Speeding in Villages neighborhoods

[TimeForChange]

I believe the speed limit for cars, trucks etc. is a max of 15 mph in all TV neighborhoods. I live in The Village of Charlotte and have for three years. As all neighborhoods we have walkers, runners, bikers and golf carts and neighbors who sometimes visit in the middle of the street. I try to follow the speed limit in all areas but it seems the lawn contractor trucks, some home owners in their cars and golf carts pay little to no attention to the limits. I believe it to be very dangerous especially at dusk and early in the morning. I have thought about notifying the police but I know they do not have enough officers to check every neighborhood. In my sons young professional, neighborhood in Atlanta the home owners all have signs in their yard.....SLOW DOWN! I guess that would not be allowed here due to the sign restriction but it seems ridiculous that it would not...your thoughts?

[Mleeja]

I believe the speed limit for cars, trucks etc. is a max of 15 mph in all TV neighborhoods. I live in The Village of Charlotte and have for three years. As all neighborhoods we have walkers, runners, bikers and golf carts and neighbors who sometimes visit in the middle of the street. I try to follow the speed limit in all areas but it seems the lawn contractor trucks, some home owners in their cars and golf carts pay little to no attention to the limits. I believe it to be very dangerous especially at dusk and early in the morning. I have thought about notifying the police but I know they do not have enough officers to check every neighborhood. In my sons young professional, neighborhood in Atlanta the home owners all have signs in their yard.....SLOW DOWN! I guess that would not be allowed here due to the sign restriction but it seems ridiculous that it would not...your thoughts?

I think you might be off about the max speed if not posted, but the point being made is spot on! I will generally not walk the dog after 7:30 am becasue of all the speeding traffic.

[graciegirl]

I do not believe that people who speed would slow down if their were signs in every yard.

[simpkinp]

I was on O'Dell tonight making a left turn onto my access street and a car whizzed by me on the right in the golf cart lane. About scared me to death. Definitely speeding, and for what? It was around 8 pm. And this is summer? Heaven help us when the snow birds come down.

[Callaway Guy]

St. Charles and Bailey Trail are like race tracks, as I'm sure other main roads that service the different Villages are. During the days while we're out learning our way around The Villages, I mainly see contractors that are the culprits speeding and fudging other traffic laws (unsecure loads, no trailer tail/brake lights, running stop signs). At least we don't have to deal with traffic like Orlando, Atlanta, DC, LA - yet. I've heard during the "high season" that the traffic can get pretty freaky.

[borjo]

There are signs outside The Villages stating the speed limit is 25mph unless otherwise stated. That would be the limit on the roads in the small neighborhoods. On larger roads like Belvedere and probably Bailey Trail, the speed limit posted is 30mph.

[Topspinmo]

Our village has posted sign of 10 mph. I serious doubt cyv's and pv's speed limit 25 mph in residential neighborhood. But, what difference does stop signs or speed limits make? If someone habitual law breaker posted signs NOT going to slow them down. Only county Mountie and the HEAVY fine will. Bottom line if you speed before don't stop at stop signs likely you still speed and do the same old habits.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I do not believe that people who speed would slow down if their were signs in every yard.

People who speed don't really care about signs. I live on a corner and my lawn gets trashed because cars, trucks and golf carts drive across it all the time!

If the police set up radar on my street they would be very busy writing tickets.

[Mleeja]

People who speed don't really care about signs. I live on a corner and my lawn gets trashed because cars, trucks and golf carts drive across it all the time!

If the police set up radar on my street they would be very busy writing tickets.

I would suspect this would be the same on about any street!

[Polar Bear]

Our village has posted sign of 10 mph...
10 mph? Really? Is this an official posting of any sort? I've never heard of such a low posted speed limit, except for school zones. It may not even be defensible in court.

Speed limits must be reasonable for any given road. For example, a posted speed limit of 30 mph on an interstate highway (not that it would ever happen) would not be upheld in court. Seems like 10 mph in a village might be similar. 10 mph is a crawl.

[JoMar]

Our village has posted sign of 10 mph. I serious doubt cyv's and pv's speed limit 25 mph in residential neighborhood. But, what difference does stop signs or speed limits make? If someone habitual law breaker posted signs NOT going to slow them down. Only county Mountie and the HEAVY fine will. Bottom line if you speed before don't stop at stop signs likely you still speed and do the same old habits.

Most signs seem to be suggestions

[Nosmo12]

The contractors, residents and golf carts have all been mentioned, but the biggest offender is the trash trucks.........they act like there is a fire waiting on them........

[downeaster]

10 mph? Really? Is this an official posting of any sort? I've never heard of such a low posted speed limit, except for school zones. It may not even be defensible in court.

Speed limits must be reasonable for any given road. For example, a posted speed limit of 30 mph on an interstate highway (not that it would ever happen) would not be upheld in court. Seems like 10 mph in a village might be similar. 10 mph is a crawl.

I believe topspino is correct. I have seen signs in The Villages limiting speed to 10MPH.

[rubicon]

There are signs outside The Villages stating the speed limit is 25mph unless otherwise stated. That would be the limit on the roads in the small neighborhoods. On larger roads like Belvedere and probably Bailey Trail, the speed limit posted is 30mph.

The Villages speed limit is 20mph unless otherwise stated. Main thoroughfares run from 25mph to 45mph. there certainly are going to be areas where for specific reasons 15mph is posted.

There are problems with some drivers speeding. I don't mind a speeder (9-10 miles over the speed limit) as such but I do mind a reckless speeder

However there are also problems associated with drivers who intentionally go well under the speed limit. Some of these drivers are extremely over cautious appearing to lack confidence in their judgments. My attention greatly increases when around drivers such as this

It is especially irritating to have a driver pull to the left lane on a divided headway ( such as 466 or 466A ) blocking traffic flowing at 45mph when they are driving 30 mph. In my view 466 & 466A ought to be 55mph. I suppose there are some residents here gasping for air at my suggestions.

I believe in following the speed limit. If a driver prefers to travel under the speed limit on 466 &466A at least be courteous and travel in the right lane. And, don;t get me started on those drivers Rio Grande and Del Mar :D

[tomwed]

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[Topspinmo]

10 mph? Really? Is this an official posting of any sort? I've never heard of such a low posted speed limit, except for school zones. It may not even be defensible in court.

Speed limits must be reasonable for any given road. For example, a posted speed limit of 30 mph on an interstate highway (not that it would ever happen) would not be upheld in court. Seems like 10 mph in a village might be similar. 10 mph is a crawl.


No really! It says 10 MPH. I didn't hang the sign I just reported it. Legal or not in cYV or pVs 25 is too fast were narrow streets with crooked drive ways. I'm with you 10 too slow. But who am I to question the powers to be!

[villagetinker]

I recall seeing the signs, speed limit 20 MPH unless otherwise posted. I also agree that access roads are like Pinellas Place are posted 30 MPH, I have been passed by golf carts at 30 MPH. 2 points here, both the car speedometer and the separate GPS in the car agreed that I was doing the speed limit, and the golf cart was going much too fast. IMHO the 30 mph limit on these types of roads is fine, and it allows sufficient time for avoiding the drivers that turn without turn signals, or do not stop at stop signs.
It is interesting that I really believe that some of the contractors actually get up to 40 or 45 mph after going through the gate, probably another discussion.

[zcaveman]

The speed limit of 20 MPH unless posted is a Sumter county thing. As you cross from Marion county to Sumter county on Buena Vista you will see the 20 mph sign followed by a 35 mph sign.

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[perrjojo]

We live in a courtyard villa neighborhood and the speed limit is 10 mph.

[outlaw]

The Villages speed limit is 20mph unless otherwise stated. Main thoroughfares run from 25mph to 45mph. there certainly are going to be areas where for specific reasons 15mph is posted.

There are problems with some drivers speeding. I don't mind a speeder (9-10 miles over the speed limit) as such but I do mind a reckless speeder

However there are also problems associated with drivers who intentionally go well under the speed limit. Some of these drivers are extremely over cautious appearing to lack confidence in their judgments. My attention greatly increases when around drivers such as this

It is especially irritating to have a driver pull to the left lane on a divided headway ( such as 466 or 466A ) blocking traffic flowing at 45mph when they are driving 30 mph. In my view 466 & 466A ought to be 55mph. I suppose there are some residents here gasping for air at my suggestions.

I believe in following the speed limit. If a driver prefers to travel under the speed limit on 466 &466A at least be courteous and travel in the right lane. And, don;t get me started on those drivers Rio Grande and Del Mar :D

They are probably planning on turning left sometime in the distant future; maybe in 5 or 10 miles.

[Jimjane]

there was a speed limit study done in 2011, Please Google it as I could not figure out how to attached. It has a lot of good information in it. Also from that study I found out all local or residential street are 20 MPH.

thanks and have a blessed day.

[outlaw]

No really! It says 10 MPH. I didn't hang the sign I just reported it. Legal or not in cYV or pVs 25 is too fast were narrow streets with crooked drive ways. I'm with you 10 too slow. But who am I to question the powers to be!

Do bicyclists have to obey those speed limits? They don't have to stop at stop signs, unless there are cars coming.

[Topspinmo]

The Villages speed limit is 20mph unless otherwise stated. Main thoroughfares run from 25mph to 45mph. there certainly are going to be areas where for specific reasons 15mph is posted.

There are problems with some drivers speeding. I don't mind a speeder (9-10 miles over the speed limit) as such but I do mind a reckless speeder

However there are also problems associated with drivers who intentionally go well under the speed limit. Some of these drivers are extremely over cautious appearing to lack confidence in their judgments. My attention greatly increases when around drivers such as this

It is especially irritating to have a driver pull to the left lane on a divided headway ( such as 466 or 466A ) blocking traffic flowing at 45mph when they are driving 30 mph. In my view 466 & 466A ought to be 55mph. I suppose there are some residents here gasping for air at my suggestions.

I believe in following the speed limit. If a driver prefers to travel under the speed limit on 466 &466A at least be courteous and travel in the right lane. And, don;t get me started on those drivers Rio Grande and Del Mar :D


Gasp, gasp, gasp! Give me some air!:1rotfl: actually I am for open speed limits:read: that's closer to reality anyway no matter what road your on:duck:

[Topspinmo]

there was a speed limit study done in 2011, Please Google it as I could not figure out how to attached. It has a lot of good information in it. Also from that study I found out all local or residential street are 20 MPH.

thanks and have a blessed day.


Where was the study done? Was there clause in there that said unless otherwise posted that usually under the 20 mph sign on the street? Speed limit in most parking lots is 5 mph. My guess is that if you going five mph you got your foot on the brake so how could you hit some one? So if you do hit someone you must be speeding.

[golfing eagles]

They are probably planning on turning left sometime in the distant future; maybe in 5 or 10 miles.

Yes, and then they will turn onto the interstate, move to the left lane, and go 35 mph

Meanwhile, on the residential streets the posted 20-25 mph limit should be obeyed since we do have many elderly bicyclists, cart drivers and pedestrians (yes, there are a few areas posted even less). But I do not agree with the following:

In my sons young professional, neighborhood in Atlanta the home owners all have signs in their yard.....SLOW DOWN! I guess that would not be allowed here due to the sign restriction but it seems ridiculous that it would not...your thoughts?

We are a country governed by the rule of law. That means the only signs that a driver has to obey are those posted by a governmental authority. I couldn't care less what kind of sign a group of idiots puts out in their front yards. Other citizens do not get to tell me what to do. If they want to play at law enforcement, go to the police academy and earn a badge.

[Polar Bear]

...In my sons young professional, neighborhood in Atlanta the home owners all have signs in their yard.....SLOW DOWN!...your thoughts?

Horrible idea imo. Visual blight. Unenforceable. And all it does it tick off some drivers to likely do the contrary.

[golfing eagles]

Horrible idea imo. Visual blight. Unenforceable. And all it does it tick off some drivers to likely do the contrary.

There is a short residential street in Auburn, about 2 blocks long, maybe 35-30 houses. Unfortunately , there is a shopping plaza past it, and this road serves as a short cut to avoid the main artery for about 1/2 the town. As the plaza expanded, and then a Walmart and a Lowe's as well as a BJ's went up past the plaza, so did the traffic on this little street. Because it is short, there wasn't really any speeding, but the residents did not want traffic on their street. So first they petitioned for a "local traffic only" sign, and were turned down. Then they wanted a 5 mph speed limit, also turned down. They started taking turns milling around in the middle of the road, which inevitably brought the police. Of course, they cleared the residents off, issued tickets, and even a few arrests--- after all, this IS a public road. In the end, those ugly slow down signs appeared in every front yard. Guess what?---NOW they have a speeding problem! And guess how enthusiastic the police are to respond to reports of speeders on that street? Answer, about the same level of enthusiasm they have in NYC for the mayor

[trimmingthevillages]

I hear all of yall on that. The driving out here is just plain awful sometimes.everytime you step out of your house and get on the road you never know what is gonna happen, or what you might see.but it seems like there are alot of erratic driving mainly from companies and a small amounts of villagers,Im the glad the cops make their presence known out there because it keeps out the riffraff.

[tomwed]

I hear all of yall on that. The driving out here is just plain awful sometimes.everytime you step out of your house and get on the road you never know what is gonna happen, or what you might see.but it seems like there are alot of erratic driving mainly from companies and a small amounts of villagers,Im the glad the cops make their presence known out there because it keeps out the riffraff.
Tell me about the erratic driving you witnessed and where you saw the police patrolling?

[herbaru]

There are signs outside The Villages stating the speed limit is 25mph unless otherwise stated. That would be the limit on the roads in the small neighborhoods. On larger roads like Belvedere and probably Bailey Trail, the speed limit posted is 30mph.

I'm pretty sure the signs say 20 not 25.

[manaboutown]

I find the speed limits within The Villages tediously slow. Nevertheless I happily comply given the demographics and the fact that folks congregate in the middle of the streets in some neighborhoods, both night and day, seemingly without care.

[tomwed]

This is old news but applicable. The sign says 20 MPH.
http://thevillagesideas.com/20-mile-an-hour-sign-confusion/

Have these signs changed or any removed?

[TimeForChange]

There are signs outside The Villages stating the speed limit is 25mph unless otherwise stated. That would be the limit on the roads in the small neighborhoods. On larger roads like Belvedere and probably Bailey Trail, the speed limit posted is 30mph.

The speed limit on our street is posted at 15 MPH and has been for three years. No on pays any attention.

[tomwed]

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I'm sorry, did you say something?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I honestly don't get all of these posts about speeding. I very seldom see cars going way over the speed limit. I usually drive at the speed limit or maybe 5 mph above. It's not very often that I'm holding up cars behind me.

Yes, occasionally, there someone who's impatient and will go around me, but that's usually on Morse or Buena Vista south of 466.

I see the opposite much more often. I'm often frustrated by people driving well below the posted speed limit. I've been in my golf cart and have had cars going under twenty mph.

I actually worry more about these people than speeders. Anyone that has to go 10-15 mph in order to be in control probably shouldn't be driving.

Last week I was on LaGrande Blvd in my golf cart and a car was going very slow. I was int he golf cart lane and started to go by him. As I began to pass, he started to drift over into my lane. We missed colliding by less than a few inches. I almost stopped. He then slowed down and made a left hand from the right hand side of the right lane. As I went by I could see that he was a very old gentleman who could barely see over the dashboard.

That to me is much more scary than someone going 5-10 over our very low speed limits.

[golfing eagles]

I see the opposite much more often. I'm often frustrated by people driving well below the posted speed limit. I've been in my golf cart and have had cars going under twenty mph.

I actually worry more about these people than speeders. Anyone that has to go 10-15 mph in order to be in control probably shouldn't be driving.

That to me is much more scary than someone going 5-10 over our very low speed limits.

Much scarier IMHO. They're like the idiots driving 45 mph in the left lane of an interstate. They may never get in an accident themselves, but they cause them all around their vehicle

[Topspinmo]

Much scarier IMHO. They're like the idiots driving 45 mph in the left lane of an interstate. They may never get in an accident themselves, but they cause them all around their vehicle

This rule has come up before and the law was pasted to post which if you read all the paragraph its intent was for toll road and interstate highways.

It is against the law to enpeed traffic in the left lane on interstate highways even if you are speeding. Says you must move to the slower lane as soon as possible to let faster traffic by even if you going 100 MPH. So if you got your cruise control set on 85 and someone is passing at 80 guess what you got to slow down till the vehicle clears and move to the right. People get the panties in wade if they have to quit texting and take the car off cruise.

However, going down the Blvd. in the left lane or Down 441 where left turns are possible people have to be aware of this. Especially when 3 lanes are full of traffic. People get over when the have the chance and NOT zig zag form all three lanes like they are in nascar race. These are the idiots that cause wrecks IMO

Even old people have the right to drive. One thing about it sooner or later most of use will be in they're shoes some day. Just think what it will be like then?

[golfing eagles]

This rule has come up before and the law was pasted to post which if you read all the paragraph its intent was for toll road and interstate highways.

It is against the law to enpeed traffic in the left lane on interstate highways even if you are speeding. Says you must move to the slower lane as soon as possible to let faster traffic by even if you going 100 MPH. So if you got your cruise control set on 85 and someone is passing at 80 guess what you got to slow down till the vehicle clears and move to the right. People get the panties in wade if they have to quit texting and take the car off cruise.

However, going down the Blvd. in the left lane or Down 441 where left turns are possible people have to be aware of this. Especially when 3 lanes are full of traffic. People get over when the have the chance and NOT zig zag form all three lanes like they are in nascar race. These are the idiots that cause wrecks IMO

Even old people have the right to drive. One thing about it sooner or later most of use will be in they're shoes some day. Just think what it will be like then?

All that is true, but it doesn't seem to stop those who still drive 45 mph in the left lane of an interstate, thus IMPEDING traffic. If all you can handle is 45, stay in the right lane with your flashers on, regardless of age. Better yet, stay off I-95 and take US-301. Local roads are a whole different issue. Speed limits are much lower, there are many intersections and traffic lights. I'd much rather a less than average ability driver get over sooner and drive slow in the left lane to get ready for a turn than have them confused and hesitant trying to cross over several lanes. And this is not really an age issue, there are plenty of teens/twenties who have no idea of their surroundings while driving and do far more unexpected things. At least the elderly, slow driver is generally predictable.

[rubicon]

The contractors, residents and golf carts have all been mentioned, but the biggest offender is the trash trucks.........they act like there is a fire waiting on them........

Your comment comes as a surprise because in 9 years living here I have always found the guys manning those trucks to be very polite and considerate??

[rubicon]

there was a speed limit study done in 2011, Please Google it as I could not figure out how to attached. It has a lot of good information in it. Also from that study I found out all local or residential street are 20 MPH.

thanks and have a blessed day.

yes 20mph UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED.

[rubicon]

Do bicyclists have to obey those speed limits? They don't have to stop at stop signs, unless there are cars coming.

Excellent question

[rubicon]

I also brought up the issue of the perils of slow drivers who appear too cautious for everyone's good.

In Minneapolis , any large city, they create havoc especially with on/off exit lanes and the use of metered ramps (Minneapolis) to space out traffic. Slow drivers appeared inability to act is a disaster waiting to happen. You just have to assume good faith by every driver to do what they are suppose to do (actually trust but verify) because if you don't watch out.

In The Villages "do gooders" also create havoc. Those drivers who have the right away stop on a dime in the middle of traffic to let a golf cart or car pass . Prime examples can be found on Belvedere and Morse but you got to love them

In Minnesota its called being Minnesota Nice" ..why those folks in Minnesota are so nice that they can't have four way stops because it would be "no you go first...no you go first...no you

[yesi3putt2]

We have 2 villas in the Village of Alhambra with posted 10MPH signs at the entrance of each villa

[Janet & Carl]

I live on the corner of Pinellas Place & Fenwick Loop. There used to be a speed limit sign of 15 mph on the corner. Someone removed it months ago. When you turn onto Fenwick Loop you can speed around the complete loop without stopping until you reach the other side of Fenwick Loop & Fenwick Loop. Hope I am making sense. Yes people speed when they turn onto Fenwick Loop. My dog was almost hit because of someone speeding while turning into Lindsey Villas. Please people slow down and live. Janet

[MDLNB]

In which state is it permissible for bicycles to violate stop signs?

[thelegges]

We back up to Odell circle. Some Lawn companies fly by, like no limit on speed

[jerif47a]

I also live in the village for 7 months out of the year. Speeding is wrong. However I do agree that a ridiculous low speed of 10 m per hr for cars is not right Perhaps you should check with the Villages to see what is the speed limit before quoting one. Then for a concerned citizens group to see what can be done. Numbers do speak loudly.

[Cobh521]

I haven't experienced much speeding and I do obey the speed limit. My problem is the neighborhood walkers who walk across the whole street and do not move for the cars. At that point I an going about 5 mph. This can go on for a whole block. Share the road walkers!

[Walter123]

I haven't experienced much speeding and I do obey the speed limit. My problem is the neighborhood walkers who walk across the whole street and do not move for the cars. At that point I an going about 5 mph. This can go on for a whole block. Share the road walkers!

That's what your horn is for.

[Chatbrat]

In Florida if you're doing less than 10 mph in the left lane on an interstate you can get a ticket. In the Villages I set my distrionic a @ 5mph over the speed limit--this way I can go everywhere without ever hitting the gas or brakes --the distrionic is my autopilot--my wife's new car has 360 degree eyes--great

[jerif47a]

Try to get the license plate no or name of company truck. Then make a call to village police or company name. Reporting the violation does help. A bonus if you can catch license plate no.

[cjo1946]

How about checking your facts? If not posted it is 20 MPH and in most villages it is posted at 25 MPH. I don't know where you got 15 MPH

[outlaw]

In which state is it permissible for bicycles to violate stop signs?

It's an unenforced law. Most LEOs recognize the loss of momentum on a bicycle interferes with a good ride, so they let it go. Similar to the rolling stops frequently done by motorcyclists. It's just common sense nullifying stupid laws. We don't need stop signs. Yield signs would suffice in 99% of situations.

[HMLRHT1]

Most major streets ( Morse, Buena Vista, Odel ) have a speed limit of 30 or 35 mph. Streets off of these usually have a speed limit sign that is posted at 15 -20 mph. If you see no speed limit sign on any street it is considered 20 mph. When you enter a Villa such as Allandale Villas the sign posted is 10 mph. I have checked most villas and I have seen the same speed of 10 mph posted at all.

[cjo1946]

Drive through POLO RIDGE. Posted "governmental" signage is 25 MPH

[Buffalo Ray]

The POSTED speed limit in Tamarind Grove is 15 MPH. If you would like it, I'll step outside and take a picture for you.

However, speeding in The Villages doesn't matter just as long as you don't have an 8 inch statue of a frog in your front garden. That warrants a visit from the VCDD Gestapo.

[LTCHSIEGEL]

Bikes and golf carts ride with car traffic and abbey all traffic rules. Walkers and runners SHOULD run/walk facing traffic.

[outlaw]

Bikes and golf carts ride with car traffic and abbey all traffic rules. Walkers and runners SHOULD run/walk facing traffic.

Do runners have to abide by the speed limits?

[golfing eagles]

Do runners have to abide by the speed limits?

Apparently not Oscar Pistorius

[Bald Eagle]

We are mostly retired or close to it. Why are we in such a rush that we need to speed and not stop at stop signs, etc? What kind of message are we sending to all of our and other people's grandchildren about obeying the laws. Nana and grandpa are seniors now and can pick and choose which rules they like to follow and which they don't. Slow down and enjoy those retirement years. And, set a good example for our next generation.

[tomwed]

It's an unenforced law. Most LEOs recognize the loss of momentum on a bicycle interferes with a good ride, so they let it go. Similar to the rolling stops frequently done by motorcyclists. It's just common sense nullifying stupid laws. We don't need stop signs. Yield signs would suffice in 99% of situations.
Not just a good ride. Some bikers are clipped to their pedals. So a quick getaway is not as quick and can go wrong.

When you're on a bike you're trying not to get hit by a car. If you see no one in front or on the sides and someone coming up from behind, that's the guy you avoid by going through the stop sign. It's better to take you chances with an understanding LEO who may also ride bikes or even pay the ticket if he doesn't.

Last night driving I saw a woman around my age on a bike, no helmet, no lights, dark clothes in the center of the street waiting to make a left on Pinellas. If there's a sidewalk, and there is one on Pinellas and Hardy, use it. Go slow and stop for walkers or walk the bike.

[biker1]

Idaho. Stop signs are treated as yield signs and stop lights are treated as stop signs by cyclists. There may be some other states.

In which state is it permissible for bicycles to violate stop signs?

[outlaw]

Not just a good ride. Some bikers are clipped to their pedals. So a quick getaway is not as quick and can go wrong.

When you're on a bike you're trying not to get hit by a car. If you see no one in front or on the sides and someone coming up from behind, that's the guy you avoid by going through the stop sign. It's better to take you chances with an understanding LEO who may also ride bikes or even pay the ticket if he doesn't.

Last night driving I saw a woman around my age on a bike, no helmet, no lights, dark clothes in the center of the street waiting to make a left on Pinellas. If there's a sidewalk, and there is one on Pinellas and Hardy, use it. Go slow and stop for walkers or walk the bike.

Ooh. The safety angle. I like it. All this time, I thought it was for convenience.

[tomwed]

Ooh. The safety angle. I like it. All this time, I thought it was for convenience.
Have you ever skied on a crowded mountain? I have a ski helmet too and until now I never thought of putting a bike mirror on it. You can't predict if the people behind you are going to stop with any certainty.
For me, that what it feels like on a bike when someone is coming up from behind. At our age who hasn't been rear ended in a car? Can you imagine your chances on a bike?

[MDLNB]

Idaho. Stop signs are treated as yield signs and stop lights are treated as stop signs by cyclists. There may be some other states.

Oh, so stop signs are just decoration. I got it. Being a former COP, I wrote more tickets for violations of Stop signs and Traffic signals than speeding. Not that I did much traffic duty, but those two violations are probably in the top ten most dangerous traffic violations. Speeding is no where near as dangerous as running stop signs or traffic lights. Not too long ago, I almost hit a golf cart coming out of tunnel ramp, where the driver did not stop for the stop sign. He ended up running across the trail to avoid hitting me and into the grass. I see golf carts blatantly speeding through stop signs, across intersections on a daily basis. I have never lived in a state where a stop sign was treated as a "run faster" signal. And that is what folks in the Villages seem to believe. As bad as some of the folks here drive, they should be more aware of traffic signals/signs than ever before. I don't care if you speed past my slower golf cart, and I might even wave cheerfully as you pass. But, if you injure someone in my family by running a stop sign....well...shame on you, and I won't go into the possible consequences. The sign says STOP, not caution, not yield, and not slow. It translates to ALTO for those that don't speak English.

But I digress. My neighborhood also has a speed limit of 10mph. And yes, golf carts are able to speed through neighborhoods when the limit is set that low. And yes, they could get a speeding ticket, if enforced.

[biker1]

"Idaho" stops (rolling through stop signs when it is clear and safe to do so in the state of Idaho by cyclists) reflects the fact that in many instances it makes no sense for a cyclist to come to a complete stop. Notice that the requirement is that it is clear and safe to do so. The stop signs are not decoration. The law says that they are to be interpreted as a yield sign by cyclists when it is clear and safe to do so.

Oh, so stop signs are just decoration. I got it. Being a former COP, I wrote more tickets for violations of Stop signs and Traffic signals than speeding. Not that I did much traffic duty, but those two violations are probably in the top ten most dangerous traffic violations. Speeding is no where near as dangerous as running stop signs or traffic lights. Not too long ago, I almost hit a golf cart coming out of tunnel ramp, where the driver did not stop for the stop sign. He ended up running across the trail to avoid hitting me and into the grass. I see golf carts blatantly speeding through stop signs, across intersections on a daily basis. I have never lived in a state where a stop sign was treated as a "run faster" signal. And that is what folks in the Villages seem to believe. As bad as some of the folks here drive, they should be more aware of traffic signals/signs than ever before. I don't care if you speed past my slower golf cart, and I might even wave cheerfully as you pass. But, if you injure someone in my family by running a stop sign....well...shame on you, and I won't go into the possible consequences. The sign says STOP, not caution, not yield, and not slow. It translates to ALTO for those that don't speak English.

But I digress. My neighborhood also has a speed limit of 10mph. And yes, golf carts are able to speed through neighborhoods when the limit is set that low. And yes, they could get a speeding ticket, if enforced.

[MDLNB]

316.2065 Bicycle regulations.—
(1) Every person propelling a vehicle by human power has all of the rights and all of the duties applicable to the driver of any other vehicle under this chapter...

Bikers must stop at stop signs and traffic signals in Florida. I read where one young lady received a $173 fine for running through a stop sign in Florida. Perhaps someone from one of the bike clubs in The Villages can share some of their experience on the subject.

[biker1]

Yes, that is the law in Florida. In my Village, nearly everybody (cars, golf carts, and bikes) rolls through stop signs. I am pretty sure that is the case in all Villages.

316.2065 Bicycle regulations.—
(1) Every person propelling a vehicle by human power has all of the rights and all of the duties applicable to the driver of any other vehicle under this chapter...

Bikers must stop at stop signs and traffic signals in Florida. I read where one young lady received a $173 fine for running through a stop sign in Florida. Perhaps someone from one of the bike clubs in The Villages can share some of their experience on the subject.

[TheVillageChicken]

Yes, that is the law in Florida. In my Village, nearly everybody (cars, golf carts, and bikes) rolls through stop signs. I am pretty sure that is the case in all Villages.

The stop signs that consist of a post with the word "STOP" written on them are not approved by the State of Florida. The only legal stop sign is a red octagon with "STOP" in white upon it.

[biker1]

I am not sure what your point is. There are legitimate stop signs in the Villages.

The stop signs that consist of a post with the word "STOP" written on them are not approved by the State of Florida. The only legal stop sign is a red octagon with "STOP" in white upon it.

[outlaw]

When I'm on my motorcycle or bicycle, I put stop signs right up there with national borders. They are just suggestions.

[MDLNB]

The stop signs that consist of a post with the word "STOP" written on them are not approved by the State of Florida. The only legal stop sign is a red octagon with "STOP" in white upon it.

I do not know if that is true, but I do know that when ever you cross a public street from a golf cart path or a side street, you must come to a complete stop before proceeding. Whether or not that stop sign is valid, the traffic regulation can be enforced and you can get a citation.

[MDLNB]

I hope you were just being sarcastic, otherwise that scores about an 11 on the rude-o-meter.

:agree:

[MDLNB]

When I'm on my motorcycle or bicycle, I put stop signs right up there with national borders. They are just suggestions.

:thumbup: Good one. Although, I value my Harley, so I do stop.

[outlaw]

:thumbup: Good one. Although, I value my Harley, so I do stop.

That's a good enough reason.

[emb2458]

Really! 10 mph. I would have to keep my foot on the brake to go 10 mph. Going less than 20 mph creates a back up of traffic on main roads in The Villages. All the main high traffic roads should be 25 mph - 30 mph where there is two lanes being used.

[MDLNB]

Really! 10 mph. I would have to keep my foot on the brake to go 10 mph. Going less than 20 mph creates a back up of traffic on main roads in The Villages. All the main high traffic roads should be 25 mph - 30 mph where there is two lanes being used.

The way some of you drive, 10mph is likely too fast and cause you to lose control..ha,ha. 10mph is usually for residential areas, where folks walk their dogs and what not.

[Callaway Guy]

Give everyone a break and move to Atlanta. Seem's like your a busy body. Mind your own business, pull over and don't be road hog! More important issues to bitch about like the high extortion fee called a BOND and the amenity fee that will raise after build out.

Extortion is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property or services from a person, entity, or institution through coercion so how can it be extortion? Did you not know about the amenity fee or bond before signing the documents to live in The Villages? Or do you not live here and are just trolling?

[Kgcetm]

Fortunately most traffic in all villages obey the traffic rules.

[kalisak]

People would be crazy to stand in the street and talk on Buena Vista or Morse, and probably would get a ticket if they did for jaywalking or obstructing traffic. Not sure how its legal, then, on a neighborhood street. Should be legal, but I've never seen any signs or read it anywhere. I'm sure carts and bicylists hit pedestrians occasionally in TV, but we don't see it in the paper. Do moving pedestrians have right of way over standing/idle pedestrians? Is there a difference (whether they are moving) if a vehicle hits them?

[Jim Stickel]

All Villa neighborhoods are posted at 10mph...Kimley-Horn and the District you live in will show you the info....does it matter? - Nope sometimes the Villages is not the world's friendliest hometown

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Do bicyclists have to obey those speed limits? They don't have to stop at stop signs, unless there are cars coming.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to go 20 mph on a bicycle?

[outlaw]

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to go 20 mph on a bicycle?

There are many roads in TV where the speed limit is 10 or 15 mph.

[biker1]

I think it is probably more accurate to say that most people drive in a fairly safe manner even if they do technically violate a bunch of traffic rules. The biggest issue I see is some confusion in the roundabouts.

Fortunately most traffic in all villages obey the traffic rules.

[tomwed]

Here's an Orlando crime map used to make a point. http://www.orlandosentinel2.com/data/crime/

I don't think we need a crime map. But it would be helpful to have a traffic accident map for cars, carts, bikes and pedestrians that included multi model paths.

Frequently questions come up about safety. The stripes are a good example. With an accident map you could see where the dangerous areas are and maybe stripe or add those plastic center lane speed bumps there first and see if there is an improvement.

I think many of the threads are not approached scientifically like we learned in school.
The Scientific Method
Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

I think we use the TOTV method.
Ask a question
Listen to opinions
Wait a couple of weeks
And then ask the question again

[biker1]

You can certainly encourage the CDDs to do more traffic studies. Keep in mind that collecting a statistically significant sample size after a change may be difficult. The people on TOTV are not really in a position to do much of anything except encourage the CDDs to address issues, real or perceived. It is not as if your average person can go out and design and execute a traffic experiment.

Here's an Orlando crime map used to make a point. http://www.orlandosentinel2.com/data/crime/

I don't think we need a crime map. But it would be helpful to have a traffic accident map for cars, carts, bikes and pedestrians that included multi model paths.

Frequently questions come up about safety. The stripes are a good example. With an accident map you could see where the dangerous areas are and maybe stripe or add those plastic center lane speed bumps there first and see if there is an improvement.

I think many of the threads are not approached scientifically like we learned in school.
The Scientific Method
Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

I think we use the TOTV method.
Ask a question
Listen to opinions
Wait a couple of weeks
And then ask the question again

[outlaw]

I think we underestimate the aggregate wisdom of TV residents...MMP striping comes to mind.

Expertise and the Wisdom of Crowds: Whose Judgments to Trust and When
Matthew B. Welsh (matthew.welsh@adelaide.edu.au)
University of Adelaide, North Tce
Adelaide, SA 5005, Australia
Abstract
The Wisdom of Crowds describes the fact that aggregating a
group’s estimate regarding unknown values is often a better
strategy than selecting even an expert’s opinion.

[biker1]

I don't see your point regarding the MMP striping. The engineering firm didn't recommend it and the majority of residents don't appear to be in favor. The only ones is favor seem to be a few representatives of the CDDs.

I think we underestimate the aggregate wisdom of TV residents...MMP striping comes to mind.

Expertise and the Wisdom of Crowds: Whose Judgments to Trust and When
Matthew B. Welsh (matthew.welsh@adelaide.edu.au)
University of Adelaide, North Tce
Adelaide, SA 5005, Australia
Abstract
The Wisdom of Crowds describes the fact that aggregating a
group’s estimate regarding unknown values is often a better
strategy than selecting even an expert’s opinion.

[tomwed]

You can certainly encourage the CDDs to do more traffic studies. Keep in mind that collecting a statistically significant sample size after a change may be difficult. The people on TOTV are not really in a position to do much of anything except encourage the CDDs to address issues, real or perceived. It is not as if your average person can go out and design and execute a traffic experiment.
It doesn't need to be precise experiment. A friend of mine has a lanai on Evens Prairie and you can see 466A. At a party they said you would be amazed at all the accidents at the intersection with Buena Vista. That's enough information for me to take a double look and proceed more cautiously when crossing that road.

Suppose you don't have any friends at this end of town. You look at an accident map and it shows a lot of accidents at that intersection. It's useful.

[biker1]

A traffic map is fine. I was referring to your statement about people on TOTV not following a scientific method. I am not sure what it is that you expect them to do.

It doesn't need to be precise experiment. A friend of mine has a lanai on Evens Prairie and you can see 466A. At a party they said you would be amazed at all the accidents at the intersection with Buena Vista. That's enough information for me to take a double look and proceed more cautiously when crossing that road.

Suppose you don't have any friends at this end of town. You look at an accident map and it shows a lot of accidents at that intersection. It's useful.

[tomwed]

A traffic map is fine. I was referring to your statement about people on TOTV not following a scientific method. I am not sure what it is that you expect them to do.
I'm not sure either.

Speeding is another thread about safety. Is it a problem? Where is the evidence?

A thread will start off that coyotes are a problem. I think it would be useful to know how many people have seen coyotes, where and when. And it would be useful that the people who have been here the longest share village coyote stories from a while ago, to see if this is a new problem. I guess it would be to discover if coyote problems are a couple of isolated incidences.

I don't really have a good answer for you but I am giving it a lot of thought.

[biker1]

OK, I see where you are going now. Before declaring that there is a problem, we should have some evidence that is more than just anecdotal. Good point.

I'm not sure either.

Speeding is another thread about safety. Is it a problem? Where is the evidence?

A thread will start off that coyotes are a problem. I think it would be useful to know how many people have seen coyotes, where and when. And it would be useful that the people who have been here the longest share village coyote stories from a while ago, to see if this is a new problem. I guess it would be to discover if coyote problems are a couple of isolated incidences.

I don't really have a good answer for you but I am giving it a lot of thought.

[tomwed]

OK, I see where you are going now. Before declaring that there is a problem, we should have some evidence that is more than just anecdotal. Good point.
So who could put together a village accident map?
Or how could a survey be put together to see what problems need addressing?

It's not that I want to squash problems as if they don't exist. We have technology that could make this easier. Suppose there was a flea [or flu] outbreak. And a survey revealed just when and where it started. Quick action might make a big difference to Fido [or Uncle Fred].

[outlaw]

I don't see your point regarding the MMP striping. The engineering firm didn't recommend it and the majority of residents don't appear to be in favor. The only ones is favor seem to be a few representatives of the CDDs.

I was just using striping as an example that the collective wisdom of users of the "system" may statistically provide better solutions than so called "expert" engineers, that probably don't even exist when it comes to MMPs used by senior citizens. But because the anointed expert has an engineering degree, people tend to think his/her opinion is more "expert" than a bunch of people who may or may not have any credentials other than common sense and user experience. Not saying MMP striping is good or bad. Just throwing out the concept of crowd wisdom vs conventional expertise. I thought it was an interesting concept.

[MDLNB]

I don't see the relationship between an experimental scientific study and the county traffic statutes. The law is the law whether The Villages agrees with it or not. If you have a 10mph speed LIMIT on county roads in your neighborhood, you can be given a citation for violating it. Safety is an ideal, but limits are based on such safety ideal. The thread is about speeding in the village neighborhoods. Whether you are in a golf car, motorcycle or car, if you are speeding then you are deemed in violation of the law. What's so difficult with that? Just because you think that you can drive better than someone else makes little difference.

Some of you believe that running stop signs is a fact of life and reasonable. Not part of this thread but it's been brought up. I don't see it that way. Violating stop signs is probably one of the most dangerous actions perpetrated in the villages. Stop signs are not a suggestion. It's the law that you come to a complete stop, not speed up like I have seen many do. Speeding on Buena Vista may not be very dangerous, but speeding in neighborhoods is very dangerous. Violating stop signs is always a dangerous practice.

You don't need a study regarding traffic laws. They are here and we aren't going to change them.

If you wish to do a study, do a study regarding seatbelts in golf carts and why they might be necessary because some folks don't know how to drive and end up throwing their passengers out when they run into a curb.

[tomwed]

How many accidents are there a year [bike, cart,car pedestrian]?
And where do they occur [place pinpoints on a map that all can see]?
I wouldn't change speed limits, change stop sign laws or request police support either.

You don't need a study like the one below. I don't think many will even read a study. But, for example if you found out that the intersection of one of the highways and Morse or Buena Vista had many accidents maybe you would pay more attention, turn off the radio or pick another route. It's a heads-up. When people visit me from up north I give them a heads up that speed limits change many times on the way here coming from 95.

Here is a golf cart seat belt study with link below:
ANALYSIS AND PREVENTION OF CHILD EJECTIONS FROM GOLF CARS AND PERSONAL
TRANSPORT VEHICLES
Kristopher Seluga
Technology Associates
Timothy Long
Accident Research & Biomechanics
USA
Paper Number 09-0186
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv/esv21/Track%2029%20Written.pdf

This is how I found the study. It's a sad story.
Safety Concerns Rise As Golf Carts Take to the Streets
Safety Concerns Rise As Golf Carts Take to the Streets (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2010/06/22/110892.htm)

I think the online information available to anyone changed how we live. The days of going to a library and asking the librarian for help finding resources are long gone.
I think you could have a group map, using google maps and people could add pinpoints for accident. I don't know if that can be done.

[outlaw]

I don't see the relationship between an experimental scientific study and the county traffic statutes. The law is the law whether The Villages agrees with it or not. If you have a 10mph speed LIMIT on county roads in your neighborhood, you can be given a citation for violating it. Safety is an ideal, but limits are based on such safety ideal. The thread is about speeding in the village neighborhoods. Whether you are in a golf car, motorcycle or car, if you are speeding then you are deemed in violation of the law. What's so difficult with that? Just because you think that you can drive better than someone else makes little difference.

Some of you believe that running stop signs is a fact of life and reasonable. Not part of this thread but it's been brought up. I don't see it that way. Violating stop signs is probably one of the most dangerous actions perpetrated in the villages. Stop signs are not a suggestion. It's the law that you come to a complete stop, not speed up like I have seen many do. Speeding on Buena Vista may not be very dangerous, but speeding in neighborhoods is very dangerous. Violating stop signs is always a dangerous practice.

You don't need a study regarding traffic laws. They are here and we aren't going to change them.

If you wish to do a study, do a study regarding seatbelts in golf carts and why they might be necessary because some folks don't know how to drive and end up throwing their passengers out when they run into a curb.

A couple of points. You didn't include bicycles in your group of vehicles. How do you feel about bicycles? Also, if you think rolling (not running)through a stop sign is so dangerous, then how do you rectify using yield signs? Because rolling through a stop sign is essentially treating it like a yield sign.

[Greg Nelson]

As I age I'm convinced the good Lord sent me here to slow people down. What's the hurry? And don't forget to use your turn signals

[Jima64]

A couple of points. You didn't include bicycles in your group of vehicles. How do you feel about bicycles? Also, if you think rolling (not running)through a stop sign is so dangerous, then how do you rectify using yield signs? Because rolling through a stop sign is essentially treating it like a yield sign.

I believe most yield signs are not used to control traffic going across an intersection but to merge into the flow going to the right. Not quite as dangerous. Even with a yield sign you are required to not enter the intersection with approaching traffic. Essentially a stop sign of another color.

[golfing eagles]

As I age I'm convinced the good Lord sent me here to slow people down. What's the hurry? And don't forget to use your turn signals

Stop signs, yield signs, traffic lights, speed limits and the general vehicular and traffic code posted by government are there to slow people down (or speed them up) appropriately and safely. You, as an individual, have no right or responsibility to "slow people down". This is where problems begin---individuals making up their own rules, like two cars driving side by side at 55 on an interstate--maybe they want to "slow people down" as well--- but instead they create the very safety hazard that they THINK they are preventing. Follow the rules posted (and use your turn signals), but DO NOT impose your individual traffic concepts on everyone else. If you want to be a law enforcement officer, go to the police academy and get a badge.

[MDLNB]

A couple of points. You didn't include bicycles in your group of vehicles. How do you feel about bicycles? Also, if you think rolling (not running)through a stop sign is so dangerous, then how do you rectify using yield signs? Because rolling through a stop sign is essentially treating it like a yield sign.

If it wasn't dangerous to "roll" through a stop sign then they would have put a yield sign there instead of a stop sign. And by the way, if the yield sign is red, then the law says you must come to a stop if there is traffic coming.

[MDLNB]

As I age I'm convinced the good Lord sent me here to slow people down. What's the hurry? And don't forget to use your turn signals

Amen brother....:thumbup:

[MDLNB]

Stop signs, yield signs, traffic lights, speed limits and the general vehicular and traffic code posted by government are there to slow people down (or speed them up) appropriately and safely. You, as an individual, have no right or responsibility to "slow people down". This is where problems begin---individuals making up their own rules, like two cars driving side by side at 55 on an interstate--maybe they want to "slow people down" as well--- but instead they create the very safety hazard that they THINK they are preventing. Follow the rules posted (and use your turn signals), but DO NOT impose your individual traffic concepts on everyone else. If you want to be a law enforcement officer, go to the police academy and get a badge.

This is an example of WHY the police cite those driving golf carts over 20mph. I would like for the state to initiate a law that states that registered LSV's not be able to drive on cart paths. It won't happen, but one could wish. I have no problem with those that are in a hurry, passing me when safe to do so, but some are just reckless. If I am already moving at 20mph and someone passes me at about 30mph, that's a bit excessive. If you don't like the slow pace, then get out on the road where you really belong. And if you don't appreciate me hollering at you when you run a stop sign, call the police and report me.

[golfing eagles]

Amen brother....:thumbup:

Really??? I gather you are retired law enforcement, so are you really advocating an individual imposing his own set of rules on others and usurping the police authority? The point of living by the rule of law is that everybody has the same set of rules to obey, that no individual can make their own rules and enforce them, and that citizens answer to the law, not some individual. Without this as a guiding principle, we would have anarchy and vigilantism

[golfing eagles]

This is an example of WHY the police cite those driving golf carts over 20mph. I would like for the state to initiate a law that states that registered LSV's not be able to drive on cart paths. It won't happen, but one could wish. I have no problem with those that are in a hurry, passing me when safe to do so, but some are just reckless. If I am already moving at 20mph and someone passes me at about 30mph, that's a bit excessive. If you don't like the slow pace, then get out on the road where you really belong. And if you don't appreciate me hollering at you when you run a stop sign, call the police and report me.

I'm not referring to those who violate the law---they should get ticketed. My point was that authority resides with law enforcement, NOT an individual. I was responding to the concept that someone felt they were out here to "slow people down". If they are speeding, they should be dealt with by the authorities. If they are obeying the law, nobody has the right to "slow them down" any further. I certainly was not advocating speeding or running stop signs, just advocating for the rule of law.

[tomwed]

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

[njbchbum]

I figure that since the traffic indicator is red with a white STOP - it means stop; and that if it meant ROLL- it would be painted accordingly!

[TheVillageChicken]

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a table.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

I suggest you expand your survey to include gender. I predict cyclists, cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates will comprise a large percentage of the scofflaws. Might be interesting to conduct a second study just after closing time at the saloons.

[outlaw]

If it wasn't dangerous to "roll" through a stop sign then they would have put a yield sign there instead of a stop sign. And by the way, if the yield sign is red, then the law says you must come to a stop if there is traffic coming.

So then, I guess you agreed with New York City when they banned large soda drinks, because apparently they are "dangerous" to your health, or they wouldn't have banned them. There are many, many, many neighborhood intersections where a yield sign would be just fine. But some municipal agent, following the one size fits all cookie cutter safety policy, decided to place a stop sign instead.
I don't think I have ever seen a red yield sign.

[tomwed]

What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

[outlaw]

What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

I would say most women stop (women tend to be more safety conscious than men; not that stopping is appreciably safer than rolling thru). But I have had more close calls with women cart drivers that speed around curves, passing other carts, in very dangerous scenarios.
I think your prediction is right on. Only the absolute most anal acting people stop at all intersections on the MMP. I don't believe those that claim they never go over the speed limit, either. They are either not paying attention to their speed, or they are lieing.

[biker1]

I would appreciate not being lumped into the same group as cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates ;-). I consider myself to be a more highly evolved form of scofflaw ;-)

I suggest you expand your survey to include gender. I predict cyclists, cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates will comprise a large percentage of the scofflaws. Might be interesting to conduct a second study just after closing time at the saloons.

[ajbrown]

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

10% for #1? I will take the under on that one. If you find any that actually come to a complete stop as defined by law, it is likely they forgot where they were going or are texting :1rotfl:

[Matzy]

Ha, I am one of these guys which always comes to a complete STOP as defined by law, wait 2-3 seconds and then going on driving.
One time I did it and the driver behind me was very impatient and started honking. Bad situation because he didn't see the car behind him: A police car, which pulled him over right away.

[tomwed]

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

I just got back from my survey. I only observed 35 vehicles before I left. It didn't take too long but I couldn't count any vehicle that came to a stop because there was cross traffic or another vehicle also crossing. There were many golf carts but they ran into traffic one way or the other.

Mostly men were driving but a few cars have tinted windows so I can't comment on men or women.

Only 1 car stopped and waited a a couple of seconds and the driver was female, below average in height and looked like she could have lived here for a while. There was only 2 golf carts and 1 bike. They yielded. As did the 25 cars and 6 trucks.

I predicted more people stopped at stop signs. There were no close calls and no one was the least bit excited that I could see.

[outlaw]

I just got back from my survey. I only observed 35 vehicles before I left. It didn't take too long but I couldn't count any vehicle that came to a stop because there was cross traffic or another vehicle also crossing. There were many golf carts but they ran into traffic one way or the other.

Mostly men were driving but a few cars have tinted windows so I can't comment on men or women.

Only 1 car stopped and waited a a couple of seconds and the driver was female, below average in height and looked like she could have lived here for a while. There was only 2 golf carts and 1 bike. They yielded. As did the 25 cars and 6 trucks.

I predicted more people stopped at stop signs. There were no close calls and no one was the least bit excited that I could see.

That's a Florida stop.

[outlaw]

Ha, I am one of these guys which always comes to a complete STOP as defined by law, wait 2-3 seconds and then going on driving.
One time I did it and the driver behind me was very impatient and started honking. Bad situation because he didn't see the car behind him: A police car, which pulled him over right away.

Maybe the guy thought you fell asleep?

[TheVillageChicken]

What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

Gender...... overwhelmingly a male issue except


Close to 50/50 due to age related inattentiveness, having a dog or significant other as a passenger, or being Episcopalian.

[MDLNB]

I stop at all stop signs, even if in a hurry. However, I do speed in my golf cart. I am sure it will do 22-23mph on level ground. I'm not anal, just a former COP that has seen way too many bad accidents due to reckless operation and violating stop signs and traffic lights. I don't consider a bit of speeding on a highway to be reckless, but speeding on 10mph neighborhood streets when seniors are walking their dogs, I consider dangerous.

[lanemb]

I think the whole point is to drive safely. A rolling stop or full stop are both dangerous if you really aren't paying attention. Being in a hurry is always a recipe for disaster.

In my early years I saw on two different occasions children get hit by a car in a neighborhood where the speed was 25. One did not live. It left an impression on me where I can't drive a neighborhood without thinking about it. Thus I drive slowly in neighborhoods and I don't cut through them to save a few minutes. At this point in our lives we are a lot like kids again. I am seldom in a hurry anymore. I feel for those who are.

[Papa Muzzy]

when we first moved to the villages the speed limit posted on Raintree was 15 miles an hour. It disappeared the sign I mean after four years

[James Blackley]

I live in Villa Valdez and there is a 10mph sign at entrance. This week all the crazies I have seen were on golf carts. Tailgating and squeezing thru gate with you. Like to blame snowbirds but facts are facts!!!

[CassieInVa]

We stop at any and all intersections on our golf cart. Never more than 20 mph and slower in the neighborhoods. I've seen people blow through stop signs and fly around corners. I don't understand what the hurry is. It's scary out there.