was not selling body parts. Put away your heavily edited video clips. Tread on new ground - REALITY.

This is the 21st century. Get out of the 1950's.

The video I posted is not a clip. Have you watched it?

We aren't currently talking about abortion. We are talking about the sale of body parts.

[Guest]

It defies logic and common sense and common decency that a subject like abortion and the recent Planned Parenthood disgusting exposure to be a partisan issue.

It is a very low value, low esteem, low character, desparate politician that uses this subject to garner a voting block.

Does anybody really believe peoples morals are red or blue or dem or republican....they are not and neither is this subject.

To view the videos of the head of Planned Parenthood, during lucn, dicussing methods of more carefully removing fetuses to preserve parts would indicate what? I dare any of the abortion and party supporters try to make something good out of these revelations. Butchers!!!!

We do know the difference between right and wrong. It only goes astray when either a poltician or a lawyer gets involved. And when it is a lawyer trained politician we have the least moral species of all using there so called education and talent to use, abuse or hide behind the law whichever accomplishes their objective......

in this case killing humans and selling body parts for profit.

[Guest]

It defies logic and common sense and common decency that a subject like abortion and the recent Planned Parenthood disgusting exposure to be a partisan issue.

It is a very low value, low esteem, low character, desparate politician that uses this subject to garner a voting block.

Does anybody really believe peoples morals are red or blue or dem or republican....they are not and neither is this subject.

To view the videos of the head of Planned Parenthood, during lucn, dicussing methods of more carefully removing fetuses to preserve parts would indicate what? I dare any of the abortion and party supporters try to make something good out of these revelations. Butchers!!!!

We do know the difference between right and wrong. It only goes astray when either a poltician or a lawyer gets involved. And when it is a lawyer trained politician we have the least moral species of all using there so called education and talent to use, abuse or hide behind the law whichever accomplishes their objective......

in this case killing humans and selling body parts for profit.

Totally a BS post.

[Guest]

THAT, ABOUT SHIPPING CHARGES IS FLAT OUT NOT TRUE. You need to read something other than the response.

The conversations revolve around using different tools so the head is not damaged, the discussions are NEGOTIAYIONS, not a statement of shipping charges.

I do not doubt the tape was edited, but NOT DOCTORED. They actually discussed a deal...they actually discussed using instruments...they actually discussed what part of the body not to crush.

And the sale is that these are not viable humans....no, we are in fact committing murder.

I could care less what money they get. What they say it is for. Discussing trying not to crush a skull of an infant so someone can use that skull for whatever is just not something I care to even try and validate. An infant that they say is not viable.

I understand that religious beliefs define your stance on this subject. You have every right to this stance. I personally have never had an abortion, never needed one.... I often wonder what I would have done should I have needed one. Never once would have passed judgement on anyone who had to make that choice.

I believe this country was built on the constitution which includes the freedom of religion which includes the freedom from your religion.

[Guest]

It defies logic and common sense and common decency that a subject like abortion and the recent Planned Parenthood disgusting exposure to be a partisan issue.

It is a very low value, low esteem, low character, desparate politician that uses this subject to garner a voting block.

Does anybody really believe peoples morals are red or blue or dem or republican....they are not and neither is this subject.

To view the videos of the head of Planned Parenthood, during lucn, dicussing methods of more carefully removing fetuses to preserve parts would indicate what? I dare any of the abortion and party supporters try to make something good out of these revelations. Butchers!!!!

We do know the difference between right and wrong. It only goes astray when either a poltician or a lawyer gets involved. And when it is a lawyer trained politician we have the least moral species of all using there so called education and talent to use, abuse or hide behind the law whichever accomplishes their objective......

in this case killing humans and selling body parts for profit.


In your post you state:

To view the videos of the head of Planned Parenthood,

Are you saying that this women

Cecile Richards :: Planned Parenthood (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/our-leadership/cecile-richards)

Was featured in that video? Are you completely sure about that?

[Guest]

Totally a BS post.

More like you are in total and unshakeable denial ...

[Guest]

The video I posted is not a clip. Have you watched it?

We aren't currently talking about abortion. We are talking about the sale of body parts.

It's about a right wing sting..... edited footage. It was NOT a sale the money was for postage.

[Guest]

Exactly. Posters on here want smaller government or no government except when it comes to a woman's uterus. Then they want to have their nose in every woman's uterus to make sure every pregnancy comes to term. If they have their way, birth control will be banned or controlled by a woman's employer.

So let's review; no birth control to stop unwanted pregnancies, but should a pregnancy occur, no abortion in a safe environment, even if that pregnancy is the result of rape.

I think you're upset mainly because the cover has been blown on the callous, baby murders for hire as performed by PPA. It's not just disgusting ... it's pathetic to watch the Left Wing still try to justify it no matter what. It's no longer Pro-Choice but rather Pro-Death and Pro-Barbarity

[Guest]

Just like the Right Wing,,,,

Make sure the men get Viagra or anything else
Deny the women birth control
Knock-up the women
Give more rights to the fetus than the mother (Personhood Amendment)
Deny abortion availability or make the women undergo un-needed invasive procedures.

Protect the fetus.....

Then when the child is born

Refuse to expand Medicaid
Cut food stamps
Gut Head Start

And then this:

“A Lesson in Irony. The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free Meals and Food Stamps ever, to 46 million people.”

The piece continued, “Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us ‘Please Do Not Feed the Animals.’ Their stated reason for the policy is because ‘The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.’ Thus ends today’s lesson in irony.”

You got to wonder about these people.

[Guest]

To bad everything here is posted as Guest....

Would be nice to know how many of these posters are men!!!

[Guest]

To bad everything here is posted as Guest....

Would be nice to know how many of these posters are men!!!

If you think that only men are outraged by this, think again. I have a friend who is very active in the pro-life movement and when she attends events she stands with many other women, some who have had abortions themselves and understand the long term ramifications of making that decision. It isn't just something that one does and then forgets about it. It can ruin a person's life in more ways than one. I have seen the destruction with my own eyes and it can be heartwrenching.

I cringe when I hear women talk so selfishly - "well it's my body and I'll do with it as I please". What about that tiny body growing inside of you? Doesn't that count? I just don't get it. There are just too many incidences of using abortion as a form of birth control.

And btw, I'm a woman.

[Guest]

If you are against abortion, that is totally YOUR decision. The Supreme Court made it legal. Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Of course, the right wing nuts want to legislate for others. How about if your daughter became pregnant and did not want to have the baby? Would you force her to have the baby and then give it up? How about by incest or rape?

Give it up! Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Planned Parenthood was not selling body parts. Put away your heavily edited video clips. Tread on new ground - REALITY.

This is the 21st century. Get out of the 1950's.

Dear Guest: "The Supreme court made it legal" "Get out of the 1950's "

Well I find that interesting because in 1942 some very important men both military and civilian government officials met in secret to decide the Jewish solution. In that meeting they discussed if there would be any exceptions to this solution. They methodically worked out a solution that would speed up the process of elimination of this problem. They were the Supreme Law of the land many of them lawyers, scientist, SS officers.

In a recent campaign gathering Democratic candidate O'Malley said "all lives matter" whereupon he was booed from this mostly black audience. The liberal media paid it no mind. a number of blacks marched in early during that meeting to proclaim "black lives matter" which prompted O'Malley's remarks

A young woman is gunned down by an illegal and unlike a professor Gates, Brown ,Gray, Martin Obama is totally unresponsive that young woman's life did not matter but all the aforementioned did

Five marines are murdered by an Islamic terrorist and Obama has yet to lower the flags at half staff. Apparently their lives also did not matter.

The Supreme Court's decision has resulted in an estimated 54 million + abortions. This practice has messed with America's demographics meaning we have insufficient population to replace the one passing...akin to the same problem China is facing do to their one child policy.

Planned Parenthood should be de-funded and in my view disbanded because it is no better than the instrument that applied to the Jewish solution. Planned Parenthood's activities should shock the conscience

All lives matter born and unborn. Those in favor of abortion view it has a choice those against view as it as life . Choice over life. Hmmm Abortionist have their strawman arguments to ease their conscience but it is plain and simple legalized murder

Even the plaintiff in Roe V Wade changed her mind after the decision and worked to reverse this horrible injustice.

Personal Best Regards:

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If you think that only men are outraged by this, think again. I have a friend who is very active in the pro-life movement and when she attends events she stands with many other women, some who have had abortions themselves and understand the long term ramifications of making that decision. It isn't just something that one does and then forgets about it. It can ruin a person's life in more ways than one. I have seen the destruction with my own eyes and it can be heartwrenching.

I cringe when I hear women talk so selfishly - "well it's my body and I'll do with it as I please". What about that tiny body growing inside of you? Doesn't that count? I just don't get it. There are just too many incidences of using abortion as a form of birth control.

And btw, I'm a woman.

I am the OP and a women....never had an abortion myself but as I stated in a previous post I have wondered what I might have done should I have found myself facing that decision. I believe that I personally could not have gone ahead with the abortion. You are right about the repercussions either way, abortion or giving up the child.

If there are just too many incidences of using abortion as a form of birth control we might well have to look at the reasons for that. Historically women had to pay for birth control pills as they were not and now are not covered by insurance.

Here in TV there were some people discussing Obamacare during the discussion a man commented "I don't want to pay for your birth control" followed by a women commenting "I don't want to pay for your Viagra either".

Why shouldn't women be able to have access to affordable birth control including the morning after pill?

[Guest]

Dear Guest: "The Supreme court made it legal" "Get out of the 1950's "

Well I find that interesting because in 1942 some very important men both military and civilian government officials met in secret to decide the Jewish solution. In that meeting they discussed if there would be any exceptions to this solution. They methodically worked out a solution that would speed up the process of elimination of this problem. They were the Supreme Law of the land many of them lawyers, scientist, SS officers.

In a recent campaign gathering Democratic candidate O'Malley said "all lives matter" whereupon he was booed from this mostly black audience. The liberal media paid it no mind. a number of blacks marched in early during that meeting to proclaim "black lives matter" which prompted O'Malley's remarks

A young woman is gunned down by an illegal and unlike a professor Gates, Brown ,Gray, Martin Obama is totally unresponsive that young woman's life did not matter but all the aforementioned did

Five marines are murdered by an Islamic terrorist and Obama has yet to lower the flags at half staff. Apparently their lives also did not matter.

The Supreme Court's decision has resulted in an estimated 54 million + abortions. This practice has messed with America's demographics meaning we have insufficient population to replace the one passing...akin to the same problem China is facing do to their one child policy.

Planned Parenthood should be de-funded and in my view disbanded because it is no better than the instrument that applied to the Jewish solution. Planned Parenthood's activities should shock the conscience

All lives matter born and unborn. Those in favor of abortion view it has a choice those against view as it as life . Choice over life. Hmmm Abortionist have their strawman arguments to ease their conscience but it is plain and simple legalized murder

Even the plaintiff in Roe V Wade changed her mind after the decision and worked to reverse this horrible injustice.

Personal Best Regards:

What a rambling reactionary bunch of BS! You are definitely stuck in the past and fail to realize this is the 21st century. Times and people have changed. Get with the 21st century or stand aside.

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Hmmm. I don't find it rambling.

With regard to how many poster are women: I have four posts on this thread, and I am a woman. I have been pro-choice for decades, but this is a whole 'nother animal.

I have the ability to examine my beliefs, and adjust them as new information becomes available. The breathless ranting on this thread, the refusal to examine new information is telling.

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I would like to know how and why the issue of slaughtering and now butchering of unborn children is viewed by SOME as a partisan issue? Or a gender specific issue?

It is a moral issue that is either accepted or rejected across anything as flimsy and lame as party lines or gender or race or religion.

Making it a partisan issue is for voter attraction only.....no other purpose intended what so ever.

Too bad the majority of moral Americans just do not stand and be counted and shut down these minority and special interest groups who do not have any moral compass in their lives.

[Guest]

What a rambling reactionary bunch of BS! You are definitely stuck in the past and fail to realize this is the 21st century. Times and people have changed. Get with the 21st century or stand aside.

Why does getting with the 21st century have to mean one has to change their morality? That in itself is very telling about you are stating.

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I am the OP and a women....never had an abortion myself but as I stated in a previous post I have wondered what I might have done should I have found myself facing that decision. I believe that I personally could not have gone ahead with the abortion. You are right about the repercussions either way, abortion or giving up the child.

If there are just too many incidences of using abortion as a form of birth control we might well have to look at the reasons for that. Historically women had to pay for birth control pills as they were not and now are not covered by insurance.

Here in TV there were some people discussing Obamacare during the discussion a man commented "I don't want to pay for your birth control" followed by a women commenting "I don't want to pay for your Viagra either".

Why shouldn't women be able to have access to affordable birth control including the morning after pill?

As it stands now, most insurance plans cover at least certain generic birth control pills at no charge to the patient, so access to them has been greatly enhanced over the years. As far as the morning after pill goes, it has now been deemed an over-the-counter product (not prescription) so would not be covered by most insurance plans as most do not cover OTC's.

In answering your question, I have one for you, especially where the morning after pill is concerned - does personal responsibility play any part in this where you are concerned? I ask this because that's where I find a big difference between taking birth control pills versus the morning after pill.

[Guest]

Why does getting with the 21st century have to mean one has to change their morality? That in itself is very telling about you are stating.

Last line should read -

That in itself is very telling about WHAT you are stating (in your post).

[Guest]

You might want to check this story outside the radical right sources..

There were no baby parts sold....the parts, at the request of the donor, were donated to a research center. Planned Parenthood did charge a fee for SHIPPING

Just another sleazy right wing attempted sting against Planned Parenthood.

Since you don't seem to have a problem with the "shipping" of body parts, mabe we should start with yours.:clap2:

[Guest]

Since you don't seem to have a problem with the "shipping" of body parts, mabe we should start with yours.:clap2:

Being nasty will get you nowhere....

The point is PP was NOT selling body parts end of story.

[Guest]

As it stands now, most insurance plans cover at least certain generic birth control pills at no charge to the patient, so access to them has been greatly enhanced over the years. As far as the morning after pill goes, it has now been deemed an over-the-counter product (not prescription) so would not be covered by most insurance plans as most do not cover OTC's.

In answering your question, I have one for you, especially where the morning after pill is concerned - does personal responsibility play any part in this where you are concerned? I ask this because that's where I find a big difference between taking birth control pills versus the morning after pill.

I believe sexual active women should protect themselves but as we know some employers, on religious grounds, refuse to cover birth control and even refuse to allow the government to provide them under the plan.

To me the morning after pill should be for available in the case of rape, incest or anyone not able to obtain birth control pills.

My problem is I personally have voted on the Personhood Amendment 3 times in my home state. I see this as a religious group or voting block trying to impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us. This country was founded on the basis of religious freedom.

[Guest]

I would like to know how and why the issue of slaughtering and now butchering of unborn children is viewed by SOME as a partisan issue? Or a gender specific issue?

It is a moral issue that is either accepted or rejected across anything as flimsy and lame as party lines or gender or race or religion.

Making it a partisan issue is for voter attraction only.....no other purpose intended what so ever.

Too bad the majority of moral Americans just do not stand and be counted and shut down these minority and special interest groups who do not have any moral compass in their lives.

Again you have the right to your religious beliefs but we have the freedom from your religion. Think the constitution....

You are wrong about pro-choice supporters being in the minority

U.S. Still Split on Abortion: 47% Pro-Choice, 46% Pro-Life (http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx)

[Guest]

Going after each other on this forum is not going to convince either the Anti-Abortionists or the Pro-Choice that they are misguided and should change sides. Some say it is a religious thing, some a moral thing, some say a woman's reproductive rights belong to herself and her conscience.

Bottom line is Planned Parenthood does not sell body parts. The tissues and organs were donated and the only cost involved is the shipping.

Basically, this thread is just 3 or 4 reactionaries adding onto each other's posts and shouting down all who disagree. That is a Saul Alinsky tactic from his Rules for Radicals.

[Guest]

Going after each other on this forum is not going to convince either the Anti-Abortionists or the Pro-Choice that they are misguided and should change sides. Some say it is a religious thing, some a moral thing, some say a woman's reproductive rights belong to herself and her conscience.

Bottom line is Planned Parenthood does not sell body parts. The tissues and organs were donated and the only cost involved is the shipping.

Basically, this thread is just 3 or 4 reactionaries adding onto each other's posts and shouting down all who disagree. That is a Saul Alinsky tactic from his Rules for Radicals.

For both sides.....

[Guest]

Being nasty will get you nowhere....

The point is PP was NOT selling body parts end of story.

Sorry, you don't get to declare the end of the story.

I think their is a very possible PP is doing just that.

[Guest]

Being nasty will get you nowhere....

The point is PP was NOT selling body parts end of story.

Sorry, you don't get to declare the end of the story.

I think it is very possible PP is doing just that.

[Guest]

Planned Parenthood receives 1/2 Billion dollars from the gov't each year. Our tax dollars help to fund it. Pull the plug on the dollars and watch it wither on the vine.

[Guest]

Planned Parenthood receives 1/2 Billion dollars from the gov't each year. Our tax dollars help to fund it. Pull the plug on the dollars and watch it wither on the vine.

Planned Parenthood will likely just raise the price of the body parts to make up for the loss of funding.

[Guest]

What a rambling reactionary bunch of BS! You are definitely stuck in the past and fail to realize this is the 21st century. Times and people have changed. Get with the 21st century or stand aside.

Dear Guest: What in the heck does stuck in the past have to do with my moral beliefs? If the Supreme Court decided in 2020 that the solution to our mounting old age problems was elimination of anyone over 65 would you suggest that anyone who disagreed with that decision was stuck in the past?
Do you suppose the Nazi's told those opposed to the Jewish solution they were stuck in the past? what a leap in logic you take. When did being morally responsible and treating the young born and unborn as a protected species become stuck in the past? don't count on such proposals as not likely because there have been similar proposal made over the years including the state of Florida

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses? Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why is government interference in behalf of birth control and abortions issues a good thing? What if the government told women they could not have an abortion, then what? Roe v Wade is a good thing but if the Supreme Court overturned Roe then by pro abortionist it would be a bad thing? Yet pro-life people are wrong because they disagree with roe v Wade this is especially important since the plaintiff in this case reversed her views on this case and fights as a pro-lifer.

Why all these entitlements? Why is it that society is obligated for the irresponsible sexual activities of people. Why is it that many of the same women repeatedly turn to abortion clinics ? Why is that unborn responsible for the irresponsible choices of adults? where is that unborn's right to choose?

Why is it that people in favor of abortion believe they have the high ground? Pro abortionist do what nations have done through the ages they make the target a non-person and by doing so they can act with impunity whether we are talking about waging war on other nations or slavery because by making the enemy a non-person its easier on the conscience

It is not me who is stuck in the past ethics and morality are not fads and they do not operate on a sliding scale as defined by most people to mean "I can justify my actions".

Finally ask yourself if a person who aborts by some fluke of nature had to face that unborn that was reaching out from the womb what would s/he say
"sorry kid our an inconvenience"

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Dear Guest: What in the heck does stuck in the past have to do with my moral beliefs? If the Supreme Court decided in 2020 that the solution to our mounting old age problems was elimination of anyone over 65 would you suggest that anyone who disagreed with that decision was stuck in the past?
Do you suppose the Nazi's told those opposed to the Jewish solution they were stuck in the past? what a leap in logic you take. When did being morally responsible and treating the young born and unborn as a protected species become stuck in the past? don't count on such proposals as not likely because there have been similar proposal made over the years including the state of Florida

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses? Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why is government interference in behalf of birth control and abortions issues a good thing? What if the government told women they could not have an abortion, then what? Roe v Wade is a good thing but if the Supreme Court overturned Roe then by pro abortionist it would be a bad thing? Yet pro-life people are wrong because they disagree with roe v Wade this is especially important since the plaintiff in this case reversed her views on this case and fights as a pro-lifer.

Why all these entitlements? Why is it that society is obligated for the irresponsible sexual activities of people. Why is it that many of the same women repeatedly turn to abortion clinics ? Why is that unborn responsible for the irresponsible choices of adults? where is that unborn's right to choose?

Why is it that people in favor of abortion believe they have the high ground? Pro abortionist do what nations have done through the ages they make the target a non-person and by doing so they can act with impunity whether we are talking about waging war on other nations or slavery because by making the enemy a non-person its easier on the conscience

It is not me who is stuck in the past ethics and morality are not fads and they do not operate on a sliding scale as defined by most people to mean "I can justify my actions".

Finally ask yourself if a person who aborts by some fluke of nature had to face that unborn that was reaching out from the womb what would s/he say
"sorry kid our an inconvenience"

Personal Best Regards:

Thank you for this comprehensive, thought provoking post. You have put into words what so many of us have been trying to express. Thanks so much for your wise words.

[Guest]

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses?

Your facts are just a bit off

Planned Parenthood (http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/)

As the name Planned Parenthood suggests the primary mission of this organization is to help women with their reproductive goals.

Honestly I would like to understand your reasoning on this statement you made:

Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills? If a women is being proactive to prevent a pregnancy why are you against that? How many women have heard "I'm to big to wear a condom?"

Do you also believe that insurance should cover the cost of Viagra? A ***** pump?

[Guest]

Presumably you are trying to equate Viagra with birth control pills in the eyes of the insurance companies. I keep hearing this same argument. Viagra is for treating a disease. Birth control if for preventing pregnancies. I sometimes get the impression that the left views pregnancy as a disease.

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses?

Your facts are just a bit off

Planned Parenthood (http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/)

As the name Planned Parenthood suggests the primary mission of this organization is to help women with their reproductive goals.

Honestly I would like to understand your reasoning on this statement you made:

Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills? If a women is being proactive to prevent a pregnancy why are you against that? How many women have heard "I'm to big to wear a condom?"

Do you also believe that insurance should cover the cost of Viagra? A ***** pump?

[Guest]

Planned Parenthood receives 1/2 Billion dollars from the gov't each year. Our tax dollars help to fund it. Pull the plug on the dollars and watch it wither on the vine.

Agree ... pull the financial plug on the immoral, baby-killing machine that is PPA.

They do have limits I must say ... so far, I've not seen any evidence that PPA actually encourages using discarded baby parts and organs as food or delicacies ...

[Guest]

Presumably you are trying to equate Viagra with birth control pills in the eyes of the insurance companies. I keep hearing this same argument. Viagra is for treating a disease. Birth control if for preventing pregnancies. I sometimes get the impression that the left views pregnancy as a disease.

I do equate them as medications..... But I knew I would be hit with the disease thing so predicable.

In my religious faith, Catholic, sex is for pro-creation only, being told that since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. So if your wife has already gone through the change you don't need the little blue pill.

Or you could look at this another way women go through the change no pill for that but when men go through the change OMG its a disease!

Think of birth control as an investment in not having to provide food and shelter for all those unwanted children.

[Guest]

The equating of Viagra and birth control pill is also very predictable as I have heard it many times before. The issue is why should it be paid for by insurance companies. You haven't addressed that. People can buy their own birth control - it is inexpensive. They can show some personal responsibility. ED is a disease. I was raised Catholic. I don't need the little blue pill.

I do equate them as medications..... But I knew I would be hit with the disease thing so predicable.

In my religious faith, Catholic, sex is for pro-creation only, being told that since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. So if your wife has already gone through the change you don't need the little blue pill.

Or you could look at this another way women go through the change no pill for that but when men go through the change OMG its a disease!

Think of birth control as an investment in not having to provide food and shelter for all those unwanted children.

[Guest]

The equating of Viagra and birth control pill is also very predictable as I have heard it many times before. The issue is why should it be paid for by insurance companies. You haven't addressed that. People can buy their own birth control - it is inexpensive. They can show some personal responsibility. ED is a disease. I was raised Catholic. I don't need the little blue pill.

I don't understand why you keep saying birth control is PAID for by insurance companies. We buy insurance to offset the high cost of medications. We pay a monthly premium and a copay based on the tier of the drub.

Here are the costs without health insurance but only 80% of insurance companies cover birth control pills

Cost of Birth Control Pills - Consumer Information (http://health.costhelper.com/birth-control-pills.html)

[Guest]

Actually it is paid for by those who pay the premiums and that would be me. I object to paying for other peoples birth control as they can foot the bill themselves. You can try to weasel word it all you want.

I don't understand why you keep saying birth control is PAID for by insurance companies. We buy insurance to offset the high cost of medications. We pay a monthly premium and a copay based on the tier of the drub.

Here are the costs without health insurance but only 80% of insurance companies cover birth control pills

Cost of Birth Control Pills - Consumer Information (http://health.costhelper.com/birth-control-pills.html)

[Guest]

Actually it is paid for by those who pay the premiums and that would be me. I object to paying for other peoples birth control as they can foot the bill themselves. You can try to weasel word it all you want.

I'm confused.... I personally pay $98.00 monthly for my insurance and a copay for all prescriptions. How is it you think you pay anything for me.

[Guest]

Your joking right? Do you have any clue how actually insurance works? Apparently not.

I'm confused.... I personally pay $98.00 monthly for my insurance and a copay for all prescriptions. How is it you think you pay anything for me.

[Guest]

Your joking right? Do you have any clue how actually insurance works? Apparently not.

Yes I think I do....I pay my premiums for insurance. What about that don't you understand.

[Guest]

I'm confused.... I personally pay $98.00 monthly for my insurance and a copay for all prescriptions. How is it you think you pay anything for me.

Jeez. Insurance premiums go into a big pool of money for insured. Sort of like our fees here in TV go into a pool to cover all amenities and improvements.

Sometimes one village gets more improvements than they've paid for that year, sometimes a patient gets more health services than they've paid for that year.

So, who picks up the slack for the high-usage patient? The other people who have insurance.

Just so you know, you are paying an extremely low premium. My premium, female age 58, is $450 per month, with a deductible of $5,800 per annum. Obviously not on medicare, and do not qualify for any subsidies.

Do you really think your $98 per month, a rough total of $1,200 per year, could possibly pay for your health services in a healthy year?

[Guest]

Jeez. Insurance premiums go into a big pool of money for insured. Sort of like our fees here in TV go into a pool to cover all amenities and improvements.

Sometimes one village gets more improvements than they've paid for that year, sometimes a patient gets more health services than they've paid for that year.

So, who picks up the slack for the high-usage patient? The other people who have insurance.

Just so you know, you are paying an extremely low premium. My premium, female age 58, is $450 per month, with a deductible of $5,800 per annum. Obviously not on medicare, and do not qualify for any subsidies.

Do you really think your $98 per month, a rough total of $1,200 per year, could possibly pay for your health services in a healthy year?

$98.00 is for my drug premium NOT total medical monthly.....

I have never heard this absurd nonsense in regard to healthcare. You pay for you and I pay for me.

[Guest]

$98.00 is for my drug premium NOT total medical monthly.....

I have never heard this absurd nonsense in regard to healthcare. You pay for you and I pay for me.

This is like talking to a rock.

"... The way it typically works is that the consumer (you) pays an up front premium to a health insurance company and that payment allows you to share ‘risk’ with lots of other people (enrollees) who are making similar payments. Since most people are healthy most of the time, the premium dollars paid to the insurance company can be used to cover the expenses of the (relatively) small number of enrollees who get sick or are injured..."


Quote from Stanford University: https://vaden.stanford.edu/us/healthinsurance/works

[Guest]

Jeez. Insurance premiums go into a big pool of money for insured. Sort of like our fees here in TV go into a pool to cover all amenities and improvements.

Sometimes one village gets more improvements than they've paid for that year, sometimes a patient gets more health services than they've paid for that year.

So, who picks up the slack for the high-usage patient? The other people who have insurance.

Just so you know, you are paying an extremely low premium. My premium, female age 58, is $450 per month, with a deductible of $5,800 per annum. Obviously not on medicare, and do not qualify for any subsidies.

Do you really think your $98 per month, a rough total of $1,200 per year, could possibly pay for your health services in a healthy year?
Very well explained.

[Guest]

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses?

Your facts are just a bit off

Planned Parenthood (http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/)

As the name Planned Parenthood suggests the primary mission of this organization is to help women with their reproductive goals.

Honestly I would like to understand your reasoning on this statement you made:

Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills? If a women is being proactive to prevent a pregnancy why are you against that? How many women have heard "I'm to big to wear a condom?"

Do you also believe that insurance should cover the cost of Viagra? A ***** pump?

Dear Guest:

Planned Parenthood's stated mission to assist woman in their reproductive goals is correct. How and to what extent this is interpreted and applied by its employees is the subject of the videos being on television and the internet. Once again may I remind you that the euphemism the Nazi's used was Jewish solution

As to the issue of insurance and birth control and abortion let me first say that I studied and worked all lines of insurance and was a CPCU, CLU. Obamacare is not health care it is a directive to all health care providers to ignore their underwriting criteria and insure everyone for everything. Its akin to the government telling banks (Fannie and Freddie) to let anyone buy a house and ignore whether they can pay for their loans. We saw how that worked out and we are still suffering for it.

People are going to get sticker shock when they see the increases for healthcare policies this enrollment period. By the way Obama also wants to include expenses for transgender operations, etc.

Both the housing issue and the health insurance issue are actuarial unsound
Anything that can be insured but an actuary will predict the likelihood of losses and their cost and the more likely the more premium required. Its why insurance companies won't insure damages from a war.

what I have learned while in insurance is people actually believe the money is coming from the insurance company and since they have plenty of it well........... insurance companies can't be victims; except its money actually coming from premiums you paid or taxes you and I paid.

so now I don't want to insure your birth control or abortions and as one guest said birth control pills are very inexpensive


Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

This is like talking to a rock.

"... The way it typically works is that the consumer (you) pays an up front premium to a health insurance company and that payment allows you to share ‘risk’ with lots of other people (enrollees) who are making similar payments. Since most people are healthy most of the time, the premium dollars paid to the insurance company can be used to cover the expenses of the (relatively) small number of enrollees who get sick or are injured..."


Quote from Stanford University: https://vaden.stanford.edu/us/healthinsurance/works

Yes you are rated in a risk pool that doesn't mean you are paying for my drugs. I have paid for car insurance for years without an accident there is no difference here.

[Guest]

Dear Guest:

Planned Parenthood's stated mission to assist woman in their reproductive goals is correct. How and to what extent this is interpreted and applied by its employees is the subject of the videos being on television and the internet. Once again may I remind you that the euphemism the Nazi's used was Jewish solution

As to the issue of insurance and birth control and abortion let me first say that I studied and worked all lines of insurance and was a CPCU, CLU. Obamacare is not health care it is a directive to all health care providers to ignore their underwriting criteria and insure everyone for everything. Its akin to the government telling banks (Fannie and Freddie) to let anyone buy a house and ignore whether they can pay for their loans. We saw how that worked out and we are still suffering for it.

People are going to get sticker shock when they see the increases for healthcare policies this enrollment period. By the way Obama also wants to include expenses for transgender operations, etc.

Both the housing issue and the health insurance issue are actuarial unsound
Anything that can be insured but an actuary will predict the likelihood of losses and their cost and the more likely the more premium required. Its why insurance companies won't insure damages from a war.

what I have learned while in insurance is people actually believe the money is coming from the insurance company and since they have plenty of it well........... insurance companies can't be victims; except its money actually coming from premiums you paid or taxes you and I paid.

so now I don't want to insure your birth control or abortions and as one guest said birth control pills are very inexpensive


Personal Best Regards:

You have never paid for birth control nor an abortion for me and as I am no longer at risk for procreation you never will. But I will say again I don't want to pay for your ED medication or a ***is pump either. But you had nothing say on that.

[Guest]

Sorry sweetheart, that is not how it works. The money goes into a pool to pay for claims. How is it possible that you don't know this?

$98.00 is for my drug premium NOT total medical monthly.....

I have never heard this absurd nonsense in regard to healthcare. You pay for you and I pay for me.

[Guest]

Yes you are rated in a risk pool that doesn't mean you are paying for my drugs. I have paid for car insurance for years without an accident there is no difference here.

Sigh. I surrender. It is a rock.

[Guest]

You all will justify everything in your own mind most likely made up by the usual right wing talking points fairy.

[Guest]

Sorry sweetheart, that is not how it works. The money goes into a pool to pay for claims. How is it possible that you don't know this?

Perhaps you don't know this comment is sexist?

[Guest]

When you have lost the argument I guess you need to deflect. Whatever.

Perhaps you don't know this comment is sexist?

[Guest]

Wtf?

you all will justify everything in your own mind most likely made up by the usual right wing talking points fairy.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1090916]Yes you are rated in a risk pool that doesn't mean you are paying for my drugs. I have paid for car insurance for years without an accident there is no

Dear Guest:

I original lived and worked in New York and the people living in the New York city area car insurance is being subsidized by the people living in upstate New York, I know I sat in meeting with the people who determined this.

The people living in Central Florida subsidized the homeowners living in those mega-mansions along the coast. Its why homeowners insurance is so expensive here. The sink holes in and around Tampa and the game playing some homeowners put insurance companies through because they had a crack in an outside wall is why most people can't get sink hole coverage or pay through the nose.

The workers in service industries that are demanding $15 wage hike are going to create one of two things o perhaps both. Cost of products will go up to pay for the increase in wages and/or jobs will disappear

In the world of business costs are passed on. In the world of insurance costs are passed on except their expenses

If what you say is true then each health care insured would be individually rated and that is simply not true. someone, all others are contributing to your demands.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Perhaps you don't know this comment is sexist?

Horrors!! I'm SOOOOO sorry!!. OMG, I really truly didn't mean to offend anyone and, if I did, I mean I'm even sorrier. Mea culpa, mea cupla.

It's offensive to offend someone in this horrible manner, and it's not really who I am.

[Guest]

Horrors!! I'm SOOOOO sorry!!. OMG, I really truly didn't mean to offend anyone and, if I did, I mean I'm even sorrier. Mea culpa, mea cupla.

It's offensive to offend someone in this horrible manner, and it's not really who I am.

Sarcastic Dolt!

[Guest]

Sarcastic Dolt!

Meh. You don't want to learn anything, you don't examine facts, there is no intelligent back-and-forth.

You just wanna stir.

[Guest]

I don't mean this as political so don't make it that way. What I don't understand is why, with Obama care, we still have Planned Parenthood doing abortions? They should be done in the hospitals and covered under Obamacare.

[Guest]

Federally suppored butcher factories and that is OK?

The politicians who get their share of the multi billions paid in to the executives who run the burcher shop.

Does anybody think they would cut of the income stream to such a lucrative hand out.

I never knew killing unborn children was a partisan issue. Kinda like being in church....one doesn't stop to wonder if there are red or blue or dems or repubs right. They are all there to worship the same God right? They all have the same morals right?

Hypocrites of the highest order all!!

[Guest]

How is it that we hear all the Pro-Lifers spouting off about the terrible murdering of unborn children but they will never give any clear answer to:

What would you do if your daughter or grand daughter found herself pregnant by rape? Would you force her to have the unwanted child?

[Guest]

I don't mean this as political so don't make it that way. What I don't understand is why, with Obama care, we still have Planned Parenthood doing abortions? They should be done in the hospitals and covered under Obamacare.

Interesting. I hadn't made the connection, and you are right.

[Guest]

How is it that we hear all the Pro-Lifers spouting off about the terrible murdering of unborn children but they will never give any clear answer to:

What would you do if your daughter or grand daughter found herself pregnant by rape? Would you force her to have the unwanted child?

Because it is a moot point. I assume you're talking about minors ~ they have the ability to petition the court, and their request WILL be granted. The parents essentially have no say.

[Guest]

How is it that we hear all the Pro-Lifers spouting off about the terrible murdering of unborn children but they will never give any clear answer to:

What would you do if your daughter or grand daughter found herself pregnant by rape? Would you force her to have the unwanted child?

Would you force her to have an abortion?

[Guest]

McConnell Voted In 1993 To Legalize Fetal Tissue Donations After Abortion (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-fetal-tissue-donations-abortion_55b28329e4b0074ba5a479d1?mc4k7qfr)

The same politicians who are voting to defund Planned Parenthood are the same politicians who voted to lift the ban on donating fetal tissue, which allows PP to do what they are doing, including Senator Mitch McConnell.

[Guest]

Would you force her to have an abortion?

Wow.......powerful turn on the question. Wish I would have thought of that myself. So, poster being addressed by above question, how do you answer that? I, too, would like to know as it provides insight into why you are asking YOUR question.

[Guest]

Wow.......powerful turn on the question. Wish I would have thought of that myself. So, poster being addressed by above question, how do you answer that? I, too, would like to know as it provides insight into why you are asking YOUR question.

The answer is NO, I would NOT force her to have an abortion. I do not have grandchildren but do have a daughter in her late 20's. It would be ENTIRELY up to her as what to do. That is called A Woman's Right To Choose. I would be there to support her in any choice she would make.

[Guest]

Because it is a moot point. I assume you're talking about minors ~ they have the ability to petition the court, and their request WILL be granted. The parents essentially have no say.

No, I was talking of some daughter or grand daughter over 18 years old - not a minor.

Not a moot point. An answer, please.

[Guest]

No, I was talking of some daughter or grand daughter over 18 years old - not a minor.

Not a moot point. An answer, please.

Since you are not speaking of minors, how could I possibly force them to do anything?

[Guest]

The answer is NO, I would NOT force her to have an abortion. I do not have grandchildren but do have a daughter in her late 20's. It would be ENTIRELY up to her as what to do. That is called A Woman's Right To Choose. I would be there to support her in any choice she would make.

Since you are not speaking of minors, how could I possibly force them to do anything?

Precisely. No matter my belief, I cannot force an adult to do anything.

Before anyone asks, yes, I would love and support my daughter regardless of her choice.

[Guest]

Same old same old party line defensive offense.

It is not a party line or political issue however the die hard special interest and die hard everything has to be red or blue don't really care. They just sway in what ever direction the wind blows that will bring a vote.

Moral issue? They could care less....it is all about the vote and NOTHING more.

And they are so good at playing the high and mighty what would you do offensive defense....and I do mean offensive! Also know that does not matter....just the vote.

[Guest]

Since you are not speaking of minors, how could I possibly force them to do anything?

How could you force them? By saying, "I forbid you to do this and if you have an abortion, you are no longer my daughter."

It sounds as though some who speak of abortions being butchery would actually go to this extreme. After all, how could you have a daughter who you believe is a murderer?

And also for a minor child (16 or so), pregnant by a boyfriend and wants an abortion - would you force her to have the unwanted child? If she went to court against her parents, that would almost guarantee a huge animosity that could not be healed over time.

[Guest]

How could you force them? By saying, "I forbid you to do this and if you have an abortion, you are no longer my daughter."

It sounds as though some who speak of abortions being butchery would actually go to this extreme. After all, how could you have a daughter who you believe is a murderer?

And also for a minor child (16 or so), pregnant by a boyfriend and wants an abortion - would you force her to have the unwanted child? If she went to court against her parents, that would almost guarantee a huge animosity that could not be healed over time.

And you think having an abortion is something you just get over?

[Guest]

You might want to check this story outside the radical right sources..

There were no baby parts sold....the parts, at the request of the donor, were donated to a research center. Planned Parenthood did charge a fee for SHIPPING

Just another sleazy right wing attempted sting against Planned Parenthood.

Wow, expensive "shipping!!" One perpetrator wanted a Lamborghini for "shipping." :confused:

[Guest]

I don't mean this as political so don't make it that way. What I don't understand is why, with Obama care, we still have Planned Parenthood doing abortions? They should be done in the hospitals and covered under Obamacare.

Because federally funded abortions are illegal?

[Guest]

You might want to check this story outside the radical right sources..

There were no baby parts sold....the parts, at the request of the donor, were donated to a research center. Planned Parenthood did charge a fee for SHIPPING

Just another sleazy right wing attempted sting against Planned Parenthood.

Ah yes, the old Right Wing Conspiracy ploy again. I understand that the sinking of the Titanic was also a Right Wing Conspiracy. Just because the liberal media refuses to air the news, does not make this a right wing conspiracy.

[Guest]

You are absolutely right!

Ask the radical right wing if they would accept a liver or kidney for their grandchild from one of these "murdered" donors? Would they pay the $100 shipping charge?

Typical liberal distortion and deflection. If I had the morals and ethics of a liberal, sure I would.

[Guest]

Great question!! Always interesting to see how many PETA supporters are also pro-abortion activists. Talk about screwed up priorities!

Amen!

[Guest]

3:18, I think you should answer first.

I'm not the poster you're quoting, but my answer is no. There are others sources for both kidneys and livers, sources that do not have the moral complications of using fetal tissue.

Amen. I agree.

[Guest]

Yes, as long as no one had to be murdered to get it.

How about you?

:agree:

[Guest]

Exactly where did these misinformed folks get the idea that someone was only paying for the shipping of the aborted babies?

I'm sure that someone will correct my numbers, but to my understanding there are almost a million children killed by abortion every year. Also, according to my limited research, the majority of abortions are performed on Democrats. Now, if I was morally and ethically bankrupt as a liberal, I would would have to believe that liberals are doing us a favor. But, I can't blame the baby for the morally corrupt parent.
Does anyone know the percentage of black babies that are aborted? I understand that there were more black babies aborted last year than were born. Is this a liberal conspiracy of genocide? Perhaps liberals will blame it on conservatives because they refuse to endorse wealth redistribution?

Liberals believe in killing an innocent soon-to-be baby thru no fault of its own, but abhor the idea of executing a convicted criminal that has killed another person. I think I can see the correlation there. I wonder if it is deemed ok for the Warden at the penitentiary to sell executed criminal body parts. Careful folks, someone may want to slice and dice you for resale when you croak. Wonder if I can get a franchise going at some of the assisted living establishments around here. Maybe a Lamborghini would look nice in my driveway.

[Guest]

Since you are not speaking of minors, how could I possibly force them to do anything?

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[Guest]

You all will justify everything in your own mind most likely made up by the usual right wing talking points fairy.

When you know you lost, just take your ball and go home. :cry::mad:

[Guest]

How is it that we hear all the Pro-Lifers spouting off about the terrible murdering of unborn children but they will never give any clear answer to:

What would you do if your daughter or grand daughter found herself pregnant by rape? Would you force her to have the unwanted child?

What's that got to do with selling body parts?

Divert -- Divert -- Divert :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[Guest]

Good thing that the law doesn't support postnatal abortions. There would sure be a lot less liberals and Obama would not have been elected. Seriously, it's mostly liberals that are having abortions, so that means that a bunch of you wouldn't exist. Just saying....:loco:

[Guest]

Planned Parenthood receives 1/2 Billion dollars from the gov't each year. Our tax dollars help to fund it. Pull the plug on the dollars and watch it wither on the vine.

works for me :thumbup:

[Guest]

The fact that democrats choose to use abortion as a vote getter is not very good press about their morals in the first place.
Then to not condem what is happening at or by Planned Parenthood.
And then even worse they try to make the killing, butchering and selling of fetal parts sound OK.

I know there just has to be some number o democrats, unfortunately remainin silent, that do understand the core issue.

There is apparently no wrong as long as the vote comes in their favor!

Same folks who find it OK to support an unethical, unqualified, liar as their candidate.

Bobble head obedience!

[Guest]

The fact that democrats choose to use abortion as a vote getter is not very good press about their morals in the first place.
Then to not condem what is happening at or by Planned Parenthood.
And then even worse they try to make the killing, butchering and selling of fetal parts sound OK.

I know there just has to be some number o democrats, unfortunately remainin silent, that do understand the core issue.

There is apparently no wrong as long as the vote comes in their favor!

Same folks who find it OK to support an unethical, unqualified, liar as their candidate.

Bobble head obedience!

They literally eat their own.

[Guest]

And you think having an abortion is something you just get over?


...and by that snarky reply, we all can see you as a Neanthrandal troll who would tell their daughter that an abortion is out of the question and she must carry and give birth to an unwanted child.

[Guest]

The fact that democrats choose to use abortion as a vote getter is not very good press about their morals in the first place.
Then to not condem what is happening at or by Planned Parenthood.
And then even worse they try to make the killing, butchering and selling of fetal parts sound OK.

I know there just has to be some number o democrats, unfortunately remainin silent, that do understand the core issue.

There is apparently no wrong as long as the vote comes in their favor!

Same folks who find it OK to support an unethical, unqualified, liar as their candidate.

Bobble head obedience!

The only organization that is under criminal investigation is the group that put together these videos, using a convicted felon in the sting. When the butchering and selling of fetal parts passed the senate, the vote was 97 to 3 in favor, back in 1993.

[Guest]

Push to defund Planned Parenthood lacks votes to pass | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/push-defund-planned-parenthood-lacks-votes-pass)


As of today, republicans do not have the votes to defund Planned Parenthood. Two republican senators said they will vote no when the vote is taken early next week. The GOP needs 60 votes for this to pass.

[Guest]

...and by that snarky reply, we all can see you as a Neanthrandal troll who would tell their daughter that an abortion is out of the question and she must carry and give birth to an unwanted child.

Had your parents been Pro-Abortion, and followed their convictions, we wouldn't have to read YOUR snarky posts.

[Guest]

...and by that snarky reply, we all can see you as a Neanthrandal troll who would tell their daughter that an abortion is out of the question and she must carry and give birth to an unwanted child.

And the problem with that is??????

I believe you misspelled Neanderthal, and I believe you inadvertently misrepresented them. If you are suggesting that one has ancient values and would cherish life regardless of the pregnancy circumstance due to moral and ethical mores, I hardly believe that would be a slur, but flattery. Kind of like saying "I don't like your superior patriotic loyalty."

[Guest]

The only organization that is under criminal investigation is the group that put together these videos, using a convicted felon in the sting. When the butchering and selling of fetal parts passed the senate, the vote was 97 to 3 in favor, back in 1993.

Kind of like saying we should investigate those navy seals that rescued 30 embassy employees in Benghazi for not obeying orders to stand down. And got themselves killed attempting to rescue the ambassador too. Instead of investigating the inept handling of the disaster by Clinton.

[Guest]

Every day there is more released. Here there is open discussion about what is legal to sell or not....also about getting caught....and what the lawyers for Planned Parenthood have done to protect the butchers:

Video: Planned Parenthood Doctor on How to Avoid Getting Caught (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/30/video-planned-parenthood-doctor-on-how-to-avoid-getting-caught-selling-baby-parts/)

[Guest]

Kind of like saying we should investigate those navy seals that rescued 30 embassy employees in Benghazi for not obeying orders to stand down. And got themselves killed attempting to rescue the ambassador too. Instead of investigating the inept handling of the disaster by Clinton.


Ooo, an anti-Clinton post! Try putting it on the right thread instead of posting after swilling your XXX Kool-Aid.

:a20::a20::a20:

[Guest]

...and by that snarky reply, we all can see you as a Neanthrandal troll who would tell their daughter that an abortion is out of the question and she must carry and give birth to an unwanted child.

Snarky? That's how you interpreted my question? Wow, not sure how you got that, but I will try to make an effort to explain it further, although I fear I may be just wasting my time. First of all, you made a lot of presumptions in your posts. For example, you said, "It sounds as though some who speak of abortions being butchery would actually go to this extreme" - the extreme being that a pro-lifer would disown their daughter for having an abortion. All that tells me is that you know nothing about the character of most people who are pro-life. In general they are not just pro-life, they are pro-human, pro-family - you don't just throw a life away whether it is growing inside of you or it's your 16 or 20 year old daughter who decides to do something that you feel may not be in their best interest.

Second, my question to you was - "And you think having an abortion is something you just get over?" - which was in response to your statement about a minor taking her parents to court over having an abortion and how that would be something from which one could never heal. Do you not realize the torment many women, very young and older, have gone through after an abortion? Talk about carrying something with you for a lifetime and a difficult healing process!

So no, I would not force my daughter to do anything, but I would in love and concern, talk to her about all options available to her so that she at least has a chance not to live with a lifetime of regret.

And finally, I'll address your name calling in the above post. I am hardly a Neanderthal. In fact, I'm probably younger than most people on this forum and to boot, I'm a woman! A conservative, pro-life woman and proud of it!

[Guest]

Snarky? That's how you interpreted my question? Wow, not sure how you got that, but I will try to make an effort to explain it further, although I fear I may be just wasting my time. First of all, you made a lot of presumptions in your posts. For example, you said, "It sounds as though some who speak of abortions being butchery would actually go to this extreme" - the extreme being that a pro-lifer would disown their daughter for having an abortion. All that tells me is that you know nothing about the character of most people who are pro-life. In general they are not just pro-life, they are pro-human, pro-family - you don't just throw a life away whether it is growing inside of you or it's your 16 or 20 year old daughter who decides to do something that you feel may not be in their best interest.

Second, my question to you was - "And you think having an abortion is something you just get over?" - which was in response to your statement about a minor taking her parents to court over having an abortion and how that would be something from which one could never heal. Do you not realize the torment many women, very young and older, have gone through after an abortion? Talk about carrying something with you for a lifetime and a difficult healing process!

So no, I would not force my daughter to do anything, but I would in love and concern, talk to her about all options available to her so that she at least has a chance not to live with a lifetime of regret.

And finally, I'll address your name calling in the above post. I am hardly a Neanderthal. In fact, I'm probably younger than most people on this forum and to boot, I'm a woman! A conservative, pro-life woman and proud of it!

:BigApplause:

[Guest]

Ooo, an anti-Clinton post! Try putting it on the right thread instead of posting after swilling your XXX Kool-Aid.

:a20::a20::a20:

Went over your head, huh? Try reading "Witty Replies for Dummies." They make a special version that they dummied down for liberal trolls. :loco:

[Guest]

I realize this will fall on deaf, and uninterested ears, but I have a need to express my utter and total disgust after watching the videos of Planned Parenthood bargaining and selling baby parts.

People say it is not a life, but it appears there is a market for selling the baby's innards and other parts. When you kill a living person, and I assume if people want to buy your parts you are living, that is called....



i love animals but i do not understand the upROAR of thousands for the lion while there is silence over 60 million babies sliced and diced!

[Guest]

Would you force her to have an abortion?

Dear guest: Whenever a liberal gets his/her backside up against the wall they revert to what if? arguments like this one to divert the discussion
This topic is not about a raped little girl. This topic is about the harvesting of body parts by Planned Parenthood, an organization that is funded by taxpayer money and despite their denials performs substantially most of the abortions in this country.

The fetal research, a poster submitted, that explained it was supported by Republicans did not reflect the selling of body parts by Planned Parenthood but again it really doesn't matter if they did because it is illegal and it is morally wrong and ethically dangerous because it crosses the line. People are either moral or immoral and party line is immaterial..and again we see another liberal strawman.

We see this strawman argument alot with Obama and liberals in general and we see liberals circle their wagons to protect their own like they are doing with Planned Parenthood.

What this really is all about is that liberals got caught red handed and it displayed how the rights of the unborn are violated right up to birth.

Abortion is murder. Abortion encourages recklessness and irresponsibility. Abortion is fooling with mother nature and mother nature doesn't like to be fooled with. And abortion has led to Planned Parenthoods open market for disbursing body parts and legal or illegal it is dangerous and crosses the line because people with entitlement mentalities can rationalize anything as right for the common good. Nazi Germany did it, and its being done now in the Middle East and Africa they do it with machetes we are doing it with so called science.

So if my granddaughter were raped I would not encourage to be raped again by an abortion.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Dear guest: Whenever a liberal gets his/her backside up against the wall they revert to what if? arguments like this one to divert the discussion
This topic is not about a raped little girl. This topic is about the harvesting of body parts by Planned Parenthood, an organization that is funded by taxpayer money and despite their denials performs substantially most of the abortions in this country.

The fetal research, a poster submitted, that explained it was supported by Republicans did not reflect the selling of body parts by Planned Parenthood but again it really doesn't matter if they did because it is illegal and it is morally wrong and ethically dangerous because it crosses the line. People are either moral or immoral and party line is immaterial..and again we see another liberal strawman.

We see this strawman argument alot with Obama and liberals in general and we see liberals circle their wagons to protect their own like they are doing with Planned Parenthood.

What this really is all about is that liberals got caught red handed and it displayed how the rights of the unborn are violated right up to birth.

Abortion is murder. Abortion encourages recklessness and irresponsibility. Abortion is fooling with mother nature and mother nature doesn't like to be fooled with. And abortion has led to Planned Parenthoods open market for disbursing body parts and legal or illegal it is dangerous and crosses the line because people with entitlement mentalities can rationalize anything as right for the common good. Nazi Germany did it, and its being done now in the Middle East and Africa they do it with machetes we are doing it with so called science.

So if my granddaughter were raped I would not encourage to be raped again by an abortion.

Personal Best Regards:

That is a very powerful statement. If only those who so adamantly support this movement of abortion without question, knew or cared about the effect that abortions have on many women. The repercussions often last a lifetime. It is not something you go through without lasting emotional scars that often exhibit themselves behaviorally and/or psychologically. I do not know this through first-hand experience, thank God, but have been the confidant to many who have. It is so heart-breaking.

[Guest]

That is a very powerful statement. If only those who so adamantly support this movement of abortion without question, knew or cared about the effect that abortions have on many women. The repercussions often last a lifetime. It is not something you go through without lasting emotional scars that often exhibit themselves behaviorally and/or psychologically. I do not know this through first-hand experience, thank God, but have been the confidant to many who have. It is so heart-breaking.

No matter how it is rationalized or digested or re-stated......a life is being deleted.
And not without consequences.
The approach that "life" is not until such time as...........is nothing more than a legal definition of the status of the fetus at some point in time.
Lawyers using, abusing or hiding behind the law.
The real question is.....at any point in the gestation the fetus is a viable creation that lives both in the womb (temporarily) and outside the womb permanently.

Abortion is the termination of a given life.......no matter how rationalized.
And most of all contrary to some who would make abortion a political/partisan issue.....IT IS a moral issue.........
To use abortion as vote bait is as immoral as the act itself!

[Guest]

i love animals but i do not understand the upROAR of thousands for the lion while there is silence over 60 million babies sliced and diced!

Can you imagine if Republican veterinarians were responsible for the slicing and dicing of 60 million unborn puppies? PETA and Liberals woulds be protesting in the streets!

[Guest]

No matter how it is rationalized or digested or re-stated......a life is being deleted.
And not without consequences.
The approach that "life" is not until such time as...........is nothing more than a legal definition of the status of the fetus at some point in time.
Lawyers using, abusing or hiding behind the law.
The real question is.....at any point in the gestation the fetus is a viable creation that lives both in the womb (temporarily) and outside the womb permanently.

Abortion is the termination of a given life.......no matter how rationalized.
And most of all contrary to some who would make abortion a political/partisan issue.....IT IS a moral issue.........
To use abortion as vote bait is as immoral as the act itself!

You are correct in what you say, but we have a law in place that now is the law.

What shocks me, especially on TOTV with all the grandparents that live here, is the posts defending the killing. I suppose these people saw sonograms of their daughters and/or granddaughters and saw that little head, and other features but come on here and triumph in killing them.

That, to me, is something I will never understand.

[Guest]

No matter how it is rationalized or digested or re-stated......a life is being deleted.
And not without consequences.
The approach that "life" is not until such time as...........is nothing more than a legal definition of the status of the fetus at some point in time.
Lawyers using, abusing or hiding behind the law.
The real question is.....at any point in the gestation the fetus is a viable creation that lives both in the womb (temporarily) and outside the womb permanently.

Abortion is the termination of a given life.......no matter how rationalized.
And most of all contrary to some who would make abortion a political/partisan issue.....IT IS a moral issue.........
To use abortion as vote bait is as immoral as the act itself!

You are correct in what you say, but we have a law in place that now is the law.

What shocks me, especially on TOTV with all the grandparents that live here, is the posts defending the killing. I suppose these people saw sonograms of their daughters and/or granddaughters and saw that little head, and other features but come on here and triumph in killing them.

That, to me, is something I will never understand.

[Guest]

You are correct in what you say, but we have a law in place that now is the law.

What shocks me, especially on TOTV with all the grandparents that live here, is the posts defending the killing. I suppose these people saw sonograms of their daughters and/or granddaughters and saw that little head, and other features but come on here and triumph in killing them.

That, to me, is something I will never understand.

Do you really think that the one poster on here that defends abortions, is from the villages? I think he is troll and there has been several misstatements made by him suggesting that.

I can almost/almost see how someone could defend the abortion law, but I cannot see how anyone/ANYONE could defend the disgusting practice of piecing out the body parts and selling them for a profit. And yet, the same folks that advocate this disgusting practice are also against executing convicted murderers. Only in America.

[Guest]

Many years ago, a dear friend of mine and her husband wanted to start a family. They were delighted when she got pregnant, and devastated to find out a few months later that their child had a fatal genetic condition. Carrying the child to term also posed a significant risk to my friend's life. After much prayer and after consulting with their physician and their minister, she had an abortion. Because the genetic condition was extremely rare, their physician asked if they would allow their baby's body to be used for research. Understanding that such research might help prevent other parents from experiencing the tragedy and grief that they had, they signed the papers. Having lived through this experience with them, I have come to believe that these decisions are best left to families and their doctors, and that it is very dangerous for governments to be involved in anything so personal and private.

[Guest]

Many years ago, a dear friend of mine and her husband wanted to start a family. They were delighted when she got pregnant, and devastated to find out a few months later that their child had a fatal genetic condition. Carrying the child to term also posed a significant risk to my friend's life. After much prayer and after consulting with their physician and their minister, she had an abortion. Because the genetic condition was extremely rare, their physician asked if they would allow their baby's body to be used for research. Understanding that such research might help prevent other parents from experiencing the tragedy and grief that they had, they signed the papers. Having lived through this experience with them, I have come to believe that these decisions are best left to families and their doctors, and that it is very dangerous for governments to be involved in anything so personal and private.

Thank you for a very good post.

However, only about 1% of abortions are due to necessity: medical, rape, incest. Getting the parents' permission is the same as organ donation. Selling body parts is much different, regardless of how those parts are used. It is a moral issue. In your case, or your friend's, it was admirable that they donated the baby to science. Selling body parts due to avarice regardless of final disposition of the parts, is disgusting and immoral.

[Guest]

Senate Vote Fails to Defund Planned Parenthood - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/senate-votes-against-defunding-planned-parenthood-n403441?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=6139056aa8f0c9b31456bfd1cb580027)


The senate failed today in its efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. The final vote was 53-46, 60 votes were needed to pass.

[Guest]

Senate Vote Fails to Defund Planned Parenthood - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/senate-votes-against-defunding-planned-parenthood-n403441?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=6139056aa8f0c9b31456bfd1cb580027)


The senate failed today in its efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. The final vote was 53-46, 60 votes were needed to pass.

Merely underscores that in Washington, either party, politics out weigh morals!
Disappointing but no surprise.

[Guest]

53-46, to me, they just admitted that Obamacare doesn't work. Planned Parenthood shouldn't just be defunded, it should be abolished and give the money to Obamacare.

[Guest]

Senate Vote Fails to Defund Planned Parenthood - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/senate-votes-against-defunding-planned-parenthood-n403441?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=6139056aa8f0c9b31456bfd1cb580027)


The senate failed today in its efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. The final vote was 53-46, 60 votes were needed to pass.

Not a surprise to anyone, and it was a vote on getting it to the floor for debate, not an actual de funding.

It does raise a few things to me anyway......

Will this issue, which is not going to go away, going to help the turnout of conservatives in 2016 ?

Will this spur a congressional investigation into the practices of Planned Parenthood ?

Glad it got to a vote....under Reid, most things never made it this far :)

[Guest]

53-46, to me, they just admitted that Obamacare doesn't work. Planned Parenthood shouldn't just be defunded, it should be abolished and give the money to Obamacare.

The vote was more of a ritual. BUT rest assured this vote will have repercussions for a lot of folks.

Not sure it will reach the Obama care part but it could.

[Guest]

53-46, to me, they just admitted that Obamacare doesn't work. Planned Parenthood shouldn't just be defunded, it should be abolished and give the money to Obamacare.

What does Obamacare have to do with Planned Parenthood?

[Guest]

What does Obamacare have to do with Planned Parenthood?

Obamacare should be doing what Planned Parenthood is TRYING to do but a whole lot better. Abortions should be done in real hospitals by real Doctors. Birth control pills should require a prescription by a real Doctor too. Just maybe we wouldn't be seeing the baby butchering we are seeing now.

[Guest]

53-46, to me, they just admitted that Obamacare doesn't work. Planned Parenthood shouldn't just be defunded, it should be abolished and give the money to Obamacare.

Either way, you are wasting taxpayer money.

[Guest]

What does Obamacare have to do with Planned Parenthood?

Oh my God!

[Guest]

Obamacare should be doing what Planned Parenthood is TRYING to do but a whole lot better. Abortions should be done in real hospitals by real Doctors. Birth control pills should require a prescription by a real Doctor too. Just maybe we wouldn't be seeing the baby butchering we are seeing now.

Dear Guest: You do realize that in every manner and respect you may believe it would be a whole lot better but it would also be the beginning of America's version of the Final Solution. I do not want my tax dollars to pay for birth control in any size ,shape or manner (period). You are opening the door of opportunity for future unciviized, unethical and immoral practices. Abortions became law because people rationalized that it is acceptable to kill the unborn for the vanity of the living.

China rationalized a one child policy and now find their country's population aging quickly and hence reverse its one child policy. America is murdering its future. And embracing and celebrating single mother births is adding fuel to this dangerous path we take.

Snicker if you will, call me dated, but history past and present is on my side of this discussion.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1095555]Dear Guest: You do realize that in every manner and respect you may believe it would be a whole lot better but it would also be the beginning of America's version of the Final Solution. I do not want my tax dollars to pay for birth control in any size ,shape or manner (period). You are opening the door of opportunity for future unciviized, unethical and immoral practices. Abortions became law because people rationalized that it is acceptable to kill the unborn for the vanity of the living.

China rationalized a one child policy and now find their country's population aging quickly and hence reverse its one child policy. America is murdering its future. And embracing and celebrating single mother births is adding fuel to this dangerous path we take./QUOTE]

On one hand you seem to say you are against abortion 100 percent. However, on the next paragraph, you say that embracing single mother births is wrong. So, are you saying you do or do not agree that single minority mothers should have abortions on demand so that there are fewer welfare babies? Which is it?

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1095555]Dear Guest: You do realize that in every manner and respect you may believe it would be a whole lot better but it would also be the beginning of America's version of the Final Solution. I do not want my tax dollars to pay for birth control in any size ,shape or manner (period). You are opening the door of opportunity for future unciviized, unethical and immoral practices. Abortions became law because people rationalized that it is acceptable to kill the unborn for the vanity of the living.

China rationalized a one child policy and now find their country's population aging quickly and hence reverse its one child policy. America is murdering its future. And embracing and celebrating single mother births is adding fuel to this dangerous path we take./QUOTE]

On one hand you seem to say you are against abortion 100 percent. However, on the next paragraph, you say that embracing single mother births is wrong. So, are you saying you do or do not agree that single minority mothers should have abortions on demand so that there are fewer welfare babies? Which is it?

Why does it always have to be one or the other with your type? That person may be against abortion AND against single mother births. You can discourage single mother births by several means. One is to NOT add welfare money for each child born. Harsh? Maybe, but tough love may be called for. You can educate females at an early age about birth control and quit with the stupid shows on TV about teen mothers, unless the liberal Hollywood idiots want to show the hardship and negative but real aspects of raising children by single parents. If the gov insists on forcing everyone to purchase health care insurance, then they can also force single women with a lower income and not able to support children, to participate in birth control. As much as I hate big gov, if they are going to take responsibility for me having health care, then maybe this is something that they should also be responsible for, birth control enforcement. If the mother can't take care of the child properly, then take the child away from her until which time she is able to take care of it. Just different options to kick around. I am not saying that I subscribe to any of them, but I am just showing that it doesn't have to be "either one" of two choices that you suggest. One thing we know that doesn't work, rewarding those that have more babies by giving them more welfare. I know you are going to suggest that if we cut their welfare for having babies then we are encouraging them to seek abortion. That might be true, but if the gov quits paying for those abortions maybe FEAR of having to support a bunch of kids will give them incentive to utilize one of the many types of free birth control that's offered today.
Of course, I can see the need response of "Republicans hate women, Republicans hate children." Well, I have one for you liberals too. Liberals hate children because they want to abort them before they are even born. When you have more black babies aborted than born, that should tell you how the liberals think. What happened to "black lives matter" ????

[Guest]

I think the best method of getting rid of all those welfare babies is to mandate tubal ligation at the time of a welfare mother's second child birth. No abortions, no birth control pills and no more welfare babies.

[Guest]

I think the best method of getting rid of all those welfare babies is to mandate tubal ligation at the time of a welfare mother's second child birth. No abortions, no birth control pills and no more welfare babies.

Even though I dislike the gov infringement on us, your means to a solution would be absolute.

[Guest]

I think the best method of getting rid of all those welfare babies is to mandate tubal ligation at the time of a welfare mother's second child birth. No abortions, no birth control pills and no more welfare babies.
Entrepreneurs would open up tubal ligation reversal clinics and somehow the government would end up paying for a second procedure.

[Guest]

Entrepreneurs would open up tubal ligation reversal clinics and somehow the government would end up paying for a second procedure.

Can't argue with that. Innovative capitalism is great, isn't it?

[Guest]

I think the best method of getting rid of all those welfare babies is to mandate tubal ligation at the time of a welfare mother's second child birth. No abortions, no birth control pills and no more welfare babies.


And this is the party of smaller government? Mike Huckabee is your guy. He recently said as president, he would use the national guard to monitor every pregnancy.

[Guest]

And this is the party of smaller government? Mike Huckabee is your guy. He recently said as president, he would use the national guard to monitor every pregnancy.

Um. Not quite. Huckabee's not my favorite candidate, but that's not what he said.

Mother Jones ought to be an acceptable source for you:

"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told supporters in Iowa on Thursday that if he were elected president he would consider using the FBI or National Guard to end abortion by force. .."

Huckabee Says He'd Consider Using Federal Troops to Stop Abortions | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/07/mike-huckabee-federal-troops-abortion)

[Guest]

Um. Not quite. Huckabee's not my favorite candidate, but that's not what he said.

Mother Jones ought to be an acceptable source for you:

"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told supporters in Iowa on Thursday that if he were elected president he would consider using the FBI or National Guard to end abortion by force. .."

Huckabee Says He'd Consider Using Federal Troops to Stop Abortions | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/07/mike-huckabee-federal-troops-abortion)


So Mike Huckabee would use the FBI or federal troops to stop a legal procedure? On what grounds? Would he have the FBI and National Guard inspecting every woman's uterus, or would he build a wall around those uteri? This guy is a real whacko, IMO.

[Guest]

"The Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibbi pressed Huckabee at the next campaign stop, asking if he would use the national guard or the FBI to stop abortions. Huckabee responded: “We’ll see, if I get to be president.”

He then said he would use all resources available to stop abortions if he were to reach the White House."

Not exactly what you said when quoting him. You can read more about it, if you are so inclined.
Personally, I am more interested in foreign policy and the economy. But, I would shut down funding for PP, even if an investigation could not prove a criminal violation

[Guest]

The senate failed today in its efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. The final vote was 53-46, 60 votes were needed to pass.


McConnell voted no as a procedural move to preserve the option of bringing up the bill for another vote.

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who is both a co-sponsor of the bill and a presidential candidate, was the only member to miss the vote.

They're waiting until Sep when funding will be brought up for the new fiscal year. It will be interesting to see how that goes.

[Guest]

So, let's recap. The plan to defund Planned Parenthood failed. The Supreme Court ruled that the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. The Supreme Court ruled that same sex marriage is the law of the land. The Supreme Court many years ago ruled that it is a woman's right to choose to have an abortion.

Republicans are really in touch with reality, aren't they?

:popcorn:

[Guest]

So, let's recap. The plan to defund Planned Parenthood failed. The Supreme Court ruled that the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. The Supreme Court ruled that same sex marriage is the law of the land. The Supreme Court many years ago ruled that it is a woman's right to choose to have an abortion.

Republicans are really in touch with reality, aren't they?

:popcorn:

It's just like Senator Elizabeth Warren said yesterday on the floor of the senate "it seems like they fell and hit their heads and woke up in the 1950's".

It just doesn't seem like a good strategy for 2016 to declare a war on women, the largest voting bloc with 53% of the voters.

The GOP never seems to learn from their mistakes of alienating almost every segment of the population. Losing five of the last six presidential elections popular vote should have been a wake up call.

How about a plank in the next GOP platform that states 'We believe that all men and women are created equal and each should be free to control their own healthcare'?

[Guest]

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Why does it always have to be one or the other with your type? That person may be against abortion AND against single mother births. You can discourage single mother births by several means. One is to NOT add welfare money for each child born. Harsh? Maybe, but tough love may be called for. You can educate females at an early age about birth control and quit with the stupid shows on TV about teen mothers, unless the liberal Hollywood idiots want to show the hardship and negative but real aspects of raising children by single parents. If the gov insists on forcing everyone to purchase health care insurance, then they can also force single women with a lower income and not able to support children, to participate in birth control. As much as I hate big gov, if they are going to take responsibility for me having health care, then maybe this is something that they should also be responsible for, birth control enforcement. If the mother can't take care of the child properly, then take the child away from her until which time she is able to take care of it. Just different options to kick around. I am not saying that I subscribe to any of them, but I am just showing that it doesn't have to be "either one" of two choices that you suggest. One thing we know that doesn't work, rewarding those that have more babies by giving them more welfare. I know you are going to suggest that if we cut their welfare for having babies then we are encouraging them to seek abortion. That might be true, but if the gov quits paying for those abortions maybe FEAR of having to support a bunch of kids will give them incentive to utilize one of the many types of free birth control that's offered today.
Of course, I can see the need response of "Republicans hate women, Republicans hate children." Well, I have one for you liberals too. Liberals hate children because they want to abort them before they are even born. When you have more black babies aborted than born, that should tell you how the liberals think. What happened to "black lives matter" ????

Dear Guest: I happen to agree with much that you have said. apparently you misunderstand my comments. The reference to abortion and single mothers in my comments wasn't an and/or but a statement on how both of these issue reflects the march toward moral anarchy that continues.

Liberals celebrate both ,to wit: the endorsement by Hollywood starting with Murphy Brown. It may have been cool for a rich independent Murphy Brown but that is not the reality of most and even Murphy Brown's child was denied a father and worse yet probably had several fathers along the way....quite confusing for a child don't you think?

I did not extrapolate in my comments about all this because the subject matter was Planned Parenthood and I didn't want to get off line. I appreciate that you read my comments because I find so many posters on this forum that apparently don't read other posters comments but just want to rant and rave

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

I never did understand the concept of equating abortion with healthcare unless you have the democratic mindset that pregnancy is a disease. For the record, Obamacare hardly equates to controlling your own healthcare - the government is dictating what you must do or pay a penalty. Many people don't feel the government has our best interests in mind, as demonstrated by a long history of lying and deception on many, many topics.

It's just like Senator Elizabeth Warren said yesterday on the floor of the senate "it seems like they fell and hit their heads and woke up in the 1950's".

It just doesn't seem like a good strategy for 2016 to declare a war on women, the largest voting bloc with 53% of the voters.

The GOP never seems to learn from their mistakes of alienating almost every segment of the population. Losing five of the last six presidential elections popular vote should have been a wake up call.

How about a plank in the next GOP platform that states 'We believe that all men and women are created equal and each should be free to control their own healthcare'?

[Guest]

It's just like Senator Elizabeth Warren said yesterday on the floor of the senate "it seems like they fell and hit their heads and woke up in the 1950's".

It just doesn't seem like a good strategy for 2016 to declare a war on women, the largest voting bloc with 53% of the voters.

The GOP never seems to learn from their mistakes of alienating almost every segment of the population. Losing five of the last six presidential elections popular vote should have been a wake up call.

How about a plank in the next GOP platform that states 'We believe that all men and women are created equal and each should be free to control their own healthcare'?

Sen Warren is a POLITICIAN, plain and simple.

During the 2012 campaign an Obama aide said the President felt like Romney was stuck way back in the fifties and it turned out that he was right on every single thing.

Her tone and dismissiveness is becoming sort of routine for the Democrats.

YET...they would be the first to say you should be true to what you feel. Ignoring those who oppose this and find the recent videos appalling is ignoring the majority of americans.

She can strike that mocking attitude all she wants. MOST americans who are not in politics think there needs to be a discussion on Planned Parenthood.

Even your post tells everyone what they need to know.

You speak to VOTING BLOCKS and not principal.. You speak of POLITICAL PARTIES and not morals.

[Guest]

Sen Warren is a POLITICIAN, plain and simple.

During the 2012 campaign an Obama aide said the President felt like Romney was stuck way back in the fifties and it turned out that he was right on every single thing.

Her tone and dismissiveness is becoming sort of routine for the Democrats.

YET...they would be the first to say you should be true to what you feel. Ignoring those who oppose this and find the recent videos appalling is ignoring the majority of americans.

She can strike that mocking attitude all she wants. MOST americans who are not in politics think there needs to be a discussion on Planned Parenthood.

Even your post tells everyone what they need to know.

You speak to VOTING BLOCKS and not principal.. You speak of POLITICAL PARTIES and not morals.


So women who speak out for women's healthcare are militants, but Jeb Bush, who said today that "we don't need to spend half a billion dollars a year on women's healthcare" is what? Astute?

It's Christmas in August for democrats.

[Guest]

I never did understand the concept of equating abortion with healthcare unless you have the democratic mindset that pregnancy is a disease. For the record, Obamacare hardly equates to controlling your own healthcare - the government is dictating what you must do or pay a penalty. Many people don't feel the government has our best interests in mind, as demonstrated by a long history of lying and deception on many, many topics.

You never equated abortions with healthcare? They are performed in a sterile clinic or hospital. Birthing babies is equated with healthcare for the same reason.

The ACA is a health insurance provider. You pay a penalty if you opt not to get health insurance. Check out what Romney did. Works pretty good.

[Guest]

So women who speak out for women's healthcare are militants, but Jeb Bush, who said today that "we don't need to spend half a billion dollars a year on women's healthcare" is what? Astute?

It's Christmas in August for democrats.

Give a Republican candidate a gun and he or she will automatically shoot themself in the foot. And Republicans don't want gun control! :1rotfl:

[Guest]

You two who are on here giggling and laughing about stupid stuff and making wise cracks...

Have you seen today's video.....making plans to sell whole and complete babies, and while it is your right to support them, apparently this stuff is ok with you.

Be proud of what you stand for.

And just adding about that woman vote you wave around...


"Many Democrats have long hoped that Hillary Clinton might expand Barack Obama‘s electoral coalition by drawing in more white women voters."

"A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll suggests she may have a tough time pulling it off. Mrs. Clinton is losing ground with white women and many other important slices of the electorate, the poll shows, amid a spate of reports about her email practices, speaking fees and foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation."

Hillary Clinton Loses Ground With White Women (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/04/hillary-clinton-loses-ground-with-white-women-wsjnbc-poll/)

[Guest]

The video about Planned Parenthood selling fetal tissue is a fabrication, a lie, made by right wingers who do not care one iota about children that are alive, only gestational fetuses.

Where are the caring Republicans who want to provide health care to poor women and their families in need? Nowhere! These same "pro-lifers" (an oxymoron for sure) decry poor women who have to feed the children the "pro-lifers" insist the poor must carry. Women with financial means will make sure they get medical services.

Only 3% of Planned Parenthood's budget goes to abortion services. That means a full 97% of its services are for women's, neonatal and family health. That includes birth control services. Take away that funding and more women and babies will die from inadequate health care. Without birth control services, more women will get pregnant and there will then be MORE ABORTIONS! Is that what you really want?!?!?!?

The Supreme Court, rightfully so decided that abortions should be legal in all 50 states back in 1973 with Roe v. Wade. That was a great decision and a great day. It gave women control of their reproductive rights. No one should tell a woman she should remain pregnant if she does not want to be! All children SHOULD be wanted and not a consequence.

The Republicans only want to chip away at women's rights and autonomy. It is for that reason, and among others, that the Republican leadership and platform make me sick.

I like it here in The Villages, but it is the preponderance of Republicans that makes the place far from perfect.

PLAN PARENTHOOD deserves every penny it gets. Their budget should be expanded. If any of you were truly Christian, you would see that Planned Parenthood benefits those in need and you would support its programs.

[Guest]

I'm one of those right wing extremists who says it doesn't matter how you libs try to spin it, what Planned Parenthood is doing is evil, plain and simple! If you do not believe the truth, then I assume you haven't seen the videos! Don't comment if you haven't watched the videos! If you do watch the videos and you see nothing wrong, I don't want to hear from you as we have absolutely NOTHING in common! It's a shame this has to be in the political column. It should not come down to policitics but then I guess everything does!

[Guest]

The video about Planned Parenthood selling fetal tissue is a fabrication, a lie, made by right wingers who do not care one iota about children that are alive, only gestational fetuses.

Where are the caring Republicans who want to provide health care to poor women and their families in need? Nowhere! These same "pro-lifers" (an oxymoron for sure) decry poor women who have to feed the children the "pro-lifers" insist the poor must carry. Women with financial means will make sure they get medical services.

Only 3% of Planned Parenthood's budget goes to abortion services. That means a full 97% of its services are for women's, neonatal and family health. That includes birth control services. Take away that funding and more women and babies will die from inadequate health care. Without birth control services, more women will get pregnant and there will then be MORE ABORTIONS! Is that what you really want?!?!?!?

The Supreme Court, rightfully so decided that abortions should be legal in all 50 states back in 1973 with Roe v. Wade. That was a great decision and a great day. It gave women control of their reproductive rights. No one should tell a woman she should remain pregnant if she does not want to be! All children SHOULD be wanted and not a consequence.

The Republicans only want to chip away at women's rights and autonomy. It is for that reason, and among others, that the Republican leadership and platform make me sick.

I like it here in The Villages, but it is the preponderance of Republicans that makes the place far from perfect.

PLAN PARENTHOOD deserves every penny it gets. Their budget should be expanded. If any of you were truly Christian, you would see that Planned Parenthood benefits those in need and you would support its programs.

If it's fabricated then why did the head of PP come out and apologize for it. She never said it was fabricated! You can see actual PP employees and the words are coming out of their mouths. Are they ventriloquist dummies with evil Republicans speaking for them! It's legit ok and I hope they lose every penny of taxpayers money! Woe to those who call evil good!

[Guest]

They (PP) like to state they are not doing anything illegal.

Which only means it can be wrong or immoral (but legal) because of the letter of the law.

So for you blind faith partisans is it OK with you that PP is in fact butchering the aborted fetus to sell? Please asnswer this question and not wander all over and around it. Actually it is a simple yes or no question for most of us.

[Guest]

Gotta love those liberals that claim everything is a GOP fabrication. But, I understand how it is. After all, Obama blames global warming on the GOP. Liberals even blame terrorism on the GOP. When we go down like Greece, they'll still be singing the same old ignorant song. Talk about a textbook example of being in DENIAL.

[Guest]

Abortion, as practiced by the last majority, is retroactive birth control for those who are too lazy or irresponsible to take other measures. Trying to pass it off as healthcare is a joke and a lame attempt to legitimize a despicable practice. The fact that my tax dollars provide funding to PP, the largest provider of abortions, is also despicable.

You are wrong. The ACA is NOT a health insurance provider. It is a law that tells you that you must go to health insurance companies (which essentially handle the paperwork to the actual healthcare providers and attempt to manage risk over a pool of subscribers) for coverage.

You never equated abortions with healthcare? They are performed in a sterile clinic or hospital. Birthing babies is equated with healthcare for the same reason.

The ACA is a health insurance provider. You pay a penalty if you opt not to get health insurance. Check out what Romney did. Works pretty good.

[Guest]

So women who speak out for women's healthcare are militants, but Jeb Bush, who said today that "we don't need to spend half a billion dollars a year on women's healthcare" is what? Astute?

It's Christmas in August for democrats.

"In his follow-up statement, Bush said he was referring to the “hard-to-fathom” $500 million in federal funding that Planned Parenthood receives each year."

[Guest]

Planned Parenthood is a radical organization that's aim is to limit or reduce the black population. If not, then why are they NOT encouraging black women to birth instead of abort? More black babies were aborted than born last year. Would you not say that PP is responsible for this? And by default, the Democrat party which supports PP is an accessory to reducing the black population. That is no more radical speech than Dems claiming that everything is a GOP hoax or conspiracy.

[Guest]

Clinton may very well get elected but more and more people are starting to realize that she is fundamentally dishonest and even worse, she apparently doesn't feel like the rules apply to her. This sort of arrogance doesn't sit well with most people (at least people who give a s***). If she does get elected, it will be the final confirmation that we have a majority in this country who are truly uniformed and/or simply don't care. In that case, hunker down because it is going to be a rough ride as the country adopts economic and social policies that will hasten the slide towards European style apathy and mediocrity.

You two who are on here giggling and laughing about stupid stuff and making wise cracks...

Have you seen today's video.....making plans to sell whole and complete babies, and while it is your right to support them, apparently this stuff is ok with you.

Be proud of what you stand for.

And just adding about that woman vote you wave around...


"Many Democrats have long hoped that Hillary Clinton might expand Barack Obama‘s electoral coalition by drawing in more white women voters."

"A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll suggests she may have a tough time pulling it off. Mrs. Clinton is losing ground with white women and many other important slices of the electorate, the poll shows, amid a spate of reports about her email practices, speaking fees and foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation."

Hillary Clinton Loses Ground With White Women (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/04/hillary-clinton-loses-ground-with-white-women-wsjnbc-poll/)

[Guest]

"In his follow-up statement, Bush :1rotfl:said he was referring to the “hard-to-fathom” $500 million in federal funding that Planned Parenthood receives each year.:1rotfl:"

Jeb says one thing and then a follow up statement from his office saying what he really meant?

Flub-A-Dub Bush will be his campaign name.

[Guest]

Jeb says one thing and then a follow up statement from his office saying what he really meant?

Flub-A-Dub Bush will be his campaign name.

Heck, you should be used to this with the Clintons.

Man they invented the book on walking things back and correcting what they "meant" to say.

Poster children for this.

You must be a tweet follower of Hillary as that story is ONLY alive in that area. Others have moved on to REAL things.

[Guest]

Like the FBI now involved in the investigation of her emails.

Yeah, a quality lady.

And she has the nerve to tweet about anyone else.

She can just hope to ever have the character of Jeb Bush or most of the other candidates.

Her lead lady, you know the exposer Weiner's gal, is her right hand woman and probably handles the tweets, although she is also under investigation...

Class act all around.

[Guest]

Apparently the subject of the thread has lost it's attraction for discussion.

[Guest]

"In his follow-up statement, Bush said he was referring to the “hard-to-fathom” $500 million in federal funding that Planned Parenthood receives each year."

As usual liberals spin things the way that will make them feel they are right. If they had posted what he actually said you would know he was NOT talking about limiting women's healthcare at all! THERE IS NO WAR ON WOMEN!

[Guest]

Apparently the subject of the thread has lost it's attraction for discussion.

If you can't swim, stay out of the water! CRICKETS!

[Guest]

So women who speak out for women's healthcare are militants, but Jeb Bush, who said today that "we don't need to spend half a billion dollars a year on women's healthcare" is what? Astute?

It's Christmas in August for democrats.

As usual liberals spin things the way that will make them feel they are right. If they had posted what he actually said you would know he was NOT talking about limiting women's healthcare at all! THERE IS NO WAR ON WOMEN!

You don't think that Jeb Bush's words are not going to be put on a loop and played over and over again during the general election, whoever the candidate is?

You don't think calling in the National Guard and FBI to monitor women's pregnancies is declaring WAR ON WOMEN?

[Guest]

Jeb says one thing and then a follow up statement from his office saying what he really meant?

Flub-A-Dub Bush will be his campaign name.

Probably better than being known as a thief and liar as is Billary. Don't worry, she is a shoo in for the election,,,ha,ha. No need to hurry to the polls on election day. Wasted effort, since it will be a landslide. She doesn't need a majority of the votes. That's why she isn't even campaigning. She doesn't even need a primary. Pelosi can "deem" her president and queen.

[Guest]

You don't think that Jeb Bush's words are not going to be put on a loop and played over and over again during the general election, whoever the candidate is?

You don't think calling in the National Guard and FBI to monitor women's pregnancies is declaring WAR ON WOMEN?

As explained earlier, neither of these statements are accurate.

As a female in her late 50's, the War on Women is a bunch of bullpoo.

[Guest]

You don't think that Jeb Bush's words are not going to be put on a loop and played over and over again during the general election, whoever the candidate is?

You don't think calling in the National Guard and FBI to monitor women's pregnancies is declaring WAR ON WOMEN?

You have to get a life.

Your shrieking what the radicals in your party are shrieking is falling on deaf ears and you become comical instead of listened to.

And that would apply to the right also but they do not scream this stupidity as much, or even much at all.

So, trust me..you are not being taken seriously with posts like this. You are much like your idol however...she parses each word and so does your sources....anything to slam someone.

[Guest]

As explained earlier, neither of these statements are accurate.

As a female in her late 50's, the War on Women is a bunch of bullpoo.

More time spent on CNN yesterday explain how the settings on air conditioners was sexist because it was set for a mans metabolism instead of a woman way back in the 60's.

What is important anymore...everyone is looking for some political angle instead of looking for right and justice.

[Guest]

You don't think that Jeb Bush's words are not going to be put on a loop and played over and over again during the general election, whoever the candidate is?

You don't think calling in the National Guard and FBI to monitor women's pregnancies is declaring WAR ON WOMEN?

You are probably right. After all, when liberals have NOTHING of substance to off, slur the opponent. Republicans will be telling what they will be doing if elected, and Billary's campaign will consist of mimicking Southerners and ebonics, and assuring everyone that contrary to evidence everything wrong in the world is a GOP conspiracy. And she will say that any of the accusations against her and her disgraceful job performance, are just ridiculous. She is just a poor, misunderstood grandmother, just barely making it in this world. Just above the poverty level. After all, she did leave the White House, dirt poor (her words). Sure she forgot to report $25 million, but that's just a silly slip up. What is the big deal? What difference doe it make? Now, leave her alone because she wants to redo herself into....what?

And what does this have to do with Planned Parenthood?

[Guest]

You are probably right. After all, when liberals have NOTHING of substance to off, slur the opponent. Republicans will be telling what they will be doing if elected, and Billary's campaign will consist of mimicking Southerners and ebonics, and assuring everyone that contrary to evidence everything wrong in the world is a GOP conspiracy. And she will say that any of the accusations against her and her disgraceful job performance, are just ridiculous. She is just a poor, misunderstood grandmother, just barely making it in this world. Just above the poverty level. After all, she did leave the White House, dirt poor (her words). Sure she forgot to report $25 million, but that's just a silly slip up. What is the big deal? What difference doe it make? Now, leave her alone because she wants to redo herself into....what?

And what does this have to do with Planned Parenthood?

WARNING.....left wing posters have this little thing they do.

They waive off the topic when it gets sticky and then when you respond they then berate you for changing the thread topic.

It helps them avoid actually discussing the topic or spending time even finding out about it.

[Guest]

Probably better than being known as a thief and liar as is Billary. Don't worry, she is a shoo in for the election,,,ha,ha. No need to hurry to the polls on election day. Wasted effort, since it will be a landslide. She doesn't need a majority of the votes. That's why she isn't even campaigning. She doesn't even need a primary. Pelosi can "deem" her president and queen.

Hillary Clinton isn't even campaigning? Really??? Hillary has headquarters and volunteers set up in all 50 states and has visited 30 states already. This is happening beneath the radar as republican candidates fight it out for the nomination.

Anybody that followed Barack Obama's run for the White House closely knows that one big reason he won twice was because of the organization that he set up. Unless you worked for that organization, you have no idea what a well-oiled machine that was. They identified every voter and made sure those voters got to the polls on election day. Now Hillary Clinton is replicating that winning strategy.

[Guest]

Hillary Clinton isn't even campaigning? Really??? Hillary has headquarters and volunteers set up in all 50 states and has visited 30 states already. This is happening beneath the radar as republican candidates fight it out for the nomination.

Anybody that followed Barack Obama's run for the White House closely knows that one big reason he won twice was because of the organization that he set up. Unless you worked for that organization, you have no idea what a well-oiled machine that was. They identified every voter and made sure those voters got to the polls on election day. Now Hillary Clinton is replicating that winning strategy.

So, how do you feel about Planned Parenthood now looking to adjust how they kill the young ones so they can sell a complete body ?

It will, in their words entail working around the crushing of the head.

The will need to use equipment that does not destroy above or below the waist, but save especially the head.

Did you wonder who would want this entire body ?

[Guest]

So, how do you feel about Planned Parenthood now looking to adjust how they kill the young ones so they can sell a complete body ?

It will, in their words entail working around the crushing of the head.

The will need to use equipment that does not destroy above or below the waist, but save especially the head.

Did you wonder who would want this entire body ?

Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) has his office open today in The Villages. Have you ever thought of stepping away from the computer and marching over there and letting it be known that the law that allows this practice should be repealed?

[Guest]

Watch out billary for that sniper. Oh, that was just a lie she made. What difference does it make? A renown news anchor made the same mistake (lying) and got fired. Can't we just "fire" her?

[Guest]

Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) has his office open today in The Villages. Have you ever thought of stepping away from the computer and marching over there and letting it be known that the law that allows this practice should be repealed?

Trust me, Bill knows how I feel

AND since you always seem to be concerned about my time on the computer.

Have not posted in quite awhile but my wife had major surgery and I am staying close to home as possible to aid her in recuperating and thus you are stuck with me for a bit.

Stay out of the Sandtraps.

[Guest]

As explained earlier, neither of these statements are accurate.

As a female in her late 50's, the War on Women is a bunch of bullpoo.

Wilmore: GOP Is Waging A Pap Smear Against Women (VIDEO) (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wilmore-planned-parenthood-defund-vote?utm_content=buffer5cfd4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

If you don't like the term 'war on women', how about 'pap smear of women'?

Unfortunately, for both Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee, there is video tape of their statements.

[Guest]

Trust me, Bill knows how I feel

AND since you always seem to be concerned about my time on the computer.

Have not posted in quite awhile but my wife had major surgery and I am staying close to home as possible to aid her in recuperating and thus you are stuck with me for a bit.

Stay out of the Sandtraps.

Best wishes for her full and speedy recovery.
ST

[Guest]

Best wishes for her full and speedy recovery.
ST

Thank you and I KNOW your wishes are sincere in order to reduce my time on here bugging you and your group :)

[Guest]

I understand that liberals are attempting to legalize suicide. They say, it's my body and I have a right to do with it as I wish. Does that mean that planned parenthood could get involved? Perhaps they can make sure that you do yourself in, in such a manner that they can sell your body parts.

[Guest]

Wilmore: GOP Is Waging A Pap Smear Against Women (VIDEO) (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wilmore-planned-parenthood-defund-vote?utm_content=buffer5cfd4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

If you don't like the term 'war on women', how about 'pap smear of women'?

Unfortunately, for both Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee, there is video tape of their statements.

Nothing to do with the term. The concept is ridiculous. Women have more opportunity than ever, and opportunity continues to increase.

[Guest]

I understand that liberals are attempting to legalize suicide. They say, it's my body and I have a right to do with it as I wish. Does that mean that planned parenthood could get involved? Perhaps they can make sure that you do yourself in, in such a manner that they can sell your body parts.

Committing suicide is not illegal. In order for an act to be illegal, there has to be a punishment or penalty imposed for the illegal action. How do you punish a dead person?

[Guest]

Nothing to do with the term. The concept is ridiculous. Women have more opportunity than ever, and opportunity continues to increase.

Jeb Bush would like everyone to move on and forget what he said, but when it comes to ladyparts, women will never forget.

[Guest]

Jeb Bush would like everyone to move on and forget what he said, but when it comes to ladyparts, women will never forget.

IF Jeb Bush would be the nominee for Republicans, that sound bite would be played over and over. He said it - he owns it. The women are not going vote as a bloc for him because of that stupid statement. A politician makes a foot in the mouth statement and no matter how often they retract it - they own it.

[Guest]

Jeb Bush would like everyone to move on and forget what he said, but when it comes to ladyparts, women will never forget.

You are sort of developing an obsession, don't you think :) See the latest

"A new poll shows Hillary Clinton is losing support among a demographic that is key to her efforts to win the White House: white women."


Read more: Poll: Hillary losing support of white women - Isabelle Taft - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/poll-hillary-clinton-white-women-support-declining-120982.html#ixzz3hynj4WXE)

By the way are there any other issues to you ? Like character, honesty and all that old time bunk ??

[Guest]

IF Jeb Bush would be the nominee for Republicans, that sound bite would be played over and over. He said it - he owns it. The women are not going vote as a bloc for him because of that stupid statement. A politician makes a foot in the mouth statement and no matter how often they retract it - they own it.

I know what you mean....like


""What difference, at this point does it make?"

OR

"“Don't let anybody tell you that, you know, it's corporations and businesses that create jobs.”

OR


""We came out of the White House not only dead broke but in debt,"

[Guest]

Committing suicide is not illegal. In order for an act to be illegal, there has to be a punishment or penalty imposed for the illegal action. How do you punish a dead person?

But the move by the liberals is to LEGALIZE it....see, that would accommodate your problem with it, so .....

Wait, I see your point.....dead is dead like the babies.....I got it...YOU DONT !

[Guest]

I know what you mean....like


""What difference, at this point does it make?"

OR

"“Don't let anybody tell you that, you know, it's corporations and businesses that create jobs.”

OR


""We came out of the White House not only dead broke but in debt,"

Exactly like that.

We also had, "Read my lips, no new taxes."

There was something about weapons of mass destruction by someone else.

Lots of great one liners that come back to bite in the butt.

[Guest]

Exactly like that.

We also had, "Read my lips, no new taxes."

There was something about weapons of mass destruction by someone else.

Lots of great one liners that come back to bite in the butt.

But you were only mentioning and going on about Jeb Bush.....

you must have just forgotten. There for a minute I thought you were being immature and bias but gee...was I wrong

[Guest]

Can we stop the one line grade school stuff now ?

I usually do not engage but it was so easy given the subject but I do not want to play any longer.

Perhaps you could discuss as I asked you earlier...how you feel about those people at Planned Parenthood wanting to change how they kill the babies so to save the skull and give the buyers total baby to play with.

Nice that they will not be crushing the skull any more.

[Guest]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/04/4-more-deceptive-edits-in-the-fifth-video-attem/204766

And once again the producers of the videos heavily in repeated replay on a certain network have been shown to be doctoring their video to make people seem to say what they clearly did not say. Wow, this is news that media editing can produce a completely false impression.

[Guest]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/04/4-more-deceptive-edits-in-the-fifth-video-attem/204766

And once again the producers of the videos heavily in repeated replay on a certain network have been shown to be doctoring their video to make people seem to say what they clearly did not say. Wow, this is news that media editing can produce a completely false impression.

Ok...my turn

MEDIA MATTERS was created for one purpose only. To watch anything and everything Fox does. That is their sole purpose.

MEDIA MATTERS MIGHT just be the worst possible source on anything UNLESS your intent is not facts but to get the most watched network in the history of cable television.

BUT...have you watched the full videos on YOUTUBE as anyone who really cares about the SUBJECT might do or are you slave to MEDIA MATTERS ?

[Guest]

But the move by the liberals is to LEGALIZE it....see, that would accommodate your problem with it, so .....

Wait, I see your point.....dead is dead like the babies.....I got it...YOU DONT !

If it is NOT illegal, then it is ALREADY legal!

[Guest]

If it is NOT illegal, then it is ALREADY legal!

you talk like a liberal !!!

You should have a meeting with your cronies, who tonight appears to be back on the sauce once again...that always makes your playground good for laughs but not any serious conversation.

Really we do enjoy the laughs you one liner kids make...like watching the kids play on the floor......

[Guest]

Actually let me apologize to those I offended.

It does not look like the usual crony crew.

It appears to be just one lone guy who offended the entire board recently with his language so I will get out and ignore his posts.

[Guest]

you talk like a liberal !!!

You should have a meeting with your cronies, who tonight appears to be back on the sauce once again...that always makes your playground good for laughs but not any serious conversation.

Really we do enjoy the laughs you one liner kids make...like watching the kids play on the floor......

Actually, I am a Republican and a lawyer.

[Guest]

you talk like a liberal !!!

You should have a meeting with your cronies, who tonight appears to be back on the sauce once again...that always makes your playground good for laughs but not any serious conversation.

Really we do enjoy the laughs you one liner kids make...like watching the kids play on the floor......

Someone makes a post that states that Liberals are trying make suicide legal and then when someone, with some knowledge of the law, responds and tries to educate the original poster regarding the legality of suicide you attack him. Why would you do that? What is wrong with you?

[Guest]

Someone makes a post that states that Liberals are trying make suicide legal and then when someone, with some knowledge of the law, responds and tries to educate the original poster regarding the legality of suicide you attack him. Why would you do that? What is wrong with you?

You know, at this point i do not even understand what you are saying. It all started as an aside and went from there.

It totally destroyed the subject being discussed and that is plain wrong.

BUT it does show me something and I WILL apologize. I very very seldom get involved in those one line quipping things that so many seem to enjoy and yesterday for various reasons I allowed myself to get sucked in and for that I am sorry.

NEVER too old to learn how stupid you can be.

The smart a$$ quipping is not my style and I got involved where I should not have.

I am sorry and that is sincere.

[Guest]

Attempted suicide is illegal. But, I believe that person got some of you to think about the subject of this thread. Not many, but a couple. The selling of aborted baby body parts.

[Guest]

I realize this will fall on deaf, and uninterested ears, but I have a need to express my utter and total disgust after watching the videos of Planned Parenthood bargaining and selling baby parts.

People say it is not a life, but it appears there is a market for selling the baby's innards and other parts. When you kill a living person, and I assume if people want to buy your parts you are living, that is called....

Given that most ardent Liberal Democrats seem to have no problem with selling baby parts (after all, it's not a baby until the Mother takes it home from the hospital), that tells you all you need to know about the moral abyss in their atheistic souls.

[Guest]

Since any abortion is the equivalent of murder, you believe that a young woman who is pregnant by either rape or incest should be required to give birth to that baby? And if that 14 year old was your grand daughter - and the rapist was your husband? Or the rapist was the mentally challenged janitor at school?

[Guest]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/04/4-more-deceptive-edits-in-the-fifth-video-attem/204766

And once again the producers of the videos heavily in repeated replay on a certain network have been shown to be doctoring their video to make people seem to say what they clearly did not say. Wow, this is news that media editing can produce a completely false impression.

The mere fact of citing Media Matters as any type of credible source instantly qualifies you as a charter member of the Low Information Voters Association ... try to use your brain next time instead of your mouth

[Guest]

Since any abortion is the equivalent of murder, you believe that a young woman who is pregnant by either rape or incest should be required to give birth to that baby? And if that 14 year old was your grand daughter - and the rapist was your husband? Or the rapist was the mentally challenged janitor at school?

Only about 1% of abortions performed are due to rape, incest or medical reasons. Kind of hard to justify the rest of the baby killing, 93% which is due to inconvenience. Now, what were you saying, again?

[Guest]

Since any abortion is the equivalent of murder, you believe that a young woman who is pregnant by either rape or incest should be required to give birth to that baby? And if that 14 year old was your grand daughter - and the rapist was your husband? Or the rapist was the mentally challenged janitor at school?

Instead of killing the baby, how about we kill the rapist or mentally challenged janitor? Oh, that's right you don't believe in executions of the criminals.

[Guest]

Planned Parenthood is a radical organization that's aim is to limit or reduce the black population. If not, then why are they NOT encouraging black women to birth instead of abort? More black babies were aborted than born last year. Would you not say that PP is responsible for this? And by default, the Democrat party which supports PP is an accessory to reducing the black population. That is no more radical speech than Dems claiming that everything is a GOP hoax or conspiracy.

Dear Guest:

Disparate Impact is a law Obama has been shoving down peoples throats and basically states that the mere presents of discrimination is sufficient enough. so here we have a disproportionate amount of blacks getting abortions. So there must be a white conspiracy to reduce the black population. and oh whites were the cause of aids in black communities too.

In that same vein most blacks getting abortions are poor but this issue goes to anyone getting an abortion at Planned Parenthood. since they lack money and/or have a property right to the fetus then do you suppose if nothing is done to stop this barbaric practice that mothers are going to be showing up to get abortions and also to sell the aborted fetuses . Its like selling your blood for a few bucks but this is more lucrative Why should Planned Parenthood be the only one to make a profit .

I am going to follow this post with a second.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Part Two:

Abortion as defined by progressives:

Progressive say a fetus is a baby only if the mother wants it.
Two women both in their first tri-semester with a mother who wants a baby the second woman doesn't can pay to have the baby evacuated by a doctor but both has a product of conception

with in vitro fertilization those eggs implanted in the womb prosper to be born human while others not are either frozen and perhaps never to be used
or disposed of like trash.

Roe v Wade states that the unborn have no personhood. Yet if you murder a woman pregnant the murderer is charged with the killing of two the mother and the fetus.

Why is it a fetus has legal right to estates. do you suppose some woman would reconsider an abortion if she found out that the father died and left his estate to his heir?

I believe the video taken of Planned Parenthood should be released to the public because by all accounts it clearly establishes the depravity in which these people operated and their comments speak to the profits they are yielding. Planned Parenthood should not only be defunded there should be criminal investigations into the practices of its employees.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Part Two:

Abortion as defined by progressives:

Progressive say a fetus is a baby only if the mother wants it.
Two women both in their first tri-semester with a mother who wants a baby the second woman doesn't can pay to have the baby evacuated by a doctor but both has a product of conception

with in vitro fertilization those eggs implanted in the womb prosper to be born human while others not are either frozen and perhaps never to be used
or disposed of like trash.

Roe v Wade states that the unborn have no personhood. Yet if you murder a woman pregnant the murderer is charged with the killing of two the mother and the fetus.

Why is it a fetus has legal right to estates. do you suppose some woman would reconsider an abortion if she found out that the father died and left his estate to his heir?

I believe the video taken of Planned Parenthood should be released to the public because by all accounts it clearly establishes the depravity in which these people operated and their comments speak to the profits they are yielding. Planned Parenthood should not only be defunded there should be criminal investigations into the practices of its employees.

Personal Best Regards:

:thumbup:

[Guest]

Since any abortion is the equivalent of murder, you believe that a young woman who is pregnant by either rape or incest should be required to give birth to that baby? And if that 14 year old was your grand daughter - and the rapist was your husband? Or the rapist was the mentally challenged janitor at school?

Well, there were only 2 repliers to this scenario and BOTH were non-answers. Do you have answers that actually address the two questions? :popcorn:

[Guest]

Well, there were only 2 repliers to this scenario and BOTH were non-answers. Do you have answers that actually address the two questions? :popcorn:

I personally don't believe that "abortion on demand" is the answer to the extremely unlikely and rare hypothetical case that you present. I personally feel that abortion laws should have a few exceptions for extreme circumstances. But, abortion should not be used as a form of birth control nor to terminate a pregnancy because it is an inconvenience. Does that answer your question?

[Guest]

Well, there were only 2 repliers to this scenario and BOTH were non-answers. Do you have answers that actually address the two questions? :popcorn:

Even though I am pro-life, I will admit that making the decision to terminate a pregnancy is a very personal one and IMO one that is made between the person involved and their maker. I feel that all women deserve a chance to be educated and counseled before making that decision and should have the opportunity to review ALL the options available to them. That is one of my biggest beefs with planned parenthood. When someone comes in for an abortion, it is my understanding that little is made available along those lines. I also believe that after education and counseling, a waiting period should be suggested before making the decision.

Your adamant questioning about this makes me think that your view is that an abortion is the only answer and the swifter it's done the better. The feeling that I get reading your posts, pressuring people for a reply, reminds me of conversations I've had with young girls who have unfortunately used Planned Parenthood and that being exactly how they felt.......as if no one there cared enough to talk to them or recommend any other options and the pressure was on to abort. In fact, I remember it being described like it was a mill - in and out, and now you can just forget about it. Until these recent revelations, that was my chief complaint about them, but now it's pretty obvious there are larger issues with this organization than I could ever have imagined.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1097005]Even though I am pro-life, I will admit that making the decision to terminate a pregnancy is a very personal one and IMO one that is made between the person involved and their maker. I feel that all women deserve a chance to be educated and counseled before making that decision and should have the opportunity to review ALL the options available to them. I also believe that after education and counseling, a waiting period should be suggested before making the decision.
QUOTE]

Friend,

You may not realize it but how you described your beliefs - you are Pro-Choice! Congratulations! Lots of Pro-Choice people feel the same way you feel. They are against abortion themselves but realize it is the personal choice for each woman to make herself.

You agree that it is a very personal choice and one that the mother has to make between herself and God. Yes, education and counseling are both good to have when making the decision - but ultimately, the decision is the CHOICE of the pregnant woman - not the ruling of legislators.

[Guest]

It's also "pro-choice" when an armed robber decides whether or not to shoot the clerk of the store. Both are killing a human.

It seems to me that there are a lot of folks with guilty consciences that are trying to get someone else to say that they were right in their decision to end a life. Regardless of attempted justification, if you abort then that's your legal choice. But planned parenthood is cutting up the pieces of that baby and selling them. Abortion is being brought into the issue because the folks that say they don't care about the selling of body parts are trying to assuage a guilty conscience by use of the legality of abortion.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1097005]Even though I am pro-life, I will admit that making the decision to terminate a pregnancy is a very personal one and IMO one that is made between the person involved and their maker. I feel that all women deserve a chance to be educated and counseled before making that decision and should have the opportunity to review ALL the options available to them. I also believe that after education and counseling, a waiting period should be suggested before making the decision.
QUOTE]

Friend,

You may not realize it but how you described your beliefs - you are Pro-Choice! Congratulations! Lots of Pro-Choice people feel the same way you feel. They are against abortion themselves but realize it is the personal choice for each woman to make herself.

You agree that it is a very personal choice and one that the mother has to make between herself and God. Yes, education and counseling are both good to have when making the decision - but ultimately, the decision is the CHOICE of the pregnant woman - not the ruling of legislators.

Well, call me whatever you want, but I am pro-life. I would always choice life and would encourage anyone who came to me for advice to do the same. What I was am saying was, ULTIMATELY it is between the person and God. It is not something you can force another person to do or not. From my perspective, when God creates, He does not make mistakes no matter how the child was conceived.

I will agree with you on one thing though, that this should not be a political issue - it is a moral and ethical issue. I have said in other threads that the use of abortion as a means of birth control has gotten totally out of hand. The disregard for life by way of abortion on demand is an abomination to me. I'm not so sure many pro-choice people would feel as I do.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1097011]

Well, call me whatever you want, but I am pro-life. I would always choice life and would encourage anyone who came to me for advice to do the same. What I was am saying was, ULTIMATELY it is between the person and God. It is not something you can force another person to do or not. From my perspective, when God creates, He does not make mistakes no matter how the child was conceived.

I will agree with you on one thing though, that this should not be a political issue - it is a moral and ethical issue. I have said in other threads that the use of abortion as a means of birth control has gotten totally out of hand. The disregard for life by way of abortion on demand is an abomination to me. I'm not so sure many pro-choice people would feel as I do.

Sorry for all the typos.....that's what happens when I try to respond on the fly. Second sentence should read, " I would always CHOOSE life...." and the next sentence, "What I was saying was,...." Hopefully you get the gist.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1097011]

Well, call me whatever you want, but I am pro-life. I would always choice life and would encourage anyone who came to me for advice to do the same. What I was am saying was, ULTIMATELY it is between the person and God. It is not something you can force another person to do or not. From my perspective, when God creates, He does not make mistakes no matter how the child was conceived.

I will agree with you on one thing though, that this should not be a political issue - it is a moral and ethical issue. I have said in other threads that the use of abortion as a means of birth control has gotten totally out of hand. The disregard for life by way of abortion on demand is an abomination to me. I'm not so sure many pro-choice people would feel as I do.

:thumbup:

[Guest]

Actually, I am a Republican and a lawyer.

and what type of law did you practice?

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

and what type of law did you practice?

Personal Best Regards:

International Law

[Guest]

International Law

Methinks, with no facts to substantiate, that this poster has a fleeting relationship with truth and a strong sense that he/she is humorous.

[Guest]

The poster on page 23 considers him/her self to be pro-life. Well, they actually are Pro-Choice from what they say. They, themself, would never consider abortion but realizes it is a CHOICE each pregnant mother must make for herself. It is a tough decision but still is a CHOICE for that person to make. It is NOT a decision that is made by a bunch of legislators.

[Guest]

The poster on page 23 considers him/her self to be pro-life. Well, they actually are Pro-Choice from what they say. They, themself, would never consider abortion but realizes it is a CHOICE each pregnant mother must make for herself. It is a tough decision but still is a CHOICE for that person to make. It is NOT a decision that is made by a bunch of legislators.

What does that have to do with the subject. Do you feel all tingly because you think you made some kind of personal observation? Besides, you may be wrong in your assumption. He/she said that they are pro-life. He personally is pro-life. He/she also said that he/she realizes that it is the personal choice of the pregnant woman. By law, it is. Try not to assume.

[Guest]

What does that have to do with the subject. Do you feel all tingly because you think you made some kind of personal observation? Besides, you may be wrong in your assumption. He/she said that they are pro-life. He personally is pro-life. He/she also said that he/she realizes that it is the personal choice of the pregnant woman. By law, it is. Try not to assume.

Get back down your troll hole. You have been told you are not relevant.

Scat!

[Guest]

Get back down your troll hole. You have been told you are not relevant.

Scat!

Really?!? Is that all you can come up with when someone disagrees with you or engages you in a debate?? How embarassing :rolleyes:

[Guest]

Get back down your troll hole. You have been told you are not relevant.

Scat!

No one has ever suggested such a thing to me. What are you speaking of? Trolls are usually associated with liberals. I read that person's comment, and saw it differently than you. You jumped on that person attempting to deny his/her claim to be pro-life. I believe you are wrong. You obviously have me confused with someone else. If you can't take someone disagreeing with you, then maybe you are on the wrong forum.

[Guest]

How do women who have had abortions feel about donating fetal tissue to medical research? I reached out to eight of them—ages 22 to 69—to get their personal thoughts. They all told me they supported this research. Those who didn’t donate said they would have done so, had it been an offered. Those who did donate said that knowing they were helping others made them feel much better. Here are their words:

“[When they asked me if I wanted to donate] I thought right away it was a good idea. My dad always donated blood. My sister is a biologist. I didn’t really think twice. It helped me process the sense of loss and grieving to know that at least something good was coming out of it.” —36-year-old artist, Arizona

“I have always felt like stem cell research and using fetal tissue from abortion or miscarriage has been necessary. It’s disappointing to see [the issue] brought up in this way. I wasn’t given the option of what to do with my fetal tissue. Had I had the option, I would have loved to donate.” —22-year-old college student, California

“It’s clear that [these videos are] an attack aimed on Planned Parenthood—and to make sure that folks who are the most vulnerable don’t have access to basic health care. If I’d had the option to donate I would have. [Pro-life activists] are trying to invalidate the decisions of women who have an abortion and who choose to donate the tissue to give back to science. People donate tissue all the time. They do it with umbilical cords. I think shaming people for making that decision is really horrible.” —29-year-old writer, Washington, D.C.

“They asked and I said, yeah. Why not if you’re going to use it for science? I honestly felt fine with it. I think it’s ridiculous that people will do anything to try to shut Planned Parenthood down. When I went there, I felt really, really respected.” —25-year-old waitress, Idaho

“I don’t actually remember whether I was asked about donating. But the controversy over Planned Parenthood aside, I am supportive of using fetal tissue from an abortion to advance science. It can save lives. Why throw that opportunity away? The ethical question is whether or not the women are asked if they want to participate. As long as it’s a transparent process, I don’t have an issue with it.” —27-year-old financial analyst, Washington, D.C.

“If something good could have come out of my abortion in the way of scientific understanding, I would have been more than happy [to donate]. People are upset about abortion and anything to do with it. But any good outcome from a sad situation, any help for humanity, would be welcome in my view.” —69-year-old retired Episcopalian priest, who had an abortion more than 30 years ago

“I would rather [the fetal tissue] be made useful. It’s akin to organ donation. So why not? To me, the issue comes down to consent.” —41-year-old college teacher, North Carolina

“When I wanted to have a kid and had a miscarriage and tissue donation was an option, that was a no-brainer. And I’m pretty sure I did it when I had my abortion. I can see how people would feel weird about it, but it’s a women’s decision.” —43-year-old public affairs consultant, Colorado