Two people recently arrested over physical interchange over saving seats at square.

[graciegirl]

According to the online news;


With droves of snowbirds on the verge of returning to The Villages, the squares soon will be even more crowded.
But even with the snowbirds away, the age-old controversy of saving seats at the squares, has hardly been dormant this sizzling summer.
Residents frequently mark their seats prior to the first cocktail being served at 5 p.m. Colorful ropes, ribbons, string and cushions have long been the resident-recognized way for Villagers to “reserve” their seats, particularly at Spanish Springs Town Square. The “reservations” can sprout up on chairs hours before the first song of the evening is performed.
Officially, “saving” seats at the squares is prohibited in The Villages.
http://www.**************.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/A-row-of-seats-is-marked-off-with-rope-and-cushions-at-Spanish-Springs-Town-Square-600x463.jpg (http://www.**************.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/A-row-of-seats-is-marked-off-with-rope-and-cushions-at-Spanish-Springs-Town-Square.jpg)A row of seats is marked off with rope and cushions at Spanish Springs Town Square

Saving seats at the square twice ended in arrest this summer.
Most recently, a 65-year-old Water Oak resident is alleged on Sept. 9 to have pushed a 77-year-old Villager who dared to sit in a seat “saved” by the Water Oaker at Spanish Springs Town Square.
When the Villager attempted to sit in one of the “saved” seats, (Name of person) informed the Villager that the chair was “taken.” When the Villager ignored him, (name of person) “jumped up and pushed (the man) back and jammed his fingers into the upper chest area,” of the Villager, according to an incident report from the Lady Lake Police Department.
(name of person) told police that the “chairs were taken,” but denied pushing or poking The Villager.
(Name of person) was issued a notice to appear Sept. 29 in Lake County Court to answer to a charge of misdemeanor battery.
This week, a 70-year-old Village of Santo Domingo man paid a nearly $300 fine in Lake County Court after pleading no contest to charges of disorderly conduct and resisting a police officer.

[Taltarzac725]

...always a bully.

Guess their mothers and/or fathers never taught these people good manners.

According to the online news;


With droves of snowbirds on the verge of returning to The Villages, the squares soon will be even more crowded.
But even with the snowbirds away, the age-old controversy of saving seats at the squares, has hardly been dormant this sizzling summer.
Residents frequently mark their seats prior to the first cocktail being served at 5 p.m. Colorful ropes, ribbons, string and cushions have long been the resident-recognized way for Villagers to “reserve” their seats, particularly at Spanish Springs Town Square. The “reservations” can sprout up on chairs hours before the first song of the evening is performed.
Officially, “saving” seats at the squares is prohibited in The Villages.
http://www.**************.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/A-row-of-seats-is-marked-off-with-rope-and-cushions-at-Spanish-Springs-Town-Square-600x463.jpg (http://www.**************.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/A-row-of-seats-is-marked-off-with-rope-and-cushions-at-Spanish-Springs-Town-Square.jpg)A row of seats is marked off with rope and cushions at Spanish Springs Town Square

Saving seats at the square twice ended in arrest this summer.
Most recently, a 65-year-old Water Oak resident is alleged on Sept. 9 to have pushed a 77-year-old Villager who dared to sit in a seat “saved” by the Water Oaker at Spanish Springs Town Square.
When the Villager attempted to sit in one of the “saved” seats, (Name of person) informed the Villager that the chair was “taken.” When the Villager ignored him, (name of person) “jumped up and pushed (the man) back and jammed his fingers into the upper chest area,” of the Villager, according to an incident report from the Lady Lake Police Department.
(name of person) told police that the “chairs were taken,” but denied pushing or poking The Villager.
(Name of person) was issued a notice to appear Sept. 29 in Lake County Court to answer to a charge of misdemeanor battery.
This week, a 70-year-old Village of Santo Domingo man paid a nearly $300 fine in Lake County Court after pleading no contest to charges of disorderly conduct and resisting a police officer.

[rubicon]

Unless the people responsible for maintaining and supplying the village squares take affirmative action this sort of thing will continue. if there is a policy of not saving seats then it should be enforced; otherwise it is not a policy

[golfing eagles]

and so it begins......

"Officially, “saving” seats at the squares is prohibited in The Villages."
My personal opinion is that if you make a rule, enforce the rule. That way there is no question as to what is permitted and what is expected, and conflict is less likely to ensue

[BS Beef]

I'm not a fan of the seat saving. That being said it's a shame it would come to that in any case. Maybe I'm just too passive but I just find my own space and/or enjoy something else around the square(s).

I am going to join those saying if that's the policy then the policy needs to be enforced. What's wrong with having a section where you can save seats and the rest is open?

[Jima64]

Makes me wonder if people understand that rules are there to be followed for everyone. I too would sit in a unoccupied seat. If I were physically attacked in any way I would let the police deal with it.

[Topspinmo]

IMO just remove them so you have to bring your own. Problem solved.

[fred53]

IMO just remove them so you have to bring your own. Problem solved.

as they'll set up their own seat and put "reserved" on that...no just have Sgt.of Arms/usher that enforces it. People who don't like it can leave.

[twoas1@comcast.net]

knew it would happen sooner or later. The people who run the square are waiting for a murder before they make sure no one saves chairs.

[Villager Joyce]

IMO just remove them so you have to bring your own. Problem solved.

There are many legitimate reasons why this isn't a good solution. It is hard to carry a chair and a drink. Seriously, people with difficulties walking might not be able to manage and could no longer enjoy the squares. In the good old days, young men would jump up and help but those may well be the folks that now need help.

[dbussone]

knew it would happen sooner or later. The people who run the square are waiting for a murder before they make sure no one saves chairs.


Murder by chair?

[Greg Nelson]

How about pew rent? Enforce the rules..please

[tomwed]

There are many legitimate reasons why this isn't a good solution. It is hard to carry a chair and a drink. Seriously, people with difficulties walking might not be able to manage and could no longer enjoy the squares. In the good old days, young men would jump up and help but those may well be the folks that now need help.
In the good old days, I'd be holding 2 drinks.

[Topspinmo]

as they'll set up their own seat and put "reserved" on that...no just have Sgt.of Arms/usher that enforces it. People who don't like it can leave.

If they don't have seats then they have to stand cause they didn't bring seats. Read my lips" there will never be seat inforcer at the squares. :what: nobody wants that stress:shrug:

[tomwed]

I think whenever the music starts everyone has to dance. And whenever it stops everyone has to run to a chair. Whoever is left standing, has to go home.

[BS Beef]

I think whenever the music starts everyone has to dance. And whenever it stops everyone has to run to a chair. Whoever is left standing, has to go home.

:bowdown::1rotfl::bowdown::1rotfl:

[Nucky]

Maybe, hopefully when we make it to you guys we can have a peaceful, fulfilled happy life. The second someone puts their hands on you it's all bets off. So if you see a slightly overweight, happy looking, bald headed man who has a wife that's way over his head looks wise and you decide to touch him his wife or you appear to be picking on someone who is much weaker that you on the food chain just be sure your health insurance is paid in full there is a good chance your going to need it. By the way in my presence don't ever touch a women improperly..ever..even if she takes a poke at you first. Haven't touched another human being improperly in 30 years. Is a chair really that important?

Is it possible that one of the lawyer types who post here could straighten me out by letting me know if the law is different in Florida. Maybe your supposed to get pushed around and just stand there and take it?? I guess anythings possible.

Who wants to live the last best years of their life in turmoil? Your thoughts?

[Barefoot]

I think whenever the music starts everyone has to dance. And whenever it stops everyone has to run to a chair. Whoever is left standing, has to go home.

I think you attended way too many birthday parties when you were a lad. ;)

[Chatbrat]

Some old special forces types can really kick the butt of people 30 years younger--thats when training & memory kicks in--you never know whose butt you're tweaking

[justjim]

How about putting up signs on the squares that saving seats is prohibited? How are people to know (especially non-residents) unless they are told?

So everyone can enjoy the
Entertainment
NO SEAT SAVING PLEASE

[golfing eagles]

How about putting up signs on the squares that saving seats is prohibited? How are people to know (especially non-residents) unless they are told?

So everyone can enjoy the
Entertainment
NO SEAT SAVING PLEASE

Makes way too much sense
I prefer the "Mad Max" solution----put a cage off to the side, the seat saver and the seat taker are locked in. Two Villagers enter, one Villager leaves.
While the crowd watches, everyone else can take a saved seat.

[Cedwards38]

Alcohol + Ego + Sense of Entitlement + Inflated Sense of Physical Ability = Town Square Disaster

Ultimately we are going to need law enforcement at public gatherings, just like they have in real cities.

[Cathy H]

Maybe, hopefully when we make it to you guys we can have a peaceful, fulfilled happy life. The second someone puts their hands on you it's all bets off. So if you see a slightly overweight, happy looking, bald headed man who has a wife that's way over his head looks wise and you decide to touch him his wife or you appear to be picking on someone who is much weaker that you on the food chain just be sure your health insurance is paid in full there is a good chance your going to need it. By the way in my presence don't ever touch a women improperly..ever..even if she takes a poke at you first. Haven't touched another human being improperly in 30 years. Is a chair really that important?

Is it possible that one of the lawyer types who post here could straighten me out by letting me know if the law is different in Florida. Maybe your supposed to get pushed around and just stand there and take it?? I guess anythings possible.

Who wants to live the last best years of their life in turmoil? Your thoughts?

FLORIDA "stand your ground law would let you shoot someone over that. looks like "paradise below" (the villages") ain't so hot after all

[golfing eagles]

FLORIDA "stand your ground law would let you shoot someone over that. looks like "paradise below" (the villages") ain't so hot after all

No. it wouldn't, not even close

Don't forget, TV has one of the lowest crime rates in the country

[dbussone]

FLORIDA "stand your ground law would let you shoot someone over that. looks like "paradise below" (the villages") ain't so hot after all


I seriously doubt that getting finger poked in the chest would qualify as justification for fearing for your life. Those with weapons who have received training and permits understand the difference.

[MikeV]

FLORIDA "stand your ground law would let you shoot someone over that. looks like "paradise below" (the villages") ain't so hot after all

First, Florida Stand Your Ground Law will NOT protect you in that situation. Secondly if "paradise below" ain't so hot after all then Florida Law I'm sure will allow you to leave.

[Mleeja]

According to the online news;


With droves of snowbirds on the verge of returning to The Villages, the squares soon will be even more crowded.
But even with the snowbirds away, the age-old controversy of saving seats at the squares, has hardly been dormant this sizzling summer.
Residents frequently mark their seats prior to the first cocktail being served at 5 p.m. Colorful ropes, ribbons, string and cushions have long been the resident-recognized way for Villagers to “reserve” their seats, particularly at Spanish Springs Town Square. The “reservations” can sprout up on chairs hours before the first song of the evening is performed.
Officially, “saving” seats at the squares is prohibited in The Villages.
http://www.**************.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/A-row-of-seats-is-marked-off-with-rope-and-cushions-at-Spanish-Springs-Town-Square-600x463.jpg (http://www.**************.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/A-row-of-seats-is-marked-off-with-rope-and-cushions-at-Spanish-Springs-Town-Square.jpg)A row of seats is marked off with rope and cushions at Spanish Springs Town Square

Saving seats at the square twice ended in arrest this summer.
Most recently, a 65-year-old Water Oak resident is alleged on Sept. 9 to have pushed a 77-year-old Villager who dared to sit in a seat “saved” by the Water Oaker at Spanish Springs Town Square.
When the Villager attempted to sit in one of the “saved” seats, (Name of person) informed the Villager that the chair was “taken.” When the Villager ignored him, (name of person) “jumped up and pushed (the man) back and jammed his fingers into the upper chest area,” of the Villager, according to an incident report from the Lady Lake Police Department.
(name of person) told police that the “chairs were taken,” but denied pushing or poking The Villager.
(Name of person) was issued a notice to appear Sept. 29 in Lake County Court to answer to a charge of misdemeanor battery.
This week, a 70-year-old Village of Santo Domingo man paid a nearly $300 fine in Lake County Court after pleading no contest to charges of disorderly conduct and resisting a police officer.

Trouble maker! :eclipsee_gold_cup: :beer3:

[buzzy]

Look for the new taser booth on vendor night.

[kcrazorbackfan]

FLORIDA "stand your ground law would let you shoot someone over that. looks like "paradise below" (the villages") ain't so hot after all

Oh, no it won't. Don't even think about pulling a weapon over a poke in the chest. IF a person lays hands on you and you cannot defend yourself, hit them where it hurts - in the pocketbook. Call the Police and have the
person(s) arrested for assault (the threat of violence) and battery (physical violence).

[Retiring]

Turn the other cheek and leave. The best part of an evening out is when you get home, it’s done. Call the police and start a court battle and you will be dealing with that poke to the chest for a long time. If I were being poked in the chest, and I was in the right, I still would not want to take another’s freedom away – even for a day.

Fight when you can’t flee. But if you can safely flee, do so. If you take the road of involving the legal system, you will definitely wish you had fled. He or she, poking you in the chest, is not worth all the aggravation you will experience in the court system. Not to mention the enemies you will create.

We all have to pick our battles in life, for me, a poke to the chest isn’t one of them.

[Sandtrap328]

I certainly do not believe that one very minor incident calls for any action being taken by anyone. On the really popular entertainment nights, if you can, bring your own chair. If not, you may have to stand to see acts like Rocky or Uncle Bob.

[Walter123]

A friend of mine saved my Axx once.

[asianthree]

For some bring a chair they can use it as a temporary walker and alleviate two problems.

[graciegirl]

Turn the other cheek and leave. The best part of an evening out is when you get home, it’s done. Call the police and start a court battle and you will be dealing with that poke to the chest for a long time. If I were being poked in the chest, and I was in the right, I still would not want to take another’s freedom away – even for a day.

Fight when you can’t flee. But if you can safely flee, do so. If you take the road of involving the legal system, you will definitely wish you had fled. He or she, poking you in the chest, is not worth all the aggravation you will experience in the court system. Not to mention the enemies you will create.

We all have to pick our battles in life, for me, a poke to the chest isn’t one of them.



I don't know who you are, but you are one smart person. You sound like my husband which is the highest compliment I can give anyone.


We are lucky to have you on this board.


Hope your sage advice and your attitude toward life brings you years of happiness.


Your fan,


Gracie.

[CFrance]

Unless the people responsible for maintaining and supplying the village squares take affirmative action this sort of thing will continue. if there is a policy of not saving seats then it should be enforced; otherwise it is not a policy
I agree with you, Rubicon, but that doesn't seem to be The Villages Way. Their way is to make rules and then let everyone enforce each other.

This subject has been beaten to death. If it ever becomes inconvenient for the powers that be in some fashion (such as club people parking in the lots to take buses), they will do something about it.

I love The Villages, but they do have some very strange ideas. Take three of the gate people away and employ them to hand out chairs a half-hour before the entertainment starts.

[graciegirl]

I agree with you, Rubicon, but that doesn't seem to be The Villages Way. Their way is to make rules and then let everyone enforce each other.

This subject has been beaten to death. If it ever becomes inconvenient for the powers that be in some fashion (such as club people parking in the lots to take buses), they will do something about it.

I love The Villages, but they do have some very strange ideas. Take three of the gate people away and employ them to hand out chairs a half-hour before the entertainment starts.





It has been beat to death. Cruise lines and public events everywhere offer no valid answers for rudeness and selfishness.


The ballsy and the brash always seem to find a way to win. They don't even KNOW or have ever HEARD what Ohio' mama's have told their children; "That isn't nice. We don't act that way. You act like you are the only person in this world. You don't live alone. That isn't what we do in this family. SHAME ON YOU.".


They haven't been exposed to the Golden Rule. I think it will get worse. Small children are being kept alive and fed by people who have no reason to CARE how they turn out and directions to NOT give them moral direction.


They used to be raised by people who had a stake in their future and who were instinctively connected to love them so much so they could yell at them, put them in a corner and swat their fannies......and hold them and love them and talk to them afterward.


Good luck world. It ain't lookin' pretty.

[looneycat]

maybe if some of the priests and pastors from the 50 or so churches here stood at each of the squares the people would act like the good christians they profess to be.

[rcook715]

Just exactly who are "The people who run the square"? Is their an office as part of the Community districts, etc called square management? Obviously these are the folks at fault for not enforcing the no saving policy.

[graciegirl]

Just exactly who are "The people who run the square"? Is their an office as part of the Community districts, etc called square management? Obviously these are the folks at fault for not enforcing the no saving policy.



The Entertainment is owned by a private business group who is paid by the merchants on the squares.

[airbear]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke

[outlaw]

Just exactly who are "The people who run the square"? Is their an office as part of the Community districts, etc called square management? Obviously these are the folks at fault for not enforcing the no saving policy.

The squares are owned/controlled by the developer. If the developer cared about this issue, it would be eliminated overnight.

[rcook715]

Give us a call!

I did track down The Villages Entertainment

The Villages Entertainment * Special Events Department: (352) 750-5411
The Villages Box Office (automated): (352) 753-3229

It seems the enforcement falls under their auspices.

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[graciegirl]

The squares are owned/controlled by the developer. If the developer cared about this issue, it would be eliminated overnight.



In all the time that I have lived here, and all of the things that I have read on this forum and witnessed with my own eyes, there is very little that I can perceive about the developer that doesn't speak of deep thinking, planning and great wisdom and an eye for the bottom line. I like that too..


There are mostly people living here who are kind, fair, honest, trustworthy and community spirited. But it doesn't take many selfish and uncaring folks to mess up the best ideas and plans.


The developer has sold the entertainment company to a private company Every company has a financial margin for profit. It they hire people to enforce the seat issue, then there will be less money for the entertainment.


I see this issue as having been discussed endlessly by the people who can make decisions about it. Whether it would destroy the pleasant ambiance of entertainment at the squares to confront seat savers and enforce the rule or ignore seat savers.


I have met a lot of people who are very good with people and a few large strong men who could get the job done. It will not be pretty if the enforcement happens. I HATE confrontations.


I will wait and see how this will pan out..

[graciegirl]

Give us a call!

I did track down The Villages Entertainment

The Villages Entertainment * Special Events Department: (352) 750-5411
The Villages Box Office (automated): (352) 753-3229

It seems the enforcement falls under their auspices.

LEAVE A COMMENT



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[BS Beef]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke

OK, I agree with you and I hate the whole chair saving thing, but I'm pretty sure Edmund wasn't referring to people saving chairs in the village squares.

[Sandtrap328]

The picture in the on-line news showed 5 chairs "saved" with cushions and tied together. You could see in the picture there were plenty of stacked chairs for usage. Now, if there were no other chairs available AND no one was sitting in one or two, they are fair game to anyone who wants to untie them and put the cushions to the side.

No big deal and nothing to get worked up about.

[TheVillageChicken]

Here is The Chicken Solution, which I must qualify by saying that I have no dog in this fight and have never been to entertainment at the Squares. The Chicken gets his music fix in smoke-filled honky tonks and blues bars.

Grant a concession to someone to provide rental chairs.

They could number their chairs and produce a corresponding laminated credit card sized ticket to accompany each numbered chair. This serves as proof of "ownership".

Charge $2.50 per numbered chair plus a reasonable deposit on each card.

Numbered chairs are reserved while unnumbered ones belong to whoever owns the butt that it supports.

Yeah, yeah...there are logistical issues such as manpower and having to wait in line for your card deposit refund, but who cares? That would be the problem of whoever gets the chair rental concession and the chair renter.

[Barefoot]

Turn the other cheek and leave. The best part of an evening out is when you get home, it’s done. Call the police and start a court battle and you will be dealing with that poke to the chest for a long time. ...... Fight when you can’t flee. We all have to pick our battles in life, for me, a poke to the chest isn’t one of them.
Words of wisdom.

[looneycat]

Just exactly who are "The people who run the square"? Is their an office as part of the Community districts, etc called square management? Obviously these are the folks at fault for not enforcing the no saving policy.

it's not the management that fights over the chairs it is your neighbors feeling their needs are so important that they can disobey the posted policy and screw you.

[Jima64]

Maapybe the management company should hire a off duty police officer to maintain the squares during the evening. Thinkmthat if an officer asked someone nicely they would not safe chairs.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

This will work! :1rotfl:

[Challenger]

OK, I agree with you and I hate the whole chair saving thing, but I'm pretty sure Edmund wasn't referring to people saving chairs in the village squares.

Ignoring a problem , seldom solves it. These issues will cotinue to occur and probably escalate to more serious confrontations. If this were a one and gone issue, it might be ignored, but my experience tells me that trouble is coming. Someone will get hurt. Those who believe that they are entitled to unwarrented privilege are expressing the same line of arrogance as the "Friends of Lake Miona" A strong statement and prominent posting of signs by those in charge and some enforcement may reduce the probability of further trouble.

[tomwed]

Ignoring a problem , seldom solves it. These issues will cotinue to occur and probably escalate to more serious confrontations. If this were a one and gone issue, it might be ignored, but my experience tells me that trouble is coming. Someone will get hurt. Those who believe that they are entitled to unwarrented privilege are expressing the same line of arrogance as the "Friends of Lake Miona" A strong statement and prominent posting of signs by those in charge and some enforcement may reduce the probability of further trouble.
\\\\\\ I'm leaning to the left on this one.

[daveersk]

We always bring our own chairs to the squares. If the square is crowded, I walk back to the cart for our chairs.

However, not all folks are able to carry everything and make it to the square safely. We understand everyone’s getting older and look for folks to assist. Someday hopefully we will be in their place and folks will help us out.

Folks that rope off chairs are simply selfish people that most likely been that way there entire life. It’s best to not get into confrontations strangers; you never can tell how it will work out. Safe is best!

Best Regards,
Dave & Jan

[Paperboy]

GREAT IDEA!!!!!! Post signs that say "NO CHAIR SAVING"!!!!!!!!!!!

[outlaw]

I have found if you simply cut the string or rope that is reserving the seats with a 9" blade tactical knife that you carry in a belt sheath, usually no will will say anything to you.

[outlaw]

First they came for a snowbird's chair, and I did nothing. Then they came for a Floridian's chair, and I did nothing. Then they they came for my neighbor's chair, and I did nothing. Then they came for my chair, and I had to stand all night.

[Cedwards38]

Isn't crowd control, including enforcement of venue rules, a service to be provided by local law enforcement? I know I see cops at ballgames, fairs, and other places where people, alcohol, and temperaments are present.

[BS Beef]

First they came for a snowbird's chair, and I did nothing. Then they came for a Floridian's chair, and I did nothing. Then they they came for my neighbor's chair, and I did nothing. Then they came for my chair, and I had to stand all night.

That's very funny and one clever post. To you sir I say well done.
:bigbow:

[hulahips]

With so many people moving in they should enforce no seat saving to avoid confrontations. I see lately it's becoming a problem at some clubs also

[Barefoot]

GREAT IDEA - Post signs that say "NO CHAIR SAVING"!! And put a small sign on the back of every chair that says No Seat Saving!

[GMIJFI]

If the villages has policy of not saving seats at the centers, they should have a process in place for enforcing the policy.

[graciegirl]

From an ABC news story on seat saving on cruises;

Saving Seats at the Pool: OK or Not OK? - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/saving-seats-pool/story?id=16904431)

[Atlantic]

My husband and I took a friend to Spanish Springs in August, there were four empty chairs right up front which we headed for. We weren't five feet away when a man in a big cowboy hat got up and waved us off. He said "these seats are taken" I said" we'll get up when they get here." Sat there for more than an hour and no one showed up. I'm not confrontational but that really annoyed me especially after telling my friend how "friendly" people in TV are. Perhaps that's the way to go? I will admit I was pretty nervous sitting there--didn,t want a confrontation. If someone had shown up after an hour I would like to think I would have stood my ground. It's time for someone to correct the situation before it becomes worse.

[BS Beef]

From an ABC news story on seat saving on cruises;

Saving Seats at the Pool: OK or Not OK? - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/saving-seats-pool/story?id=16904431)

Indeed interesting. The problem I see is the fact that 14% of people think it's OK to "save" a seat indefinitely. It just galls me how rude people can be.

Thanks for sharing the interesting article.

[Sanibel7]

Folks please remember this. The Squares are Public. Seat Saving is an announced policy i.e... They announce it at the beginning of the entertainments set to hope that people will just respect the announcement! Just like No coolers, No Pets in the square and please watch and control your children. Well how many of these policies are actually followed also! The only enforcement on public property is the Law enforcement for that area. Seat saving is a policy .. not a law and our local law enforcement will not respond to a seat complaint. They will however react to the complications (as was originally posted here). Folks remember you are dealing with not just Villagers but anyone who wants to attend these functions. That's why we have the announcements but lets face not everyone listens! so lets as Villagers, Take the higher road and before we yell, gripe or argue... remember they might not have heard the Announcement!

[Challenger]

From an ABC news story on seat saving on cruises;

Saving Seats at the Pool: OK or Not OK? - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/saving-seats-pool/story?id=16904431)

This is the same attitude that brings us, unauthorized parking in handicap spaces, talking in a theater, and illegally cutting down trees. Most of us don't like confrontation, but ignoring issues just allows them to escalate into violent outcomes. There have only been a few reported instances thus far, however, I suspect there had been many more , unreported.

[2BNTV]

The saving seats issues will never be resolved. Too many people who are inconsiderate or selfish, tends to ruin other's experiences, at the squares.

Human nature hasn't changed in 3,000 years and you expect it to start now?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

On the other hand, a family member had too much too drink and a nice gentlemen, (Dan), offered to help carry him from his chair, to a car, as he was very unstable on his feet.

Some people are so nice.

BTW - I know what you are thinking, it wasn't me!!!!

[golfing eagles]

The saving seats issues will never be resolved. Too many people who are inconsiderate or selfish, tends to ruin other's experiences, at the squares.

Human nature hasn't changed in 3,000 years and you expect it to start now?



No, but that is why we live by the RULE OF LAW, not by whatever whim any individual has at the moment.

So IF there is a rule (not a law) against seat saving, either enforce it or get rid of it.
As far as enforcement goes, my understanding is that the roads in the squares are public, but the square itself (where the seats are) is privately owned but OPEN to the public. This makes it similar to a retail store. If you behave inappropriately at Walmart, they can BAN you from entering, even though it is OPEN to the PUBLIC. If this is true, there certainly is an enforcement option, for both residents and non-residents

[Cedwards38]

This is the same attitude that brings us, unauthorized parking in handicap spaces, talking in a theater, and illegally cutting down trees. Most of us don't like confrontation, but ignoring issues just allows them to escalate into violent outcomes. There have only been a few reported instances thus far, however, I suspect there had been many more , unreported.

Well stated. I agree, and would add that at some point one incident will escalate into a catastrophe!

[Sweet Caroline]

There are many legitimate reasons why this isn't a good solution. It is hard to carry a chair and a drink. Seriously, people with difficulties walking might not be able to manage and could no longer enjoy the squares. In the good old days, young men would jump up and help but those may well be the folks that now need help.

Maybe the young men are afraid that if they get up to assist then their seats will be stolen:-) Personally I have no problem of saving a couple of seats if the person for whom the seat was saved arrives on time when the music starts. But an hour later? NO! We have a group who loves to dance in the square so we bring our own chairs. And if someone tried to take MY chair the police would need to be called. Rude people bring their rudeness with them to the friendliest hometown. "Wherever I go, there I am". Just another sign of the times. Parents, please raise your children to be responsible adults!

[wesmin]

A solution, at 4:30 a village employee will remove all ropes pillows and any other marker of a saved seat ant place it in a large tub to be reclaimed at the owners convenience.

[biker1]

I do not think you will see that happen - too confrontational. The Villages Employees barely enforce no chairs in the "aisles", and that is a safety issue.

A solution, at 4:30 a village employee will remove all ropes pillows and any other marker of a saved seat ant place it in a large tub to be reclaimed at the owners convenience.

[golfing eagles]

I do not think you will see that happen - too confrontational. The Villages Employees barely enforce no chairs in the "aisles", and that is a safety issue.

I think a small subset of community watch employees with LEO experience wearing an official looking uniform and carrying a nightstick and a taser would probably not be confronted

[Jimturner]

I think a small subset of community watch employees with LEO experience wearing an official looking uniform and carrying a nightstick and a taser would probably not be confronted

Sounds good. Something should be done if for no other reason than common fairness. Just seeing chairs tied together creates a less favorable atmospheres for the majority. All around bad situation just to satisfy the selfishness of a minority.

[PennBF]

I like the idea of a person working for the Villages just take the stuff on bthe chair and put it in a basket for the people to pick up later if they were holding the seat. The other idea is to sit in the seat, if someone comes over to claim a saved seat tell them you are staying put AND remind them that in the State of Florida it automatically becomes aggravated assualt as opposed to simple assualt if you strike of hit or push a person over the age of 65 in Florida. And ask them if they really want to pay a stiff fine and go to jail as that will happen.
:ho:

[graciegirl]

I like the idea of a person working for the Villages just take the stuff on bthe chair and put it in a basket for the people to pick up later if they were holding the seat. The other idea is to sit in the seat, if someone comes over to claim a saved seat tell them you are staying put AND remind them that in the State of Florida it automatically becomes aggravated assualt as opposed to simple assualt if you strike of hit or push a person over the age of 65 in Florida. And ask them if they really want to pay a stiff fine and go to jail as that will happen.
:ho:



Yeah well, what if the answer is YES, followed by a huge, ugly WHOMP?

[Barefoot]

The other idea is to sit in the seat, if someone comes over to claim a saved seat tell them you are staying put AND remind them that in the State of Florida it automatically becomes aggravated assualt as opposed to simple assualt if you strike of hit or push a person over the age of 65 in Florida. And ask them if they really want to pay a stiff fine and go to jail as that will happen.

Going to the Town Squares is supposed to be a fun experience.
Surely there are solutions that don't involve hostility and confrontation.
I'd much rather skip a performance than fight with someone over a chair.

[golfing eagles]

Going to the Town Squares is supposed to be a fun experience.
Surely there are solutions that don't involve hostility and confrontation.
I'd much rather skip a performance than fight with someone over a chair.

On the other hand, we have hundreds of clubs in TV. Ever see the movie "Fight Club"?

[KeepingItReal]

Going to the Town Squares is supposed to be a fun experience.
Surely there are solutions that don't involve hostility and confrontation.
I'd much rather skip a performance than fight with someone over a chair.


Agreed, Obviously this is a well known continuous problem and the fact that the ones that could easily do something about it choose to turn a blind eye and remain totally mute on the subject says a lot about their concern for the average resident. Non enforcement or selective enforcement of the numerous rules in the compound just creates even more problems. If you have to have a confrontation at the squares to get get a seat it isn't worth going. We and our neighbors don't even consider going anymore.

[golfing eagles]

Agreed, Obviously this is a well known continuous problem and the fact that the ones that could easily do something about it choose to turn a blind eye and remain totally mute on the subject says a lot about their concern for the average resident. Non enforcement or selective enforcement of the numerous rules in the compound just creates even more problems. If you have to have a confrontation at the squares to get get a seat it isn't worth going. We and our neighbors don't even consider going anymore.



:BigApplause:

Well said

[tomwed]

Walmart sells a US Leisure Low Back Chair for $8.88. Do they even weigh a pound? One person can easily carry 2. And it's not like 2 extra chairs at home won't come in handy.

Isn't that easier than worrying about bullies or not having a chair when you know it's going to be crowded? I think it's a shame when someone gives up something they enjoy and blames it on the system not working or big brother looking the other way.

I would think Villagers more than other retirees, would tend to be problem solvers. There were so many obstacles to overcome and problems to solve in order to move here.

Something doesn't sound right.

[golfing eagles]

Walmart sells a US Leisure Low Back Chair for $8.88. Do they even weigh a pound? One person can easily carry 2. And it's not like 2 extra chairs at home won't come in handy.

Isn't that easier than worrying about bullies or not having a chair when you know it's going to be crowded? I think it's a shame when someone gives up something they enjoy and blames it on the system not working or big brother looking the other way.

I would think Villagers more than other retirees, would tend to be problem solvers. There were so many obstacles to overcome and problems to solve in order to move here.

Something doesn't sound right.

A great solution in theory---avoids confrontations, guarantees a seat, cheap and easy for most.
However, it does not address the underlying issue---rude and obnoxious people violating the policy at the expense of others. If the residents of TV do not want a no seat saving policy, then just drop it. But do not selectively enforce the rules. I can give 300 recent examples of selective law enforcement---they are called sanctuary cities, and we found out where that leads. Another recent thread dealt with a woman going from neighborhood to neighborhood reporting garden gnomes. There were many who defended her, so why ignore the seat savers?

Lastly, let's project your solution to its logical conclusion. Human nature being what it is, more and more people will start thinking "Why should I haul chairs to the square when others get away with saving them?". So more people will start saving chairs until there aren't enough chairs to "save" Then the confrontation will be between seat savers fighting each other over who gets to save THEIR chair. Same problem, different players. Maybe they deserve it.

[Barefoot]

Walmart sells a US Leisure Low Back Chair for $8.88. Do they even weigh a pound? One person can easily carry 2. And it's not like 2 extra chairs at home won't come in handy.
Something doesn't sound right.
Many people who attend the nightly entertainment come from outside the community.
Persuading them to provide their own chairs may be a bit of a stretch -- same for renters or visitors.
Especially since chairs have always been provided at all the Town Squares.

P.S. I just realized you are talking about bringing chairs in addition to chairs already provided.
Sandtrap has been recommending that for months, but his posts are only seen by readers of TOTV.
I think a much better solution is to enforce the existing policy of "No Chair Saving".

[tomwed]

A great solution in theory---avoids confrontations, guarantees a seat, cheap and easy for most.
However, it does not address the underlying issue---rude and obnoxious people violating the policy at the expense of others. If the residents of TV do not want a no seat saving policy, then just drop it. But do not selectively enforce the rules. I can give 300 recent examples of selective law enforcement---they are called sanctuary cities, and we found out where that leads. Another recent thread dealt with a woman going from neighborhood to neighborhood reporting garden gnomes. There were many who defended her, so why ignore the seat savers?

Lastly, let's project your solution to its logical conclusion. Human nature being what it is, more and more people will start thinking "Why should I haul chairs to the square when others get away with saving them?". So more people will start saving chairs until there aren't enough chairs to "save" Then the confrontation will be between seat savers fighting each other over who gets to save THEIR chair. Same problem, different players. Maybe they deserve it.
They weigh a pound, hardly a haul.
Do you want to see the free concert or change the free world?

[Jima64]

Yeah well, what if the answer is YES, followed by a huge, ugly WHOMP?

You call the police and have them arrested.

[golfing eagles]

They weigh a pound, hardly a haul.
Do you want to see the free concert or change the free world?

Your point????
The reason we have a "free world" is because of our laws
Do you suggest ignoring or working around the lawbreakers if there is an easy alternative?
Let's ignore the DUI laws---we can stay off the roads when they're out
Let's ignore burglars---we can replace what they steal
Let's ignore pedophiles---we don't have any young children living here
Let's ignore ISIS----we can convert to Islam
Where do we draw the line on which rules to enforce and which to allow violations?

[outlaw]

Yeah well, what if the answer is YES, followed by a huge, ugly WHOMP?

Sometimes you have to take one for the team. Where's your community spirit?

[outlaw]

I thought the developer solved this issue at Brownwood. Don't they keep the chairs locked up or inaccessible until about 30 minutes before the entertainment starts? If so, why not do this at the other town centers? an alternative would be to post some professionally made signs that politely say "No chair saving, please." Then, one would just need to point out the sign to anyone who insists on saving a seat. I think that would take care of probably 99% of the problem. A similar tactic is used in the fitness centers. Each machine has a little sign on it stating "Do your reps and move on." A little more direct, but it seems to work. It helps to keep people from homesteading a machine in their attempt to sculpt their obese bodies while they're surfing the net on their smart phones between sets.

[tomwed]

The reason we have a "free world" is because of our laws
Do you suggest ignoring or working around the lawbreakers if there is an easy alternative?

I do.

I grew up in the city. Streetsmarts kept me relatively safe.
[the experience and knowledge necessary to deal with the potential difficulties or dangers of life in an urban environment.]

Let's ignore the DUI laws---we can stay off the roads when they're out

I don't drink and drive. So I don't ignore the laws. But years ago when it was more common I would stay off the roads when I knew there was a lot of celebrating going on.

Let's ignore burglars---we can replace what they steal
I lock the doors.

Let's ignore pedophiles---we don't have any young children living here

I don't worry about pedophies in The Villages. When I have grandchildren I won't be afraid to supervise them at the squares or the pools. I don't want them going through life being afraid of strangers.

Let's ignore ISIS----we can convert to Islam
I don't worry about ISIS in the US. I still fly, go to national monuments, vacation where ever I want. I flew home last week and when I was boarding when I got to my seat there was a computer bag under the seat next to me., no person, no one around. I got the stewardess right away. She told me the owner was in the bathroom at the back of the plane and I did the right thing. So I'm aware of my surroundings but I don't worry.

Where do we draw the line on which rules to enforce and which to allow violations?

Pee Wee Herman has a right to park his bike at a biker bar, and order a sasperella but if you ask my street smart friends, I think they will agree that he's asking for trouble.

I've never felt safer than I do now. I want others to think it out too. That's my point.

[golfing eagles]

The reason we have a "free world" is because of our laws
Do you suggest ignoring or working around the lawbreakers if there is an easy alternative?

I do.

I grew up in the city. Streetsmarts kept me relatively safe.
[the experience and knowledge necessary to deal with the potential difficulties or dangers of life in an urban environment.]

Let's ignore the DUI laws---we can stay off the roads when they're out

I don't drink and drive. So I don't ignore the laws. But years ago when it was more common I would stay off the roads when I knew there was a lot of celebrating going on.

Let's ignore burglars---we can replace what they steal
I lock the doors.

Let's ignore pedophiles---we don't have any young children living here

I don't worry about pedophies in The Villages. When I have grandchildren I won't be afraid to supervise them at the squares or the pools. I don't want them going through life being afraid of strangers.

Let's ignore ISIS----we can convert to Islam
I don't worry about ISIS in the US. I still fly, go to national monuments, vacation where ever I want. I flew home last week and when I was boarding when I got to my seat there was a computer bag under the seat next to me., no person, no one around. I got the stewardess right away. She told me the owner was in the bathroom at the back of the plane and I did the right thing. So I'm aware of my surroundings but I don't worry.

Where do we draw the line on which rules to enforce and which to allow violations?

Pee Wee Herman has a right to park his bike at a biker bar, and order a sasperella but if you ask my street smart friends, I think they will agree that he's asking for trouble.

I've never felt safer than I do now. I want others to think it out too. .

So, in other words, you ARE advocating ignoring enforcement of existing laws when it is expedient to do so. No problem, the purpose of a forum is to express opinions. I just happen to disagree, I think this is the first step down the path to anarchy.

[tomwed]

You lived in Brooklyn. What years? I lived in Jersey City, Secaucus and Newark. It's funny how we think so differently.
Take a look at this---I think you will enjoy it.
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[JCMSr]

Not sure if this is correct but I was recently told that the problem with Villages personnel doing anything about the seat saving violations is that they have no legal power to enforce these rules. If that is true then how does someone get banned from the squares as we know happened in a different confrontation? And if there was never any intention to enforce these rules why post the signs and make the announcements in the first place!

Nothing irritates me more than those who think that the rules are for everyone else to abide by but do not apply to them. If a situation presented itself whereby there were no other available seats except a group of roped off seats with nobody in them I would not hesitate to sit down. Unfortunately I would be alone since my wife prefers to avoid any and all confrontation at all costs. The difference in attitude could be because I am 6'2" and 250 lbs. while she is 5'4" and less than half my weight (I dare not say exactly).

[Challenger]

I thought the developer solved this issue at Brownwood. Don't they keep the chairs locked up or inaccessible until about 30 minutes before the entertainment starts? If so, why not do this at the other town centers? an alternative would be to post some professionally made signs that politely say "No chair saving, please." Then, one would just need to point out the sign to anyone who insists on saving a seat. I think that would take care of probably 99% of the problem. A similar tactic is used in the fitness centers. Each machine has a little sign on it stating "Do your reps and move on." A little more direct, but it seems to work. It helps to keep people from homesteading a machine in their attempt to sculpt their obese bodies while they're surfing the net on their smart phones between sets.

The signs and notices also ligetimize those who then occupy saved but unused chairs and may well reduce confrontation.

[tomwed]

"No chair saving, please." Then, one would just need to point out the sign to anyone who insists on saving a seat. I think that would take care of probably 99% of the problem.
I think this is a great idea. Thank-you

I would take it one step further. Make a template "No chair saving, please" and spray paint it on every chair. No one could say they didn't know.

[Boomer]

It seems like there are now more asses among the masses. It is sad and too bad. But I choose my battles and chair traffic control is not one of them.

And I still like going to the squares from time to time. It is so nice to have the option of deciding last minute to go out and about for some entertainment. We like Lenny Wilson And Uncle Bob. We also like to stand around on the periphery of the energy that comes from Scooter and his crowd.

I do have concerns though that TV eventually could end up analogous to a big lab experiment where way too many rats are crammed into a maze.

But, for now, see you at the squares sometime. :wave:

[outlaw]

Not sure if this is correct but I was recently told that the problem with Villages personnel doing anything about the seat saving violations is that they have no legal power to enforce these rules. If that is true then how does someone get banned from the squares as we know happened in a different confrontation? And if there was never any intention to enforce these rules why post the signs and make the announcements in the first place!

Nothing irritates me more than those who think that the rules are for everyone else to abide by but do not apply to them. If a situation presented itself whereby there were no other available seats except a group of roped off seats with nobody in them I would not hesitate to sit down. Unfortunately I would be alone since my wife prefers to avoid any and all confrontation at all costs. The difference in attitude could be because I am 6'2" and 250 lbs. while she is 5'4" and less than half my weight (I dare not say exactly).

In this particular case, you SHOULD avoid confrontation at all costs!

[MusicLover]

I'm not a fan of the seat saving. That being said it's a shame it would come to that in any case. Maybe I'm just too passive but I just find my own space and/or enjoy something else around the square(s).

I am going to join those saying if that's the policy then the policy needs to be enforced. What's wrong with having a section where you can save seats and the rest is open?
I agree I'm not a fan of saving seats but it's not a deal breaker, I'll still go. Maybe a reserved section would be a reasonable compromise? Either way the venue management should do at least a little rule enforcement once in a while.

[Radioman41]

Last Saturday at Brownwood the announcer stated, among other things, no seat saving is allowed. This is the first time I have heard this statement.

[bigrig353]

How about acting your age?

[CFrance]

I agree I'm not a fan of saving seats but it's not a deal breaker, I'll still go. Maybe a reserved section would be a reasonable compromise? Either way the venue management should do at least a little rule enforcement once in a while.

Good attitude and great idea, MusicLover.:ho:

[Shadmama]

Isn't crowd control, including enforcement of venue rules, a service to be provided by local law enforcement? I know I see cops at ballgames, fairs, and other places where people, alcohol, and temperaments are present.

No, it isn't. The officers you have seen at the events you listed are working part-time jobs. The venue had approached the local police department letting them know they were going to need services. It would then be put out to officers. An officer would have to be approved by the department to work the job. The venue would pay the officer directly.

The events being discussed here are on private property [page 5 of this thread: The Villages Entertainment * Special Events Department (352) 750-5411]. Private property entertainment is equal to a retail store as Golfing Eagles pointed out, private security would be used.

[capecodbob]

Part of life is making choices. You can go to the square, see the roped off chairs and turn a blind eye. Or you can just take off the ropes and seat pads, pile them out back, and let others who are older and weaker enjoy a front row seat. I choose the latter.
]

[biker1]

Chairs were available at least an hour, and probably sooner, on saturday at Brownwood. This is typical from what I have observed.

I thought the developer solved this issue at Brownwood. Don't they keep the chairs locked up or inaccessible until about 30 minutes before the entertainment starts? If so, why not do this at the other town centers? an alternative would be to post some professionally made signs that politely say "No chair saving, please." Then, one would just need to point out the sign to anyone who insists on saving a seat. I think that would take care of probably 99% of the problem. A similar tactic is used in the fitness centers. Each machine has a little sign on it stating "Do your reps and move on." A little more direct, but it seems to work. It helps to keep people from homesteading a machine in their attempt to sculpt their obese bodies while they're surfing the net on their smart phones between sets.

[capecodbob]

Oh, if you've been there for a while, and it's a big crowd, and you see a couple searching for seats, get up and invite them to sit in your seats.

[genobambino]

Absolutely the Villages needs to enforce this. Heck they enforce every other rule they have.

[Miles42]

Inconsiderate people have been that way all their lives. Moving here is not going to a cure for it. Enforce rules and on a second violation ban the jerks.

[Wandatime]

Each chair should be stenciled on the back and seat with the following:

***NO SEAT SAVING***
If your seat isn't in this seat, then it isn't your seat

[tomwed]

Each chair should be stenciled on the back and seat with the following:


I like it.
Did you ever find a golf ball?
I once found a golf ball down here with 2 words on it "not yours".
If I do bring a chair, I think that's what I'll put on it.

[pgc4340]

and so it begins......

"Officially, “saving” seats at the squares is prohibited in The Villages."
My personal opinion is that if you make a rule, enforce the rule. That way there is no question as to what is permitted and what is expected, and conflict is less likely to ensue

We have lived here for 20 plus years and "saving" seats has always been a problem. We started taking our own chairs when going to the squares after one Cinco de Mayo celebration at Spanish Springs. There was a large section of seats roped off for the "Spanish" Club, with only a handful of seats ever used. Event planning would not let anyone use the chairs which were never used all night long. I really hope that someone starts enforcing this rule so there is equal opportunity for all, especially for residents who pay amenity fees. When The Villages started advertising all the areas being open to the general public, we saw a great increase in problems which still exist to this day.

[cmj1210]

I think whenever the music starts everyone has to dance. And whenever it stops everyone has to run to a chair. Whoever is left standing, has to go home.


I agree with Tom then we also get some exercise in. Maybe medals for 1st, 2nd & 3rd place. [emoji6]

[cmj1210]

How about putting up signs on the squares that saving seats is prohibited? How are people to know (especially non-residents) unless they are told?

So everyone can enjoy the
Entertainment
NO SEAT SAVING PLEASE


Jim, they know. It's always the same people doing the saving.

[SABRMnLgs]

Take away ALL the chairs a few times. Maybe it will teach the rule breakers a lesson. What then, "You can't stand here, this standing spot is reserved"?

[Boomer]

Take away ALL the chairs a few times. Maybe it will teach the rule breakers a lesson. What then, "You can't stand here, this standing spot is reserved"?

Not so much of a reach as you might think. Ever been to a water aerobics class?

[tomwed]

Jim, they know. It's always the same people doing the saving.
You would hope they would be more chairatable.

[loolah]

Right on, Boomer! Lots of rules here that I do not see enforced such as organized aerobics classes in neighborhood rather than sport pools. As for traffic rules - a different story - can't have cops everywhere to monitor rude, inconsiderate and dangerous behavior - yesterday afternoon a Villager driving a four-seater golf cart came out onto Pinellas Place at Bradenton Rec. Ctr. doing about 20 mph and right through the stop sign. His newspaper was in his lap as he headed into Bonifay CC. Guess he missed the Stop sign or thought it was for someone else while scanning the headlines.

[tomwed]

Right on, Boomer! Lots of rules here that I do not see enforced such as organized aerobics classes in neighborhood rather than sport pools. As for traffic rules - a different story - can't have cops everywhere to monitor rude, inconsiderate and dangerous behavior - yesterday afternoon a Villager driving a four-seater golf cart came out onto Pinellas Place at Bradenton Rec. Ctr. doing about 20 mph and right through the stop sign. His newspaper was in his lap as he headed into Bonifay CC. Guess he missed the Stop sign or thought it was for someone else while scanning the headlines.
;;;;.

[mickey100]

You would hope they would be more chairatable.

:bigbow:

[DigitalGranny]

We live in paradise. Are we really arguing over empty plastic chairs? Many of the Seat savers at SS are not villagers. I think they try to assert their "rights" to prove they belong. I disagree that taking away the seats is a solution. Just have event staff there removing the cushions, ribbons, and tape. I like being able to walk around or dance and then plop down in a chair and rest. I don't want to carry a chair! There really are lots of seats if we just take turns using them!

[TheVillageChicken]

I find this study to be very interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/allsteel29/meta-chart.jpeg

[golfing eagles]

I find this study to be very interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/allsteel29/meta-chart.jpeg

:1rotfl:

[Boomer]

I find this study to be very interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/allsteel29/meta-chart.jpeg


Just you wait, Village Chicken. Just you wait.:)

Your work here is creative and funny and even has pretty colors. But I just bet somebody is going to take umbrage.

Anyway, thanks for a smile this morning.........actually, more than a smile. I laughed out loud.

[Taltarzac725]

I find this study to be very interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/allsteel29/meta-chart.jpeg




I know some people who fit in a lot of those categories. A line dancer who is a pet lover who lives in Stonecrest and goes to the Episcopalian Church and used to live in Boston and followed the Patriots.

[golfing eagles]

I know some people who fit in a lot of those categories. A line dancer who is a pet lover who lives in Stonecrest and goes to the Episcopalian Church and used to live in Boston and followed the Patriots.

Wow---That person must save A LOT of chairs

[Walter123]

I find this study to be very interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/allsteel29/meta-chart.jpeg

I love it! I have a Question though. You have line dancers at 42%. Was that before or after we found out they can pack a punch?

[tomwed]

I find this study to be very interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/allsteel29/meta-chart.jpeg
Bravo
My fav is Patriot Fans.
Do the Patriot Fans that bring their own chairs bring the inflatable ones? They seem to be sitting a little lower than everyone else.

[Mikeod]

Bravo
My fav is Patriot Fans.
Do the Patriot Fans that bring their own chairs bring the inflatable ones?
Yes, and inflated to precisely 12.5 PSI.

[MikeyBoo54]

:bigbow:

[MikeyBoo54]

Each chair should be stenciled on the back and seat with the following:



Well said

:coolsmiley:

[Greg Nelson]

cool hand luc!

[Jima64]

Just you wait, Village Chicken. Just you wait.:)

Your work here is creative and funny and even has pretty colors. But I just bet somebody is going to take umbrage.

Anyway, thanks for a smile this morning.........actually, more than a smile. I laughed out loud.

Must say it does look official.

[Jima64]

Wow 300 bucks to save a chair. Thank of the beer that could vuy.

[golfing eagles]

Wow 300 bucks to save a chair. Thank of the beer that could vuy.

300 buck of beer? You wouldn't need a chair, as you lie there passed out in the gutter.

[bunnyhop]

When I go to the square and there are no seats, but I see more than two seats roped off or saved in some other manner, I'll have a seat in one of those seats and If the "saver" is there, I tell them, "I'm only sitting here until your party arrives and then will get up and allow them to have this seat. Until then, I'm going to rest here in the meantime." No one has ever had a problem with that ... nor should they. :-)

[buzzy]

I find this study to be very interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/allsteel29/meta-chart.jpeg

I am assuming that drunks are evenly distributed in those population groups.

[dillywho]

I thought the developer solved this issue at Brownwood. Don't they keep the chairs locked up or inaccessible until about 30 minutes before the entertainment starts? If so, why not do this at the other town centers? an alternative would be to post some professionally made signs that politely say "No chair saving, please." Then, one would just need to point out the sign to anyone who insists on saving a seat. I think that would take care of probably 99% of the problem. A similar tactic is used in the fitness centers. Each machine has a little sign on it stating "Do your reps and move on." A little more direct, but it seems to work. It helps to keep people from homesteading a machine in their attempt to sculpt their obese bodies while they're surfing the net on their smart phones between sets.

Unfortunately, when you add the word "please", many will take that as an "if you want to comply" statement. The direct approach will work better with this issue like it does at the fitness centers. IMHO

Sometimes, like a mule, you just have to get their attention.:girlneener: