Moratorium on the Political Thread

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I think we should initiate a moratorium on the Political Thread. I think the thread is out of hand and can only lead to damaged friendships. It is plain to see that members cannot or will not hold back their rhetoric and vitriol. Members are now cutting and pasting page long tirades. If one were to look up the word forum the meanings given would be discussion, debate and roundtable. We are now bordering on attacks on members for their beliefs. Members are being sarcastic to each other. I feel the Administrators should close down the forum for a one month period and let things cool down. If I am over ruled, at least I can say I tried to do something to stop the madness.... JohnnyM

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I agree with Johnny. :agree:

I usually just ignore the political thread, but I think its out of control and when we start calling our "neighbors" names, there is NOTHING to benefit from that. We're also not going to change anyone's mind, so its a useless waste of time and not what I want from my fellow villagers.

Cut the thread, for now, until after the elections. OR, Folks, let's behave with human kindness and let the votes decide... What's say?? Wanna give it a try?

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That's the reason I NEVER read or look at it.

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I don't read it.

some people love to argue

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I so agree with Kathie and John and Johnny and rhoffer. I am so disappointed at a side of people that I see on the forum. I can't believe that it is a form of patriotism. It is just plain ugly.

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This is the ONLY time I have replied to a "political" thread. Perhaps, because it isn't exactly one. Thanks JohnnyM.

Those who wrote that they never read them have the right idea for themselves. There are others, however, who get a charge out of them (not me that's for sure). I doubt that as long as these threads are permitted on this forum they will cease to exist. Just as those who like movies, sports, music, etc post, those who wish to discuss politics will do so, too. Let's hope that a thread on why one's religion is the best or another's is not does not start.
Excuse me now; signing off to go to church. bye :)

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I don't read it and probably never will, although occasionally I will see a topic on the front page that interests me and I get there without realizing.
Why even bother TALKING about staying away form it? Just stay away.

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I am hoping that the new and improved version of the Forum software that TalkHost announced will include some customizable filtering features.... e.g. each member can select forum areas or individual member posts that they wish to ignore.

I, too, try to ignore the political posts and most certainly very rarely ever respond to them. Our national politics have become so polarizing in us vs them, red vs blue, liberal vs conservative, etc conflicts. Unfortunately, these political conflicts spill over and turn into personal conflicts and attacks on people who otherwise are or could be good friends.

All that being said, a moratorium seems like a suppression of free speech, something most of us would discourage. Better yet, ignore political or if you choose to participate please re-read your posts before hitting SAVE and try to smooth out the rough edges and remove personal attacks of both TOTV members and the candidates. It's all about the Issues.

On the other hand, it's a beautiful morning in The Villages and a great day to be alive and enjoying the good life.

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You are right 07 It is a beautiful day in TV's!!! Hoping the rain will hold for a little longer!

AS for Johnny's post...fine....I will give it a try. However I will say the one good thing that has come out of this forum. I was never involved much....nor did I care much about politics....
This forum TOTV's has brought to light so much....whether true or not...that it has made me become more aware of what is going on in our country. Certainly I knew about the war...and several other issues, but I never really took the time to educate myself about a lot of them. I heard the news and typically took it for truth.

So Johnny....as you said in a previous post that it would be shameful for people not to vote....well my friend I am now registered to vote here in FL and will be voting in the presidential elections this year for the first time in many, many years.

so while I can not stand how nasty people have been and I know I have voiced my opinion as well...I have opened my eyes and heart to a new mind set. I will educate myself this year....listen to the debates....and VOTE for my choice.....

Thanks Johnny for this thread...but I also wanted to let you know that there is one more voter in the world!

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I'm new, but I ventured over there.
Neighbors are just unbelievably mean spirited there. not everyone, some post intelligent, balanced, thought provoking posts.....but some are rabidly attacking others. It shows a side of The Villages I hoped and never thought existed.

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm a moderator on another BIG forum, and we there have a "Terms of Service". It outlines common sense rules. If someone violates those rules, Mods can delete a post, delete a thread, close a thread for a time, violate the poster and "ban" then for so many days, or even permanently.
Yes, it has the result of being a bit less free, but every river needs banks or else you have a flood. Some people just cannot "play by the rules", and sadly must be policed for the betterment of all.

It is amazing how some can be so bold and rude hiding behind a monitor...they (I think) would never be that way face to face.

With most here actually knowing each other and being neighbors, it adds even MORE concern.

Do you have "Mods" here ??

Frank D.

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Frank you seem a gentle soul, and for that I commend you. Because of that I also don't want you to have wrong impressions of The Villages.

1st...TOTV is not The Villages.
Many who contribute to this Forum live in TV, but I would venture to guess that
there are more wanna-be's than residents. I would also bet that there are several
who will never move to The Villages and just like to stir things up on whatever forum
they visit.

2nd... I believe that the membership size of this forum is only about a 1/16th of the
population of TV...(and remember there are many who don't live in TV at all). Of
that 1/16th who belong to this (Club) there are probably only about 1 -2% that
post regularly.

My point ... you can not judge The Villages by a few ornery opinionated people anymore than you can by the rose colored glasses of those who have drunk the Koolaid.
Now I respect you enough to know that you know that.

I am also going to assume that you and everyone else knows that anywhere in the world when you talk religion or politics there is war. Literally!

Mankind's innate need to be right is one of mankind's biggest downfall's. It closes minds, opens mouths to hurtful words, devastates families and ravages countries. Why would it be any different here? If you are going to have a political forum it is going to be ugly at times...maybe most of the time. Same thing if we had a religious forum. People just want to be right and the less they know the more they slander.

My last last opinion...I think our Admin's do a great job. I would not vote for censorship, I would however vote twice for "maturity". Funny how that is not necessarily a guarantee in the aging process.

I do have one request...perhaps the new posts as listed on the Home page could have one more identifier besides the Topic headline. Maybe the Forum that it is in could also be identified.

I know I am amazed that I have been posting in the political forum, but I keep thinking I am going to learn something from the accumulated wisdom of the members. So far it has been pretty slim pickin's.

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Excellent post Susan.

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Susan&Tom, well said. We don't need censorship. What we need is a little more empathy and concern for our fellow neighbors. Not just our neighbors in TV, our neighbors in a much broader sense. Let's try to show our neighbors from across our country and perhaps across the world that we can be civil to each other even in the face of controversy. Surly we can all agree to disagree and walk away friends. I would vote, not to close this thread. I would also ask anyone who posts to this thread to check their information. Too much of what is being posted are just out and out lies and half truths. Do your homework, and let's play nice. :)

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I only posted once in there and haven't really followed it. It is very easy to ignore, I just don't go there. I say leave it open and let people hang themselves. If they want to make enemies then so be it. If it were a true friendship, as opposed to just a Forum friendship, then it would never happen.

When I get down there I'll find out soon enough when I talk with people, play golf with them etc. what type of person they are. If they are 'my type' then we will become friends. We can't be real friends with everyone! But we can be civil towards one another and respect each other - even on a Forum.

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I am sure some of you will be delighted that I choose not to post in The Political Forum at this time. This is an extremely heated campaign and as said by others, and I've said myself, we're not going to change each others minds.

With that said, I do not agree with censorship of this nature. That's just wrong and quite frankly, un-American. (Not speaking to you directly Johnny because your great love of our country is evident.)

As Susan points out, many of these people do not live in The Villages. They may be wannabe's, but that has yet to happen and may not happen at all.

I never discuss politics in a social gathering, EVER, or religion for that matter. Just my own rule of thumb. My personal friends are not chosen by the candidate or party they are affiliated with. I agree with Russ's comment about True Friendship versus Forum Friendship.

So, I am asking the admins to leave up the Political Forum strictly on the stand of Freedom of Speech, and I am also asking the people on BOTH sides of the political aisle to take the "higher road".

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Political forum is waste of bandwidth,no one is going to change anyone's mind or position.
The downside is members possibly becoming uncivilized toward each other and creating hard feelings.
My .02

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I disagree with censorship. BUT

We need some deep breaths here.

A few steps back. A walk. A look at this lovely day. Check the Hurricane. Have lunch out.

Or as my darling granddaughter would say it so succintly. :arrow:


CHILL!
;)

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I agree GG - I'm walking over the TPC of Boston (about a 5 iron away from my house) to watch the 3rd round of the Deutsche Bank tournament and just CHILL.

Beautiful day here - 76 degrees and NO humidity.

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I agree with Susan and Tom. Also with JimOO7.

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The name calling from both sides needs to stop. Just showing your immaturity.

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I disagree with censorship. BUT

We need some deep breaths here.

A few steps back. A walk. A look at this lovely day. Check the Hurricane. Have lunch out.

Or as my darling granddaughter would say it so succintly. :arrow:


CHILL!
;)
:agree: Enjoy this beautiful day. Stop argueing. We agree to disagree and the votes will decide. GG Your grand is such a smart child! "chill" I love it! Or as my grown son (I miss him soooo much!) always says at the end of our phone conversations, "I love you mom, peace"............ "Peace", I wonder where he got that from?? I guess I instilled a calmness to his being and he always makes me smile when he says it. To everyone at TOTV, Peace!!!

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Good posts....
I do understand that TOTV is only a small part of the total "Villages experience".

As I've said before, we are new here, and do not have our future in TV, but down the road a few miles. I cannot retire from the Fire Dept for a couple of more years, and being here kind of helps us feel connected with others who have invested in the "55+ Gated Central Florida" lifestyle.

Being new here, I am not at all criticizing how this forum is or should be run....that would be very brazen of me, and I am totally not doing that. I was only relating what has worked on other forums I have experience in, and perhaps throwing that out as an alternative to censorship.

I'm sure you have rules here. I think I remember agreeing to them before I was able to register. Like others have said here, there perhaps are just a few who may benefit from a reminder of those rules.

I appreciate the kind welcome we have received here. Anyone who has been able to do what we have all done in investing in this lifestyle are truly blessed.

Frank D.

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Moratorium is not censorship, just a freeze for a short period of time to regroup. This can be done without the involvement of the Admin's. I am glad this post has brought so many of us to realize something should be done to civilize this topic.
Sam started a thread called Chatters Talk: Happy or Sad, and it has become very, very popular and the format is very, very simple. If we ran the Political thread (not forum) that way I think most of our problems would be solved. The Political Forum has almost four full pages of different topics, a lot of them "trouble maker" threads. If there are too many different topics it tends to breed and open the door to mis-posts and nastiness. If there was only one Political thread that all members posted on to share legitimate information or ask political questions, there is less of a chance that hard feelings can take place. Posters would have to be more civil, like it or not, as they will be challenged and corrected. As of now, as Susan has correctly stated, some outsider can post something, start a riot and then just move on and start another topic in the forum and cause yet more angst. Cassie made a great point that this forum has got her inspired to vote as she has gleaned important information from our members. That is a good thing. Maybe this type of format will do exactly that without the bitterness.
In any event, thank you all for your insights and answering in an adult manner, Johnny

Benj, I am sure those troops appreciated your kindness and respect towards them :bigthumbsup:

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I try very hard to not read anything in the political forum because it is full of misinformation, name calling, and people who are so biased in their views they couldn't see something wrong with their candidate if they committed murder. It has caused me to really wonder what kind of people live in TV. I try to remember it is just a few who cause these problems, but that is hard to do. I even stopped coming here for a long time and stopped posting because of all the trash talk in political topics.

The problem is I can't always identify if a topic is of political nature. Some are very evident by the title and others are not. The only time I get there is by looking at the sidebar topics and opening one in error. I just wish they could somehow highlight them in a different color, make the print italics, some way so those of us who want to not be exposed to the drivel in there could avoid it.

It shocks me that supposed intelligent people can be so dumb when it comes to politics.

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I never go there. I was told thats where all the Buffalo went.

Seriously I think the political thread should be eliminated as it serves no purpose...........

close friend of Herbert Hoover fumar

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The problem is I can't always identify if a topic is of political nature. Some are very evident by the title and others are not. The only time I get there is by looking at the sidebar topics and opening one in error. I just wish they could somehow highlight them in a different color, make the print italics, some way so those of us who want to not be exposed to the drivel in there could avoid it.

I completely agree I2. And lately it seems that, that sidebar, has had many threads that sound sane and intriguing....as if they may contain viable information, pertinent to decision making for this election. Sadly that is rarely the case.

Here is a which came first, the chicken or the egg type question...

Did the candidates learn from the populace to disrespect, lie about, distort the issues, hide agenda's and not mean or stand behind what they say, or did the populace learn from them?

Was there ever a time when our elected representatives had the courage to stand for what they believe and risk disapproval?
Yes, I know they can't do any good if they don't get elected, and there is always compromise (more like sell out these days) in politics, but wouldn't it be refreshing to have a politician you could trust?
Sorry, I am pretty cynical these days, but I do mean what I say...course I am not running for any office.

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Hahahahah Fumar! 1rnfl Is that where the Buffalo went? Now where do the deer and the antelope play? ;D Oh that's right they're being barbecued at Gary's house on the 9th! :joke:

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Leave the Political Forum alone. I have never been there but based on what I am reading here it is a place where mean spirited people get to call each other nasty names. So be it. Better there than on this or any other of the civilized forums.
If you close it or even declare a moratorium they will vent their mean spiritedness (Sp?) somewhere else and I bet this will be their forum of choice.

DC

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I'm with downeaster, leave it there and give 'em a place to duke it out, good or bad,
just preface the top with a warning.

OR...

Open a new forum

The Mud Pit

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I truly love political debate. When done without the namecalling and mudslinging, it can be informative and fun. For quite awhile, I ignored the political forum because of all the meanness. I've posted a few times recently but not often. If it went the way of do-do bird, I would not mind.

Like Frank, I own a large board and moderate another one. We have three set rules in both -- no foul language, no political discussions, no religious discussions. Everything else is pretty much open with moderators stepping in when necessary.

I would say the moratorium is a good idea but I'm afraid that the venom would just spill over to other forums. Probably the same would hold true if this forum were closed down.

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I don't agree with a moratorium.

Like it's been said it would probably just go somewhere else.

And what would be the fun in that.

Just keep all the JUNK in 1 place. That way we will know what to avoid or jump into.

I personally have not commented on the race one way or another but I HAVE HAD SOME FUN READING IT.

This morning I was listening to Senator's Bill Dodd & Fred Thompson on CNN.

I said to my wife, It's like reading the posts on TOTV.

So what I'm saying is what is being said is going to be said anyway.

This is why we have a secret ballot....... THANK GOD......... oops I probably offended an atheist

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This is why we have a secret ballot....... THANK GOD......... oops I probably offended an atheist


Just say....God or whatever or whoever....works well with everyone....

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I have been gone for the last few days and even though the laptop ended up going along, I peeked in only a couple of times. But when that big announcement was made last week, I know that I flipped on the laptop when I returned to the hotel to see what was going on around here.

Ruckus? Donnybrook? Knock-Down-Drag-Out?

I really do not know and I did not read much of any of it. I just skimmed through a few things. But I wanted to know what the lay of the land was around here. Even though I already knew. I admit. And I admit that sometimes I just plain old gotta look. But if there was a memo saying that I had to look, I somehow missed it.

And maybe I did miss something really vile. I don't know.

But what I do know is that I think those of you who want the forum pulled have the very kindest of intentions. I really do think that. Really.

But I also think that pulling it points us toward a slippery slope. A really, really slippery slope.

And I also think that our admins are pretty darned savvy about pulling individual posts that go over the top. And I have noticed that this place tends to self correct overall.

This election will go down in history more than the rest. More people than ever will remember the losing candidates' names forever. More people than ever want and need to talk about it. As uncomfotable as that may get sometimes, it really is a good thing.

I also think that we know here at TOTV that we enter the Political Forum at our own risk. I know manners should be relatively minded, but that is far different from pulling an entire forum.

Remember those teachers who used that whole group punishment method. How did you like that?

Choosing whether or not to enter the Political Forum is a lot like choosing whether or not to bring up certain topics at an extended family dinner table. I know I make rules for myself where that's concerned. Thanksgiving Dinner comes to mind. I prefer to keep it the Hallmark version. But that's my choice. "Choice" is the operative word.

So my vote is cast for letting the admins do what they know so well how to do. And for taking a step back from the slippery slope of pulling political controversy all together. Even temporarily.

Ruckus? Donnybrook? Knock-Down-Drag-Out?

Hah!

Just wait until they start a Sports Forum.

And just so you know. Tomorrow when I am out and about, I will stop by the bookstore. It is the release date for "American Wife." I will buy it. Read it. And I will post in the Book Forum. Not the Political Forum. That is the right place for it. Really. That I do know. And that one is going to stir some real controversy from what I understand from the pre-pub stuff.

Boomer

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Just wait until they start a Sports Forum



THEY DID.....I COULD PROBABLY POST ON THERE...I KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT SPORTS AS I DID ABOUT POLITICS A FEW MONTHS AGO....MAYBE I COULD LEARN ABOUT SPORTS NEXT!! ALTHOUGH I HAVE LOOKED AT A FEW THREADS AND IT SCARED ME ON THE FORUM....THE SPORTS THAT IS!!

;D

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I'd rather have a moratorium on politics ,

maybe have a king for awhile,

King Fumar??

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I think Fumar has a campaign manager.... SAM! 040

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I will be accepting funds for his election to this post. Cash only please. You can give it to me at Crispers. Like most pols, I will be lining my pockets..Oops, I meant using this money for a good cause. crap :a20:

Uhoh :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop: :cop:
Therefore I vote not to put a moratorium on the political thread. Fu and I need the money.

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I have been gone for the last few days and even though the laptop ended up going along, I peeked in only a couple of times. But when that big announcement was made last week, I know that I flipped on the laptop when I returned to the hotel to see what was going on around here.

Ruckus? Donnybrook? Knock-Down-Drag-Out?

I really do not know and I did not read much of any of it. I just skimmed through a few things. But I wanted to know what the lay of the land was around here. Even though I already knew. I admit. And I admit that sometimes I just plain old gotta look. But if there was a memo saying that I had to look, I somehow missed it.

And maybe I did miss something really vile. I don't know.

But what I do know is that I think those of you who want the forum pulled have the very kindest of intentions. I really do think that. Really.

But I also think that pulling it points us toward a slippery slope. A really, really slippery slope.

And I also think that our admins are pretty darned savvy about pulling individual posts that go over the top. And I have noticed that this place tends to self correct overall.

This election will go down in history more than the rest. More people than ever will remember the losing candidates' names forever. More people than ever want and need to talk about it. As uncomfotable as that may get sometimes, it really is a good thing.

I also think that we know here at TOTV that we enter the Political Forum at our own risk. I know manners should be relatively minded, but that is far different from pulling an entire forum.

Remember those teachers who used that whole group punishment method. How did you like that?

Choosing whether or not to enter the Political Forum is a lot like choosing whether or not to bring up certain topics at an extended family dinner table. I know I make rules for myself where that's concerned. Thanksgiving Dinner comes to mind. I prefer to keep it the Hallmark version. But that's my choice. "Choice" is the operative word.

So my vote is cast for letting the admins do what they know so well how to do. And for taking a step back from the slippery slope of pulling political controversy all together. Even temporarily.

Ruckus? Donnybrook? Knock-Down-Drag-Out?

Hah!

Just wait until they start a Sports Forum.

And just so you know. Tomorrow when I am out and about, I will stop by the bookstore. It is the release date for "American Wife." I will buy it. Read it. And I will post in the Book Forum. Not the Political Forum. That is the right place for it. Really. That I do know. And that one is going to stir some real controversy from what I understand from the pre-pub stuff.

Boomer



You are right as always CincyBoomerino. It was too much for me. I am toooooo thin skinned for all that drama. (Boomer there was gross exaggeration and shouting) But I am for the first amendment. YUP.

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With that said, I do not agree with censorship of this nature.* That's just wrong and quite frankly, un-American.*
Well, well.* Once again, Chels, I agree wholeheartedly with you. :o ;D

As one who posts to the political thread and, quite frankly, am entertained by it, I support its' continued existence.* Putting a "moratorium" on it is like putting a moratorium on free speech.* Hey, Obama, you are prohibited from expressing yourself, oh, let's see, for 60 days!* Oh, McCain, you too.* But don't worry, it's only a "moratorium."

We are America because we don't do these sorts of things.* If there is no political thread, the opinions will pop out somewhere else on this forum.* At least now we can tell such commentators where to go* :cop: --- the "political thread."

See how the political thread has brought folks together? Chelsea and Little Woofer.

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You can poke fun at the idea of a moratorium mucci, but at least I tried to do something. If posters to the Political Forum acted like adults in the first place, there would be no need to discuss a moratorium. There were plenty of members who have posted their negative feelings towards the operation of the Political thread. There is a lot of baiting going on within the posts, and by who knows who, meaning outsiders. Members feel it has cast a sour light on TOTV. I think their feelings should also be respected.

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You can poke fun at the idea of a moratorium, mucci...
No "poking fun" was intended in the concept of preserving free speech, including opinions expressed on this thread.* I was dead serious.* Let me be more clear, omitting any semblance of levity... Don't screww around with free speech. *

We already have too many folks running around complaining about being offended by this or that as their excuse to shut up anyone they don't agree with.* I hope that doesn't happen here.

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The TOTV Political Forum is a free speech forum regarding any and all political banter. It does not give posters the right to abuse another, spew hatred and border on total unacceptability within the confines of decent behavior. In other words, say anything you want but keep it civil. Is that too hard to ask of adults. Is that screwing around with free speech as you so eloquently put it? Read the first 8 or 9 posts of this thread and tell me MEMBERS aren't concerned.

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Johnny, please forgive me if I am putting my own meaning into your words, but I interpreted your call for a moritorium in this way.

By suggesting a moritorium on a Forum that had gotten so mean spirited, I felt you were requesting a return to civility among the posters, not calling for a suppression of the 1st Amendment, for which you fought. And I agreed with you.

Sort of like when a parent tells its children to play nice or the toy will be taken away. I've done that myself and my objective was never to take away the toy, but to remind the kids that playing nice was important.

I think sometimes we adults can get carried away in our passions just like kids.

Anyway, knowing what a patriot Johnny is I can't imagine his intention was to suppress freedom of speech.

Just my opinion, which thank goodness I have the right to express.

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Thanks Susan, my meaning of a moratorium is the same as a "time out" for kids.
VK, I don't think we are wasting our time as our own Cassie states the forum helped her and gave her the incentive to vote. It is important to debate and get a further insight into the political process. You are right when you say minds have been made up for the most part and will not be changed. That is all part of the forum and the process. My intent is to stop the mean spiritness and baiting that goes on by a few.

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Johnny, this is why the King Fu post is here. The Repub/Demo "debate????" has gotten so out of hand that we have selected King Fu to combat the ugliness. Childlike? Maybe..but it sure beats ugly.

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Thanks Susan, my meaning of a moratorium is the same as a "time out" for kids.

Wow!* I certainly hope our Community Development Districts, local, county, state, and federal governments don't embrace the same paternalistic approach.* "Be quiet until we learn to say what other people want to hear."** :bow: :bow: :bow:* And make sure no one - not even the "tyranny of the majority" - is ever offended by either the form or substance of the comment.

By that standard, THIS thread needs to be deleted.

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Little Woofer, It just never stays nice on the political thread. Further, as many of us have stated, you won't change anyone's mind. It then becomes a contest of my opinion is better than yours. Yuck.

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Mucci you are out of bounds. All I and other members want to hear is civility. If you can't be civil to us, give up your membership.

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JohnnyM and mucci, calm down , boys,
it's just *^%%$$ politics!!!!

Johnny, really not right, nor your place, to be advising folks to pass in their membership, is it? aren't you being a little tempermental, though you started this thread in good faith??

This is almost like the political threads, maybe it should be in that forum.

Relax , guys, life is short

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Is that screwing around with free speech as you so eloquently put it?
Is "contemptuously eviserated" better?

Sam: I agree with civility, but not stifling the fee exchange of ideas under the banner of excessive sensitivity. woof

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John, if a person is telling you he or she does not care about being civil then in my eyes they do no belong in a forum where everyone else does. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Better yet I'll pass in mine. Personally, this forum has changed so much since I became a member, it's just not the same. If trying to be civil stymies someones freedom of speech, I don't belong here. I'm sorry Mucci.

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JohnnyM

bud, I just don't read the political threads - period

My blood pressure has improved about 50 points since then.
It's just not worth it.

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I think you should take this to the "political" forum.

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Yipppeee!!!

I've noted that some forums have a topic called "Take It Outside." I guess our political forum is that place. :agree:

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I am confused. So many say I never go there....or never read it....etc....yet this is where I am reading yours posts???? :dontknow: :dontknow:

Anyway, I do not agree will censorship or moratorium. Why should a perfectly good venue be discontinued because of a few? For the most part.....most give and take...agree to disagree....and that is as it should be. To penalize the many for the sake of the few is not a very democratic stance.

By it's very nature a political forum has built into it a bias. One should expect give and take on the threads/issues. When I spot a urinating contest I just breeze through or by it.

It's sorta one of those if you can't stand the heat don't go near the fire or the kitchen or how ever it is stated.

There will always be adversity in a political or religious discussion. But don't suppress the first amendment for the few that take it to an unacceptable level.

IMHO.

BTK

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I think we should have a moratorium on the restaurant thread. I am trying to loose weight.