PROUD AMERICAN!!!!

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I don't really need to say a whole lot here....as I am sure everyone else will....but tonight's DNC speech by Obama was INCREDIBLE!!!

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Man, there were some real stem-winders during that four-day convention. I'll be watching to see how the GOP counters next week. It'll be interesting to see how John McCain tries to separate himself from the eight-year Bush administration, but still tries to maintain conservative principles while countering Obama. Unlike an overtime football game, it might not work out to the GOP advantage to have had the Democrats "go first". But we'll see.

I'll be particularly interested whether they can line up speakers for their four-day affair that are as effective as the lineup the Dems put up.

How in the world did Al Gore ever lose to George Bush anyway? He was terrific tonight. As I recall he was "wooden" and had no personality eight years ago. Tonight he was very effective, I thought.

We still need a whole lot more detail from both candidates before Election Day, though.

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Senator Obama took the gloves off! YEAH! This was a historical night, indeed. IMHO he hit every point from the past and every point yet to come. He certainly took the wind out of McCain's sails. Again, I can't wait for the debates. The speech tonight was the one, two punch. The debates will be the knockout!

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How in the world did Al Gore ever lose to George Bush anyway? He was terrific tonight. As I recall he was "wooden" and had no personality eight years ago. Tonight he was very effective, I thought.


You know I was thinking about how great he was too. And asked myself the same question....and here is what self answered back.

"Ofcourse he seemed boring after good old Bill! We had 8 yeats of Bill Clinton....the ultimate speaker! Poor Al never had a chance....but he has come a long way....winning an Oscar, etc!"

I thought that was pretty good insight so I thought I might share with you Kahuna!

He did a great job last night!

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We have a lot of things that need to be fixed in this country. I hope that one of the candidates has the leadership capabilities to direct efforts towards the oil crisis, the trade crisis, the war, and the economy not necessarily in that order. Being at times a liberal, other times a moderate and a fiscal conservative at all times, I think our problems are going to need the combined efforts of both parties and all people.

I don't know who I will vote for.

I have just written something in the political forum. I have completely been taken over by TOTV. OMIGOD.

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We have a lot of things that need to be fixed in this country. I hope that one of the candidates has the leadership capabilities to direct efforts towards the oil crisis, the trade crisis, the war, and the economy not necessarily in that order. Being at times a liberal, other times a moderate and a fiscal conservative at all times, I think our problems are going to need the combined efforts of both parties and all people.

I don't know who I will vote for.

I have just written something in the political forum. I have completely been taken over by TOTV. OMIGOD.

ME too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I am a "proud American" too. Proud that we finally have an All American ticket for which to vote in November. NO MORE questions about change, we are going to have it. McCain/Palin in November!

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What kind of code is an "American ticket"?

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All American ticket! What does that mean? My husband's mother came from Ireland.

Would that disqualify him from being on an "All American ticket"?

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What kind of code is an "American ticket"?


No code to it. Obama is a globalist/multiculturalist with a vast and varied array of colorful and not so American friendly associates, not to mention Davis, his Communist mentor and other friends with terrorist connections.
Obama is a very insecure person with a severe complex that stems from his African father's abandonment of him. At the same time, he is a hater of white people, this stems from his connections with his black grandparents and parents Luo tribe in Africa. This we do not need or want as our President. There is a hidden agenda, read all you can about him and you will find it unbelieveable, if you are a true American.
I can't believe there are a handful of so called Americans who would vote for the guy, he is so un-American.

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If black folks born and raised in the USA call themselves African American.....what are white folks born here in the USA called? Spanish American? Italian American? French American?

I find the much simpler, unifying term of....American...more defining of the born here citizenry.

BTK

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No code to it. Obama is a globalist/multiculturalist with a vast and varied array of colorful and not so American friendly associates, not to mention Davis, his Communist mentor and other friends with terrorist connections.
Obama is a very insecure person with a severe complex that stems from his African father's abandonment of him. At the same time, he is a hater of white people, this stems from his connections with his black grandparents and parents Luo tribe in Africa. This we do not need or want as our President. There is a hidden agenda, read all you can about him and you will find it unbelieveable, if you are a true American.
I can't believe there are a handful of so called Americans who would vote for the guy, he is so un-American.



Sorry, but I find this to be a completely racist statement. Also, like to point out "A handful of Americans" Over 100,000 people will go out of their way to here him speak. Today, McCain had to bus in people to try to fill a high school gym. I think you're going to find more than your "handful" coming out on Nov 4th to make Senator Obama the next President of the United States. I will vote for him and yes, sid, I am a true American.

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Sorry, but I find this to be a completely racist statement. Also, like to point out "A handful of Americans" Over 100,000 people will go out of their way to here him speak. Today, McCain had to bus in people to try to fill a high school gym. I think you're going to find more than your "handful" coming out on Nov 4th to make Senator Obama the next President of the United States. I will vote for him and yes, sid, I am a true American.


Thank you Chelsea...I can't beleive that we have to listen to racist comments like this. It is the year 2008....don't you think it is time for everyone to grow up. Color of skin just doesn't matter anymore. There are many white people in this world that are that are much less educated then Obama and still think they are superior. After seeing the crowd in Denver I would agree that there are certainly more than a handful of people voting for him...I will be in line~!!

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I can't believe you just posted that. It was racist and ugly. I am so not inviting you to my birthday party.

I fear that many white men on the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder are very resentful of his education, class, success, etc. What a shame. I think he took out huge loans to pay for his education. Most of us make our choices in life. He made the right one.

You said "Obama is a very insecure person with a severe complex that stems from his African father's abandonment of him." Gee, how do you know that? Do you hang with him??




No code to it. Obama is a globalist/multiculturalist with a vast and varied array of colorful and not so American friendly associates, not to mention Davis, his Communist mentor and other friends with terrorist connections.
Obama is a very insecure person with a severe complex that stems from his African father's abandonment of him. At the same time, he is a hater of white people, this stems from his connections with his black grandparents and parents Luo tribe in Africa. This we do not need or want as our President. There is a hidden agenda, read all you can about him and you will find it unbelieveable, if you are a true American.
I can't believe there are a handful of so called Americans who would vote for the guy, he is so un-American.

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While I do not condone racist remarks in any way,wondering why you folks who are expressing disgust with this comment dont do the same with the AGE comments or the various comments about Gov Palin...I just read a poem making fun of age and such and it recevied kudos !!!

Just wondering !

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Bucco, Most younger people make fun of us older people. Heck, we make fun of us older people. ;D. The payback to the young folks is they'll be old before they know it!

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You are all entitled to your opinions about what ever YOU measure with and then put my question in it that suits your interpretation. But, please, do allow you may be wrong!!!!!!!

Too many these days are much too quick to read between the lines or judge based on their PC quotient (I have no use for PC as it hides the truth) or some other influential bias.

I wonder....if I had asked if an American born person had European lineage, lets say Germany...would a question about why would such a person refer themselves as German American be considered as racist....I seriously doubt it.

I find there are way to many folks these days who are totally and completely incapable of fielding ANY question at face value. :dontknow:

Since I am the one who asked the question....only I can assure you the question was not intended to be racist? Race was not even a considerat in in my thoughts....thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think what ever keeps your metabolism perking.

BTK ;D

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Bucco, Most younger people make fun of us older people. Heck, we make fun of us older people. . The payback to the young folks is they'll be old before they know it!
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So in your mind this makes it ok ? Please allow a list of those things we can make fun of in our Presidential candidates so we know.

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billie I too couldn't figure out why your statement was racist. Personally I'm tired of all the hyphenated Americans. Aren't we all Americans, period??

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No code to it. Obama is a globalist/multiculturalist with a vast and varied array of colorful and not so American friendly associates, not to mention Davis, his Communist mentor and other friends with terrorist connections.
Obama is a very insecure person with a severe complex that stems from his African father's abandonment of him. At the same time, he is a hater of white people, this stems from his connections with his black grandparents and parents Luo tribe in Africa. This we do not need or want as our President. There is a hidden agenda, read all you can about him and you will find it unbelievable, if you are a true American.
I can't believe there are a handful of so called Americans who would vote for the guy, he is so un-American.


Please read this statement again and tell me where and how it is not racist. "he is a hater of white people, stems from his connections with his black grandparents and parents Luo tribe in Africa."

As far as "old is concerned, Bucco, sorry but this is an issue. Especially now that he's named a "hockey mom" as successor as the world's most powerful leader in the world. That's a joke. I don't care how people try to spin it. McCain is 72 years old and has had cancer on 4 different occasions. Get a grip.

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I'm laughing at sid's comment regarding the "All American" ticket. For heaven's sake sid...don't you know that for it to be an "All American" ticket both candidates would need to be 100% direct descendants from our indigenous people?

Hmmm...McCain has Scots-Irish and English ancestry. Hmmm...Palin has English, Irish, and German ancestry.

sid...you need a history lesson!

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I've wondered occasionally if some people just sit at the computer and really stupid things come to them on the spur off the moment or if they sit and think as hard as they can to come up with dumb ideas and comments, collect these droppings, and then later log on dump them willy-nilly. It's not a quandary that has kept me up nights, but I have wondered.

(And no, BS, I'm not talking about you!)

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Sallie, I did not say BTK's statement were racist. I find his posts generally well thought out and presented.





billie I too couldn't figure out why your statement was racist. Personally I'm tired of all the hyphenated Americans. Aren't we all Americans, period??

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Please read this statement again and tell me where and how it is not racist. "he is a hater of white people, stems from his connections with his black grandparents and parents Luo tribe in Africa."

As far as "old is concerned, Bucco, sorry but this is an issue. Especially now that he's named a "hockey mom" as successor as the world's most powerful leader in the world. That's a joke. I don't care how people try to spin it. McCain is 72 years old and has had cancer on 4 different occasions. Get a grip.


It is obvious that I read more than this TOTV website. Everything I stated above and more is available for anyone to read themselves. I wish that you, chelsea24, would please stop the personal attacks when someone says something that you do not agree with. IT is very tacky.

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I can't believe you just posted that. It was racist and ugly. I am so not inviting you to my birthday party.

I fear that many white men on the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder are very resentful of his education, class, success, etc. What a shame. I think he took out huge loans to pay for his education. Most of us make our choices in life. He made the right one.

You said "Obama is a very insecure person with a severe complex that stems from his African father's abandonment of him." Gee, how do you know that? Do you hang with him??





No, I do not and would not "hang with him". I read, read and read some more to totally inform myself about candidates. I refuse to make comments and give opinions that are uneducated. Obviously, many people choose to do just that.
And no, Obama did not take out huge loans to pay for his education. His white grandparents worked and paid for his education. .

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Sorry, but I find this to be a completely racist statement. Also, like to point out "A handful of Americans" Over 100,000 people will go out of their way to here him speak. Today, McCain had to bus in people to try to fill a high school gym. I think you're going to find more than your "handful" coming out on Nov 4th to make Senator Obama the next President of the United States. I will vote for him and yes, sid, I am a true American.


Sorry to hear that you take everything you see and read personally. This is not at all a racist statement and wasn't meant to be. I am simply trying to educate those who are not as aware of some of Obama's issues that I have found thru reading many books and articles by those who have studied him. Good grief, is that so wrong?

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I'm laughing at sid's comment regarding the "All American" ticket. For heaven's sake sid...don't you know that for it to be an "All American" ticket both candidates would need to be 100% direct descendants from our indigenous people?

Hmmm...McCain has Scots-Irish and English ancestry. Hmmm...Palin has English, Irish, and German ancestry.

sid...you need a history lesson!


No, you need a language lesson. Haven't you ever heard of an All American football player, baseball player, etc.

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George Bush has been in office 71/2 years.

A little over a year ago;
consumer confidence was at a 21/2 year hi
gas was at 2.20
unemployment was 41/2%
Dow at 14,000
We were buying cars, taking cruises, onerseas vacations, living large

But Americans wanted change so in 2006 we voted in a Democratic Congress...We got CHANGE

consumer confidence plummeted
gas is near $ 4.00
unemployment is 5.6%
home equity has dropped over 12 trillion
foreclosures are at 1% of mortgages
the Dow is at 11,300

In 2006 we voted for change and we sure got it.
Now Obama promises more change...HOW MUCH MORE CHANGE CAN WE STAND?
Benj

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Well said, Benj. Congresses approval rating is much lower then Bush's.

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We can all read about the candidates until the cows come home and still know diddily squat. Writers have opinions also. As far as voting records go, there is usually so much crap written into every bill that it makes it impossible to know who voted for what..and I think that is done on purpose. Before you get on the soapbox for any candidate, how do you know for sure that what you are posting is even correct? Just because it was in a book, on TV, etc, does NOT make it fact. Ann Colter makes big bucks to sound like Ann Colter. Ditto for Bill-o, Keith O and the rest.

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I wish that you, chelsea24, would please stop the personal attacks when someone says something that you do not agree with.
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She pretty much slams everyone who does not "walk the walk" she wants...I have been told to "wake up"...."get a grip"and that I may need professional help and I have NEVER EVER even slammed here or her candidate.

Amazing that folks cannot resist doing this kind of cheap stuff !

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And no, Obama did not take out huge loans to pay for his education. His white grandparents worked and paid for his education. .


Ok so I am not sure that your comments earlier are something I would consider to be racist...I keep reading it over and over again....changing my mind....but I lean toward thinking they are....

However while you may not have intentionally meant to sound racist....the comment about his WHITE grandparents paying for it could also be taken as racist, even though it is just a fact...they were white...but I find the fact that you had to add in that one word "WHITE" made it sound a little racist.

It could have been said that his grandparents paid for it....does it really matter whether they were white or not?

Second: I don't know if the comment on his financial college payment is even all true...as he did say he had loans, scholarships and help from his grandparents. He stated on national television in front of millions of people....that he had student loans. Perhaps both of you are right....

I guess my point is that chels may have taken your comments as racist. I think you probably could ask 50 people if they thought it was and you may get mixed reviews. We are allowed to have our opinions....just like you are...but we are also allowed to disagree. Chels thought it was racist....she was offended and told you so. Period. Perhaps explaining some of your comments in a different fashion may help the situation. When discribing McCain his whole genetic make up is not brought up.

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Samhass You said you didn't say BTK's statement was racist, but your first sentence says, "I can't believe you posted that. It was racist and ugly."

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When discribing McCain his whole genetic make up is not brought up.
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EXACTLY...Sen McCain has been in the public eye for many many years. Sen Obama has no achievments to speak of and no public record, THUS his background, training, mentors etc have got to be an issue !

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When discribing McCain his whole genetic make up is not brought up.
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EXACTLY...Sen McCain has been in the public eye for many many years. Sen Obama has no achievments to speak of and no public record, THUS his background, training, mentors etc have got to be an issue !


I AGREE ....that we should hear all about him....but his genetic makeup has NOTHING to do with his ability or inability to run this country!!!!!

As far as McCain being in the public eye for many years...so what! Do you know how many politicians dem or repub have been in the public eye and we still hear things about them....that is not a valid reason to bring into anyone's geneological family history....who cares we he or anyone else is from....or what color they are....that was my point!!!

They don't refer to McCain or even Biden for that matter...as the White Man....

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I AGREE ....that we should hear all about him....
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Thanks...I have been told (on this board) that who trained him, who is mentors have been, who he has associated with is a non issue...I think it is an issue

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I AGREE ....that we should hear all about him....
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Thanks...I have been told (on this board) that who trained him, who is mentors have been, who he has associated with is a non issue...I think it is an issue



Perhaps you should have quoted my entire comment!! Please do not think I agree with most everything else you have to say. Do not take my words and twist them around...to make people think we think the same.

For the rest of the people reading this comment...please refer to my entire statement above. Those of you that know me...will have already done so...I am not too worried.

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I apologize if you feel I twisted your words....here is your entire post for the record
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"I AGREE ....that we should hear all about him....but his genetic makeup has NOTHING to do with his ability or inability to run this country!!!!!

As far as McCain being in the public eye for many years...so what! Do you know how many politicians dem or repub have been in the public eye and we still hear things about them....that is not a valid reason to bring into anyone's geneological family history....who cares we he or anyone else is from....or what color they are....that was my point!!!

They don't refer to McCain or even Biden for that matter...as the White Man...."
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Again sorry for thinking you said that "we should hear all about him"

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I apologize if you feel I twisted your words....here is your entire post for the record
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"I AGREE ....that we should hear all about him....but his genetic makeup has NOTHING to do with his ability or inability to run this country!!!!!

As far as McCain being in the public eye for many years...so what! Do you know how many politicians dem or repub have been in the public eye and we still hear things about them....that is not a valid reason to bring into anyone's genealogical family history....who cares we he or anyone else is from....or what color they are....that was my point!!!

They don't refer to McCain or even Biden for that matter...as the White Man...."
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Again sorry for thinking you said that "we should hear all about him"


We should hear all about HIM...not his color, race or creed!!!!

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Sally, Go back to my post. I quoted sid, not BTK.

Here is a copy of the whole post.

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Re: PROUD AMERICAN!!!!
I can't believe you just posted that. It was racist and ugly. I am so not inviting you to my birthday party.

I fear that many white men on the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder are very resentful of his education, class, success, etc. What a shame. I think he took out huge loans to pay for his education. Most of us make our choices in life. He made the right one.

You said "Obama is a very insecure person with a severe complex that stems from his African father's abandonment of him." Gee, how do you know that? Do you hang with him??



Quote from: sidbforever on Yesterday at 06:39:20 PM
No code to it. Obama is a globalist/multiculturalist with a vast and varied array of colorful and not so American friendly associates, not to mention Davis, his Communist mentor and other friends with terrorist connections.
Obama is a very insecure person with a severe complex that stems from his African father's abandonment of him. At the same time, he is a hater of white people, this stems from his connections with his black grandparents and parents Luo tribe in Africa. This we do not need or want as our President. There is a hidden agenda, read all you can about him and you will find it unbelieveable, if you are a true American.
I can't believe there are a handful of so called Americans who would vote for the guy, he is so un-American.
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Samhass You said you didn't say BTK's statement was racist, but your first sentence says, "I can't believe you posted that. It was racist and ugly."

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We should hear all about HIM...not his color, race or creed!!!!
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CASSIE...again I agree with you. That would include his training and his mentors and I have been advised on here that discussing that is not an issue !

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We should hear all about HIM...not his color, race or creed!!!!

Exactly !

And I would like to see Sen. Obama where he is in a true response scenario, rather than always being heavily scripted, well-rehearsed and teleprompter at the ready.

I have no idea on how Sen. Obama would respond to crises, as he has no documented history of having to deal with anything coming close to being a crisis. Sure, he gives great speeches, but so does James Earl Jones and George C. Scott - any good actor can! Where does the actor end and the man begin?

If Sen. Obama wants me to bet with my vote that he is the better man at times of crises, prove it! Anyone can drive a car in a straight line on a smooth road, but what happens when the potholes appear out of nowhere?

Sen. McCain, by virtue of a long life and several events, has proven his competency in times of crises. That's the tough part of being longer-in-the-tooth, that being having to face more bumps in the road, especially those not of life's choosing.

It is the candidate's job to prove their mettle, not mine to find out through research and analysis. They are the applicants for the job, coming to me, one of the folks on the national selection committee. My job is to get the most for my vote.

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There are some thoughtful posts in threads like this one, as well as some that are not only thoughtless and dumb, but hateful as well.

After having read almost all of them in all the "national" political threads, I've concluded that not one single person is going to change their mind on which candidate they intend to vote for in November as the result of these exchanges. That's notwithstanding many carefully researched and well-written messages. We all "read into" the facts what we wish. We all seem to have convinced ourselves of our choice and are abominably inept in changing even one other person's mind. Whether that's the fault of the antagonist of the debate or the protagonist, who knows?

All we're doing is wasting time and bandwidth with these arguments as well as aggravating (at best, at worst maybe enraging) our neighbors. Think about it--would we enter into these debates if we went out to dinner with friends or neighbors or people we met on the town square? Or are we simply empowered to say this stuff because of the security and disguise provided by screen names and the internet?

Why are we bothering? Why are we wasting our time?

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There are some thoughtful posts in threads like this one, as well as some that are not only thoughtless and dumb, but hateful as well.

After having read almost all of them in all the "national" political threads, I've concluded that not one single person is going to change their mind on which candidate they intend to vote for in November as the result of these exchanges. That's notwithstanding many carefully researched and well-written messages. We all "read into" the facts what we wish. We all seem to have convinced ourselves of our choice and are abominably inept in changing even one other person's mind. Whether that's the fault of the antagonist of the debate or the protagonist, who knows?

All we're doing is wasting time and bandwidth with these arguments as well as aggravating (at best, at worst maybe enraging) our neighbors. Think about it--would we enter into these debates if we went out to dinner with friends or neighbors or people we met on the town square? Or are we simply empowered to say this stuff because of the security and disguise provided by screen names and the internet?

Why are we bothering? Why are we wasting our time?

If the goal is to aggravate, insult, belittle or gloat, then it is indeed a waste of bandwidth.

If the goal is an intellectual exchange of opinions, with the realization that we are not all perfect, often wrong, but willing to try to understand the other person, what makes them think and tick, and what is important to someone other than ourselves, then the boards serve an invaluable purpose.

All of the above have happened, and whether the board goes from back-biting to brain-expanding depends on the intent of the writers.

We should be entering these boards agreeing that we may disagree more often than not, but that not agreeing does not mean negative feelings.

Personally, I'd like to sit down and split a good bottle of wine (or the spirit of choice) with just about everyone on this board, because for the most part they seem like a fun bunch. One thing is for sure - it wouldn't be boring....

A toast to all, and laissez les bon temps rouler!

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Wine sounds good Johnny....I am sure there are many here that feel the same about you!!!

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From my point of view I learn a lot from these exchanges. It has sent me to sites on the net I never had visited and I heard a few opinions that gave me pause for sure.

My problem is folks who do not share what they think...simply post something sent to them on the net and we all know about the validity of those sites. I can accept anything even if I dont agree if presented as the POSTERS VIEWS not the anti this or that stuff that surfaces and I cannot stand those who simply spread lies about any candidate of any party just for the sake of posting something negative about someone they oppose.

I like the thinking on things that the forum creates !