I apologize.

[graciegirl]

Yesterday I was way overboard in my reaction to a fairly new poster asking about boil notices.

I don't know why I feel the need to always defend this place that my husband and daughter and I now call our primary residence. I never felt this way before about any of the nice places that we lived.

I was happy in those homes and in those areas and my life there was satisfactory. I never felt the need to correct folks I knew that were unhappy with how things were run or looked or how people acted. I was not interested in their motives for being negative and just continued to go on living with the ups and downs that life brings and accepting of those who were unhappy with things that didn't bother me at all.

We worked as hard as we could early on in our married lives and saved as much as we could to buy a home in a relatively safe area with a decent school system to raise our kids. We tried to improve education by voting for school bonds and doing what we could to keep our own property nice and choosing to buy in a deed restricted area so as to protect our investment. We chose to live in a city that had excellent health care to meet the needs of our daughter who was born with Williams Syndrome and needed some very expert surgeries and medical attention.

We lived and worked and made friends and did what we thought we should do with local organizations and clubs and the church that seemed to focus on the things we believed in.

And we grew older and were thinking to retire and t we stumbled upon The Villages

At first I was skeptical and unbelieving that this place could really be as nice as it was presented. I was very skeptical that people could really live and enjoy life in their later years as much as the people who lived in The Villages appeared to be enjoying it.

We bought a home here and began to be seasonal residents and I was just plain overwhelmed with the happiness and fulfillment that I was experiencing and the skill that apparently had been used to dream and build this way of life for seniors.

And I got worse and worse until four years ago we moved here full time. I now identify with this place as if it were my dream and my plan instead of a very lucky rainy afternoon that brought us here purely by accident.

I have little patience with anyone who doesn't feel as lucky and fulfilled to be here. I am skeptical of anyone who is negative about it. I don't drink or smoke marijuana so this euphoria is self induced and my impatience with non believers is my own character weakness.

I am not a hoarder or an extreme health enthusiast high on endorphins or possessions. I have turned into a terrible, obsessed villager and I want nothing to do with those who don't see it my way. I am obsessed with The Villages.

There were three negative threads yesterday started by three relatively new posters and the boil water one was when I lost it. I jumped on the poster and I was not patient or kind. I am very sorry that I wrote what I did.

I cannot change my obsession with this place nor do I want to, but I can remember that I was brought up better than I acted yesterday.

I was rude to a person for no good reason and I apologize to her for how I acted.

I will try to do better.


Have a wonderful day in The Villages.

[Taltarzac725]

I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to the boil notices but you are a real grace to this Forum.

Hopefully, whoever you feel you offended did not take it personally.

[Villager Joyce]

Although I have never met you, I respect your opinions And believe you to Be a kind and good person. Your apology proved I am a good judge of character. That being said, every month or so a new poster Comes on and when questioned goes into the "You are a Mean person" or a bully. I was on the receiiving end of one of thsee posters and came out looking like a person who eats children and pets for breakfast. I felt in this case, YOU were the victim.

[KayakerNC]

Although I have never met you, I respect your opinions And believe you to Be a kind and good person. Your apology proved I am a good judge of character. That being said, every month or so a new poster Comes on and when questioned goes into the "You are a Mean person" or a bully. I was on the receiiving end of one of thsee posters and came out looking like a person who eats children and pets for breakfast. I felt in this case, YOU were the victim.

:agree: 100%

[manaboutown]

Hi, GG.

You are a wonderful person who tries to help people understand and enjoy The Villages.

That poster is the problem, not you.

[dbussone]

Hi, GG.

You are a wonderful person who tries to help people understand and enjoy The Villages.

That poster is the problem, not you.

Amen!

[jebartle]

we all stumble but I'm still waiting for you. TOTV is better because of you.

[Boomer]

Yesterday I was way overboard in my reaction to a fairly new poster asking about boil notices.

I don't know why I feel the need to always defend this place that my husband and daughter and I now call our primary residence. I never felt this way before about any of the nice places that we lived.

I was happy in those homes and in those areas and my life there was satisfactory. I never felt the need to correct folks I knew that were unhappy with how things were run or looked or how people acted. I was not interested in their motives for being negative and just continued to go on living with the ups and downs that life brings and accepting of those who were unhappy with things that didn't bother me at all.

We worked as hard as we could early on in our married lives and saved as much as we could to buy a home in a relatively safe area with a decent school system to raise our kids. We tried to improve education by voting for school bonds and doing what we could to keep our own property nice and choosing to buy in a deed restricted area so as to protect our investment. We chose to live in a city that had excellent health care to meet the needs of our daughter who was born with Williams Syndrome and needed some very expert surgeries and medical attention.

We lived and worked and made friends and did what we thought we should do with local organizations and clubs and the church that seemed to focus on the things we believed in.

And we grew older and were thinking to retire and t we stumbled upon The Villages

At first I was skeptical and unbelieving that this place could really be as nice as it was presented. I was very skeptical that people could really live and enjoy life in their later years as much as the people who lived in The Villages appeared to be enjoying it.

We bought a home here and began to be seasonal residents and I was just plain overwhelmed with the happiness and fulfillment that I was experiencing and the skill that apparently had been used to dream and build this way of life for seniors.

And I got worse and worse until four years ago we moved here full time. I now identify with this place as if it were my dream and my plan instead of a very lucky rainy afternoon that brought us here purely by accident.

I have little patience with anyone who doesn't feel as lucky and fulfilled to be here. I am skeptical of anyone who is negative about it. I don't drink or smoke marijuana so this euphoria is self induced and my impatience with non believers is my own character weakness.

I am not a hoarder or an extreme health enthusiast high on endorphins or possessions. I have turned into a terrible, obsessed villager and I want nothing to do with those who don't see it my way. I am obsessed with The Villages.

There were three negative threads yesterday started by three relatively new posters and the boil water one was when I lost it. I jumped on the poster and I was not patient or kind. I am very sorry that I wrote what I did.

I cannot change my obsession with this place nor do I want to, but I can remember that I was brought up better than I acted yesterday.

I was rude to a person for no good reason and I apologize to her for how I acted.

I will try to do better.


Have a wonderful day in The Villages.


I saw that Gracie. You are right. It was over-the-top. But I give you credit for your public acknowledgement and apology.

Earlier this week, you "chastised" me for quoting Warren Buffett. But I knew you were kidding......I hope. But I am pretty good at reading between the lines and I kidded you right back. Besides that, I am one who can confidently embrace that old line we hear from kindergartners, "You are not the boss of me."

I have seen a few trolls on here over the years. But more often I have seen new posters who must feel eviscerated after sincerely having posted something that might not be what others want to hear or acknowledge about TV. -- When I see this happen, I cringe.

But now, here you are, seeing it, too. That is good. Do not forget that you have a fine wit that is so much fun to see, and you can be quite helpful, too. That is the Gracie who adds so much to this forum.

But as far as that other behavior goes, and as much as I do not believe in written punishments, and never, ever assigned one, I must do so now.....

Please write the following sentence 5 times. Yes. Just 5 times. You do not need to write it 100 times. You are smart and can catch on fast when you want to.

Please write: I will try really, really hard to stop frisking posters at the door.

(And now, even I am debating whether to hit send or not. But I think I will. I must leave now to have my roots done. I hope when I look back, I will find a smile.......and maybe even a completed assignment.)

[twoplanekid]

From on zealot to another, sometimes we all need to rethink and calm down. Pasion is a good thing when directed correctly.

[Taltarzac725]

From on zealot to another, sometimes we all need to rethink and calm down. Passion is a good thing when directed correctly.

I can get very passionate on here but hope that I do consider the feelings of whomever I am directing my posts at.

[kcrazorbackfan]

GG, you're a very solid, respected poster here on TOTV. You know, we all say things once in awhile that we regret saying. I seem lately to do it more often than not. I am very passionate about people in Law Enforcement and have been extremely vocal toward people that didn't share my views through rose colored glasses toward LEO's and I apologize for that. I have lost friends on TOTV and on Facebook (I feel because of my views) that befriended me. I banned myself from TOTV the last couple of weeks to refresh myself and come back with new attitude that this is the greatest place in the world and to not to be so passionate about my views. Life now is too short to sweat the small stuff anymore. So, to those of you that I have offended in the past, again, I'm sorry.

[Jima64]

I enjoy reading your daily postings. It is great that so many people like you support and protect the villages lifestyle. I read as many postings every day and do not agree with everyone. I also look at the number of post people make and too often the first time posters are very negative. I just wish they would post more often and become more involved. GG you are one of a kind, and I mean that in a good way.

[Allegiance]

Very Gracious! :)

[ScorpioSquared]

I always enjoy your postings GG...it takes a big person to admit their errors doing so just proves to all of us who admire you that you are truly who we believe you to be. We all have our moments.... :wave:

[Abby10]

I agree with what has already been said about you, Gracie, so no need to be repetitious. I saw the thread yesterday to which you refer and actually was more shocked by what I thought was an exaggerated response by the OP than anything that you said. But either way, we all make mistakes and coming forward with an apology is admirable.

Don't let it get you down - your wit and wisdom are a joy to many of us on this forum.

[tomwed]

I'm online quite a bit. Which is very hypocritical considering just a couple of years ago I had a low opinion of people who were on facebook, twitter or texted all day long. For crying out loud, go outside and play.

I think we all take ourselves too seriously. The ubiquity of social media makes it all too easy to broadcast. I need to work on biting my lip too.

je suis Gracie

[gerryann]

Gracie, you've always been the voice of reason on TOTV. Yes, you defend TV....but nothing wrong with that. As far as the boil water thread, I didn't see it, so can't comment on that.

However....one thing that has really bothered me for probably the last 6/8 months....TOTV is changing drastically. (So is the Villages Facebook page). I believe this change is due to all of the new folks that have moved here. TV has gotten way too big!!! It's not a "big city" atmosphere yet....but heading that way. Folks are retiring way earlier than years ago and moving here at a much younger age. The generation gap is very relevant and growing larger.

A friend of mine from Wisconsin came here recently for the lifestyle visit. She and her husband are in their mid 60's. They loved it here, but won't be moving here as they had planned. Here are a few reasons. The STD story. I know it's a bunch of hooey....but they had the actual report...and it was impossible for me to repute. She asked someone here for a good place to get her hair cut. The reply was ......" Go to .......,and ask her for the just F........d look" It's what all the ladies here wear. She went shopping while her husband sat on a bench outside.....four 50/60 yr old gals approached him and "while your waiting for your wife, my friend here gives a great ........job, and cheap".

Well, my friend went back to Wisconsin and now feels that TV is the sex capital of the world. That's what she's telling everyone. The only way I can legitimately defend it is telling anyone that asks that I've NEVER seen anything like this, but with 120,000 people, I'm sure things like this happen. I'm not a night person and I don't have a clue what goes on late into the night.

I guess all I'm saying Grace, is that things are changing fast and you will have a harder and harder time defending this huge community. I'm done with defending TV.

[Villager Joyce]

Gracie, you've always been the voice of reason on TOTV. Yes, you defend TV....but nothing wrong with that. As far as the boil water thread, I didn't see it, so can't comment on that.

However....one thing that has really bothered me for probably the last 6/8 months....TOTV is changing drastically. (So is the Villages Facebook page). I believe this change is due to all of the new folks that have moved here. TV has gotten way too big!!! It's not a "big city" atmosphere yet....but heading that way. Folks are retiring way earlier than years ago and moving here at a much younger age. The generation gap is very relevant and growing larger.

A friend of mine from Wisconsin came here recently for the lifestyle visit. She and her husband are in their mid 60's. They loved it here, but won't be moving here as they had planned. Here are a few reasons. The STD story. I know it's a bunch of hooey....but they had the actual report...and it was impossible for me to repute. She asked someone here for a good place to get her hair cut. The reply was ......" Go to .......,and ask her for the just F........d look" It's what all the ladies here wear. She went shopping while her husband sat on a bench outside.....four 50/60 yr old gals approached him and "while your waiting for your wife, my friend here gives a great ........job, and cheap".

Well, my friend went back to Wisconsin and now feels that TV is the sex capital of the world. That's what she's telling everyone. The only way I can legitimately defend it is telling anyone that asks that I've NEVER seen anything like this, but with 120,000 people, I'm sure things like this happen. I'm not a night person and I don't have a clue what goes on late into the night.

I guess all I'm saying Grace, is that things are changing fast and you will have a harder and harder time defending this huge community. I'm done with defending TV.

I am in shock. I don't know how to respond. I guess it is Time for a nice long nap!

[theorem painter]

Gracie-It took a lot of guts to apologize. You are a class act.

[njbchbum]

Graciegirl - You offer a gracious apology by a gracious lady. Hopefully the OP will be able to accept it with the same amount of grace and offer their apology for their part in the repartee.

[OCsun]

I saw that Gracie. You are right. It was over-the-top. But I give you credit for your public acknowledgement and apology.

Earlier this week, you "chastised" me for quoting Warren Buffett. But I knew you were kidding......I hope. But I am pretty good at reading between the lines and I kidded you right back. Besides that, I am one who can confidently embrace that old line we hear from kindergartners, "You are not the boss of me."

I have seen a few trolls on here over the years. But more often I have seen new posters who must feel eviscerated after sincerely having posted something that might not be what others want to hear or acknowledge about TV. -- When I see this happen, I cringe.

But now, here you are, seeing it, too. That is good. Do not forget that you have a fine wit that is so much fun to see, and you can be quite helpful, too. That is the Gracie who adds so much to this forum.

But as far as that other behavior goes, and as much as I do not believe in written punishments, and never, ever assigned one, I must do so now.....

Please write the following sentence 5 times. Yes. Just 5 times. You do not need to write it 100 times. You are smart and can catch on fast when you want to.

Please write: I will try really, really hard to stop frisking posters at the door.

(And now, even I am debating whether to hit send or not. But I think I will. I must leave now to have my roots done. I hope when I look back, I will find a smile.......and maybe even a completed assignment.)

Boomer,

I have never met either you or Gracie but, both of you have shown the right amount of wisdom and humor to deserve the respect of this forum. Gracie's courageous apology and your witty response were both spot on.

I love TOTV and benefit daily from it. Thanks to you both!

[goodtimesintv]

Is this a fan club, or what??

Her apology was transparent and sincere. There's no need to pander.

[Taltarzac725]

Is this a fan club, or what??

Her apology was transparent and sincere. There's no need to pander.

She does have a fan club and rightly so plus I just have to catch up on her number of posts.

[Kannon451]

Gracie, you've always been the voice of reason on TOTV. Yes, you defend TV....but nothing wrong with that. As far as the boil water thread, I didn't see it, so can't comment on that.

However....one thing that has really bothered me for probably the last 6/8 months....TOTV is changing drastically. (So is the Villages Facebook page). I believe this change is due to all of the new folks that have moved here. TV has gotten way too big!!! It's not a "big city" atmosphere yet....but heading that way. Folks are retiring way earlier than years ago and moving here at a much younger age. The generation gap is very relevant and growing larger.

A friend of mine from Wisconsin came here recently for the lifestyle visit. She and her husband are in their mid 60's. They loved it here, but won't be moving here as they had planned. Here are a few reasons. The STD story. I know it's a bunch of hooey....but they had the actual report...and it was impossible for me to repute. She asked someone here for a good place to get her hair cut. The reply was ......" Go to .......,and ask her for the just F........d look" It's what all the ladies here wear. She went shopping while her husband sat on a bench outside.....four 50/60 yr old gals approached him and "while your waiting for your wife, my friend here gives a great ........job, and cheap".

Well, my friend went back to Wisconsin and now feels that TV is the sex capital of the world. That's what she's telling everyone. The only way I can legitimately defend it is telling anyone that asks that I've NEVER seen anything like this, but with 120,000 people, I'm sure things like this happen. I'm not a night person and I don't have a clue what goes on late into the night.

I guess all I'm saying Grace, is that things are changing fast and you will have a harder and harder time defending this huge community. I'm done with defending TV.

This is an amazing place to live. I'm very surprised that folks who have reached an age to live here are so shocked, appalled, etc. when someone says something outside of their comfort zone and beliefs. Each one of us is unique. I find both comments funny. The first one about the hair cut is "right on" given the unending posts here asking where to find a good haircut/hairdresser. To expect every stranger you meet to be happy and pleasant is unrealistic. To let what those people say change how you feel about living here is foolish.

[AnnieMc]

The original post made me go visit the site and sign up to receive notices......the rest just made me tired.
But kudos to you for being apologetic. Taking the higher road is never easy, but usually the right direction.

[Polar Bear]

Gracie, you've always been the voice of reason on TOTV. Yes, you defend TV....but nothing wrong with that. As far as the boil water thread, I didn't see it, so can't comment on that.

However....one thing that has really bothered me for probably the last 6/8 months....TOTV is changing drastically. (So is the Villages Facebook page). I believe this change is due to all of the new folks that have moved here. TV has gotten way too big!!! It's not a "big city" atmosphere yet....but heading that way. Folks are retiring way earlier than years ago and moving here at a much younger age. The generation gap is very relevant and growing larger.

A friend of mine from Wisconsin came here recently for the lifestyle visit. She and her husband are in their mid 60's. They loved it here, but won't be moving here as they had planned. Here are a few reasons. The STD story. I know it's a bunch of hooey....but they had the actual report...and it was impossible for me to repute. She asked someone here for a good place to get her hair cut. The reply was ......" Go to .......,and ask her for the just F........d look" It's what all the ladies here wear. She went shopping while her husband sat on a bench outside.....four 50/60 yr old gals approached him and "while your waiting for your wife, my friend here gives a great ........job, and cheap".

Well, my friend went back to Wisconsin and now feels that TV is the sex capital of the world. That's what she's telling everyone. The only way I can legitimately defend it is telling anyone that asks that I've NEVER seen anything like this, but with 120,000 people, I'm sure things like this happen. I'm not a night person and I don't have a clue what goes on late into the night.

I guess all I'm saying Grace, is that things are changing fast and you will have a harder and harder time defending this huge community. I'm done with defending TV.
Hmmm. I seriously doubt many move here believing TV is perfect...that all those nasty things that occur in all those other places in the world simply never occur here. Come on.

Do places change as they grow? Sure. Does that mean they're doomed and indefensible? I don't think so.

[tedquick]

GG,

Some seemingly disparate thoughts, yet I think related: As others have already mentioned on this post, your apology, whether really needed or not (I did not read the “boiled” post) was a classy thing to have done.

My first apartment in college had a concrete floor, an old clothes-wash basin for a sink and a toilet and shower sitting out in the middle of a room with the center piece being one of the old octopus stoves. It was far from glamorous but it was part of my first step into adulthood and my future. I loved it. TV is a few steps above that beginning point.

Now, is TV perfect? Nope, in fact nothing is perfect except for heaven itself, but since I am still on this side of there, TV is good enough for me. If 1/10 of 1% are unhappy that’s 120 people who live here who are not pleased with what is offered and lived out every day in this remarkable town. Certainly each of us could eventually encounter one of those. Whenever I run into an unhappy person, I simply wish them a happy rest of the day and I move on. They will not dampen my “TV spirit”.

There have been a number of posts in this string from some of the most respected posters on TOTV and I agree with what each has said about your reputation and contribution to this site. I would like to think that the original “boiled” poster would read your string and respond. That would tell us all a lot about that person’s character and maturity.

GG, keep up the good work. See you in another post.

ted

[David Moon]

I fail to see how passion clouds the way to extending the benefit of the doubt and common courtesy towards others. It's fairly easy not to comment on a post as it is to add your two cents, if you don't agree. Especially when it's a small issue like the frequency of email alerts.

[justjim]

One of my favorite quotes: You show me a person who never makes a mistake and I will show you a person who never really does anything". Anonymous

Gracie you truly show grace when it comes to posting on TOTV. Sincerely Jim

[golfing eagles]

GG, I was following the water boil post as it was happening, and just re-read it. The original question was fine, the premise appeared doubtful.
To reiterate, your response was:

"I am on the list to receive these notices and to say they are frequent or daily is a gross exaggeration.

I believe that this is another exaggerating negative post. I challenge you to send us the daily links you have received this week, OP.

They only send them as a "boil water notice" when a line has been broken and they give the vicinity and street of the break. "

Were you vigorously defending TV---of course, you always do
Was it rude---I don't think so
Is it appropriate to request proof when a statement seems unlikely to be true?--yes, just wait for the presidential debates!
Were the two subsequent request for proof aggressive?--maybe a little, but the OP wasn't responding to the question (maybe she's a politician)
Does your apology show grace, charm, and maturity?---ABSOLUTELY!!

Now, let's look at the immediate response to your post from the OP:

"I receive these notices DAILY- I cannot speak on the emails you receive GRACIEGIRL I can only state on the emails I am receiving. Honestly I do not appreciate your comment indirectly calling me a liar - BEWARE The internet bully is in full force tonight!!!!!! It's SAD that someone can't come onto this site and ask a question without receiving a negative comment from GRACIEGIRL!!! So sick of the nonsense!!! And I am sure the Graciegirl Posy will attack me now too!! "


All I can say here is Res ipsa loquitur
(and that unless you have your own species of flower named after you, the OP probably meant posse)
It looks to me that whole tone of the OP's statement appears that she was already "loaded for bear" or extremely over-defensive

So now that you have apologized for your small role, I challenge the OP to man (?woman) up and do the same. And GG---keep those posts coming.

[David Moon]

Same MO...you mean unabashedly displaying her love for TV in an open-minded, civil and friendly manner? I agree.

When I realize I start getting cranky online for little reason, I usually give it a break for awhile.

[surgees]

Graciegirl - You offer a gracious apology by a gracious lady. Hopefully the OP will be able to accept it with the same amount of grace and offer their apology for their part in the repartee.

:agree:

I agree completely!!!

Being a newbie here myself (still a junior member) I value the dialogue and discourse that plays out every day on TOTV... and Graciegirl is a HUGE contributor. She is a class act through and through and a fantastic ambassador for our very wonderful and unique community!

I am too new to be a member of anyone's "posse" (and I certainly would not want to attack the OP), but when I grow up I'll be looking for the GG Posse Application!

[Happydaz]

People should be allowed to express their opinion without getting attacked. I think Gracie's apology should be accepted. I thought she was being a little hard on the OP. At the same time I can understand her reflex action to go after any post that appears to be negative about The Villages. Lately, I have carefully reviewed any posts I was making to make sure my message was positive and helpful before I hit SEND. If one is not careful, one can become obsessed with TOTV and you can end up spending too much time on line. I try to post less and spend more time outside enjoying what the Villages has to offer. We have a great place to live here and it is understandable that many of us get defensive when we feel our life choice is being criticized, but we live in a free country and others are entitled to their opinion. I must admit I have to remind myself to remember that quite often!

[asianthree]

I think all of us have reacted to a post, and then rethought our response, and then went back and //// the post. It does bother me they when we see a new poster someone brings up troll. I have found myself using PMs more to posters to respond to a questions, especially if troll is thrown out there. I always try to be kind to those low number poster, remembering we all started with 1.

Yes GG you are the lead cheerleader of this wonderful place, but can't make everyone love this as most of us do. It was very kind to apologize, we have all had a bad post moment.

[Skip2MySue]

No problem from this big guy on your response. It has a lot to do with how you read it. You can read it aggressively or you can read it slowly knowing that our ambassador is at work and we love her for it. This snafu has created some great writing of which I've enjoyed many of all the different poster's thoughts. You keep em coming GracieGirl:beer3:
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[golfing eagles]

People should be allowed to express their opinion without getting attacked. I think Gracie's apology should be accepted. I thought she was being a little hard on the OP. At the same time I can understand her reflex action to go after any post that appears to be negative about The Villages. Lately, I have carefully reviewed any posts I was making to make sure my message was positive and helpful before I hit SEND. If one is not careful, one can become obsessed with TOTV and you can end up spending too much time on line. I try to post less and spend more time outside enjoying what the Villages has to offer. We have a great place to live here and it is understandable that many of us get defensive when we feel our life choice is being criticized, but we live in a free country and others are entitled to their opinion. I must admit I have to remind myself to remember that quite often!

Agreed. But in this case there really wasn't anything negative or a life choice criticism to attack. The OP threw out that he received a large # of water notices. GG challenged it since it seemed unlikely to her and asked for proof. If I were to throw out the population of TV is now 210,000 I would hoper GG or someone else would ask me if I was exaggerating or to prove it.
At that point I could:
a) state yes, I was exaggerating
b) provide the reference that I got the number from
c) more likely, say I transposed the 2 and the 1

I should NOT immediately launch into a personal attack. I just thought the content, tone, and timing of the reply suggested a preconceived notion re GG, certainly one based on more experience than 13 posts. I still think an apology from the OP should be forthcoming, then everyone can shake hands and move on.

[Skip2MySue]

Agreed. But in this case there really wasn't anything negative or a life choice criticism to attack. The OP threw out that he received a large # of water notices. GG challenged it since it seemed unlikely to her and asked for proof. If I were to throw out the population of TV is now 210,000 I would hoper GG or someone else would ask me if I was exaggerating or to prove it.
At that point I could:
a) state yes, I was exaggerating
b) provide the reference that I got the number from
c) more likely, say I transposed the 2 and the 1

I should NOT immediately launch into a personal attack. I just thought the content, tone, and timing of the reply suggested a preconceived notion re GG, certainly one based on more experience than 13 posts. I still think an apology from the OP should be forthcoming, then everyone can shake hands and move on.

Damn it TOV.....where's that "LIKE" button :a20:
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[golfing eagles]

Damn it TOV.....where's that "LIKE" button :a20:
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I think it's on that other web site