Loud exhaust explanation...

[fred53]

or why there are those here in the villages with loud exhausts.....

https://youtu.be/Q_mp76ouFUg

[outlaw]

It's the sound of freedom!

[Topspinmo]

loud like Harley's that the baffles were removed from the mufflers which are actually straight pipes. makes feel like bs hells angels. Only way they get away with it the nerd politicians think they are cool and won't enforce noise laws. Kinda like the illegal issues

[The Buckeyes]

Not only Harleys' but muscle cars also express freedom. Can't wait to bring my 5th gen Camaro down and open up those electronic cutouts!

[Jima64]

Maybe it also draws attention that they may seek. I look and just smile knowing they are having fun.

[Will VDS]

I think it has to do with, Hey look at me I'm special, I'll turn up the volume so you know someone special is coming your way.

[villagetinker]

There is just something about a mid 60's muscle car (in my case a fastback mustang) with a nice new engine, headers, dual 2.5 inch stainless steel exhaust, and minimal restriction mufflers.
Just my humble opinion.

[MikeV]

My Harley is loud and I love it.

[outlaw]

I once asked a local leo about ticketing loud motorcycles, and he said they don't bother unless the rider is intentionally revving the engine to make a lot of noise.

[outlaw]

I'm more annoyed by the nearly constant, daily sound of the lawn maintenance crews. The absolute loudest mowers, string trimmers, and blowers. I have actually timed my neighbor's crew and they regularly rev gas machines FOUR hours at a time. He has lots of bushes that need trimming and a biiiig lot.

[KeepingItReal]

I think it has to do with, Hey look at me I'm special, I'll turn up the volume so you know someone special is coming your way.

You nailed it exactly, look at me, look at me, how much noise I can make....doesn't matter about you.. :jester:

[rockaway]

Many people enjoy the sound of


In my opinion there is nothing sweeter than the sound of an American V8 with
dual exhausts and glass pack mufflers. I'm not showing off ( could care less if people
enjoy the sound or not) I will be gone in a few seconds.
My 1991 Mustang GT 5.0 V8 with its Flowmaster Duals is music to my ears and from
the many car clubs in TV I'm not alone in my feelings.

[Topspinmo]

Many people enjoy the sound of


In my opinion there is nothing sweeter than the sound of an American V8 with
dual exhausts and glass pack mufflers. I'm not showing off ( could care less if people
enjoy the sound or not) I will be gone in a few seconds.
My 1991 Mustang GT 5.0 V8 with its Flowmaster Duals is music to my ears and from
the many car clubs in TV I'm not alone in my feelings.

Big difference between glasspaxks and free flow mufflers than straight pipes or mufflers with baffles removed.

[Topspinmo]

I'm more annoyed by the nearly constant, daily sound of the lawn maintenance crews. The absolute loudest mowers, string trimmers, and blowers. I have actually timed my neighbor's crew and they regularly rev gas machines FOUR hours at a time. He has lots of bushes that need trimming and a biiiig lot.


Muffler baffles have long ago burnt out. Some even remove th baffles and sprark assortors in two strokes, they run better with free flowing exhaust.

[Miles42]

I don't mind the sound it reminds me of a different era. Younger days with many good memories. I am glad that even though I am much older I haven't turned into some old grouch that is bothered by anything and everything that is not part of their lifestyle.

[xcaligirl]

Harley's are annoying to me but I do know that loud pipes save lives ~ and that's more important than 2 seconds of the 'annoying sound'! Ride on and stay safe!

[Fredster]

I don't mind the sound it reminds me of a different era. Younger days with many good memories. I am glad that even though I am much older I haven't turned into some old grouch that is bothered by anything and everything that is not part of their lifestyle.

Well said, I totally agree :bigbow:

[Xcuse]

I don't mind the sound it reminds me of a different era. Younger days with many good memories. I am glad that even though I am much older I haven't turned into some old grouch that is bothered by anything and everything that is not part of their lifestyle.

How about the newer generations bass boomers that take up the trunk of their car and the sound they share with the whole neighborhood?

[Topspinmo]

Harley's are annoying to me but I do know that loud pipes save lives ~ and that's more important than 2 seconds of the 'annoying sound'! Ride on and stay safe!

That's an excuse, jap or European bikes aren't loud until you open them up. I don't mind deep toned baffled straight through sound, but straight pipes are ridiculous. You can tell the ones that got straight pipes when they let off the back pressure louder than the acceleration. Baffles muffle the back pressure.

I had several 50s, 60s and early 70s cars. Flat head ford with glasspacks (or steelpacks before 1965) was about the sweetest sound I heard, my stock 69 GTX with 440/375 idle was sweet with factory mufflers, nice loop with high lift cam and factory idle speed.

use to do with new glass packs pour diesel in them no burn them out, but they still had baffling.

[Callaway Guy]

I don't mind the sound it reminds me of a different era. Younger days with many good memories. I am glad that even though I am much older I haven't turned into some old grouch that is bothered by anything and everything that is not part of their lifestyle.

Exactly my feelings. Ah, my youthful days with my '66 Chevelle SS396. That was one badass car; best quarter-mile time was 10.75. I wish I still had it.

[BobnBev]

That's an excuse, jap or European bikes aren't loud until you open them up. I don't mind deep toned baffled straight through sound, but straight pipes are ridiculous. You can tell the ones that got straight pipes when they let off the back pressure louder than the acceleration. Baffles muffle the back pressure.

I had several 50s, 60s and early 70s cars. Flat head ford with glasspacks (or steelpacks before 1965) was about the sweetest sound I heard, my stock 69 GTX with 440/375 idle was sweet with factory mufflers, nice loop with high lift cam and factory idle speed.

use to do with new glass packs pour diesel in them no burn them out, but they still had baffling.

My dream car-----a '50 Ford custom conv flathead V-8 with steelpaks. Doesn't get any better than that....sigh.....someday.:wave:

[BlkBagger]

No doubt you've never had the experience of nearly being run over by a villages who can't see the motorcycle, can't hear the motorcycle, or just doesn't care about the motorcyclists well being. Weather you agree or not, loud pipes save lives!

[rockaway]

That's an excuse, jap or European bikes aren't loud until you open them up. I don't mind deep toned baffled straight through sound, but straight pipes are ridiculous. You can tell the ones that got straight pipes when they let off the back pressure louder than the acceleration. Baffles muffle the back pressure.

I had several 50s, 60s and early 70s cars. Flat head ford with glasspacks (or steelpacks before 1965) was about the sweetest sound I heard, my stock 69 GTX with 440/375 idle was sweet with factory mufflers, nice loop with high lift cam and factory idle speed.

use to do with new glass packs pour diesel in them no burn them out, but they still had baffling.

I have to agree nothing before or since has ever sounded better the early 50's
Ford or Merc flatheads with glass packs or steelies

[capecoralbill]

All that illegal noise whether stereo or engine, is inconsiderate and rude. It scares my dog.

[JoMar]

Exactly my feelings. Ah, my youthful days with my '66 Chevelle SS396. That was one badass car; best quarter-mile time was 10.75. I wish I still had it.

Me too :)

[JoMar]

All that illegal noise whether stereo or engine, is inconsiderate and rude. It scares my dog.

Now that's funny

[Fredster]

All that illegal noise whether stereo or engine, is inconsiderate and rude. It scares my dog.

I hope your dog isn't an annoying barker! :rolleyes:

[xkeowner]

If you think my Mustang is too loud turn down your hearing aid!

Also, jet noise, the sound of freedom. I still love the sound of a fast moving fighter jet flying low.

[Chi-Town]

Exactly my feelings. Ah, my youthful days with my '66 Chevelle SS396. That was one badass car; best quarter-mile time was 10.75. I wish I still had it.
Man, a 10 second quarter mile from an SS396. That's drag strip only time. Fastest street car in the day was the '70 Hemi Cuda in the low 13's. It's amazing how the muscle cars now are faster than the ones we grew up with. I thought 1972 was the end.

[Topspinmo]

Man, a 10 second quarter mile from an SS396. That's drag strip only time. Fastest street car in the day was the '70 Hemi Cuda in the low 13's. It's amazing how the muscle cars now are faster than the ones we grew up with. I thought 1972 was the end.

Actually 1971 was the end of the muscle cars. Only the 360 hp solid lift 396s in 66 had the grunt, obviously it was't stock.

[Topspinmo]

No doubt you've never had the experience of nearly being run over by a villages who can't see the motorcycle, can't hear the motorcycle, or just doesn't care about the motorcyclists well being. Weather you agree or not, loud pipes save lives!


I've had motorcycles and it don't matter, people just don't look or care what's coming unless it got bulldog on top of the radiator and MAC on the grill. When I ride I automatically assume Cars will pull out In front of me and ready to clamp the brakes.

[outlaw]

Motorcyclists seem to get the most resentment from people. Could be a little bit of envy from the people who want to ride but are afraid to ride because of the inherent danger. Maybe they had an unpleasant encounter one time with a biker. Maybe it's just because the biker isn't living their life the way the complainers think they should. Why would a loud exhaust on a car be any less annoying to someone? Manufacturers are now selling new cars with electric operated valves that open the exhaust before the mufflers. Mercedes is doing this with some of their performance models, I believe. Maserati has an exhaust system that completely changes volume and tone during acceleration. It sounds pretty good. But motorcycles get the brunt of the hate for exhausts.

[Miles42]

There are those that would complain if you hand them a bag full of 20 dollar bills. Just a way of life for some folks. You need to ignore those people you will never satisfy them. Just remember life is short, Live it.

[MikeV]

Motorcyclists seem to get the most resentment from people. Could be a little bit of envy from the people who want to ride but are afraid to ride because of the inherent danger. Maybe they had an unpleasant encounter one time with a biker. Maybe it's just because the biker isn't living their life the way the complainers think they should. Why would a loud exhaust on a car be any less annoying to someone? Manufacturers are now selling new cars with electric operated valves that open the exhaust before the mufflers. Mercedes is doing this with some of their performance models, I believe. Maserati has an exhaust system that completely changes volume and tone during acceleration. It sounds pretty good. But motorcycles get the brunt of the hate for exhausts.


I've been riding 49 years and I was a MSF Rider Coach. I totally agree with you.

[Chi-Town]

My dream car-----a '50 Ford custom conv flathead V-8 with steelpaks. Doesn't get any better than that....sigh.....someday.:wave:
This should be a fun watch:

https://youtu.be/f_aRCS-AVG0

[fred53]

Motorcyclists seem to get the most resentment from people. Could be a little bit of envy from the people who want to ride but are afraid to ride because of the inherent danger. Maybe they had an unpleasant encounter one time with a biker. Maybe it's just because the biker isn't living their life the way the complainers think they should. Why would a loud exhaust on a car be any less annoying to someone? Manufacturers are now selling new cars with electric operated valves that open the exhaust before the mufflers. Mercedes is doing this with some of their performance models, I believe. Maserati has an exhaust system that completely changes volume and tone during acceleration. It sounds pretty good. But motorcycles get the brunt of the hate for exhausts.

I've had nothing but pleasant experiences with most bikers...there are those who think as you do though...they think they're special in some weird way because they ride a motorcycle... how immature can a person possibly be? The complaint is that some bikers with loud bikes think they're a cut above everyone else, when in fact their just immature Aholes who think it's okay to subject anyone and everyone to their idea of how life should be...that would be loud and obnoxious...since you obviously don't understand physics it begs the question of how intelligent bikers who think their loud exhaust saves lives...why not just opt for a really loud horn...oh yeah...then they wouldn't be able to show how little they think of people around them and the fact that their noise shows little or no concern for others.

Bottom line....loud exhausts not only do not save lives the Aholes that use them are just a bit below average on the intelligence scale when it comes to common sense and treating others with the same respect they themselves seem to demand...

Buy a loud horn...oh sorry that wouldn't be manly and show the outlaw morality would it?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Very funny video Fred. Where do you live? We can arrange a parade one night if you like.
Don't worry no drugs. LOL

[Chi-Town]

OK, moving over to car exhaust pipes:

https://youtu.be/X5D1ToZ6igs

[Callaway Guy]

Man, a 10 second quarter mile from an SS396. That's drag strip only time. Fastest street car in the day was the '70 Hemi Cuda in the low 13's. It's amazing how the muscle cars now are faster than the ones we grew up with. I thought 1972 was the end.

It wasn't stock, to say the least. I pretty much had all excess weight stripped out of it but, it was still street legal - barely. Pretty much every Sunday I had it out at the local drag strip running anything I could.

[Chi-Town]

It wasn't stock, to say the least. I pretty much had all excess weight stripped out of it but, it was still street legal - barely. Pretty much every Sunday I had it out at the local drag strip running anything I could.


That must have been so sweet. Nickey Chevrolet in Chicago used to sell modified cars like yours. They called them radio/heater deletes. Of course, it was much more than that. The heavy disc brakes were replaced with drums, and window track mechanisms were removed. Headers, a Mallory ignition, Muncie 4 speed, and a heavy duty clutch were part of the package. They specialized in Chevelles and Camaros. Crazy times.



It wasn't stock, to say the least. I pretty much had all excess weight stripped out of it but, it was still street legal - barely. Pretty much every Sunday I had it out at the local drag strip running anything I could.

[fred53]

Seems a shame to let it fall to far...so I'll bump it back up...while it's highly unlikely that the so-called dudes who name themselves "cowboys" or "outlaws" because they ride a harley with very loud exhausts will ever understand or care of the harm they do there's always hope that they'll grow up and out of their selfish need to crave attention by doing so...they liken themselves as rogues and special...they like to think those who don't like their noise are just jealous and want to be just like them, but are afraid...unfortunately those delusions will likely continue until adults force them to change....I'll likely be dead by then from old age, but one can hope...

[The Buckeyes]

Exactly my feelings. Ah, my youthful days with my '66 Chevelle SS396. That was one badass car; best quarter-mile time was 10.75. I wish I still had it.

That was not a stock 396! Hey they are still out there and available...buy one before the gov't takes your money!
:beer3:

[The Buckeyes]

There is just something about a mid 60's muscle car (in my case a fastback mustang) with a nice new engine, headers, dual 2.5 inch stainless steel exhaust, and minimal restriction mufflers.
Just my humble opinion.

It is a great opinion my neighbor and friend! Just had a Stainless Works 3" put on the '68 Yenko Camaro replica. Also had electronic cutouts welded into them about 18" past the header collectors. Will talk to you about it when we get down.
:beer3:

[outlaw]

Seems a shame to let it fall to far...so I'll bump it back up...while it's highly unlikely that the so-called dudes who name themselves "cowboys" or "outlaws" because they ride a harley with very loud exhausts will ever understand or care of the harm they do there's always hope that they'll grow up and out of their selfish need to crave attention by doing so...they liken themselves as rogues and special...they like to think those who don't like their noise are just jealous and want to be just like them, but are afraid...unfortunately those delusions will likely continue until adults force them to change....I'll likely be dead by then from old age, but one can hope...

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have one of the quietest aftermarket exhausts one can buy; Supertrapp 2 into 1. Good performance. I am a kinder, gentler Harley driver. ATGATT

[VillagesFlorida]

My son changed his Harley so that it is loud...no idea what that process is. When I asked him why he told me that it was for his safety. It is bad enough that car and truck drivers don't always "see" bikers. He has been close to getting hit several times and none were his fault. For many bikers being loud is just another way they have of staying alive. Do I like those loud bikes? No! But I would much rather my son stay safe on highways that are riddled with seniors who have poor eyesight and severe loss of hearing.

[MDLNB]

The pipes on my Harley are very loud, and I try to coast most of the way out of my village. Although, it seems they are still not load enough to keep negligent drivers from turning into me and cutting me off on the road. I even have the pipes baloney cut facing out to the right so that if I am in a person's blind spot, the noise will bounce off their quarter panel, hopefully waking them up. I love the rumble of my Harley, but do not enjoy the loud noise. I do it as survival, not to be a nuisance. I hardly ride now because of the many times that negligent Villagers have mindlessly come close to ending my enjoyment once and for all. I did own four motorcycles until I moved down here. I sold all but one, that my wife refuses to give me permission to part with. She knows how much it has meant to me over the years.

I am tempted to remove the roof of my golf cart so that I can get some semblance of the biker feeling I used to enjoy. The open air experience of riding an open vehicle is too hard to explain. Wonder if I can get a little Harley sound effects horn for my golf cart.

[Quickc]

I was hit and lost my leg because an unattentive driver (read texting, talking on phone, had son=me drinks and is daughter of some local hero. They is no mistaking my pipes now!!!They know I'm there!!!

[outlaw]

There are those who claim the loud pipes for safety is a myth. They will not help you in the most frequent two vehicle encounter, which is the left turn in front of an oncoming bike. For that situation, you are much better off having the headlight modulator, which is legal in Florida. A biker should never ride in a driver's blind spot except when passing. Slow down or speed up. But don't spend even a few seconds in a driver's blind spot. Sooner or later, the enforcement is going to increase regarding loud pipes. It is happening in other states and municipal areas around the country. An interesting aside; the practices of filtering and lane splitting have been argued to have certain safety aspects, and are legal in some states, California being one. But many cagers get totally po'd thinking the biker is cutting in line, and will take serious illegal actions to try to prevent this from occurring.

[outlaw]

Exactly my feelings. Ah, my youthful days with my '66 Chevelle SS396. That was one badass car; best quarter-mile time was 10.75. I wish I still had it.

Now that is quick. Was that a street legal car? If so, holy cow. I bet you miss it.

[outlaw]

I was hit and lost my leg because an unattentive driver (read texting, talking on phone, had son=me drinks and is daughter of some local hero. They is no mistaking my pipes now!!!They know I'm there!!!

Three wheeler? just curious.

[pgc4340]

I'm more annoyed by the nearly constant, daily sound of the lawn maintenance crews. The absolute loudest mowers, string trimmers, and blowers. I have actually timed my neighbor's crew and they regularly rev gas machines FOUR hours at a time. He has lots of bushes that need trimming and a biiiig lot.

I have never timed my neighbors crew, but theirs has to be the loudest mower around, and they always show up about 7:30 a.m. We like to sleep late, but on Monday it is impossible. Our crew does 4 houses in a row, with two mowers, and multiples trimmers and blowers at the same time, but they are never close to being as loud as the one neighbor. They have just sold the house, so hopefully the new people will get a different lawn service.

[outlaw]

I have never timed my neighbors crew, but theirs has to be the loudest mower around, and they always show up about 7:30 a.m. We like to sleep late, but on Monday it is impossible. Our crew does 4 houses in a row, with two mowers, and multiples trimmers and blowers at the same time, but they are never close to being as loud as the one neighbor. They have just sold the house, so hopefully the new people will get a different lawn service.

When we vacationed down here for a couple of months, we rented a house on a golf course. Almost every morning, about 7:30, we had mowers or some type of utility vehicles going by our lanai. It really narrowed our search for golf course frontage. We ended up not getting a place on the golf course in the end, the major reason being the mowers.

[MDLNB]

I have never timed my neighbors crew, but theirs has to be the loudest mower around, and they always show up about 7:30 a.m. We like to sleep late, but on Monday it is impossible. Our crew does 4 houses in a row, with two mowers, and multiples trimmers and blowers at the same time, but they are never close to being as loud as the one neighbor. They have just sold the house, so hopefully the new people will get a different lawn service.

7:30 ?? I'm usually eating lunch about that time...:mmmm::D

[daca55]

My Corvette isn't that loud buy a little throaty which I love!!

[outlaw]

7:30 ?? I'm usually eating lunch about that time...:mmmm::D

I'm usually getting in from one of the town squares.

[Barefoot]

That must have been so sweet. Nickey Chevrolet in Chicago used to sell modified cars like yours. They called them radio/heater deletes. Of course, it was much more than that. The heavy disc brakes were replaced with drums, and window track mechanisms were removed. Headers, a Mallory ignition, Muncie 4 speed, and a heavy duty clutch were part of the package. They specialized in Chevelles and Camaros. Crazy times.

I have to agree nothing before or since has ever sounded better the early 50's
Ford or Merc flatheads with glass packs or steelies

From a female perspective, this thread is a hoot. Most boys just want to make noise and have fun. Bless their hearts. :ho:
They are born that way, and obviously it doesn't go away with age.

[MDLNB]

From a female perspective, this thread is a hoot. Most boys just want to make noise and have fun. Bless their hearts. :ho:
They are born that way, and obviously it doesn't go away with age.

:thumbup:

[patbbb]

.....

[patbbb]

or why there are those here in the villages with loud exhausts.....

https://youtu.be/Q_mp76ouFUg

Egotists who haven't grown up!:(

[biker1]

Throaty is good. Understated is always a good place to be. A little wail, Porsche or Ferrari style, is good also. Loud for the sake of loud, is well, just loud.

My Corvette isn't that loud buy a little throaty which I love!!

[patbbb]

Throaty is good. Understated is always a good good place to be. A little wail, Porsche or Ferrari style, is good also. Loud for the sake of loud, is well, just loud.

LOUD is also very inconsiderate of your neighbors!:grumpy:

[CFrance]

Many people enjoy the sound of


In my opinion there is nothing sweeter than the sound of an American V8 with
dual exhausts and glass pack mufflers. I'm not showing off ( could care less if people
enjoy the sound or not) I will be gone in a few seconds.
My 1991 Mustang GT 5.0 V8 with its Flowmaster Duals is music to my ears and from
the many car clubs in TV I'm not alone in my feelings.
Therein lies the problem.

[kat714]

LOUD pipes save lives...it's amazing how invisible a motorcycle can be at an intersection.

[CFrance]

LOUD pipes save lives...it's amazing how invisible a motorcycle can be at an intersection.
Is there a study behind that, or is it an opinion?

[patbbb]

Therein lies the problem.

You hit the nail squarely on its head! Sadly, some people do not realize that the majority don't appreciate their NOISE. I wonder how these inconsiderates react to screaming children and excess imbibers in restaurants while they're trying to enjoy a peaceful meal.

[outlaw]

Lot's of cagers hatin' on our free spirit. You people can sit around and knit socks. We bikers are gonna RUMBLE. Deep down, you know you want to...

[patbbb]

I've had nothing but pleasant experiences with most bikers...there are those who think as you do though...they think they're special in some weird way because they ride a motorcycle... how immature can a person possibly be? The complaint is that some bikers with loud bikes think they're a cut above everyone else, when in fact their just immature Aholes who think it's okay to subject anyone and everyone to their idea of how life should be...that would be loud and obnoxious...since you obviously don't understand physics it begs the question of how intelligent bikers who think their loud exhaust saves lives...why not just opt for a really loud horn...oh yeah...then they wouldn't be able to show how little they think of people around them and the fact that their noise shows little or no concern for others.

Bottom line....loud exhausts not only do not save lives the Aholes that use them are just a bit below average on the intelligence scale when it comes to common sense and treating others with the same respect they themselves seem to demand...

Buy a loud horn...oh sorry that wouldn't be manly and show the outlaw morality would it?
Your response is right on the money. Sadly, we live with too many inconsiderate, immature, children in adult bodies.:BigApplause:

[outlaw]

Your response is right on the money. Sadly, we live with too many inconsiderate, immature, children in adult bodies.:BigApplause:

And then there are those who really never live at all. They just exist.

[Rango]

No doubt you've never had the experience of nearly being run over by a villages who can't see the motorcycle, can't hear the motorcycle, or just doesn't care about the motorcyclists well being. Weather you agree or not, loud pipes save lives!

If loud pipes save lives, why do so many people get hit by trains? :o)

[Golden Years]

When I was a young man my car was loud my motorcycle was load and my radio was loud. I loved the fact it disturbed and ****ed everyone in the neighborhood off. They could always hear me coming and knew it was me. Now I don't want all the noise. I grew up I guess. I have been riding for over 40 years and have been riding goldwings since I got older which don't make as much noise as some cars and if anything I have had fewer people not see me. Maybe it is the way I ride now or maybe the size of the bike that gets me noticed. I would hate to think people we gunning for me before because of my loud pipes. As someone already pointed out facts don't support the extreme loud pipes do anything but make the rider feel good. When I ride with people with loud pipes I put them in the back so I can enjoy a peaceful ride.

[KeepingItReal]

And then there are those who really never live at all. They just exist.


My son changed his Harley so that it is loud...no idea what that process is. When I asked him why he told me that it was for his safety. It is bad enough that car and truck drivers don't always "see" bikers. He has been close to getting hit several times and none were his fault. For many bikers being loud is just another way they have of staying alive. Do I like those loud bikes? No! But I would much rather my son stay safe on highways that are riddled with seniors who have poor eyesight and severe loss of hearing.


What a load of BS, try following behind him as much as half a mile back on an interstate and see if you enjoy the noise from his toy still coming at you....even at that distance.

Probably lucky ticked off people don't intentionally go after them more....

:jester:

[onslowe]

Therein lies the problem.

Exactly. Me�.me�.me�..me. There seems to be a very immature, anti-social and insecure misunderstanding of 'individualism' among some in TV.

[KeepingItReal]

Maybe it is the way I ride now or maybe the size of the bike that gets me noticed. I would hate to think people we gunning for me before because of my loud pipes.

As someone already pointed out facts don't support the extreme loud pipes do anything but make the rider feel good.

When I ride with people with loud pipes I put them in the back so I can enjoy a peaceful ride.


Right on.....:BigApplause:

Would be nice if everyone could enjoy a peaceful ride in their cars as well........

[outlaw]

What a load of BS, try following behind him as much as half a mile back on an interstate and see if you enjoy the noise from his toy still coming at you....even at that distance.

Probably lucky ticked off people don't intentionally go after them more....

:jester:

I raising the BS flag on this one. I seriously doubt you can hear anything a half mile in front of you while driving at interstate speed.

[RickeyD]

Not only Harleys' but muscle cars also express freedom. Can't wait to bring my 5th gen Camaro down and open up those electronic cutouts!


For me, it's the the sweet sound of my L79's mechanical lifters & chambered exhaust at idle.

[towgo]

so deaf old people can hear you

[MDLNB]

I don't pretend that I know what the scientific answer is to the "do loud pipes really save lives" is, but I can state truthfully that they have saved my butt several times overseas. Passing someone in the left lane and having someone start to ease over in your lane is kind of hairy. Several times, I simply revved my engine with the exhaust bouncing off their rear quarter panel and they quickly swerved back into their lane. I've had to do that several times, and it DID work. Believe it or not. Personally, my pipes are too loud for me but they do serve a function. If you don't like my pipes, then either learn to drive properly, paying attention to bikers or wait until we move out of your area of hearing. If you aren't sleeping, I fail to see what a little noise for a few seconds is going to do for your peace and tranquility. Hey, some of you offend me with your loud speaking when your hearing aid batteries go dead. But, I don't complain. I don't complain when some car drives past with a loud boom box roaring either. It's going to be gone in a few seconds. But, complaining is your prerogative. It's a free country, that I defended in Vietnam, Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom to protect for you. And on a side note, I have never purposely made noise to agitate or irritate anyone. I quietly coast through my neighborhood as much as I can so as not to disturb it's tranquility. I do care for my neighbors, and try to respect their privacy.

[CFrance]

so deaf old people can hear you
What?

[KeepingItReal]

I raising the BS flag on this one. I seriously doubt you can hear anything a half mile in front of you while driving at interstate speed.

Half a mile = 2640 feet. Sound or noise in this case travels 1,126 feet per second. Noise is traveling at 768 mph and your car is traveling at 70 MPH or 102 feet per second towards the source of the noise and you really think it cannot be heard?

Serious doubts really! They don't mean anything when you have experienced it first hand and know it to be a fact....it's especially bad on the interstates when there is a group of them usually weaving in and out of traffic lanes trying to stay close together .

Time to grow up...and realize what a nuisance and safety hazard it is to others.

[KeepingItReal]

I don't pretend that I know what the scientific answer is to the "do loud pipes really save lives" is, but I can state truthfully that they have saved my butt several times overseas. Passing someone in the left lane and having someone start to ease over in your lane is kind of hairy. Several times, I simply revved my engine with the exhaust bouncing off their rear quarter panel and they quickly swerved back into their lane. I've had to do that several times, and it DID work. Believe it or not. Personally, my pipes are too loud for me but they do serve a function. If you don't like my pipes, then either learn to drive properly, paying attention to bikers or wait until we move out of your area of hearing. If you aren't sleeping, I fail to see what a little noise for a few seconds is going to do for your peace and tranquility. Hey, some of you offend me with your loud speaking when your hearing aid batteries go dead. But, I don't complain. I don't complain when some car drives past with a loud boom box roaring either. It's going to be gone in a few seconds. But, complaining is your prerogative. It's a free country, that I defended in Vietnam, Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom to protect for you. And on a side note, I have never purposely made noise to agitate or irritate anyone. I quietly coast through my neighborhood as much as I can so as not to disturb it's tranquility. I do care for my neighbors, and try to respect their privacy.






Horns are to alert other drivers not loud continuous noise.

Most any straight out exhaust is much louder than a jackhammer at 95db.

Lots of us have fought in Vietnam and other wars. There is complaining or whining about something that is annoying to someone and then there is objecting when laws are being broken. Obviously any bike with straight out pipes is breaking the Florida law...

Florida Statutes, 316.293 (2)

Maximum Sound Level
Manufactured before 1/1/79--82 dBA (35 mph or less); 86dBA (over 35 mph). Manufactured after 1/1/79--78 dBA (35 mph or less); 82 dBA (over 35 mph). Florida Statutes, 316.293 (2)


86dba is the maximum noise allowed in Florida at any speed on any bike.

What does 86dba sound like?

Decibel (Loudness) Comparison Chart
Here are some interesting numbers, collected from a variety of sources, that help one to understand the volume levels of various sources and how they can affect our hearing.

Environmental Noise

Weakest sound heard 0dB
Whisper Quiet Library at 6' 30dB
Normal conversation at 3' 60-65dB
Telephone dial tone 80dB
City Traffic (inside car) 85dB
Train whistle at 500', Truck Traffic 90dB
Jackhammer at 50' 95dB
Subway train at 200' 95dB
Level at which sustained exposure may result in hearing loss 90 - 95dB
Hand Drill 98dB
Power mower at 3' 107dB
Snowmobile, Motorcycle 100dB
Power saw at 3' 110dB
Sandblasting, Loud Rock Concert 115dB
Pain begins 125dB
Pneumatic riveter at 4' 125dB
Even short term exposure can cause permanent damage - Loudest recommended exposure WITH hearing protection 140dB
Jet engine at 100' 140dB
12 Gauge Shotgun Blast 165dB
Death of hearing tissue 180dB
Loudest sound possible 194dB

[fred53]

I raising the BS flag on this one. I seriously doubt you can hear anything a half mile in front of you while driving at interstate speed.

the whole point is missed...

It isn't about safety and any maroon knows that. It's about ego. The L.E. contingent love the sound...they like being noticed....they could care less about what others think...have no consideration for others and zero respect for others...if they did then they'd either have a switch to turn it off when not needed, a much louder horn(hmmm, that wouldn't sound as manly) and wear all the safety gear(few of them wear the helmet, leathers, gloves, boots and goggles)....

and the reason you can't hear anything at interstate speed is because your exhaust is to LOUD! Imagine that...

[MDLNB]

Horns are to alert other drivers not loud continuous noise.

Most any straight out exhaust is much louder than a jackhammer at 95db.

Lots of us have fought in Vietnam and other wars. There is complaining or whining about something that is annoying to someone and then there is objecting when laws are being broken. Obviously any bike with straight out pipes is breaking the Florida law...

Florida Statutes, 316.293 (2)

Maximum Sound Level
Manufactured before 1/1/79--82 dBA (35 mph or less); 86dBA (over 35 mph). Manufactured after 1/1/79--78 dBA (35 mph or less); 82 dBA (over 35 mph). Florida Statutes, 316.293 (2)


86dba is the maximum noise allowed in Florida at any speed on any bike.

What does 86dba sound like?

Decibel (Loudness) Comparison Chart
Here are some interesting numbers, collected from a variety of sources, that help one to understand the volume levels of various sources and how they can affect our hearing.

Environmental Noise

Weakest sound heard 0dB
Whisper Quiet Library at 6' 30dB
Normal conversation at 3' 60-65dB
Telephone dial tone 80dB
City Traffic (inside car) 85dB
Train whistle at 500', Truck Traffic 90dB
Jackhammer at 50' 95dB
Subway train at 200' 95dB
Level at which sustained exposure may result in hearing loss 90 - 95dB
Hand Drill 98dB
Power mower at 3' 107dB
Snowmobile, Motorcycle 100dB
Power saw at 3' 110dB
Sandblasting, Loud Rock Concert 115dB
Pain begins 125dB
Pneumatic riveter at 4' 125dB
Even short term exposure can cause permanent damage - Loudest recommended exposure WITH hearing protection 140dB
Jet engine at 100' 140dB
12 Gauge Shotgun Blast 165dB
Death of hearing tissue 180dB
Loudest sound possible 194dB



I never said I had straight pipes. I don't. I have a bit of a baffle, but it is still loud. I thought that my comment was reasonable, but some folks are agitated and argue about anything that displeases them. I doubt seriously that a motorcycle passing you on the highway is going to disturb you more than three seconds, so I believe some folks just need something to complain about. Until you ride a motorbike down a highway with the air streaming and nothing to inhibit your view, you don't realize that it is NOT a "hey, look at me" type thing. It's a "wow, what a great feel of freedom" almost like flying. Anyone with a convertible probably gets some of the same feeling.
Someone said we should "grow up". Why? I think being told all your life to grow up, is sufficient. Supporting family, raising children, fighting wars is "growing up". If you haven't experienced the "freedom" of riding a bike, you have no right to comment on it. And I am not speaking specifically to you, but generalizing to those that say "loud pipes don't save lives" when I say you don't know what you are talking about. It may not help in front of you, but it has saved me several times when driving WITH traffic. If you can't take a little noise for a few seconds, then you probably can't take it when the landscaping folks are working in your neighborhood, or a plane flies over, or the train along Rt301 makes it's daily run through the area.
If you think we are all looking for attention, then I guess you are saying the same thing about convertibles, bright red cars, the folks in the squares dancing, etc.

Next time the Christian biker club or the POW biker club comes around doing their charity fund raising, let them know how much you dislike the noise they make with their bikes.

And if any of you want to get indignant about my sharp reply, do yourself a favor and don't get your blood pressure up over someone else having a little enjoyment in the later years of their lives. I think we earned it. Maybe if you cared as much about others as you like to say, then you wouldn't insult some of us with something you don't know anything about. If a few seconds of noise is going to ruin your day, then you are a very unhappy person to begin with.

At about 9am this morning I am going to be cutting some lumber for a project I am working on, in my driveway. I live in Belle Aire so I just want to warn you in case my loud noise might disturb you. Feel free to make a wide circuit around my area.

Have a great day, because I plan to. Now, on to my second cup of coffee.

[MDLNB]

What a load of BS, try following behind him as much as half a mile back on an interstate and see if you enjoy the noise from his toy still coming at you....even at that distance.

Probably lucky ticked off people don't intentionally go after them more....

:jester:

Must have a cheap car, because in mine, I hardly notice motorcycle noise until they are coming up near me. Doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I enjoy trying to guess at what make bike it is before I see it. Harley has a distinct sound.

[MDLNB]

the whole point is missed...

It isn't about safety and any maroon knows that. It's about ego. The L.E. contingent love the sound...they like being noticed....they could care less about what others think...have no consideration for others and zero respect for others...if they did then they'd either have a switch to turn it off when not needed, a much louder horn(hmmm, that wouldn't sound as manly) and wear all the safety gear(few of them wear the helmet, leathers, gloves, boots and goggles)....

and the reason you can't hear anything at interstate speed is because your exhaust is to LOUD! Imagine that...

I respect your "OPINION" but you hardly speak for all of us. As a matter of fact, I doubt you even know for a fact what others are thinking. You make a statement about "them" not wearing safety gear, and you are almost correct. Florida does not have a helmet law, so many do not wear a helmet. Their prerogative. It shouldn't matter to you, because it will not inhibit your safety, just as someone else not wearing a seat belt will not inhibit your safety. If you knew anything about the Villages motorcycle club you would know that they all wear helmets and have either windshields or goggles. I'm sorry that you don't like motorcycles. I don't care for convertible cars either, but I don't fault or disparage those that have them.

By the way, I wear a helmet whenever I am riding. If it is not too hot, I wear a leather jacket or a durable fabric jacket with elbow and back pads. I don't care if other riders don't wear them, because it doesn't affect my safety. I always wear boots to protect my ankles from the hot engine. Just thought I'd let you know so you would not include me in your label of "any maroon".

[Chi-Town]

Motorcyclists who are at least 21 years old and have a $10,000 medical insurance policy don�t have to wear helmets while operating their bikes.

I guess the state of Florida figures that $10,000 will cover the cost of any head injury.

[outlaw]

the whole point is missed...

It isn't about safety and any maroon knows that. It's about ego. The L.E. contingent love the sound...they like being noticed....they could care less about what others think...have no consideration for others and zero respect for others...if they did then they'd either have a switch to turn it off when not needed, a much louder horn(hmmm, that wouldn't sound as manly) and wear all the safety gear(few of them wear the helmet, leathers, gloves, boots and goggles)....

and the reason you can't hear anything at interstate speed is because your exhaust is to LOUD! Imagine that...

You obviously don't ride a motorcycle. Wind noise at interstate cruise speed is the loudest thing for the biker. And if you're going to call someone a moron, you should at least spell it correctly. Also, you do realize you just qualified yourself as a "maroon"? Just sayin'

[outlaw]

Motorcyclists who are at least 21 years old and have a $10,000 medical insurance policy don�t have to wear helmets while operating their bikes.

I guess the state of Florida figures that $10,000 will cover the cost of any head injury.

Covers the emergency paperwork for cause and time of death.

[outlaw]

Half a mile = 2640 feet. Sound or noise in this case travels 1,126 feet per second. Noise is traveling at 768 mph and your car is traveling at 70 MPH or 102 feet per second towards the source of the noise and you really think it cannot be heard?

Serious doubts really! They don't mean anything when you have experienced it first hand and know it to be a fact....it's especially bad on the interstates when there is a group of them usually weaving in and out of traffic lanes trying to stay close together .

Time to grow up...and realize what a nuisance and safety hazard it is to others.



You're not including the wind noise right outside your window. If you roll your windows down, you will understand what I mean regarding wind noise. At 1/2 mile behind you, with about 90% of the motorcycle exhaust noise aimed in the other direction, the wind noise at your ears will overwhelm any exhaust noise that far away. Now if you had said the motorcycle noise 1/2 mile away from your house while you were outside sleeping in your hammock could be heard, I would not have challenged you.

[outlaw]

I never said I had straight pipes. I don't. I have a bit of a baffle, but it is still loud. I thought that my comment was reasonable, but some folks are agitated and argue about anything that displeases them. I doubt seriously that a motorcycle passing you on the highway is going to disturb you more than three seconds, so I believe some folks just need something to complain about. Until you ride a motorbike down a highway with the air streaming and nothing to inhibit your view, you don't realize that it is NOT a "hey, look at me" type thing. It's a "wow, what a great feel of freedom" almost like flying. Anyone with a convertible probably gets some of the same feeling.
Someone said we should "grow up". Why? I think being told all your life to grow up, is sufficient. Supporting family, raising children, fighting wars is "growing up". If you haven't experienced the "freedom" of riding a bike, you have no right to comment on it. And I am not speaking specifically to you, but generalizing to those that say "loud pipes don't save lives" when I say you don't know what you are talking about. It may not help in front of you, but it has saved me several times when driving WITH traffic. If you can't take a little noise for a few seconds, then you probably can't take it when the landscaping folks are working in your neighborhood, or a plane flies over, or the train along Rt301 makes it's daily run through the area.
If you think we are all looking for attention, then I guess you are saying the same thing about convertibles, bright red cars, the folks in the squares dancing, etc.

Next time the Christian biker club or the POW biker club comes around doing their charity fund raising, let them know how much you dislike the noise they make with their bikes.

And if any of you want to get indignant about my sharp reply, do yourself a favor and don't get your blood pressure up over someone else having a little enjoyment in the later years of their lives. I think we earned it. Maybe if you cared as much about others as you like to say, then you wouldn't insult some of us with something you don't know anything about. If a few seconds of noise is going to ruin your day, then you are a very unhappy person to begin with.

At about 9am this morning I am going to be cutting some lumber for a project I am working on, in my driveway. I live in Belle Aire so I just want to warn you in case my loud noise might disturb you. Feel free to make a wide circuit around my area.

Have a great day, because I plan to. Now, on to my second cup of coffee.

So you're saying I should buy a sandblaster to get the girls?:confused:

Good post! It will probably be deleted...

[MDLNB]

So you're saying I should buy a sandblaster to get the girls?:confused:

Good post! It will probably be deleted...

I only had one cup of jo before commenting. I'm getting as bad as the rest of these old codgers. When I first came down here with my brother, I commented that there were a lot of old folks here. He asked me when was the last time I looked in the mirror.

[MDLNB]

Half a mile = 2640 feet. Sound or noise in this case travels 1,126 feet per second. Noise is traveling at 768 mph and your car is traveling at 70 MPH or 102 feet per second towards the source of the noise and you really think it cannot be heard?

Serious doubts really! They don't mean anything when you have experienced it first hand and know it to be a fact....it's especially bad on the interstates when there is a group of them usually weaving in and out of traffic lanes trying to stay close together .

Time to grow up...and realize what a nuisance and safety hazard it is to others.



And what "safety hazard" would that be?

If I "grow up" like some on here, I am afraid someone might start shoveling dirt over me. :jester:

[outlaw]

And what "safety hazard" would that be?

If I "grow up" like some on here, I am afraid someone might start shoveling dirt over me. :jester:

"Safety hazard" is the last ditch effort for justification; similar to "it's for the children".

[KeepingItReal]

Must have a cheap car, because in mine, I hardly notice motorcycle noise until they are coming up near me. Doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I enjoy trying to guess at what make bike it is before I see it. Harley has a distinct sound.

Time to get your hearing checked...:jester:

[KeepingItReal]

It's a "wow, what a great feel of freedom" almost like flying.
Someone said we should "grow up". Why? I think being told all your life to grow up, is sufficient. Supporting family, raising children, fighting wars is "growing up". If you haven't experienced the "freedom" of riding a bike, you have no right to comment on it. And I am not speaking specifically to you, but generalizing to those that say "loud pipes don't save lives" when I say you don't know what you are talking about. It may not help in front of you, but it has saved me several times when driving WITH traffic.

I think we earned it. Maybe if you cared as much about others as you like to say, then you wouldn't insult some of us with something you don't know anything about.



You're not including the wind noise right outside your window. If you roll your windows down, you will understand what I mean regarding wind noise. At 1/2 mile behind you, with about 90% of the motorcycle exhaust noise aimed in the other direction, the wind noise at your ears will overwhelm any exhaust noise that far away. Now if you had said the motorcycle noise 1/2 mile away from your house while you were outside sleeping in your hammock could be heard, I would not have challenged you.


Last post.... Facts are that those that don't care how much noise they make are going going to say anything and everything to justify what they want to do. It's an all about me and what I have earned and what I deserve attitude that some just cannot get away from. Some consider what their neighbors deserve and what their neighbors have earned over their own indulgences and others really don't care.. They think their entitlements come
first and they will never change. They feel they are the only ones that have ever done anything, fought in any war, or ever raised a family, and therefore are entitled to do whatever they please as long as they can justify it in their own minds which only comes natural to them.

[MDLNB]

Last post.... Facts are that those that don't care how much noise they make are going going to say anything and everything to justify what they want to do. It's an all about me and what I have earned and what I deserve attitude that some just cannot get away from. Some consider what their neighbors deserve and what their neighbors have earned over their own indulgences and others really don't care.. They think their entitlements come
first and they will never change. They feel they are the only ones that have ever done anything, fought in any war, or ever raised a family, and therefore are entitled to do whatever they please as long as they can justify it in their own minds which only comes natural to them.



Yep, you're right. I have a feeling that anything anyone else does bothers some folks. Some folks are just very unhappy and complain about anything, even if its three seconds of noise. It kind of reminds me of the liberals on the political forum, that believe that if something bothers one person out of the majority, then it should be banned. If you think that I am justifying doing anything I want because I earned it...hmmm...gotta admit, that should give me a bit of leeway, huh? Hate to upset you further, but I am also a former cop. I bet that bothers some folks also.

Point is, some folks ought to find something else to do with what's left of their short lives, instead of worrying about what others are doing. I'm not breaking any law. I also stop at stop signs, which many on here say, don't matter. I am considerate of my neighbors at all times, but won't be bullied.

If you ever see or hear my Harley and it disturbs you, you wave me over and I will personally buy you a beer, and sit and chat with you until you are satisfied that I would never purposely upset you with my actions.