More empathy for the death of a lion than for butchering unborn children!!!

[Guest]

I am going to assume there is an equal amount of rage in America over the slaughtering and butchering of unborn children as there is for the famous lion that was killed.

The real disparity of course is the coverage by the media.
They try to extract mouring from the listener for the death of a beloved lion.
They try to cover up the killing of unborn children by using terms most people have no idea what they mean. They play up the so called good that Planned Parenthood does while playing down the butchering and selling of the baby parts.

I am more ashamed evry day of that part of our society that thinks more about the videos than they do what the videos portray.

You know the same tactic here on this forum when the source of controversy in an article is attacked while ignoring the more important message.

[Guest]

I am more upset about the lion. The babies are killed by their mothers. I don't think Planned Parenthood is the problem, I think the problem is these women killing their unborn children.

There is a lack sex education in too many areas, a total breakdown in values and way too many women left holding the bag when the guy takes off.

These woman have nothing to do with the sale of body parts. If you all feel so strongly stop buying products that contain them.

[Guest]

That's the liberal mentality. Sickening

[Guest]

That's because a lion is alive and a fetus is not. Your choice to call it an unborn child is propaganda only. You think the bible treats fetuses the same as humans? How come the old testament penalty for a fetal loss was entirely different than a human loss? Because even 2500 years ago those primitive cultures understood it ain't a baby until it is born at which time it is entitled to the protections given humans. So God says so and that's good enough for me.

[Guest]

That's because a lion is alive and a fetus is not. Your choice to call it an unborn child is propaganda only. You think the bible treats fetuses the same as humans? How come the old testament penalty for a fetal loss was entirely different than a human loss? Because even 2500 years ago those primitive cultures understood it ain't a baby until it is born at which time it is entitled to the protections given humans. So God says so and that's good enough for me.

Dear Guest: You are privileged to make these comments because you had adults in your life that protected your right to life. Scientific evidence supports the fact that the unborn is alive and well into the first trimester.

If a woman doesn't want children she has a choice and methods to control conception. .

The topic at hand is the liberal press deflecting Planned Parenthood's breach of medical ethics by focusing on a dentist who killed a lion. This is a primary example of our continued march toward moral anarchy . it is also a deflection because it exposes the fact that the left never concerns it self with the rights of the unborn right up to and including birth . The left will claim the high ground by stating that the procedure is legal and benefits mankind but the facts are that the same scientific applications are being done without destroy a fetus. As to legal the courts should decide. It is clear that this is the same type of medical breach that was exercised in Nazi Germany

the left will then point to woman's right and woman's health and that anyone suggesting that funding for Planned parenthood be stopped is opposed to both. Well Senator Ernst ( R-Iowa) has drafted a bill that will divert funds from Planned Parenthood and redirect them to other health centers, hospital and organizations that provide non-abortion health care for all women. So much for not caring about women's health.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

I am going to assume there is an equal amount of rage in America over the slaughtering and butchering of unborn children as there is for the famous lion that was killed.

The real disparity of course is the coverage by the media.
They try to extract mouring from the listener for the death of a beloved lion.
They try to cover up the killing of unborn children by using terms most people have no idea what they mean. They play up the so called good that Planned Parenthood does while playing down the butchering and selling of the baby parts.

I am more ashamed evry day of that part of our society that thinks more about the videos than they do what the videos portray.

You know the same tactic here on this forum when the source of controversy in an article is attacked while ignoring the more important message.

So true. :agree:

[Guest]

I am more upset about the lion. The babies are killed by their mothers. I don't think Planned Parenthood is the problem, I think the problem is these women killing their unborn children.

There is a lack sex education in too many areas, a total breakdown in values and way too many women left holding the bag when the guy takes off.

These woman have nothing to do with the sale of body parts. If you all feel so strongly stop buying products that contain them.

Weird! I am surprised that you didn't also blame the lion for getting itself killed. Oh well, some folks have a warped way of seeing life.

Planned Parenthood has a legal right to provide abortions. We will see if it has a right to sell baby parts. Personally, I believe they should be cut off of all taxpayer funding since it is illegal for the gov to fund abortions. As far as providing baby parts, I am surprised that they aren't lynched for their abhorrent activity. Not only do I think congress should make it illegal, but I think that all residue of procedures should be treated as hazmat and destroyed. No one should profit from murder.

[Guest]

That's because a lion is alive and a fetus is not. Your choice to call it an unborn child is propaganda only. You think the bible treats fetuses the same as humans? How come the old testament penalty for a fetal loss was entirely different than a human loss? Because even 2500 years ago those primitive cultures understood it ain't a baby until it is born at which time it is entitled to the protections given humans. So God says so and that's good enough for me.

What god are you referring to? It doesn't say anything like that in my Bible to substantiate your comment. Your statement was proven wrong many years ago. But, the abortion issue is moot at this point since the liberals have won the abortion battle (for now). The issue is what to do with the unborn baby parts. And of course, the older the unborn baby is, the more valuable the body parts. Of course, it's funny how it is a "fetus" until they are selling "body" parts. Then they are human body parts.

Maybe we should set up a franchise at assisted living and make some money off of seniors when they pass. How about that, want to be sliced and diced after you are gone? If so, why not be a donor? I'm sure you will jump in here and state that you are a donor. I set you up for that one. Remember, that is your choice. It's not the choice of the unborn baby.

I think we should compare planned parenthood to the Nazis. It seems like a good comparison.

I feel for the lion also. But, even though I sometimes like animals more than I do humans, I do know the difference. The idea that the lion gets more media coverage and empathy than the million unborn children murdered per year, is astounding.

[Guest]

The fetus is not a child until it can survive outside the mother.

I am right - all you reactionary wingnuts are wrong.

[Guest]

The fetus is not a child until it can survive outside the mother.

I am right - all you reactionary wingnuts are wrong.

Perhaps you are right ~ Did you know that 22 week old fetus are surviving?

Twenty-two weeks is very young. Within abortion guidelines in many states.

"...The study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday, looked at nearly 5,000 babies born before 27 weeks of gestation. It found that a significant number of babies who were born at 22 weeks, just over five months of gestation, survived after being medically treated in a hospital. Previously, 22 weeks was considered too early to resuscitate a baby because survival rates were so low..."


http://www.newsweek.com/babies-born-22-weeks-can-survive-medical-care-new-study-finds-329518

Now what?

[Guest]

Perhaps you are right ~ Did you know that 22 week old fetus are surviving?

Twenty-two weeks is very young. Within abortion guidelines in many states.

Now what?

So, you and I agree that a fetus in the first trimester is not a child. That is the first 3 months of pregnancy. No chance of survival outside the mother until just over 5 months and then some might survive with months of extensive hospital care.

[Guest]

So, you and I agree that a fetus in the first trimester is not a child. That is the first 3 months of pregnancy. No chance of survival outside the mother until just over 5 months and then some might survive with months of extensive hospital care.

No, I don't agree with you. I said: Perhaps you are right.

As a reminder, the article (Perhaps you read it?) details how dramatically survival has changed. Perhaps survival will change again.

[Guest]

No, I don't agree with you. I said: Perhaps you are right.

As a reminder, the article (Perhaps you read it?) details how dramatically survival has changed. Perhaps survival will change again.

Thank you for the "perhaps"that I am right. Shows you are a reasonable person.

I would think that most abortions are done before the fifth month. After that would most likely be for health concerns for the mother or some very serious malady with the fetus.

It is entirely up to the mother to choose. It is not up to a bunch of men in a legislative setting to decide.

[Guest]

That's because a lion is alive and a fetus is not. Your choice to call it an unborn child is propaganda only. You think the bible treats fetuses the same as humans? How come the old testament penalty for a fetal loss was entirely different than a human loss? Because even 2500 years ago those primitive cultures understood it ain't a baby until it is born at which time it is entitled to the protections given humans. So God says so and that's good enough for me.

JMO, but I find this post to be the most grotesque, blasphemous post I have ever read. I'm hoping you wrote this for shock value only and it is not truly what you feel in your heart because it is so very ugly.

I would challenge you to work, HANDS ON, in an abortion clinic for a few months, then let us know what you think.

[Guest]

The fetus is not a child until it can survive outside the mother.

I am right - all you reactionary wingnuts are wrong.

"reactionary wingnuts" ??? How did I know you were a liberal? By your derisive name calling. No big deal, because I have no problems speaking to young folks. Sometimes I just have to dumb it down a bit....joking.

You believe that a fetus is not viable until it's born and survives. So, if a baby is born and dies an hour later, you do not consider it a child? Probably not, because that would ruin your argument.

You see, abortion is rarely done out of necessity. 99% or more are done out of convenience. Convenience is another word for laziness in this case. The mother does not wish to be strapped down by a child, or they don't wish to go through 9 months of diet and taking care of themselves as well as loosing some sleep, morning sickness, etc. Laziness.

Here's a question for you that is slightly off subject. I doubt you will answer it honestly, but if you give me the answer I predict, then you will have proven my point. If you had a sister that had a newborn and on the way home from the hospital, she was in an accident and died but the child survived, would you take care of it?

[Guest]

So, you and I agree that a fetus in the first trimester is not a child. That is the first 3 months of pregnancy. No chance of survival outside the mother until just over 5 months and then some might survive with months of extensive hospital care.

wrong again

[Guest]

Thank you for the "perhaps"that I am right. Shows you are a reasonable person.

I would think that most abortions are done before the fifth month. After that would most likely be for health concerns for the mother or some very serious malady with the fetus.

It is entirely up to the mother to choose. It is not up to a bunch of men in a legislative setting to decide.

Are you a sexist? You do know that there are women in congress? Even in most states congress. Yes, they do make laws. Do you have a better way to make laws? Wow, no offense but how old are you and where did you get your education?

[Guest]

The fetus is not a child until it can survive outside the mother.

I am right - all you reactionary wingnuts are wrong.

Wow - that is either total ignorance or total denial!!

Taking it one step further, I love how liberals disparage religious folks beliefs as unscientific, but when science proves a point that is totally against their crazy ideology, they spit right in the face of it!

[Guest]

Wow - that is either total ignorance or total denial!!

Taking it one step further, I love how liberals disparage religious folks beliefs as unscientific, but when science proves a point that is totally against their crazy ideology, they spit right in the face of it!

:agree:

[Guest]

JMO, but I find this post to be the most grotesque, blasphemous post I have ever read. I'm hoping you wrote this for shock value only and it is not truly what you feel in your heart because it is so very ugly.

I would challenge you to work, HANDS ON, in an abortion clinic for a few months, then let us know what you think.

Key word "work." You know that won't go over well.

[Guest]

The fetus is not a child until it can survive outside the mother.

I am right - all you reactionary wingnuts are wrong.

Here is how you think this through and please do this. Next time your daughter or daughter-in-law is pregnant, please go with her during her sonogram. Have the Dr show you the baby's heart, hands, feet, ***** (if its a boy). Etc and watch the heart beating. If you can then look at the picture and say. This is Not my grandchild, then consider yourself not human (no heart) along with the baby

[Guest]

The fetus is not a child until it can survive outside the mother.

I am right - all you reactionary wingnuts are wrong.

Whatever helps you sleep better.:ohdear:

[Guest]

The fetus is not a child until it can survive outside the mother.

I am right - all you reactionary wingnuts are wrong.

So, I take it that you think the fetus is just a bunch of body parts waiting to be butchered and sold to the highest bidder - shipping and handling included of course:yuck:.

[Guest]

Here is how you think this through and please do this. Next time your daughter or daughter-in-law is pregnant, please go with her during her sonogram. Have the Dr show you the baby's heart, hands, feet, ***** (if its a boy). Etc and watch the heart beating. If you can then look at the picture and say. This is Not my grandchild, then consider yourself not human (no heart) along with the baby

He's too arrogant to admit it. You are speaking to deaf ears and blind eyes. Does that mean he is just a fetus and can be aborted postnadle? :a040:

[Guest]

This thread solidly prooves Some of the opposition here ONLY present partisan position.

Clinton is their candidate no matter how unethical or dishonest.
They are in support or denial on any opposition to the murdering of the unborn and are not against the butchering and sales.

The morals and ethics are not an issue they just salute and carry the party banner......NO MATTER WHAT!

[Guest]

Wow, 10 posts ALL from the same reactionary wingnut poster!

Now, that is funny! Pal, you got to get out and enjoy yoursel more rather than sit and bitch on the computer.

[Guest]

Wow, 10 posts ALL from the same reactionary wingnut poster!

Now, that is funny! Pal, you got to get out and enjoy yoursel more rather than sit and bitch on the computer.

How can you tell?

[Guest]

How can you tell?

Because he can't find a kindred soul so he figures that the other posts that oppose him have to be from one poster. Kind of arrogant of him, although he seems lonely.

[Guest]

Wow, 10 posts ALL from the same reactionary wingnut poster!

Now, that is funny! Pal, you got to get out and enjoy yoursel more rather than sit and bitch on the computer.

He/she didn't write my post. This is the Villages. There's plenty to do here, but we would rather sit here and help you earn your troll pay.

Tell me why you feel sorry for the lion but not for the sale of body parts taken from unborn babies?
While you are at it, explain why "Black Lives Matter" but there were more black babies aborted last year than born.
When you get done there, how about explaining why liberals complain about a couple thousand killed in war and yet there are about a million unborn babies killed every year due to abortion.
Why is it that you liberals don't want to finance Defense because they make war and kill people, but you want to finance an abortion mill franchise, Planned Parenthood.
But trolls don't explain or answer with anything but derogatory name calling.

[Guest]

There is no fight liberals would rather have in an election year than one involving Planned Parenthood. One in five women in the US have used PP, and over two million people a year (men, women, children) get some healthcare from PP every year. That is a lot of people.

Please, please, please keep up the fight against Planned Parenthood right up until election day. BTW: the president said today that he will veto any budget that defunds Planned Parenthood. Now we'll see if republicans are prepared to shut down the government again over this issue, because that worked out so well for them in the past.

[Guest]

There is no fight liberals would rather have in an election year than one involving Planned Parenthood. One in five women in the US have used PP, and over two million people a year (men, women, children) get some healthcare from PP every year. That is a lot of people.

Please, please, please keep up the fight against Planned Parenthood right up until election day. BTW: the president said today that he will veto any budget that defunds Planned Parenthood. Now we'll see if republicans are prepared to shut down the government again over this issue, because that worked out so well for them in the past.

I think you are in for a surprise. I don't think your emperor will be able to do a whole lot after that Democrat from OH gets done with PP. He is black and he is advocating that blacks demonstrate in front of PP with the theme "black lives matter" because there were more black aborted lives last year than black babies born. I am interested to see if he gets media coverage.

[Guest]

AND.....he is cosponsoring a bill to defund PP.

[Guest]

I saw his interview on FOX today.......for all those who will go after the FOX....you really need to stop and get it together for a minute and google this guy and listen to what he has to say.

And then please....PLEASE come back here and tell us what you think of this democrat's position on the matter.

[Guest]

I am more upset about the lion. The babies are killed by their mothers. I don't think Planned Parenthood is the problem, I think the problem is these women killing their unborn children.

There is a lack sex education in too many areas, a total breakdown in values and way too many women left holding the bag when the guy takes off.

These woman have nothing to do with the sale of body parts. If you all feel so strongly stop buying products that contain them.

The liberal "morality" plainly stated ... it's ok to kill babies. Unbelievable.

The only positive aspect is that most of the aborted babies would have otherwise grown up to be dependent Democrats.

[Guest]

That's because a lion is alive and a fetus is not. Your choice to call it an unborn child is propaganda only. You think the bible treats fetuses the same as humans? How come the old testament penalty for a fetal loss was entirely different than a human loss? Because even 2500 years ago those primitive cultures understood it ain't a baby until it is born at which time it is entitled to the protections given humans. So God says so and that's good enough for me.

Since when do Liberal Democrats believe in God?? Stop pretending for political argument sake please

[Guest]

I saved you some work just in case you could not find it:

Ohio State Representative Bill Patmon (D):

» Ohio State Rep: ‘Black Lives Matter’ Activists Should Protest Planned Parenthood Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/ohio-state-rep-black-lives-matter-activists-should-protest-planned-parenthood/)

Please let us know what you think about his position. Not all democrats live only by and for the (D) after their name

[Guest]

The fetus is not a child until it can survive outside the mother.

I am right - all you reactionary wingnuts are wrong.

Well, how then do you explain some of the botched PP abortions where the "fetus" came out "intact" ... ie the baby was born??

You can't.

[Guest]

JMO, but I find this post to be the most grotesque, blasphemous post I have ever read. I'm hoping you wrote this for shock value only and it is not truly what you feel in your heart because it is so very ugly.

I would challenge you to work, HANDS ON, in an abortion clinic for a few months, then let us know what you think.

Excellent point.

Actually, the PP topic is revealing ... that is, it really shows the sickening depravity of the liberal civic religion run amok. Time to start putting some of the PP people into jail for selling body parts and, in some case, infanticide.

[Guest]

I think you are in for a surprise. I don't think your emperor will be able to do a whole lot after that Democrat from OH gets done with PP. He is black and he is advocating that blacks demonstrate in front of PP with the theme "black lives matter" because there were more black aborted lives last year than black babies born. I am interested to see if he gets media coverage.

Interesting that the "Black Lives Matter" leadership is apparently too f'ing stupid to realize PP is conducting genocide upon the black race. More black babies die in one day due to PP than all the redneck lynchings since the Civil War.

Stupid .. .just plain stupid.

[Guest]

Interesting that the "Black Lives Matter" leadership is apparently too f'ing stupid to realize PP is conducting genocide upon the black race. More black babies die in one day due to PP than all the redneck lynchings since the Civil War.

Stupid .. .just plain stupid.

Actually, in New York City in 2011 more blacks were aborted than born.

24,758 born

31,328 aborted

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/vs-pregnancy-outcomes-2012.pdf

[Guest]

Interesting that the "Black Lives Matter" leadership is apparently too f'ing stupid to realize PP is conducting genocide upon the black race. More black babies die in one day due to PP than all the redneck lynchings since the Civil War.

Stupid .. .just plain stupid.

"Black Lives Matter" is a POLITICAL organization and we are diluting ourselves to think otherwise.

What we need is a study of the entire criminal justice system without the color designation, or if you insist on the race part, speak the statistics of black on black and black on white. You need context.

But, make no mistake, this is another organization that the Soros folks come up with....see ACORN....disguised as doing good.

[Guest]

A comment of interest came out in one of the many discussions today about Planned Parenthood....it was in the form of a question that did not get answered.....what about the number of "girl" abortions that are planned by these people for those who want male children?

This issue will continue to evolve as the onion is peeled fback.

The WH made a very stupid, very pre-mature statement today by stating that Obama will veto anything put in front of him that defunds Planned Parenthood.

Even if that is what he had in mind it was very stupid of him to jump out in front of this subject before he has all the facts......he has plenty of time to wait and see where or what it deveops into.....when it is about a subject or person or organization or notion that he supports he could care less what anybody else....like we the people.....again he could just keep his racist, prejudiced big mouth shut and play it out alternatively.......but then he wouldn't be struttin' his stuff.....stupid self centered person.

[Guest]

A comment of interest came out in one of the many discussions today about Planned Parenthood....it was in the form of a question that did not get answered.....what about the number of "girl" abortions that are planned by these people for those who want male children?

This issue will continue to evolve as the onion is peeled fback.

The WH made a very stupid, very pre-mature statement today by stating that Obama will veto anything put in front of him that defunds Planned Parenthood.

Even if that is what he had in mind it was very stupid of him to jump out in front of this subject before he has all the facts......he has plenty of time to wait and see where or what it deveops into.....when it is about a subject or person or organization or notion that he supports he could care less what anybody else....like we the people.....again he could just keep his racist:ohdear::ohdear:, prejudiced big mouth shut:popcorn: and play it out alternatively.......but then he wouldn't be struttin' his stuff.....stupid self centered perso:ohdear:n.

Aww, don't sugarcoat your feelin's for us, darlin'. Tell us what really be on your narrow and bigoted mind. :1rotfl: Yes, you be a laffin' stock mongst yo people. Have 'nother drink of your XXX Kool-Aid, darlin'.

[Guest]

Maybe off point but planned parenthood seems to be involved after the fact of impregnation. The sperm bearer seems to walk away from the act without guilt or responsibility. If churches and society both made it clear that you are creating a human being and are responsible for the consequence of that act. Contraception prevents the need for the unintended consequences of abortion. I imagine the women bears the guilt, the man walks away unscathed.

[Guest]

Aww, don't sugarcoat your feelin's for us, darlin'. Tell us what really be on your narrow and bigoted mind. :1rotfl: Yes, you be a laffin' stock mongst yo people. Have 'nother drink of your XXX Kool-Aid, darlin'.

This same man posts on TOPIX using the name JOHN and emits this same racial garbage.

How can you be so racist and immature ?

I got a call awhile back from up north. A friend of mine who enjoys sort of looking in here and on TOPIX just for kicks. He swears he knows who this guy is..but I am not sure but to lay our your racial bias like this takes guts.

[Guest]

A comment of interest came out in one of the many discussions today about Planned Parenthood....it was in the form of a question that did not get answered.....what about the number of "girl" abortions that are planned by these people for those who want male children?

This issue will continue to evolve as the onion is peeled fback.

The WH made a very stupid, very pre-mature statement today by stating that Obama will veto anything put in front of him that defunds Planned Parenthood.

Even if that is what he had in mind it was very stupid of him to jump out in front of this subject before he has all the facts......he has plenty of time to wait and see where or what it deveops into.....when it is about a subject or person or organization or notion that he supports he could care less what anybody else....like we the people.....again he could just keep his racist, prejudiced big mouth shut and play it out alternatively.......but then he wouldn't be struttin' his stuff.....stupid self centered person.

In watching Josh Earnest today, he was very dismissive but it was nice to see him being pushed a bit by the media or at least some of them

[Guest]

Maybe off point but planned parenthood seems to be involved after the fact of impregnation. The sperm bearer seems to walk away from the act without guilt or responsibility. If churches and society both made it clear that you are creating a human being and are responsible for the consequence of that act. Contraception prevents the need for the unintended consequences of abortion. I imagine the women bears the guilt, the man walks away unscathed.

This is a good argument for more Planned Parenthoods...more education, more contraception, more HIV testing, more cancer screenings, etc. Planned Parenthood has been around for 99 years and in a lot of places is the only health care available to women, men and children.

[Guest]

This same man posts on TOPIX using the name JOHN and emits this same racial garbage.

How can you be so racist and immature ?

I got a call awhile back from up north. A friend of mine who enjoys sort of looking in here and on TOPIX just for kicks. He swears he knows who this guy is..but I am not sure but to lay our your racial bias like this takes guts.

Yep.....I recognized him too. He never has anything of value to say no matter where he posts.

[Guest]

Yep.....I recognized him too. He never has anything of value to say no matter where he posts.

BUT on that board he talks about posters on TOTV and many times by screen name. I have no idea how he knows who posts what, but it keeps him off the streets and entertained.

That forum over there is a source of laughs and entertainment for some buddies up north. They constantly remind me of what is being said over there and find it difficult to believe that I live in the same community as those people.

[Guest]

Hmmmnnnn.....so far no comments from our Democratic posters about Patmon's comments.

How very predictable and disappointing. You are all so very good at snapping back at that which is in opposition to your position!

No talking points out yet how to handle it?

[Guest]

Hmmmnnnn.....so far no comments from our Democratic posters about Patmon's comments.

How very predictable and disappointing. You are all so very good at snapping back at that which is in opposition to your position!

No talking points out yet how to handle it?

Who is Patmon and what are his comments?

[Guest]

Who is Patmon and what are his comments?

Bill Patmon is a democratic legislator in Ohio. He is black and I mention that because his comments make that significant

It is also no wonder you are unaware of what he said and how he feels. You will not find it reported much as is always the case....a Republican mayor in any town gets in trouble it is headlines.

Anyway speaking to this Planned Parenthood...I link you to the entire statement he made....

Ohio Press Mostly Ignores Black Democrat's Inspiring Pro-Life Speech (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2015/07/30/ohio-press-mostly-ignores-black-democrats-inspiring-pro-life-speech)

"you, say, "Well, here you're kind of stridin', aren't you?"

No, not when 5,499 abortions are in Cuyahoga County, which I happen to represent, and 63 percent of them (are done on) black women. 63 percent of them are of a certain hue in their skin. And I would say that's just kind of unheard of.

You hear a lot of demonstrations across the country now about how "Black Lives Matter." Well, they skipped one place. They should be in front of Planned Parenthood. They skipped one place. They should be in front of Planned Parenthood! Black Lives Matter! American Lives Matter!"

[Guest]

Who is Patmon and what are his comments?

Ohio Dem Introduces Bill to Strip Planned Parenthood of State Funding - Cortney O'Brien (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2015/07/30/ohio-dem-introduces-bill-to-strip-planned-parenthood-of-state-funding-n2032425)

Just goes to show how selective the main stream media is about what it reports and does NOT. Couldn't find one article on any of their websites.

[Guest]

If you check post 40, you will find more data on this subject.

More blacks aborted than born in NYC in 2011

[Guest]

Aww, don't sugarcoat your feelin's for us, darlin'. Tell us what really be on your narrow and bigoted mind. :1rotfl: Yes, you be a laffin' stock mongst yo people. Have 'nother drink of your XXX Kool-Aid, darlin'.

You are apparently too stupid, and bigoted, to realize abortion impacts the people most whose manner of speech you mock ... PPPA is a black baby killing machine.

[Guest]

PPPA is a black baby killing machine.

You make it sound as though Planned Parenthood rounds up pregnant black women, marches them into an operating room, and forces abortions without the consent of the mother.

All abortions are voluntary.

Can you explain the reasoning as to why so many conservatives are against any abortions (which would result in larger poor single parent households) while still voting to cut programs that would aid dependent children and cut food stamps?

[Guest]

A comment of interest came out in one of the many discussions today about Planned Parenthood....it was in the form of a question that did not get answered.....what about the number of "girl" abortions that are planned by these people for those who want male children?

This issue will continue to evolve as the onion is peeled fback.

The WH made a very stupid, very pre-mature statement today by stating that Obama will veto anything put in front of him that defunds Planned Parenthood.

Even if that is what he had in mind it was very stupid of him to jump out in front of this subject before he has all the facts......he has plenty of time to wait and see where or what it deveops into.....when it is about a subject or person or organization or notion that he supports he could care less what anybody else....like we the people.....again he could just keep his racist, prejudiced big mouth shut and play it out alternatively.......but then he wouldn't be struttin' his stuff.....stupid self centered person.

Obama is famous for saying stupid and premature things, before learning the facts. Talk about stupid, and not on subject, but just a humorous side note, he said he was a good president and believed he could be re-elected if it was permitted. Once again, the truth does not back his stupid statements. Polls show that even his own party wouldn't back him in a re-election, let alone the rest of the country. He lives in a fantasy world, and is a legend in his own mind. :a20:

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Planned Parenthood, which now seems like a misnomer or oxymoron, is in for trouble now that the black community is starting to wake up to the fact that it has become Planned Genocide. The liberals eyes are going to bleed reading some of the news. But, most liberals stay ignorant of FACTS. They prefer to be fed by the media, all the proper things that someone else feel they should "know."

By the way, if Planned Parenthood is so important to the poor, what is the purpose of Obamacare? It sure isn't making the price of insurance or treatment and cheaper for the rest of us. When are liberals going to finally wake up and become informed, instead of being led around by rings in their noses? But, by all means continue to listen to the idiotic statements of the entertainer-in-chief.

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Planned Parenthood, which now seems like a misnomer or oxymoron, is in for trouble now that the black community is starting to wake up to the fact that it has become Planned Genocide. The liberals eyes are going to bleed reading some of the news. But, most liberals stay ignorant of FACTS. They prefer to be fed by the media, all the proper things that someone else feel they should "know."

By the way, if Planned Parenthood is so important to the poor, what is the purpose of Obamacare? It sure isn't making the price of insurance or treatment any cheaper for the rest of us. When are liberals going to finally wake up and become informed, instead of being led around by rings in their noses? But, by all means continue to listen to the idiotic statements of the entertainer-in-chief.

Didn't catch the mistake "any" before hitting "send."

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You make it sound as though Planned Parenthood rounds up pregnant black women, marches them into an operating room, and forces abortions without the consent of the mother.

All abortions are voluntary.

Can you explain the reasoning as to why so many conservatives are against any abortions (which would result in larger poor single parent households) while still voting to cut programs that would aid dependent children and cut food stamps?

And the reason they don't push them to see the ultra sound prior to killing the unborn IS??? Sounds to me that PP doesn't want them to change their minds.

Question to answer your question: Can you explain the reasoning as to why so many LIBERALS are against executing convicted murderers, while still murdering millions of innocent unborn children? Or, did I just answer my own question? If we executed murderers, then wouldn't we have to execute those working for PP, if they were convicted of killing millions of babies?

By the way, some states a person is convicted of double murder if he/she kills a pregnant woman. How can that be, if the unborn is NOT a living person? Just food for thought.

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You are apparently too stupid, and bigoted, to realize abortion impacts the people most whose manner of speech you mock ... PPPA is a black baby killing machine.

You're arguing with a liberal troll, likely getting paid to agitate, because he is on several different blogs/forums. He uses the same wording mannerisms on all of them, so he is quite obvious. I know folks that have been banned from some blogs, due to responding heatedly to his comments. Responding with legitimate facts drives him crazy and I suspect causes his eyes to bleed. :evil6:

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Who is Patmon and what are his comments?

Apparently you are not following the thread from the beginning or you would have seen the post identifying who he is and a link to what the discussion is all about.

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Apparently you are not following the thread from the beginning or you would have seen the post identifying who he is and a link to what the discussion is all about.

I brought up Patmon in reference to the subject of the thread regarding PP.

I also have empathy for the old lion, but more alarm for the war on the unborn. I say war, because an abortion is an invasion and the killing of the innocent. And since genocide is normally associated with war, I call it the war on children. I can't understand why liberals hate children, kill hundreds of thousands of black unborn children and they still get the black vote, more often than not. Just something to think about.

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I call it the war on children. I can't understand why liberals hate children, kill hundreds of thousands of black unborn children and they still get the black vote, more often than not. Just something to think about.

Yes, you can ask yourself that question OR you can ask yourself the question of:
Since the Republican Party and Tea Party are so concerned about the killing of hundreds of thousands of black unborn children - why don't the black people flock to the ranks of Republicans or Tea Party?

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[QUOTE=Guest;1094194]You're arguing with a liberal troll, likely getting paid to agitate, because he is on several different blogs/forums. He uses the same wording mannerisms on all of them, so he is quite obvious. QUOTE]

You still around? I thoughts you quit this here forum but guess you is still trollin' along. You still a laffin' stock, sweetheart. I gonna be gone for a short while on vacation paid for wit my agitatin money. Back in a week.

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Planned Parenthood, which now seems like a misnomer or oxymoron, is in for trouble now that the black community is starting to wake up to the fact that it has become Planned Genocide. The liberals eyes are going to bleed reading some of the news. But, most liberals stay ignorant of FACTS. They prefer to be fed by the media, all the proper things that someone else feel they should "know."

By the way, if Planned Parenthood is so important to the poor, what is the purpose of Obamacare? It sure isn't making the price of insurance or treatment and cheaper for the rest of us. When are liberals going to finally wake up and become informed, instead of being led around by rings in their noses? But, by all means continue to listen to the idiotic statements of the entertainer-in-chief.


Obamacare is insurance like Medicare or Medicaid. Planned Parenthood is the clinic where people go for treatment. Nobody goes to their insurance office to pick up their prescriptions or have HIV testing done or have cancer screenings done or learn pre-natal care.

Without the Planned Parenthood clinics around the country, almost three million women, men and children would be looking for other facilities for treatment. Could local doctors and hospitals accommodate these additional patients?

In many parts of the country, these Planned Parenthood clinics are the only healthcare facility available.

On Monday, the senate will vote on a stand alone bill to defund Planned Parenthood. Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) said she would vote no because many of her constituents in Maine rely on Planned Parenthood for their healthcare and have no other options.

President Obama spoke out about his support for Planned Parenthood this past week in anticipation of the vote coming in the senate next week. When would posters have him speak out, after the vote is taken?

BTW: Planned Parenthood has been around for 99 years, longer than women have had the right to vote.

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Yes, you can ask yourself that question OR you can ask yourself the question of:
Since the Republican Party and Tea Party are so concerned about the killing of hundreds of thousands of black unborn children - why don't the black people flock to the ranks of Republicans or Tea Party?

I think many of them are simply not that bright and easily manipulated on an emotional basis ... which is why the Democrat party is able to continuously exploit them

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I think many of them are simply not that bright and easily manipulated on an emotional basis ... which is why the Democrat party is able to continuously exploit them

Hit the nail on the head. :thumbup:

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[QUOTE=Guest;1094194]You're arguing with a liberal troll, likely getting paid to agitate, because he is on several different blogs/forums. He uses the same wording mannerisms on all of them, so he is quite obvious. QUOTE]

You still around? I thoughts you quit this here forum but guess you is still trollin' along. You still a laffin' stock, sweetheart. I gonna be gone for a short while on vacation paid for wit my agitatin money. Back in a week.

Oh, someone paying for your lunch? I'm sure you will be back in a few minutes, but just in case.....:wave::wave::wave:

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This is a good argument for more Planned Parenthoods...more education, more contraception, more HIV testing, more cancer screenings, etc. Planned Parenthood has been around for 99 years and in a lot of places is the only health care available to women, men and children.

Ok. Have you ever researched Planned ParentHood, their founder and what the founder stood for.

Margaret Sanger was an infamous bigot and racist, who believed in weeding out the weak by killing babies. Sound familiar to anyone ?

This is one quote of hers...

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

10-Eye-Opening Quotes From Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger | LifeNews.com (http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/)

Suggest you visit and read what this organization was founded on.

I might add that this bigot, racist woman, Margaret Sanger was an idol of one Hillary Clinton.

These are the words of Hillary Clinton on accepting the Sanger award in 2009


"Now, I have to tell you that it was a great privilege when I was told that I would receive this award. I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision. Another of my great friends, Ellen Chesler, is here, who wrote a magnificent biography of Margaret Sanger called Woman of Valor. And when I think about what she did all those years ago in Brooklyn, taking on archetypes, taking on attitudes and accusations flowing from all directions, I am really in awe of her."

Hillary Clinton admired the woman who said

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."

No, this entire operation has become God like, and there is need to replace the group with whatever it takes to assist women's health, but to be "holier than thou" is incredulous.

Then, to be so hypocritical, and the administration is saying the same thing, to suggest these people on the video were "tricked". "Tricked" into what ?

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Yes, you can ask yourself that question OR you can ask yourself the question of:
Since the Republican Party and Tea Party are so concerned about the killing of hundreds of thousands of black unborn children - why don't the black people flock to the ranks of Republicans or Tea Party?

What is the relationship in this question ? What does the killing of black babies have to do with registered voters ?

Do you really believe that blacks know that Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist woman ? Do you think they even care ? Has their leadership even acknowledged any of this ? Again, do you think they care ?

Everytime I hear Rev Sharpton speak of history as relates to race, I just want to scream..he has no clue. He may be the most blatant revisionist historian ever.

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Ok. Have you ever researched Planned ParentHood, their founder and what the founder stood for.

Margaret Sanger was an infamous bigot and racist, who believed in weeding out the weak by killing babies. Sound familiar to anyone ?

This is one quote of hers...

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

10-Eye-Opening Quotes From Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger | LifeNews.com (http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/)

Suggest you visit and read what this organization was founded on.

I might add that this bigot, racist woman, Margaret Sanger was an idol of one Hillary Clinton.

These are the words of Hillary Clinton on accepting the Sanger award in 2009


"Now, I have to tell you that it was a great privilege when I was told that I would receive this award. I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision. Another of my great friends, Ellen Chesler, is here, who wrote a magnificent biography of Margaret Sanger called Woman of Valor. And when I think about what she did all those years ago in Brooklyn, taking on archetypes, taking on attitudes and accusations flowing from all directions, I am really in awe of her."

Hillary Clinton admired the woman who said

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."

No, this entire operation has become God like, and there is need to replace the group with whatever it takes to assist women's health, but to be "holier than thou" is incredulous.

Then, to be so hypocritical, and the administration is saying the same thing, to suggest these people on the video were "tricked". "Tricked" into what ?

At some point, the black population will figure this out. I'm amazed they still haven't. Planned Parenthood is basically conducting a "war on (black) babies" yet no one (Rev Al, Black Lives Matter, etc) seems to be smart enough to object to the obvious.

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""Then, to be so hypocritical, and the administration is saying the same thing, to suggest these people on the video were "tricked". "Tricked" into what ? ""

They were tricked because someone flashed some cash in their faces. They would sell their soul for the right amount. Oh yeah, that's exactly what they are doing, selling their souls. Holy Moley!! Selling body parts and liberals don't think there's anything wrong with it. And they want to investigate the whistle blower. Go figure.

It's as bad as campaigning candidate Obama when he said that perhaps old folks didn't really need a hip replacement. Just give them a pill for the pain. If one is not human until a certain age, what age does a person become nonviable and no longer considered human by the liberals? They already stole over half a trillion bucks from us, from our Medicare to pay for Obamacare.

Yeah, Planned Parenthood was really tricked. The trick was that the offer turned out to be bogus. The trick was that they thought it was a real offer and they thought they would be able to afford a Lamborghini by selling human body parts.

Hey folks, no need for a funeral anymore. Just sell your body parts to the highest bidder, but do it before the liberal sharks take claim of your body.

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This whole business of selling body parts could be eliminated by our feckless congress if they would just vote to repeal the law they passed back in 1993 by an overwhelming majority, 97-3, which allows this practice to continue.

At the very least, the senate will vote on Monday on a stand alone bill to defund Planned Parenthood. Stay tuned.

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This whole business of selling body parts could be eliminated by our feckless congress if they would just vote to repeal the law they passed back in 1993 by an overwhelming majority, 97-3, which allows this practice to continue.

At the very least, the senate will vote on Monday on a stand alone bill to defund Planned Parenthood. Stay tuned.

BUT....and this is always the BUT on all those things that are suggested be handled by congress......THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID HE WILL VETO IT.

Listen, if the bill is not begun in the WH, it stands not much chance of seeing law.

He has said....you will not touch Planned Parenthood, that bastion of racist organizations.

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It still remains that there are only three neo-conservatives posting and reposting to themselves and each other - as if sheer numbers of posts are really going to change the mind of anyone.

The "quotes" of Margaret Sanger are snippets taken out of context by the Live Action group. This is the group that send in actors to create havoc with Planned Parenthood. Those film clips have been edited and recreated to make an interview bogus.

Anyhow, Planned Parenthood is a lot more than abortions. It represents womens health for those who cannot afford a doctor or who cannot get to an affordable doctor.

No amount of edited film clips or snippets of conversational quotes will change the mind of those on the other side. Neither will the same posters just talking trash to each other. It is a free country, though, so do as you wish even though you have been duped by your own bogus history.

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It still remains that there are only three neo-conservatives posting and reposting to themselves and each other - as if sheer numbers of posts are really going to change the mind of anyone.

The "quotes" of Margaret Sanger are snippets taken out of context by the Live Action group. This is the group that send in actors to create havoc with Planned Parenthood. Those film clips have been edited and recreated to make an interview bogus.

Anyhow, Planned Parenthood is a lot more than abortions. It represents womens health for those who cannot afford a doctor or who cannot get to an affordable doctor.

No amount of edited film clips or snippets of conversational quotes will change the mind of those on the other side. Neither will the same posters just talking trash to each other. It is a free country, though, so do as you wish even though you have been duped by your own bogus history.

Not very well informed. The whole unedited video is available on the internet. Ever heard of Google. I also realize that it won't make a difference to some, because they just don't care. But, don't make up statements that you know are not true. The "bogus" is your same old denial of anything negative against liberals. Must be kind of lonely living in denial.

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BUT....and this is always the BUT on all those things that are suggested be handled by congress......THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID HE WILL VETO IT.

Listen, if the bill is not begun in the WH, it stands not much chance of seeing law.

He has said....you will not touch Planned Parenthood, that bastion of racist organizations.

The greatest handicap and obstacle in America is the useless one currently residing in the White House. He has violated his oath of office by voiding the constitution, makes up his own laws contrary to the majority and is as divisive as Sharpton or Jackson. Are the liberals so unhappy with America that they insist on destroying the American way? He can no longer call the Republicans "obstructionists." It will take some time to correct all the damage he is responsible for in his two terms. He has allowed the vocal minority run amok and handicapped the moral majority in America. I realize that it seems like this is unrelated to the thread, but in reality he will be the one that blocks any action against the disgusting PP criminals. Therefore, he is an accessory to millions of deaths in America. And he is suppose to be the champion for the helpless and minority. And in his delusional mind, he thinks he has been a good president. His own words.

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Not very well informed. The whole unedited video is available on the internet. Ever heard of Google. I also realize that it won't make a difference to some, because they just don't care. But, don't make up statements that you know are not true. The "bogus" is your same old denial of anything negative against liberals. Must be kind of lonely living in denial.

It is amazing how you and your fellow conservatives have been suckered by Live Action and other fringe lunatic groups.

It is you that are the deniers of truth.

However, as I said, it is impossible to change a closed mind like yours on such a divisive topic. I just pity you for your gross ignorance. 'Nuff said.

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It is amazing how you and your fellow conservatives have been suckered by Live Action and other fringe lunatic groups.

It is you that are the deniers of truth.

However, as I said, it is impossible to change a closed mind like yours on such a divisive topic. I just pity you for your gross ignorance. 'Nuff said.

We've been "suckered?" "Nuff said" because you have no facts to support your premise that it was us that have been "suckered" and not yourself. You deny facts as conservative conspiracy. How funny, if not sad. We show you undeniable facts and evidence and you counter with innuendos and theory. I applaud your misplaced loyalty to those that have con'd you by defending themselves with accusations of being unjustly persecuted, but the facts are overwhelming. Any intelligent person with even the slightest bit of common sense would surely see the truth. But, it is kind of hard to bite the hand that feeds you, right? Self reliance starts out as a difficult process, and liberal leaders exploit that. Better to be self sufficient and lead than to be dependent and forced to follow. Closed minds?? When's the last time you examined yourself in the mirror? My whole family were Democrats when Democrats were Democratic and some were still conservative also. Those days are long past, because your party (sure you say you are Independent) has gone ultra left where socialism even looks moderate. I have always said that I would vote for a Democrat if he/she was the better of the two candidates. I have yet to find one that I could in good conscience vote for in past elections.
CLOSED MINDS??? Give it a break. Tell me where I am wrong on the issue instead of calling names and blaming Bush.

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The greatest handicap and obstacle in America is the useless one currently residing in the White House. He has violated his oath of office by voiding the constitution, makes up his own laws contrary to the majority and is as divisive as Sharpton or Jackson. Are the liberals so unhappy with America that they insist on destroying the American way? He can no longer call the Republicans "obstructionists." It will take some time to correct all the damage he is responsible for in his two terms. He has allowed the vocal minority run amok and handicapped the moral majority in America. I realize that it seems like this is unrelated to the thread, but in reality he will be the one that blocks any action against the disgusting PP criminals. Therefore, he is an accessory to millions of deaths in America. And he is suppose to be the champion for the helpless and minority. And in his delusional mind, he thinks he has been a good president. His own words.
The last six years must feel like you are serving a sentence.

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It is amazing how you and your fellow conservatives have been suckered by Live Action and other fringe lunatic groups.

It is you that are the deniers of truth.

However, as I said, it is impossible to change a closed mind like yours on such a divisive topic. I just pity you for your gross ignorance. 'Nuff said.

Not sure what context you want...very simply using Wiki, and of course that will not work for you so I strongly suggest reading one of the number of books about here, or just read history.


First, she was an anarchist.....

" Sanger, collaborating with anarchist friends, popularized the term "birth control" as a more candid alternative to euphemisms such as "family limitation"[ as "family limitation"[

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

I have no doubt her heart was true and her purpose well intended but to deny her politics is silly.

Then I suggest you do more reading and I think you will find her attitude to minorities and those she considered second class citizens, like aborigines, was demeaning. This is not made up.

I then remind you that she was greatly admired and idolized by one Hillary Clinton. Ms Clinton does make a habit of admiring anarchists (see Sanger, Alinsky a a number of others)

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The last six years must feel like you are serving a sentence.

Actually, the last six years have been quite an education for me, and a warning as to "what can happen"

When our President was elected, I worried not that much. I had confidence in what our founding fathers had put together. Three branches of government with mant checks and balances.

I never in my wildest dreams considered how a President and a leader of the senate could take over the country. See how the Affordable Care Act was ramrod dead through, manipulating the congress to pass costly and far reaching legislation without consultation, not only with the opposition, but with his own party and to pass it without reading.

I never even considered his race to be a factor, nor felt he would use the bully pulpit to support criminal activity in the name of racial justice. To ignore the law and make Herod of criminals, along with diminishing respect for those who are sworn to uphold the law he ignores.

These are two huge social impacts I could not imagine, but am certainly aware of now.

I read of his training and background but worried not, until he and Harry Reid showed us how to manipulate the congress in unintended ways.

I never felt any President would simply ignore the law of the land. I felt he would need to at least speak to congress on laws, but it appears that you do not need to do that.

While I knew he was a great politician, so many great politicians before him, left that part behind them and became statesman. He has shown that in your face pure politics can be done,at a severe price but it can be done.

No, the last six years have shown me that perhaps the background is important and that trusting someone who "sells"hope can turn out so wrong.

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Not sure what context you want...very simply using Wiki, and of course that will not work for you so I strongly suggest reading one of the number of books about here, or just read history.


First, she was an anarchist.....

" Sanger, collaborating with anarchist friends, popularized the term "birth control" as a more candid alternative to euphemisms such as "family limitation"[ as "family limitation"[

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

I have no doubt her heart was true and her purpose well intended but to deny her politics is silly.

Then I suggest you do more reading and I think you will find her attitude to minorities and those she considered second class citizens, like aborigines, was demeaning. This is not made up.

I then remind you that she was greatly admired and idolized by one Hillary Clinton. Ms Clinton does make a habit of admiring anarchists (see Sanger, Alinsky a a number of others)

Good post

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Actually, the last six years have been quite an education for me, and a warning as to "what can happen"

When our President was elected, I worried not that much. I had confidence in what our founding fathers had put together. Three branches of government with mant checks and balances.

I never in my wildest dreams considered how a President and a leader of the senate could take over the country. See how the Affordable Care Act was ramrod dead through, manipulating the congress to pass costly and far reaching legislation without consultation, not only with the opposition, but with his own party and to pass it without reading.

I never even considered his race to be a factor, nor felt he would use the bully pulpit to support criminal activity in the name of racial justice. To ignore the law and make Herod of criminals, along with diminishing respect for those who are sworn to uphold the law he ignores.

These are two huge social impacts I could not imagine, but am certainly aware of now.

I read of his training and background but worried not, until he and Harry Reid showed us how to manipulate the congress in unintended ways.

I never felt any President would simply ignore the law of the land. I felt he would need to at least speak to congress on laws, but it appears that you do not need to do that.

While I knew he was a great politician, so many great politicians before him, left that part behind them and became statesman. He has shown that in your face pure politics can be done,at a severe price but it can be done.

No, the last six years have shown me that perhaps the background is important and that trusting someone who "sells"hope can turn out so wrong.

Excellent

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The last six years must feel like you are serving a sentence.

Nope, I'm doing great, in spite of liberal tyranny. And I can honestly say that not one thing this administration has done in the past 5+ years is responsible for it. How about you? :popcorn:

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Nope, I'm doing great, in spite of liberal tyranny. And I can honestly say that not one thing this administration has done in the past 5+ years is responsible for it. How about you? [emoji14]opcorn:


I made it through Carter, and I made it through W. So I guess I could say that I'm feelin alright. Thanks.

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I made it through Carter, and I made it through W. So I guess I could say that I'm feelin alright. Thanks.

At the age of most posters on here, I can see that,

It is your children and grandchildren that are and have been "thrown under the bus" both in terms of law and economics.

Carter and Bush made mistakes that Presidents make, albeit depending on how you feel, relatively worse.

President Obama has struck at the very fiber of the country, the very thing that ALL parties should honor....the rule of law....the rule of advise and consent.

THAT is not going to go away quickly......

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At the age of most posters on here, I can see that,

It is your children and grandchildren that are and have been "thrown under the bus" both in terms of law and economics.

Carter and Bush made mistakes that Presidents make, albeit depending on how you feel, relatively worse.

President Obama has struck at the very fiber of the country, the very thing that ALL parties should honor....the rule of law....the rule of advise and consent.

THAT is not going to go away quickly......


Adding to that, he has sadly, NOT helped the racial divide nor the economic divide. He has, in fact, set both of those problems back many many years.

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Making it through or surviving one president or another is poetic commentary (not intended to be negative).

To me the issue is the state of the country as a result of a given president. And for that Obama has done more harm to this country than any president in modern times.

Ignores the law of the land and the constitution to further his agenda.
Has created racial havoc and set back the gains against racism many, many years.
He has emasulated the US military.
He has made the USA a laughing matter in the rest of the world.
He has allowed the immigration sunami to grow and severly burden our economy.
He has made deals with the enemies of the USA to further his agenda.
He has no concept of leadership and has abandoned the frontline leadership of the military.

He is a phony in your face, egomaniac racist of the highest order.

[Guest]

Not sure what context you want...very simply using Wiki, and of course that will not work for you so I strongly suggest reading one of the number of books about here, or just read history.


First, she was an anarchist.....

" Sanger, collaborating with anarchist friends, popularized the term "birth control" as a more candid alternative to euphemisms such as "family limitation"[ as "family limitation"[

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

I have no doubt her heart was true and her purpose well intended but to deny her politics is silly.

Then I suggest you do more reading and I think you will find her attitude to minorities and those she considered second class citizens, like aborigines, was demeaning. This is not made up.

I then remind you that she was greatly admired and idolized by one Hillary Clinton. Ms Clinton does make a habit of admiring anarchists (see Sanger, Alinsky a a number of others)

Margaret Sanger died in 1966. Does anyone on this forum believe that attitudes toward birth control have changed in the past 50 years.

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Margaret Sanger died in 1966. Does anyone on this forum believe that attitudes toward birth control have changed in the past 50 years.

Of course it has changed, but to hold up Planned Parenthood as the goodness of all goodness is just plain silly when it was founded, yes..I agree to help many women, but founded in racism and belittling of those less forunate.

To then after all the platitudes thrown their way when those videos show clearly and I am speaking of the unvarnished videos, that the organization feels, as so many seem to feel, above the law. How callous and uncaring for human life they have become.

To know the statistics and to know that one of Sanger's goals was to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies and not kill unborn for the reason it is being done today. She was an anarchist with racial attitude but I think she seriously wanted to help those who find themselves in this situation.

I DO NOT THINK her intent was to foster free sex, in fact she wanted to have a rule for the number of babies you could have when married, nor was it to make some cash on the part of those killed.

BUT then to hear the hypocrisy of those who "fight" for civil rights, who fight against those who feel our society is flawed and this surge in abortions is a result of it, talk as if the killing of black babies was not overwhelming, talk as if Sanger was some kind of saint (see Hilary Clinton comments). For those same folks who bring up PAST AND GONE eras of severe racism and ignore or pretend this organization is not implicit in the same things TODAY, is just sheer hypocrisy.

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Of course it has changed, but to hold up Planned Parenthood as the goodness of all goodness is just plain silly when it was founded, yes..I agree to help many women, but founded in racism and belittling of those less forunate.

To then after all the platitudes thrown their way when those videos show clearly and I am speaking of the unvarnished videos, that the organization feels, as so many seem to feel, above the law. How callous and uncaring for human life they have become.

To know the statistics and to know that one of Sanger's goals was to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies and not kill unborn for the reason it is being done today. She was an anarchist with racial attitude but I think she seriously wanted to help those who find themselves in this situation.

I DO NOT THINK her intent was to foster free sex, in fact she wanted to have a rule for the number of babies you could have when married, nor was it to make some cash on the part of those killed.

BUT then to hear the hypocrisy of those who "fight" for civil rights, who fight against those who feel our society is flawed and this surge in abortions is a result of it, talk as if the killing of black babies was not overwhelming, talk as if Sanger was some kind of saint (see Hilary Clinton comments). For those same folks who bring up PAST AND GONE eras of severe racism and ignore or pretend this organization is not implicit in the same things TODAY, is just sheer hypocrisy.

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When 93% of the abortions are due to inconvenience, not necessity then that's immoral by anyone's standards. Less than 1% are done because of medical, rape or incest. Maybe we need to readdress the difficulty of adoption procedures and we could give the lazy mothers-to-be another option.

But, the issue today is the abhorrent issue of selling human body parts. By law we can't do anything about stopping the abortions, but we can stop the disgusting selling of body parts. Next thing you know, women will be getting paid to get pregnant in order to abort so that someone can have their baby for body parts. That saves the lazy ones that sell their newly born babies, the time of the pregnancy.

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There are 10 pages with 93 posts concerning this topic it should be clear to anyone by now that those defending Planned Parenthood are doing so primarily because if they are truthful about Planned Parenthood's major breach of medical ethics then they know it will be the beginning of the end to abortion...and that frightens liberals a lot. what Planned Parenthood did and are probably still doing should be investigated for its criminality but it won't because liberals with assist from the liberal media circle their wagons to protect bad actors, and bad behavior not only continues but is encouraged...and so America's march toward total moral anarchy continues.

Personal Best Regards:

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There are 10 pages with 93 posts concerning this topic it should be clear to anyone by now that those defending Planned Parenthood are doing so primarily because if they are truthful about Planned Parenthood's major breach of medical ethics then they know it will be the beginning of the end to abortion...and that frightens liberals a lot. what Planned Parenthood did and are probably still doing should be investigated for its criminality but it won't because liberals with assist from the liberal media circle their wagons to protect bad actors, and bad behavior not only continues but is encouraged...and so America's march toward total moral anarchy continues.

Personal Best Regards:

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There are 10 pages with 93 posts concerning this topic it should be clear to anyone by now that those defending Planned Parenthood are doing so primarily because if they are truthful about Planned Parenthood's major breach of medical ethics then they know it will be the beginning of the end to abortion...and that frightens liberals a lot. what Planned Parenthood did and are probably still doing should be investigated for its criminality but it won't because liberals with assist from the liberal media circle their wagons to protect bad actors, and bad behavior not only continues but is encouraged...and so America's march toward total moral anarchy continues.

Personal Best Regards:

And in those 10 pages and 93 posts, those bashing Planned Parenthood are just 4 neo-conservative posters talking back and forth while gathering as many lies and half truths from Breibart, Live Action, and other wackos.

If you would like to go back to the rat poison, coat hanger, and motel rooms before legal abortions in clean safe clinics, there is something wrong with you.

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And in those 10 pages and 93 posts, those bashing Planned Parenthood are just 4 neo-conservative posters talking back and forth while gathering as many lies and half truths from Breibart, Live Action, and other wackos.

If you would like to go back to the rat poison, coat hanger, and motel rooms before legal abortions in clean safe clinics, there is something wrong with you.

1. Please allow us how you know who posters are in order to make your accusation

2. Please copy and paste or reference by post numbers the lies being told.

Thank you.

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And in those 10 pages and 93 posts, those bashing Planned Parenthood are just 4 neo-conservative posters talking back and forth while gathering as many lies and half truths from Breibart, Live Action, and other wackos.

If you would like to go back to the rat poison, coat hanger, and motel rooms before legal abortions in clean safe clinics, there is something wrong with you.

Serious allegations and accusations.

Hope you are able to back them up as challenged.

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And in those 10 pages and 93 posts, those bashing Planned Parenthood are just 4 neo-conservative posters talking back and forth while gathering as many lies and half truths from Breibart, Live Action, and other wackos.

If you would like to go back to the rat poison, coat hanger, and motel rooms before legal abortions in clean safe clinics, there is something wrong with you.

I'm pretty sure that you are wrong about your assumption of only 4.

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There are 10 pages with 93 posts concerning this topic it should be clear to anyone by now that those defending Planned Parenthood are doing so primarily because if they are truthful about Planned Parenthood's major breach of medical ethics then they know it will be the beginning of the end to abortion...and that frightens liberals a lot. what Planned Parenthood did and are probably still doing should be investigated for its criminality but it won't because liberals with assist from the liberal media circle their wagons to protect bad actors, and bad behavior not only continues but is encouraged...and so America's march toward total moral anarchy continues.

Personal Best Regards:


What Planned Parenthood is doing is allowed by a law passed by the senate in 1993 by an overwhelming majority of 97-3. It will be interesting to see tomorrow how Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell condemns this law which he voted for in 1993 and puts a stand-alone bill on the floor of the senate which will strip almost three million people of their healthcare. Stay tuned.

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I'm pretty sure that you are wrong about your assumption of only 4.

We will see when the accuser backs up both of his accusations and hopefully he/she will do that.

Not cool to simply make serious charges.

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What Planned Parenthood is doing is allowed by a law passed by the senate in 1993 by an overwhelming majority of 97-3. It will be interesting to see tomorrow how Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell condemns this law which he voted for in 1993 and puts a stand-alone bill on the floor of the senate which will strip almost three million people of their healthcare. Stay tuned.

First point...

"In 1993, a law pertaining to federally funded NIH research was enacted that allows donation of fetal tissue from induced abortions if certain criteria are met. These include that the woman donating is not aware of the recipients of the tissue, and that the abortion timing, procedures or method itself would not be altered for the sole purpose of obtaining the tissue."

I am not a doctor nor any kind of expert but after reviewing the law and then the videos hearing how they will adjust the operation when doing the abortion to maintain certain tissues...how do you resolve that with "and that the abortion timing, procedures or method itself would not be altered for the sole purpose of obtaining the tissue."[/B]

THAT alone seems to be a violation.

and secondly.....

I am not hearing, but can stand corrected, ANY MOVEMENT TO REMOVE HEALTHCARE from anyone. Only that the law be upheld reading abortions and that funding be stopped until something is done.

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We will see when the accuser backs up both of his accusations and hopefully he/she will do that.

Not cool to simply make serious charges.

Serious charges??? Get real. If you can prove that it is not 4, do so. If you cannot prove it - you are wrong. I see no sense in trying to satisfy a neo-conservative.

Now, as the real issue - do you want to see abortions made illegal in the US so that they would be done like in the pre-legal times in unsanitary conditions where the mother was likely to have massive infections, etc?

That is the real issue and not the number of posters talking among themselves. Grow up and make the forum what it is supposed to be.

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First point...

"In 1993, a law pertaining to federally funded NIH research was enacted that allows donation of fetal tissue from induced abortions if certain criteria are met. These include that the woman donating is not aware of the recipients of the tissue, and that the abortion timing, procedures or method itself would not be altered for the sole purpose of obtaining the tissue."

I am not a doctor nor any kind of expert but after reviewing the law and then the videos hearing how they will adjust the operation when doing the abortion to maintain certain tissues...how do you resolve that with "and that the abortion timing, procedures or method itself would not be altered for the sole purpose of obtaining the tissue."[/B]

THAT alone seems to be a violation.

and secondly.....

I am not hearing, but can stand corrected, ANY MOVEMENT TO REMOVE HEALTHCARE from anyone. Only that the law be upheld reading abortions and that funding be stopped until something is done.



Senate to Vote as Soon as Monday on Defunding Planned Parenthood - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764)

The vote tomorrow is to defund Planned Parenthood. If PP is forced to close because of lack of funding, millions of people will lost their health care.

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Serious charges??? Get real. If you can prove that it is not 4, do so. If you cannot prove it - you are wrong. I see no sense in trying to satisfy a neo-conservative.

Now, as the real issue - do you want to see abortions made illegal in the US so that they would be done like in the pre-legal times in unsanitary conditions where the mother was likely to have massive infections, etc?

That is the real issue and not the number of posters talking among themselves. Grow up and make the forum what it is supposed to be.

First, I then assume that the accusation, not supported, of lying is ok with you ?

And I heard nothing from anyone to support your statement about the pre legal times...like with Iran...it is this deal or war.....no, theire is a law...why should they not be called to obey it ? and remember this is not this organizations first rodeo.

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What Planned Parenthood is doing is allowed by a law passed by the senate in 1993 by an overwhelming majority of 97-3. It will be interesting to see tomorrow how Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell condemns this law which he voted for in 1993 and puts a stand-alone bill on the floor of the senate which will strip almost three million people of their healthcare. Stay tuned.

Slavery was backed up by constitutional law also, until someone changed it. I bet a change will be easier to make once it is revealed how many black unborn children are murdered every year. Would you like to put a wager on it?

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Senate to Vote as Soon as Monday on Defunding Planned Parenthood - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764)

The vote tomorrow is to defund Planned Parenthood. If PP is forced to close because of lack of funding, millions of people will lost their health care.

Not according to PP. According to them, the gov subsidy is only a portion of their funding. Millions people lost their health insurance due to Obamacare also. But, supposedly EVERYONE has insurance now, or they have to pay a fine.
Do I sympathize with the PP criminals? I don't think so. They refuse to quit doing abortions in order to keep gov funding. On top of that they sell the body parts!! Sick. UN-American! Disgusting! Criminal!

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First, I then assume that the accusation, not supported, of lying is ok with you ?

And I heard nothing from anyone to support your statement about the pre legal times...like with Iran...it is this deal or war.....no, theire is a law...why should they not be called to obey it ? and remember this is not this organizations first rodeo.

Exactly. With liberals it is always one extreme or another. And yet, they always scream about compromise. It is obvious that they don't know the definition of the word. We can thank the Pelosi, Reid and Obama radicals for that. Too bad they weren't aborted.

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Serious charges??? Get real. If you can prove that it is not 4, do so. If you cannot prove it - you are wrong. I see no sense in trying to satisfy a neo-conservative.

Now, as the real issue - do you want to see abortions made illegal in the US so that they would be done like in the pre-legal times in unsanitary conditions where the mother was likely to have massive infections, etc?

That is the real issue and not the number of posters talking among themselves. Grow up and make the forum what it is supposed to be.

You make an accusation that there are only four(4) posters on here and then when someone disagrees, you tell them to prove it? Are you kidding? That is juvenile. That's like saying "the sky is green, prove it's not." You do realize how silly that is, right?

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Serious charges??? Get real. If you can prove that it is not 4, do so. If you cannot prove it - you are wrong. I see no sense in trying to satisfy a neo-conservative.

Now, as the real issue - do you want to see abortions made illegal in the US so that they would be done like in the pre-legal times in unsanitary conditions where the mother was likely to have massive infections, etc?

That is the real issue and not the number of posters talking among themselves. Grow up and make the forum what it is supposed to be.

The real issue is that the new law has allowed the abortion business to grow way, WAY beyond the intended safe abortion for the few who pursued it.

It is a matter of fact matter of convenience including the discrimination of aborting depending whether the fetus is male or female.

It has become the back stop birth control method that Planned Parenthood, federally funded has exploited to being not only unlawful but immoral.

So go stick up for those who prior to the law now be treated safely and for the other 80% that are using that same law for convenience and butchering.....you should be as outraged as the rest of us......you can only make that distinction if you are capable of setting your politics aside and search your moral ethical side.

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And in those 10 pages and 93 posts, those bashing Planned Parenthood are just 4 neo-conservative posters talking back and forth while gathering as many lies and half truths from Breibart, Live Action, and other wackos.

If you would like to go back to the rat poison, coat hanger, and motel rooms before legal abortions in clean safe clinics, there is something wrong with you.

What's that got to do with selling body parts? How about I counter that with saying you hate children because you want to murder them? That is the same extreme talk that comes from stupid loonie like Pelosi and Reid, not mention the liar-in-chief. Defunding PP would not ban abortions. Do you think they are the only baby killers in the market?

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What Planned Parenthood is doing is allowed by a law passed by the senate in 1993 by an overwhelming majority of 97-3. It will be interesting to see tomorrow how Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell condemns this law which he voted for in 1993 and puts a stand-alone bill on the floor of the senate which will strip almost three million people of their healthcare. Stay tuned.

Would you mind referencing that law that was passed in 1993 that legalized selling aborted baby parts. I would like to read it before contacting my representatives. Thank you.

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What's that got to do with selling body parts? How about I counter that with saying you hate children because you want to murder them? That is the same extreme talk that comes from stupid loonie like Pelosi and Reid, not mention the liar-in-chief. Defunding PP would not ban abortions. Do you think they are the only baby killers in the market?


Stupid loonie and liar- in chief. Too much talk radio.

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Serious charges??? Get real. If you can prove that it is not 4, do so. If you cannot prove it - you are wrong. I see no sense in trying to satisfy a neo-conservative.


ne·o·con·serv·a·tive
ˌnēōkənˈsərvədiv/
adjective
adjective: neoconservative; adjective: neo-conservative

1. relating to or denoting a return to a modified form of a traditional viewpoint, in particular a political ideology characterized by an emphasis on free-market capitalism and an interventionist foreign policy.

noun
noun: neoconservative; plural noun: neoconservatives; noun: neo-conservative; plural noun: neo-conservatives

1. a person with neoconservative views.

Did you intend the label as a slur?

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Stupid loonie and liar- in chief. Too much talk radio.

Your smart and infantile remark means that you agree with allowing them to break the law ? You agree that people on here are lying about Planned Parenthood but cannot or will not bring any validation to that accusation ? You agree that the claim of only 4 people posting on here but disavow anyway you could know that ?

Not sure how adults revert back to that grade school talk but guess it is in lieu of having NOTHING else to offer that even gets close to the subject matter.

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WOW,,,,

LIAR....4 POSING AS ?....NEO CONSERVATIVE....LOONIE...LIAR IN CHIEF...

Conversation is certainly high brow

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Stupid loonie and liar- in chief. Too much talk radio.

Never listen to talk radio. Don't listen to radio, period.

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Would you mind referencing that law that was passed in 1993 that legalized selling aborted baby parts. I would like to read it before contacting my representatives. Thank you.

U.S.C. Title 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title42/html/USCODE-2010-title42-chap6A-subchapII-partH-sec274e.htm)

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Your smart and infantile remark means that you agree with allowing them to break the law ? You agree that people on here are lying about Planned Parenthood but cannot or will not bring any validation to that accusation ? You agree that the claim of only 4 people posting on here but disavow anyway you could know that ?

Not sure how adults revert back to that grade school talk but guess it is in lieu of having NOTHING else to offer that even gets close to the subject matter.

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[Guest]

We will see when the accuser backs up both of his accusations and hopefully he/she will do that.

Not cool to simply make serious charges.

:agree:

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U.S.C. Title 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title42/html/USCODE-2010-title42-chap6A-subchapII-partH-sec274e.htm)

The way I read it, and correct me if I am mistaken, one cannot sell human body parts to purchase a Lamborghini. And the way I also interpret the law, it specifically mentions for human transplant. I believe you would have to take a bit of liberal leeway so-to-speak, to loosely interpret this to relate to this practice of trafficking in human body parts. Just because one dies does not automatically put them on the donor list. If that was the way it works, then anyone passing away in a hospital could be dismantled and used as a donor. I would hazard a guess that if any of these women were asked if they wished to have a special operation on them so as not to damage the baby body parts so that they could be used for sale to the highest bidder, they would decline. Just a guess, but it would probably be a safe wager.

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And I heard nothing from anyone to support your statement about the pre legal times...like with Iran...it is this deal or war.....no, theire is a law...why should they not be called to obey it ? and remember this is not this organizations first rodeo.

What the heck are you talking about? Iran has something to do with legal abortions? You smoking something that is not legal in Florida?

You have never heard the horror experiences of young ladies before abortion became legal. It was sometimes done by "health care workers" in cheap motel rooms and involved rat poison and coat hangers. Very common for massive infections to set in and lots of deaths, too.

Some women went to Sweden for an abortion. It was legal there but illegal for Americans to have it done there by American law.

Do you want to go back to times like that?

And you wonder why women flock to the Democrat candidates.

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What the heck are you talking about? Iran has something to do with legal abortions? You smoking something that is not legal in Florida?

You have never heard the horror experiences of young ladies before abortion became legal. It was sometimes done by "health care workers" in cheap motel rooms and involved rat poison and coat hangers. Very common for massive infections to set in and lots of deaths, too.

Some women went to Sweden for an abortion. It was legal there but illegal for Americans to have it done there by American law.

Do you want to go back to times like that?

And you wonder why women flock to the Democrat candidates.

You are kidding right? Let me get this right. You think that defunding PP because of their violations, will make abortions illegal? How did you come up with that. Are you saying that if PP is not allowed to sell human body parts, then Republicans hate women? Dude, get a grip. chilout

[Guest]

What the heck are you talking about? Iran has something to do with legal abortions? You smoking something that is not legal in Florida?

You have never heard the horror experiences of young ladies before abortion became legal. It was sometimes done by "health care workers" in cheap motel rooms and involved rat poison and coat hangers. Very common for massive infections to set in and lots of deaths, too.

Some women went to Sweden for an abortion. It was legal there but illegal for Americans to have it done there by American law.

Do you want to go back to times like that?

And you wonder why women flock to the Democrat candidates.

Some only read or hear what they want.

Let me make it clearer

Iran deal has NOTHING to do with abortion. Ok?

Point was that this kind of argument is becoming the norm, FOR EXAMPLE...it is either this deal or war. No in between, no discussion, that's it. You are presenting this issue that has many upset as....Planned Parenthood or back to the side streets. NOBODY HAS SAID OR EVEN SUGGESTED THAT.

Herein, is the problem today in many issues. No middle ground...it is my way or some extreme that is TOTALLY MADE UP.

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You are kidding right? Let me get this right. You think that defunding PP because of their violations, will make abortions illegal? How did you come up with that. Are you saying that if PP is not allowed to sell human body parts, then Republicans hate women? Dude, get a grip. chilout

Some automatically race to the extreme, and they have no idea what middle ground is or reasonable discussion, and then to top it off they MAKE UP EXTREMES and tell you that is what you believe, no matter how imagined or unrealistic or unsupported.

I suppose that makes them feel right. If you call ALL Republicans racist or some word of THEIR choice, no matter how stupid, it makes them feel better about themselves.

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The way I read it, and correct me if I am mistaken, one cannot sell human body parts to purchase a Lamborghini. And the way I also interpret the law, it specifically mentions for human transplant. I believe you would have to take a bit of liberal leeway so-to-speak, to loosely interpret this to relate to this practice of trafficking in human body parts. Just because one dies does not automatically put them on the donor list. If that was the way it works, then anyone passing away in a hospital could be dismantled and used as a donor. I would hazard a guess that if any of these women were asked if they wished to have a special operation on them so as not to damage the baby body parts so that they could be used for sale to the highest bidder, they would decline. Just a guess, but it would probably be a safe wager.

AND you may NOT adjust the procedure you use to allow for "donations" and I know there was discussions on not crushing the head, and going lower or higher, etc.

[Guest]

Abortions are legal. The practices Planned Parenthood carries out are legal. Planned Parenthood may or may not lose its government funding depending on how the senate votes tomorrow. Those are the facts as we know them.

Nothing irks republicans more than poor people getting health care. 'Who do they think they are?' they ask.

Women are not going back to the bad old days, whatever it takes.

[Guest]

Abortions are legal. The practices Planned Parenthood carries out are legal. Planned Parenthood may or may not lose its government funding depending on how the senate votes tomorrow. Those are the facts as we know them.

Nothing irks republicans more than poor people getting health care. 'Who do they think they are?' they ask.

Women are not going back to the bad old days, whatever it takes.

Your post is a total and complete POLITICAL statement and you really need to do your homework before embarrassing yourself on here or in public.

NOBODY, ANYWHERE,AT ANYTIME proposed anything even resembling your political knee jerk reaction.

[Guest]

Abortions are legal. The practices Planned Parenthood carries out are legal. Planned Parenthood may or may not lose its government funding depending on how the senate votes tomorrow. Those are the facts as we know them.

Nothing irks republicans more than poor people getting health care. 'Who do they think they are?' they ask.

Women are not going back to the bad old days, whatever it takes.

Please get out and get informed...

"For years, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid helped shield Democrats from taking such politically difficult votes, instead forcing Republicans to vote down increases to the minimum wage, paycheck equity and student loan reform proposals.
But now the tables have turned.McConnell (R-Ky.) scheduled the vote not just to satisfy his own socially conservative members, but also to put the squeeze on moderate Democrats."


Read more: Planned Parenthood videos: Senate vote squeezes Dem moderates - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/senate-planned-parenthood-vote-democrats-120876.html#ixzz3hgywsFkJ)

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Abortions are legal. The practices Planned Parenthood carries out are legal. Planned Parenthood may or may not lose its government funding depending on how the senate votes tomorrow. Those are the facts as we know them.

Nothing irks republicans more than poor people getting health care. 'Who do they think they are?' they ask.

Women are not going back to the bad old days, whatever it takes.

Please give me an example of "Nothing irks republicans more than poor people getting health care." You know, getting an abortion on a whim, is not like getting a tooth pulled. If only 1% of abortions are a necessity due to rape, incest or medical reasons, then there's still a heck of a lot of folks getting rid of their babies out of convenience or whim. I want health care for those babies, how about you? Do you hate babies? That is the kind of extreme rhetoric that is coming from you and other liberals. Like many on here have said in previous posts, no one is denying a woman her abortion, even if PP is defunded. Where you get such an idea, must be from Pelosi. It sounds like something she would say. Or, maybe Obama?

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I guess CHI-TOWN went to supper.

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It is getting old, this total distortion of facts and even what the discussion is about.

From one of those nasty Republicans out to harm everyone

"“We need an investigation about whether Planned Parenthood has violated federal law and medical ethics,” Collins told POLITICO. “But, I am concerned about the millions of women who go to Planned Parenthood for cancer screenings and family planning and to immediately cut them off, millions of women would have to find alternative health care providers. I don’t think it’s that easy. It seems to me we need a more targeted approach.”
She and Manchin say they are working on a compromise amendment that would investigate Planned Parenthood but not cut off funding immediately."


Read more: Planned Parenthood videos: Senate vote squeezes Dem moderates - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/senate-planned-parenthood-vote-democrats-120876.html#ixzz3hh4SgKbI)

Pretty far from the presentations on here from people who simply pile on with no facts....but that is easier than actually reading before posting

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Please give me an example of "Nothing irks republicans more than poor people getting health care." You know, getting an abortion on a whim, is not like getting a tooth pulled. If only 1% of abortions are a necessity due to rape, incest or medical reasons, then there's still a heck of a lot of folks getting rid of their babies out of convenience or whim. I want health care for those babies, how about you? Do you hate babies? That is the kind of extreme rhetoric that is coming from you and other liberals. Like many on here have said in previous posts, no one is denying a woman her abortion, even if PP is defunded. Where you get such an idea, must be from Pelosi. It sounds like something she would say. Or, maybe Obama?


How about the republican congress voting close to 60 times to repeal Obamacare, because many of the 19 million effected are moderate or low income people, many of whom have healthcare for the first time.

How about all the republican governors refusing to expand Medicaid, even though the federal government pays most of it the first five years. Who does that effect, the wealthy?

Planned Parenthood provides pre-natal and post-natal care. Cutting government funding to PP will infringe on the availability of that care.

The republican congress has had time to take close to 60 votes on Obamacare, just to show what their priorities are.

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Planned Parenthood gets 40% of it's funding from gov subsidy. And interesting fact is how much some of their top employees make. Quite a bit more than most gov workers, for sure. I guess they better do some salary cutbacks if they are going to have to make 60% of their funding work for them.

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How about the republican congress voting close to 60 times to repeal Obamacare, because many of the 19 million effected are moderate or low income people, many of whom have healthcare for the first time.

How about all the republican governors refusing to expand Medicaid, even though the federal government pays most of it the first five years. Who does that effect, the wealthy?

Planned Parenthood provides pre-natal and post-natal care. Cutting government funding to PP will infringe on the availability of that care.

The republican congress has had time to take close to 60 votes on Obamacare, just to show what their priorities are.

So, Obamacare is for the poor? Then why is health insurance mandatory for the rich? Please don't answer. I believe 26 states refused to expand Medicaid because they would have to increase taxes to pay for it. The gov promised to subsidize it for two years. Use your head, there's better ways than Obamacare. Republican ideas such as the senator from NC tried to introduce were tabled by Reid. He kept around a hundred house passed bills from being voted on in the senate.
There is a big difference between "infringing" and denying. Glad you cut back on that rhetoric. Obamacare is bad for the country so YES the voters wanted it gone. That's why we have a Republican majority in congress, because that was the mandate that the voters wanted. Obamacare is a blight on the economy and the taxpayer.
Where you get the rhetoric of Republicans hating women, children and the poor is just extreme exaggeration.
It's easy for us to say Democrats hate babies because they want to kill them. Is that what you want, because we have evidence by means of abortion, don't we?
Selling body parts is disgusting and I find it interesting that you favor it. PP does this to themselves.
By the way, Obama wanted Obamacare to fail. He wants a socialized medicine system such as Europe has. And I have been to several socialized health care countries, living overseas for years, so don't get me started on how bad they are.

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So, Obamacare is for the poor? Then why is health insurance mandatory for the rich? Please don't answer. I believe 26 states refused to expand Medicaid because they would have to increase taxes to pay for it. The gov promised to subsidize it for two years. Use your head, there's better ways than Obamacare. Republican ideas such as the senator from NC tried to introduce were tabled by Reid. He kept around a hundred house passed bills from being voted on in the senate.
There is a big difference between "infringing" and denying. Glad you cut back on that rhetoric. Obamacare is bad for the country so YES the voters wanted it gone. That's why we have a Republican majority in congress, because that was the mandate that the voters wanted. Obamacare is a blight on the economy and the taxpayer.
Where you get the rhetoric of Republicans hating women, children and the poor is just extreme exaggeration.
It's easy for us to say Democrats hate babies because they want to kill them. Is that what you want, because we have evidence by means of abortion, don't we?
Selling body parts is disgusting and I find it interesting that you favor it. PP does this to themselves.
By the way, Obama wanted Obamacare to fail. He wants a socialized medicine system such as Europe has. And I have been to several socialized health care countries, living overseas for years, so don't get me started on how bad they are.

Correction: 55 Billion dollars, that's billion with a B, was earmarked for Florida at 5.5 billion dollars per year for 10 years to expand Medicaid, that Gov Rick Scott rejected. These were not new tax dollars, but federal tax dollars already paid and sent to Washington. So now our federal tax money is being sent to states like Ohio and Arizona, where the republican governors expanded Medicaid and put the welfare of their constituents above their hatred for Obama.

Six years we've been waiting for the GOP healthcare plan, you remember 'repeal and replace'. At least Donald Trump told us last week that his replacement plan for Obamacare will be "terrific". That is more than the republican congress has told us about their plan since 2009.

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Correction: 55 Billion dollars, that's billion with a B, was earmarked for Florida at 5.5 billion dollars per year for 10 years to expand Medicaid, that Gov Rick Scott rejected. These were not new tax dollars, but federal tax dollars already paid and sent to Washington. So now our federal tax money is being sent to states like Ohio and Arizona, where the republican governors expanded Medicaid and put the welfare of their constituents above their hatred for Obama.

Six years we've been waiting for the GOP healthcare plan, you remember 'repeal and replace'. At least Donald Trump told us last week that his replacement plan for Obamacare will be "terrific". That is more than the republican congress has told us about their plan since 2009.

As Donald would say....terrific post. Informative and zippy to read

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Correction: 55 Billion dollars, that's billion with a B, was earmarked for Florida at 5.5 billion dollars per year for 10 years to expand Medicaid, that Gov Rick Scott rejected. These were not new tax dollars, but federal tax dollars already paid and sent to Washington. So now our federal tax money is being sent to states like Ohio and Arizona, where the republican governors expanded Medicaid and put the welfare of their constituents above their hatred for Obama.

Six years we've been waiting for the GOP healthcare plan, you remember 'repeal and replace'. At least Donald Trump told us last week that his replacement plan for Obamacare will be "terrific". That is more than the republican congress has told us about their plan since 2009.

Let us first dispel of the old wives tale that you are trying to sell here.

This is from 2010 Wall St Journal....an article criticizng the Republican party but making note

"In the House, Republicans were frozen out from the start. Three Chairmen—Charlie Rangel, Henry Waxman and George Miller—holed up last spring to write the most liberal bill they could get through the House. Republicans were told that unless they embraced the "public option," there was nothing to discuss.

As for the White House, House GOP leaders John Boehner and Eric Cantor in May sent a letter to President Obama "respectfully" requesting a meeting to discuss ideas. The White House didn't respond. Mr. Obama's first deadline for House passage was July, and only after public opinion turned against the bill did he begin to engage Republican ideas. Yet in his September address to Congress attempting to revive his bill, he made no concession save pilot projects for tort reform."


The GOP and ObamaCare - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704117304575138071192342664)

The criticism in the article revolves around the writer thinking that at some point, even though being blocked at every turn, they maybe should have given a bit more because of the size and cost of the bill....

"In the end, Republicans couldn't as a matter of principle support even 50% of a bill that was such a huge and reckless expansion of government. If they had, they would have rightly lost the support of their own most loyal supporters. In the end, too, the bill was so unpopular—59% opposed in a Sunday CNN survey—that 34 House Democrats voted no and Mr. Reid is resorting to reconciliation to get the "fixes" of more taxes and spending through the Senate."

I highlighted in red what is important. Those who are staunch Democrats of the far far left laud this bill as if it were the greatest thing since sliced bread. It was unpopular and for a bill of such proportions, it REQUIRES A MANIPULATION to even get it passed with total control of both houses.

Now that we have that....lets understand....IF YOU SPEND SOME TIME reading at all, there are a number of proposals to replace/adjust Obama care as the cost will bankrupt the country and sooner than later.....

I might add that also inherent were some strong objections of a legal nature, and then we will move on to any possible alternatives.....but this from FORBES in 2012.....

"I’ve tried my best to explain that most conservative opposition to the mandate is not driven by partisan hypocrisy. Here is Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute in 2006, well before anyone was worried about Obamacare: “An individual mandate crosses an important line…it opens the door to widespread…political interference in personal health care decisions.” Grace-Marie Turner of the Galen Institute, also in 2006: “The first concern [of the Massachusetts health plan] is the requirement that every individual in the state must purchase health insurance or face financial penalties.”

What a Bipartisan Version of Obamacare Would Have Looked Like - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/04/05/would-democrats-block-a-republican-plan-for-universal-coverage-out-of-spite/)

Ok....now we know that this bill is far from popular, far from smart, far from saving health care costs and was a simple political exercise and duping on the american public.

Now, you sarcastically promote that Republicans have just been sitting on their hands ....thus my next post.

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Ok...we have a really bad bad law on the books. One which because of its size, cost and scope would be hard to simply repeal and replace, although there is strong feelings on doing that.

"“Repealing and replacing” Obamacare with market-oriented reforms has been the Republican mantra for years now. If you’re a long-time follower of this space, you know that we’re skeptical that Obamacare will ever be repealed, GOP slogans to the contrary. Today, however, a trio of experienced Senate Republicans—Tom Coburn (Okla.), Richard Burr (N.C.), and Orrin Hatch (Utah)—have put forth the most thoughtful and constructive plan yet developed to repeal and replace Obamacare. The plan seeks to ensure that as many Americans have health coverage as Obamacare does. It’s a proposal grounded in the real-world tradeoffs that all serious reformers must make. Want to know how those tradeoffs might affect you? Read on."

Senate Republicans Develop The Most Credible Plan Yet To 'Repeal And Replace' Obamacare (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/01/27/senate-republicans-develop-the-most-credible-plan-yet-to-repeal-and-replace-obamacare/)

It goes on to explain that some in the party want simple incremental changes and others want wholesale changes. A bit of a summary of some of the thoughts.

The idea in sharing this is to keep your folks quiet when you say things that are not true. The Republicans were totally shut out by our President, then manipulated congress to have it pass. It is not a good thing It has not even taken full effect as of yet...so at least, if you really are concerned read about the various ways being explored to handle this and it will not be easy. THAT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THEY WILL SPEND YEARS TRYING TO FIX THIS AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY HAD NO CHANCE TO EVEN BE INVOLVED WITH BUT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

"The Republican Study Committee, a caucus of House Republican conservatives, put out a plan last fall that would replace Obamacare by capping the employer tax exclusion, and making a standard deduction for health coverage available to everyone. A similar plan proposed by George W. Bush in 2007 would have expanded coverage by 11 million, compared to the pre-Obamacare status quo. The best thing about this approach is that it would reduce spending and reduce the deficit; Obamacare is deficit neutral, but it substantially increases federal health spending, along with its massive expansion of federal health-care regulation."

BUT this plan needs to address that OBAMACARE that does not take affect until 2017 has a 30 million number which will be hard to get...note the date of the in effect of this massive spending bill.

"A separate cohort of Republican health plans has taken a different approach. They aim to offer universal coverage—though they rarely use that term—by ensuring that every American who needs one can get a federal subsidy to purchase health insurance. These plans include the Patients’ Choice Act of 2009, introduced by Reps. Paul Ryan (R., Wisc.) and Devin Nunes (R., Calif.) along with Senators Coburn and Burr; and the Empowering Patients First Act of 2013, developed by Rep. Tom Price (R., Ga.).

And finally because all you liberals have stopped reading...you are not interested in the country which will need to absorb this massive spending when Obama is gone but I hope it will at least open your eyes to the fact that all that garbage about nobody working on alternatives is just that...garbage.

"The latest entry into this field—and thus far, the best—is the new Coburn-Burr-Hatch proposal, called the Patient Choice, Affordability, Responsibility, and Empowerment Act. (They abbreviate this as the “Patient CARE Act”; I’ll call it Coburn-Burr-Hatch, or CBH.)

CBH would repeal Obamacare, and replace it with a set of more market-oriented reforms. One key point right at the start: the authors “believe our proposal is roughly budget neutral over a decade.” That is to say, for all the reconfiguring it does to the health-care system, it doesn’t substantially reduce the deficit. It may modestly reduce the amount of federal spending and taxation. The Senate trio aims to have their proposal fiscally scored by an outside group of economists, most likely Doug Holtz-Eakin’s Center for Health and Economy.

While the plan would repeal Obamacare, it would preserve some of the law’s most popular features, such as its ban on lifetime limits on insurer payouts, and its requirement that insurers cover adult children younger than 27. It would replace Obamacare’s premium hike on young people, known as age-based community rating, with a more traditional 5:1 rating band."

I am just so sick and tired of hearing all this crap that comes on here about no alternatives.

I hope you people some day will read before you post and at least stop with the party talk. There is a lot of work to do because our President put this in on purpose to not kick in until he is gone.

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It is difficult for me to have much respect for folks who laud a bill that does the opposite of what it was intended to do....cut health care costs, and with such a massive spending to be done and it has not yet begun folks.
could not even get their own party to back it 100% and had to manipulate the senate rules in any case.

THAT to me is just plain dishonest and inexcusable.

The same poster keeps talking about the repeal of Obama care, etc mocking the Republican party and I hope the facts I just gave will appease her in some way.

The states involved know what is coming....know the costs. I suggest you read the bill someday instead of touting it when you do not even understand it...understand the cost to you....understand what is going to happen to your costs and your health care.

Yes....the Republicans talk repeal and replace.

Yes....it is necessary to save us

Yes...the Republican party is working hard to come up with something for the country, not the party, nor any individual.

Why do you think all the states are going Republican. Read please

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Correction: 55 Billion dollars, that's billion with a B, was earmarked for Florida at 5.5 billion dollars per year for 10 years to expand Medicaid, that Gov Rick Scott rejected. These were not new tax dollars, but federal tax dollars already paid and sent to Washington. So now our federal tax money is being sent to states like Ohio and Arizona, where the republican governors expanded Medicaid and put the welfare of their constituents above their hatred for Obama.

Six years we've been waiting for the GOP healthcare plan, you remember 'repeal and replace'. At least Donald Trump told us last week that his replacement plan for Obamacare will be "terrific". That is more than the republican congress has told us about their plan since 2009.

So, now we get it. I finally get it. You are saying that the babies being killed and dismembered and sold like auto parts, is the fault of the Republicans because they didn't support Obamacare? I mean, you are talking about Obamacare now instead of the despicable act of dissecting and piecing out baby body parts, right?

I see how you diverted the subject from the maiming of dead babies to a political debate over Obamacare.

So, the theme of the thread is that the liberal media and Internet blogs were showing more emotion at the hunting and killing of a lion in another country, then the maiming and selling of baby body parts, by the thousands. I guess we don't have to guess at someone's priorities, huh?

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So, now we get it. I finally get it. You are saying that the babies being killed and dismembered and sold like auto parts, is the fault of the Republicans because they didn't support Obamacare? I mean, you are talking about Obamacare now instead of the despicable act of dissecting and piecing out baby body parts, right?

I see how you diverted the subject from the maiming of dead babies to a political debate over Obamacare.

So, the theme of the thread is that the liberal media and Internet blogs were showing more emotion at the hunting and killing of a lion in another country, then the maiming and selling of baby body parts, by the thousands. I guess we don't have to guess at someone's priorities, huh?

I will apologize now for my long posts on the repeal of Obamacare, but...

we have one poster who over and over brings this up...she does not like our Gov because he is a Republican and she tries to make it personal by bringing up Florida yet he joined many others in knowing it is NOT AFFORDABLE...not even close and when it fully takes affect (after Obama leaves) we are stuck with it.

She also posts constantly that the Republican party should have could have, et and I just wanted her to understand how shockingly un-American this entire process was....secret deals...secret negotiations, etc and hopefully the new congress can get some of this stuff passed before the 2017 full implementation.

So sorry for the long posts, but so much tripe and you just explode. These people are fed a bunch of blarney and never check to see if it is true.

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HAS the poster who said...

this thread was full of lies

this thread had only 4 people posting

EVER COME BACK after being challenged to even tell what was a lie and how he knows about the 4 posters ?????

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I will apologize now for my long posts on the repeal of Obamacare, but...

we have one poster who over and over brings this up...she does not like our Gov because he is a Republican and she tries to make it personal by bringing up Florida yet he joined many others in knowing it is NOT AFFORDABLE...not even close and when it fully takes affect (after Obama leaves) we are stuck with it.

She also posts constantly that the Republican party should have could have, et and I just wanted her to understand how shockingly un-American this entire process was....secret deals...secret negotiations, etc and hopefully the new congress can get some of this stuff passed before the 2017 full implementation.

So sorry for the long posts, but so much tripe and you just explode. These people are fed a bunch of blarney and never check to see if it is true.

I guess I probably responded to the wrong post. Kind of hard to know who you are conversing with when everyone has the same moniker..ha,ha.

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HAS the poster who said...

this thread was full of lies

this thread had only 4 people posting

EVER COME BACK after being challenged to even tell what was a lie and how he knows about the 4 posters ?????

Who would know? After all, the only moniker I see is "guest".

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They're not babies, they're fetuses. Why can't you understand that. A woman can donate her placenta or her removed kidney to science. She can also donate her removed fetus. It's hers to dispose of in any way she consents, including allowing the agency that removes the unwanted fetus to dispose of as it sees fit within the law. So you don't like the optics, well all you saw was an edited piece of a sting operation. Effective propaganda, not truthful.

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They're not babies, they're fetuses. Why can't you understand that. A woman can donate her placenta or her removed kidney to science. She can also donate her removed fetus. It's hers to dispose of in any way she consents, including allowing the agency that removes the unwanted fetus to dispose of as it sees fit within the law. So you don't like the optics, well all you saw was an edited piece of a sting operation. Effective propaganda, not truthful.

Does the above translate into they do not do what is portrayed in the videos?

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Who would know? After all, the only moniker I see is "guest".

Just guessing that if you come on and made serious accusations as this particular GUEST did....ie., this thread is full of lies, and also that only 4 posters were using it.....and then get called on it....please allow what lies and how you know how many posters there are...

Well, just an assumption that maybe that poster who took the time to make the accusations just might show up to answer the questions, but I suppose I erred in my judgement.

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They're not babies, they're fetuses. Why can't you understand that. A woman can donate her placenta or her removed kidney to science. She can also donate her removed fetus. It's hers to dispose of in any way she consents, including allowing the agency that removes the unwanted fetus to dispose of as it sees fit within the law. So you don't like the optics, well all you saw was an edited piece of a sting operation. Effective propaganda, not truthful.

Have you watched the unedited versions ?

Have you read the law concerning the procedures used that cannot be changed to save certain parts ? Then hear them discuss how to save the head, etc.

Listen, they will not be defunded but I sure hope there is an investigation.

We have so many federal agencies that just flat out do not follow the law and either change the law or enforce it........you cannot pick what laws you like.

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They're not babies, they're fetuses. Why can't you understand that. A woman can donate her placenta or her removed kidney to science. She can also donate her removed fetus. It's hers to dispose of in any way she consents, including allowing the agency that removes the unwanted fetus to dispose of as it sees fit within the law. So you don't like the optics, well all you saw was an edited piece of a sting operation. Effective propaganda, not truthful.

You have an immoral and demented view of right and wrong .... thus you're hopeless

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They're not babies, they're fetuses. Why can't you understand that. A woman can donate her placenta or her removed kidney to science. She can also donate her removed fetus. It's hers to dispose of in any way she consents, including allowing the agency that removes the unwanted fetus to dispose of as it sees fit within the law. So you don't like the optics, well all you saw was an edited piece of a sting operation. Effective propaganda, not truthful.

To complete the image one just needs to visualize someone with a bullhorn standing on a soap box with nobody around.

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They're not babies, they're fetuses. Why can't you understand that. A woman can donate her placenta or her removed kidney to science. She can also donate her removed fetus. It's hers to dispose of in any way she consents, including allowing the agency that removes the unwanted fetus to dispose of as it sees fit within the law. So you don't like the optics, well all you saw was an edited piece of a sting operation. Effective propaganda, not truthful.

They say ignorance is bliss, so.......

They are babies. The definition of a fetus is an unborn child, a baby. You can argue all you want, to justify your guilt, but you can't convince those with logic and common sense, that the sky is green when it's blue.

Edited? The whole video is on line, if you have enough motivation to google it. Oh yes, you have been told that it is all a hoax, perpetrated by those mean spirited, women hating, bigoted, racist, sexist Republicans. That says an awful lot about a person and how they can be led around without questioning what they are told. Me? I don't believe anyone so I do my research. I've been wrong before. I just can't remember that far back...ha,ha. Any reasonable person can't refute the facts when they come from a multitude of sources.

One of your perpetrators of lies (Wasserman Schultz) was asked on two different occasions, the difference between a socialist and a Democrat. Not only could she not answer, but she had a long time to research in between being asked the same question. And she presents the Democrat party.

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You have an immoral and demented view of right and wrong .... thus you're hopeless

Exactly. Couldn't say it better.