Exec. courses "pace-of-play" is very slow!

[cavalier65]

Initially I thought the courses were clogged due to the snowbirds, now a major problem is very slow play. Mostly the women's groups/foursomes take too long to play a hole. Most hit from tees too far back instead of using green tees. Putting takes forever as they do not play "ready" golf. This is a big problem and the Ambassadors/Starters are powerless to do much about it. Especially since the women players will call the golf office and complain about the rude Ambassador. Out of fear nothing is done about this growing problem.:cryin2:

Women leaders need to speak up, then lead by suggestion and example. Perhaps a yellow card needs to be issued to slow play group members and they cannot play again until attending a Good Golf or Ready Golf session.:22yikes:

[billethkid]

We are retired and left the pace of play issue back at the clubs we used to belong to.

Concern about pace of play on a 9 hole course?

People are retired.
They are old(er).
Some even handicapped.

I never liked the notion of pace of play on what is supposed to be relaxation. And now that I am retired and older my measure is that I am still able to come out and play....not how fast I do it.

Sometimes it is painful to have to wait....but it gives one an opportunity to enjoy the surroundinds here in TV.

[Edjkoz]

It's not just st the women. I have seen many men playing from the tips who cannot hit the ball that far. Their ego gets in the way of good golf. People should also be courteous and move on after par is doubled.

[YouNeverKnow]

Initially I thought the courses were clogged due to the snowbirds, now a major problem is very slow play. Mostly the women's groups/foursomes take too long to play a hole. Most hit from tees too far back instead of using green tees. Putting takes forever as they do not play "ready" golf. This is a big problem and the Ambassadors/Starters are powerless to do much about it. Especially since the women players will call the golf office and complain about the rude Ambassador. Out of fear nothing is done about this growing problem.:cryin2:

Women leaders need to speak up, then lead by suggestion and example. Perhaps a yellow card needs to be issued to slow play group members and they cannot play again until attending a Good Golf or Ready Golf session.:22yikes:

Your post is full of stereo types and unfounded generalities obviously against women golfers. Our ladies foursomes have been behind plenty of slow foursomes of men who take unlimited mulligans, take multiple practice swings before they hit the ball, search for lost balls and will not give up until they find them, line up their putts from every possible angle before they putt, sit in their golf carts marking their score cards before they leave the green. and countless other things that slow up the play. Maybe , as you put it , the men leaders should "speak up to their groups then lead by example and they can not play again until attending a Good Golf School or Ready Golf session." Oh and don't forget giving the slow men a yellow card.

[DonH57]

We are retired and left the pace of play issue back at the clubs we used to belong to.

Concern about pace of play on a 9 hole course?

People are retired.
They are old(er).
Some even handicapped.

I never liked the notion of pace of play on what is supposed to be relaxation. And now that I am retired and older my measure is that I am still able to come out and play....not how fast I do it.

Sometimes it is painful to have to wait....but it gives one an opportunity to enjoy the surroundinds here in TV.

I agree 100 percent.

I agree 100 percent.

[alanmcdonald]

Some people ridicule me when I play from the green tees, but I know my limits. I'm sure as I play more I'll be able to move back but for now this makes for a more enjoyable round for me and lets me keep up with the others in my group.

[cavalier65]

We are retired and left the pace of play issue back at the clubs we used to belong to.

Concern about pace of play on a 9 hole course?

People are retired.
They are old(er).
Some even handicapped.

I never liked the notion of pace of play on what is supposed to be relaxation. And now that I am retired and older my measure is that I am still able to come out and play....not how fast I do it.

Sometimes it is painful to have to wait....but it gives one an opportunity to enjoy the surroundinds here in TV.


This is not the issue. Retired has nothing to do with the problem. Being over 70 is not the problem. Surroundings are peripheral to why one is on the course. Going along to get along does not resolve the very slow play. :wave:

[graciegirl]

Initially I thought the courses were clogged due to the snowbirds, now a major problem is very slow play. Mostly the women's groups/foursomes take too long to play a hole. Most hit from tees too far back instead of using green tees. Putting takes forever as they do not play "ready" golf. This is a big problem and the Ambassadors/Starters are powerless to do much about it. Especially since the women players will call the golf office and complain about the rude Ambassador. Out of fear nothing is done about this growing problem.:cryin2:

Women leaders need to speak up, then lead by suggestion and example. Perhaps a yellow card needs to be issued to slow play group members and they cannot play again until attending a Good Golf or Ready Golf session.:22yikes:



In December of '14 on your first post you inquired if people walked the golf courses and now a little over six months later you have concluded women are causing the slow play.


I had to look up what "Cavalier" meant, but now I know.

I am a huge advocate of keeping the pace of play, but I don't think it is one gender more than another causing the delays.

[cavalier65]

Some people ridicule me when I play from the green tees, but I know my limits. I'm sure as I play more I'll be able to move back but for now this makes for a more enjoyable round for me and lets me keep up with the others in my group.

Thanks for your common sense approach:wave:

[cavalier65]

Your post is full of stereo types and unfounded generalities obviously against women golfers. Our ladies foursomes have been behind plenty of slow foursomes of men who take unlimited mulligans, take multiple practice swings before they hit the ball, search for lost balls and will not give up until they find them, line up their putts from every possible angle before they putt, sit in their golf carts marking their score cards before they leave the green. and countless other things that slow up the play. Maybe , as you put it , the men leaders should "speak up to their groups then lead by example and they can not play again until attending a Good Golf School or Ready Golf session." Oh and don't forget giving the slow men a yellow card.

Although I agree about some of the men golfers overestimating their power, endlessly looking for lost balls after hitting from the wrong tees for their capabilities, etc. This does not address the bigger problem of slow play by women on the Exec. Courses. Please, this is not a blame-the-other-sex post instead it is about a real problem of play.:22yikes:

[JCMSr]

I too have noticed that the pace of play seems to have slowed considerably on the Executive courses in the afternoons/evenings. I do not however place the blame on male vs. female and in fact the slowest round I have had recently was while playing behind a mixed foursome (2 male and 2 female). Obviously there are some people either do not understand or do not care about the concept of "ready golf". This particular afternoon I stood and watched as not one, not two but three shots each were taken by two of the four players even though the previous shots were technically in play. Add to that the four attempts in the sand trap and I was driven to drink. Oh, and when you walk off the green, please move your golf cart to the next tee before you decide to debate or rehash everyone' score or maybe decide where everyone wants to go for dinner after the round.

Thank goodness I had the forethought on this particular afternoon to carry enough beer with me to make it through the entire round. Folks, nobody is trying to rush you or keep you from enjoying the beautiful scenery but please, please go to the driving ranges for your practice and quit trying to teach during your round. Everyone will be better off and you will enjoy the game more.

[nkrifats]

It's not just st the women. I have seen many men playing from the tips who cannot hit the ball that far. Their ego gets in the way of good golf. People should also be courteous and move on after par is doubled.

Agree

[cavalier65]

Agree, agree, agree. It makes no difference who or what gender.

[graciegirl]

Initially I thought the courses were clogged due to the snowbirds, now a major problem is very slow play. Mostly the women's groups/foursomes take too long to play a hole. Most hit from tees too far back instead of using green tees. Putting takes forever as they do not play "ready" golf. This is a big problem and the Ambassadors/Starters are powerless to do much about it. Especially since the women players will call the golf office and complain about the rude Ambassador. Out of fear nothing is done about this growing problem.:cryin2:

Women leaders need to speak up, then lead by suggestion and example. Perhaps a yellow card needs to be issued to slow play group members and they cannot play again until attending a Good Golf or Ready Golf session.:22yikes:



That could very well be considered by some to be insulting. Now, if you want to talk about the pace of play. Do it.

While we're young.

[Bosoxfan]

Try and address the topic instead of throwing out insults.:wave:

The topic should be pace of play not women being slow!! Just the other night my friend & I were playing after 5 on Bonifay and we thought it was going to be a slow night because there was a threesome of women in front of us. Well we weren't wrong about the pace but it wasn't because of the women directly in front of us. It was the foursome of men ahead of them that slowed the pace. These guys had a hole to a hole and a half in front of them completely open.Whether your on the Championship courses or the executive courses if you notice that you are not keeping up with the people in front of you then YOU ARE PLAYING TOO SLOW!!!! Please be considerate of those trying to enjoy their rounds and most like myself do not enjoy waiting to play every shot!!

[SALYBOW]

Although I agree about some of the men golfers overestimating their power, endlessly looking for lost balls after hitting from the wrong tees for their capabilities, etc. This does not address the bigger problem of slow play by women on the Exec. Courses. Please, this is not a blame-the-other-sex post instead it is about a real problem of play.:22yikes:

Have you missed the posts saying that both genders are guilty of this. I too have played behind some very slow male foursomes.
IMHO. you are way less than Cavalier in your posts.
:censored:

[justjim]

Your post is full of stereo types and unfounded generalities obviously against women golfers. Our ladies foursomes have been behind plenty of slow foursomes of men who take unlimited mulligans, take multiple practice swings before they hit the ball, search for lost balls and will not give up until they find them, line up their putts from every possible angle before they putt, sit in their golf carts marking their score cards before they leave the green. and countless other things that slow up the play. Maybe , as you put it , the men leaders should "speak up to their groups then lead by example and they can not play again until attending a Good Golf School or Ready Golf session." Oh and don't forget giving the slow men a yellow card.


Boy Howdy, Saw this post coming! You never want to "rile up" a lady golfer.

I honestly don't believe that was the intention of the OP. Male, female, young or older, the pace of play should be "reasonable". We have a self imposed rule in our group to pick up your ball after triple bogey and I've seen some pretty good golfers pick up after six on a par three and move on. We always play ready golf---its more fun for everybody on the golf course. The good Golf school is a must for all golfers regardless of skill level.

I would have a "problem" with anybody who is not courteous on a golf course or anywhere else. You certainly don't "make fun" of somebody for using the forward tees. You should congratulate and encourage them! Fore :wave::wave::Screen_of_Death:

[YouNeverKnow]

Pass the popcorn!

[YouNeverKnow]

Agree, agree, agree. It makes no difference who or what gender.
If you agree, agree, agree, that it makes no difference who or what gender why did your first post blame everything on women golfers? Makes no sense. :loco:

[2BNTV]

A nine hole golf course, should take about an hour and a half, to play.

If it runs 10 or 15 minutes later, where is everyone going, that they need to get steamed up about it?

I would be more concerned being paired with people who get frustrated and break their clubs!!!

Some people take golf too seriously! IMHO

[buzzy]

I was a beginner when I got here. One of the things that I had learned about golf etiquette back home was to never advance past the farthest-away ball on the fairway. Another thing was to never be on the green while someone is getting ready to pitch up. Now, I believe that I can violate those rules in order to play ready golf, but I still feel embarrassed to do so.

[cavalier65]

Have you missed the posts saying that both genders are guilty of this. I too have played behind some very slow male foursomes.
IMHO. you are way less than Cavalier in your posts.
:censored:

Interesting that few posters are interested in resolving an obvious problem on Exec. Courses. We almost quit on the 4th hold at Southern Star yesterday and took 2hrs. to play Heron this morning--due to....

I am just as critical of males who do the same thing, i.e. black tees and hit the water, incessant looking for lost balls, etc. But the bigger problem are the women's groups that dilly-dally on the tees, use longer tees than their campabilities, take 4-5 strokes to reach the green, then 4 putt. Of course, clean their clubs, fill out the scorecard and chit-chat. This is a common occurrence not the exception. I do not think they are aware of other players and the 9 minute time frame for each hole.

This has nothing to do with being retired, handicapped or old. Earlier in the Week I played with a one-legged man on crutches who shot par golf and never held up the group or other foursomes. :wave:

[Polar Bear]

I was a beginner when I got here. One of the things that I had learned about golf etiquette back home was to never advance past the farthest-away ball on the fairway. Another thing was to never be on the green while someone is getting ready to pitch up. Now, I believe that I can violate those rules in order to play ready golf, but I still feel embarrassed to do so.

Bending these rules slightly...within the bounds of safety...might help a little. But you really don't have to break the rules to play ready golf.

[outlaw]

Interesting that few posters are interested in resolving an obvious problem on Exec. Courses. We almost quit on the 4th hold at Southern Star yesterday and took 2hrs. to play Heron this morning--due to....

I am just as critical of males who do the same thing, i.e. black tees and hit the water, incessant looking for lost balls, etc. But the bigger problem are the women's groups that dilly-dally on the tees, use longer tees than their campabilities, take 4-5 strokes to reach the green, then 4 putt. Of course, clean their clubs, fill out the scorecard and chit-chat. This is a common occurrence not the exception. I do not think they are aware of other players and the 9 minute time frame for each hole.

This has nothing to do with being retired, handicapped or old. Earlier in the Week I played with a one-legged man on crutches who shot par golf and never held up the group or other foursomes. :wave:

You are so right! It has nothing to do with age. It's about a group of inconsiderate, usually, new golfers that couldn't care less if they hold others up. They stupidly argue "what's the hurry", "you're retired", "enjoy the fresh air". They are totally ignorant of the concentration and rhythm it takes to play one's best golf; or any other competitive sport, for that matter. And yes, the women are the more frequent offenders, probably because they have never competed in sports before they took up golf. They play golf so they can talk, talk, talk, talk, and talk some more, with their girl friends. They can't play the next shot until they finish their story! They don't even think about their next shot until it is their turn to hit. Then, after they finish "sharing" with their friends, they look at their bag to ponder which club to use. Blame their husbands for getting them to take up the game. Why couldn't you have nudged them into yoga, or Mahjong (whatever that is)? These men knew better, but they didn't care about their fellow men. They just wanted to show their wife what a great game golf WAS, and why they liked it so much. Now golf is screwed up for us, too. Thanks, husbands! We all hope you get the yips.

[graciegirl]

Bending these rules slightly...within the bounds of safety...might help a little. But you really don't have to break the rules to play ready golf.



So true.


Beginner Golf Tip: Keeping Up the Pace of Play (http://golf-info-guide.com/golf-tips/beginner-golf-tips/beginner-golf-tip-keeping-up-the-pace-of-play/)

[wereback]

What ever happened to Americas Friendliest Home town I really can't believe I read so much dislike of people on this site is it the heat or what

[yabbadu]

It all starts by learning rules and etiquette first, then a nice pace of play might happen. Until then its called patience.

[Jimjane]

My wife and I have played every day this week, by our selfs and with another couple. We always walk the exec courses. We have experienced no issues with pace of play.

Take a deep breath and enjoy the round and most important the company.

[rubicon]

Initially I thought the courses were clogged due to the snowbirds, now a major problem is very slow play. Mostly the women's groups/foursomes take too long to play a hole. Most hit from tees too far back instead of using green tees. Putting takes forever as they do not play "ready" golf. This is a big problem and the Ambassadors/Starters are powerless to do much about it. Especially since the women players will call the golf office and complain about the rude Ambassador. Out of fear nothing is done about this growing problem.:cryin2:

Women leaders need to speak up, then lead by suggestion and example. Perhaps a yellow card needs to be issued to slow play group members and they cannot play again until attending a Good Golf or Ready Golf session.:22yikes:

Hi cavalier:

I have general agreement with you. Let's set aside the disabled;albeit I have played with people who have disabled tags on their carts and they have not slowed up play.

I also disagree with playing from the wrong tees as being the problem because I have watched golfers who's second shots and putting eliminate the wimpy drive.

and I disagree that it is a women problem because I've played with women who move right along./

And I disagree about age I have played with guys in their 80's who could put many of us to shame. I am --years old and I walk and I carry a bag and I am always at the next tee the same time as riders.

No the biggest reason is people attitudes. some act like well this is my tee time I paid to live here and no one is going to rush me. some stand over the ball so long I wonder if they dozed off. some are johnny come lately they sit in the cart wait until everyone else has teed off then get out get their equipment go thought their three minute drill before they hit. Or they jabber away and all I can think is this is go to a restaurant buy breakfast and you can talk until your heart is content.

Its easier for people to complain that slow play is because someone is playing from the tips. Its only a small part.

Ready golf means that but too many people are not ready not focused on their game or out to socialize mainly.

[Mleeja]

I played this morning with a foursome of men in front and a foursome of women behind. Two of our players were walkers. For the most part we kept up with the pace of play. We had to wait on 8 and 9 for the green to clear. The women behind us probably waited on us for three or four holes because they were playing fast. As many have said, playing ready golf is the key. Unless you ate standing in someone's putting line, go if you are ready. Don't wait for the low score players to tee first. For the most part, we are out to have fun, not playing The Masters....

[spring_chicken]

Seems to me the OP was just trying to stir up a 9 page thread with the sexist remarks.
We all know that there are slow women and slow men on the course (probably more slow men, simply because more men play)
If it bothers you that much, play the championship courses. They speed you up or ask you to let people play through.
You wanna gripe about something? Gripe about the MEN who leave cigars laying all over the golf course.

[Polar Bear]

...You wanna gripe about something? Gripe about the MEN who leave cigars laying all over the golf course.

Hey!! What about the WOMEN? [emoji12]

[njbchbum]

Initially I thought the courses were clogged due to the snowbirds, now a major problem is very slow play. Mostly the women's groups/foursomes take too long to play a hole. Most hit from tees too far back instead of using green tees. Putting takes forever as they do not play "ready" golf. This is a big problem and the Ambassadors/Starters are powerless to do much about it. Especially since the women players will call the golf office and complain about the rude Ambassador. Out of fear nothing is done about this growing problem.:cryin2:

Women leaders need to speak up, then lead by suggestion and example. Perhaps a yellow card needs to be issued to slow play group members and they cannot play again until attending a Good Golf or Ready Golf session.:22yikes:

Although I agree about some of the men golfers overestimating their power, endlessly looking for lost balls after hitting from the wrong tees for their capabilities, etc. This does not address the bigger problem of slow play by women on the Exec. Courses. Please, this is not a blame-the-other-sex post instead it is about a real problem of play.:22yikes:

Well ya sure cudda fooled me! Also made me wonder if the poster comes to a complete stop at STOP signs and/or before turning right on red! ;)

[Greg Nelson]

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[DonH57]

If you're constantly keeping pace with the group in front of you you can't do much more or just turn around straight for the 19th hole!

[TheVillageChicken]

If you're constantly keeping pace with the group in front of you you can't do much more or just turn around straight for the 19th hole!

It is really easy to keep pace with the group in front of you when they are not doing the same. On another note, I went up to Lopez to hit range balls this evening and saw 9 people on the last hole of Walnut Grove. Even if five of them were spectators, which I think was the case, they were all on the green or the fringe and that cannot result in a good pace of play. If I had to play behind them, I would have been pretty damned annoyed.

[cavalier65]

Well ya sure cudda fooled me! Also made me wonder if the poster comes to a complete stop at STOP signs and/or before turning right on red! ;)

Sometimes one wonders....:wave:

[CFrance]

Although I agree about some of the men golfers overestimating their power, endlessly looking for lost balls after hitting from the wrong tees for their capabilities, etc. This does not address the bigger problem of slow play by women on the Exec. Courses. Please, this is not a blame-the-other-sex post instead it is about a real problem of play.:22yikes:
It's not a blame? It most certainly is a blame! I hope you have data to back up your most cavalier statement.

[Northwoods]

It doesn't matter if it's men or women... it's about pace of play. If the course is crowded - don't hit that 2nd or 3rd ball off the tee because you want to practice or don't like your first (playable) shot.. don't take 5 min. looking for your ball in the weeds... don't slow play because your spouse is giving you a lesson on how to hit every shot... and don't take your 10th shot on a hole. If you want to do that - then play during slow times - late in the day or afternoons.

[DonH57]

It is really easy to keep pace with the group in front of you when they are not doing the same. On another note, I went up to Lopez to hit range balls this evening and saw 9 people on the last hole of Walnut Grove. Even if five of them were spectators, which I think was the case, they were all on the green or the fringe and that cannot result in a good pace of play. If I had to play behind them, I would have been pretty damned annoyed.

Nine people has to counted as a picnic or an entourage!:rant-rave:

[kcrazorbackfan]

To the OP, it's free golf, what do you expect? It brings EVERYONE out, no matter what level of player they are, from hack to scratch. As a solution for you, there are plenty of courses "outside the bubble" you can play. :boom:

[Barefoot]

This does not address the bigger problem of slow play by women on the Exec. Courses. Please, this is not a blame-the-other-sex post instead it is about a real problem of play.

Seems to me the OP was just trying to stir up a 9 page thread with the sexist remarks. If it bothers you that much, play the championship courses. They speed you up or ask you to let people play through.

The OP says this isn't a blame-the-other-sex post, and then he blames women. :confused:
There are many brand-new golfers of both sexes playing the Executive courses.
If the slow play on Exec courses is causing you grief, why not play the Championship Courses?

[tomwed]

If you can't afford to play the championship course:
play from the tips
carry a camera and take photos [that's what i do]
hit a second ball
play in the first morning group
go to the course while it's raining--and wait till it stops
walk more slowly
i'm thinking about listening to a book on tape---i can't remember the last time someone needed to yell fore
get to the course early and ask women if they need your help and advice to play more more quickly [let me know how that works out]

[Barefoot]

Interesting that few posters are interested in resolving an obvious problem on Exec. Courses:

Since you feel passionately about slow golfers on Exec courses, have you thought about becoming an Ambassador?
Then you could hustle those pesky women along! :icon_wink:

[argos5usa]

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[peteg]

The initial comment has only one inaccuracy as it berates certain ladies groups
The pace of golf is defined by using the ready golf procedure and applies to everyone
I find it frustrating following a group playing from black where their first shot seldom passes the front tee, and continuing until they putt out

Memory fails me sometimes but I took an intro to golf which included the ready golf system which included - after twice the number of shots v par you left the hole
you played when safe to do so and when you were ready, not always
in true golf order
most often a lost ball is in an area where you are best not advised to go -
either the bushes or lake
leave the green area before marking your card
I have seldom come across a handicapped golfer who causes delay and if there was just put up with it with a smile - one day we may be in that position ourselves

[mike1921]

Hi everyone
Just coming down next week to buy a home and become a full time villager. Looking forward to maybe playing some golf with some of you. I too can get frustrated by.slow play but I have found in my 45 years of golf that the source can be from a variety of culprits. A couple areas of a golf course that seems to always slow down are the par 3's and short par 4's. This defines an executive course and would seem to be the genesis of the issue. Yes everyone should practice ready golf and be more aware of the issue but other than spreading out tee times it probably is what it it is. Hope to see you all soon

[Newbeginnings]

I find it very frustrating to be behind golfers on an executive course who take 12 shots on a par 3 or 4, holding up 4-6 carts of people because they say "I pay my amenity fees, I'll play as long as I want and take as many strokes as I want". The groups I play with have all taken the Good Golf School, pick up after double par and try to be considerate and respectful on the course. I sympathize with the Ambassadors as some have been fired when asking a group that is very slow to pick up the pace. BTW I am a woman, and a newbie golfer, the first thing I did when I came to The Villages was sign up for good golf school, a very valuable tool when golfing.

[wendyquat]

I just hate it when the group behind me starts looking impatient before I can tee off with my second ball! :gc:

[dillywho]

Well, I am ready to duck, but to all the ones that say, "what's the hurry", etc.. It is not about hurry or anyone wanting to interfere with your "enjoyment"; it is more about everyone's enjoyment, not just a select few. Personally, slow play drives me nuts because I find that I play much better if it is not slow out there (not just here...any place). I also hate to have to feel rushed. It's not about how "fast" you can get out of there, either. I don't care if you can't hit every green (I can't either), but: 1) be ready when it is your turn, 2) write scores and put away clubs on the next hole and getting your club for that hole out and ready, 3) finish your conversation on the way to the next hole (you can talk while the cart is in motion, 4) pick up after double par, and the list goes on.

Bottom line: Be courteous of the other golfers because you are not the only one(s) on the course, and they pay their amenities just like you do and are just as "entitled" (hate that word) to play as you are and to enjoy their game.

And, yes, I am a woman golfer.

[billethkid]

Bottom line: Be courteous of the other golfers because you are not the only one(s) on the course, and they pay their amenities just like you do and are just as "entitled" (hate that word) to play as you are and to enjoy their game.



What is nice about the above is that it is applicable to either side of the discussion of pace of play.

[outlaw]

Golf is a serial game, meaning your slow play impacts everyone playing behind you. If you play fast, no one behind you is adversely affected. Get with the program, or go sit in a rocking chair and watch the season change.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Seems to me the OP was just trying to stir up a 9 page thread with the sexist remarks.
We all know that there are slow women and slow men on the course (probably more slow men, simply because more men play)
If it bothers you that much, play the championship courses. They speed you up or ask you to let people play through.
You wanna gripe about something? Gripe about the MEN who leave cigars laying all over the golf course.

Or how about sunflower shells all over the green? YUCH!

[kcrazorbackfan]

Do not categorize all women players together. My wife went to play Bonifay last week as a single in the afternoon. We were waiting at the starter shack and 3 men pull up behind us. My wife asked if she could join them and their facial expressions were priceless (oh, no, we got to play with a woman?). After hemming and hawing for a few moments, they reluctantly said ok but only if she would play from the same tee as them. After her saying she would play from the blues if they wanted to, one said no, the whites are fine. At the end of 9, she had a 38 and the three men had 44, 47, and 52. They all decided they had other things to do after 9. It was really enjoyable watching that.

[outlaw]

Do not categorize all women players together. My wife went to play Bonifay last week as a single in the afternoon. We were waiting at the starter shack and 3 men pull up behind us. My wife asked if she could join them and their facial expressions were priceless (oh, no, we got to play with a woman?). After hemming and hawing for a few moments, they reluctantly said ok but only if she would play from the same tee as them. After her saying she would play from the blues if they wanted to, one said no, the whites are fine. At the end of 9, she had a 38 and the three men had 44, 47, and 52. They all decided they had other things to do after 9. It was really enjoyable watching that.

So you went along and watched your wife play golf with 3 men?

[Polar Bear]

So you went along and watched your wife play golf with 3 men?
Heheh...that's what I was wondering.

[tomwed]

When the round is extra slow how do you pass the time?


I coached hs golf. I'll teach you a side game the students use to play while waiting to tee off. In NJ group and state tournaments are over booked, there is a lot on the line and kids that are not seasoned golfers take extra practice swings. Anyway, the game was called knock-out. Using the club you are going to tee off with the first person starts at the left the marker and tries to hit the right tee marker. If they do next they try to hit the left tee marker and if they do they try to hit their opponents golf ball. If they miss, and everyone usually misses, the next player goes. All four players go in rotation and are trying are trying to knock out the other players after they first hit the 2 ball markers.

I learned this trick too if you get nervous waiting for your turn to hit. Toss the ball up a foot or 2 and catch it. Your instincts will focus on catching the ball and not on getting nervous.

Or you can just hope everyone in the villages plays faster golf because they read this thread.

[cavalier65]

Well, I am ready to duck, but to all the ones that say, "what's the hurry", etc.. It is not about hurry or anyone wanting to interfere with your "enjoyment"; it is more about everyone's enjoyment, not just a select few. Personally, slow play drives me nuts because I find that I play much better if it is not slow out there (not just here...any place). I also hate to have to feel rushed. It's not about how "fast" you can get out of there, either. I don't care if you can't hit every green (I can't either), but: 1) be ready when it is your turn, 2) write scores and put away clubs on the next hole and getting your club for that hole out and ready, 3) finish your conversation on the way to the next hole (you can talk while the cart is in motion, 4) pick up after double par, and the list goes on.

Bottom line: Be courteous of the other golfers because you are not the only one(s) on the course, and they pay their amenities just like you do and are just as "entitled" (hate that word) to play as you are and to enjoy their game.

And, yes, I am a woman golfer.


Thanks for your insight:bigbow:

[jimmemac]

I think we aught to change ready play to courteous play and all be reasonable instead of telling people to sit in a rocking chair-we will all be getting older and slower if we l ive long enough!

[Polar Bear]

I think we aught to change ready play to courteous play...
No need to change anything. They go hand-in-hand.

[graciegirl]

No need to change anything. They go hand-in-hand.



So true. You are such a fair person, Polar Bear.


And I am proud to brag that Dilly is my friend too.

[sharoni]

My husband and I began playing golf less than a year ago, when we moved to TV. We took lessons, but we are still learning...We probably take a couple hours to play nine, shame on us! Not everyone is a pro like the person who started this thread. Plus, take in account the weather, heat and humidity, can slow down the best golfer! We have been known to let faster groups play thru if we felt we were holding them up. Most decline, are not in a hurry...We are retired, what's the rush? If you are in a hurry, maybe you should find a different sport to play...

[dbussone]

This past Tuesday a friend and I played Bacall. The tee time system assigned another pair to the foursome. Both of these guys had to be in their mid-80's. They informed us that they would be playing from the green tees, and they did.

They probably averaged 6 shots per hole. After two holes one of them, Ed, suggested we might enjoy the game more if we didn't always try to make the green off the tee. I hit my next tee shot into a large trap and it me 2 shots and a hand ball to get out.

We thoroughly enjoyed playing with these guys. They stopped after 6 holes. The starter and ambassador knew them by name. I'd like to think I might enjoy the same status when I am their age and, hopefully, still playing.

The game should be fun and not just based on time or ability.

[TheVillageChicken]

My husband and I began playing golf less than a year ago, when we moved to TV. We took lessons, but we are still learning...We probably take a couple hours to play nine, shame on us! Not everyone is a pro like the person who started this thread. Plus, take in account the weather, heat and humidity, can slow down the best golfer! We have been known to let faster groups play thru if we felt we were holding them up. Most decline, are not in a hurry...We are retired, what's the rush? If you are in a hurry, maybe you should find a different sport to play...



OK, you have given us the viewpoint of someone who has played the game for less than a year. The USGA, which is our governing body for golf in this country said that slow play "threatens the long-term health of the game".

[graciegirl]

OK, you have given us the viewpoint of someone who has played the game for less than a year. The USGA, which is our governing body for golf in this country said that slow play "threatens the long-term health of the game".



And that is why you crossed the road.


This is so hard sometimes for beginners to understand. But I was taught as a beginner, and know from playing with many beginners, that beginners can keep the pace of play and not only enjoy the game but make it enjoyable for all on the course. I hope all folks new to the game take the beginning golf lessons offered. Then no one will growl at them under their breath for slowing down the course for the entire day.

[Jayhawk]

This past Tuesday a friend and I played Bacall. The tee time system assigned another pair to the foursome. Both of these guys had to be in their mid-80's. They informed us that they would be playing from the green tees, and they did.

They probably averaged 6 shots per hole. After two holes one of them, Ed, suggested we might enjoy the game more if we didn't always try to make the green off the tee. I hit my next tee shot into a large trap and it me 2 shots and a hand ball to get out.

We thoroughly enjoyed playing with these guys. They stopped after 6 holes. The starter and ambassador knew them by name. I'd like to think I might enjoy the same status when I am their age and, hopefully, still playing.

The game should be fun and not just based on time or ability.


I'm sure I played with the same guy (Ed) yesterday at Bacall. Yes, everyone there knew him. He plays 7 days a week. And by the way, he's 92+ years old.

:bigbow:

[tomwed]

OK, you have given us the viewpoint of someone who has played the game for less than a year. The USGA, which is our governing body for golf in this country said that slow play "threatens the long-term health of the game".
not in the villages---
Elsewhere working people with families will quit if they can't get 18 holes in 4+ a little hours.
When they retire and move down here they will pick it up again.

[dbussone]

I'm sure I played with the same guy (Ed) yesterday at Bacall. Yes, everyone there knew him. He plays 7 days a week. And by the way, he's 92+ years old.



:bigbow:


Hot damn. That must be the guy. How lucky are we to have played with him!!!

[golfing eagles]

Quite a thread---I'm sure the National Organization for Women would have a field day with this one
I rarely play executive courses, but last time I did I was stuck behind a foursome of women----Lydia Ko, Lexi Thompson, Paula Creamer, and Michelle Wie---yeah, they refused to pick up after 10 shots, played the wrong tee for their abilities, talked incessantly and kept fishing for golf balls. I was annoyed until I saw they were being held up by the foursome of Jordan Spieth, Rory McIlroy, Phil Mickleson and Dustin Johnson.
Point is that you will NOT see any of those players on executive golf courses. Who do you see?----beginners (of both genders), octogenarians and perhaps some with disabilities---none of whom are "slow" by definition. Others play to be with a spouse or friend, even if they are pretty decent golfers, which would not be a hold up either.
I agree the main problem is ATTITUDE, not gender. There is a small minority that feel "entitled", since they "paid" for free golf by virtue of living here. They are the same people who rope off seats at the squares, stand up to take photos at the Sharon, talk on their cell phones at the movies, etc. and therefore will spend 3 minutes lining up a putt for a 14 on an 89 yd par three. I think they are the forerunners of the "me" generation that I see increasingly prevalent everywhere else. Thankfully, there aren't very many in TV.
The rest of the slow play could easily be remedied by mandatory good golf school for repeat offenders, as long as the ambassadors are free to identify them.
As far as the "what's the hurry" crowd goes, as one poster put it, golf is a serial sport. Some may want to chit-chat for 3 hours on the course, but most do not. I wonder if they feel the same way about sided by side drivers on an interstate going 45 mph. There are 70 pages of weekly activities on the calendar at TV, many will be amenable to dawdling---but the golf course is not the place. And btw, I also hate when women golfers leave their cigar butts on the greens