The Anthony woman

[samhass]

appears to have been arrested again. I think the woman is a sociopath and believe she has killed her daughter. She appears to be loving the attention.

[ejp52]

When her mother was asked about the lab confirming a dead body was in trunk,she said maybe police put body there while car was impounded. :edit: :(
Denial isn't just a river.

[graciegirl]

I will never live long enough to understand a situation like this. Beautiful little one. A mother who is either a sociopath or on drugs of some kind. A grandmother who must have known something. The mother didn't want that child. I don't know the answers. I don't even know the questions. It makes things that as a child I was taught as black and white now appear at times gray to me, such as abortion and capital punishment. I could not trust myself if I were alone in a room with that woman.

[samhass]

GG said "I could not trust myself if I were alone in a room with that woman."

Nor could I, Gracie. Maybe waterboarding does have it's place after all.

[thegreenerside]

I just find it interesting that the Duckett and Anthony cases are somewhat similar in regards to the mothers, and the ages of the children.

By the way the grandparents of Duckett, who live here in The Villages, are proceeding with the wrongful death suit against Nancy Grace. The judge is suppose to set the date for the trial sometime in the next few weeks.

[ejp52]

She is back in jail,was on 11 PM news.

[islandgal]

I think she should be taken out of isolation and put in situation where she would be surrounded by her "peers". We all know the child won't be found. The inmates would take care of the situation. "and now you know the rest of the story"

I apologize ..my rage is showing.

[Rokinronda]

I pray that beautiful child did not suffer. :'( I have so much to say, but will keep it short. I knew from day 1 there was foul play, lies and cover ups. The grandparents were media hounds without emotion?? How could they be so stoic in light of such a tragedy? Did they honestly believe their daughters lies?? Casey is where she belongs now and I say throw away the key. WIW, you are right, she does not deserve solitary.

[samhass]

I hope they throw the case against Nancy Grace out the window. Trenton Ducketts mother seemed to be just like Casey Anthony.





I just find it interesting that the Duckett and Anthony cases are somewhat similar in regards to the mothers, and the ages of the children.

By the way the grandparents of Duckett, who live here in The Villages, are proceeding with the wrongful death suit against Nancy Grace. The judge is suppose to set the date for the trial sometime in the next few weeks.

[Cassie325]

I do not understand this woman. First of all...even if there was some sort of accident and my child (or anyone elses for that matter) died because of something I did...lock me away...if it was my child I am not sure I would still be living myself! How she can go on acting the way she does, smiling and laughing and emailing friends and family...is beyond my wildest imagination.

I agree that there is something majorly wrong with her....I understand that in this country we are innocent until proven guilty....but she is not fighting for herself or daughter. She is not defending herself if she is innocent.

I also can not fathom why her parents are acting the way they are! If I did something or was suspected of doing something to my daughter....I would be more afraid of my parents then of the cops!!! They would hunt me down themselves....and they are typically very gentle people!

[Taltarzac]

I do not understand this woman. First of all...even if there was some sort of accident and my child (or anyone elses for that matter) died because of something I did...lock me away...if it was my child I am not sure I would still be living myself! How she can go on acting the way she does, smiling and laughing and emailing friends and family...is beyond my wildest imagination.

I agree that there is something majorly wrong with her....I understand that in this country we are innocent until proven guilty....but she is not fighting for herself or daughter. She is not defending herself if she is innocent.

I also can not fathom why her parents are acting the way they are! If I did something or was suspected of doing something to my daughter....I would be more afraid of my parents then of the cops!!! They would hunt me down themselves....and they are typically very gentle people!


This could be a family with its own secrets like child abuse against Caylee by whomever. Casey Anthony does look like someone with little response to what average people would find very traumatic. This could be a sign of a sociopath but it also may be the sign that she has been a victim herself of some kind of abuse.

The mother of Casey has been acting oddly as well.

I find this a possible scenario because of the deal that seems to be on the table for Casey Anthony.

[Cassie325]

Perhaps you are right....I hadn't thought of that...what is the deal on the table...I hadn't realized there was one yet.

[Taltarzac]

Perhaps you are right....I hadn't thought of that...what is the deal on the table...I hadn't realized there was one yet.


Here's a link. http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

[swrinfla]

The Caylee/Casey situation is, without a doubt, the most bizarre thing I've ever had to witness. It frustrates me no end that the evening news programs seem to have absolutely nothing else to talk about, not even the usually ever-prevailing rapes, murders, robberies, etc., that are rampant in the Orlando metropolitan area!

The comparisons to the Duckett case are inevitable, and with good reason, I think!

Maybe we should look on the bright side: there's less political news at 10m or 11pm!

:joke:

SWR

[Cassie325]

Here's a link. http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

Interesting....thanks!

[schotzyb]

Local Orlando news is airing that Caylee Anthony's remains have been found.04 mile from the Anthony home. How Sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[graciegirl]

We all knew this day would come. How very sad that darling Caylee was born to that family!

I think it also mirrors the Scott Peterson and mother situation. I know she lied for him and had already given two? children away before he was born. It is frightening to think that this sort of thing( lack of feeling and devious behavior and lack of guilt) is a genetic inheritable trait...perhaps.

[Barefoot]

I have been following this story on Nancy Grace with a great deal of sadness. Little three-year old Caylee was such an innocent, darling little baby. I was hoping against hope that they would find her alive.

The mother, Casey, has lied continually to the police throughout the last six months and has often changed her story. Casey has been in jail for some time now, charged with murder, even though they didn't have a body. Ironically, Casey's lawyer was successful this morning in getting the trial moved from January to March. Now the State will have more time to prepare their case against Casey, and this is a good thing.

Shortly later they found the bones of a young girl within one mile of the grandparent's home. The Forensics haven't verified yet that the bones found belong to Caylee, but it looks certain.

I am heartsick that a mother could do this to her baby. And leave her in a garbage bag in the trees. And continually lie to police and to everyone else about what happened. Casey has shown no remorse, and has always refused to co-operate with police. And her parents have defended her behavior.

What a sad, sad situation.

[Peazoup]

I also have been following this sad, sad story. From what I've heard, Casey had a fight with her mother shortly before leaving the family house with Caylee for the last time. My feeling is that Casey never wanted that baby and was fiercely jealous of the bond between baby and grandmother. Being that Casey is truly a sociopath, with no conscience, what better way to get even with her mother and at the same time, set herself free to party. She is such a selfish, self serving, thieving, lying young woman. I just don't understand why her parents seem to be almost afraid of her and handle her with kid gloves. They can't be that stupid to believe that their daughter is a sweet, innocent person. So very, very tragic - such a beautiful baby.

[Taltarzac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caylee_Anthony_disappearance

I cannot understand what kind of mother would do this to her child just so that she could go put and play with adult friends?

Probably very little chance that this is not Caylee Anthony unless someone planted the evidence there for the publicity. There is that problem in cases like this which get so much media attention. Some crazy gets it in his or her head to get in the action by claiming to be the perpetrator, planting evidence, or submitting false information to police and/or the media.

Sad turn of events though all in all whatever happens with the identification of the body.

[graciegirl]

I hope that they are "handling her with kid gloves' in order to get the truth.

I look at that adorable child and think how so many people would love to have children and .............

Sometimes I don't know what to pray.

[redwitch]

I truly feel sorry for Casey. She never wanted this little girl. Her mother forced her to bear it and then keep it. Casey is obviously mentally ill. She will probably not survive in prison even if kept in isolation. The odds are pretty good that someone will "take care" of her.

I truly believe that had this girl gotten help much, much earlier, this tragedy would have never occurred. Our mental health system truly stinks. We need to start accepting that mental disorders are diseases and treat them accordingly rather than treating the mentally ill as someone to avoid and be ashamed of. Bedlam was closed a long, long time ago. Mental disorders are treated much like cancer was 30-50 years ago -- you avoid the person because you're afraid you might catch it; you don't get treatment because there's no cure anyway; you don't tell people you have it because you then become an outcast. Our prisons are overwhelmed with "criminals" who have many mental disorders. Casey will just be another in a cast of many. Quite honestly, I think she may have inherited her illness from her mother -- she doesn't look nor act like someone in complete control, either. (And now I'm off my soapbox.)

[Taltarzac]

I truly feel sorry for Casey. She never wanted this little girl. Her mother forced her to bear it and then keep it. Casey is obviously mentally ill. She will probably not survive in prison even if kept in isolation. The odds are pretty good that someone will "take care" of her.

I truly believe that had this girl gotten help much, much earlier, this tragedy would have never occurred. Our mental health system truly stinks. We need to start accepting that mental disorders are diseases and treat them accordingly rather than treating the mentally ill as someone to avoid and be ashamed of. Bedlam was closed a long, long time ago. Mental disorders are treated much like cancer was 30-50 years ago -- you avoid the person because you're afraid you might catch it; you don't get treatment because there's no cure anyway; you don't tell people you have it because you then become an outcast. Our prisons are overwhelmed with "criminals" who have many mental disorders. Casey will just be another in a cast of many. Quite honestly, I think she may have inherited her illness from her mother -- she doesn't look nor act like someone in complete control, either. (And now I'm off my soapbox.)

Casey Anthony hardly strikes me as mentally ill, Redwitch. There is a big problem with the mental health system in the general public's lack of understanding of various mental diseases. This has not been at all helped by movies like A Beautiful Mind
and One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest and even to a lesser extend Changeling but Casey Anthony does not seem like someone with delusions of any kind except maybe the one which she can get away with just dumping her daughter's body out on the woods near her grandparents' home. She probably would have been caught up in her lies a long time ago if not for Tropical Storm Fay.

Fay covered up the area in the woods where the dead body was recently discovered near the Anthony's (grandparents') house.

The problem may be how much lawyers are seen by the general public abusing the mental health system to get their clients lesser sentences as well as when lawyers play mind games with labels of "mentally ill" in custody and divorce proceedings as well as probate matters.

[graciegirl]

Nor does she seem unstable. She seems to have been catered to and not shown the realities of life for a LONG time. She appears to me to feel entitled to live her life selfishly, although apparently forced, or ...pressured to give birth to Caylee Marie, a real person.

A lot of things happen that we don't plan, or want to happen. Religion says it is a test, but we all face choices every day, the religious and the non religious. I think that Casey Anthony is lacking in character and has no guilt. I don't know how you get guilt and we Catholics have too much I am told, but it is necessary to know that killing anyone is not right or moral or good or understandable.

She may be a sociopath. She may be spoiled. She may be misunderstood. But she is as guilty as Hell.

JUST MY humble opinion.

[rshoffer]

Casey Anthony hardly strikes me as mentally ill, Redwitch. There is a big problem with the mental health system in the general public's lack of understanding of various mental diseases. This has not been at all helped by movies like A Beautiful Mind
and One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest and even to a lesser extend Changeling but Casey Anthony does not seem like someone with delusions of any kind except maybe the one which she can get away with just dumping her daughter's body out on the woods near her grandparents' home. She probably would have been caught up in her lies a long time ago if not for Tropical Storm Fay.

Fay covered up the area in the woods where the dead body was recently discovered near the Anthony's (grandparents') house.

The problem may be how much lawyers are seen by the general public abusing the mental health system to get their clients lesser sentences as well as when lawyers play mind games with labels of "mentally ill" in custody and divorce proceedings as well as probate matters.Actually, "A Beautiful Mind" was a fairly accurate depiction of one's slide into the abyss of psychosis and the impact on one's family. Cuckoo's nest allowed Nicholson's genius to depict the plight of a personality disorder in the grips of abuses as they occurred in the state hospital system.

Maternal infanticide, fortunately a very rare event, typically involves a likewise rare but VERY dangerous and potentially lethal mental illness that occurs in the post-partum period. this is called post-partum psychosis. This is not post-partum blues or the clinical entity, post-partum depression. A mother with post-partum psychosis is delusional (complete loss of touch with reality) and typically has some crazed notion that she's given offspring to the devil, or that the child must be sacrificed etc. It requires immediate hospitalization and separation from the newborn/infant. Even more rare is the development of a psychotic illness after the post-partum period where the child again becomes incorporated into the delusional system of the mother and the mother kills the child while psychotic.

It seems fairly evident that Casey Anthony's level of functioning through this period of time was not influenced by a psychotic mental illness, since, if that were the case, her attorneys would have had an obligation to have her examined and her psychotic state addressed. Of course , it would be irresponsible to comment on her mental state without examining her and having all the history. One can only speculate.

So, for the moment, let's not talk about Casey Anthony, let's ask... what would make a NON-DELUSIONAL,NON-PSYCHOTIC mother kill her child? Probably the most common reason this occurs is due to the confluence of character pathology (immaturity, selfishness, greed, irresponsibility, narcissism, sociopathy) and often, substance abuse (drug/alcohol addiction) and an unwanted child. Often the child is killed and the intention was not to kill the child...eg: an immature, irresponsible,drug dependent sociopathic mother wants to go out and party and gives her 4 year old ambien and alcohol so they sleep through the night... only to return to find the child stopped breathing (a case for second degree murder)... Or, imagine someone with borderline intelligence, poor, no support system, who can barely take care of herself, no spouse, living alone with an infant who has cried days due to a severe ear infection and mom shakes the baby to death to get it to stop crying. (not a rare event). In 2004, The American Journal of Psychiatry did a nice review article on this subject, written by Margaret Spinelli, MD.
The killing of a child is so repugnant and horrific that it demands retribution. We will all get to watch as the law now determines the course of this story.

[Best Mom]

rshoffer,
Great post.

Now could you explain the grandparents? (especially the mom). Some serious disfunction in that family...and they love the media. How do you raise a daughter that turns out like that? Have they been in denial about their daughter all her life?

[rshoffer]

rshoffer,
Great post.

Now could you explain the grandparents? (especially the mom). Some serious disfunction in that family...and they love the media. How do you raise a daughter that turns out like that? Have they been in denial about their daughter all her life?Actulaay, I have not watched the grandparents actions so I'll reserve opinions there for now.

[Best Mom]

OK.
I look forward to any more insights you have....

[chelsea24]

Personally, I hope they seek the Death Penalty for Casey Anthony. If they do not, I hope they put her into the general population of the prison where she will surely be taken care of by someone. Child killers and molesters are not tolerated be even the most hardened of criminals. I honestly do not feel one bit sorry for what happens to her now. This entire thing just turns my stomach. :yuck:

Casey reminds me of a female Scott Peterson. Complete Sociopath! There is not room in society for this type of personality and why should we as taxpayers pay for their care and feeding. She's a waste of space on this planet.

As far as the grandparents go, I have watched them on Larry King and they are either delusional or complete liars. I'm sorry, a mother knows her child. I think the mother Cindy (maybe not the dad) but the mother knows that Casey has been lying through her teeth. So, sorry, no pity there either.

When I see the clip of little Caylee singing, "You are my sunshine," I can't help but cry. What a precious, beautiful little spirit. She deserved so much better. This is a very, very, sad situation.

So, no pity for Casey or the grandparents from me. :cus:

[tucson]

I've been following this case since the beginning and I've always felt that there's been a sick & evil "family cover-up",re;George (a former homicide detective),Cindy(a nurse) and the brother Lee. Casey is a by-product of parents that enabled her all her life to be an immoral,irresponsible and self-serving egomaniac. Now, they are expecting to "get her off of a murder charge by lying for her and hiring "PR" spokesmens, plus getting the "top" defense lawyers & forensic experts in the country. And now Cindy & Casey are writing a book??!! (another OJ) It truly makes me sick to think our tax dollars are being wasted on these people because of all the lies this whole sick & evil family has fabricated and falsely led the FBI & Orlando PD around for the last 6 mos. I hope to God that little Caylee gets justice and the WHOLE truth will come out. This case stinks to high heavens.

[Taltarzac]

Actually, "A Beautiful Mind" was a fairly accurate depiction of one's slide into the abyss of psychosis and the impact on one's family. Cuckoo's nest allowed Nicholson's genius to depict the plight of a personality disorder in the grips of abuses as they occurred in the state hospital system.

Maternal infanticide, fortunately a very rare event, typically involves a likewise rare but VERY dangerous and potentially lethal mental illness that occurs in the post-partum period. this is called post-partum psychosis. This is not post-partum blues or the clinical entity, post-partum depression. A mother with post-partum psychosis is delusional (complete loss of touch with reality) and typically has some crazed notion that she's given offspring to the devil, or that the child must be sacrificed etc. It requires immediate hospitalization and separation from the newborn/infant. Even more rare is the development of a psychotic illness after the post-partum period where the child again becomes incorporated into the delusional system of the mother and the mother kills the child while psychotic.

It seems fairly evident that Casey Anthony's level of functioning through this period of time was not influenced by a psychotic mental illness, since, if that were the case, her attorneys would have had an obligation to have her examined and her psychotic state addressed. Of course , it would be irresponsible to comment on her mental state without examining her and having all the history. One can only speculate.

So, for the moment, let's not talk about Casey Anthony, let's ask... what would make a NON-DELUSIONAL,NON-PSYCHOTIC mother kill her child? Probably the most common reason this occurs is due to the confluence of character pathology (immaturity, selfishness, greed, irresponsibility, narcissism, sociopathy) and often, substance abuse (drug/alcohol addiction) and an unwanted child. Often the child is killed and the intention was not to kill the child...eg: an immature, irresponsible,drug dependent sociopathic mother wants to go out and party and gives her 4 year old ambien and alcohol so they sleep through the night... only to return to find the child stopped breathing (a case for second degree murder)... Or, imagine someone with borderline intelligence, poor, no support system, who can barely take care of herself, no spouse, living alone with an infant who has cried days due to a severe ear infection and mom shakes the baby to death to get it to stop crying. (not a rare event). In 2004, The American Journal of Psychiatry did a nice review article on this subject, written by Margaret Spinelli, MD.
The killing of a child is so repugnant and horrific that it demands retribution. We will all get to watch as the law now determines the course of this story.


My problem with some of these movies is that they fictionalize mental illness to such a degree that when people see it in reality in often colors their perception so much that they lose objectivity. Here is a link about the movie vs. the book A Beautiful Mind http://math.cofc.edu/kasman/MATHFICT/mfview.php?callnumber=mf181 .

I enjoyed the book A Beautiful Mind a lot more as it did not whitewash the subject of the biography nor make the mental illness seem so over-the-top that ordinary people would have a hard time recognizing a paranoid schizophrenic in their own lives.

One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest both the book and the movie were great entertainment IMHO but again can influence how people few the mental health system NOW to such a degree that it has little to do with how various institutions operate today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Flew_Over_the_Cuckoo%27s_Nest_(novel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Flew_Over_the_Cuckoo's_Nest_(film)

Comparing Casey Anthony to another woman that killed her kid (s), I see quite a lot of difference between how these perpetrators acted. Susan Smith seems to be quite different in how she did her crimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith

I have little doubt that Casey Anthony did indeed murder her daughter-- Caylee Anthony -- and then tried to blame someone else for it which does seem a little bit like Susan Smith.

[billethkid]

some attention/sympathy away from the precious child/victim.
While she has to be proven guilty she certainly has been a non grieving parent.
Who would not report a missing child for over a month.....correct....NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those offering her a sympathetic thought, just keep in mind the person putting duct tape across the beautiful child's mouth while stuffing her in a plastic bag. That is the image to dwell upon not her lawyers BS or her emotional shenanigans.
The very worst of human behavior. Think and pray for the child.

I didn't mean to hijack the thread but could not resist...

BTK

[Taltarzac]

some attention/sympathy away from the precious child/victim.
While she has to be proven guilty she certainly has been a non grieving parent.
Who would not report a missing child for over a month.....correct....NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those offering her a sympathetic thought, just keep in mind the person putting duct tape across the beautiful child's mouth while stuffing her in a plastic bag. That is the image to dwell upon not her lawyers BS or her emotional shenanigans.
The very worst of human behavior. Think and pray for the child.

I didn't mean to hijack the thread but could not resist...

BTK

Seems like it has been others-- like me-- who have hijacked the thread, billethkid.

[Barefoot]

I've been following this case since the beginning and I've always felt that there's been a sick & evil "family cover-up",re;George (a former homicide detective),Cindy(a nurse) and the brother Lee. Casey is a by-product of parents that enabled her all her life to be an immoral,irresponsible and self-serving egomaniac. Now, they are expecting to "get her off of a murder charge by lying for her and hiring "PR" spokesmens, plus getting the "top" defense lawyers & forensic experts in the country. And now Cindy & Casey are writing a book??!! (another OJ) It truly makes me sick to think our tax dollars are being wasted on these people because of all the lies this whole sick & evil family has fabricated and falsely led the FBI & Orlando PD around for the last 6 mos. I hope to God that little Caylee gets justice and the WHOLE truth will come out. This case stinks to high heavens.

Tucson, I agree 100% with your assessment of the situation. The parents have protected their sociopathic daughter all her life and are still trying to do so. Casey has wasted hundreds of thousands of tax dollars by lying to the police and FBI. These are enabling parents in denial .. still choosing to believe that this precious daughter (who has even stolen from her grandmother) is incapable of murder. This is an unbelievably disfunctional and delusional family. Poor little Caylee, that sweet innocent child, may God rest her soul.

[Taltarzac]

This is a source for good analysis of the Casey Anthony case as it progresses. Tends to be quite liberal for the most part though.

This http://news.findlaw.com/ap/other/1110/12-12-2008/20081212002007_16.html is just a news story but you should look for the more in depth commentaries by various defense and prosecution lawyers and/or law professors which should start appearing on Findlaw when the trial heats up whenever that is.

Here is a link to the Legal Commentary. http://writ.news.findlaw.com/ Right now it mostly looks like what these "experts" hope that the Obama administration will do.

[bestmickey]

The entire family is guilty of a cover-up (at a minimum). While she certainly did not deserve to be murdered, considering that "sick" family she lived with, precious baby Caylee is now in a much better place ... in God's arms. Cindy, George and Lee all should be charged with their crimes and should all serve time in jail.

I want to see Casey put with the general population in jail. Let's do it immediately, to save the taxpayers of Florida some money. Why bother holding a trial?

Let's give Casey one final Christmas present. Knowing she loves the attention, lets put her in the general population WITH a video camera of the main gathering rooms. Let her get more media coverage, play the video on CNN. This would be one murder I'd enjoy viewing.

May God forever bless Caylee.

[tucson]

Heard on NBC this am that FBI wants the finger prints of Cindy,George & Lee Anthony, (they'll probably decline) and it was also stated that the Anthony's believe that someone else killed Caylee and "planted" her remains near the Anthony home to "make it look like Casey did it". I knew that this would be their next "story"!!!!!!

[Taltarzac]

Heard on NBC this am that FBI wants the finger prints of Cindy,George & Lee Anthony, (they'll probably decline) and it was also stated that the Anthony's believe that someone else killed Caylee and "planted" her remains near the Anthony home to "make it look like Casey did it". I knew that this would be their next "story"!!!!!!

I suppose if any other children of Caylee's size, hair color and sex had gone missing from their neighborhood that someone would have brought that up by now? So, these probably are Callie's remains.

Wonder what motive someone would have for framing Casey Anthony for the murder of Caylee? Unless, this person knew the Anthonys and was in a caregiving role of Callie I see little motive for framing Casey unless it was to throw blame from someone who would otherwise be a very likely suspect.

[Peggy D]

Personally, I hope they seek the Death Penalty for Casey Anthony. If they do not, I hope they put her into the general population of the prison where she will surely be taken care of by someone. Child killers and molesters are not tolerated be even the most hardened of criminals. I honestly do not feel one bit sorry for what happens to her now. This entire thing just turns my stomach. :yuck:

Casey reminds me of a female Scott Peterson. Complete Sociopath! There is not room in society for this type of personality and why should we as taxpayers pay for their care and feeding. She's a waste of space on this planet.

As far as the grandparents go, I have watched them on Larry King and they are either delusional or complete liars. I'm sorry, a mother knows her child. I think the mother Cindy (maybe not the dad) but the mother knows that Casey has been lying through her teeth. So, sorry, no pity there either.

When I see the clip of little Caylee singing, "You are my sunshine," I can't help but cry. What a precious, beautiful little spirit. She deserved so much better. This is a very, very, sad situation.

So, no pity for Casey or the grandparents from me. :cus:

Chels,

I feel the same way. Casey does remind me of Scott Peterson. I can't imagine a parent could do such a thing. Not only that, but Cindy not seeing the child for a month? That should have raised some red flags.

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It is heart-breaking.

[graciegirl]

Tucson, I agree 100% with your assessment of the situation. The parents have protected their sociopathic daughter all her life and are still trying to do so. Casey has wasted hundreds of thousands of tax dollars by lying to the police and FBI. These are enabling parents in denial .. still choosing to believe that this precious daughter (who has even stolen from her grandmother) is incapable of murder. This is an unbelievably disfunctional and delusional family. Poor little Caylee, that sweet innocent child, may God rest her soul.

Amen.

[chelsea24]

awwww, I'm just heartsick. I just heard on the news that they identified Caylee. I'm sure we all knew it was her, but just hearing it confirmed made my cry.

[Taltarzac]

...even though I was 99.9 % sure that these remains were Caylee's. I am about that sure that Casey killed her daughter too but it should be interesting to see if they get a jury in this area of Florida that will not already have made up their minds one way or the other about Casey's guilt.

Casey's actions and demeanor during this whole child disappearance and search really threaten any story her attorneys might be able to come up with.

The meter reader seemed to do a better job at looking for Caylee than the Orange County Sheriff did.

[Barefoot]

awwww, I'm just heartsick. I just heard on the news that they identified Caylee. I'm sure we all knew it was her, but just hearing it confirmed made my cry.

I have very mixed feelings about the announcement that they identified poor little Caylee. I am heartbroken that the innocent little angel was murdered at the age of 2 1/2. But I think the ID of Caylee will mean a stronger case against the Casey, her mother.

It seems the grandparents are still believing Casey ... that Zanny the Nanny kidnapped Caylee, murdered her, and brought her back to a wooded area 15 houses away from their door. Talk about being in denial.

[SteveZ]

Now to be very cynical....

"We" have raised an entire generation with the belief that if a child is going to be a burden, abort it so all of the burdens and problems go away. It's not a giant leap for that belief to be extended by the current (and upcoming) generations - especially the narcissic and impatient - to "born" children when they become a burden as time goes by. The question this generation (and upcoming) will have to resolve is how can one keep from getting prosecuted for something they believe is their right - freeing themselves from parental responsibility via a violent act. It's happened once already, therefore the precedent exists.

Now to add to the cynicism....

The grandparents, neighbors and others knew the child was in harms way. However, who wants to "get involved" when the parent is a neighbor who you have to see and deal with, because odds are the complaint and investigation will lead back to who called, and the parent will still be around the neighborhood even if the Department of Children and Families removes the child?

The grandparents in situations like this tend to try to mitigate the harm through extra babysitting, prayer and hope - sometimes even with money. In the end, they don't want the "secret" to become public because of embarrassment. After all, how many grandparents want to answer questions or respond to looks from their friends, neighbors and other relatives because their kid went off the deep end with regards to child abuse.

Had Ms. Anthony aborted her pregnancy, there never would have been a Caylee, and all those photos of the little girl and the impact she made upon others would never have happened, because the "burden" would have been avoided. Ms. Anthony (if she is guilty of homicide) just waited a couple years too long before disposing of her burden.

Defense counsel for Ms. Anthony (if charged with any degree of homicide and the physical evidence conclusive) may even decide to get creative by indicating a defense that includes diminished responsibility based on how she interprets "child disposal" as a public policy. That could impact a plea bargain or mitigate sentencing, depending how it's played. In notorious cases which can cost the state a fortune, anything can happen.

So, is the Anthony story a tragedy? Yes.
Could it have been stopped before the worst happened? No doubt!
Could the circumstances which led to killing been prevented? Probably.
Will such a situation happen again? As long as children can be considered by today's generation (and upcoming) as a burden which can be corrected by disposal, what do you think?

I realize there is a significant pro-"choice" segment who won't see the link, or will come up with all sorts of exceptions, twists or "rights" as to why I'm off base with this. However, that doesn't change the fact that there is a dead child being highly publicized as the ultimate product of child abuse without ever discussing why the abuse occurred and whether the parent (if guilty) believed "if only I had aborted" then I wouldn't be behind bars, but instead be bellying back up to some bar for more fun and games.

Morality, responsibility, conscience - we seem to have politicked these almost to oblivion in the quest for the "free life."

[graciegirl]

Now to be very cynical....

"We" have raised an entire generation with the belief that if a child is going to be a burden, abort it so all of the burdens and problems go away. It's not a giant leap for that belief to be extended by the current (and upcoming) generations - especially the narcissic and impatient - to "born" children when they become a burden as time goes by. The question this generation (and upcoming) will have to resolve is how can one keep from getting prosecuted for something they believe is their right - freeing themselves from parental responsibility via a violent act. It's happened once already, therefore the precedent exists.

Now to add to the cynicism....

The grandparents, neighbors and others knew the child was in harms way. However, who wants to "get involved" when the parent is a neighbor who you have to see and deal with, because odds are the complaint and investigation will lead back to who called, and the parent will still be around the neighborhood even if the Department of Children and Families removes the child?

The grandparents in situations like this tend to try to mitigate the harm through extra babysitting, prayer and hope - sometimes even with money. In the end, they don't want the "secret" to become public because of embarrassment. After all, how many grandparents want to answer questions or respond to looks from their friends, neighbors and other relatives because their kid went off the deep end with regards to child abuse.

Had Ms. Anthony aborted her pregnancy, there never would have been a Caylee, and all those photos of the little girl and the impact she made upon others would never have happened, because the "burden" would have been avoided. Ms. Anthony (if she is guilty of homicide) just waited a couple years too long before disposing of her burden.

Defense counsel for Ms. Anthony (if charged with any degree of homicide and the physical evidence conclusive) may even decide to get creative by indicating a defense that includes diminished responsibility based on how she interprets "child disposal" as a public policy. That could impact a plea bargain or mitigate sentencing, depending how it's played. In notorious cases which can cost the state a fortune, anything can happen.

So, is the Anthony story a tragedy? Yes.
Could it have been stopped before the worst happened? No doubt!
Could the circumstances which led to killing been prevented? Probably.
Will such a situation happen again? As long as children can be considered by today's generation (and upcoming) as a burden which can be corrected by disposal, what do you think?

I realize there is a significant pro-"choice" segment who won't see the link, or will come up with all sorts of exceptions, twists or "rights" as to why I'm off base with this. However, that doesn't change the fact that there is a dead child being highly publicized as the ultimate product of child abuse without ever discussing why the abuse occurred and whether the parent (if guilty) believed "if only I had aborted" then I wouldn't be behind bars, but instead be bellying back up to some bar for more fun and games.

Morality, responsibility, conscience - we seem to have politicked these almost to oblivion in the quest for the "free life."

Steve,

As much as I usually agree with you and I truly respect your very sincere values, I don't think I can agree with you completely on this post.

I could NEVER have an abortion, but sometimes they do have a need. I have never marched or contributed, but as a Catholic, I still can see that sometimes it is a choice.

I don't believe that we are seeing young people raised in a way to consider their offsprings disposable. I think that maternal and paternal instinct is in place the way it always was. I think that people are not as clear as to how to go about it. I think that some get convinced that a Lexus is a better trip to the grocery than a Ford and gives their children a few points among their peers. The recent financial unpleasantness is gonna fix that problem, sad as it is for us older ones.

I think the Anthonys are screwed up morally lax people, but I don't think there were signs of overt physical child abuse, so that neighbors could report it. I think the grandparents really loved that child, who wouldn't, except the mother perhaps. The blame rests primarily on Casey Anthony who was old enough to know better, and apparently has sociapathic tendencies. No excuse. The parents covered for her and I am sure they did all of her life. I am sure that she got herself in trouble in lots of ways and they fished her out.

I just don't think that the issue is abortion. I do agree that the Anthonys will either burn in Hell or live the Hell for the rest of their life of NOT having that child with them and knowing what happened to her. I share that Hell. I can't put her little face out of my mind. It is so sick and so sad and so wrong. I do understand where you are coming from Steve and you may be right. Abortion should never be used for birth control or to solve a selfish problem, but there are terrible things that happen to people that are not to be believed.

I keep typing and like most old fools have lost my train of thought. I need coffee and I think that what you typed is your usual very considered belief and I recognize and support the intelligence behind your usual goodness.

How sad that we have to discuss this horrible act at this wonderful time of the year.

[billethkid]

was when she finally called 911 for help....when she said the car smelled like a dead body.
Then her brain led her to a conclusion maybe Casey did do away with the grand daughter. Now not being able to do anything about Caylee, she shifts to the preservation of her daughter's life.....no matter what it takes.
My theory about the Anthonys parading in front of any camera that was in the area.....it provided a platform for her to propogate her new goal of saving Casey in the public's mind.
The vision the public needs to keep in the fore front (as terrible as it is)...an adult getting a roll of duct tape, taping Caylee's mouth....she was obviously alive...if not why tape the mouth. Now vizualize Casey, doing the taping....that is what needs to not get lost during the upcoming shenanigans that will come forth from the lawyers. There was no ransoming....no molestation sexual or otherwise....what possible reason would anybody else have to do such a terrible act. None.
A non remorseful, warped person.....Casey Anthony.....she will get away with murder. That is what lawyers do....they are well versed and trained to either use or hide behind the letter of the law, regardless if guilty. It is the scourge of the profession.

BTK

[SteveZ]

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I could NEVER have an abortion, but sometimes they do have a need. I have never marched or contributed, but as a Catholic, I still can see that sometimes it is a choice.

I don't believe that we are seeing young people raised in a way to consider their offsprings disposable. I think that maternal and paternal instinct is in place the way it always was.

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Also as a Catholic, I disagree. The child is never the enemy, from the first heartbeat onward. Neither parent has a right to kill, because there is no "bright line" as to when it's okay to kill and when it isn't. If it not okay at 2 years old, why is it okay at any trimester?

Life is not fair, but killing does not make it any "fairer."

When we (at our a-little-beyond-middle age) were growing up, our parents were surprised that what we took as "natural" and "our rights" were different than theirs, because they did not have the same stuff or information. It happens. And it has happened again with the youngsters through age 40. They've grown up in a Rowe v. Wade time frame, subject to the barrage of TV and print advertisements geared to sexual activity (Viagra, herpes treatments, pregnancy test, etc), as well as entertainment media which praises open relationships, premarital sex, abortion, and other such behavior. They have become totally desensitized to it all, and take it a "normal" and "natural" as life styles and behavior, while we try to ignore it. It has become "their way" and it affects their reasoning and justifications.

Now, that's not to say every 7-40 year old will kill a two year old because of inconvenience or burden, but the potential for such action over segments of the population which would not have previously considered such an act (for whatever reason) 40 years ago is now desensitized to its horror.

I hope I'm wrong on this, but human behavior in this country is going further downhill as less and less becomes shocking, and more and more is condoned or praised as acceptable.

If the maternal instinct is still as prevalent, why are there 1.5 million abortions in this country each year, and why are there more kids proportionally-to-population in DCF custody than ever before? There's a good reason why The Villages Channel Two keeps soliciting people to be Guardians ad Litem, and why each DFC caseworker has caseloads averaging close 100 kids each. One trip to a place like Great Oaks Village in Orlando (a "group home" facility) and listening to those kids is utterly frightening.

We've proven as a people not to be as smart as we think we are.

The other day I saw again Dickens' A Christmas Carol. The last scene with the "Ghost of Christmas Present" where he's describing the two children under his robe tells it all.

[graciegirl]

As a grandmother I try to avoid abortions in my family by talking straight about sex instead of acting like it isn't happening in the world. My favorite line is when we are watching a huge sports event is to say to my grandchildren...ALL OF Them, no matter the age..

"See all of those people there? They all were born because of having sex. If you aren't planning to have children, protect against pregnancy when you become sexually active."

As to all of the other things you said, you are probably right Steve. As I grow older I know more questions than answers. Only God knows what is truly right and wrong. I know that my grandmother said. "There are things far worse than death.".

[SteveZ]

As a grandmother I try to avoid abortions in my family by talking straight about sex instead of acting like it isn't happening in the world. My favorite line is when we are watching a huge sports event is to say to my grandchildren...ALL OF Them, no matter the age..

"See all of those people there? They all were born because of having sex. If you aren't planning to have children, protect against pregnancy when you become sexually active."

As to all of the other things you said, you are probably right Steve. As I grow older I know more questions than answers. Only God knows what is truly right and wrong. I know that my grandmother said. "There are things far worse than death.".

before I forget... a Merry Christmas to you and yours!

[tucson]

The latest in this sordid story is that the grandparents want donations from the public to pay for Caylee's funeral!!! Also, read on Orlando Sentinel they signed a 2million contract for Lifetime to do a story of which there is a petition set up against it on ThePetitionSite.com if anyone is compelled to sign.