District 6 residents

[virgind]

Please send me an email if you would reject the golf cart paths having lines on the sides or center. This would be a total irresponsible waste of money. My email is ddebbe@gmail.com FYI I live in Virginia Trace. Thank you This is legit just in case they think they want to do this. District 8 is doing it against will of many residents.

[Mleeja]

I think even those against striping agree that visability on the MMPs can be difficult in darkness or inclement weather. I want to hear, or see in writing, their suggestions for making the paths safer. "Personal responsibility" doesn't cut it for those who drive to meet the conditions. We are still being passed by speeding carts, having to take actions to avoid others taking both haves of the middle. Being blinded by oncoming carts or from carts tailgating. Why is making the paths safer for all an "irresponsible waste of money"?

[Chi-Town]

I think even those against striping agree that visability on the MMPs can be difficult in darkness or inclement weather. I want to hear, or see in writing, their suggestions for making the paths safer. "Personal responsibility" doesn't cut it for those who drive to meet the conditions. We are still being passed by speeding carts, having to take actions to avoid others taking both haves of the middle. Being blinded by oncoming carts or from carts tailgating. Why is making the paths safer for all an "irresponsible waste of money"?

Nicely stated.

[njbchbum]

Mleeja - What makes you think that striping will change the selfish, careless, self-centered ways of a speeding cart, a tailgater or a cart driving 'both halves of the middle'? How does a stripe make the path safer if drivers still abuse the space? Gun laws don't stop murders, red lights don't stop drivers from running thru them, stop signs don't make drivers stop at them...even villages gates are broken by the impatient! Only a courteous, disciplined driver exercising personal responsibility on the paths will make them safer...not a stripe - in the middle or along the edge!

[Topspinmo]

I propose concrete barrier's down the center and guard rails down the sides all paths! :thumbup: Might as well deplete all the excess funds so monthly tax can be raised to more unrealistic level. After all we are all rich here in th villages and somebody need to redirect or bank accounts::D:22yikes:

Might as well put anti braking self stopping radar on all carts and breathizer starting also. And eye test to get the cart to move. :posting:

"O" I forgot wire cage on the sides of golf cart so we don't fall out? That should cover all safety concerns? Notice I said should?

[wudda1955]

I'm not understanding how striping will stop being blinded by oncoming carts or keep drivers from tailgating. How will striping stop a cart from passing another? It may stop someone from driving in the middle of the path, but honestly, the only time I've seen this is when the driver is trying to avoid something on their side of the road--a fallen palm frond, a sprinkler gone awry, or a deep puddle, for instance.

[outlaw]

The engineer that performed the study stated that he observed carts using the CDD4 striped path and concluded that the carts tended to cross into the left path when passing someone (walker, slower cart), then quickly moved back into their proper lane. As opposed to the non-striped path behavior, where the passing cart meandered along the path over a longer distance in the other lane. That is exactly what I want a center line to cause.

[Xcuse]

I think even those against striping agree that visability on the MMPs can be difficult in darkness or inclement weather. I want to hear, or see in writing, their suggestions for making the paths safer. "Personal responsibility" doesn't cut it for those who drive to meet the conditions. We are still being passed by speeding carts, having to take actions to avoid others taking both haves of the middle. Being blinded by oncoming carts or from carts tailgating. Why is making the paths safer for all an "irresponsible waste of money"?
Striping on the multi-modal paths will not make them safer for everyone. It will make them slipperier when damp for skaters, cyclists etc.

[Mleeja]

Striping on the multi-modal paths will not make them safer for everyone. It will make them slipperier when damp for skaters, cyclists etc.

Are you going to skating in the rain? Everyone keeps telling me what they wouldn't do. What would you do to improve the safety of the MMPs. I want a serious answer, not some comment like the "concrete barrier in the middle"? That does not add value to the disucssion.

[Mleeja]

Mleeja - What makes you think that striping will change the selfish, careless, self-centered ways of a speeding cart, a tailgater or a cart driving 'both halves of the middle'? How does a stripe make the path safer if drivers still abuse the space? Gun laws don't stop murders, red lights don't stop drivers from running thru them, stop signs don't make drivers stop at them...even villages gates are broken by the impatient! Only a courteous, disciplined driver exercising personal responsibility on the paths will make them safer...not a stripe - in the middle or along the edge!

I can't change the actions of irresponsible drivers. Unfortunately, some of them are the ones against the striping. I want the MMPs to have stripes so I can use them as reference points in the dark or the rain. I want to have as many tools as possible to protect myself. Just like gun laws, I can own a gun to protect myself from the "crazies". Why can't I have stripes to help me from the "crazies" when I am driving?

[Polar Bear]

I can't change the actions of irresponsible drivers...

I agree, Mleeja. Whether for or against striping, the attempt to somehow say striping is not needed because there are some bad drivers out there makes no sense.

[njbchbum]

I can't change the actions of irresponsible drivers. Unfortunately, some of them are the ones against the striping. I want the MMPs to have stripes so I can use them as reference points in the dark or the rain. I want to have as many tools as possible to protect myself. Just like gun laws, I can own a gun to protect myself from the "crazies". Why can't I have stripes to help me from the "crazies" when I am driving?

Perhaps because a gun is a tool that enables you to take a specific protective action? How are you going to use that stripe to protect anything? You said yourself, "I can't change the actions of irresponsible drivers." - the stripe is not going to protect you from the irresponsible and you don't need protection from the responsible!

[njbchbum]

I agree, Mleeja. Whether for or against striping, the attempt to somehow say striping is not needed because there are some bad drivers out there makes no sense.

So will striping change irresponsible drivers into responsible ones? NOT! But I bet it will further frustrate responsible drivers who post-striping will expect all drivers to drive responsibly and stay within their lines.

[Polar Bear]

So will striping change irresponsible drivers into responsible ones? NOT! But I bet it will further frustrate responsible drivers who post-striping will expect all drivers to drive responsibly and stay within their lines.
Once again, I simply fail to see the logic.

Name a roadway safety feature that has turned or will turn an irresponsible driver into a responsible one. There are none.

And responsible drivers never expect all drivers to act responsibly all the time.

[Mleeja]

I have asked in this thread and other threads on this topic for those who are against the striping to offer alternatives to make the MMPs safer. All I have received is....nothing...well not serious replies anyway. I have received a lot of criticism because I support the idea of improving the safety of the MMPs.

If striping is not needed, then let leave it off the streets and highways as well. We all responsible and will drive in the correct manner.

[Chi-Town]

Striping has nothing to do with responsibility. People who are responsible drive accordingly, and the same goes for people who aren't. The striping is to aid all, the same that highway and street striping do.

[bagboy]

Are you going to skating in the rain? Everyone keeps telling me what they wouldn't do. What would you do to improve the safety of the MMPs. I want a serious answer, not some comment like the "concrete barrier in the middle"? That does not add value to the disucssion.

My contribution to MMP safety. I will not speed. I will not text or talk on the phone while operating my cart. I will keep my patience with drivers, bikers, walkers, etc. regardless. I will not drive my cart if I am on medication that discourages me from operating machinery. I will not get plastered at a local restaurant/bar then risk anyone's safety anywhere. And I HOPE that when and if the time comes that I can no longer operate my cart safely due to vision (day or night), physical or mental impairment, slow reaction time, etc. that I will have the sense to let someone else do the driving.
Most of the above isn't what I would do, but rather what I do. I think it goes along way for a safer MMP ride.

[Mikeod]

My contribution to MMP safety. I will not speed. I will not text or talk on the phone while operating my cart. I will keep my patience with drivers, bikers, walkers, etc. regardless. I will not drive my cart if I am on medication that discourages me from operating machinery. I will not get plastered at a local restaurant/bar then risk anyone's safety anywhere. And I HOPE that when and if the time comes that I can no longer operate my cart safely due to vision (day or night), physical or mental impairment, slow reaction time, etc. that I will have the sense to let someone else do the driving.
Most of the above isn't what I would do, but rather what I do. I think it goes along way for a safer MMP ride.
:BigApplause:

[Marathon Man]

I have asked in this thread and other threads on this topic for those who are against the striping to offer alternatives to make the MMPs safer. All I have received is....nothing...well not serious replies anyway. I have received a lot of criticism because I support the idea of improving the safety of the MMPs.

I will offer an answer. The MMP's are already safe. The problem lies with the drivers. All of the issues with drivers have been discussed. A fix will not be effective unless it targets and lessens (or eliminates) the problem.

[Polar Bear]

I will offer an answer. The MMP's are already safe. The problem lies with the drivers...

What a relief. The goal of 100% safe, perfect MMP's has finally been attained. No room for improvement left at all.

I feel so much better now.

[outlaw]

My contribution to MMP safety. I will not speed. I will not text or talk on the phone while operating my cart. I will keep my patience with drivers, bikers, walkers, etc. regardless. I will not drive my cart if I am on medication that discourages me from operating machinery. I will not get plastered at a local restaurant/bar then risk anyone's safety anywhere. And I HOPE that when and if the time comes that I can no longer operate my cart safely due to vision (day or night), physical or mental impairment, slow reaction time, etc. that I will have the sense to let someone else do the driving.
Most of the above isn't what I would do, but rather what I do. I think it goes along way for a safer MMP ride.

That's a good one. I like the "plastered" qualifier versus "drink".

[villagetinker]

My contribution to MMP safety. I will not speed. I will not text or talk on the phone while operating my cart. I will keep my patience with drivers, bikers, walkers, etc. regardless. I will not drive my cart if I am on medication that discourages me from operating machinery. I will not get plastered at a local restaurant/bar then risk anyone's safety anywhere. And I HOPE that when and if the time comes that I can no longer operate my cart safely due to vision (day or night), physical or mental impairment, slow reaction time, etc. that I will have the sense to let someone else do the driving.
Most of the above isn't what I would do, but rather what I do. I think it goes along way for a safer MMP ride.

Bagboy,
WELL SAID,:BigApplause::BigApplause: and I will add this goes to operating a car. Agree with you completely. My father in law, suffered from macular degeneration (lived in FL for almost 30 years), and realized he could not see well enough to drive, and turned in his license and keys. He is my role model, and I plan to do the same, when I have the same or similar problems. I could not live with myself, if I injured or killed someone under these circumstances.

[Xcuse]

Are you going to skating in the rain? Everyone keeps telling me what they wouldn't do. What would you do to improve the safety of the MMPs. I want a serious answer, not some comment like the "concrete barrier in the middle"? That does not add value to the disucssion.

I don't intentionally go skating in the rain. Other sources of dampness are dew and irrigation water and the possible sudden unexpected shower that I have been told occasionally happens in The Villages.

[outlaw]

My contribution to MMP safety. I will not speed. I will not text or talk on the phone while operating my cart. I will keep my patience with drivers, bikers, walkers, etc. regardless. I will not drive my cart if I am on medication that discourages me from operating machinery. I will not get plastered at a local restaurant/bar then risk anyone's safety anywhere. And I HOPE that when and if the time comes that I can no longer operate my cart safely due to vision (day or night), physical or mental impairment, slow reaction time, etc. that I will have the sense to let someone else do the driving.
Most of the above isn't what I would do, but rather what I do. I think it goes along way for a safer MMP ride.

I promise to slow down and look both ways at each stop sign before rolling through, and turn my turn signal off when I get to my destination, and try not to speed more than 3 or 4 mph over the speed limit if I see a police car.

[Challenger]

This discussion is usless until we have accurate statistics on MMP accidents. I have seen or heard none. The only accidents that we read about are car/cart.

I find at night there are a few(very few) spots where reflectors on the center line would be helpful.

[JoMar]

Are you going to skating in the rain? Everyone keeps telling me what they wouldn't do. What would you do to improve the safety of the MMPs. I want a serious answer, not some comment like the "concrete barrier in the middle"? That does not add value to the disucssion.

Difficult to answer your question since nobody has been killed or seriously injured on the MMP because of the path. (Not sure anyone has ever been killed on the MMP). Because striping the paths doesn't change behavior it's hard to understand why it would make a difference. There are reckless drivers on the4 MMP's just as there are on the highways and roadways. Cars still pass on solid lines, cut off cars when merging and run into people on motorcycles and bikes. And those roadways are striped.

[Polar Bear]

...Because striping the paths doesn't change behavior it's hard to understand why it would make a difference...
Why do people insist that a (potential) visibility issue is related to driver behavior? You mean a good driver can't benefit from improved visibility? I'll never understand this "logic".

[Xcuse]

Why do people insist that a (potential) visibility issue is related to driver behavior? You mean a good driver can't benefit from improved visibility? I'll never understand this "logic".

Not everyone using the MMP's is a driver. The MMP's are for the use of everyone no matter the mode of transportation.