Minnesota Dentist Kills the wrong lion....will likely lose a lot of $$$

[TheVillageChicken]

Here is the story about the lion kill (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/28/minnesota-dentist-walter-james-palmer-cecil-lion-africa/30785881/)


Here is part of the blowback. (http://www.yelp.com/biz/river-bluff-dental-bloomington) The webserver is down at his business, and the answer phone says the business is closed.

I think big game hunting is especially disgusting. I quit hunting many years ago and haven't taken a dove, quail, duck, rabbit, deer, turkey, or squirrel since I was in my twenties. My cousins think I am a softie.

[Walt.]

Here is the story about the lion kill (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/28/minnesota-dentist-walter-james-palmer-cecil-lion-africa/30785881/)


Here is part of the blowback. (http://www.yelp.com/biz/river-bluff-dental-bloomington) The webserver is down at his business, and the answer phone says the business is closed.

I think big game hunting is especially disgusting. I quit hunting many years ago and haven't taken a dove, quail, duck, rabbit, deer, turkey, or squirrel since I was in my twenties. My cousins think I am a softie.
Nice that his business may be ruined. Just too bad the lion didn't get him.
Former VP candidate Paul Ryan hunts with a bow and arrow. Here he is with one of the ferocious beasts he's taken down.Bowhunter Ryan attracts 'Hunger Games' vote | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bowhunter-ryan-attracts-hunger-games-vote/article/2504639)

[redwitch]

I just love how he claims to be a responsible hunter yet lured the lion from the national park to an unprotected space. May he spend his eternity as bait for black bears and African lions.

[shcisamax]

I just love how he claims to be a responsible hunter yet lured the lion from the national park to an unprotected space. May he spend his eternity as bait for black bears and African lions.

I'll drink to that.

[gomoho]

KARMA is a bitch - and with the number of animals he has killed he's gonna have one big payback.

[Barefoot]

I just love how he claims to be a responsible hunter yet lured the lion from the national park to an unprotected space. May he spend his eternity as bait for black bears and African lions.
:bigbow:

[Phanatic Luvr]

Absolutely disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CFrance]

KARMA is a bitch - and with the number of animals he has killed he's gonna have one big payback.
:bigbow:

[Cedwards38]

:bigbow:KARMA is a bitch - and with the number of animals he has killed he's gonna have one big payback.

[outlaw]

I believe people who hunt for sport, especially trophy game, would pay to hunt/kill humans. I avoid these types of people.

[DonH57]

This one of the most horrific stories I've read in a long time. His punishment should be to be dropped off in the middle of Africa's lion country without weapons or knives and let him become the hunted. He wouldn't last long.

[Chi-Town]

This says it so well:


https://youtu.be/_LzXpE1mjqA

[Bonny]

It just made me sick when I heard about this !! What kind of sport is this ?! I hope he loses his dental practice. I sure wouldn't go to him. Shame on him !!

[Chi-Town]

Of anyone wants to send this scumbag some correspondence here is his address:

Dr Walter Palmer
11413 Landing Rd.
Eden Prairie, MN 55347-4951

The Federal Election Commission has a campaign financial disclosure portal and there he is.

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[Serenoa]

two words explain trophy hunting by men: micropenile compensation

[Barefoot]

:thumbup:two words explain trophy hunting by men: micropenile compensation
:thumbup:

[RickeyD]

Here is the story about the lion kill (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/28/minnesota-dentist-walter-james-palmer-cecil-lion-africa/30785881/)





Here is part of the blowback. (http://www.yelp.com/biz/river-bluff-dental-bloomington) The webserver is down at his business, and the answer phone says the business is closed.



I think big game hunting is especially disgusting. I quit hunting many years ago and haven't taken a dove, quail, duck, rabbit, deer, turkey, or squirrel since I was in my twenties. My cousins think I am a softie.




This man is an absolute piece of sh-t. I wonder how he would feel if when he returned home from his hunt, his wife and children were slaughtered. I'm sure there are many dirtbags that would do his family for less than 50K.

[shcisamax]

two words explain trophy hunting by men: micropenile compensation

So well said.

[Patty55]

The whole thing makes me want to vomit. I'm totally against hunting in any form.

[john1953]

When I lived back in Philly I knew a guy that did just this type of hunting.he would fly over to Africa and they would guarantee him a kill on what ever animal he wanted.As long as he paid the price,which was expensive.I was in his home to see all the animals that he had stuffed and killed.Every animal that you can imagine he had mounted on his wall or standing stuffed.In fact when I visited his home he had just had an elephant head and this was HUGE mounted in this room.They had to take the roof off just to get it in.I didn`t agree with it then but this type of hunting goes on all the time with 100`s of so called hunters.My hope for the dentist is that all his patients go else where for service.

[Chi-Town]

The whole thing makes me want to vomit. I'm totally against hunting in any form.
I'm with you. This is the way to shoot animals:

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[twoplanekid]

While I am not defending the actions of this man, others in the Villages have done similar things. If you don’t care for this type of killing, then judge everyone equally. I can't say more because my post will be deleted.

[Barefoot]

While I am not defending the actions of this man, others in the Villages have done similar things. If you don’t care for this type of killing, then judge everyone equally. I can't say more because my post will be deleted.

:confused: I'm not sure what you're telling us to do.
The issue of the Morses' Hunting habits has been addressed on previous threads (if that is what you're talking about).
In my opinion, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. We do judge everyone equally.
IMHO, this Dentist is a crappy excuse for a human being.

[Chi-Town]

He paid $55,000.00 to kill the lion. And here is where the head will probably be mounted, a trophy room in his home (pictured). Good luck keeping up that lifestyle.

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[Uberschaf]

Someone makes too much money.50k to go hunting,cheese and rice.

[JP]

I know you will all find this hard to believe, but the trophy fees that are collected for hunting around the world have actually made the herds stronger. In the countries that don't collect such fees and or allow hunting, poaching is rampant because there is no money to prevent it. The hunting fees also allow the countries that collect them the ability to hire wildlife managers to improve the habitats and the herds similar to the DNR's in the USA.

That said, I personally think this guy is a scumbag violator based on reading the account of how this animal was killed. He definitely deserves to be punished. There are rules to be followed and he didn't do that. He makes all hunters look bad.

[Patty55]

I don't understand the attraction of hanging "trophies" or even collecting them. When the Brownwood movies were opening they showed the skins like it was something great.

[Johnd]

“Nice that his business may be ruined.”
“May he spend his eternity as bait for black bears and African lions.”
“I believe people who hunt for sport, especially trophy game, would pay to hunt/kill humans.”
“I hope he loses his dental practice.”
“I'm sure there are many dirtbags that would do his family for less than 50K.”

Wow. Glad this is the friendliest hometown, otherwise some might be proposing drastic solutions to this event. I’m not a hunter nor gun enthusiast at all. But I think those that engage in this legal activity have a right to do so.

I hope this guy’s business is not ruined as many may be dependent on it. I also hope no harm comes to him as he may gain a new view towards his activity from some of the criticism he’s getting. I sure hope no harm comes to his family.

Get a grip folks.

[tomwed]

I'm sitting here eating a sausage and pepper sandwich reading this thread and imagining myself in Africa lion hunting. I couldn't shoot the lion but on some level I feel like a hypocrite.
Ten minutes ago I was trying to figure out how to get Sam's Club chickens sold in the south end of town.
If karma does exist, I think some pig has it in for me. [not to mention a lot of chickens]

[Walt.]

“Nice that his business may be ruined.”
But I think those that engage in this legal activity have a right to do so.

Get a grip folks.

Perhaps you missed the part where they lured the animal off the protected national park area...

Shot it with an arrow and finally killed it 40 hours later.

If someones dog is in bad shape, and needs to be put down, would it be ok to do it with a crossbow? It would probably be legal.

[Justus]

In the same news today, an innocent Montana family of good Samaritans stopped to help a Mexican national, free on bond from a burglary in Wyoming, who had run out of gas on the highway. He shot the husband, wife and teenage daughter, stole their car and left them to die like dogs in the dirt.

What I want to know is where the outrage is. The husband and wife died on the spot and the daughter has a bullet lodged in her spine. It seems to me that if you're going to wish someone dead or would like to see Karma get them, this is the kind of miscreant that deserves to be drawn and quartered.

His punishment? The Feds are "considering" deporting him if they think he's bad enough to lose his immigration status.

Why is there such outrage against a stupid individual who, by the way, trusted the African "guides" and landowner he paid to get this trophy, when human lives have been brutally taken and not a peep from anyone. Not even the mainstream press.

BTW, during Hitler's reign of terror, animals were elevated to human status. Deja vu.

[shcisamax]

Really?
Start a different thread. This thread is about trophy hunting and the jerk that paid $55,000 to kill an animal.

[twoplanekid]

Who would kill many large game animals without permits for the sole purpose of head trophies and then lie about it until caught?

[Justus]

Really?
Start a different thread. This thread is about trophy hunting and the jerk that paid $55,000 to kill an animal.

You make my point.

[Chi-Town]

In the same news today, an innocent Montana family of good Samaritans stopped to help a Mexican national, free on bond from a burglary in Wyoming, who had run out of gas on the highway. He shot the husband, wife and teenage daughter, stole their car and left them to die like dogs in the dirt.

What I want to know is where the outrage is. The husband and wife died on the spot and the daughter has a bullet lodged in her spine. It seems to me that if you're going to wish someone dead or would like to see Karma get them, this is the kind of miscreant that deserves to be drawn and quartered.

His punishment? The Feds are "considering" deporting him if they think he's bad enough to lose his immigration status.

Why is there such outrage against a stupid individual who, by the way, trusted the African "guides" and landowner he paid to get this trophy, when human lives have been brutally taken and not a peep from anyone. Not even the mainstream press.

BTW, during Hitler's reign of terror, animals were elevated to human status. Deja vu.

Crazy train of thought you've got there. Kind of Twilight Zone like.

[Yung Dum]

Paying $50,000 for a “guaranteed kill” does not sound like hunting to me.

[Patty55]

Who would kill many large game animals without permits for the sole purpose of head trophies and then lie about it until caught?

I think killing them with or without permits is wrong. It might be legal but sorry, it's still wrong.

From what I hear he is now in hiding, people are looking for him, there is talk of extradition. I'm wondering if he's having fun being hunted.

[Barefoot]

Glad this is the friendliest hometown, otherwise some might be proposing drastic solutions to this event. I’m not a hunter nor gun enthusiast at all. But I think those that engage in this legal activity have a right to do so. Get a grip folks.

Our negative reaction to the slaughter of this lion somehow means The Villages isn't the friendliest hometown? I don't get the connection. :confused:

[Justus]

No one has said this guy didn't do something illegal, but to equate his act with the slaughter of humans is anthropomorphizing to the extreme. Would you find it impossible to believe that those sweet, beautiful, fuzzy animals are known to relentlessly hunt humans...even without permits?

[Justus]

Crazy train of thought you've got there. Kind of Twilight Zone like.

Since you mention it, what I think is crazy is the disproportionate empathy for this animal, when human suffering receives no intelligible response whatsoever. That was actually an old Twilight Zone theme.

Had this guy not been rich, would anyone care or be stalking his home and family? And would Zimbabwe, home of elephant poachers and other unconscionable sorts, be demanding his extradition? It's outrageous.

[Taltarzac725]

Beyond Cecil the Lion: Trophy-Hunting Industry in Africa Explained - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/cecil-lion-trophy-hunting-industry-africa-explained/story?id=32785057)

Anyone have more links about this issue? I have an animal rights friend in Minnesota who is also a huge organizer on Facebook and on other sites about the rights of animals. She is a vegan only eating vegetables, breads, etc. and often rescues animals on the road which have been hit by cars. Her home is full of animals she has rescued off roads along with her many pets. I do admire what she is doing but sometimes disagree with her methods.

I am not a vegan and still like beef, pork, fish, chicken, etc. I do try not to anger my Minnesota friend by posting pictures of meals on Facebook like with a picture of my latest experience at Bonefish Grill.

As to my hunting practices, I have not hunting anything since I was about 13 or so and my Reno friends' favorite past-time was hunting rattlesnakes with 22s. I would see some skins on the walls of their bedrooms. I would bring my shotgun and make sure I was always the last man on the line. In addition, I had a hard time being as quiet as some of my friends wanted as some rocks would sometimes get in the way of my feet.

It is kind of hard to take a fast and true take on animal rights like my fellow University of Minnesota Law Grad has done. I know she is livid about this Minnesota dentist and is doing everything she can to destroy his reputation, ability to earn a livelihood and other aspects of his life there in Minnesota. There is a point though when it goes too far when you put this man's family in danger because of all the hatred directed at him. His neighbors probably also are paying a huge price just for being his neighbors along with any staff he might have at his dental practice. I still see human rights as being a lot more important than animal rights. There of course should be some limitations on trophy hunting and the like. Maybe these hunters should be held responsible for making sure that whatever meat comes off of these animals feeds people with very little to eat in these communities where they have killed these animals for their trophies? Not Cecil though as he is a national symbol of Zimbabwe. The MN dentist's guides though are the people who really should be condemned with respect to drawing Cecil into an area where he could be killed. I doubt if the dentist targeted Cecil without the direction of his African guides.

What Cecil the lion means to Zimbabwe - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33722688)

[Justus]

Beyond Cecil the Lion: Trophy-Hunting Industry in Africa Explained - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/cecil-lion-trophy-hunting-industry-africa-explained/story?id=32785057)

Anyone have more links about this issue? I have an animal rights friend in Minnesota who is also a huge organizer on Facebook and the like about the rights of animals. She is a vegan only eating vegetables and the like and often rescues animals on the road which have been hit by cars. Her home is full of animals she has rescued off roads along with her many pets.

I am not a vegan and still like beef, pork, fish, chicken, etc.

I have not hunting anything since I was about 13 or so and my Reno friends' favorite past-time was hunting rattlesnakes with 22s and the like. I would see some skins on the walls of their bedrooms. I would bring my shotgun and make sure I was always the last man on the line. In addition, I had a hard time being as quiet as some of my friends' wanted as some rocks would sometimes get in the way of my feet.

It is kind of hard to take a fast and true take on animal rights like my fellow University of Minnesota Law Grad has done. I know she is livid about this Minnesota dentist and is doing everything she can to destroy his reputation, ability to earn a livelihood and the like there in Minnesota. There is a point though when it goes too far when you put this man's family in danger because of all the hatred directed at him. I still see human rights as being a lot more important than animal rights. There of course should be some limitations on trophy hunting and the like. Maybe these hunters should be held responsible for making sure that whatever meat comes off of these animals feeds people with very little to eat in these communities where they have killed these animals for their trophies? Not Cecil though as he is a national symbol of Zimbabwe. The MN dentist's guides though are the people who really should be condemned with respect to drawing Cecil into an area where he could be killed. I doubt if the dentist targeted Cecil without the direction of his African guides.

:bigbow: You hit the nail on the head. Whatever is driving these people to destroy this guy's family and livelihood is not compassion for the animal. It's something much, much deeper and more insidious.

[twoplanekid]

I think killing them with or without permits is wrong. It might be legal but sorry, it's still wrong.

From what I hear he is now in hiding, people are looking for him, there is talk of extradition. I'm wondering if he's having fun being hunted.

“Who would kill many large game animals without permits for the sole purpose of head trophies and then lie about it until caught?”

I was referring to local TV people who were in the news several years ago. People can and do make mistakes. How we judge their actions sometimes can lead to a double standard. We can forgive and forget some but not others for doing similar acts.

[Johnd]

When I first read this thread there were seven or eight posts in the first three pages calling for pretty extreme sanctions on the dentist, his family and, by extension, his employees. I'm well aware of the practice on social media of ginning up the mob to ruin the life of people for various reasons. I don't agree with that practice and thought that this thread may be veering off in that direction. This is a senior community and we have all gained more knowledge and perspective then we had when we were younger. I don't want to see our social media go in the mistaken direction of the ones dominated by younger people.

Finally, no matter what each of us might think about trophy hunting, there are other points of view that are worth hearing. Here's one:

"And then there’s trophy hunting. Because it attaches a large economic incentive to the continued presence of animals that often live in conflict with us humans, it contributes to, if not outright ensures their survival. Can the link between high-dollar trophy hunting of endangered species and their conservation be quantified? Conservation Magazine studied the issue and found:

“According to a 2005 paper by Nigel Leader-Williams and colleagues in the Journal of International Wildlife Law and Policy the answer is yes. Leader-Williams describes how the legalization of white rhinoceros hunting in South Africa motivated private landowners to reintroduce the species onto their lands. As a result, the country saw an increase in white rhinos from fewer than one hundred individuals to more than 11,000, even while a limited number were killed as trophies.”

What’s going on there is that a specific economic incentive was introduced that benefited the white rhino population. Yes, this resulted in some being killed and turned into the world’s most morbid umbrella stands or whatever, but by and large, the white rhino population was able recover from the brink of extinction specifically thanks to trophy hunting. Your social media outrage didn’t save the white rhino in South Africa, trophy hunters did.

Because a hunter like Walt Palmer is prepared to fly over and pay someone a large sum of money to kill a big, endangered critter, an economic opportunity attached to that critter is created. So, an enterprising individual will do anything from breeding to fostering to protecting and/or providing a habitat for a population of those critters. In order for that economic opportunity to last and for the investment to pay off, many more critters need to be added than the Walts of this world can ever kill. And because Walt and his pals want prime examples of that critter hanging on their trophy room walls, those critters need to be happy, healthy and wild. Yes, Walt will kill some of them, but many more will be able to go about their happy, healthy, wild lives as a result."

I still say get a grip. Try to keep that grip as this stuff swirls around.

[Justus]

Thank you, Johnd! A voice of sanity.

[tomwed]

When I first read this thread there were seven or eight posts in the first three pages calling for pretty extreme sanctions on the dentist, his family and, by extension, his employees. I'm well aware of the practice on social media of ginning up the mob to ruin the life of people for various reasons. I don't agree with that practice and thought that this thread may be veering off in that direction. This is a senior community and we have all gained more knowledge and perspective then we had when we were younger. I don't want to see our social media go in the mistaken direction of the ones dominated by younger people.........
I still say get a grip. Try to keep that grip as this stuff swirls around.
Thank-you for taking the time to sort this out and share your thoughts.

[JP]

I went on one trophy hunt, and to say the least, I thought it was gross. There is really no skill involved in the hunt. The guide takes you to the area where they know the animal lives and puts you in the right spot for a kill shot with your weapon of choice. Not too much skill involved.

Now these people that are condemning this guy, I definitely see their point but when they start talking about the "noble" "pure" "majestic" animal I think they are being hypocrites. Many of these people I am sure are driving their car thru a Mcdonalds or eating a steak or pork chop for dinner. What about the "majestic" animal that was killed to put this food on their plate. Quite a double standard. Either all animals are majestic and should never be harmed or they are here on our planet as a food source.

By the way, many animals view other animals and insects as food sources. Hmmmm. Does that make these animals inherently bad. Aren't we just animals?

[Walt.]

No one has said this guy didn't do something illegal, but to equate his act with the slaughter of humans is anthropomorphizing to the extreme. Would you find it impossible to believe that those sweet, beautiful, fuzzy animals are known to relentlessly hunt humans...even without permits?

The next time a lion goes to Eden Prairie and has somebody lured from their home for the purpose of ripping them to pieces let me know.


BTW, during Hitler's reign of terror, animals were elevated to human status. Deja vu.

Wow... when you get to this level people might think you've lost it altogether.
I guess it's just a matter of time before somebody yells "racism!!"

[Barefoot]

No one has said this guy didn't do something illegal, but to equate his act with the slaughter of humans is anthropomorphizing to the extreme.

Justus - you didn't reference another post. :confused:
Perhaps I missed the post where someone equated the Dentist's kill to the slaughter of humans.
Could you please post the comment you referenced?

[Justus]

Barefoot, If you read through the vitriol in response to this subject, it becomes too evident. When posters wish the dentist would arrive home to find his wife and children slaughtered, what more evidence is needed? The case I cited in an earlier post was published on the same day as the lion story; three people were slaughtered by a stranger to whom they'd offered assistance. The visceral reaction of many to the killing of this animal, and indifference to the other story, reveals that equation.

What is evident as this century unfolds is that animals are indeed being elevated to human status, and human life is being devalued. When we are more appalled by the death of an animal than by the death of a human, we have lost our moral compass. It's a historical fact that Adolf Hitler valued animals in this way; you can find this information anywhere.

Five days ago, a town in Spain became the first to give animals rights equal to those of its citizens. Need I say more?

[Walt.]

...The case I cited in an earlier post was published on the same day as the lion story; three people were slaughtered by a stranger to whom they'd offered assistance. The visceral reaction of many to the killing of this animal, and indifference to the other story, reveals that equation.



It could be because group-murders happen every day. When was the last time you saw a story about multi-beheadings in Mexico? It gets to the point where you can't get upset every time you read about it. Next week people will be all concerned about some kid whose tree-house fell down.

[Barefoot]

Justus - you didn't reference another post. :confused: Perhaps I missed the post where someone equated the Dentist's kill to the slaughter of humans. Could you please post the comment you referenced?


Barefoot, If you read through the vitriol in response to this subject, it becomes too evident.

I still haven't seen a comment where a poster equated the Dentist's kill to the slaughter of humans.
I think you are taking comments out of context to make a point. So be it.
No-one is indifferent to the story about the killing of three humans by a stranger. It's just not the topic of this thread.

[Patty55]

Well, what do y'know, it seems Dr. Palmer had a similar problem back in 2008 when he killed a bear.




Dr. Palmer 2008 Charges (http://www.scribd.com/doc/273160072/Dr-Palmer-2008-Charges#scribd)

And it looks like in 2009 he settled a sexual harassment case with his receptionist/patient. WHAT A GUY.

Dr. Palmer has a criminal record and then some (Reply #50) - Democratic Underground (http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1161263)

[Love2Swim]

It could be because group-murders happen every day. When was the last time you saw a story about multi-beheadings in Mexico? It gets to the point where you can't get upset every time you read about it. Next week people will be all concerned about some kid whose tree-house fell down.

I see your point, but I also see what Justis is trying to say. I don't approve of trophy hunting, and this whole slaughter of the collared lion was a terrible tragedy, certainly not sporting. But I do agree with Justis, in that society seems to be placing more and more importance on animals, and becoming indifferent to or ignoring the plight of humans. I look at the millions of dollars that are spent on dogs in The Villages for example. We all want to take care of our pets, to be sure, but surely a line needs to be drawn somewhere. We have human beings in the surrounding areas that are starving and homeless, and we're spending $thousands on dog hip replacements on aging pets, for example. It just feels like we, as a society, have gone a little overboard with animals.

[Greg Nelson]

The thrill of the hunt...

[Justus]

I still haven't seen a comment where a poster equated the Dentist's kill to the slaughter of humans.
I think you are taking comments out of context to make a point. So be it.
No-one is indifferent to the story about the killing of three humans by a stranger. It's just not the topic of this thread.

I don't agree with your narrow interpretation, however it's your opinion and I respect and defend your right to have it, just as I am sure you do mine.

[shcisamax]

I see your point, but I also see what Justis is trying to say. I don't approve of trophy hunting, and this whole slaughter of the collared lion was a terrible tragedy, certainly not sporting. But I do agree with Justis, in that society seems to be placing more and more importance on animals, and becoming indifferent to or ignoring the plight of humans. I look at the millions of dollars that are spent on dogs in The Villages for example. We all want to take care of our pets, to be sure, but surely a line needs to be drawn somewhere. We have human beings in the surrounding areas that are starving and homeless, and we're spending $thousands on dog hip replacements on aging pets, for example. It just feels like we, as a society, have gone a little overboard with animals.

In some ways we may have gone overboard on our pets and there are times we need to let them go..just as we do with humans. However, some humans have begun to recognize their opposing thumb and larger brain do not necessarily make them more deserving of life than other species. I think it is a very healthy discussion to have as to whether trophy hunting smacks of something truly ugly and something grotesque within those that feel joy from stalking another living thing, killing it, beheading and skinning it and displaying your kill in your home.

[Taltarzac725]

I see your point, but I also see what Justis is trying to say. I don't approve of trophy hunting, and this whole slaughter of the collared lion was a terrible tragedy, certainly not sporting. But I do agree with Justis, in that society seems to be placing more and more importance on animals, and becoming indifferent to or ignoring the plight of humans. I look at the millions of dollars that are spent on dogs in The Villages for example. We all want to take care of our pets, to be sure, but surely a line needs to be drawn somewhere. We have human beings in the surrounding areas that are starving and homeless, and we're spending $thousands on dog hip replacements on aging pets, for example. It just feels like we, as a society, have gone a little overboard with animals.

Dogs are great emotional companions for people and often keep the family's involved on a very even keel.

As to helping the homeless, empathy with them would be paramount in helping them out. There has been a retired Navy man and former Orlando area teacher who lives among the homeless in various communities and then blogs, videos, etc, about the problems they have with finding jobs, dealing with authorities, fighting prejudices, etc. His work is very eye-opening . Walk a Mile in Their Shoes | A 24 Hour Crash Course on Homelessness (http://homeless-hungry.org/) News and Media | Walk a Mile in Their Shoes (http://homeless-hungry.org/news/) https://www.facebook.com/hungryandhomeless

Some homeless also have their animals along so that they can cope with their difficult lives.

[Chi-Town]

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[Chi-Town]

Time for a reminder of what this thread is about:

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[shcisamax]

:bigbow:Time for a reminder of what this thread is about:

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[Barefoot]

In some ways we may have gone overboard on our pets and there are times we need to let them go, just as we do with humans. However, some humans have begun to recognize their opposing thumb and larger brain do not necessarily make them more deserving of life than other species. I think it is a very healthy discussion to have as to whether trophy hunting smacks of something truly ugly and something grotesque within those that feel joy from stalking another living thing, killing it, beheading and skinning it and displaying your kill in your home. :thumbup:

[Barefoot]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/53797d1438520845t-minnesota-dentist-kills-wrong-lion-will-likely-lose-lot-$$$-uploadfromtaptalk1438520680747-jpg

Thanks for the reminder Chi-Town.

[Love2Swim]

Dogs are great emotional companions for people and often keep the family's involved on a very even keel.

As to helping the homeless, empathy with them would be paramount in helping them out. There has been a retired Navy man and former Orlando area teacher who lives among the homeless in various communities and then blogs, videos, etc, about the problems they have with finding jobs, dealing with authorities, fighting prejudices, etc. His work is very eye-opening . Walk a Mile in Their Shoes | A 24 Hour Crash Course on Homelessness (http://homeless-hungry.org/) News and Media | Walk a Mile in Their Shoes (http://homeless-hungry.org/news/) https://www.facebook.com/hungryandhomeless

Some homeless also have their animals along so that they can cope with their difficult lives.

Good points, thank you.

[Bavarian]

I have read different reports on how this was being felt in Zimbabwe. First I read that they did not care the Cecil the Lion was killed, that a Human women was killed by a lion in same park who climbed in the window of here car. The other that the money earned could feed 10,000 people.

If you have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, I suggest you watch it. Very good movie.

[tomwed]

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[Ravens Fan]

All of you out there who are against killing of wild animals would not think that way if they had someone in their lives who was killed by one of them. Had a deer jump in front of a car and killed a relative of mine. The deer came through the windshield. I'm all for hunting of the wild game.

[shcisamax]

My car has been hit by a deer also or I hit the deer. It is frightening. I am sorry about your relative. As upsetting as it was, I am sure you realize it was an accident and that the deer didn't intentionally kill someone.

[Chi-Town]

All of you out there who are against killing of wild animals would not think that way if they had someone in their lives who was killed by one of them. Had a deer jump in front of a car and killed a relative of mine. The deer came through the windshield. I'm all for hunting of the wild game.
Ir you were a Packers fan November would be a big month for you. It's a deer hunting frenzy and big business in Wisconsin. But that has the purpose of thinning a way overpopulated species that suffers at high numbers and also puts meat on the table as venison is a popular dish there. The killing of Cecil does not equate.

[GeoGeo]

I personally don't like hunting, but I grew up in an area where hunting was the norm. But you ate what you killed and you didn't lure your prey. And going on these big hunts to kill animals that are just for trophies is so wrong. There are so few lions left in the world. It should be against the law to hunt them.

[twoplanekid]

A friend of mine who looks like the Rambo type of guy would go to Africa to kill troubled/problem big game animals. This particular African country would allow him to shoot one of these animals after he spent so many weeks patrolling the wilds looking for poachers. In years past, the rumor of an American hunter in the area would keep poachers at bay. He could tell some very interesting true stories about his adventures in Africa that were as entertaining as any Rambo movie.

[Justus]

Poor Gary!

53825

Looks as though Cecil was a murderer...Poor Gary! He left a wife and children. Gazelle Lives Matter!

[Bonny]

Poor Gary!

53825

Looks as though Cecil was a murderer...Poor Gary! He left a wife and children. Gazelle Lives Matter!
Definitely can't compare the food chain of life to someone who lures an animal out of a protected area to kill for the thrill.

[Serenoa]

Poor Gary!



Looks as though Cecil was a murderer...Poor Gary! He left a wife and children. Gazelle Lives Matter!

Did Cecil have a collection of trophy heads on the walls of his den???

[Justus]

Definitely can't compare the food chain of life to someone who lures an animal out of a protected area to kill for the thrill.

This guy's already been convicted by the press and PETA nuts. His side of the story is that his professional African guides and the African landowner assured him the kill was legal. No one's interested in his side, and I doubt he will get a fair trial. The fact that Obama may intercede on Zimbabwe's behalf and effect extradition of an American citizen is extreme and unconscionable.

And how about the innocent Wisconsin dentist who is unfortunate enough to have the same name , who has been harassed and his family threatened by the same "animal lovers" heading up the lynch mob. He will be destroyed by proxy. It's out of control.

[Johnd]

I too offer condolences to Greta Gazelle and her eight small babies. I understand the attack on her very popular husband Gary was unprovoked. It seems there was stalking involved.

Extradition to Zimbabwe may not produce the best judicial result. A recent Washington Post article detailed the 91st birthday bash for the ruler of Zimbabwe. He denounced safaris while dining on baby elephant. The rest of the guests shared Buffalo, Sable and Impalas. There was a freshly stuffed lion and crocodile for table ornaments. Sort of a mixed message.

[Barefoot]

Looks as though Cecil was a murderer...Poor Gary! He left a wife and children. Gazelle Lives Matter!
Is this supposed to be funny, and to prove some kind of a point? :confused:
Of course we all understand the food chain, and that weaker animals will be prey for stronger animals.
Ducks and Gators come to mind.
But that is VERY DIFFERENT than trophy hunting.

[tomwed]

This is what NPR has to say on the subject. click here (http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=428079500&m=428080535)

One person interviewed said the debate is Illegal Poaching vs Legal Trophy Hunting. They also said that there are 400 lion trophies a year coming into the US.

[Justus]

So what the country of Zimbabwe objects to is not Legal Trophy Hunting, but Illegal Poaching by their own people. So the issue is not, in their eyes, what is happening to their "endangered" animal populations, as has been repeatedly stressed in this thread, but simply the taking of game on which they could not exact their own cut of the profits. Sounds as though this entire thread about poor Cecil is all about the money after all.

Not to put too fine a point on it, if ugly Americans are taking 400 trophies a year at $50,000 a head, the leader of Zimbabwe, who was eating the baby elephant and other exotic species to celebrate his 91st birthday, wants more of that $20 Million. And I'm sure with all that revenue, he'll be feeding all the starving children in his country. Whew! Now I can sleep at night!

[tomwed]

So what the country of Zimbabwe objects to is not Legal Trophy Hunting, but Illegal Poaching by their own people. So the issue is not, in their eyes, what is happening to their "endangered" animal populations, as has been repeatedly stressed in this thread, but simply the taking of game on which they could not exact their own cut of the profits. Sounds as though this entire thread about poor Cecil is all about the money after all.

Not to put too fine a point on it, if ugly Americans are taking 400 trophies a year at $50,000 a head, the leader of Zimbabwe, who was eating the baby elephant and other exotic species to celebrate his 91st birthday, wants more of that $20 Million. And I'm sure with all that revenue, he'll be feeding all the starving children in his country. Whew! Now I can sleep at night!

You can help. go to Click Here (http://www.ifaw.org/united-states/get-involved/our-last-chance-protect-african-lions-american-hunters?ms=UONDG150709020&cid=701F0000000Sq7S)
As mentioned in the NPR broadcast the International Fund for Animal Welfare saves individual animals, animal populations and habitats all over the world. With projects in more than 40 countries, IFAW provides hands-on assistance to animals in need, whether it's dogs and cats, wildlife and livestock, or rescuing animals in the wake of disasters. They also advocate saving populations from cruelty and depletion, such as our campaign to end commercial whaling and seal hunts.