Roundabout misdirect?

[twoplanekid]

Have I misread some of the advice presented on this forum where it is recommended that I stay in the left lane when turning left to continue to the gate keeper station rather than drift over to the right for the resident�s gate? This new illustration seems to imply that no one in the right lane should turn left. That being the case, one in the left turn lane could drift to the right for the resident�s gate. An example of this would be traveling south on Buena Vista to enter the roundabout turning left to be on Hillsborough Trail heading to my house in the Village of Lake Deaton. Yet, I see many people in this roundabout right lane turning left as they head for the right side lane for the residential gate.

If true, the markings in the roundabouts could be refined to show no left turn from the right lane. What do you think about this new take on this no left turn from the right lane?

See what is on the district office web site
(( Remember: To avoid conflict, do not use the right-hand lane to make a left turn through the roundabout.))

http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

[tomwed]

Welcome to the Villages! We're here to help.

[JoMar]

No left turn from the right lane. When you head to the gate there is a solid line for a short while then a broken line. If no one is in the resident lane that's when you move over. If someone is in the lane I will go through the visitors gate or wait until the resident line ends. Of course if you are the only one in the circle and nobody is waiting to get into the circle you can slide over. I have been here a year and have seen two accidents when a left turn is made from the right lane. I always use turn signals in the round a bout and always expect the guy in the right lane will turn left or if I am in the right lane the guy in the left lane will slide to the right lane when exiting. In a month or two, it will get exponentially worse.

[Bonny]

:popcorn: :wine:

[surgees]

:popcorn: :wine:

I love it Bonnie... hope you don't mind if we pull up chairs and join you!

:beer3:

[Bonny]

I love it Bonnie... hope you don't mind if we pull up chairs and join you!

:beer3:
Absolutely and I'll enjoy a beer or 2 with you. :beer3:

[villagetinker]

Have I misread some of the advice presented on this forum where it is recommended that I stay in the left lane when turning left to continue to the gate keeper station rather than drift over to the right for the resident�s gate? This new illustration seems to imply that no one in the right lane should turn left. That being the case, one in the left turn lane could drift to the right for the resident�s gate. An example of this would be traveling south on Buena Vista to enter the roundabout turning left to be on Hillsborough Trail heading to my house in the Village of Lake Deaton. Yet, I see many people in this roundabout right lane turning left as they head for the right side lane for the residential gate.

If true, the markings in the roundabouts could be refined to show no left turn from the right lane. What do you think about this new take on this no left turn from the right lane?

See what is on the district office web site
(( Remember: To avoid conflict, do not use the right-hand lane to make a left turn through the roundabout.))

http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

Personally I do not think additional lane markings will help, there are too many people who do not read, understand, or just completely ignore signs.
When there is traffic, I simply go in the visitor gate. These have a card reader also. It would be nice if the card readers were located earlier in the lane. I have had my card out, and the gate master was already at the door, and I am explaining that I am a resident....Oh well.

[tomwed]

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[Bryan]

There is no such thing as a "left turn from a roundabout". All turns from the roundabout are right turns. It just depends on whether you go 90 degrees around (a logical right turn), 180 degrees (logically straight through the roundabout), or 270 degrees (a logical left turn from your entry point). Keep in mind that anyone in the right lane at a roundabout, your lane goes right at the exit (every exit). If you do not want to exit at that point, you are "officially" changing lanes into the other (left) lane to continue straight around the roundabout (or crossing the left lane to return to the right lane after the exit you did not take) and it is your job to make sure that lane change or lane crossing can be done safely. For people driving in the inside lane of a roundabout, at each exit their lane splits and they can turn right on continue around the roundabout without changing lanes in either case. They have the right of way to make the right turn.

[JMEZARIC3]

There is no such thing as a "left turn from a roundabout". All turns from the roundabout are right turns. It just depends on whether you go 90 degrees around (a logical right turn), 180 degrees (logically straight through the roundabout), or 270 degrees (a logical left turn from your entry point). Keep in mind that anyone in the right lane at a roundabout, your lane goes right at the exit (every exit). If you do not want to exit at that point, you are "officially" changing lanes into the other (left) lane to continue straight around the roundabout (or crossing the left lane to return to the right lane after the exit you did not take) and it is your job to make sure that lane change or lane crossing can be done safely. For people driving in the inside lane of a roundabout, at each exit their lane splits and they can turn right on continue around the roundabout without changing lanes in either case. They have the right of way to make the right turn.

The right lane(outside lane) should never be used to travel 270 or 360 degrees in a roundabout,only use the right lane to travel 90 or 180 degrees.Why 270 and 360 degree travel is allowed makes no sense to me.I try to avoid having any traffic next to me when entering a roundabout,too many drivers change lane in roundabouts.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Have I misread some of the advice presented on this forum where it is recommended that I stay in the left lane when turning left to continue to the gate keeper station rather than drift over to the right for the resident�s gate? This new illustration seems to imply that no one in the right lane should turn left. That being the case, one in the left turn lane could drift to the right for the resident�s gate. An example of this would be traveling south on Buena Vista to enter the roundabout turning left to be on Hillsborough Trail heading to my house in the Village of Lake Deaton. Yet, I see many people in this roundabout right lane turning left as they head for the right side lane for the residential gate.

If true, the markings in the roundabouts could be refined to show no left turn from the right lane. What do you think about this new take on this no left turn from the right lane?

See what is on the district office web site
(( Remember: To avoid conflict, do not use the right-hand lane to make a left turn through the roundabout.))

http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

Yes that is all correct. The only thing about changing lanes to get to the resident's gate is that you have to be very aware of people in the right hand lane who might not understand the rule. You also want to be aware of people that are entering at the entrance just before your exit.

I think that calling these left and right hand turns complicate the matter. I always think of entering and exiting the round about at points on a clock face. You enter at 6:00. if you intend to exit at 3:00 you must use the right hand lane. You may use either lane if you are going to exit at 12:00 (going straight through) and you must use the left hand lane if you intend to exit at 9:00.
These may also be referred to as the first, second and third exits.

The problem with talking about left and right hand turns is that all three exits require a right hand turn.

However you look at it, you need to be very aware of cars in the other lanes and expect them to do the unexpected. We have a lot of visitors and new people here. Many of them don't know or understand the rules yet. I had a woman take the third exit from the right hand lane when I was taking the second exist from the left hand lane. If had not jammed on my brakes, I would have hit her in the drivers side door. But, I was watching her in the mirror and at least knew she was there.

And always, when entering a round about, always put down your cell phone and refrain from texting while in the round about.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

No left turn from the right lane. When you head to the gate there is a solid line for a short while then a broken line. If no one is in the resident lane that's when you move over. If someone is in the lane I will go through the visitors gate or wait until the resident line ends. Of course if you are the only one in the circle and nobody is waiting to get into the circle you can slide over. I have been here a year and have seen two accidents when a left turn is made from the right lane. I always use turn signals in the round a bout and always expect the guy in the right lane will turn left or if I am in the right lane the guy in the left lane will slide to the right lane when exiting. In a month or two, it will get exponentially worse.

Turn signals in round abouts always confuse me. People put them on at different times. I don't know if they're changing lanes or what they think they're doing.
I've been in back of people that put on their left hand turn signal when entering the round about then switch to the right hand signal when exiting.

I don't believe that the law calls for signals when using round abouts and I don't know that they make any difference. Like I said, they just confuse me.

[outlaw]

There is no such thing as a "left turn from a roundabout". All turns from the roundabout are right turns. It just depends on whether you go 90 degrees around (a logical right turn), 180 degrees (logically straight through the roundabout), or 270 degrees (a logical left turn from your entry point). Keep in mind that anyone in the right lane at a roundabout, your lane goes right at the exit (every exit). If you do not want to exit at that point, you are "officially" changing lanes into the other (left) lane to continue straight around the roundabout (or crossing the left lane to return to the right lane after the exit you did not take) and it is your job to make sure that lane change or lane crossing can be done safely. For people driving in the inside lane of a roundabout, at each exit their lane splits and they can turn right on continue around the roundabout without changing lanes in either case. They have the right of way to make the right turn.

Common sense approach....except the signs don't say that. The signs say you should not exit the first exit from where you entered.

[The Buckeyes]

Since you may be holding a counterfeit card the gate master is obligated to ask you three questions before you can pass.

1. What is your name?
2. What is the purpose of your visit?
3. Why did you wake me up?

[Bogie Shooter]

It has been a while since we have had a roundabout thread.
Why not just search for one of the old ones....the opinions NEVER change.
I am betting 75 posts on this thread.

[Bonny]

The last post on the last thread called, Roundabout Solutions, was made July 26th, a month ago, and there were 18 pages. Just FYI

[outlaw]

And yet, we keep reading.....

[golfing eagles]

And yet, we keep reading.....

and yet we keep posting as well.......
Therefore, I will repeat what I think is the number one rule of roundabouts and the way to avoid most accidents-----YIELD. Statistically, over 70% of all accidents are caused by a failure to yield the right of way. Those entering a RB need to YIELD to anyone in EITHER lane of the RB. A car going in the "left" lane from the south intends to go 180 and continue north. A car entering from the east may choose to use the right lane to go 180 to the west. OOPS!!! Both were following the correct procedure, EXCEPT the car entering from the east has to wait until the car in the left lane passes. Too often I see people enter the right lane if IT is clear, regardless of traffic in the left lane--this is a set up for disaster. BTW, this is true on straight roads with 2 or more lanes each direction, not just RBs The law states you CANNOT turn onto a road from say a stop sign or a parking lot until ALL lanes are clear of oncoming traffic. This is to avoid someone changing lanes right into you, and is analogous to the RB scenario above, yet drivers do it all the time. How often are you driving in the left lane on a regular straightaway and someone shoots out of a side street into the right lane? Or is he/she shooting into your lane? Or is she/he swinging out too wide?
Another good rule---never drive side by side with another car in a RB---it is just asking for trouble--pass or drop back, but don't rely on the other guy to have a clue as to what he/she is doing

[outlaw]

and yet we keep posting as well.......
Therefore, I will repeat what I think is the number one rule of roundabouts and the way to avoid most accidents-----YIELD. Statistically, over 70% of all accidents are caused by a failure to yield the right of way. Those entering a RB need to YIELD to anyone in EITHER lane of the RB. A car going in the "left" lane from the south intends to go 180 and continue north. A car entering from the east may choose to use the right lane to go 180 to the west. OOPS!!! Both were following the correct procedure, EXCEPT the car entering from the east has to wait until the car in the left lane passes. Too often I see people enter the right lane if IT is clear, regardless of traffic in the left lane--this is a set up for disaster. BTW, this is true on straight roads with 2 or more lanes each direction, not just RBs The law states you CANNOT turn onto a road from say a stop sign or a parking lot until ALL lanes are clear of oncoming traffic. This is to avoid someone changing lanes right into you, and is analogous to the RB scenario above, yet drivers do it all the time. How often are you driving in the left lane on a regular straightaway and someone shoots out of a side street into the right lane? Or is he/she shooting into your lane? Or is she/he swinging out too wide?
Another good rule---never drive side by side with another car in a RB---it is just asking for trouble--pass or drop back, but don't rely on the other guy to have a clue as to what he/she is doing

Didn't know that.

[alzjr]

Roundabout 101
Slow to 20 mph or less BEFORE reaching the yield sign
Yield to ALL traffic already in the roundabout
Never change lanes while in the roundabout
Never stop while in the roundabout

[kittygilchrist]

I am not caught up in this issue again, but I frequently enter my gate turning left, or going to the third exit, or 270 degrees. I never use the resident gate unless traffic is really backed up at the visitor gate.
I do not really care for the brochure on safe practices, as it could put me in harm's way to swerve at the last impossible instant to the resident lane with traffic that is supposed to yield, and whom I cannot always trust or have good visual on, while I am passing in front of them. The brochure by my research done formerly, did not concur with federal guidelines.

Naah. I am not caught up...beep beep!

[twoplanekid]

After reading all of the posts on roundabouts again and again, I would like to see the Villages roundabouts marked as in this video for the Buena Vista and Hillsborough roundabout and all that have a bypass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_mFDov7xp4

[Bogie Shooter]

Same old, same old.

[twoplanekid]

Same old, same old.

I am sorry. I didn't know that these specific markings had been used before in TV.

[tomwed]

After reading all of the posts on roundabouts again and again, I would like to see the Villages roundabouts marked as in this video for the Buena Vista and Hillsborough roundabout and all that have a bypass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_mFDov7xp4
That is a great youtube and I'm glad you found it. If a picture is worth a thousand words. what is a simulation worth?

This is the software that was used to create the youtube simulation. The smarter, faster way for model-based system development | VisSim (http://www.vissim.com/)

I would like to see someone create a VisSim for all the circles as they are now designed and put them on youtube. I would like to see the names of the streets and watch the traffic flow.

I think that would be most helpful. Does anyone have any expertise in modeling software?