What would you have done ?

[Chatbrat]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

[Jima64]

I sympathize with you avout this cigar stench. My dad was a lifelong cigar smoker and there is a big difference between smoking and chewing on the end. It is a terrible tobacco breath that won't go away. I guess I would have moved and if the server asked about the move I would have said why.

[outlaw]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

Assuming he was aggressive and violated your space, the correct response would have been to ask him if he would like to go around back and throw down with you. &holes rarely will take you up on that offer. Although sometimes they will. In that case make sure you have him go first, then as soon as he turns around to confront you, you sucker punch him in the face and don't stop until he is flat out and unconscious. This is, of course, assuming he is much smaller than you.

[Chatbrat]

At my age its not smart to exchange compound fractures, can't run fast anymore& when I'm not drinking or seated @ prohibited area, I carry a firearm-

[outlaw]

At my age its not smart to exchange compound fractures, can't run fast anymore& when I'm not drinking or seated @ prohibited area, I carry a firearm-

In that case, you should have just shot that nasty thing out of his mouth...but then that would have been noisy and wasting ammo.

[jnieman]

It's exactly why I don't sit at the outside bars in the Villages. I do not like to smell the smoke.

[Chatbrat]

This was @ an INSIDE bar & we hand our drinks in front of us !!!!, before the cigar chewer arrived

[Villager Joyce]

What would you have done if the Person had offensive body odor Or too much cologne?

[Xcuse]

What would you have done if the Person had offensive body odor Or too much cologne?
My wife would insist I keep my mouth shut and that we move.

[tomwed]

What would you have done ? since you asked.......................
I would have moved to another seat or went elsewhere.

When I was quite young I would have been more confrontational if I knew I would be running into this person again.

What I just wrote [the last sentence] doesn't really make sense. Why would kid be smoking a cigar? If it was an adult, I would not confront an adult. This is not my kind of thread and I would just change my response to /////////////////// but I have already been quoted. oh well,,,live and learn

[Villager Joyce]

What would you have done ? since you asked.......................
I would have moved to another seat or went elsewhere.

When I was quite young I would have been more confrontational if I knew I would be running into this person again.

I would have sucked it up up until I finished my drink and then left -- either to be seated at a table or to leave the establishment.

[jjdees]

This thread stinks.

[Jima64]

This is the type of situation that could escalate into something physical. Is it really worth it? I would have responded differently as a younger man if he approached me withnhis comment after the server spoke to,him. Just glad he is not my mate, companion or friend.

[redwitch]

I would have moved. Some things are worth the battle, some are not. This would be on my not list. Just not worth the confrontation.

And I sincerely hope you weren't carrying in the bar area of the restaurant, which is against the law. If you're going to carry a concealed weapon, know and obey the laws. It can save a lot of grief.

[Carla B]

This was @ an INSIDE bar & we hand our drinks in front of us !!!!, before the cigar chewer arrived

Is smoking was allowed at the inside bars of country clubs? Oh, never mind. You said he was just chewing on the end of the cigar.

[Bogie Shooter]

Assuming he was aggressive and violated your space, the correct response would have been to ask him if he would like to go around back and throw down with you. &holes rarely will take you up on that offer. Although sometimes they will. In that case make sure you have him go first, then as soon as he turns around to confront you, you sucker punch him in the face and don't stop until he is flat out and unconscious. This is, of course, assuming he is much smaller than you.

This makes you no better than him.

[Justus]

Assuming he was aggressive and violated your space, the correct response would have been to ask him if he would like to go around back and throw down with you. &holes rarely will take you up on that offer. Although sometimes they will. In that case make sure you have him go first, then as soon as he turns around to confront you, you sucker punch him in the face and don't stop until he is flat out and unconscious. This is, of course, assuming he is much smaller than you.

OMG! Thanks!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Justus]

Chatbrat,

I think you did the right thing in telling the waitress to intercede. I don't think she was wise in identifying you as the complainant. She could have said that unnamed "other patrons" had objected to the stench.

[fred53]

Assuming he was aggressive and violated your space, the correct response would have been to ask him if he would like to go around back and throw down with you. &holes rarely will take you up on that offer. Although sometimes they will. In that case make sure you have him go first, then as soon as he turns around to confront you, you sucker punch him in the face and don't stop until he is flat out and unconscious. This is, of course, assuming he is much smaller than you.

sucker punch someone..yup...brave...then doing it for something they said...that's just a bit reactionary...there's also the fact that you'd go to jail for assault(no, they won't arrest him for a smelly cigar)and then have to pay his medical bills as well as being sued...yup...that's the correct response...

[Kannon451]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.
M
At my age its not smart to exchange compound fractures, can't run fast anymore& when I'm not drinking or seated @ prohibited area, I carry a firearm-

What a worthless, ridiculous reason to start a confrontation. As said by another poster, if he had reeked of body oder or was passing gas, nothing would have said. My guess is there was some degree of satisfaction needed in seeing him remove the cigar. You carry a gun and initiated this, confrontation, interesting.

As far as carrying a concealed gun, I'm not buying that you review your daily itinerary each morning before leaving the house and based on your planned activities and venues then decide to carry or not.....PLEASE.......

[Chatbrat]

I know the rules for ccw, you can carry a firearm into the area of a restaurant where alcohol is served. When I'm in that situation my firearm is locked in my vehicle. I carry it whenever I'm out of my residence.

[Happinow]

I believe there is no smoking inside any restaurant, even at the bar. If the bartender saw that this person had a cigar, she should have either nipped it in the bud herself right then and there or called for a manager to handle the situation. Patrons should not be put to in a situation like this where they have to feel uncomfortable. The rules are the rules with smoking, especially cigars, and someone with authority should have addressed this immediately without a patron asking them to do so.

[Gerald]

I would ask for another place to sit. Waste of time to confront people today.

[ScorpioSquared]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

I don't think your approach was so off base. I find it amazing that when possibly being offensive people take the defensive. Did he really need to approach you semi agressively? I find smokers and some are friends can be touchy about being approached for smoking in public areas. I'm a former smoker and today I wish not to breathe the smell or smoke. Please smoke where it's not a shared experience and I'll keep my dog poop off your lawn. :icon_wink:

[Chatbrat]

We only eat @ the bar, & there were no more seats available.

[Kannon451]

I don't think your approach was so off base. I find it amazing that when possibly being offensive people take the defensive. Did he really need to approach you semi agressively? I find smokers and some are friends can be touchy about being approached for smoking in public areas. I'm a former smoker and today I wish not to breathe the smell or smoke. Please smoke where it's not a shared experience and I'll keep my dog poop off your lawn. :icon_wink:D

I find it amazing how defensive dog owners get when taken to task on their dogs pooping in places other than their own yard or the dog parks. I find it offensive to see it and smell it in common public areas EVERY night at the town squares, the mail box areas and....yes my yard. According to dog owners these are the "few". But what are the odds that those few are at my mail area, my front yard and the town squares every time I'm there. Apparently we are all have the same schedules. When I stop sharing your dog poop in public areas, you can talk about not sharing someone's smoke.

[outlaw]

I believe there is no smoking inside any restaurant, even at the bar. If the bartender saw that this person had a cigar, she should have either nipped it in the bud herself right then and there or called for a manager to handle the situation. Patrons should not be put to in a situation like this where they have to feel uncomfortable. The rules are the rules with smoking, especially cigars, and someone with authority should have addressed this immediately without a patron asking them to do so.

The guy wasn't smoking.

[outlaw]

This makes you no better than him.

I don't smoke or chew.

[Justus]

Assuming he was aggressive and violated your space, the correct response would have been to ask him if he would like to go around back and throw down with you. &holes rarely will take you up on that offer. Although sometimes they will. In that case make sure you have him go first, then as soon as he turns around to confront you, you sucker punch him in the face and don't stop until he is flat out and unconscious. This is, of course, assuming he is much smaller than you.

Yikes! Can you not see the humor in this post? It was a JOKE!!!! For crying out loud, LIGHTEN UP, people!!!! I laughed my butt off when I read it! What a great sense of humor...too bad for anyone who didn't enjoy it the way it was intended.

[outlaw]

sucker punch someone..yup...brave...then doing it for something they said...that's just a bit reactionary...there's also the fact that you'd go to jail for assault(no, they won't arrest him for a smelly cigar)and then have to pay his medical bills as well as being sued...yup...that's the correct response...

I wouldn't sucker punch someone for what they said. I would only sucker punch someone that was getting ready to hit me. That's just street self defense, not assault.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Actually, probably nothing. I more than likely would have gotten up and moved. Everybody wants to sue nowadays and with my background (LEO and 2nd degree Black Belt), I don't want to be questioned as to why I couldn't have avoided the confrontation. I back off from anything and everything unless my family is threatened.

[Bogie Shooter]

Yikes! Can you not see the humor in this post? It was a JOKE!!!! For crying out loud, LIGHTEN UP, people!!!! I laughed my butt off when I read it! What a great sense of humor...too bad for anyone who didn't enjoy it the way it was intended.

Is there a reward for the lost butt?

[Wandatime]

It is a country club in a golfing community in the middle of summer. Men and women come in from playing golf in this heat reeking of sweat, body odor, stale perfume, cigarette and cigar smoke. I wouldn't have done a darned thing except continue to eat my lunch.

[Sandtrap328]

I think the OP did the right thing in asking the bar server to tell the man to get rid of his cigar chew. It is disgusting to see. I do wonder how much the "in your face" comment was, though. The cigar chewer was probably peeved and just asked why the OP could not have asked himself. Who cares? It is a nasty thing and the cigar chewer should have known it was going to bother someone but obviously either was not thinking or was a pig.

I, however, would like to find out WHY the OP feels it is necessary for him to carry a handgun whenever he leaves his house. Are you honestly so scared that something bad is going to happen to you in the area of The Villages? No, it is not like insurance coverage on a house or car. Those are mandated by the bank or by law.

How many times and under what circumstances have you had to draw your pistol since moving to The Villages?

[MikeyBoo54]

I believe there is no smoking inside any restaurant, even at the bar. If the bartender saw that this person had a cigar, she should have either nipped it in the bud herself right then and there or called for a manager to handle the situation. Patrons should not be put to in a situation like this where they have to feel uncomfortable. The rules are the rules with smoking, especially cigars, and someone with authority should have addressed this immediately without a patron asking them to do so.

____________________________

Please read before commenting. The man was not smoking he was chewing on a previously smoked cigar. Disgusting, but not a violation of the rules.

[Jima64]

It is a country club in a golfing community in the middle of summer. Men and women come in from playing golf in this heat reeking of sweat, body odor, stale perfume, cigarette and cigar smoke. I wouldn't have done a darned thing except continue to eat my lunch.

A person that chews on the last of a cigar can have a horrible bad breath odor that goes beyond the smoking smell. I used to shop at a local market and the new clerk, an older gentleman would chew a cigar and it was so bad several customers quit shopping there. It went beyond the cigar aroma but just plain nasty breath so bad you could smell it as soon as you approached the checkout register.

[Yung Dum]

Assuming he was aggressive and violated your space, the correct response would have been to ask him if he would like to go around back and throw down with you. &holes rarely will take you up on that offer. Although sometimes they will. In that case make sure you have him go first, then as soon as he turns around to confront you, you sucker punch him in the face and don't stop until he is flat out and unconscious. This is, of course, assuming he is much smaller than you.

By far the best answer.
:a040:

[Chatbrat]

The reason I carry a firearm, is the same reason I use seat belts, In The Villages as senior citizens we represent vulnerable targets to the criminal community. We possess wealth & the lifestyle that most native Floridans will never achieve. In Florida by statistics almost 10% are legally allowed to carry a forearmed concealed on their person. Police are minutes away when seconds count.

[Justus]

The reason I carry a firearm, is the same reason I use seat belts, In The Villages as senior citizens we represent vulnerable targets to the criminal community. We possess wealth & the lifestyle that most native Floridans will never achieve. In Florida by statistics almost 10% are legally allowed to carry a forearmed concealed on their person. Police are minutes away when seconds count.

:ho: It's an individual's right and obligation to ensure his own personal safety, and that's not paranoia, even in TV. If the elderly Villager woman who was brutally mugged in the Target parking lot had been armed, I believe the outcome of the situation would have been entirely different...3 against 1...

[outlaw]

I think the OP did the right thing in asking the bar server to tell the man to get rid of his cigar chew. It is disgusting to see. I do wonder how much the "in your face" comment was, though. The cigar chewer was probably peeved and just asked why the OP could not have asked himself. Who cares? It is a nasty thing and the cigar chewer should have known it was going to bother someone but obviously either was not thinking or was a pig.

I, however, would like to find out WHY the OP feels it is necessary for him to carry a handgun whenever he leaves his house. Are you honestly so scared that something bad is going to happen to you in the area of The Villages? No, it is not like insurance coverage on a house or car. Those are mandated by the bank or by law.

How many times and under what circumstances have you had to draw your pistol since moving to The Villages?

Are you saying that you would not buy insurance if you were not required to buy it?

[Sandtrap328]

:ho: It's an individual's right and obligation to ensure his own personal safety, and that's not paranoia, even in TV. If the elderly Villager woman who was brutally mugged in the Target parking lot had been armed, I believe the outcome of the situation would have been entirely different...3 against 1...

If that 80 year old woman had been armed, the chances are the pistol would have been carried in her purse.

The mugger came up in back of her, knocked her to the ground with one powerful blow, grabbed her purse and ran to a waiting car. That is how it happened according to all witnesses.

If she had been armed, the mugger would have gotten a gun as part of his loot.

[Happinow]

The guy wasn't smoking.

Then I would have gotten up and moved. Chewing is nauseating.

[Justus]

If that 80 year old woman had been armed, the chances are the pistol would have been carried in her purse.

The mugger came up in back of her, knocked her to the ground with one powerful blow, grabbed her purse and ran to a waiting car. That is how it happened according to all witnesses.

If she had been armed, the mugger would have gotten a gun as part of his loot.

Why would you assume it would be in her purse...? Still, the MO of these 3 thugs proves the point that danger does exist in and around TV, and it's one's legal right to protect him/herself.

[Chatbrat]

The most important thing about personal safety is awareness, know whats around you at all times, while walking driving, etc.

[outlaw]

If that 80 year old woman had been armed, the chances are the pistol would have been carried in her purse.

The mugger came up in back of her, knocked her to the ground with one powerful blow, grabbed her purse and ran to a waiting car. That is how it happened according to all witnesses.

If she had been armed, the mugger would have gotten a gun as part of his loot.

I think what you are missing is the mindset of many CCW citizens. The whole idea of being responsible for your safety and protection includes being proficient in the use of your firearm, and being aware of your surroundings, among other things. The example you give is consistent with people who assume/expect the government to provide protection for them and their loved ones, or who play the numbers game thinking this will never happen to them...until it does. In this particular case, as in most, the government shows up to do the paperwork. If you are willing to offload your responsibility for your own safety to the government, be my guest. Don't buy house insurance either. After all, how many times has your house burned to the ground?

[Justus]

:bigbow:I think what you are missing is the mindset of many CCW citizens. The whole idea of being responsible for your safety and protection includes being proficient in the use of your firearm, and being aware of your surroundings, among other things. The example you give is consistent with people who assume/expect the government to provide protection for them and their loved ones, or who play the numbers game thinking this will never happen to them...until it does. In this particular case, as in most, the government shows up to do the paperwork. If you are willing to offload your responsibility for your own safety to the government, be my guest. Don't buy house insurance either. After all, what how many times has your house burned to the ground?

:bigbow:

[outlaw]

Why would you assume it would be in her purse...? Still, the MO of these 3 thugs proves the point that danger does exist in and around TV, and it's one's legal right to protect him/herself.

So true. And yet, most people think it will never happen to them. I hope they are right. But I don't like the odds. I am amazed at the number of Americans that don't understand the importance/meaning of the second amendment and would impose substantial gun control measures (even banning CCW) against their fellow Americans in spite of this being a basic right. Even though, by the FBI's own database, there are at least a couple hundred thousand instances per year where a privately owned gun prevented a crime or stopped a criminal from getting away.

[Sandtrap328]

Okay guys, my last post on the subject of carrying guns in and around The Villages.

In the instance of the 80 year old lady mugged in the parking lot - she takes one powerful blow and gets knocked to the ground and her purse is grabbed and the mugger runs to a waiting car. That is the fact of the case.

IF she had a gun - not in her purse that was stolen - she was knocked to the ground, suffered a broken hip (I believe), could she play through the pain; shake the cobwebs out of her head; draw her pistol from wherever it was holstered; aim at a running target now many yards away, and pump a couple of slugs into the "10 ring"?

Then, besides probably hitting some innocent bystanders, would she be charged with a crime because the bad guy did not pose a threat to her anymore since he was running away?

Wow, that would be some remarkable 80 year old lady, wouldn't it?

As to the fire insurance - my bank requires me to have it for the mortgage. The Florida law requires me to have car insurance.

As I said, it is your right to carry. Absolutely no need for it but go ahead and do it if you do everything legal.

[Wandatime]

A person that chews on the last of a cigar can have a horrible bad breath odor that goes beyond the smoking smell. I used to shop at a local market and the new clerk, an older gentleman would chew a cigar and it was so bad several customers quit shopping there. It went beyond the cigar aroma but just plain nasty breath so bad you could smell it as soon as you approached the checkout register.

Point taken, but even after removing the cigar the breath would still remain disgusting, no?

[Wandatime]

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[snowbird22154]

People Live Longer....listening to your wife :beer3:


My wife would insist I keep my mouth shut and that we move.

[MikeyBoo54]

I guess I'm lost in the thread now.

Did the cigar chewer have a gun? Was he letting his dog poop in the grass outside the bar? Was he a politician espousing gun control?

Is this a demonstration of how to hijack any thread into the standard issues of complaint at TV?

:ohdear:

[dillywho]

Okay guys, my last post on the subject of carrying guns in and around The Villages.

In the instance of the 80 year old lady mugged in the parking lot - she takes one powerful blow and gets knocked to the ground and her purse is grabbed and the mugger runs to a waiting car. That is the fact of the case.

IF she had a gun - not in her purse that was stolen - she was knocked to the ground, suffered a broken hip (I believe), could she play through the pain; shake the cobwebs out of her head; draw her pistol from wherever it was holstered; aim at a running target now many yards away, and pump a couple of slugs into the "10 ring"?

Then, besides probably hitting some innocent bystanders, would she be charged with a crime because the bad guy did not pose a threat to her anymore since he was running away?

Wow, that would be some remarkable 80 year old lady, wouldn't it?

As to the fire insurance - my bank requires me to have it for the mortgage. The Florida law requires me to have car insurance.

As I said, it is your right to carry. Absolutely no need for it but go ahead and do it if you do everything legal.

Had one of those witnesses been carrying, they could have been apprehended sooner or the crime averted all together. There is "no need for it".....until there is.

As for the cigar guy, I would just finish my drink and leave. If eating, I would just ask to be seated elsewhere as soon as there was another place available.

[outlaw]

Okay guys, my last post on the subject of carrying guns in and around The Villages.

In the instance of the 80 year old lady mugged in the parking lot - she takes one powerful blow and gets knocked to the ground and her purse is grabbed and the mugger runs to a waiting car. That is the fact of the case.

IF she had a gun - not in her purse that was stolen - she was knocked to the ground, suffered a broken hip (I believe), could she play through the pain; shake the cobwebs out of her head; draw her pistol from wherever it was holstered; aim at a running target now many yards away, and pump a couple of slugs into the "10 ring"?

Then, besides probably hitting some innocent bystanders, would she be charged with a crime because the bad guy did not pose a threat to her anymore since he was running away?

Wow, that would be some remarkable 80 year old lady, wouldn't it?

As to the fire insurance - my bank requires me to have it for the mortgage. The Florida law requires me to have car insurance.

As I said, it is your right to carry. Absolutely no need for it but go ahead and do it if you do everything legal.

I'm not required to have house insurance, but I do. I'm not required to carry $300,000 auto coverage, but I do. So, in my case, it is the same as CC. It reminds me of the flood "victims" that never buy FEMA flood insurance, and then want FEMA to rebuild their house when it gets flooded.

[Bogie Shooter]

As I was reading this thread I saw some interesting stats on a CNN report.
Since 911 we have had 74 people killed in terriost attacks, to which $800m has been spent. During this same period there were 150,000 gun deaths,
which nothing has been spent or anything done.
Seems like our priorities are misplaced.......

[CathyandSteveG]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

So he simply had the cigar in his mouth but he was not smoking it? it was not lit? He was chewing it?.... kind of like dipping snuff or chewing a wad of tobacco? Could the odor that you were smelling have been lingering on his clothes?

Is smoking allowed in the country clubs? although he was not technically smoking. Are vapor cigarettes allowed in the country clubs? I don't live in TV yet so I don't know the answer to these questions.

Your question is what would you have done? I would simply have moved to another table.

[JGVillages]

I sympathize with you avout this cigar stench. My dad was a lifelong cigar smoker and there is a big difference between smoking and chewing on the end. It is a terrible tobacco breath that won't go away. I guess I would have moved and if the server asked about the move I would have said why.

I think we sat next to this guy at the "Sharon" Performing Arts Center a couple weeks ago. The stench from his breath was awful. Some people have no clue.:boxing2::boxing2:

[Barefoot]

Then I would have gotten up and moved. Chewing is nauseating. We only eat @ the bar, & there were no more seats available.
Chatbrat already said there were no more seats available.

It is a country club in a golfing community in the middle of summer. Men and women come in from playing golf in this heat reeking of sweat, body odor, stale perfume, cigarette and cigar smoke. I wouldn't have done a darned thing except continue to eat my lunch.
:thumbup: Always the voice of reason.

[John_W]

If that 80 year old woman had been armed, the chances are the pistol would have been carried in her purse.

The mugger came up in back of her, knocked her to the ground with one powerful blow, grabbed her purse and ran to a waiting car. That is how it happened according to all witnesses.

If she had been armed, the mugger would have gotten a gun as part of his loot.

Why would a woman with a concealed weapon permit carry a gun in the one place that a mugger would try to steal? Obviously posting opinions on a message board doesn't require training. Granny on the otherhand, would of had to undergo training, fingerprinting, background checks, photographing, pay a few dollars here and there all before she received her concealed weapon permit. Then she would of probably visited a gun shop or two and most likely would not have been quite as dumb as you protrayed her in your example.

[Sandtrap328]

Why would a woman with a concealed weapon permit carry a gun in the one place that a mugger would try to steal? Obviously posting opinions on a message board doesn't require training. Granny on the otherhand, would of had to undergo training, fingerprinting, background checks, photographing, pay a few dollars here and there all before she received her concealed weapon permit. Then she would of probably visited a gun shop or two and most likely would not have been quite as dumb as you protrayed her in your example.

Let's say she had a gun in a holster tucked in her pants. She gets knocked down to the ground from behind, breaks a hip (I believe), laying on the ground with a broken hip and pulls out her pistol and plugs a running perp many yards away? Not going to happen, dude.

Let's also say "Granny" was a WAC during the Korean War. All she needs for a CCL is her DD214, fingerprinting, and pay about $100. No training or test or shooting skill required at all for a veteran even though military service might have been 70 years ago.

Anyhow, enjoy packing your gun in legal places.

[dbussone]

Let's say she had a gun in a holster tucked in her pants. She gets knocked down to the ground from behind, breaks a hip (I believe), laying on the ground with a broken hip and pulls out her pistol and plugs a running perp many yards away? Not going to happen, dude.



Let's also say "Granny" was a WAC during the Korean War. All she needs for a CCL is her DD214, fingerprinting, and pay about $100. No training or test or shooting skill required at all for a veteran even though military service might have been 70 years ago.



Anyhow, enjoy packing your gun in legal places.


The granny I know is far younger than 80, very skilled with a pistol, and I would not want to hack her off. She is very aware of her surroundings. And has excellent reflexes. I think you may be underestimating the skills of certain Villagers.

[Barefoot]

Why would a woman with a concealed weapon permit carry a gun in the one place that a mugger would try to steal? Obviously posting opinions on a message board doesn't require training. Granny on the other hand, would of had to undergo training, fingerprinting, background checks, photographing, pay a few dollars here and there all before she received her concealed weapon permit. Then she would of probably visited a gun shop or two and most likely would not have been quite as dumb as you protrayed her in your example.

I guess I'm lost in the thread now.
Did the cigar chewer have a gun?
I'm a little confused also. :confused: What on earth does a gun have to do with a man with bad breath in a bar chewing on a cigar?
I guess I need to read all 60 posts.

John W -
Most 80 year old woman I know wouldn't have the slightest interest in obtaining a permit to carry a concealed weapon. :shocked:

[CFrance]

I guess I'm lost in the thread now.

Did the cigar chewer have a gun? Was he letting his dog poop in the grass outside the bar? Was he a politician espousing gun control?

Is this a demonstration of how to hijack any thread into the standard issues of complaint at TV?

:ohdear:
No, it's a demonstration of how rumors get started!

[Skybo]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

Personally, if I were seated next to someone who somehow offended me, I would have moved. But since you "only eat at bars", I guess that limits your options, so you just have to deal with it.

[outlaw]

As I was reading this thread I saw some interesting stats on a CNN report.
Since 911 we have had 74 people killed in terriost attacks, to which $800m has been spent. During this same period there were 150,000 gun deaths,
which nothing has been spent or anything done.
Seems like our priorities are misplaced.......

About half of those gun deaths were suicide; that's their choice, I'm libertarian. The other half were drug/gang bangers; again, no problem there; taking out the trash.

[Bogie Shooter]

About half of those gun deaths were suicide; that's their choice, I'm libertarian. The other half were drug/gang bangers; again, no problem there; taking out the trash.

Do you carry when taking out the trash?

[NotFromAroundHere]

About half of those gun deaths were suicide; that's their choice, I'm libertarian. The other half were drug/gang bangers; again, no problem there; taking out the trash.

Half suicides and half criminals. I had no idea that of all the gun deaths not a single innocent victim was involved. Learn something new every day.

[Carla B]

I'm curious about why the OP only eats at bars. More chance to socialize with strangers?

[outlaw]

Do you carry when taking out the trash?

No. Actually, I don't carry in the compound. I feel pretty safe here. I admit that is a flimsy excuse for shirking my responsibility as a citizen to rely on others to protect me. But it is what it is. An Orlando LEO friend tells me "you have no idea what kind of people are around you". He even carries at Disney World. I guess you have to walk in his shoes to really appreciate how many predators there really are out there.

[outlaw]

I'm curious about why the OP only eats at bars. More chance to socialize with strangers?

Smaller tip?

[outlaw]

Half suicides and half criminals. I had no idea that of all the gun deaths not a single innocent victim was involved. Learn something new every day.

That's why I said "about". Check out the FBI stats on suicides; it was an eye opener for me.

[Bonny]

I'm curious about why the OP only eats at bars. More chance to socialize with strangers?
We tend to usually eat at the bar. We love people and have met many fun people at the bar. There's more of a chance to talk and meet people. Plus we like the bartenders. :)

[Bonny]

Smaller tip?
Why would you think smaller tip? We tip the same as we would tip any where in the restaurant. We tip on the bill. Sometimes we tip more at the bar because we've been having a fun time.

[kcrazorbackfan]

No. Actually, I don't carry in the compound. I feel pretty safe here. I admit that is a flimsy excuse for shirking my responsibility as a citizen to rely on others to protect me. But it is what it is. An Orlando LEO friend tells me "you have no idea what kind of people are around you". He even carries at Disney World. I guess you have to walk in his shoes to really appreciate how many predators there really are out there.

Whenever we leave the home, I really never know where we might end up for the day, so mine is always with me. Concerning Orlando, I've lived in STL (one of the most dangerous cities in America) and KC (a relatively low crime city); Orlando (including the metro area) is as violent as STL (and it's metro area) is.

[outlaw]

Whenever we leave the home, I really never know where we might end up for the day, so mine is always with me. Concerning Orlando, I've lived in STL (one of the most dangerous cities in America) and KC (a relatively low crime city); Orlando (including the metro area) is as violent as STL (and it's metro area) is.

Orlando's expanding and we're only 60 miles north....

[outlaw]

Why would you think smaller tip? We tip the same as we would tip any where in the restaurant. We tip on the bill. Sometimes we tip more at the bar because we've been having a fun time.

I believe it is custom/tradition.

[Bonny]

I believe it is custom/tradition.
Never heard of that. Everyone I know tips according to what their bill is. Doesn't matter if I get a $30.00 bill at a table or at the bar, I tip on the $30.00.

[outlaw]

Never heard of that. Everyone I know tips according to what their bill is. Doesn't matter if I get a $30.00 bill at a table or at the bar, I tip on the $30.00.

I think if you ask your friends specifically if they tip the same % at a bar and table, they will tell you differently.

[newguyintv]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

Why would you ask a bar person to do your dirty work for you?

[Bonny]

I think if you ask your friends specifically if they tip the same % at a bar and table, they will tell you differently.
No they definitely wouldn't. My friends tip on the bill. Never heard of anyone tipping less because someone else served them.

[zonerboy]

Got a haircut the other day and the barber was kinda smelly (BO). I didnt tell him, but guess I'll ask for some one else next time.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not so sure the contents of a purse are worth some one's life. I guess people with attitudes like mine are just enabling muggers.

[outlaw]

No they definitely wouldn't. My friends tip on the bill. Never heard of anyone tipping less because someone else served them.

I always tip more at a table than a bar. I think the waiter has more work to do waiting a table versus the same at the bar. Note: I did not say the bartender doesn't work as hard as the waiter. Also, the bar usually gets a % of the tips from the tables and a many times a "tip" from the waiter at the end of the shift.

[TheVillageChicken]

Are we still talking about cigars, or guns, or just tipping?

[red tail]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

it's easier to say what I would NOT have done and that's not make an ASS out of myself!

[newguyintv]

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

I would have done two things:
1) Don't involve the bartender
2) Mind my own business

Beyond that the rest of this thread is extraneous.

[Chatbrat]

So if a slob sits next to you, who has no manners, and education=why is it upon you to surrender your dignity and space to the slob?

This is what our country has degenerated to-a bunch of whimps- move over let the slob take control-what a shame

When a slob invades YOUR space its no longer minding your business

[Bonny]

So if a slob sits next to you, who has no manners, and education=why is it upon you to surrender your dignity and space to the slob?

This is what our country has degenerated to-a bunch of whimps- move over let the slob take control-what a shame

When a slob invades YOUR space its no longer minding your business
He's not invading your space. He's in his own space in a chair which he has every right to do. No law against being a slob. The alternative is to move if it bothers you.

[newguyintv]

So if a slob sits next to you, who has no manners, and education=why is it upon you to surrender your dignity and space to the slob?

This is what our country has degenerated to-a bunch of whimps- move over let the slob take control-what a shame

When a slob invades YOUR space its no longer minding your business

If you are at a public place (ie., a bar) It is not your space. The slob, as you describe him has the same right to be there as you do. Perhaps he might think you are an ass for asking the bartender to intercede on your behalf. Just cause you think he's a "slob", doesn't give you any rights in this instance.

[2BNTV]

One of the few times I didn't read every response to this thread but since the OP asked........

I would have moved to avoid the smell and not got myself worked up over some minor episode, but that's me.

I had a previous episode where I mentioned to mgmt that a couple was talking too loud, dancing in front of me at KB's, subsequently ruining a fine performance and they confronted me afterward. It wasn't an audience participation event. They claimed I should have talked to them directly, as they were nice people. Going forward, I would have liked to remove myself from the situation, as one never knows the reaction, of some people. Besides KB's was packed that night with reserved seating, so there was no place, to move to.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Earlier today, my wife and I were at the Taco Bell/KFC on 27/441 having lunch. A man and his wife sat down at the table next to ours and about 5 minutes into their lunch (which they were eating like pigs at the trough), the guy raised up one side just a little and loudly farted. I said "did you seriously just intentionally do that"? He and his wife both giggled and he said "oops". I looked at him and his wife and said, "I guess if you eat like a f'ing pig then you're going to act like a f'ing pig". We stared at each other for about 15 seconds and they then got up and moved across the dining area. That's the first time I've really been that p/o since I've been here. Filthy, nasty people.

[newguyintv]

Earlier today, my wife and I were at the Taco Bell/KFC on 27/441 having lunch. A man and his wife sat down at the table next to ours and about 5 minutes into their lunch (which they were eating like pigs at the trough), the guy raised up one side just a little and loudly farted. I said "did you seriously just intentionally do that"? He and his wife both giggled and he said "oops". I looked at him and his wife and said, "I guess if you eat like a f'ing pig then you're going to act like a f'ing pig". We stared at each other for about 15 seconds and they then got up and moved across the dining area. That's the first time I've really been that p/o since I've been here. Filthy, nasty people.

You should go t better places to eat!

[Barefoot]

So if a slob sits next to you, who has no manners, and education=why is it upon you to surrender your dignity and space to the slob? When a slob invades YOUR space its no longer minding your business

I think you said the man chewing on the cigar was a few chairs away from you.
Please explain to us how you feel he was invading your space? :confused:

[Sandtrap328]

Earlier today, my wife and I were at the Taco Bell/KFC on 27/441 having lunch. A man and his wife sat down at the table next to ours and about 5 minutes into their lunch (which they were eating like pigs at the trough), the guy raised up one side just a little and loudly farted. I said "did you seriously just intentionally do that"? He and his wife both giggled and he said "oops". I looked at him and his wife and said, "I guess if you eat like a f'ing pig then you're going to act like a f'ing pig". We stared at each other for about 15 seconds and they then got up and moved across the dining area. That's the first time I've really been that p/o since I've been here. Filthy, nasty people.

Not too classy - for the action and the reply. :ohdear:

[kcrazorbackfan]

You should go t better places to eat!

Yea, I know, but every once in a while I get a hankering for a cheap taco or some extra crispy chicken. :ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

Trouble seems to follow certain posters.

[Bonny]

Trouble seems to follow certain posters.
Hmmmmm..... my thoughts exactly !!! :ohdear:

[kcrazorbackfan]

Trouble seems to follow certain posters.

Hmmmmm..... my thoughts exactly !!! :ohdear:

Nah, I'm just not a pansy-a** type of person that cowers away from everything. Enjoy your way of life.

[Chi-Town]

Earlier today, my wife and I were at the Taco Bell/KFC on 27/441 having lunch. A man and his wife sat down at the table next to ours and about 5 minutes into their lunch (which they were eating like pigs at the trough), the guy raised up one side just a little and loudly farted. I said "did you seriously just intentionally do that"? He and his wife both giggled and he said "oops". I looked at him and his wife and said, "I guess if you eat like a f'ing pig then you're going to act like a f'ing pig". We stared at each other for about 15 seconds and they then got up and moved across the dining area. That's the first time I've really been that p/o since I've been here. Filthy, nasty people.

What about the guy who got in your face when you tried to keep his cart from being soaked?