Dog snatched by Coyote

[duffysmom]

Local News reports a small dog (Morkie) was snatched from the front yard while out with his owner. The man reported he saw the coyote take the dog but he was unable to do anything.

I have heard of a coyote walking along a villa wall so please be aware.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Sad for the dog and its owner. Everyone that walks their pets in the dark, please be alert.

[justjim]

Duffysmom: What Village did this happen in?

[sandybill2]

Duffysmom: What Village did this happen in?

Village of Belle Aire----house backed up to Glenview Golf Course.

Horrible thing to happen.

We live in Belvedere---we were dog-sitting for our neighbor's Maltipoo---I always leash him when I take him outside. Did so late one evening---about a year ago---I saw him stiffen and look down the street---a coyote was loping around the corner in the street---fortunately when it saw us it turned and went between two houses away from us. I was already headed back in the house with the dog in tow!

[blueeagle65]

Use a leash! :grumpy:

[gerryann]

Take a bat or golf club as well to hit the coyote with. Poor pup.

[Mleeja]

We live by the El Sanitago course and our dog was "spooked" when she went out about 10:00 pm. Was sniffing the air very intently!

[manaboutown]

Coyotes will even eat cats. Yuk! Friends of mine have lost two Siamese cats to them.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Take a bat or golf club as well to hit the coyote with. Poor pup.

One night a couple of weeks ago, I took my two "girls" out late at night before going to bed; they both growled and I saw the hair bristle up on both of them. I never saw anything but I won't take them out now without something to defend us with.

[Northwoods]

This is unbelievably sad. Thank you for posting the details so we can all be more aware when we take out pets out after dark.

[Mishy]

Coyote at noon time in Virginia Trace. Seen again at 9 pm. I called 911, they had me call the wild game commission, who told me I could shoot it pay someone to catch it. Now someone's dog has been killed. We have to do something!

[Sandtrap328]

This is Florida and there are animals that will kill small pets. It doesn't sound as though that dog was on a leash so it is a bitter lesson for others to learn.

Be vigilant when you go outside with your little dog for coyotes, hawks, owls, rattlesnakes, and the very hot pavement for their little feet.

[Chatbrat]

If you can legally carry a gun when walking your dog-do so, coyotes can be shot on sight

[graciegirl]

I really don't agree with that advice.


That very well could endanger folks around you.


This happened at night and the dog was not protected by a leash that could bring him quickly to his owner. First think to do what is more reasonable and don't forget that most wild animals are afraid of humans.


There have been coyotes and foxes in our neighborhoods for years for many of us. I have seen them here and I have seen them in Ohio where we lived.


We can't all get so paranoid and think to do dangerous things.


This is the first time in my life I have EVER heard of a wild animal snatching a pet while the owner was present.

[fromHHDS]

Please everyone, do not take their advice and get out your guns! i am more concerned about poor shooting than a coyote!!

[Lovey2]

Regardless..there have been sightings of these coyotes up at peoples doors and back lanais. Yes, it is time to do something about them. We are NOT living in the wild. Alligators are protected, yet, when they become a nuisance they are trapped and removed or unfortunately killed. If that dog was on a leash I have no doubt that coyote would have attempted to take him anyway. They don't know leashes, and a fight for the poor little thing would have ensued, master and coyote pulling on either side. Yes...I think The Villages needs to get the Wildlife people out here to trap or (sadly) kill these coyotes. I don't advocate killing anything (even the little anoles) but we cannot have residents afraid to go out at night, with or without, their pets. I know of other neighbors that have had cats taken, as well. God forbid a guest was outside with a baby walking!!

[jessicarabitt]

OMG that's awful...my dog looks just like your dog...we own a villa ...which Village are you in? That poor puppy.

[FosterMomma]

I feel terrible for the dog and the owner... so sad!

[Sandtrap328]

I am sure that shooting at a wild animal in the confines of a community of 100,000 people is not legal.

[FosterMomma]

Wow... guns. Really?

[Chi-Town]

If you can legally carry a gun when walking your dog-do so, coyotes can be shot on sight
The gun has to be from Acme.

[tomwed]

The down side of social media is that sometimes it feeds your imagination negatively. Too many conversations are about safety.

How would you advise a seven year old that's afraid to walk their dog, talk to strangers or even go outside just because once in a very great while something bad happens? The internet and cable TV post the bad stories all the time.

And it doesn't help seniors knowing that in a "fight or flight" situation they can't run like a seven year old can.

The good thing about social media is that you get to share your thoughts, even the dumb ones, anonymously with others who also are not home with family sitting at the kitchen table. You are not alone down here. You do have friends who will listen and hopefully not be too quick to judge or too shy to speak up.

[Taltarzac725]

I am sure that shooting at a wild animal in the confines of a community of 100,000 people is not legal.

Brooksville Weapon Charge Defense Lawyer | Firearm Charge Defense Attorney in Hernando County (http://www.aullslaw.com/criminal-law/weapon-and-firearm-charges/)

There are probably Lake, Sumter and Marion as well as City Ordinances against shooting a rifle, pistol, bow and arrow, etc. in populated areas. I have heard gunshots in the distance here in Lynnhaven but the unpopulated areas are still not that far away from some parts of the Villages. I just hope those farmers using them have muzzle discipline.

My heart goes out to the taken dog's owners.

From Marion County's Ordinances--

Sec. 11-1. - Discharge of firearms on public roads, etc.
No person shall discharge firearms on any graded public road, highway or street or knowingly discharge any firearms over any graded public road, highway or street. This section shall not apply to any person lawfully defending life or property or performing any official duties requiring the discharge of firearms, nor shall this section apply in the Ocala National Forest.

(Ord. No. 74-7, §§ 1, 2, 10-2-74)

State Law reference— Discharging firearms in public, F.S. § 790.15.

[HimandMe]

How sad for the little dog. We have lived in Florida a long time and this is the first time we have heard of this. Animal control needs to step up before people get paranoid and scared to walk their pets like we have always done.

[dbussone]

Please everyone, do not take their advice and get out your guns! i am more concerned about poor shooting than a coyote!!


There are coyotes in downtown Boston for goodness sakes. You are so correct. We are closer together here, not each on our own 500 acre farm. And quite honestly, the wildlife here is a good part of what gives The Villages its character.

Just take precautions when we take our animals outside.

[dbussone]

How sad for the little dog. We have lived in Florida a long time and this is the first time we have heard of this. Animal control needs to step up before people get paranoid and scared to walk their pets like we have always done.


Let's see....will that include all the coyotes, alligators, fox, bear, panthers, boar, rattlesnakes, and other potential predators? I think we need to be a little more realistic about the nature of our surroundings. Much of TV has been designed to preserve the wildlife that was here long before we moved in. Perhaps this is not the place for some people but I chose TV in part for it's abundance of natural beauty.

[bluedivergirl]

The gun has to be from Acme.

:1rotfl:

Coyotes have learned to live happily in suburbia. We had lots of 'em in the Twin Cities of MN.

Pay attention to your dog's body language. Like others stated, your dog knows before you do. If I were a dog owner, I'd get a walking stick or some other stout stick, and keep my animal close to me. A good clout on the nose of the coyote will send them running, should they be brave enough to face a human.

[sharoni]

Village News reports a small dog (Morkie) was snatched from the front yard while out with his owner. The man reported he saw the coyote take the dog but he was unable to do anything.

I have heard of a coyote walking along a villa wall so please be aware.

That might have been my post, but it was a bobcat in Charlotte that came into our yard after our cat on the lanai. It jumped about 10-15 feet from the walk to the back wall. It was seen several times walking the wall. So if you have a villa and think your pets are safe, they aren't!

[Sandtrap328]

If you can legally carry a gun when walking your dog-do so, coyotes can be shot on sight

Florida law says only on your own property and that the bullets do not go off your property- and dependent on local rules and regulations.

In a community of 100,000 residents, I sincerely doubt the legality.

[Bonny]

So sad for the little puppy & his owner, but..... PLEASE no guns.
The solution is to keep your pets on a leash and close to you, not with a 20 - 25 foot lead. Had the puppy been on a short leash next to the owner, I doubt the coyote would have come near the dog. And, please, don't let your little kitties outside. If you feel the need, take them on a leash also.
And let's not forget. This was home to these wild animals before we all got here.

[The Buckeyes]

We have two mini Australian and can't imagine how we would feel if this happened to either one or both of them. Very sad for the owner.

[joldnol]

I really don't agree with that advice.


That very well could endanger folks around you.


This happened at night and the dog was not protected by a leash that could bring him quickly to his owner. First think to do what is more reasonable and don't forget that most wild animals are afraid of humans.


There have been coyotes and foxes in our neighborhoods for years for many of us. I have seen them here and I have seen them in Ohio where we lived.


We can't all get so paranoid and think to do dangerous things.


This is the first time in my life I have EVER heard of a wild animal snatching a pet while the owner was present.

I happens all the time. Jessica Simpson had her dog snatched right in front of her.

[joldnol]

So sad for the little puppy & his owner, but..... PLEASE no guns.
The solution is to keep your pets on a leash and close to you, not with a 20 - 25 foot lead. Had the puppy been on a short leash next to the owner, I doubt the coyote would have come near the dog. And, please, don't let your little kitties outside. If you feel the need, take them on a leash also.
And let's not forget. This was home to these wild animals before we all got here.

a leash may help but if the coyote was fearless enough to take the dog with the owner present a leash would have only led to a tug of war. Coyotes are not native to Florida and as with most invasive species need to be eliminated when found.

[chachacha]

i hope some will take the time to find the name of the owner in the Villages News story and send him a note of condolence...he must be devastated. i don't think a leash would have helped. years ago my brother had a pet crow which he had rescued and brought back to health, zach, which stayed on his shoulder and went everywhere with him...one day he hopped down to the patio and a ferral cat swooped in and ran off with him so quickly that even a teenager could not possibly have stopped it. i will never forget my brother's devastation and grief and my inability to console him....so sad for this owner.

[Bonny]

a leash may help but if the coyote was fearless enough to take the dog with the owner present a leash would have only led to a tug of war. Coyotes are not native to Florida and as with most invasive species need to be eliminated when found.
If the puppy was close enough to you, I would think, once you start kicking that coyote, chances are he would take off.

[billethkid]

None of us know the circumstances other than the dog was snatched from their front yard. On or off leash? Out with owner present/not present?
Etc. All is speculation which is fine. However suggested cures or actions to take are really not valid until exactly what happened is known.

Until then safest, most reliable action is using the leash....which too many do not subscribe to......unfortunately.

[Bambi]

If you look at the State of Fl website (wildlife dept), it advises that there have been several attacks on domestic pets by coyotes. Small children are also at risk. If you pick up the child or pet being threatened by a coyote, be prepared to also be attacked as the predator is after the prey. The State recommends that you make noise, wave your arms etc. if threatened.
Other websites recommend carrying wasp spray that has a range of 20 feet or so and consider carrying a golf club or stick.
I have seen a coyote in the Nancy Lopez area and my neighbors have seen them in their yard. When I walk my dog late at night, I turn on all my outdoor lights, close the door loudly and "talk" to the dog so anything out there knows I am there with him. I also stay in the well lighted areas of my front yard.
Not paranoid... Just value my pet and take simple precautions.

[Bonny]

None of us know the circumstances other than the dog was snatched from their front yard. On or off leash? Out with owner present/not present?
Etc. All is speculation which is fine. However suggested cures or actions to take are really not valid until exactly what happened is known.

Until then safest, most reliable action is using the leash....which too many do not subscribe to......unfortunately.
The news report said the owner took the dog out at night like he always does. A coyote snatched the dog and the owner tried to chase it. So the owner was there and it sounds like the dog wasn't on a leash

[Jima64]

If you can legally carry a gun when walking your dog-do so, coyotes can be shot on sight

Can you imagine at night trying to hit a moving coyote. Just how far is this bullet going to travel? Easier to keep your dog on a short leash.

[Sandtrap328]

I happens all the time. Jessica Simpson had her dog snatched right in front of her.

I thought Bart Simpson's sisters are Lisa and Maggie.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Can you imagine at night trying to hit a moving coyote. Just how far is this bullet going to travel? Easier to keep your dog on a short leash.

Mine are on a short leash and I'm pretty spot on accurate with my .380 so if anything gets within 20' - :boom:. If the Sheriff's Dept. shows up, then I'll be at their mercy, but nothing is going to take my two "girls". It's the chance I'll take.

[Taltarzac725]

Mine are on a short leash and I'm pretty spot on accurate with my .380 so if anything gets within 20' - :boom:. If the Sheriff's Dept. shows up, then I'll be at their mercy, but nothing is going to take my two "girls". It's the chance I'll take.

If you have a concealed weapons permit, more power to you. I could not hit a coyote with a pistol and doubt if my 22 hollow point rifle rounds would take one down. And walking with a Winchester type rifle with my pooch is probably not a good idea. And it takes two hands for a slingshot.

Aren't there bear alarms or some such that scare animals away? Of course, that would also terrify the dog you are walking.

I found this article. ​How To Keep Your Pets Safe From Coyotes (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-to-keep-your-pets-safe-from-coyotes-1586728445)

[Chatbrat]

My Fn 57 with a green laser is dead accurate to a 100 yds, if any animal or 2 legged animal is a threat to my loved ones --they will be dealt with. You can always hire a lawyer, you can't hire a life--if our Siamese cat was in jeopardy--I would protect her

[e-flyer]

I happens all the time. Jessica Simpson had her dog snatched right in front of her.

That was 6 years years ago, not exactly all the time.

[kcrazorbackfan]

If you have a concealed weapons permit, more power to you. I could not hit a coyote with a pistol and doubt if my 22 hollow point rifle rounds would take one down. And walking with a Winchester type rifle with my pooch is probably not a good idea. And it takes two hands for a slingshot.

Aren't there bear alarms or some such that scare animals away? Of course, that would also terrify the dog you are walking.

I found this article. ​How To Keep Your Pets Safe From Coyotes (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-to-keep-your-pets-safe-from-coyotes-1586728445)

I do. Thx. for the article.

[Kannon451]

If you can legally carry a gun when walking your dog-do so, coyotes can be shot on sight
I don't believe that for a second. That may be legal in some places, but not in The Villages and not by a private residents.
The concealed carry cadre (CC) here has the answer, gun it down on sight. Easier said than done....
.....The Coyote bursts from the brush and grabs the pet and starts to run. The CC reaches for their trusty weapon, but where, under arm? Small of back?, ankle?......what ever. ...(The Coyote is still running). The CC draws the weapon, but wait, is there a round chambered, is the hammer cocked, is the safety on......think, think. The Coyote at this point is most likely 50 yards away by now. Ok, everything set....FIRE! Whatever is hit at that point won't be the Coyote.

[Duckfinger2]

A good CO2 pallet pistol will do the trick, it will not kill the coyote but will get it's attention.
Or if you are a bow hunter get a predator call set it off and wait !

[dbussone]

A good CO2 pallet pistol will do the trick, it will not kill the coyote but will get it's attention.

Or if you are a bow hunter get a predator call set it off and wait !


Not a bad idea.

[David Moon]

I've seen a fox while walking the dog, but not coyotes.

[dbussone]

I've seen a fox while walking the dog, but not coyotes.


I've seen coyotes numerous times on the streets here (Sanibel) and running in between homes.

[FosterMomma]

I would be devastated if a wild animal got one of my Golden Retrievers... would a fog horn work?

[Kannon451]

Not a bad idea.
pepper spray is another option. But a number of those with concealed carry permits choose the lethal force option. The May also carry pepper spray, I don't know, but whenever a thread gets to crime, personal protection, etc., they always mention their guns as thy first option.
Having such a permit, doesn't guarantee that in a very emotional, Adeline filled scenario, they will have the presence of mind to if they should drew the weapon or how and if to use it.
Frankly, I'm more concerned about these folks walking around the Villages, than I am about lightning strikes, and sink holes.

[dbussone]

pepper spray is another option. But a number of those with concealed carry permits choose the lethal force option. The May also carry pepper spray, I don't know, but whenever a thread gets to crime, personal protection, etc., they always mention their guns as thy first option.

Having such a permit, doesn't guarantee that in a very emotional, Adeline filled scenario, they will have the presence of mind to if they should drew the weapon or how and if to use it.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about these folks walking around the Villages, than I am about lightning strikes, and sink holes.


I agree with you. I have CWP but it is difficult to conceive of a situation in TV where it would be necessary. A pellet gun or pepper spray make far more sense.

EXCEPT KCRaxorbackfan and some others are professionals. I say let them do what they think works.

[Kannon451]

I agree with you. I have CWP but it is difficult to conceive of a situation in TV where it would be necessary. A pellet gun or pepper spray make far more sense.

EXCEPT KCRaxorbackfan and some others are professionals. I say let them do what they think works.

Professionals by definition are more proficient at what they do than novices are and therefor less likely to have accidents. But they do have them. Professional drivers wreck cars as law enforcement people have accidents with their weapons. There is no shortage of examples of that.
To repeat myself, now those individuals are saying they would fire their weapons at an indigenous animal trying to do what it does...survive within the Villages. Why, because it is their dog. This where human emotions and weaknesses come into play. Would they shoot an alligator eating ducks? Probably not, unless of course, the duck was their pet. Professional is just a word. They are not perfect machines, only human with all that that brings.

[kcrazorbackfan]

pepper spray is another option. But a number of those with concealed carry permits choose the lethal force option. The May also carry pepper spray, I don't know, but whenever a thread gets to crime, personal protection, etc., they always mention their guns as thy first option.
Having such a permit, doesn't guarantee that in a very emotional, Adeline filled scenario, they will have the presence of mind to if they should drew the weapon or how and if to use it.
Frankly, I'm more concerned about these folks walking around the Villages, than I am about lightning strikes, and sink holes.

Trust me, don't be outside walking around when it's lightning; this IS the lightning capital. After 25 years of carrying a weapon, a coyote (and neither much anything else) will not get me emotional or adrenaline filled. Pepper spray will just run the coyote off, a bullet insures it will not bother anyone again. My .380 won't be my 1st option; kicking the s**t out of it and breaking something will be. Then....

[Kannon451]

Trust me, don't be outside walking around when it's lightning; this IS the lightning capital. After 25 years of carrying a weapon, a coyote (and neither much anything else) will not get me emotional or adrenaline filled. Pepper spray will just run the coyote off, a bullet insures it will not bother anyone again. My .380 won't be my 1st option; kicking the s**t out of it and breaking something will be. Then....

Truth is, I still think I have a better chance with lightening then being down range from someone emptying their gun trying to hit a coyote running all out in the dark. All the while recovering from the recoil of each shot and adjusting for ever changing elevation and lead distance. (The animal isn't going to stand there so it can be kicked and then shot.
The emotional element I was talking about was if it happened to be that persons own dog/pet. That is undeniable and normal. The emotional element denied is evident here. The coyote only trying to survive. As long as it eats frogs, ducks, etc. it's ok. When it starts eating pet dogs, it needs to be killed so it won't bother anyone again.

[graciegirl]

I don't own a gun but a lot of folks do here. I may want to own a gun sometime in the future if I feel the need to protect myself. I think trying to shoot this coyote is overkill. I think being mindful and protective of our pets will get the job done.

I hope I am right.

[Uberschaf]

I would think discharging a firearm is illegal in TV even at a coyote.

[MDLNB]

If the puppy was close enough to you, I would think, once you start kicking that coyote, chances are he would take off.

Kick a Coyote? Would you kick a German Shepard? Because the coyotes I have seen are much bigger than those in the past. My wife took the trash out and was harassed by a coyote when we lived in NC. It would have attacked her if I had not run outside and shouted at it. It backed off, but slowly and barking. If I would have had my gun with me, I would have shot at it. I would not suggest kicking a coyote unless you want to undergo some rabbi shots. If you have no other recourse, then sure, kick it.

Having a CCW is not for bragging rights. It's for self defense and defense of those near you. I consider an attack by a coyote to warrant self defense. I would consider an attack by a large dog to be self defense. I'd worry about civil violations later. My pets are family and I would defend them. If I had to resort to the use of a gun, I would do so and worry about a fine later. Just my opinion. I wouldn't hunt for coyotes, but I would use the force necessary to protect myself and mine from an attack. To legally have a CCW you must have a knowledge of gun safety and operation. It's not something taken lightly.

They also make an aerosol spray that you could carry when you walk your dog. Some of them are quite effective in repelling wildlife. For those that are afraid of guns, I would suggest that mode of defense. A stick could work on a coyote, if it is not rabid or really hungry. They used to run when shouted at, but seem to be getting braver recently. Generally, coyotes avoid humans, and seek out small meals.

[MDLNB]

I would think discharging a firearm is illegal in TV even at a coyote.

You are probably right in one regard. Just discharging a firearm in TV. However, the exception to those type of rules is self defense. Even so, my pets and family are more important than a fine. Just my opinion.

[MDLNB]

Trust me, don't be outside walking around when it's lightning; this IS the lightning capital. After 25 years of carrying a weapon, a coyote (and neither much anything else) will not get me emotional or adrenaline filled. Pepper spray will just run the coyote off, a bullet insures it will not bother anyone again. My .380 won't be my 1st option; kicking the s**t out of it and breaking something will be. Then....

:agree:

[Chi-Town]

Trust me, don't be outside walking around when it's lightning; this IS the lightning capital. After 25 years of carrying a weapon, a coyote (and neither much anything else) will not get me emotional or adrenaline filled. Pepper spray will just run the coyote off, a bullet insures it will not bother anyone again. My .380 won't be my 1st option; kicking the s**t out of it and breaking something will be. Then....
Go ahead, kick my a$$.

54104

[MDLNB]

Go ahead, kick my a$$.

54104

beautiful animal. Reminds me of my K-9 from the U.S.M.C back in the early '70's

[Taltarzac725]

I would think discharging a firearm is illegal in TV even at a coyote.

Shooting across a road is illegal in the state of Florida. So, as long as the bullet does not cross the road. :1rotfl: Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.15.html) If you are protecting you home or your life or other property, that's an exception even if it crosses roads. There might be cases though on whether or not protecting your pets from wildlife constitutes some kind of defense of property.

Not rendering any legal advice here though just posting some links and random thoughts.

This is useful-- https://www.colliersheriff.org/index.aspx?page=7137

[MDLNB]

Shooting across a road is illegal in the state of Florida. So, as long as the bullet does not cross the road. :1rotfl: Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.15.html) If you are protecting you home or your life or other property, that's an exception even if it crosses roads. There might be cases though on whether or not protecting your pets from wildlife constitutes some kind of defense of property.

Not rendering any legal advice here though just posting some links and random thoughts.

This is useful-- https://www.colliersheriff.org/index.aspx?page=7137

Actually, it isn't the coyote's fault. I mean if one did not have a pet, then it wouldn't be in danger. And wildlife does need to eat, right? Besides, maybe if the pet did not instigate the confrontation, then the coyote would not have found a need to defend itself. "There are not that many hotheads in the Villages fortunately." Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :evil6: The devil made me do it.

[Jima64]

Would you really want to deal with a wayward bullet travelling into another home and hurting someone. My dogs fo out on the leash for evening business right at bedtime. No walks, just get it done and we go back inside.

[tommy steam]

Walk your dog during daylight hours, in the evening let them use you lawn ,than back inside. I have see coyotes in my village of Charlotte last year, walking right up the road. I wouldn't want to be shooting at a coyote and have my round go into someone's home and kill them. Pepper spray if you must .

[MDLNB]

I wouldn't want you shooting if you're that bad a shot, either. It's probably a good idea if you keep your pets inside so they won't become victim to wildlife. Personally, I wouldn't be chasing a coyote down the street, shooting my weapon like Yosemite Sam. I think the theme of the conversation regarding the use of firearms was for protection of self and pet when attacked. If I observe a coyote in the distance, I plan to avoid it. On the other hand, if it enters my property and attacks my family or pet, I will probably shoot it. I love animals so I would probably be less inclined to shoot, rather than chase it off in another manner. But, you have every right to protect yourself. Anyone that says otherwise is not being truthful. I don't carry a stick around with me, but I do carry a CCW. On the other hand, if you fear exercising your pet without some form of protection, spray is probably something to consider. I carry a CCW and my neighbors do not even realize it. That's the idea. I have had guns most of my life and have never found it necessary to shoot wildly into a populated area. We are not talking about drive by shootings here. We are talking of close up protection.

[Justus]

Sad for this pet owner. I hope when Villagers think it's "humane" to feed wildlife, they remember this incident. Feeding birds, squirrels, turtles and ducks in residential areas may make one feel good, but it is destructive, dangerous, and is counterproductive to the natural order of things.

BTW, those who think composting their garden is a good use for garbage should not wonder why the rodent and wildlife population is closing in.

[Mikeod]

A fellow golfer today reported that a coyote was seen in the Winn-Dixie parking lot at Lake Sumter recently. If I remember correctly, that is an area where people are feeding feral cats. Is there a connection there? Is the attempt to help one type of wildlife actually attracting/encouraging a less desirable wildlife?

[CricketCody]

Village News reports a small dog (Morkie) was snatched from the front yard while out with his owner. The man reported he saw the coyote take the dog but he was unable to do anything.


This distraught pet parent was in his own yard with Morkie, his 4-legged companion, when the coyote carried his cherished pet away. How can anyone possibly blame him or offer suggestions as to how he could have prevented this unanticipated event? The anguish Morkie's family will continue to feel and experience for years to come is painful to imagine. He wasn't an irresponsible pet parent exposing his dog to possible danger. He was in his own front yard in a neighborhood of close homes! For as any of us know, he may have even had an invisible fence installed to keep his dog at home. Who cares if his dog was on a leash or not? It just doesn't matter. The anguish is felt by anyone who has ever loved a pet. They are family. We baby them, exercise them, laugh with them. And they provide companionship and unconditional love. How sad that anyone suggests that he could have done something different to protect his most cherished companion ... in his own yard! Tragedy happens. Don't place blame on a grieving soul. They blame themselves enough. Coulda - Shoulda- Woulda. It could have been any one of us with animals we love. I feel his pain. And send out a virtual hug. I'm so sorry to hear about your loss.

[Bonny]

This distraught pet parent was in his own yard with Morkie, his 4-legged companion, when the coyote carried his cherished pet away. How can anyone possibly blame him or offer suggestions as to how he could have prevented this unanticipated event? The anguish Morkie's family will continue to feel and experience for years to come is painful to imagine. He wasn't an irresponsible pet parent exposing his dog to possible danger. He was in his own front yard in a neighborhood of close homes! For as any of us know, he may have even had an invisible fence installed to keep his dog at home. Who cares if his dog was on a leash or not? It just doesn't matter. The anguish is felt by anyone who has ever loved a pet. They are family. We baby them, exercise them, laugh with them. And they provide companionship and unconditional love. How sad that anyone suggests that he could have done something different to protect his most cherished companion ... in his own yard! Tragedy happens. Don't place blame on a grieving soul. They blame themselves enough. Coulda - Shoulda- Woulda. It could have been any one of us with animals we love. I feel his pain. And send out a virtual hug. I'm so sorry to hear about your loss.
To say this so attacking everyone, apparently you did not read all the posts on this thread. This thread shows that everyone here is a pet lover & the majority have pets!

[CricketCody]

Sorry you took it that way. I was only referring to those who are blaming the pet owner. I can just imagine how distraught I would be if something happened to my dog. I take him out every night (on leash) in our yard. But who knows what could happen?

[Taltarzac725]

A fellow golfer today reported that a coyote was seen in the Winn-Dixie parking lot at Lake Sumter recently. If I remember correctly, that is an area where people are feeding feral cats. Is there a connection there? Is the attempt to help one type of wildlife actually attracting/encouraging a less desirable wildlife?

Actually we had some feral cats in the neighborhood and it seems that coyotes probably got them along with most of the rabbits.

[Bonny]

Sorry you took it that way. I was only referring to those who are blaming the pet owner. I can just imagine how distraught I would be if something happened to my dog. I take him out every night (on leash) in our yard. But who knows what could happen?
The discussion was not blaming the pet owner. We are all devastated for his loss. We are discussing what may prevent something like that happening.

[Taltarzac725]

Actually, it isn't the coyote's fault. I mean if one did not have a pet, then it wouldn't be in danger. And wildlife does need to eat, right? Besides, maybe if the pet did not instigate the confrontation, then the coyote would not have found a need to defend itself. "There are not that many hotheads in the Villages fortunately." Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :evil6: The devil made me do it.

Cannot follow the logic in this?

A few years ago there was a coyote crossing Churchill Downs towards the Lynnhaven Postal Center where I was walking Sport a chihuahua/terrier mix. This was about 7:45 AM. I just watched the coyote cross the street about 25 feet from us and then run as fast as it could across the golf course where some of the early golfers got quite a surprise.

I was going to pick Sport up as soon as the coyote got close and start screaming at it but it never came close than 25 feet from us.

It looked like a very long legged skinny German Shepherd.

I probably posted about it on TOTV.

The only weapon I had was my ring of keys which can be effective if you go for the eyes but I never took those out either as the coyote never got close enough. No big rocks available either.

[Taltarzac725]

Village News reports a small dog (Morkie) was snatched from the front yard while out with his owner. The man reported he saw the coyote take the dog but he was unable to do anything.

I have heard of a coyote walking along a villa wall so please be aware.

I do not think I could have done anything if I were in this man's shoes. I do feel for the dog owner.

[Justus]

I wouldn't want you shooting if you're that bad a shot, either. It's probably a good idea if you keep your pets inside so they won't become victim to wildlife. Personally, I wouldn't be chasing a coyote down the street, shooting my weapon like Yosemite Sam. I think the theme of the conversation regarding the use of firearms was for protection of self and pet when attacked. If I observe a coyote in the distance, I plan to avoid it. On the other hand, if it enters my property and attacks my family or pet, I will probably shoot it. I love animals so I would probably be less inclined to shoot, rather than chase it off in another manner. But, you have every right to protect yourself. Anyone that says otherwise is not being truthful. I don't carry a stick around with me, but I do carry a CCW. On the other hand, if you fear exercising your pet without some form of protection, spray is probably something to consider. I carry a CCW and my neighbors do not even realize it. That's the idea. I have had guns most of my life and have never found it necessary to shoot wildly into a populated area. We are not talking about drive by shootings here. We are talking of close up protection.

:coolsmiley:

[summerhill]

Twice I have seen coyotes, one trotting down Belvedere, near the library and another on Rio Grande. These sightings were a couple of years ago. They have been here a long time. I also have a friend who's small dog was killed by a coyote on Pelican golf course. This was before talk of the villages. Take care of your furry friends.

[Sandtrap328]

I wouldn't want you shooting if you're that bad a shot, either. It's probably a good idea if you keep your pets inside so they won't become victim to wildlife. Personally, I wouldn't be chasing a coyote down the street, shooting my weapon like Yosemite Sam. I think the theme of the conversation regarding the use of firearms was for protection of self and pet when attacked. If I observe a coyote in the distance, I plan to avoid it. On the other hand, if it enters my property and attacks my family or pet, I will probably shoot it. I love animals so I would probably be less inclined to shoot, rather than chase it off in another manner. But, you have every right to protect yourself. Anyone that says otherwise is not being truthful. I don't carry a stick around with me, but I do carry a CCW. On the other hand, if you fear exercising your pet without some form of protection, spray is probably something to consider. I carry a CCW and my neighbors do not even realize it. That's the idea. I have had guns most of my life and have never found it necessary to shoot wildly into a populated area. We are not talking about drive by shootings here. We are talking of close up protection.

Actually, it would not be legal to shoot at that coyote if you are not on your own property. I understand what you wrote about protection for your pet but take a shot with your pistol at a coyote off of your property and you very well might find yourself with a sizable fine and loss of your CCW and permit.

Better opt for the can of wasp spray.

[birdawg]

A fellow golfer today reported that a coyote was seen in the Winn-Dixie parking lot at Lake Sumter recently. If I remember correctly, that is an area where people are feeding feral cats. Is there a connection there? Is the attempt to help one type of wildlife actually attracting/encouraging a less desirable wildlife?

Maybe he's eating the cats.

[Bogie Shooter]

How sad for the little dog. We have lived in Florida a long time and this is the first time we have heard of this. Animal control needs to step up before people get paranoid and scared to walk their pets like we have always done.

Lived in FL long time...first time. So why should people get paranoid?
The only paranoids are the wild posters on here!

[Bogie Shooter]

Mine are on a short leash and I'm pretty spot on accurate with my .380 so if anything gets within 20' - :boom:. If the Sheriff's Dept. shows up, then I'll be at their mercy, but nothing is going to take my two "girls". It's the chance I'll take.

Warn your neighbors, now.

[Bogie Shooter]

My Fn 57 with a green laser is dead accurate to a 100 yds, if any animal or 2 legged animal is a threat to my loved ones --they will be dealt with. You can always hire a lawyer, you can't hire a life--if our Siamese cat was in jeopardy--I would protect her

Firing a weapon, 100 yards in The Villages? Where are we going?

[tommy steam]

Cannot follow the logic in this?

A few years ago there was a coyote crossing Churchill Downs towards the Lynnhaven Postal Center where I was walking Sport a chihuahua/terrier mix. This was about 7:45 AM. I just watched the coyote cross the street about 25 feet from us and then run as fast as it could across the golf course where some of the early golfers got quite a surprise.

I was going to pick Sport up as soon as the coyote got close and start screaming at it but it never came close than 25 feet from us.

It looked like a very long legged skinny German Shepherd.

I probably posted about it on TOTV.

The only weapon I had was my ring of keys which can be effective if you go for the eyes but I never took those out either as the coyote never got close enough. No big rocks available either.
Can you imagine someone close by you when that coyote was running as fast as it could and that person pulled out his pistol and started shooting at it? You think they would be able to hit that running coyote? Chances are they wouldn't but they might hit something or someone.

[MDLNB]

Actually, it would not be legal to shoot at that coyote if you are not on your own property. I understand what you wrote about protection for your pet but take a shot with your pistol at a coyote off of your property and you very well might find yourself with a sizable fine and loss of your CCW and permit.

Better opt for the can of wasp spray.

CCW is a permit to carry for PROTECTION. You do NOT have to be on your own property to protect yourself. That does not mean for use on people only. You may get a fine if you miss, because you will have a hard time explaining WHY you discharged a firearm. However, if you have a dead coyote laying there, I doubt you will be charged. Everyone has the right to protect themselves, family and any other helpless person. Protection does not have to be from another person. I don't know about you, but if someone wants to charge me for protecting myself and my pet happens to be there, then so be it. I'll deal with the charge. Apparently, some folks think that a coyote can't harm you, but they are as dangerous as a feral dog and can cause serious injury or death. I had them run through my yard daily in NC and even had them attempt to attack my wife on one occasion. I have friends that lost their dog to a coyote before they could run inside and get their rifle. Children have been attacked and injured before the parent was able to assist. Most of the time a coyote will run away if you shout at them, but there is always that one time when they are more hungry than afraid. I've seen them chase down and kill deer.

You can go ahead and try to scare/warn others about being charged for using their CCW, but any responsible person with a CCW will protect first and then worry about the legality later. No reasonable person is going to "shoot up the neighborhood" when they see a coyote passing through.

Like I said in an earlier post, I recommend carrying a spray, if you are adamantly against guns. Make sure it is a spray that will deter the animal because some agents will only make them mad.

But, how often do you spot a coyote in the Villages anyway? And even then, how often would you experience an attack? I have been carrying a CCW for decades, but have never had the need to use it in self defense. So, don't panic because you are worried about those of us the quietly carry.

[MDLNB]

Can you imagine someone close by you when that coyote was running as fast as it could and that person pulled out his pistol and started shooting at it? You think they would be able to hit that running coyote? Chances are they wouldn't but they might hit something or someone.

You're probably right, because a running coyote is hard to hit. Even with a rifle. But, I doubt you need worry about a person pulling out a pistol and start shooting at it. Anyone that has a legal permit to carry, has also passed a gun safety course. Have you heard of anyone else shooting up the Villages? How many permits do you think are currently in possession in The Villages? No need to panic. In my case, if I see a coyote, I doubt I would even react unless it attacked me or my pet. When it comes to wildlife, I believe in live and let live as long as it doesn't create a problem. So, protect your pets with a stick, spray or kick the predator if you wish(good luck on that). Whatever makes you feel confident. I'm sure that if you feel that we are being over run by them, animal control would trap and move them to another location. Just a guess.

[MDLNB]

Cannot follow the logic in this?

A few years ago there was a coyote crossing Churchill Downs towards the Lynnhaven Postal Center where I was walking Sport a chihuahua/terrier mix. This was about 7:45 AM. I just watched the coyote cross the street about 25 feet from us and then run as fast as it could across the golf course where some of the early golfers got quite a surprise.

I was going to pick Sport up as soon as the coyote got close and start screaming at it but it never came close than 25 feet from us.

It looked like a very long legged skinny German Shepherd.

I probably posted about it on TOTV.

The only weapon I had was my ring of keys which can be effective if you go for the eyes but I never took those out either as the coyote never got close enough. No big rocks available either.

I was teasing you. I was being facetious. chilout

[Taltarzac725]

Coyotes attack Kent man walking his dog | Q13 FOX News (http://q13fox.com/2012/12/30/pack-of-wild-coyotes-attack-kent-man-walking-his-dog/)

I found this interesting.

I have only seen three coyotes though in the more than ten years we have been in the Villages. And despite a few week long trips to Palm Harbor or the DC area, I have been here all that time.

What about a golf club for carrying and fighting off a coyote?

Screaming at it sounds like the best first option. But if it approached a golf club would make a pretty good weapon and you could use it with one hand and not have to worry about shooting wild. And many Villagers seem to be adept with golf clubs.

[Chi-Town]

Coyotes attack Kent man walking his dog | Q13 FOX News (http://q13fox.com/2012/12/30/pack-of-wild-coyotes-attack-kent-man-walking-his-dog/)

I found this interesting.

I have only seen three coyotes though in the more than ten years we have been in the Villages. And despite a few week long trips to Palm Harbor or the DC area, I have been here all that time.

What about a golf club for carrying and fighting off a coyote?

Screaming at it sounds like the best first option. But if it approached a golf club would make a pretty good weapon and you could use it with one hand and not have to worry about shooting wild. And many Villagers seem to be adept with golf clubs.
Citing a three year old article from the state of Washington shows how rarely a coyote/human engagement takes place. As far as as a golf club defense goes, only if it is a dog leg left.

[MDLNB]

Coyotes attack Kent man walking his dog | Q13 FOX News (http://q13fox.com/2012/12/30/pack-of-wild-coyotes-attack-kent-man-walking-his-dog/)

I found this interesting.

I have only seen three coyotes though in the more than ten years we have been in the Villages. And despite a few week long trips to Palm Harbor or the DC area, I have been here all that time.

What about a golf club for carrying and fighting off a coyote?

Screaming at it sounds like the best first option. But if it approached a golf club would make a pretty good weapon and you could use it with one hand and not have to worry about shooting wild. And many Villagers seem to be adept with golf clubs.

The way I swing a golf club, I think you would rather I discharged a weapon.

[Taltarzac725]

In-depth look at coyote conflicts (http://urbancoyoteresearch.com/coyote-conflicts-research-perspective)

Here's a link for information on frequency of attacks by coyotes on pets. It is for Chicagoland though.

[MDLNB]

In-depth look at coyote conflicts (http://urbancoyoteresearch.com/coyote-conflicts-research-perspective)

Here's a link for information on frequency of attacks by coyotes on pets. It is for Chicagoland though.

Are you attempting to study their motivation for attacking pets, or what?

[Taltarzac725]

Are you attempting to study their motivation for attacking pets, or what?

They are hungry would be my guess.

I will probably just continue doing what I do with my pet. I do carry a rather heavy flashlight that is a good club if it comes to that.

Maybe, I will buy a dog whistle too. Dog saved from jaws of coyote by quick-thinking owner, whistle | www.theacorn.com | The Acorn (http://www.theacorn.com/news/2007-06-28/community/028.html)

[MDLNB]

They are hungry would be my guess.

I will probably just continue doing what I do with my pet. I do care a rather heavy flashlight that is a good club if it comes to that.

Maybe, I will buy a dog whistle too. Dog saved from jaws of coyote by quick-thinking owner, whistle | www.theacorn.com | The Acorn (http://www.theacorn.com/news/2007-06-28/community/028.html)

Or, how about playing a guitar and singing "Yellow Submarine?" Just kidding.

[Bambi]

After reading a few web articles re: hazing and discouraging coyotes and noting that use of an air horn was recommended and highly effective if approached by a coyote, I went to the large party supply store on 441. I purchased a small pocket size horn good for 200 blasts. I then put it in a small draw string closing bag with the horn top projecting out and attached it with a zip tie to my dog leash. Unobtrusive, always with us on walks and simple to use. The horn was ten dollars....small investment. Same horn is available on Amazon....the party store had about eight horns left.

[tomwed]

I like your proactive solution. Anyone else all around you will also get a heads up.

It could also be used for SOS when all else fails.

"If you use a car's horn [or a personal security alarm], it'd be three short blasts, three long blasts, three short blasts - pause - repeat."

[Taltarzac725]

I like your proactive solution. Anyone else all around you will also get a heads up.

It could also be used for SOS when all else fails.

"If you use a car's horn [or a personal security alarm], it'd be three short blasts, three long blasts, three short blasts - pause - repeat."

The articles I have read say dog whistle or air horn. The dog whistle looks like it will be easier to carry on a string around my neck or some other kind of noose like object. On a key chain too. Or, in a pocket.

I ordered one today online. A dog whistle. Dog Whistle, Keychain Dog Whistle, Dog Whistle to Call Dogs,www.keepdoggiesafe.com (http://www.keepdoggiesafe.com/dog-whistle.html?gclid=CNjhjqrAqccCFcwXHwod3nINyQ)

[MDLNB]

The articles I have read say dog whistle or air horn. The dog whistle looks like it will be easier to carry on a string around my neck or some other kind of noose like object. On a key chain too. Or, in a pocket.

I ordered one today online. A dog whistle. Dog Whistle, Keychain Dog Whistle, Dog Whistle to Call Dogs,www.keepdoggiesafe.com (http://www.keepdoggiesafe.com/dog-whistle.html?gclid=CNjhjqrAqccCFcwXHwod3nINyQ)

Be careful, because silent dog whistles don't work on all dogs, so they may not work on all coyotes. You may be better off with the fog horn idea or Bear repellent spray. Of course, on the other hand, maybe your dog whistle will call friendly dogs to you and distract the coyote. :a20:

[Taltarzac725]

The articles I have read say dog whistle or air horn. The dog whistle looks like it will be easier to carry on a string around my neck or some other kind of noose like object. On a key chain too. Or, in a pocket.

I ordered one today online. A dog whistle. Dog Whistle, Keychain Dog Whistle, Dog Whistle to Call Dogs,www.keepdoggiesafe.com (http://www.keepdoggiesafe.com/dog-whistle.html?gclid=CNjhjqrAqccCFcwXHwod3nINyQ)

This is a loud whistle.

I also just ordered a silent one.

And I know that what works on one coyote may not work on another.

[MDLNB]

Either way, hopefully you will never have occasion to use it. :pray:

[RonaldMSteinberg]

Sad for the dog and its owner. Everyone that walks their pets in the dark, please be alert.

So sorry, Gene.

Ron

[prbabyprincess]

This is what I hate about the villages,we cannot fence our yards f or our protection and our dogs.In my house,I cannot go out to the lanai because my back door neighbor sits all day smoking in hers and have a large dog that at t a c k everyone who goes by.I am allergic to smoke,so lanai is out for me to enjoy.We have huge cats,possums,rats as big as the ones in NY,rabbits,snakes and once we have an alligator who walk away from the lake.

[Bonny]

This is what I hate about the villages,we cannot fence our yards f or our protection and our dogs.In my house,I cannot go out to the lanai because my back door neighbor sits all day smoking in hers and have a large dog that at t a c k everyone who goes by.I am allergic to smoke,so lanai is out for me to enjoy.We have huge cats,possums,rats as big as the ones in NY,rabbits,snakes and once we have an alligator who walk away from the lake.
These are all things we know before we even buy here.

[Taltarzac725]

This is hearsay. I was walking in Lynnhaven near the Postal Center and a woman I know from these journeys told me that a cat had gone missing and the owner could not find it for a few days. Then she found it extremely torn up and dumped near her house. The home owner had also noticed the ripped into lanai screen a few days after her cat disappeared.

Again, this is from someone who is probably getting it from someone else.

I had thought coyotes take their prey away and eat it and do not bring it back? Bobcat? My fellow Lynnhaven dog walker had told me that there had been sightings of a Bobcat.

I suppose this could be a very nasty "Fatal Attraction" type neighbor dispute but there was no indication that was the case.

[Bonny]

This is hearsay. I was walking in Lynnhaven near the Postal Center and a woman I know from these journeys told me that a cat had gone missing and the owner could not find it for a few days. Then she found it extremely torn up and dumped near her house. The home owner had also noticed the ripped into lanai screen a few days after her cat disappeared.

Again, this is from someone who is probably getting it from someone else.

I had thought coyotes take their prey away and eat it and do not bring it back? Bobcat? My fellow Lynnhaven dog walker had told me that there had been sightings of a Bobcat.

I suppose this could be a very nasty "Fatal Attraction" type neighbor dispute but there was no indication that was the case.
It's funny sometimes how we hear these stories. I heard a similar story from someone that heard from someone that it happened Hadley.

[David Moon]

Florida is full of critters, there's just no around it. And the habits of your close neighbors (like leaving dog food or bird seed out) can attract animals like rats... rats have been a big issue in our neighborhood off and on.

I've only seen a fox, or perhaps a small coyote, once... and it was chasing a rabbit. It saw me and the dog, then ran off.

[Sandtrap328]

This is what I hate about the villages,we cannot fence our yards f or our protection and our dogs.In my house,I cannot go out to the lanai because my back door neighbor sits all day smoking in hers and have a large dog that at t a c k everyone who goes by.I am allergic to smoke,so lanai is out for me to enjoy.We have huge cats,possums,rats as big as the ones in NY,rabbits,snakes and once we have an alligator who walk away from the lake.

Like others have said, you knew about the prohibition of fenced yards before you bought here. A glassed in lanai would solve the smoke problem. You could probably make a profit on your home and find a better suited site in The Villages, too.

I have been here full time for 6 years. I have seen one cat by my lanai, no possums, no rats, some rabbits and two resident snakes. I like the rabbits and the two snakes. No raccoons, no coyotes, but quite a few cougars at Katie Belle's! Got to be careful, those cougars hunt in packs.

[Taltarzac725]

It's funny sometimes how we hear these stories. I heard a similar story from someone that heard from someone that it happened Hadley.

I had thought it might be something like that.

Some of the story does not make any sense like why you would not notice a rip in your lanai screen big enough to drag a cat through as well as to fit whatever dragged the pet through that space. Supposedly, the cat was missing for days and then found pretty much unrecognizable as a cat.

I did look rather speculatively at the woman who told me this. Sometimes all that reading of philosophers for my BA degree makes me a little too critical for my own good. Then to top that off with a Law Degree and two more degrees between these. I do not know if the woman I talked to about this story is on TOTV or on Facebook or not. So, I often wonder if this is so-and-so from Talk of the Villages. And even though I know real names from Facebook I have way too many friends on Facebook to always match a name with a face.

[Happy Villager 1]

The incident with the cat taken from the lanai did occur twice! The first one happened in The Village of Caroline to our friend. Her cat loved to be on the lanai and she was in the kitchen preparing dinner when she heard a noise. She went to the lanai and there was a hole in the screen and her cat was missing. She thought her cat got out on it's own perhaps trying to get at a bird. She even posted a lost cat ad in the Daily Sun. Now it has happened again only this time they found the cat's collar and some fur. This was told to me by a neighbor that knows the person this happened to. No one knows what type of animal did it. We have to be very proactive in protecting our pets with so much wild life around us. I for one am glad people talk so that we can all be made aware of what could happen.

[tomwed]

I suppose there is a way to make a black wooden framed insert with chicken wire that fits in the bottom of the lanai opening that is close to invisible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTe93kY7TrQ

Instead of a metal frame you make a wooden frame.
Instead of screen material you use chicken wire.
The screen goes on the bottom of the lanai behind the existing screen. If it's black and a tight fit I don't think it would be noticeable.

[FosterMomma]

I didn't understand any of that

[Taltarzac725]

The incident with the cat taken from the lanai did occur twice! The first one happened in The Village of Caroline to our friend. Her cat loved to be on the lanai and she was in the kitchen preparing dinner when she heard a noise. She went to the lanai and there was a hole in the screen and her cat was missing. She thought her cat got out on it's own perhaps trying to get at a bird. She even posted a lost cat ad in the Daily Sun. Now it has happened again only this time they found the cat's collar and some fur. This was told to me by a neighbor that knows the person this happened to. No one knows what type of animal did it. We have to be very proactive in protecting our pets with so much wild life around us. I for one am glad people talk so that we can all be made aware of what could happen.

Thanks for that information.

[tomwed]

I didn't understand any of that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTe93kY7TrQ

Instead of a metal frame you make a wooden frame.
Instead of screen material you use chicken wire.
The screen goes on the bottom of the lanai behind the existing screen. If it's black and a tight fit I don't think it would be noticeable.

It is a lot of work.

[glogeo]

I would like more info on these coyotes. Does this happen mostly during certain times of the year or year round? Does it happen during the day, or only at night ? Is there something like Mace that will scare them away? I'm short - I cannot imagine holding my dog's leash, a little bag, my keys, and being able to hit a wild animal with a bat (without letting loose of the leash.)
Thanks so much.

[mikeandnancy1112]

Because of the recent incident of the coyote taking that precious dog, I now wear my hubby's whistle, when he was a cop, around my neck when I take our little Roxi out. And always, always her leash is used! Also, my hubby wears it when he takes her out too. This whistle will definitely scare off any animal who might approach her.

[glogeo]

Lived here since 2001 and this is the first I've heard of this issue, too.

[glogeo]

Great idea !!! My husband was a cop, too. Thank you so much !

[Sandtrap328]

The incident with the cat taken from the lanai did occur twice! The first one happened in The Village of Caroline to our friend. Her cat loved to be on the lanai and she was in the kitchen preparing dinner when she heard a noise. She went to the lanai and there was a hole in the screen and her cat was missing. She thought her cat got out on it's own perhaps trying to get at a bird. She even posted a lost cat ad in the Daily Sun. Now it has happened again only this time they found the cat's collar and some fur. This was told to me by a neighbor that knows the person this happened to. No one knows what type of animal did it..

That is terrible! I am glad I have a glassed in lanai.

[Taltarzac725]

Because of the recent incident of the coyote taking that precious dog, I now wear my hubby's whistle, when he was a cop, around my neck when I take our little Roxi out. And always, always her leash is used! Also, my hubby wears it when he takes her out too. This whistle will definitely scare off any animal who might approach her.

My loud whistle arrived today in the mail. I suppose a cop's whistle or coach's whistle would also work. I also ordered a silent whistle. If one does not work, I will go for the other one.

[Chi-Town]

For those of who have suggested shooting, kicking, and clubbing coyotes you have a long way to go to top this ardent detractor. And, unfortunately, there is a lesson to be learned.

Palatine man shoots dog - tribunedigital-chicagotribune (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-13/news/chi-palatine-man-shoots-dog-20130213_1_deer-carcass-coyotes-palatine-man)

[tomwed]

It looks like it's a good time to be in the enclosing a lanai business. Last year at this time it was a good time to be in the pool installation busines!!!.*sarc last year we had a guy who couldn't keep his bathing suit up at the public pools

[rubicon]

People get a grip/ Incidents like this are likely to happen once and while. Heck there sighting coyotes in big cities up north. This thread is heading to a near panic.

[Taltarzac725]

For those of who have suggested shooting, kicking, and clubbing coyotes you have a long way to go to top this ardent detractor. And, unfortunately, there is a lesson to be learned.

Palatine man shoots dog - tribunedigital-chicagotribune (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-13/news/chi-palatine-man-shoots-dog-20130213_1_deer-carcass-coyotes-palatine-man)

Poor dog. People who use lethal force weapons should have some common sense.

[steve.oab]

i kill coyotes. if you want help, shoot me a message.

[Chi-Town]

i kill coyotes. if you want help, shoot me a message.
Funny.

[Sandtrap328]

People get a grip/ Incidents like this are likely to happen once and while. Heck there sighting coyotes in big cities up north. This thread is heading to a near panic.

You are right!

Of course, there is always the idea of wrapping your little dog completely in bubble wrap - with a hole near the tail.

[Chi-Town]

In Arlington Heights IL, a northwest suburb of Chicago where I used to live, coyotes moved in to one of the golf courses there. Sadly a coyote snatched a little dog from the back yard of a house on the course. Understandably there was public outcry, and a decision was made to trap and collar the coyotes and move them to a far away location. What happened was they came back (minus the ones hit by a car) as they are territorial. After that a directive came out stating that we had to live with them, and keep your dog on a leash, no outside food, etc. BTW, that was eight years ago, and coyotes are still in the area. They and we have adapted.

[tomwed]

In Arlington Heights IL, a northwest suburb of Chicago where I used to live, coyotes moved in to one of the golf courses there. Sadly a coyote snatched a little dog from the back yard of a house on the course. Understandably there was public outcry, and a decision was made to trap and collar the coyotes and move them to a far away location. What happened was they came back (minus the ones hit by a car) as they are territorial. After that a directive came out stating that we had to live with them, and keep your dog on a leash, no outside food, etc. BTW, that was eight years ago, and coyotes are still in the area. They and we have adapted.
Did you have plastic garbage bags put out on the lawn the night before pick-up like we do? My hunch is that if the bags are not being torn up by critters than there can't be too many critters.

[rubicon]

Did you have plastic garbage bags put out on the lawn the night before pick-up like we do? My hunch is that if the bags are not being torn up by critters than there can't be too many critters.

The fact is i had a heck of a problem with my garbage bags being ripped apart especially when we disposed of chicken carcasses. I am a very early riser and so to my surprised the culprit was a feral cat. We had a meeting of minds that morning and the cat moved on

If Orlando can be visited by black bear clearly The Villages isn't under a dome and i don't believe encounters with nature are any more or less than most places.

[CFrance]

You are right!

Of course, there is always the idea of wrapping your little dog completely in bubble wrap - with a hole near the tail.
Two holes. Don't forget the nose. Otherwise how would he meet other dogs?

[Chi-Town]

Did you have plastic garbage bags put out on the lawn the night before pick-up like we do? My hunch is that if the bags are not being torn up by critters than there can't be too many critters.


They now have provided each house with heavy duty large garbage receptables on wheels. No more bags.

54202

[Taltarzac725]

They now have provided each house with heavy duty large garbage receptables on wheels. No more bags.

54202

Wish they would do that here.

[Walt.]

My loud whistle arrived today in the mail. I suppose a cop's whistle or coach's whistle would also work. I also ordered a silent whistle. If one does not work, I will go for the other one.

If the silent whistle doesn't work... how do you know?

[CFrance]

If the silent whistle doesn't work... how do you know?
The coyote doesn't run away.

[skyc6]

Carry a flashlight and have your dog on a leash. Maybe a phone with music playing. A coyote will not like light or sound.

[Chi-Town]

If the silent whistle doesn't work... how do you know?
Funny.

[tomwed]

Wish they would do that here.
I wouldn't want a giant trash can in my garage. But I don't have a problem with putting out the trash early in the morning. And when I miss it, it's not a big deal to wait a couple of days. It has to be difficult for the critters to get food and plastic bags out all night makes it easy. Let them hide in the woods and get their meals out there.

[CFrance]

I wouldn't want a giant trash can in my garage. But I don't have a problem with putting out the trash early in the morning. And when I miss it, it's not a big deal to wait a couple of days. It has to be difficult for the critters to get food and plastic bags out all night makes it easy. Let them hide in the woods and get their meals out there.
Agree with not wanting trash cans. Designer garages are not very roomy. We wait and put our trash/recycle out in the morning. Why not?

[Taltarzac725]

If the silent whistle doesn't work... how do you know?

My dog will re-act along with the coyote. Kind of a problem. You will have to keep a tight hold on your dog when you are blowing either of these whistles and probably a great deal more so if you are shooting a gun unless your dog is a hunting dog used to the sound of gunfire.

[suzdief]

I'm in the Village of Caroline. Saw a coyote Thursday night at 10:00 pm when I took my dog out. My neighbor saw one several weeks ago (probably the same one) and after that another neighbor's two cat went missing. This is happening a little too much lately and I think something needs to be done about it.

[tomwed]

An easy start would be not putting out the trash the night before.

[suzdief]

I always put my trash out the morning of pickup. It's sometimes difficult to convince the neighbors to do the same.
Started taking my dog out a little earlier, ordered a whistle and will take a golf club out in the evening with us. I just lost one dog to a brain tumor in March and I'm not ready or willing to lose another to a coyote.

[tomwed]

I always put my trash out the morning of pickup. It's sometimes difficult to convince the neighbors to do the same.
Started taking my dog out a little earlier, ordered a whistle and will take a golf club out in the evening with us. I just lost one dog to a brain tumor in March and I'm not ready or willing to lose another to a coyote.

I don't own a dog so forgive me if this is naive because you can't plan these things.

I wonder if people who are anxious about walking their dogs would be less anxious joining others in a late night neighborhood group walk. From my lanai I only see 1 or 2 dogs and 1 owner throughout the day.

[CFrance]

I always put my trash out the morning of pickup. It's sometimes difficult to convince the neighbors to do the same.
Started taking my dog out a little earlier, ordered a whistle and will take a golf club out in the evening with us. I just lost one dog to a brain tumor in March and I'm not ready or willing to lose another to a coyote.
Suzdief, so sorry about your loss. I hope your other one remains safe & healthy.

Tomwed, sometimes walking dogs together can turn into a Chinese fire drill. Sometimes they get so caught up in playing with each other that they forget one of the purposes of the walk. And sometimes it works out beautifully. You never know, but I think you have an idea to consider.

[Sandtrap328]

I'm in the Village of Caroline. Saw a coyote Thursday night at 10:00 pm when I took my dog out. My neighbor saw one several weeks ago (probably the same one) and after that another neighbor's two cat went missing. This is happening a little too much lately and I think something needs to be done about it.

A neighbor's two cats went missing? Were they loose outside the house - which is against rules? Whose fault is that?

A person sees a coyote? Something has to be done? No!

I have lived here 6 years and have seen a few coyotes, some rattlesnakes, lots of hawks and eagles, and there has only been this one dog taken by a coyote that I know about.

No need to panic, carry weapons of any type, or ask that wildlife be trapped.

This is Florida and the Developers left lots of natural areas for various wildlife to flourish.

Just do not let your dogs or cats run free without a leash. Problem solved!

[Taltarzac725]

A neighbor's two cats went missing? Were they loose outside the house - which is against rules? Whose fault is that?

A person sees a coyote? Something has to be done? No!

I have lived here 6 years and have seen a few coyotes, some rattlesnakes, lots of hawks and eagles, and there has only been this one dog taken by a coyote that I know about.

No need to panic, carry weapons of any type, or ask that wildlife be trapped.

This is Florida and the Developers left lots of natural areas for various wildlife to flourish.

Just do not let your dogs or cats run free without a leash. Problem solved!

The two cats were ripped out of the lanais by creatures as yet unidentified. One was found almost unrecognizable as a cat. This was in Lynnhaven near the Postal Center for the 2nd cat according to scuttlebutt around the postal center. The other incident was further south.

[Jima64]

I don't own a dog so forgive me if this is naive because you can't plan these things.

I wonder if people who are anxious about walking their dogs would be less anxious joining others in a late night neighborhood group walk. From my lanai I only see 1 or 2 dogs and 1 owner throughout the day.

My two small dogs go out just off the porch with me and then back in. No late night walks. I say do your business, they usually do and in we go.

[kittygilchrist]

I'm in the Village of Caroline. Saw a coyote Thursday night at 10:00 pm when I took my dog out. My neighbor saw one several weeks ago (probably the same one) and after that another neighbor's two cat went missing. This is happening a little too much lately and I think something needs to be done about it.

I agree, Suz...
I did some research...

Coyotes are listed as nuisance wildlife with Fish and Wildlife and can be trapped for a fee of $75, I was told by a local trapper who takes nuisance gators here.
With 3 animals taken by an apparent nuisance carnivore, I think we should take action. The best I can determine after ofc hours, is that Dave Burgess, VCDD Property Mgt, is the go to guy to make a complaint.

I know there is a history of both wild hogs and gators being removed from TV.
Below is contact info for Burgess. I hope those of you with first hand info will call or email him.

Phone 352-753-4508, please! Or use email in this website:

VCDD District Property Management (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/District-Property-Management/district-property-management.aspx)

And please post any future sightings to this thread or start another one.

[Taltarzac725]

I agree, Suz...
I did some research...

Coyotes are listed as nuisance wildlife with Fish and Wildlife and can be trapped for a fee of $75, I was told by a local trapper who takes nuisance gators here.
With 3 animals taken by an apparent nuisance carnivore, I think we should take action. The best I can determine after ofc hours, is that Dave Burgess, VCDD Property Mgt, is the go to guy to make a complaint.

I know there is a history of both wild hogs and gators being removed from TV.
Below is contact info for Burgess. I hope those of you with first hand info will call or email him.

Phone 352-753-4508, please! Or use email in this website:

VCDD District Property Management (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/District-Property-Management/district-property-management.aspx)

And please post any future sightings to this thread or start another one.

I think it is a nuisance number of coyotes from where they were taken. Unless that is, one is ranging quite widely. You have Glenview Golf Course area for one, Lynnhaven near Churchill Downs Rec Center for another, and the other one was probably around Virginia Trace if I am not mistaken.

I only know about the Lynnhaven cat taking from the lanai from rumors around the Lynnhaven Pool. And people have said that might have been a bobcat.

[Sandtrap328]

The two cats were ripped out of the lanais by creatures as yet unidentified. One was found almost unrecognizable as a cat. This was in Lynnhaven near the Postal Center for the 2nd cat according to scuttlebutt around the postal center. The other incident was further south.

I read the post by someone who said she heard about someone who had a cat taken from a screened in lanai. Poppycock! I have owned cats and there would have been a ferocious fight on the lanai with fur everywhere. Her cat probably went through the screen after a bird and just ran away.

Second story was just rumour with no verification.

[kittygilchrist]

I have messaged VCDD and suggested they read these post and hire a trapper.

[HimandMe]

We adopted a a feral cat and were told she broke through the lanai screen on her own during a thunderstorm. Once outside the screened area they are fair game unfortunately. We do not let her into the screened area unless we are there with her. BTW, she has become an excellent and loving pet.

[Taltarzac725]

I have messaged VCDD and suggested they read these post and hire a trapper.

Thanks kittygilchrist. :bowdown:

[Boudicca]

sandtrap. My post was not "poppycock" The coyote clawed at the poorly closed and unlatched screen door and gained access to the lanai. (My neighbor in Buttonwood) there was indeed a ruckus, but the slow moving neighbor could not get back out onto the lanai (from the house) in time There were large muddy pawprints on the siding by the door which were "dog like" I would never post an untrue thread.

[tomwed]

If you can get rid of a nuisance by hiring a trapper, I sure hope my neighbors don't find out.

[mulligan]

Based on what I have seen first hand, the coyotes number in the hundreds in TV. Trapping one will most likely not make a difference. Also, they have proven to be way too smart for any kind of trap.

[Taltarzac725]

sandtrap. My post was not "poppycock" The coyote clawed at the poorly closed and unlatched screen door and gained access to the lanai. (My neighbor in Buttonwood) there was indeed a ruckus, but the slow moving neighbor could not get back out onto the lanai (from the house) in time There were large muddy pawprints on the siding by the door which were "dog like" I would never post an untrue thread.

http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/RecMap.pdf

My fellow Lynnhaven dog walker pointed out the house in Lynnhaven where the cat was supposedly ripped out of the lanai. I will not post the address in a public place but can get it and send a private message if someone needs it for some legitimate reason. The house is about 300 feet from a golf course on a corner on Churchill Downs near the Lynnhaven postal center.

I know there are things made up at the pools by wags but I do not think this is one of them.

This is probably the same coyote because of the MO but I could be wrong. Buttonwood and Churchill Downs are quite a distance from one another but not outside the range of possibility.

[Boudicca]

Thank you Taltarzac. My neighbor lives behind me, one house over and we are located at the farthest regions of Buttonwood/ The Villages, bordering on a county road - plenty of fallow land for wildlife to roam

[kittygilchrist]

I also asked admin to review comments that residents may shoot guns at coyotes. That HAS to be false info, and a dangerous suggestion. Talk about shooting in the dark with people likely to be easily in range.

Ps, I trust Vcdd to pay for however many traps needed to stem the population. They are being displaced from a lot of habitat with continued clearingg, poor things.

[Taltarzac725]

I also asked admin to review comments that residents may shoot guns at coyotes. That HAS to be false info, and a dangerous suggestion. Talk about shooting in the dark with people likely to be easily in range. Thread may be closed.

Ps, I trust Vcdd to pay for however many traps needed to stem the population. They are being displaced from a lot of habitat with continued clearingg, poor things.

That probably depends on the facts of each case as to whether this is self-defense or defense of your pet. Florida law prohibits shooting across a public road in a residential area unless it is for self-defense or defense of property. F.S. 790.15 Florida Statute Attorney - Jacksonville, FL (http://www.criminallawyerjacksonville.co/0790.15.html)

It would have to be IMHO a dog in the coyote's jaws incident for you to shoot it. Now if it were breaking into you lanai and grabbing your cat I would expect that most FL courts (judges and juries) with side with you if you had to plead self-defense and defense of your pet. Facts would come into play too I would expect like if you shot at the coyote and hit your neighbor with a round instead.

I do find shooting coyotes a bit extreme too.

[kittygilchrist]

Update from VCDD today by email. They are already hiring trappers to take the coyotes.

[kittygilchrist]

That probably depends on the facts of each case as to whether this is self-defense or defense of your pet. Florida law prohibits shooting across a public road in a residential area unless it is for self-defense or defense of property. F.S. 790.15 Florida Statute Attorney - Jacksonville, FL (http://www.criminallawyerjacksonville.co/0790.15.html)

It would have to be IMHO a dog in the coyote's jaws incident for you to shoot it. Now if it were breaking into you lanai and grabbing your cat I would expect that most FL courts (judges and juries) with side with you if you had to plead self-defense and defense of your pet. Facts would come into play too I would expect like if you shot at the coyote and hit your neighbor with a round instead.

I do find shooting coyotes a bit extreme too.

Thanks for great rsch and articulte sensible interpretation. In the scenario of an incident protecting my animals, I would shoot in the ground or air first, hoping to scare it away.

In the Hemingway coyote thread the scenario was this:

Large coyote in Virginia Trace yesterday. At pool, in our back yards, walking down the street. Undaunted by loud noises. HERE'S the kicker: I called 911 who gave me the Wild Game Commission's phone number. A representative told me info about coyotes, and said if I wanted to get rid of it I could eithet SHOOT it or hire someone to catch it. They wiped their hands of responsibility. Anyone want to form a group to encourage The Villages to take responsibility? Email me at ussmichele@gmail.com
Just call me Annie Oakley!

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That seems to me advice from state officials for people who want to get rid of them to use shooting them as a casual and ok method, wherever they see them.

Thanks again. good work.

[suzdief]

I'm in Katherine Villas in the Village of Caroline. We have one coyote who has been seen numerous times by several people between 10:00 and 11:00 at night. It has become a nuisance.
Coyotes are territorial and will continue to come to the same area. There are rabbits and birds that they feed on. I've asked my neighbors to take out their trash the morning of pickup because that is certainly an attraction.
I've been taking my dog out earlier but I don't want any encounters with this coyote should I be out late and need to take him out when I get home. And my dog is always on a leash.

[ret369]

On friday, 8-21-15 my husband took our dog out at 10:45PM for his final walk and saw
3 coyotes in a pack walking on Dorst Ln approaching Lowell in Buttonwood. When they saw him they ran between the houses. He called Community Watch. Be aware of
your surroundings.

[Taltarzac725]

On friday, 8-21-15 my husband took our dog out at 10:45PM for his final walk and saw
3 coyotes in a pack walking on Dorst Ln approaching Lowell in Buttonwood. When they saw him they ran between the houses. He called Community Watch. Be aware of
your surroundings.

That's scary.

Good to hear that some trappers have been hired. Update from VCDD today by email. They are already hiring trappers to take the coyotes.

[tomwed]

I'm glad they are getting trappers and appreciate the effort of everyone that helped to make that happen. I didn't think of Community Watch as the group to contact first. I'm putting them in my phone with a shortcut number as a resource for help.

I haven't read this in a while and thought if you haven't read it you might also find it helpful.

What is Community Watch?
Community Watch is the eyes of The Villages. We are not a law enforcement agency, but we do work closely with the Sheriff's departments of Lake, Marion and Sumter counties as well as the Lady Lake Police Department. We conduct roving patrols in all districts (VCCDD, SLCDD and Districts 1-10) and are responsible for staffing all gates in that same coverage area.

Some of the services we provide Village Residents are::

The House Check Program is a service available to all residents who will be leaving the area for more than seven days. Residents signing up for this program ... read more
The Resident Out of Area Program is also a program for people who will be leaving The Villages for more than seven days. This program is ... read more
The Adult Watch Program is a service provided for residents that live alone or residents with a partner who needs someone to give them a call to make sure ... read more
Community Watch Office - We at the Community Watch office are the organizational and directional hub of all services provided by this Division. We are open Monday - Friday from 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M. and we ask that all residents with concerns contact our office for assistance. To contact us call 753-0550 -- our staff will be pleased to serve you.
Dispatch Center - Community Watch staffs a dispatch Center 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in an effort to ensure that Village Residents always have a person to contact should you have any question that we may help you with. Our number at our Dispatch Center is 753-0550.


That feels pretty good knowing help is just around the corner.

[borjo]

[QUOTE=kittygilchrist;1104351]I also asked admin to review comments that residents may shoot guns at coyotes. That HAS to be false info, and a dangerous suggestion. Talk about shooting in the dark with people likely to be easily in range.



Kitty's right. You may not shoot your gun to protect a pet is what we were told at the Sharp Shooters club. Here's the latter part of Article I, Section 8:

Florida State Profile
STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION - Article 1, Section 8.


The legislature of the State of Florida, in a declaration of policy incorporated in its “Weapons and Firearms” statute, recognizes that adult citizens of the state retain their constitutional right to keep and bear firearms for hunting and sporting activities and for defense of self, family, home, and business and as collectibles.

Pets are not listed!

[Taltarzac725]

Can you use lethal force to defend your pet? - Quora (http://www.quora.com/Can-you-use-lethal-force-to-defend-your-pet)

This thread might be of interest.