Hillary Clinton on immigration.

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Hillary Clinton - Position on Immigration (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/immigration/a/Hillary-Clintons-Postion-On-Illegal-Immigrants.htm)

Got to get some other positions on immigration than the Donald's up here.

I doubt if any Democratic contender wants illegal immigrants who commit crimes to be kept in the country.

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Hillary Clinton - Position on Immigration (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/immigration/a/Hillary-Clintons-Postion-On-Illegal-Immigrants.htm)

Got to get some other positions on immigration than the Donald's up here.

I doubt if any Democratic contender wants illegal immigrants who commit crimes to be kept in the country.

That's kind of humorous. You probably didn't realize what you said, or did you do it on purpose? "Illegal immigrants who commit crimes" ???? They are committing a crime just by entering our country illegally. In other countries, they could be shot. But, that is the way liberals/Dems think. Some crimes, ethics, morals are OK to violate. As long as it furthers their cause. Sorry if that sounds partisan, but I have seen more and more of it this way in the past two terms of this administration.

"....illegal immigrants who commit crimes..." :1rotfl: Hilarious!

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Hilary will say whatever she feels will get her more votes, like any other politician. On the other hand, who would believe her?

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Examples of Serious Crimes of Illegal Aliens (http://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-of-serious-crimes-of-illegal-aliens)


OK. Serious crimes. I suppose Trump wants to deport everyone who has even got a parking ticket.

Does anyone realize how difficult Trump's plan is to send back all the undocumented aliens in the US is. And then keep them all out?

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Examples of Serious Crimes of Illegal Aliens (http://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-of-serious-crimes-of-illegal-aliens)


OK. Serious crimes. I suppose Trump wants to deport everyone who has even got a parking ticket.

Does anyone realize how difficult Trump's plan is to send back all the undocumented aliens in the US is. And then keep them all out?

I agree, get rid of ALL illegals. Allow those that feel they have a legitimate reason to be here, petition the court.

"Difficult" but not impossible. We have had three presidents that did mass deportations in the past. With the technology we have today, it is a viable and necessary procedure. A good immigration policy is important to national security.

As far as your comment regarding "...deport everyone who has even got a parking ticket" is concerned, they should not be driving in our country anyway and that is just another law they are breaking. So, you can be facetious if you wish, but we are a country of laws, regardless of what Hilary believes.

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[QUOTE=Guest;1103107]Examples of Serious Crimes of Illegal Aliens (http://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-of-serious-crimes-of-illegal-aliens)


OK. Serious crimes. I suppose Trump wants to deport everyone who has even got a parking ticket.

Does anyone realize how difficult Trump's plan is to send back all the undocumented aliens in the US is. And then keep them all out?[/QUOTE

Yes if they are illegal aliens, THEY BROKE THE LAW, coming here illegally! Now they're caught, what other time would you you suggest? amazing how some laws can be over looked for votes

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No. It is amazing to think that everything that is being done is being done for votes. That flies both ways. There was a Senate bipartisan bill that died in the House. Now, Trump is pushing that every illegal should be deported. That is getting traction from the right. Now, many of the Republican candidates are marching in line with him. Aren't they doing that for votes?

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Hoover, Truman & Ike: Mass Deporters? (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/07/hoover-truman-ike-mass-deporters/)

Fact check on Presidents and deportations.

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No. It is amazing to think that everything that is being done is being done for votes. That flies both ways. There was a Senate bipartisan bill that died in the House. Now, Trump is pushing that every illegal should be deported. That is getting traction from the right. Now, many of the Republican candidates are marching in line with him. Aren't they doing that for votes?

Maybe they are. That's what I said, didn't I? But, the only reason they are jumping on the band wagon is because Trump IS getting traction. Why? Because AMERICANs want to get rid of the Illegal Aliens. Liberals see only the benefit to them.....votes. Labor unions also support legalizing the illegals because that means more members for them, which means more money they can steal. Different from politicians in that the unions want to take from the poor man and the liberals want to take from the rich. They act like they want to give the rich man's money to the poor, but that money never makes it down to them.

Enforcing the current immigration laws would help the economy. If anyone that hired an illegal was arrested and fined, there would be no jobs for Illegals. They would go home on their own, or do like some of them and become career criminals. And instead of deporting hardened criminals, we should lock those suckers up like we would any other scumbag criminal.

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Hoover, Truman & Ike: Mass Deporters? (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/07/hoover-truman-ike-mass-deporters/)

Fact check on Presidents and deportations.

To summarize:

Hoover = 121,000 deported
Truman = 3.4 MILLION
Eisenhower = 2.1 Million

That was without the advanced technology we have now. So, it can be done.

For the liberals, think of how much we would save on health care...:thumbup:

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For old people, think how much that would cost social security, and Medicare.

No. Americans don't want to get rid of illegals immigrants. White right wing Republicans do.

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For old people, think how much that would cost social security, and Medicare.

No. Americans don't want to get rid of illegals immigrants. White right wing Republicans do.

Why do you racists find the need to post your hateful comments.

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Why do you racists find the need to post your hateful comments.

What has race got to do with illegal aliens?
When you enter the U.S. Illegally you have committed a crime no matter your country of origin!

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For old people, think how much that would cost social security, and Medicare.

No. Americans don't want to get rid of illegals immigrants. White right wing Republicans do.

If you are going to make trolling your thing, you really ought to come up with something to support you ridiculous statements. Who cares how removing illegals would affect SS and Medicare? Illegals already cost America way too much.

You really think that only white right wing Republicans want to remove illegals? If you are that naive, then you better do a bit more browsing of the Internet. Google is your friend, especially liberals. Your comment is baseless, totally without merit. Totally ludicrous. Even the polls don't support you. 60% or more feel that the U.S. is not aggressive enough on illegal aliens. And the more Trump talks the more folks support his view.

If you are going to Troll, at least have enough skill to research your Huffington Post before coming on here.

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Hillary is in trouble. It seems that only the ultra liberal left wing are still supporting her. Old time Democrats are disappointed and disgusted with her. They are still waiting for someone to come out of the woodwork to give them some semblance of a voting platform. But, it's still a long way until election day.

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For old people, think how much that would cost social security, and Medicare.

No. Americans don't want to get rid of illegals immigrants. White right wing Republicans do.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
That is so :censored: funny.
Do you know any that are original and not just pull the string caliber replays?

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Maybe they are. That's what I said, didn't I? But, the only reason they are jumping on the band wagon is because Trump IS getting traction. Why? Because AMERICANs want to get rid of the Illegal Aliens. Liberals see only the benefit to them.....votes. Labor unions also support legalizing the illegals because that means more members for them, which means more money they can steal. Different from politicians in that the unions want to take from the poor man and the liberals want to take from the rich. They act like they want to give the rich man's money to the poor, but that money never makes it down to them.

Enforcing the current immigration laws would help the economy. If anyone that hired an illegal was arrested and fined, there would be no jobs for Illegals. They would go home on their own, or do like some of them and become career criminals. And instead of deporting hardened criminals, we should lock those suckers up like we would any other scumbag criminal.

If all of these illegal workers were rounded up and deported - tell me what would happen to the factories, services, and farms that depend on them for their work that will not be accepted by American workers.

Please read the book called "Postville, A Clash of Cultures". Very good book and tells what happened to one town in Iowa in such a circumstance.

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For old people, think how much that would cost social security, and Medicare.

No. Americans don't want to get rid of illegals immigrants. White right wing Republicans do.

Illegal immigrant workers are paying into Social Security. They are paying and and never will do any collecting. You old white Tea Bag men should thank them for their contributions.

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Illegal immigrant workers are paying into Social Security. They are paying and and never will do any collecting. You old white Tea Bag men should thank them for their contributions.

You know, you children should go home and quickly.

What is the point of using the hate filled terms you use. You are the first to call others names so quickly with absolutely no discussion of the issue raised.

I, personally, find your lack of adult contributions to any forum to be obscene.

Yes, without calling me names, illegals pay into the Social Security "suspense" fund. It is called suspense because almost all of it is based on false or expired social security numbers thus there is no record of the individual.

Immigration policy will not be settled by our President making arbitrary proclamations and please dont refer to the senate passed immigration bill that he alludes to in all his political speeches because that was just another of "my way or the highway" deals. It made no reference at all to enforcing US law at the borders.

What you children are doing, ie., calling names and making snide comments, is also happening in Washington by so called adults.

Lost in all this rhetoric going on by both sides of he aisle is a point, highlighted this week by Scott Walker this past week when he said......

"Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says he’s not taking a position on whether people born in the United States should automatically be granted citizenship, saying the southern border must first be secured and laws enforced before dealing with other aspects of immigration policy."

Scott Walker: Need to secure the border, enforce laws before talking about birthright citizenship - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/21/scott-walker-need-secure-border-talking-about-birt/)

Now I am no fan of Scott Walker at all, but he said it, albeit maybe in error in a clear manner.

You and the other children who want to call names must realize. NO SOLUTION TO IMMIGRATION WITHOUT BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE TALKING AND TALKING FRANKLY. It is much to complicated to start with and you cannot do what the President did and simply sign something and say that is it. You also cannot simply throw out cliches.

SOMEDAY, these people will learn, perhaps in the wrong way, that there needs to be discussion and the hate filled statements in the post I am responding to have go to stop. There has to be an adult in the room somewhere !

Secure the border...then sit down and talk non stop on how to solve this problem.

We have this problem for a number of reasons, primarly being we have not, nor do so in the present, enforce our US laws at all.

I have always said that this country was founded on the rule of law, and if we abide by that premise, all problems can be solved.

So, for you hate filled folks...study up and lets talk about what we do AFTER WE SECURE OUR BORDERS. But ,adults do not call names.

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More blathering from the right wing nut Scott Walker. He has no idea of what to do so let's just say "Secure the border".



Who would do your scut work in factories, services, or other jobs that American will not do? If the illegals do not do them, these places will either go out of business or YOU will pay a whole lot more for those services and goods.

Once again, read, "Postville, A Clash of Cultures". You will learn the consequences of the actions you want to accomplish.

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More blathering from the right wing nut Scott Walker. He has no idea of what to do so let's just say "Secure the border".



Who would do your scut work in factories, services, or other jobs that American will not do? If the illegals do not do them, these places will either go out of business or YOU will pay a whole lot more for those services and goods.

Once again, read, "Postville, A Clash of Cultures". You will learn the consequences of the actions you want to accomplish.

YOU, whomever you are, have a very serious reading and comprehension problem.

You read that entire post, all the links and all you respond with is a "shot" on Walker. Reference to Walker was incidental.

WOW..no wonder we have problems

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More blathering from the right wing nut Scott Walker. He has no idea of what to do so let's just say "Secure the border".



Who would do your scut work in factories, services, or other jobs that American will not do? If the illegals do not do them, these places will either go out of business or YOU will pay a whole lot more for those services and goods.

Once again, read, "Postville, A Clash of Cultures". You will learn the consequences of the actions you want to accomplish.

Silly child. We have a migrant workers program. If the factories are going to have to shut down due to deportation of it's workers, then they are running illegally anyway. Silly person, the only jobs no one will take are the ones that don't pay enough. Instead of yelling about minimum wage increases, get rid of the illegals and then the businesses will have to raise their wages in order to get help. It's a win-win situation.

Why you do insist on protecting criminals? Are you anti-American?

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Illegal immigrant workers are paying into Social Security. They are paying and and never will do any collecting. You old white Tea Bag men should thank them for their contributions.

There would be nothing for the illegals to come to the U.S. For if it weren't for the old white men and women that created a great country!

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There would be nothing for the illegals to come to the U.S. For if it weren't for the old white men and women that created a great country!

Amen!

What have the younger generation contributed so far? Gave meaning to the term "Freeloaders." Initiated vulgar language into prime time TV. Never mind, I can't think of anything that they contributed in a positive way. I believe I am starting to "evolve" my opinion regarding abortion. Maybe legalize post natal abortions....:pepper2:

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Secure the border, and then talk non stop the immigration problem. Boehner tried to sell that nonsense. Breakup up the immigration bill into parts. The first part being securing the border. Everyone knew there would never be a second step.

The Senate immigration bill was take it or leave it. It was reported in many places that the Senate bill would have been approved, if it was put on the House floor for a vote. Nobody was twisting anybody's arm. President Obama acted, because he knew nothing would ever get done with the current state of politics.

As long as the Republicans keep this hard line nothing is going to get done on immigration including building a beautiful 2,000 mile 20 foot high fence.

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Everyone knows that you can't bail the water from a boat successfully until you stop the leak. The border leak has to be stopped first before you can do anything about the criminal invaders that saturate our country.

The Dems policy when given a task that sound tough, is to just legalize it and tax it. Then see if they can get some more votes out of it. Make it look like they accomplished something historic and pat themselves on the back.

My plan:
Secure the border
Prosecute anyone hiring an illegal

Any illegals still in our country after the work dries up, can be deported unless they commit another crime in our country. If so, then they are tried and imprisoned like any other common criminal.

It really is as simple as that. Cost? Sure, but we waste money on stupid grants for studies all the time. Take the money out of foreign aid. Tell the countries that there will be a moratorium on foreign aid until we get control of the flow of illegals into our country.

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Secure the border, and then talk non stop the immigration problem. Boehner tried to sell that nonsense. Breakup up the immigration bill into parts. The first part being securing the border. Everyone knew there would never be a second step.

The Senate immigration bill was take it or leave it. It was reported in many places that the Senate bill would have been approved, if it was put on the House floor for a vote. Nobody was twisting anybody's arm. President Obama acted, because he knew nothing would ever get done with the current state of politics.

As long as the Republicans keep this hard line nothing is going to get done on immigration including building a beautiful 2,000 mile 20 foot high fence.

Securing the border is NONSENSE ? I am glad that this GUEST thing exists because if I knew who said enforcing US law was nonsense, I could never forget that username.

ENFORCE THE LAW...you would think that the President of the United States, who took an oath relative to US law, would be the first to say that.

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Secure the border, and then talk non stop the immigration problem. Boehner tried to sell that nonsense. Breakup up the immigration bill into parts. The first part being securing the border. Everyone knew there would never be a second step.


This is the response to that quote. Securing the border is NONSENSE ? I am glad that this GUEST thing exists because if I knew who said enforcing US law was nonsense, I could never forget that username.

Please explain to the Guest, where it says that securing the border was nonsense! Capitalizing nonsense. Stupidity always needs a touch, and capitalization is that nice touch.

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Secure the Mexican border with a huge wall. Round up and deport all 11 million illegals. Intrepret the Constitution to say children born in the USA are not citizens.

All very good ideas.

...and the Republicans wonder why they cannot get a higher number of the important Hispanic voting bloc.

Come on, you need the Hispanics to help you win the White House in 2016.

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Is the suggest being made or the statement inferred that the Mexicans that are here legally or are now citizens are for everything that is happening illegaly with their contrymen?

If yes, would that further suggest that things like race, gender, religion or political party are all that matters and even if the participants are illegal, immoral or unethical that is OK with them?

That is what it is starting to look and sound like.

Clinton...dishonest! Unethical? Liar? Presidential candidate?

Mexican aliens.....no visa? Illegal border crossing? Illegal oresence in the USA? Still able to enjoy same rights (or more) as legal and natural citizens!

I may be naieve but I just don't think people abandon right from wrong because of their race, religion, gender or political party. The radicals, those who follow blindly it is expected....but they should be in the minority.....I continue to hope.

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Secure the Mexican border with a huge wall. Round up and deport all 11 million illegals. Intrepret the Constitution to say children born in the USA are not citizens.

All very good ideas.

...and the Republicans wonder why they cannot get a higher number of the important Hispanic voting bloc.

Come on, you need the Hispanics to help you win the White House in 2016.

Actually, you are wrong and naive. But, that is why you liberals have that can't do attitude. Besides, any legal immigrant that has waited in line for any substantial period of time to come in here LEGALLY, isn't so easily con'd by the Dems that want to buy their vote, ......as well as their soul.

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Secure the Mexican border with a huge wall. Round up and deport all 11 million illegals. Intrepret the Constitution to say children born in the USA are not citizens.

All very good ideas.

...and the Republicans wonder why they cannot get a higher number of the important Hispanic voting bloc.

Come on, you need the Hispanics to help you win the White House in 2016.

Are you saying that you liberals get the illegal alien vote?

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I guess I'm wondering who would do the same kind of work that illegals do for farmers, cleaning business, and restaurants...at the pay they get... surely not the average American boy on the street!

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I guess I'm wondering who would do the same kind of work that illegals do for farmers, cleaning business, and restaurants...at the pay they get... surely not the average American boy on the street!

SO, you are against minimum wages. And you figure that you would rather circumvent the tax system also. I thought all you liberals were all about more taxes.

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Actually, you are wrong and naive. But, that is why you liberals have that can't do attitude. Besides, any legal immigrant that has waited in line for any substantial period of time to come in here LEGALLY, isn't so easily con'd by the Dems that want to buy their vote, ......as well as their soul.

No, it is not me that is wrong about Hispanics shying away from Republicans. It is absolutely true.

Of course, it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with someone like you who has a serious dementia issue.

I pity your caretaker.

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I guess I'm wondering who would do the same kind of work that illegals do for farmers, cleaning business, and restaurants...at the pay they get... surely not the average American boy on the street!

If you liberals stopped with the handouts, "the average American boy on the steeet" would take those jobs.

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No, it is not me that is wrong about Hispanics shying away from Republicans. It is absolutely true.

Of course, it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with someone like you who has a serious dementia issue.

I pity your caretaker.

I have noticed that every time you get upset, you attempt to slur instead of converse civilly. That's either a maturity problem, or a.....maturity problem. Please feel free to explain where you feel Republicans have been the cause of "Hispanics shying away..." The only Hispanics that should have any grudge should be the illegals. And why would we care about illegals, other than they are the cause of some problems in America and need to be expelled from our country. I can see where you would be upset. After all, you Dems are losing ground and really need an infusion of illegal voters. But, don't mind me, unlike you I live in the Villages and apparently have a "dementia issue". Wonder what that says of you, if I am handicapped and you can't win a simple debate. Hang in there, because when you grow up, you too may have to deal with those younger and smarter folks. Hope you are half as smart as you think you are now when you reach my age.

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I have noticed that every time you get upset, you attempt to slur instead of converse civilly. That's either a maturity problem, or a.....maturity problem. Please feel free to explain where you feel Republicans have been the cause of "Hispanics shying away..." The only Hispanics that should have any grudge should be the illegals. And why would we care about illegals, other than they are the cause of some problems in America and need to be expelled from our country. I can see where you would be upset. After all, you Dems are losing ground and really need an infusion of illegal voters. But, don't mind me, unlike you I live in the Villages and apparently have a "dementia issue". Wonder what that says of you, if I am handicapped and you can't win a simple debate. Hang in there, because when you grow up, you too may have to deal with those younger and smarter folks. Hope you are half as smart as you think you are now when you reach my age.

Tell me what percentage of the Republican party is made up of Hispanics or blacks? What is the average age of the Republican voter?

As you can see, those demographics go to the Democratic Party.

As for you living in The Villages, good for you. It obviously is a bastion of Republican voters who are just living out their remaining days spouting off their rants while being fed their pills and having their Depends changed by their caregiver. Check out the world outside your bubble firsthand and you just might change viewpoints on topics.

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Tell me what percentage of the Republican party is made up of Hispanics or blacks? What is the average age of the Republican voter?

As you can see, those demographics go to the Democratic Party.

As for you living in The Villages, good for you. It obviously is a bastion of Republican voters who are just living out their remaining days spouting off their rants while being fed their pills and having their Depends changed by their caregiver. Check out the world outside your bubble firsthand and you just might change viewpoints on topics.

All you are telling me is that the left buys minority votes. Like I said before, the ones that join the Republican party are the ones that are here legally, believe in the proper procedure for obtaining citizenship and do not respect those that break our laws. If the demographics are so important to the election, how do you explain a Republican majority in congress? I wonder what kind of crazy answer you will give me for that. Probably another slur.

You must be really scared of The Villages if you find the need to troll our little blog with your rants and slurs. Yes, we do live in a bubble. How nice it is! Someday, when you get old enough, you can join us. We don't make it a prerequisite that you be conservative, just civil. By the way, addressing your peevish little rant about "being fed" our pills, I can proudly say that I take no medicine other than daily vitamins. Hope you can still say that when you reach my age. If you live that long.

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The Republican nominee will need to garner at least 40 percent of the Hispanic vote in order to win in 2016. That is a high mark to hope for considering that Romney got only 23 percent of the Hispanic vote. Trump's outrageous comments are not going to make him popular with Hispanics and that rings true with comments from other candidates as well.

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Hillary Clinton - Position on Immigration (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/immigration/a/Hillary-Clintons-Postion-On-Illegal-Immigrants.htm)

Got to get some other positions on immigration than the Donald's up here.

I doubt if any Democratic contender wants illegal immigrants who commit crimes to be kept in the country.

Dear Guest: If you doubt that Democrats want to keep illegal immigrants who committed in this country than please explain SANCTUARY CITIES.

It is inconceivable that any president/congress will move forward with mass deportation. Its a nice thought as a simple solution in the abstract but when it comes to reality it gets really ugly. All threats of deportation is going to do is drive people underground. It is better to offer incentives/opportunities
In my view those who state we have to secure the borders first are right. And then yo know your going to see a mad rush by illegals to get in before the the border is fully secured. One way to deal with that onslaught is to establish a cut off entry date.

Then deal with the illegals aliens who are here now

Voters need to learn the difference between bravado and fact.

Personal Best Regards:

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[QUOTE=Guest;1104***]Dear Guest: If you doubt that Democrats want to keep illegal immigrants who committed in this country than please explain SANCTUARY CITIES.

It is inconceivable that any president/congress will move forward with mass deportation. Its a nice thought as a simple solution in the abstract but when it comes to reality it gets really ugly. All threats of deportation is going to do is drive people underground. It is better to offer incentives/opportunities
In my view those who state we have to secure the borders first are right. And then yo know your going to see a mad rush by illegals to get in before the the border is fully secured. One way to deal with that onslaught is to establish a cut off entry date.

Then deal with the illegals aliens who are here now

Voters need to learn the difference between bravado and fact.QUOTE]

I am very surprised by your post. It was very well written and you, for once, are right on the mark. Keep it up.

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We don't need new immigration laws. We need to enforce the ones we have.

Secure the borders
Deport illegals as they are caught by police (ie, traffic stops, etc.)
Arrest and fine anyone hiring illegals.

Simple, and illegal migration will slow to a trickle and finally almost nonexistent.

I keep hearing the liberals and even some Republicans that whine that it is impossible to deport millions of illegals. What would you do if they were captured soldiers of an invading army? Like they used to say in the service "impossible just takes a little longer."

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The Republican nominee will need to garner at least 40 percent of the Hispanic vote in order to win in 2016. That is a high mark to hope for considering that Romney got only 23 percent of the Hispanic vote. Trump's outrageous comments are not going to make him popular with Hispanics and that rings true with comments from other candidates as well.

Not true. You are assuming that they might turn out to vote for Hillary. You also are not taking into consideration the Independent vote, which is probably larger than either the Republican or the Democrat vote. You are giving the Hispanics way more credit than truth. Wishful thinking, I suspect.

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Not true. You are assuming that they might turn out to vote for Hillary. You also are not taking into consideration the Independent vote, which is probably larger than either the Republican or the Democrat vote. You are giving the Hispanics way more credit than truth. Wishful thinking, I suspect.

No where in my post did I mention Clinton. I stated that Romney got only 23 percent Hispanic vote and the GOP needs at least 40 percent of the Hispanic vote to win. These are statistics that have been proven. Check it out in some research and you will learn something.

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No where in my post did I mention Clinton. I stated that Romney got only 23 percent Hispanic vote and the GOP needs at least 40 percent of the Hispanic vote to win. These are statistics that have been proven. Check it out in some research and you will learn something.

Because if Clinton is the nominee then how much Hispanic turnout do you think the Democrat party will get? How much black turnout? Your percentage is/was based on a white republican and a black socialist that promised the moon to the Hispanics and gave them nothing. He fooled the Latins twice. Do you think they will be fooled again? Without the turnout, and no having the Independent majority vote, Hilary would not have a chance in a blue moon. It won't matter which Republican candidate is the nominee if the Dem candidate does not have the minority turnout going for them. I doubt there is any Dem candidate that will get the majority Independent vote this time. Independents generally lean to the right of center.