going rogue

[twoplanekid]

It has been reported that District 8 will side stripe their multi-modal path. For newbies, it will be easier for us to tell when we are in District 8. I hope my District 10 goes with a different color.

[Mleeja]

Good for District 8. Maybe when others see how beneficial the striping can be others will have a change of heart.

[JoMar]

I vote for purple.

[mulligan]

As far as I'm concerned, there is a board that shouldn't get re-elected. I'm embarrassed to say I live in district 8. Major waste of my money.

[asianthree]

I have to say since we have been coming to TV since 2007. I can't remember ever running off the side of the path with my golf cart. And I'm not sure the line going along the path is going to stop anybody from going off or staying on your side. But it would be amusing if we do have to pay for this and since we have no control that each district have a different color. (maybe yellow with smily faces or green with dollar signs). Maybe you could find some humor in our dollars that has been spent, whether agree or not.

[Navy (SSBN 633)]

As far as I'm concerned, there is a board that shouldn't get re-elected. I'm embarrassed to say I live in district 8. Major waste of my money.

I also live in District 8 and totally concur....unbelievable waste of our $$$$. Certainly know who NOT to re elect.

[Callaway Guy]

As far as I'm concerned, there is a board that shouldn't get re-elected. I'm embarrassed to say I live in district 8. Major waste of my money.

There will be three members of that board that will not get re-elected; as the saying does, they peed in their Wheaties on this one. It's one thing to spend someone else's money if the situation warrants it; going rogue to spend someone else's money that's not justified - enjoy the remainder of your time in office. IMHO, it would be far more safer to put that stripe down the center of the MMP; at least the multitude of people that can't see would know to stay left of the centerline to be in their own lane.

[SandB]

The elected officials are charged with the stewardship of the home owner's contributed funds and as such should be prioritizing the needed projects for the district. I would like to know what the number project would be behind this frivolous stripping project.

[nkrifats]

As far as I'm concerned, there is a board that shouldn't get re-elected. I'm embarrassed to say I live in district 8. Major waste of my money.

I agree and will remember when any of them come up for election

[JGVillages]

It has been reported that District 8 will side stripe their multi-modal path. For newbies, it will be easier for us to tell when we are in District 8. I hope my District 10 goes with a different color.
Just interested in why you need to know what district you are in when driving your cart other than curiosity? :duck::duck::duck:

[Mleeja]

If anyone wants to see the benefit of stiping I suggest driving in the dark down the MMPs and then drive down Enrique Drive which has a nice white line designating the cart lane. It is much easier to know where you are to drive.

[billethkid]

If anyone wants to see the benefit of stiping I suggest driving in the dark down the MMPs and then drive down Enrique Drive which has a nice white line designating the cart lane. It is much easier to know where you are to drive.

That is on the street and not MMP....which already has a very definitive, cement edge. And if folks don't know where to drive they need to seriously consider giving it up....the side stripes will do nothing for the absence of ability.

[Polar Bear]

...And if folks don't know where to drive they need to seriously consider giving it up....the side stripes will do nothing for the absence of ability.

I'm not a big advocate of side stripes. In fact, I'd say they are not necessary everywhere. That being said, I have driven a few isolated areas that I think could benefit from side-striping or reflectors.

But I think this kind of post is an insult to good cart drivers who in certain locations and under certain circumstances have a bit of difficulty following the edge of the path. IMHO those situations do exist.

[Mleeja]

That is on the street and not MMP....which already has a very definitive, cement edge. And if folks don't know where to drive they need to seriously consider giving it up....the side stripes will do nothing for the absence of ability.

I KNOW IT IS A STREET, The point that I am making that the white stripe very clearly defines the left edge of the cart lane. It is clearly visible and can be seen for many more feet ahead than can the unmarked edge of the MMPs. With landscaping darkening the MMPs, curves and undulations there are definite areas where the edge is hard to see. Come on up, or down, what ever the case may be. I'll meet you there at 6:15 am and we will take a drive around the area. Of course I am going to drive behind you so my lights shine in your mirrors making it harder for you to see.

[OCsun]

I'm not a big advocate of side stripes. In fact, I'd say they are not necessary everywhere. That being said, I have driven a few isolated areas that I think could benefit from side-striping or reflectors.

But I think this kind of post is a insult to good cart drivers who in certain locations and under certain circumstances have a bit of difficulty following the edge of the path. IMHO those situations do exist.

I totally agree! :BigApplause:

[billethkid]

I'm not a big advocate of side stripes. In fact, I'd say they are not necessary everywhere. That being said, I have driven a few isolated areas that I think could benefit from side-striping or reflectors.

But I think this kind of post is a insult to good cart drivers who in certain locations and under certain circumstances have a bit of difficulty following the edge of the path. IMHO those situations do exist.

No insults intended. Just how I see it.

[DigitalGranny]

I hate to see money being spent on striping and I'm sure it will detract from my enjoyment of driving the cart paths. That said, there are people in TV who are driving carts and do have diminished eyesight. Side striping will help them. I doubt center striping will do much beyond what side striping alone would do. We need to be considerate of our elder residents whenever we can afford a viable "fix"

To me, it would be much more urgent to widen the on-road cart paths in Lake County. Have you driven Rio Grande or Delmar after dark?

[pbbob]

Bravo - well done for $1 per year. Last time we will get a sale like this!

[StevieB]

I am appalled District 8 is even considering stripping their cart paths. Over $8000 dollars was spent on an engineering study and that recommended we don't strip. The most upsetting thing to me is the lack of concern for the architectural integrity of The Villages. There should be consistency throughout the Districts. We moved to The Villages because of the consistency between Villages and the beautiful environment we have here. Having some cart paths stripped on the sides, District 8, stripped down the middle, District 4 makes us look like a bunch of fools. Grow up people and keep The Villages a place we all want to live and play and be proud of. Listen to the experts, you paid them.

[George1938]

Would anyone for this expenditure please enumerate the positives of this decision. Will it keep speeders in line? Will it keep drunks from driving? Will it keep autos off the multi modals? Please tell us the postives!!

[Dukester]

After a night out, 2 Plane needs to know he has landed at the right airport. Ya all have a good one. By the way who are the 3 some of us aren't voting for?

[Marathon Man]

I am also in district 8 and I am not in favor of striping.

It seems that there are many who are of the opinion that there is no downside to striping, so why not give it a try. It has been identified that side striping will increase risk to pedestrians and bike riders. Pedestrian vs golf car = pedestrian injury. This to me trumps any concern of a golf car driving off the path into the grass.

Inconsistent paths would not be good. Some with center marking. Some with side striping. Some with none. A confused system of our own doing.

For these two reasons, I believe that a liability would be created that we don't want.

[ldj1938]

Drive your cart at night or in the rain and then decide if side stripes help you stay on the cart path. Sunshine cart driver? Walk on the wrong side of the cart path in the dark? Tee time 7:28 in the winter in the dark? Lots of factors to consider. Is a few bucks really going to break you?

[Duckfinger2]

It is interesting how many were in favor of stripping until they realized the cost.
I believe if you are not still in bed or in your house at dark you would understand the need for some type of path direction detail.

But for many here the side walks roll up after 7:00 PM

[Parnone]

A true waste of money with side striping.

1. If you can not see the side of the path you should not be driving a golf cart
2. If you can not see the side of the path DO NOT DRINK SO MUCH!!!! you eyesite will be clearer
3. Put your headlights on at night.
4. Slow down to the recommended speed.

Please do not waste money of other districts. Most of us can see the difference between pavement and grass/shrubs.

[billethkid]

The participation numbers would go down with each scenario...

how many are out after dark?
how many are out after dark and riding in an unlit area?
How many are out after dark while it is raining?

So is all the need for the striping limited to the maybe 1% that may or may not be out after the sun goes down.

I prefer to look at the hundreds of thousands of golf cart trips made over the past 20 years and the 98% who made it out and back home again, many after dark and s few more in the rain.

Hundreds of thousands of trips executed safely.

Remember the real safety threat has all to do with the condition of the driver and what they were doing at the time of their accident.....and almost nothing to do with where is the edge of the road. The striping will not change the driver caused problems....not one bit!

[golfing eagles]

If you are driving a cart on the MMP at night/fog/rain, just keep the speed down so you have 30-40 feet of visibility ahead. Even at 20 mph it should be adequate, and if your vision is not so good, drive slower and more attentively. That being said, the district is a representative democracy, so if the people want it, spend the $$$$. Alternatively, we could adopt a point system like the movie "Death Race 2000"---50 points for a cart, 100 for a bicyclist, 200 for a pedestrian.........

[graciegirl]

What is anti establishment?

[dmorhome]

let's get real 19 mph and you need strip's next will be stop lights.

[Polar Bear]

...The striping will not change the driver caused problems....not one bit!
Couldn't agree more about the driver-caused problems. And what about any visibility-caused problems? They are apples and oranges after all.

[Steve]

Why thermoplastic side striping? That has to be ground off every few years when it needs replacing. Why not a broken painted line down the middle? Cheaper to apply, cheaper to maintain. Let's face it, the real reason for striping is to keep people from running into each other. If side striping was such a good idea it would be done on highways and interstates!!

[Polar Bear]

...If side striping was such a good idea it would be done on highways and interstates!!
...which is usually done. Almost always on Interstates. :confused:

[geobar]

I have to say since we have been coming to TV since 2007. I can't remember ever running off the side of the path with my golf cart. And I'm not sure the line going along the path is going to stop anybody from going off or staying on your side. But it would be amusing if we do have to pay for this and since we have no control that each district have a different color. (maybe yellow with smily faces or green with dollar signs). Maybe you could find some humor in our dollars that has been spent, whether agree or not.
Interesting Comment you had made.
Would you be happy driving your car on roads without painted lines ? Especially at night.
So a Dollar ($1.00) per year is too much to perhaps save someone life ? I don't think so.
As a full time Resident of The Villages as many others are we do use our Golf Cart's Exclusively to get around (except in the snow LOL).
The other District's will now see that their are Some Very Concerned Board Members.
Its a shame really as that if all Districts would of Authorized Stripping at one time perhaps the cost would be lower.
Another year is almost upon us and Hopefully New Board Members will Re Consider this issue for the safety of all whether Full Time or Part Time Residents. Most of the people who do not want are Snow Birds.

[justjim]

I hate to see money being spent on striping and I'm sure it will detract from my enjoyment of driving the cart paths. That said, there are people in TV who are driving carts and do have diminished eyesight. Side striping will help them. I doubt center striping will do much beyond what side striping alone would do. We need to be considerate of our elder residents whenever we can afford a viable "fix"

To me, it would be much more urgent to widen the on-road cart paths in Lake County. Have you driven Rio Grande or Delmar after dark?

:BigApplause: Granny you make a very good point for real golf cart driving safety.

[graciegirl]

:BigApplause: Granny you make a very good point for real golf cart driving safety. I agree.


Those narrow lanes with the rut that throws you sideways aren't very safe.

[Callaway Guy]

Interesting Comment you had made.
Would you be happy driving your car on roads without painted lines ? Especially at night.
So a Dollar ($1.00) per year is too much to perhaps save someone life ? I don't think so.
As a full time Resident of The Villages as many others are we do use our Golf Cart's Exclusively to get around (except in the snow LOL).
The other District's will now see that their are Some Very Concerned Board Members.
Its a shame really as that if all Districts would of Authorized Stripping at one time perhaps the cost would be lower.
Another year is almost upon us and Hopefully New Board Members will Re Consider this issue for the safety of all whether Full Time or Part Time Residents. Most of the people who do not want are Snow Birds.

Seriously? No one has died from 2 carts colliding with each other.

The difference in cost is a moot point now since CDD 8 is going rogue and, at this point, will be the only district striping their MMP.

What stats do you have to quantify the statement that the snowbirds are most of the people that do not want striping?

[Julie]

After a night out, 2 Plane needs to know he has landed at the right airport. Ya all have a good one. By the way who are the 3 some of us aren't voting for?


Who NOT to vote for next time:

Sal Torname, Victor Ray and Ray Banks

[bilcon]

What a waste of our money. If you can't figure what side of the path you belong on, you shouldn't be driving. I hope they reconsider their decision.

[outlaw]

Seriously? No one has died from 2 carts colliding with each other.

The difference in cost is a moot point now since CDD 8 is going rogue and, at this point, will be the only district striping their MMP.

What stats do you have to quantify the statement that the snowbirds are most of the people that do not want striping?

Actually, CDD4 center striped awhile ago. Very nice. Noticeable difference. Although I have heard that some 18 wheeler carts have been spotted on the MMP in CDD4.

[Sonny39]

I agree

[rlcooper70]

It has been reported that District 8 will side stripe their multi-modal path. For newbies, it will be easier for us to tell when we are in District 8. I hope my District 10 goes with a different color.
Why do we want more lines on the paths? Isn't the Villages all about people getting along and being considerate without stop lights and lines?

[JoMar]

Interesting Comment you had made.
Would you be happy driving your car on roads without painted lines ? Especially at night.
So a Dollar ($1.00) per year is too much to perhaps save someone life ? I don't think so.
As a full time Resident of The Villages as many others are we do use our Golf Cart's Exclusively to get around (except in the snow LOL).
The other District's will now see that their are Some Very Concerned Board Members.
Its a shame really as that if all Districts would of Authorized Stripping at one time perhaps the cost would be lower.
Another year is almost upon us and Hopefully New Board Members will Re Consider this issue for the safety of all whether Full Time or Part Time Residents. Most of the people who do not want are Snow Birds.

I am not a snowbird, I am against striping and it has nothing to do with cost. We just happen to be on opposite sides of the issue.

[traveler9]

Agree The districts originally said that all districts would follow the vote. Everyone else voted against it(with the exception of 7...however they kept to their promise.)

[KJTrombetta]

If people don't know which side of the road to drive on, lines won't help.

[Chasam75]

[B]I thought the Amenity Advisory Committee was in charge of making the final decision for stripping of the Multi-Modal Paths. "If" so, why are some Districts going ahead and doing so on their own? Also, too much signage and/or striping doesn't prevent accidents; however, some minimal striping might be in order, but the biggest cause of accidents on the Multi-Modal Paths is "Speed" and "Diverted Attention" by golf cart drivers. -
Sam E. Williams (District No. 2)[B]

[loolah]

It seems that there is a very vocal minority in favor of the lane striping, both side and center, for the issue just does not go away in spite of what seems to be majority opinion. My questions: if you are biking or walking along the MMP or have a slower cart than one that has been 'modified' can you be passed as you might be on a road? Must you yield? Will the center striping be broken to form a passing lane? What if you are driving and you go over the center lane? Will there be any monitor or control? And if there is an accident will blame be assigned and will golf cart operators now have to insure their carts?

[Mikeod]

[B]I thought the Amenity Advisory Committee was in charge of making the final decision for stripping of the Multi-Modal Paths. "If" so, why are some Districts going ahead and doing so on their own? Also, too much signage and/or striping doesn't prevent accidents; however, some minimal striping might be in order, but the biggest cause of accidents on the Multi-Modal Paths is "Speed" and "Diverted Attention" by golf cart drivers. -
Sam E. Williams (District No. 2)[B]
The AAC is responsible for amenities north of 466. The MMPs are not amenities per se. I believe you are thinking of the Project Wide Advisory Committee, which took on the striping discussion.

[billethkid]

It seems that there is a very vocal minority in favor of the lane striping, both side and center, for the issue just does not go away in spite of what seems to be majority opinion. My questions: if you are biking or walking along the MMP or have a slower cart than one that has been 'modified' can you be passed as you might be on a road? Must you yield? Will the center striping be broken to form a passing lane? What if you are driving and you go over the center lane? Will there be any monitor or control? And if there is an accident will blame be assigned and will golf cart operators now have to insure their carts?

The last two sentences make one wonder if..............

[dbussone]

It seems that there is a very vocal minority in favor of the lane striping, both side and center, for the issue just does not go away in spite of what seems to be majority opinion. My questions: if you are biking or walking along the MMP or have a slower cart than one that has been 'modified' can you be passed as you might be on a road? Must you yield? Will the center striping be broken to form a passing lane? What if you are driving and you go over the center lane? Will there be any monitor or control? And if there is an accident will blame be assigned and will golf cart operators now have to insure their carts?


I insure my cart and have since day 1. In my first month (3 years ago) I was pulling into a golf course parking area. Two carts were behind me, and a Jamoke coming out of the course was counting the $3 he won, not looking at all. He hit me despite the fact that I was stopped, could not back up, was yelling at him, and blowing my horn. There are far too many people who lack focus and the skills to drive their carts safely. That's why Dan Newlin will soon open an office in TV, IMO. Just saying.

P.S., Striping will not overcome stupidity.

[Mulliganguy]

Seems to me that since it has been determined that white lines on the mmp would not be beneficial from the safety standpoint that perhaps the powers that be should save the expense of placing striping the roadways also.

[DonH57]

Striping the cart paths make absolutely no sense. It won't stop the careless or the entitled ones from driving recklessly until something serious happens.

[Barefoot]

And if there is an accident will blame be assigned and will golf cart operators now have to insure their carts?

No-one should be driving without golf cart insurance. :shocked:
Hopefully all residents currently insure their golf carts.

[JoMar]

No-one should be driving without golf cart insurance. :shocked:
Hopefully all residents currently insure their golf carts.

:agree::gc:

[twoplanekid]

Although a few years old, this study presents some interesting suggestions and recommendations starting on page 20.

http://assets.aarp.org/rgcenter/ppi/liv-com/insight54.pdf

[dbussone]

:agree::gc:


Actually, my insurance agent says few do. And as I said earlier:
P.S., Striping will not overcome stupidity.

[dbussone]

Striping the cart paths make absolutely no sense. It won't stop the careless or the entitled ones from driving recklessly until something serious happens.


Striping will not overcome stupidity.

[Mleeja]

Striping the cart paths make absolutely no sense. It won't stop the careless or the entitled ones from driving recklessly until something serious happens.

What then? Based on this logic there is no need for striping on Morris Blvd. Everyone in their cars will just drive responsibility, stay in their lanes, and not speed. Especially when it is dark or raining. No need for traffic markings anywhere....

[dbussone]

What then? Based on this logic there is no need for striping on Morris Blvd. Everyone in their cars will just drive responsibility, stay in their lanes, and not speed. Especially when it is dark or raining. No need for traffic markings anywhere....


Striping will not overcome stupidity. Does anyone get the point?

[Polar Bear]

Striping will not overcome stupidity. Does anyone get the point?

Striping is not intended to overcome stupidity. Does anyone get that point?

[DonH57]

Exactly.

[billethkid]

Seems to me that since it has been determined that white lines on the mmp would not be beneficial from the safety standpoint that perhaps the powers that be should save the expense of placing striping the roadways also.

That simply does not compute.

[outlaw]

No-one should be driving without golf cart insurance. :shocked:
Hopefully all residents currently insure their golf carts.

I would estimate that no more than 10% of carts are insured.

[outlaw]

That simply does not compute.

He/she is arguing that if striping won't help because it won't change people's bad behavior, then let's just remove striping from all streets, since stripes can't fix bad, irresponsible behavior. Does it compute now?

[SDBart]

I have followed this story from the beginning with much interest. We have experienced first hand how scary it can be driving carts at night, particularly in the rain, and at any time when an oncoming cart's lights blind you. Driving on the neighborhood streets with their streetlights and dedicated lanes is not a problem, but the multimodal paths on Buena Vista can be treacherous. Considering that we are not even very old, I can imagine it must be even more difficult for those that are. The POA has had several good articles about this issue, with the actual costs per household, unlike the crap you read in the Sun (and from the Villages-hired engineers). I don't remember the exact numbers but it was like $10 per household. For me, this is a no-brainier if it saves even one person from injury. I have driven on District 4's striped paths at night and can tell you, it is so much safer! Also, the POA reported that more than 70% of the folks who responded to the survey were in favor of some kind of striping, although I doubt everyone was in favor of the same kind.

[SDBart]

I am also in district 8 and I am not in favor of striping.

It seems that there are many who are of the opinion that there is no downside to striping, so why not give it a try. It has been identified that side striping will increase risk to pedestrians and bike riders. Pedestrian vs golf car = pedestrian injury. This to me trumps any concern of a golf car driving off the path into the grass.

Inconsistent paths would not be good. Some with center marking. Some with side striping. Some with none. A confused system of our own doing.

For these two reasons, I believe that a liability would be created that we don't want.


The bikers and pedestrians were against the middle striping and reflectors. I haven't heard anything against side striping. And the striping isn't really needed during the day, but at night, it would sure help! When on the many dark stretches, it is scary when there is an oncoming cart. The lights totally blind you. And add rain to that mix......not safe.

[outlaw]

Speaking of striping, what is it about these people who stop their cart on the MMP to visit with someone. Would they do this in their car on BV or Morse?
And why do some walkers insist that they own the whole MMP side they are walking on? Some of these id!ots walk out almost in the middle of the MMP, just daring you to hit them!
And why do some bicyclists think they own the whole side of the MMP they are riding on? Some will coast along at 5 mph taking up half the total MMP width. Do they have a death wish?
I think I'm somewhat outraged. Or at least miffed.

[Fraugoofy]

I would estimate that no more than 10% of carts are insured.
Anyone have any real stats on this? 10% seems so low? I can't believe anyone would drive a cart WITHOUT insurance!

[outlaw]

Anyone have any real stats on this? 10% seems so low? I can't believe anyone would drive a cart WITHOUT insurance!

I do. Most motorcyclists also ride without insurance. Although, I do have motorcycle insurance. Mainly for theft and damage to the bike. I know a few people who don't carry home insurance, either. The insurance propaganda machine over many decades has been very effective. Termite policy, appliance policy, extended auto warranty....

[Fraugoofy]

Ok, thanks, Outlaw...

[cableb08]

I live in District 10 and hope that we get the side stripping. If it saves 1 life, it is well worth the cost.

[Yosemite]

I live in District 10 and hope that we get the side stripping. If it saves 1 life, it is well worth the cost.
I think side stripping is a good idea, and since many of the residents in CDD 10 are younger than the rest of us I am sure they will do a good job of it. Seeing a handsome well built man stripping on the side of the path is surely very pleasant. The problem is my definition of "handsome well built" may not be the same as the next cart coming along. And what happens as they age? Seeing my own wrinkles is bad enough. Do I need to see others' as they are stripping on the edge? And let's be frank: some side strippers may be too wide to safely allow room for me to pass.

[billethkid]

I think side stripping is a good idea, and since many of the residents in CDD 10 are younger than the rest of us I am sure they will do a good job of it. Seeing a handsome well built man stripping on the side of the path is surely very pleasant. The problem is my definition of "handsome well built" may not be the same as the next cart coming along. And what happens as they age? Seeing my own wrinkles is bad enough. Do I need to see others' as they are stripping on the edge? And let's be frank: some side strippers may be too wide to safely allow room for me to pass.

Finally a worthy change of pace for the already dead horse!

[villagetinker]

Well more fuel has been added to the fire......The unnamed online news source has an article where the district engineer has written a letter to the "rouge" districts. I am going to run out of popcorn watching this unfold.......

[JoMar]

Anyone have any real stats on this? 10% seems so low? I can't believe anyone would drive a cart WITHOUT insurance!

Which is why I have uninsured motorist insurance on my cart.

[JoMar]

I live in District 10 and hope that we get the side stripping. If it saves 1 life, it is well worth the cost.

I live in District 10 and hope we don't.

[virgind]

What a waste of money. If people cant drive their carts on these paths without the lines what makes you think they will do better with them. Personally I think the district supervisors have surplus of money and just feel the need to waste our money.

[Polar Bear]

What a waste of money. If people cant drive their carts on these paths without the lines what makes you think they will do better with them...
It's called visibility...a pretty basic requirement of safe driving.

I'm not even in favor of blanket covering all of TV MMP's with striping, but the constant equating of driver ability with visibility issues is amazing to me.

[virgind]

I remember a few years ago I saw a lady at Spanish Springs with a red tipped cane tapping the ground in front of her as she was driving down the street. Maybe we need rumble bumps on the side for that. That is how stupid the white lines are. Stop driving if you cant see the edge of the path. Eleven years ago or so you werent allowed out after dark with a cart. How about volunteer golf cart path police.

[Callaway Guy]

Speaking of striping, what is it about these people who stop their cart on the MMP to visit with someone. Would they do this in their car on BV or Morse?
And why do some walkers insist that they own the whole MMP side they are walking on? Some of these id!ots walk out almost in the middle of the MMP, just daring you to hit them!
And why do some bicyclists think they own the whole side of the MMP they are riding on? Some will coast along at 5 mph taking up half the total MMP width. Do they have a death wish?
I think I'm somewhat outraged. Or at least miffed.

I was on a MMP with my cart yesterday and came upon 2 ladies, WALKING WITH TRAFFIC, and neither one heard me until I was almost right behind them. I stopped and GENTLY suggested that they walk facing traffic so as to be able to see what's coming at them. One of them looked at me and told me "to just mind my own business". It was one of those moments in life where I've learned to pick my battles, so I just smiled and drove off thinking "you can't fix stupid".

[Polar Bear]

I remember a few years ago I saw a lady at Spanish Springs with a red tipped cane tapping the ground in front of her as she was driving down the street. Maybe we need rumble bumps on the side for that. That is how stupid the white lines are...
The word "stupid" does come to mind as I read this, but not exactly in the same context as you suggest.

[ditka41]

There will be three members of that board that will not get re-elected; as the saying does, they peed in their Wheaties on this one. It's one thing to spend someone else's money if the situation warrants it; going rogue to spend someone else's money that's not justified - enjoy the remainder of your time in office. IMHO, it would be far more safer to put that stripe down the center of the MMP; at least the multitude of people that can't see would know to stay left of the centerline to be in their own lane.


So how are people going to be trained to all at once start driving "left of the centerline"? This is the US and we generally stay to the right of the centerline just to uniform and conform with motor vehicle laws. I predict a lot more accidents when they start driving on the left. Or, perhaps someone else has "peed in their Wheaties"? Your suggestion sounds a little dangerous.

[Villageswimmer]

Who NOT to vote for next time:

Sal Torname, Victor Ray and Ray Banks


Remember these names!

C'mon guys. There's still time to go with the people who elected you to represent them. Don't make District 8 the laughing stock of TV.

[Marathon Man]

And why do some walkers insist that they own the whole MMP side they are walking on? Some of these id!ots walk out almost in the middle of the MMP, just daring you to hit them!
And why do some bicyclists think they own the whole side of the MMP they are riding on? Some will coast along at 5 mph taking up half the total MMP width. Do they have a death wish?
I think I'm somewhat outraged. Or at least miffed.

How much of the path do they have a right to?

[outlaw]

How much of the path do they have a right to?

Walkers have a right to the width of the person walking single file; not two people walking side by side, or four people walking side by side. Cyclists have the right to one bicycle width rolling along; not two cyclists riding side by side, or three cyclists riding side by side. Similarly, carts have the right to a single cart width, not two carts riding side by side.

[outlaw]

Remember these names!

C'mon guys. There's still time to go with the people who elected you to represent them. Don't make District 8 the laughing stock of TV.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these positions non-paying/volunteer positions? How about thanking them for stepping up and donating their time for a thankless job. I'll bet none of you "threatening" to vote them out will be running.

[Bogie Shooter]

Did you read this somewhere or just make it up? Slow down and give everybody there space.

[billethkid]

Walkers have a right to the width of the person walking single file; not two people walking side by side, or four people walking side by side. Cyclists have the right to one bicycle width rolling along; not two cyclists riding side by side, or three cyclists riding side by side. Similarly, carts have the right to a single cart width, not two carts riding side by side.

Common sense works much better than arbitrary "quotas".

[graciegirl]

Walkers have a right to the width of the person walking single file; not two people walking side by side, or four people walking side by side. Cyclists have the right to one bicycle width rolling along; not two cyclists riding side by side, or three cyclists riding side by side. Similarly, carts have the right to a single cart width, not two carts riding side by side.



I have copied and am posting Bogie Shooter's post (see below) because I agree with it.


Did you read this somewhere or just make it up? Slow down and give everybody their space.

[graciegirl]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these positions non-paying/volunteer positions? How about thanking them for stepping up and donating their time for a thankless job. I'll bet none of you "threatening" to vote them out will be running.





????????? People who have a right to vote have a right to vote for what they think is right, whether a person is paid for the position or not.

[festusrules]

I live in Buttonwood and can think of very few paths that do not have curbing as the right hand boundary. Where exactly are they going to add stripes?

[Challenger]

I live in Buttonwood and can think of very few paths that do not have curbing as the right hand boundary. Where exactly are they going to add stripes?

I don't know that there are any MMPs in Buttonwood

[Mleeja]

It's called visibility...a pretty basic requirement of safe driving.

I'm not even in favor of blanket covering all of TV MMP's with striping, but the constant equating of driver ability with visibility issues is amazing to me.

I often wonder when reading these post if the folks who are so strongly against striping travel the MMPs when is dark? Do they have early morning tee times? Do they go to the squares in the evening? Spend an evening at friends house playing cards? Go out to dinner after 6:00 pm? Attending a 6:00 pm church service will have one driving in the dark. Why are they so against making the community safer for all?

[bagboy]

I don't know that there are any MMPs in Buttonwood

There is one mile of MMP in district 8 along Buena Vista Blvd. I am not sure exactly where that one mile starts and finishes.

[billethkid]

I often wonder when reading these post if the folks who are so strongly against striping travel the MMPs when is dark? Do they have early morning tee times? Do they go to the squares in the evening? Spend an evening at friends house playing cards? Go out to dinner after 6:00 pm? Attending a 6:00 pm church service will have one driving in the dark. Why are they so against making the community safer for all?

They are not against making the community safer for ALL.
Take all the examples given above and there still would be significantly less than half of all cart traffic on the road after dark.
And of the half that do travel after dark there is a small percentage that will have trouble seeing no matter what is done to the MMP.
Then there are the drivers, day or night, that just do not drive safely. They will be unaffected by striping or anything else.

Educating and hopefully changing the driving habits of a certain percentage of cart drivers will do more to affect the saftey of the community than striping the MMP.....and save hundreds of thousands of $$$$.

I will venture a guess that 90+% of all cart accidents are during the daytime hours......and the majority due to unsafe driving by somebody!

[kcrazorbackfan]

I often wonder when reading these post if the folks who are so strongly against striping travel the MMPs when is dark? Do they have early morning tee times? Do they go to the squares in the evening? Spend an evening at friends house playing cards? Go out to dinner after 6:00 pm? Attending a 6:00 pm church service will have one driving in the dark. Why are they so against making the community safer for all?

My travels on MMP's in my cart is about 60% day/40% night. SIDE STRIPING is not going to make riding the paths any safer; if the three supervisors in CDD 8 have to foolishly spend money we (I live in CDD 8) pay to the district for something, spend the money on CENTER STRIPING; a lot more serious accident is going to occur if a cart crosses over center and crashes into another cart vs. running off the side and crashing into a bush. Try this while driving - PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR DRIVING, PAY ATTENTION TO ALL OTHER DRIVERS AND DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE. Also, the LED headlights for carts give plenty of light to see by at night; if your cart does not have them, spend a little money for the upgrade and you'll see a whole lot better all around during low light conditions

[TheVillageChicken]

In the early days of the horseless carriage, laws were enacted to require a vehicle to be preceded in hours of darkness by a pedestrian carrying a lantern. I think it is time to return to the good old days and I am going to ask the wife to perform this service for me. If I present it to her as a way to lose some weight and save the district some money, I think that might seal the deal. I just hope she can run over 20 MPH.

[Mleeja]

My travels on MMP's in my cart is about 60% day/40% night. SIDE STRIPING is not going to make riding the paths any safer; if the three supervisors in CDD 8 have to foolishly spend money we (I live in CDD 8) pay to the district for something, spend the money on CENTER STRIPING; a lot more serious accident is going to occur if a cart crosses over center and crashes into another cart vs. running off the side and crashing into a bush. Try this while driving - PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR DRIVING, PAY ATTENTION TO ALL OTHER DRIVERS AND DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE. Also, the LED headlights for carts give plenty of light to see by at night; if your cart does not have them, spend a little money for the upgrade and you'll see a whole lot better all around during low light conditions

In another post I made the offer to meet anyone at 6:15 in the morning and drive down the MMP on El Cameo Drive and then down Enrique Drive where there is a white stripe marking the cart lane. Yes I know Enrique is a street. The point is you will be able to see for yourself the improved visablilty of the cart lane and where you are going. Of course I am driving behind you so my lights are shining in your mirrors. So far no takers.....

[looneycat]

They are not against making the community safer for ALL.
Take all the examples given above and there still would be significantly less than half of all cart traffic on the road after dark.
And of the half that do travel after dark there is a small percentage that will have trouble seeing no matter what is done to the MMP.

what are you talking about? how did you decide it will be a small percent, if everyone would stop the BS they too would admit to visibility problems at night.
the vast majority of those who travel the cart paths in the dark, something the so-called engineer did NOT do, complain about visibilty. I welcome striping as it will make it safer. You want to talk small numbers....isn't it better to save even 1 accident if you can??

[looneycat]

My travels on MMP's in my cart is about 60% day/40% night. SIDE STRIPING is not going to make riding the paths any safer; if the three supervisors in CDD 8 have to foolishly spend money we (I live in CDD 8) pay to the district for something, spend the money on CENTER STRIPING; a lot more serious accident is going to occur if a cart crosses over center and crashes into another cart vs. running off the side and crashing into a bush. Try this while driving - PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR DRIVING, PAY ATTENTION TO ALL OTHER DRIVERS AND DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE. Also, the LED headlights for carts give plenty of light to see by at night; if your cart does not have them, spend a little money for the upgrade and you'll see a whole lot better all around during low light conditions

quite true, center striping would be better. I have found, however, that most LED headlights are improperly aimed (yes they are adjustable) and as a result do more to blind oncoming drivers than standard headlights.

[Mleeja]

In the early days of the horseless carriage, laws were enacted to require a vehicle to be preceded in hours of darkness by a pedestrian carrying a lantern. I think it is time to return to the good old days and I am going to ask the wife to perform this service for me. If I present it to her as a way to lose some weight and save the district some money, I think that might seal the deal. I just hope she can run over 20 MPH.

You know you shouldn't be exceeding 20 mph!!! :police::wave:

[outlaw]

My travels on MMP's in my cart is about 60% day/40% night. SIDE STRIPING is not going to make riding the paths any safer; if the three supervisors in CDD 8 have to foolishly spend money we (I live in CDD 8) pay to the district for something, spend the money on CENTER STRIPING; a lot more serious accident is going to occur if a cart crosses over center and crashes into another cart vs. running off the side and crashing into a bush. Try this while driving - PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR DRIVING, PAY ATTENTION TO ALL OTHER DRIVERS AND DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE. Also, the LED headlights for carts give plenty of light to see by at night; if your cart does not have them, spend a little money for the upgrade and you'll see a whole lot better all around during low light conditions

You can count me in on two out of three.

[outlaw]

quite true, center striping would be better. I have found, however, that most LED headlights are improperly aimed (yes they are adjustable) and as a result do more to blind oncoming drivers than standard headlights.

I've positioned my led lights upward and to the left.

[JoMar]

I've positioned my led lights upward and to the left.
Very generous, lighting the MMP for the carts in the other lane......:) lol

[looneycat]

I've positioned my led lights upward and to the left.


:22yikes::thumbup:

[looneycat]

I live in Buttonwood and can think of very few paths that do not have curbing as the right hand boundary. Where exactly are they going to add stripes?

that's good, continue to only use your cart in buttonwood and don't worry about this thread.

[Barefoot]

In the early days of the horseless carriage, laws were enacted to require a vehicle to be preceded in hours of darkness by a pedestrian carrying a lantern. I think it is time to return to the good old days and I am going to ask the wife to perform this service for me. If I present it to her as a way to lose some weight and save the district some money, I think that might seal the deal. I just hope she can run over 20 MPH.
You are a hoot. :crap2:

[graciegirl]

You are a hoot. :crap2:
Make that a hoot and a half. Funny and smart and helpful too. He is the first chicken I am a fan of.

Did I just dangle a part of speech?

[dbussone]

Make that a hoot and a half. Funny and smart and helpful too. He is the first chicken I am a fan of.

Did I just dangle a part of speech?


A participle to be precise! Oh oh to be or not to be?

[outlaw]

Very generous, lighting the MMP for the carts in the other lane......:) lol

I have noticed a lot of approaching carts pulling off the path to their right. They must be enjoying the beautiful evenings in TV. And they seem more friendly than others; they usually wave frantically towards me as I pass. I wave back. It's nice here.

[fred53]

You can count me in on two out of three.

some really loud exhausts? I have it from a very high authority that they save lives....:a20:

[PennBF]

Here is a CDD 8 deciding to enhance their community with some painting and because they are NOT conforming to some other "Village Management Edicts" they are classified as "GOING ROGUE". You really have to get a life. If some group decides to paint some cement on the side of a cart path it does it qualify to call them rogue and give them eternal damnation. With all that is going on in the world is this really something that deserves such dedicated attention and name calling. Lets thank them for thinking independently and rewarding them with praise for not being sheep and following the flock. Honest are you really serious? :eclipsee_gold_cup:

[graciegirl]

Here is a CDD 8 deciding to enhance their community with some painting and because they are NOT conforming to some other "Village Management Edicts" they are classified as "GOING ROGUE". You really have to get a life. If some group decides to paint some cement on the side of a cart path it does it qualify to call them rogue and give them eternal damnation. With all that is going on in the world is this really something that deserves such dedicated attention and name calling. Lets thank them for thinking independently and rewarding them with praise for not being sheep and following the flock. Honest are you really serious? :eclipsee_gold_cup:
I am sure, that just like all of us, you knew this was a CDD form of government and it isn't like a municipality that is more familiar back home.


It has it's plusses and minuses depending on how you look at things but many of us like that the control is done by someone other than the residents.


I am a huge fan of deed restrictions and also the care and consideration put into the decisions made by Janet Tutt and the people she works for.


They just keep improving this wonderful place. I see no reason to ignore them or " overthrow" them. They keep this place nice and give us much more than anyone could expect for the money.


Going rogue sounds like an accurate description to me of ignoring a system that works.

[billethkid]

:popcorn:

:popcorn:

[PennBF]

You can't be serious! There is a difference in being a "fan" of someone and being fanatical. Judging thqt support for the Developer and then whoever he appoints is balanced logic is kind of off the charts. There is a difference in being objective and blind following. Of course we all love The Villages but are balanced in our considerations of what is good and what is not. It is really a mystery that anyone could blindly follow anyone with dedication that does not consider right from wrong. The shame of this kind of logic is that it makes all decisions questionable. There are some things the Developer has done outside of the Villages that were not only wrong by not legal. How is that justified and right?
That does not make him a bad person but does raise questions regarding some of his judgement. :bowdown:

[TheVillageChicken]

You can't be serious! There is a difference in being a "fan" of someone and being fanatical. Judging thqt support for the Developer and then whoever he appoints is balanced logic is kind of off the charts. There is a difference in being objective and blind following. Of course we all love The Villages but are balanced in our considerations of what is good and what is not. It is really a mystery that anyone could blindly follow anyone with dedication that does not consider right from wrong. The shame of this kind of logic is that it makes all decisions questionable. There are some things the Developer has done outside of the Villages that were not only wrong by not legal. How is that justified and right?
That does not make him a bad person but does raise questions regarding some of his judgement. :bowdown:


How is it relevant?

[graciegirl]

You can't be serious! There is a difference in being a "fan" of someone and being fanatical. Judging thqt support for the Developer and then whoever he appoints is balanced logic is kind of off the charts. There is a difference in being objective and blind following. Of course we all love The Villages but are balanced in our considerations of what is good and what is not. It is really a mystery that anyone could blindly follow anyone with dedication that does not consider right from wrong. The shame of this kind of logic is that it makes all decisions questionable. There are some things the Developer has done outside of the Villages that were not only wrong by not legal. How is that justified and right?
That does not make him a bad person but does raise questions regarding some of his judgement. :bowdown:



Are you talking about the moose shot on his property out west?


Some people blindly follow the group who always seems to be mad at the developer. I will be mad at him too, or them now, when they really screw up.


It is just as foolish to be at one end as the other. Moderation is the key. There are far more things right here than any place I have lived. Give the wealthy devil his due. And I think class envy is at the root of a lot of nastiness at the developer and the fact that the Morses support the Republican Party.

[billethkid]

And I thought the lateral arabesques, line drives to left field and the where the "h" did that come from was limited to the political forum!:jester:

[Polar Bear]

...I think you are talking about race.
And your point is?

And I thought the lateral arabesques, line drives to left field and the where the "h" did that come from was limited to the political forum!:jester:


I was also wondering what portion of left field that came out of.

[graciegirl]

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[graciegirl]

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[Barefoot]

Lets thank them for thinking independently and rewarding them with praise for not being sheep and following the flock.
Thank the CDD8 representatives for thinking independently?
I thought their mission was to find out the prevailing opinion of the residents they represent and vote accordingly.

[Villageswimmer]

Thank the CDD8 representatives for thinking independently?
I thought their mission was to find out the prevailing opinion of the residents they represent and vote accordingly.



That's what I and my CDD8 neighbors, for the most part, think as well. Representatives are supposed to represent...not be independent thinkers. Why do we vote at all?

[JoMar]

That's what I and my CDD8 neighbors, for the most part, think as well. Representatives are supposed to represent...not be independent thinkers. Why do we vote at all?

To get those that don't represent you off the CDD's?

[kcrazorbackfan]

some really loud exhausts? I have it from a very high authority that they save lives....:a20:

So can I now put headers on my cart? :2excited:

[Villageswimmer]

To get those that don't represent you off the CDD's?

I guess I didn't express it clearly...exactly my point.

[Shimpy]

I just signed a petition a few minutes ago to stop the stripping. This petition was going door to door in Buttonwood and I'm sure in the rest of the district.

[tomwed]

I just signed a petition a few minutes ago to stop the stripping. This petition was going door to door in Buttonwood and I'm sure in the rest of the district.
Thank-goodness
Has anyone heard of a striping petition going around?

[Callaway Guy]

I just signed a petition a few minutes ago to stop the stripping. This petition was going door to door in Buttonwood and I'm sure in the rest of the district.

Stripping? STRIPPING? I though this was a retirement community; where's this stripping taking place at? :p

[Topspinmo]

I vote for purple.

I vote for black:shrug:

[Mleeja]

Stripping? STRIPPING? I though this was a retirement community; where's this stripping taking place at? :p

At the town squares. But you have to get there early and tie off you chairs.

[Barefoot]

I just signed a petition a few minutes ago to stop the stripping. I'm against pole dancing also. :pepper2:

[asianthree]

Now that I thought about it we no longer in district 8 so yea for us:pepper2:

[mulligan]

I'm against pole dancing also. :pepper2:

You have to admit that the occasional polka, or the chicken dance are appropriate.

[graciegirl]

You have to admit that the occasional polka, or the chicken dance are appropriate.



Stripping in public is hard on one's ego. The last time I did it, they all shouted; "Put it back on!"

[CFrance]

At the town squares. But you have to get there early and tie off you chairs.
Or on utility boxes. But only the green ones.

[Shimpy]

Stripping? STRIPPING? I though this was a retirement community; where's this stripping taking place at? :p

I "Though" this was a retirement community?...... I "thought it was also.

[golfing eagles]

I "Though" this was a retirement community?...... I "thought it was also.

Even thought you though this was a retirement community, there are others that though you though wrong, even thought I though thou were correct

[Mleeja]

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