Daily sun bias

[ureout]

I'm looking thru the paper this morning and I notice the story about the failed lawsuit against the developer. I think it's interesting that whenever there are crimes such as dui's, assaults, burglaries or thefts in stores mentioned in the paper it NEVER gives any names or addresses it just says a villager. This mornings article since it was a failed lawsuit against the developer not only does it give names they even put his picture in there.

[graciegirl]

It appears to me that the policy of the Sun was always to report the news but try not to embarrass or disturb the people who live in The Villages, which is different from the online news. By the way the online news is owned and run by the previous managing editor of the Sun.

I am glad that this issue is giving the details that one could expect from a newspaper.

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[golfing eagles]

I'm looking thru the paper this morning and I notice the story about the failed lawsuit against the developer. I think it's interesting that whenever there are crimes such as dui's, assaults, burglaries or thefts in stores mentioned in the paper it NEVER gives any names or addresses it just says a villager. This mornings article since it was a failed lawsuit against the developer not only does it give names they even put his picture in there.

Pales in comparison to the bias of the national news media. besides, that's why this is "the bubble"

[PennBF]

How sad that some actually cheer for others to be hurt. I kind of recall when others did not like this treatment in some papers, (not Daily Sun) but cheer when others get it. You can't make this stuff up! It's the kind of world we now must be living in !:(

[golfing eagles]

How sad that some actually cheer for others to be hurt. I kind of recall when others did not like this treatment in some papers, (not Daily Sun) but cheer when others get it. You can't make this stuff up! It's the kind of world we now must be living in !:(

Seriously???? This really is no different than any other paper, the OPs post is off the mark. Most papers do not print the names or pictures of victims of crimes, at least not without specific permission unless their identity was obvious from a PUBLIC incident. This resident brought a PUBLIC civil case, there's no ill-treatment in reporting the outcome, win or lose.

[theorem painter]

Seriously???? This really is no different than any other paper, the OPs post is off the mark. Most papers do not print the names or pictures of victims of crimes, at least not without specific permission unless their identity was obvious from a PUBLIC incident. This resident brought a PUBLIC civil case, there's no ill-treatment in reporting the outcome, win or lose.

I believe that the OP was referring to the naming of perpetrators of crime, not victims.

[ureout]

Seriously???? This really is no different than any other paper, the OPs post is off the mark. Most papers do not print the names or pictures of victims of crimes, at least not without specific permission unless their identity was obvious from a PUBLIC incident. This resident brought a PUBLIC civil case, there's no ill-treatment in reporting the outcome, win or lose.
Off the mark?.....you made my point....this newspaper NEVER publishes names let alone pictures of villagers in these types of stories....then why choose to do so in this article???

[golfing eagles]

Off the mark?.....you made my point....this newspaper NEVER publishes names let alone pictures of villagers in these types of stories....then why choose to do so in this article???

If you were referring to the perpetrators, not victims, my apology. I agree.

[outlaw]

Off the mark?.....you made my point....this newspaper NEVER publishes names let alone pictures of villagers in these types of stories....then why choose to do so in this article???

There are those who will never see the propaganda machine the developer has created. The Daily Sun is an example. I do subscribe, but I recognize the obvious bias. If a huge sinkhole opened up in the middle of Brownwood, I wouldn't be surprised if it was not even mentioned in this paper, or if it was, would be described as a water feature paid for by the developer to enhance the villager experience.

[graciegirl]

Off the mark?.....you made my point....this newspaper NEVER publishes names let alone pictures of villagers in these types of stories....then why choose to do so in this article???



I would guess that this news falls into a different category than drunk driving or shoplifting.


I certainly think that this news needs to be reported. There isn't anything about the article that I find incorrect or misleading. The Sun has always been pro developer and very conservative politically. It serves a largely conservative populace.


The Sun was conceived and owned by the Morses up until about four years ago when the business was sold to a person who I believe to be a friend of the developer, Phillip Markward, publisher.

It is widely known that the developer is a large contributor to the Republican Party as well.

[Villager Joyce]

There are those who will never see the propaganda machine the developer has created. The Daily Sun is an example. I do subscribe, but I recognize the obvious bias. If a huge sinkhole opened up in the middle of Brownwood, I wouldn't be surprised if it was not even mentioned in this paper, or if it was, would be described as a water feature paid for by the developer to enhance the villager experience.

I am NOT telling you to leave. I am NOT attacking you. I am just wondering why someone chooses to remain living in TV when he/she has such distaste for the propaganda machine.

[graciegirl]

There are those who will never see the propaganda machine the developer has created. The Daily Sun is an example. I do subscribe, but I recognize the obvious bias. If a huge sinkhole opened up in the middle of Brownwood, I wouldn't be surprised if it was not even mentioned in this paper, or if it was, would be described as a water feature paid for by the developer to enhance the villager experience.



Huge sinkholes have been photographed and written about in the Sun.


You have only been here about a year. No need to fuss, we now have the online news too.

[graciegirl]

How sad that some actually cheer for others to be hurt. I kind of recall when others did not like this treatment in some papers, (not Daily Sun) but cheer when others get it. You can't make this stuff up! It's the kind of world we now must be living in !:(


Are you talking about the online news that does name names and shows pictures?


We all read it, don't we? Maybe the drunk driving photograph's MIGHT make some social drinkers think a time or two before getting behind the wheel.


Some pictures do make us cringe. We react to crime in many ways. Most of us Villagers will not get our names and pictures in the news under crime, Thank Heavens.

[biker1]

Perhaps because he likes living here. The quality of the newspaper is pretty low on my list of what's important. For example, should someone not use the internet because of msn.com (a propaganda machine for the left)?

I am NOT telling you to leave. I am NOT attacking you. I am just wondering why someone chooses to remain living in TV when he/she has such distaste for the propaganda machine.

[HimandMe]

Newspapers have bias. When I lived in the north, I knew which paper to buy to get this or that viewpoint. It's not a surprise or something new. We are well aware of the Daily Sun and it's conservative happiness and other bent. T here are other papers readily available with different viewpoints and the daily doom and gloom report. Life is what it is. We choose what to focus on moment by moment including you.

[Villager Joyce]

Perhaps because he likes living here. The quality of the newspaper is pretty low on my list of what's important. For example, should someone not use the internet because of msn.com (a propaganda machine for the left)?

I appreciate your answering for someone else. Would still like to hear his answer. I could care less about the paper. I believe the poster I responded to has great disdain for the paper and the developer. That was why I posed the question to him.

[biker1]

Your question was actually rhetorical.

I appreciate your answering for someone else. Would still like to hear his answer. I could care less about the paper. I believe the poster I responded to has great disdain for the paper and the developer. That was why I posed the question to him.

[looneycat]

you are treating the sun as a newspaper, it is a daily sales tool for the developer and a way for residents to get event dates and coupons....nothing more.

[twoplanekid]

By reading both Fox News and CNN, one can see many different views on things. Is it the truth many times depends upon your perspective. I read that other online local Village news site which can't be mentioned here for a different view on things. I enjoy reading both!

[Taltarzac725]

In the Villages Daily Sun a lot of the serious cases involving various crimes in the Villages show the picture of the person accused and sometimes the address. Often they will just print the Village the defendant lives in and not the address.

Murders/attempted murders and suicides do often show the address or at least the Village.

All newspapers have some bias. I try to look at a large variety if I am interested in getting a better picture of the facts of some matter.

[Warren Kiefer]

There are those who will never see the propaganda machine the developer has created. The Daily Sun is an example. I do subscribe, but I recognize the obvious bias. If a huge sinkhole opened up in the middle of Brownwood, I wouldn't be surprised if it was not even mentioned in this paper, or if it was, would be described as a water feature paid for by the developer to enhance the villager experience.

I would like to pose a simple question concerning the Daily Sun. We all know that the POA has in fact taken on some issues that were settled in the favor of the Residents. Has any reader of the Daily Sun "EVER" read anything in the Daily Sun that complimented a positive effort of the POA.

[Christine G]

I think the Daily Sun is a very comprehensive reporter of news of any kind and in every area home and abroad, far superior to the daily paper in our former area which was so bad we did not buy it.

[justjim]

The Daily Sun is what it is. I read it everyday I'm in TV and enjoy it. Like many others I also read other newspapers mostly on-line. "I am a man of fixed and unbending principles, the first is to be flexible at all times". Anonymous

[PennBF]

It is critical to recognize the absolute lies being printed as opposed to the "TRUTH. In the Daily Sun today it was reported that 6 members of the POA and the attorney's received $7M dollars from the $40M awarded in the last Lawsuit where the Developer got caught with his hands in the Cooker Jar.
How many read that lie and believed that 6 were equal partners in the $7M awarded by the courts ? I will bet a lot actually believed that and that is the way Tutt and the Daily Sun wanted you to believe it. Well the truth the Courts awarded $7M to the Attorneys and ZERO to the 6 who devoted their time and personal funds so the Historical Section could have a good Paradise Rec Center and the assurance the Developer would have to maintain additional Villages property by ordering $40M penalty. The attorney's split $6.7M among themselves and provided $300K to the 6 ($50K per) in order to repay some of the monies they personally invested to help the Historical District, et al and to help pay for some of their time spent on the problem(s). That was at the discretion of the Attorney's with no expectation by the 6!
NOW DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE 6 WERE PART OF A $7m SPLIT LIKE THE DAILY SUN AND TUTT WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE. IT IS OUTRAGES AND DISHONEST TO USE ANY METHOD POSSIBLE NOT EVEN SHORT OF A LIE TO TRY TO DESTROY THE POA. IT IS DISGUSTING. TO ADD TO THIS THEY WENT ON TO SAY THE POA WAS AFTER MONEY IN THE LATEST LAWSUIT. TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND SEE ANYWHERE THE POA WAS TO BE PAID ANYTHING.. JUST PLAIN LIES. :rant-rave:

[Jima64]

I'm looking thru the paper this morning and I notice the story about the failed lawsuit against the developer. I think it's interesting that whenever there are crimes such as dui's, assaults, burglaries or thefts in stores mentioned in the paper it NEVER gives any names or addresses it just says a villager. This mornings article since it was a failed lawsuit against the developer not only does it give names they even put his picture in there.

I am curious why you need to know the address of a village criminal? Wouldn't the name and village be enough? I do agree that a picture and name would be helpful.

[golfing eagles]

I am curious why you need to know the address of a village criminal? Wouldn't the name and village be enough? I do agree that a picture and name would be helpful.

Better yet, why pay for a newspaper that you think is biased. It's kind of like liberals watching fox news

[TheVillageChicken]

I get all my news from the National Enquirer. Where else will you hear that Dr Phil is getting divorced and Hillary has brain cancer?

[CFrance]

I get all my news from the National Enquirer. Where else will you hear that Dr Phil is getting divorced and Hillary has brain cancer?
Or Donald Trump has no brain at all, just a mouth...

[golfing eagles]

Or Donald Trump has no brain at all, just a mouth...

Yes, but as a world class neurosurgeon, Ben Carson can surgically replace his brain

[CFrance]

Yes, but as a world class neurosurgeon, Ben Carson can surgically replace his brain
:a20:

[graciegirl]

It is critical to recognize the absolute lies being printed as opposed to the "TRUTH. In the Daily Sun today it was reported that 6 members of the POA and the attorney's received $7M dollars from the $40M awarded in the last Lawsuit where the Developer got caught with his hands in the Cooker Jar.
How many read that lie and believed that 6 were equal partners in the $7M awarded by the courts ? I will bet a lot actually believed that and that is the way Tutt and the Daily Sun wanted you to believe it. Well the truth the Courts awarded $7M to the Attorneys and ZERO to the 6 who devoted their time and personal funds so the Historical Section could have a good Paradise Rec Center and the assurance the Developer would have to maintain additional Villages property by ordering $40M penalty. The attorney's split $6.7M among themselves and provided $300K to the 6 ($50K per) in order to repay some of the monies they personally invested to help the Historical District, et al and to help pay for some of their time spent on the problem(s). That was at the discretion of the Attorney's with no expectation by the 6!
NOW DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE 6 WERE PART OF A $7m SPLIT LIKE THE DAILY SUN AND TUTT WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE. IT IS OUTRAGES AND DISHONEST TO USE ANY METHOD POSSIBLE NOT EVEN SHORT OF A LIE TO TRY TO DESTROY THE POA. IT IS DISGUSTING. TO ADD TO THIS THEY WENT ON TO SAY THE POA WAS AFTER MONEY IN THE LATEST LAWSUIT. TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND SEE ANYWHERE THE POA WAS TO BE PAID ANYTHING.. JUST PLAIN LIES. :rant-rave:


Here is what the Orlando Sentinel said about it in March of 2007.
You will see who was paid what.
Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/lvillages09_1_villages-fees-lawyer)

As far as I can perceive the developer didn't have his hands in any cookie jar. Everything was well maintained as far as I could see. And continues to be.

[biker1]

It could be that the amenities are now well maintained because of the success of the lawsuit. The mold cited in the article doesn't sound like particularly good maintenance to me.

Here is what the Orlando Sentinel said about it in March of 2007.
You will see who was paid what.
Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/lvillages09_1_villages-fees-lawyer)

As far as I can perceive the developer didn't have his hands in any cookie jar. Everything was well maintained as far as I could see. And continues to be.

[joldnol]

Just accept that it is biased. They run a column on climate change and then publish an AP article two pages later that scientifically refutes their position. Their sports department writes with a big ten bias and they think they live in Ohio or Michigan. Gotta love it Can't beat the price for the coupons and TV happenings however so get your news from real sources.

[Mleeja]

It is critical to recognize the absolute lies being printed as opposed to the "TRUTH. In the Daily Sun today it was reported that 6 members of the POA and the attorney's received $7M dollars from the $40M awarded in the last Lawsuit where the Developer got caught with his hands in the Cooker Jar.
How many read that lie and believed that 6 were equal partners in the $7M awarded by the courts ? I will bet a lot actually believed that and that is the way Tutt and the Daily Sun wanted you to believe it. Well the truth the Courts awarded $7M to the Attorneys and ZERO to the 6 who devoted their time and personal funds so the Historical Section could have a good Paradise Rec Center and the assurance the Developer would have to maintain additional Villages property by ordering $40M penalty. The attorney's split $6.7M among themselves and provided $300K to the 6 ($50K per) in order to repay some of the monies they personally invested to help the Historical District, et al and to help pay for some of their time spent on the problem(s). That was at the discretion of the Attorney's with no expectation by the 6!
NOW DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE 6 WERE PART OF A $7m SPLIT LIKE THE DAILY SUN AND TUTT WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE. IT IS OUTRAGES AND DISHONEST TO USE ANY METHOD POSSIBLE NOT EVEN SHORT OF A LIE TO TRY TO DESTROY THE POA. IT IS DISGUSTING. TO ADD TO THIS THEY WENT ON TO SAY THE POA WAS AFTER MONEY IN THE LATEST LAWSUIT. TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND SEE ANYWHERE THE POA WAS TO BE PAID ANYTHING.. JUST PLAIN LIES. :rant-rave:

Supporters of the POA keep rewriting history to fit their current narrative. The settlement included a payment to the named defendants in the suit. There was no “good will of the attorneys” to share some of the award. I have copied the section of the lawsuit settlement notice detailing the payments. This information was obtained from the POA’s own website!

“Attorney’s Fees and Incentive Award – VLS shall also pay to the plaintiff class $6,700,000 for attorney’s fees, $300,000 for incentive awards to the plaintiff’s Class Representatives, and $6,000 to Anderson & Anderson, P.A. for cost reimbursement.” (emphasis added)

Now that we have the correct facts about payment of the original lawsuit, let’s talk about the most recent lawsuit. Here is the disservice the POA has done to the residents of The Villages and the POA members.

1. As stated in the article in the DS, The Villages could not refinance the bonds while the class action lawsuit was pending. This has now required The Villages to pay a higher interest rate on the bonds.
2. The Villages is eating over $300,000 in legal fees expended to fight the latest lawsuit. We, the residents, are not getting this back.
3. The POA funded the current lawsuit. This means the dues of the members paid $40,000 to The Villages as part of the settlement. What we have not seen, and no one associated with the POA will answer is how much more they paid in legal fees to their attorneys.

If I was a POA member, and I am not, I would be demanding to know a full accounting of how much this lawsuit cost. This is what you want your POA dues going towards?

[Big O]

Here is what the Orlando Sentinel said about it in March of 2007.
You will see who was paid what.
Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/lvillages09_1_villages-fees-lawyer)

As far as I can perceive the developer didn't have his hands in any cookie jar. Everything was well maintained as far as I could see. And continues to be.

Gracie, don't cornfuse them with the facts. If the Sun is printing lies, make them retract them, if not, quit yer bitchin.

[rubicon]

This forum will never have an objective conversation about The villages, the Daily sun, the POA or the VHA or anything remotely connected to the aforementioned because its the Hatfield and McCoy mentality again

The rationale is simply a marketing concept. If TVLSI marketing convinced you as a customer that buying into this community was buying value then you will in turn market TVLSI brand and remain a loyal consumer. If marketing did not and somewhere along the way you as a resident felt that you received less then you expected then you won't market the TVLSI brand. When two people operate on different philosophical levels they will just never agree.

So here we are again with "Is so"�s not" �s so""Is not"..............

Personal Best Regards

[TheVillageChicken]

There are a lot of folks who believe in the dogma of Poapal Infallibility.

[Big O]

There are a lot of folks who believe in the dogma of Poapal Infallibility.

And there are folks that when presented with the facts will insist ad nauseum, that two plus two equals three.

[PennBF]

1. As shown in prior notes: The 6 who put up their own money in order to win the $40M for the residents and make the Developer live up to his promises only received $50K per and anything else is a lie. Including the statement by Tutt and printed in the Daily Sun. The $6.7M went to the Attorneys. Of course there was no mention of their putting up some of their own money to help the residents in the historical district and portions of the $50K were paybacks for their personal investments.
2. The latest suit would not have provided any money to the ones who backed it to help the residents. Anything else said was a lie.
It's good to remember: The truth only hurts for awhile but a lie lasts forever.:confused:

[TheVillageChicken]

And there are folks that when presented with the facts will insist ad nauseum, that two plus two equals three.

Including esteemed mathematicians working in the field of subadditivity.

[Shimpy]

Their sports department writes with a big ten bias and they think they live in Ohio or Michigan.

BOY, you can say that again. Also they never heard of college baseball even though 3 teams in this state, Miami, Fla. State, and Florida are always ranked near the top. I have to go to internet to get baseball scores.

[dbussone]

Including esteemed mathematicians working in the field of subadditivity.


Say what? I love to learn VC please explain.

[simpkinp]

As far as teams in this state, they favor The Univerity of Florida and ignore Florida State and the University of Miami. I contacted someone with the paper and asked why and they said "because Florida the "local team". Really? They have not exactly been outstanding the last few years, but more importantly, there are fans here from all over the country. Feature the winners, but also report on those who are struggling. What about the PAC 12? The Big 12? The ACC? The AAC? The FCS teams? Villagers are from all over and teams should all be covered. Whew, I feel better now.

[CassieInVa]

I lovingly call it the Stepford paper � LOL only the best and cheeriest news inside our bubble. But it's okay, because I know where to go to find the not so good news if I need to.

[outlaw]

Here is what the Orlando Sentinel said about it in March of 2007.
You will see who was paid what.
Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/lvillages09_1_villages-fees-lawyer)

As far as I can perceive the developer didn't have his hands in any cookie jar. Everything was well maintained as far as I could see. And continues to be.

You need to get your eyes checked...

[outlaw]

Better yet, why pay for a newspaper that you think is biased. It's kind of like liberals watching fox news

You know of a newspaper that isn't biased?

[jnieman]

I lovingly call it the Stepford paper � LOL only the best and cheeriest news inside our bubble. But it's okay, because I know where to go to find the not so good news if I need to.

I kind of compare it to the newspaper you get under your door when you go on a cruise. You get tidbits of news around the ship and the daily activities. If you want major news you may want to subscribe to a major city newspaper.

[outlaw]

This forum will never have an objective conversation about The villages, the Daily sun, the POA or the VHA or anything remotely connected to the aforementioned because its the Hatfield and McCoy mentality again

The rationale is simply a marketing concept. If TVLSI marketing convinced you as a customer that buying into this community was buying value then you will in turn market TVLSI brand and remain a loyal consumer. If marketing did not and somewhere along the way you as a resident felt that you received less then you expected then you won't market the TVLSI brand. When two people operate on different philosophical levels they will just never agree.

So here we are again with "Is so"�s not" �s so""Is not"..............

Personal Best Regards

Somewhere along the line you left out the matter of truth. Your argument is like saying objective discussions about Jonestown or Scientology can never happen because both sides are biased. No. There is the obvious truth. And then there are the koolaid drinkers. Does anyone really believe, had the developer done nothing wrong, he would have SETTLED for $40M payout? I mean, come on. It's becoming laughable.

[Bogie Shooter]

Somewhere along the line you left out the matter of truth. Your argument is like saying objective discussions about Jonestown or Scientology can never happen because both sides are biased. No. There is the obvious truth. And then there are the koolaid drinkers. Does anyone really believe, had the developer done nothing wrong, he would have SETTLED for $40M payout? I mean, come on. It's becoming laughable.

Did you really just move to The Villages in October 2014?

[outlaw]

Did you really just move to The Villages in October 2014?

Some of us catch on quicker than others.

[graciegirl]

You need to get your eyes checked...





I have been here for nine years now. When we lived adjacent to the Odell rec center, I watched them paint the buildings and structures on that property every year. I watched them powerwash the stone fence between our property and Odell. I watched them weed the foundation plantings by the wall and trim them.


As I drive my golf cart just last week, I noticed them repairing a fence that someone drove into and knocked the railing out. I have been watching them remove older manufactured homes in the historic area and replace them with new homes. They paid close to 100k for many and are selling them for 200K. Not really the usual margin. I have watched them see that the common areas are trimmed and weeded and pine straw is added regularly and I see clean streets and areas every day. Pristinely clean. Cleaner than any place I have ever lived or visited. . I have seen the kinds of things they place in new rec centers. Not the usual folding chairs but nicely solid chairs that have been upholstered to match the d�cor, along with expensive and beautiful furniture and accessories that they could have done much cheaper. I could go on and on. No one needed to sue them to MAKE them care for this place and run it smoothly.


I see your "you need to get your eyes checked" and I offer....Your mother dresses you funny.

[Bogie Shooter]

:BigApplause:

[manaboutown]

Being well aware of its promotional mission I enjoy reading the Daily Sun. I am in tune with its editorial content and enjoy the happy news. There is not much of that around these days.

[Warren Kiefer]

It is critical to recognize the absolute lies being printed as opposed to the "TRUTH. In the Daily Sun today it was reported that 6 members of the POA and the attorney's received $7M dollars from the $40M awarded in the last Lawsuit where the Developer got caught with his hands in the Cooker Jar.
How many read that lie and believed that 6 were equal partners in the $7M awarded by the courts ? I will bet a lot actually believed that and that is the way Tutt and the Daily Sun wanted you to believe it. Well the truth the Courts awarded $7M to the Attorneys and ZERO to the 6 who devoted their time and personal funds so the Historical Section could have a good Paradise Rec Center and the assurance the Developer would have to maintain additional Villages property by ordering $40M penalty. The attorney's split $6.7M among themselves and provided $300K to the 6 ($50K per) in order to repay some of the monies they personally invested to help the Historical District, et al and to help pay for some of their time spent on the problem(s). That was at the discretion of the Attorney's with no expectation by the 6!
NOW DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE 6 WERE PART OF A $7m SPLIT LIKE THE DAILY SUN AND TUTT WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE. IT IS OUTRAGES AND DISHONEST TO USE ANY METHOD POSSIBLE NOT EVEN SHORT OF A LIE TO TRY TO DESTROY THE POA. IT IS DISGUSTING. TO ADD TO THIS THEY WENT ON TO SAY THE POA WAS AFTER MONEY IN THE LATEST LAWSUIT. TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND SEE ANYWHERE THE POA WAS TO BE PAID ANYTHING.. JUST PLAIN LIES. :rant-rave:

AT LEAST THERE ARE TWO OF US WHO UNDERSTAND HOW THE SETTLEMENT WAS HANDLED. BUT, I WOULD BET THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE READERS STILL BELIEVE THE POA MEMBERS GOT SUPER RICH THRU THE SETTLEMENT AND THIS IS THE REASON THEY FILED THE LATEST LAW SUIT.:BigApplause:
THANKS PENN FOR GETTING IT RIGHT !!!!

[Warren Kiefer]

here is what the orlando sentinel said about it in march of 2007.
You will see who was paid what.
villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/lvillages09_1_villages-fees-lawyer)

as far as i can perceive the developer didn't have his hands in any cookie jar. Everything was well maintained as far as i could see. And continues to be.

so are saying the developer wnted to play santa and give us a gift of 40,000,000. Your'e kidding right ???

[graciegirl]

so are saying the developer wnted to play santa and give us a gift of 40,000,000. Your'e kidding right ???





What I am saying Warren, is that that nice Republican man, Gary Morse, would probably have done if he weren't sued would be to keep things nice like he had been doing. Even if he was as mean as a snake, it benefited his business to maintain the whole shebang well and keep his customers happy.


Now can you explain just what you think this last law suit was about?

[PennBF]

Did you know the settlement contained a "non-disparagement" clause and the Developer, Plaintiff and Attorneys were NOT to disparage the Settlement per the COURT ORDER. Sounds good right. Woa, stop a minute. Who was left out of the list? The Village manager/voice of the Developer which is Ms Tutt. She was the one who totally disparaged the settlement in the Daily Sun and the one that forced the POA to respond to the attacks and her (Tutt's) disparagement of the agreement. That should say a lot about the Managers ethics. Ms Tutt could not wait to disparage the agreement since the Developer could not.
Does anyone doubt who helped her to put together the attack in the Sun. Terrible way to disrespect the residents by circumventing the Court Order's and go right to "disparagement" which was living up to the letter of the law but ignoring the "spirit" of the law.:grumpy:

[goodtimesintv]

Who ever proclaimed that everybody here has to buy the Daily Sun????

I got it for a year or so and then decided to suspend it because it gets to be redundant. It's no more biased than any other newspaper of a city this size. It's funny when people LIKE "bias" when the bias leans toward their own bias!

When I want to know the nightly Entertainment on the Squares, I look under the Lifestyle menu of thevillages.com

When I want to know the Recreation Schedule in the Sun pullout section weekly, I go to the online version of it at the Sun or at districtgov.org >Departments>Recreation ......etc.......

[outlaw]

What I am saying Warren, is that that nice Republican man, Gary Morse, would probably have done if he weren't sued would be to keep things nice like he had been doing. Even if he was as mean as a snake, it benefited his business to maintain the whole shebang well and keep his customers happy.


Now can you explain just what you think this last law suit was about?

A businessman that coughs up $40M in a settlement is either guilty of something or isn't much of a businessman. And most think he was a pretty smart businessman.

[jjdees]

Reading the Sun is a pleasure after being subjected to rags like the Atlanta Journal and others who are so liberally biased that you want to burn the paper before you leave page one and then when you get to page two you really get upset. The lies through omission are there constantly and the printing as facts items that are not factual gets old. The Sun may be slanted in the other direction but they are part of a small minority.

[mickey100]

Somewhere along the line you left out the matter of truth. Your argument is like saying objective discussions about Jonestown or Scientology can never happen because both sides are biased. No. There is the obvious truth. And then there are the koolaid drinkers. Does anyone really believe, had the developer done nothing wrong, he would have SETTLED for $40M payout? I mean, come on. It's becoming laughable.

:BigApplause:

[biker1]

I realize that you believe it is your mission in life to defend the developer at all costs. The developer(s) is a big boy(s)/girls(s) and can defend themselves.

What I am saying Warren, is that that nice Republican man, Gary Morse, would probably have done if he weren't sued would be to keep things nice like he had been doing. Even if he was as mean as a snake, it benefited his business to maintain the whole shebang well and keep his customers happy.


Now can you explain just what you think this last law suit was about?

[graciegirl]

I realize that you believe it is your mission in life to defend the developer at all costs. The developer(s) is a big boy(s)/girls(s) and can defend themselves.



The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.

[biker1]

Yes, I get all that and I like living here also. However, people are entitled to their opinion and you jump all over anyone who doesn't drink the Koolaid. Consider that hearing the same old/same old gets tired after the nth iteration. In a public forum, people can certainly subject others to their opinion. Consider the fact that we know your opinion and you don't have to keep repeating it. Just sayin ...

The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.

[golfing eagles]

The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.

:BigApplause:

Besides, It's the Daily Sun, not the NY Times. Why can't we just accept it for what it is. Biased or not, the VDS does not have a news monopoly, some are making it out to be a publication of Joseph Goebbels, Inc.

[outlaw]

The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.

OK. This is starting to get creepy....:smiley:

[Bogie Shooter]

OK. This is starting to get creepy....:smiley:

That's what I thought about the lynching crew on the tree cutting thread.

[outlaw]

That's what I thought about the lynching crew on the tree cutting thread.

Uh oh. You had to bring that up...

[joldnol]

:BigApplause:

Besides, It's the Daily Sun, not the NY Times. Why can't we just accept it for what it is. Biased or not, the VDS does not have a news monopoly, some are making it out to be a publication of Joseph Goebbels, Inc.

nope, that honor belongs to Fox

[biker1]

WTF? Time to close this thread as inanity has taken control.

nope, that honor belongs to Fox

[Polar Bear]

And what, pray tell, is your problem?

I didn't see a problem...just a very legitimate question.

[dbussone]

The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.


Amen. Amen. Amen. And you can repeat yourself on this topic as often as you wish. I enjoy being part of the cheering squad for this place and the family that built it.