Sarah Palin and motherhood

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This is NOT a political post! Just wondering what everyones take is on Sarah having 5 children and having the possibility of becoming the next President of the United States?

I personally raised six children, the youngest being 21. I had help, I had house keepers, I had a husband who was self employed and was able to be there in a moments notice. It was NOT NOT NOT easy! I myself cannot IMAGINE trying to run the country too. Also, just because they are no longer living with us the parenting doesn't stop.

Granted she is the Govenor of Alaska but do you know that Austin Texas has a larger population than the entire state of Alaska?????

Just heard on CNN that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant. Now Sarah can add grandmother to her resume.

What are your thoughts? P.S. I am a registered Republican for your info:)

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Depends upon the age of the children. In Mrs. Palin's case, she has the 4-mo old son and another girl that looks to be about 4 yrs. old. The other 3 are grown children, including the 17yr old who will soon be married and a mother herself.

So I don't see a problem here. Also, Mrs. Palin has a great husband, staff, and now Secret Service watching over the safety of everyone.

I'm very impressed by what I have seen so far and knew about Mrs. Palin previous to her receiving the VP spotlight.

Sure beats the alternative for me too.

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This is not a political viewpoint either, it's more about equality for women. While watching CNN, I believe, I heard someone pose that same question. It was promptly answered by one of the women that there is never a count of the number of children when a man's name is put forward for office.

Women haven't really come that far, have they? :dontknow:

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I can't imagine doing it all but GOD bless her!!!

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I can't imagine doing it all but GOD bless her!!!

:agree: Sarah Palin is obviously a talented and ambitious woman. I sure wouldn't want to take it on, but I think she is up to it, and I admire her for her strength.


While watching CNN, I believe, I heard someone pose that same question. It was promptly answered by one of the women that there is never a count of the number of children when a man's name is put forward for office.

Peachie, bang on!

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I agree with Barack Obama on this subject. When asked about the story he replied, "Let's keep the families out of it."

Good for you, Barack!

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I think the families should be kept out of it also. However, I do think it is a legitimate question to ask how much can one person handle. If Sarah were a physician wouldn't you expect her to give up her day job for the Presidency? Obviously she can't give up her family!!!
Peachy you are right, we probably wouldn't be asking this question of a male candidate....Robert Kennedy comes to mind. I am by no means mother of the year, and I am not questioning her mothering skills. I am just asking how realistic is this scenerio.........from a 54 yr old mother of 6 the chaos is still pretty fresh in my mind!!!

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Who are we to judge who can handle what? What you can handle may not be what I can handle. As a woman and mother, I couldn't handle any type of political position while raising my children, however, I have a good friend who was able to do it hands down.

I won't judge.

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I applaud Barack Obama too, Kahuna. Perhaps he realizes there is no distinction between racism and sexism.

Wannabee, WHERE IS THE FATHER? If Mr. Palin was in Sarah's position, this wouldn't even be a debate. You were blessed with a lovely family with 6 children but there are mothers out there with that number of children and they work a fulltime job too, it isn't impossible, the most important part of child rearing is love and discipline and the home does not have to be chaotic. I'm sure Mr. Palin will help his wife manage the rest and they will have "staff" for the mundane chores. IMHO, the debate would best be left to the candidates abilities.

Bright, you posted before I could get this out, :agree: :agree: :agree:

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Three comments:

Bright...I agree ...who are we to judge.

Peachy...I am personally offended by the question...it would not be asked of a man and should not be asked of a woman.

Kahuna....I agree..Barack said it right keep the families out of the debate ...none of our business how either family will be run in the event they are elected.

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This is NOT a political post! Just wondering what everyones take is on Sarah having 5 children and having the possibility of becoming the next President of the United States?

How can a post asking everyones take on the Republican VP candidate not be political? :dontknow: I guess political has turned into such a negative word on TOTV that no-one wants to rub shoulders with it.

My take on Sarah Palin is .... it's about time we had a stellar candidate run for high political office! Presumably she will have her devoted husband and older children to help with the little ones, and hired help to handle the mundane aspects of domestic life.

Go Sarah go!

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Peachy: Those words from Barack Usama are BS, he did said that, but send the dogs after her, read and listen to the lefty press and TV.

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EFRAHIN....you are spot on !!!! Sen Obama learned well in Chicago..this is a absolute tactic used in organizing...he will NEVER do the slamming, but let someone else do it....if those who buy into this stuff think that the Obama campain and KOS and MOVEON and sites like that are not on the same team...same page...same playbook, you are living in a vaccuum !

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Do I smell men?

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1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl OMG! Susan! I'm crying I'm laughing so hard! :a20:

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Susan, :bow: :clap2: :clap2: 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl evil6 wav

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Do I smell men?


Susan

Great post. :bigthumbsup:

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I am not sure where I was when this was posted...but just read this thread....OMG Susan...TOO FUNNY!!! sssnnnfffff.....yes you do smell MEN! LOL

I will say (with the knowledge that I may get a GRRROOAANN) that I am the
2nd oldest of 8 and when I was a young teenager....my mother went back to work full time (40+) hours...drove an hour each way every T, TH and Sat to school to get her Masters (in special education), had a very supportive husband that worked 2 jobs (one for NY State) and had a disabled youngest child. I look back at my teen years in AWE....in three ways....

1...that my parents SURVIVED and that we all did as well. Saintly or Insane...still not sure...and neither are they...

2...that I would never DO what they did...I think they missed too much of our lives...and at times we greatly resented them for it...and Dad's cooking abilities were not the best...:1rotfl:

3...That they did their very best as parents..no matter what our (as children) mistakes were...as they made the choice to have 8 children (the last 3 being oops's as they say and love us all in their own way...and we all turned out "OK" in the end...well ok...some of them are still working on that part....

SO...with that all said...GOD BLESS PALIN for trying to move up in her career, as a woman...and a mother...(but that still doesn't qualify her IMO specifically to be VP or P one day....)

BUT...I do KNOW that someone....a parent...needs to be around for those kids! I don't care if it is one or the other....mother or father or in some cases the other Mom or other Dad....just one of them needs to be there for the kids...not babysitters, nannies....a child at any age needs a parent to make sure they don't get hurt running with scissors as they say!

I am not saying that a parent can prevent every mistake either...but it is very easy for BIG mistakes to happen when neither parent is around...and doesn't know what is going on....

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I would not put my family through it. You only get one childhood and being a young pregnant teenager is enough stress without Mom putting you in the spotlight.

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Cassie and BestMom, I agree with you both.

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LPalin cut Alaska's $ for special needs children by $235 million until she had one of her own. Then became spokeswoman for cause. Typical!

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Typical of what - fiscal responsibility? An earlier post said that Austin, Texas has a larger population than all of Alaska. If that's the case, how big was the budget for special needs children in the first place and maybe too much was earmarked for their needs. How much is left in the fund? I think your dislike for Sarah Palin is showing in your uniformed post.

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If Palin runs, Democrats will win again. She is in fact the most detrimental figure to arise in the Party for many years.
Yes she has talent and great ideas, but she has a very poor way of delivering our message. That not only iritates Democrats, it also helps many on the fence that are undecided on issues, to slide off on the Democratic side. Now I would not be suprised to find out that both Palin and Glenn Beck are stounch Liberals as the way they approach many of the issues so important to Republians causes so much harm to the Republican party. If people like Palin, Beck, Limbaugh etc. would approach the issues with a more kind face and stop with the harsh critical remarks toward anyone that might dissagree or perhaps just be undecided, they would gain votes and support instead of running those folks off. Remember, most folks will not support a loud mouth or a bully even if they are right just simply due to their personality.

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She is already a grandmother, her older daughter has a child.

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I think she really pushes her kids in the limelight, where they have absolutely no business being.
Dragging her baby under one arm from one political meeting to another is not being a good mother, it does the baby no possible good, and it makes her look quite unprofessional.
She needs to keep them at home, out of the political ring and out of the public's eye. Children do not belong there..... her oldest daughter was dragged through the muck by the press, but Palin did not learn a lesson from that.
If she wants to be a politician, she needs to act like one, in all areas!

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the political establishment. How she handles her kids is her business, while we all have our opinions of right or wrong.

I will admit her political "front" is not consistent with the establishment. In that I find her and all the newbie politicians a breath of fresh air.

I think the concept of looking professional took a turn for the other direction when businesses started casual Fridays and now today you go a long way to find a shirt, tie and jacket. Except in those arenas where the individual needs to show "rank" or is insecure.

Pretty hard to be professionally incorrect in the casual environment of the day.
It is mostly in the eye of the beholder and their opinion on it.

btk

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I think she really pushes her kids in the limelight, where they have absolutely no business being.
Dragging her baby under one arm from one political meeting to another is not being a good mother, it does the baby no possible good, and it makes her look quite unprofessional.
She needs to keep them at home, out of the political ring and out of the public's eye. Children do not belong there..... her oldest daughter was dragged through the muck by the press, but Palin did not learn a lesson from that.
If she wants to be a politician, she needs to act like one, in all areas!

mermaid -
you do not sound like someone who adapts to change easily; nor someone who wishes to keep up with the times. ever since world war 2 women have been entering a number of arenas that have been traditional male bastions. not that i was around, but rosie the riveter comes to mind from my history books and tales around the dinner table.

just think back...if men had not been called to war and conscripted to fight would women have been forced to enter the work force? would women then have had to wage their own crusade to seek equal pay for equal work? i can remember my friends being drafted into the viet nam war and returning from it to not so nice receptions. at the same time i remember hearing that women should get out of the workforce so that a vet can have her job.

having sarah palin out in front in the political arena should remind everyone of the roles that women are required to play in today's society...and bringing [not dragging or pushing] her children with her shows the versatility that women must exercise and can exercise because they are women.

final thoughts to ponder...women resolve thru the use of a support network and negotiation/men resolve by taking it to athletic competition where someone must win or lose...perhaps if we had more women in elected offices as well as just plain active in politics we would have fewer wars and fewer children would be buried by their parents.

stepping down from my soap box now...

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I think you missed what I was trying to say, but then I don't think that I stated my point too well because I was trying very hard not to let my political views color the original question! LOL

The fact that she is a woman in the political ring is not the issue with me, I am a very strong proponent for women's rights, I've had to be, as most women our age have had to be. I raised a child all by myself: physically, mentally, & financially ---- my former husband ran off to South America to "find himself"!! ( He is still searching!) I have supported myself and my child by a professional career in educational publishing for almost 30 years before retiring. I am also a Liberal, politically & socially--surprise!!

The main thing with my objection is that I do not feel that Ms. Palin acts, speaks, or behaves in the manner that I feel is appropriate for a political candidate of our country.
One of those behaviors is "dragging" her youngest baby into the arena. The other candidates, be they male or female, do not do this. Nor should they, a quick cameo appearance would certainly be enough.
Now, it seems, that the eldest daughter, who seems to have a penchant for publicity, is on a TV show where she dances rather "saucily". LOL! Sorry if I might seem old-fashioned about this, but again, I do not feel that this is appropriate for the daughter of a possible candidate for a high office of our country.

I could go on and on, but this might lead into political thoughts, & I am trying to stay on subject.

I personally want to look up at a candidate who might run our country, not look down on someone who I feel is not qualified -- educationally, morally, or intellectually. This applies to women as well as men. I apply the same standards to both sexes, this to me, is total equality.

Thanks for not getting nasty, or flaming me, we all have our views and it is nice to be able to express them!

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I think you missed what I was trying to say, but then I don't think that I stated my point too well because I was trying very hard not to let my political views color the original question! LOL

The fact that she is a woman in the political ring is not the issue with me, I am a very strong proponent for women's rights, I've had to be, as most women our age have had to be. I raised a child all by myself: physically, mentally, & financially ---- my former husband ran off to South America to "find himself"!! ( He is still searching!) I have supported myself and my child by a professional career in educational publishing for almost 30 years before retiring. I am also a Liberal, politically & socially--surprise!!

The main thing with my objection is that I do not feel that Ms. Palin acts, speaks, or behaves in the manner that I feel is appropriate for a political candidate of our country.
One of those behaviors is "dragging" her youngest baby into the arena. The other candidates, be they male or female, do not do this. Nor should they, a quick cameo appearance would certainly be enough.
Now, it seems, that the eldest daughter, who seems to have a penchant for publicity, is on a TV show where she dances rather "saucily". LOL! Sorry if I might seem old-fashioned about this, but again, I do not feel that this is appropriate for the daughter of a possible candidate for a high office of our country.

I could go on and on, but this might lead into political thoughts, & I am trying to stay on subject.

I personally want to look up at a candidate who might run our country, not look down on someone who I feel is not qualified -- educationally, morally, or intellectually. This applies to women as well as men. I apply the same standards to both sexes, this to me, is total equality.

Thanks for not getting nasty, or flaming me, we all have our views and it is nice to be able to express them!

Thanks for clarifying. For a minute there, I thought you wanted her to "man up". :laugh:

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I don't understand why so many self-professed liberal women say they don't respect Sarah Palin. I never understood why the NOW didn't defend Palin against so many attacks involving her gender and her children.

It doesn't make sense to me that a woman who was elected governor of a state and then received a national nomination to be vice president of this country isn't put on a pedestal for everything woman libbers say they fought to be recognized to represent and say they stand for.

Even if you don't agree with her politics, it just doesn't make sense to me to not respect what she has achieved. Even if you take the additional real world and real life hurdles out of the pictures she has faced in her life like a Downs Syndrome baby and a teenager who got pregnant out of wedlock. Adding those reallife situations just makes me admire her all the more.

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I don't understand why so many self-professed liberal women say they don't respect Sarah Palin. I never understood why the NOW didn't defend Palin against so many attacks involving her gender and her children.

It doesn't make sense to me that a woman who was elected governor of a state and then received a national nomination to be vice president of this country isn't put on a pedestal for everything woman libbers say they fought to be recognized to represent and say they stand for.

Even if you don't agree with her politics, it just doesn't make sense to me to not respect what she has achieved. Even if you take the additional real world and real life hurdles out of the pictures she has faced in her life like a Downs Syndrome baby and a teenager who got pregnant out of wedlock. Adding those reallife situations just makes me admire her all the more.

:BigApplause: As a man, I have the most respect for Mrs. Palin then any woman candidate in recent memory. Certainly more respect for her then that woman who tried to "dress down" a Two Star General.

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I don't understand why so many self-professed liberal women say they don't respect Sarah Palin. I never understood why the NOW didn't defend Palin against so many attacks involving her gender and her children.

It doesn't make sense to me that a woman who was elected governor of a state and then received a national nomination to be vice president of this country isn't put on a pedestal for everything woman libbers say they fought to be recognized to represent and say they stand for.

Even if you don't agree with her politics, it just doesn't make sense to me to not respect what she has achieved. Even if you take the additional real world and real life hurdles out of the pictures she has faced in her life like a Downs Syndrome baby and a teenager who got pregnant out of wedlock. Adding those reallife situations just makes me admire her all the more.

Well I'm just a man, so I don't know if my opinion counts. But I'll take a stab at it anyway. I happen to agree with your statements above and agree that is seems incongruous that the cause of "women's liberation" isn't seen as having been largely realized in the amazing career of Sarah Palin by the groups that identify themselves as promoting women's issues.

My opinion, and I must confess again that I am only a man, is that the predominantly left wing ideology of these "women's groups" will not allow themselves to be identified with any woman who professes to be pro-life. Also, Sarah Palin happens to be a very attractive woman and the life of a physically attractive and politically conservative woman is not high on the list of admired women in liberal circles, to say the least.

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Yup, she is a complete package and that is a threat to the insecure liberal- type "ladies"

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I think you missed what I was trying to say, but then I don't think that I stated my point too well because I was trying very hard not to let my political views color the original question! LOL

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The main thing with my objection is that I do not feel that Ms. Palin acts, speaks, or behaves in the manner that I feel is appropriate for a political candidate of our country.

Thanks for not getting nasty, or flaming me, we all have our views and it is nice to be able to express them!

Your clarification says it all! And it shows that you have been there and done that - as a woman! My congratulations on your accomplishments! My ilk is never to be nasty - there is nothing to be gained from that! We might never have learned of your hard work and accomplishments if my words had turned you off!

That said, it seems as if we simply have different opinions. My father raised three daughters...as his sons. We were not allowed to be content to be the same as or as good as...we were required to strive to be better than, smarter than, and to jump higher and run faster than the next person - be they male or female. My father taught me to read the paper from the back page to the front page - because in conversation/business with men I was going to be required to relate to them on their level - know the sports scores and know what happened on wall street. He made sure that we believed in ourselves and would be able to stand on our own no matter what.

It seems that you were raised with just as much strength.

I just feel that when someone has something they feel has to be said, they should get out there and say it no matter what it takes to do it. I feel that Sarah Palin is doing just that! She is the reality of her generation - not ours.

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I have a hard time taking her seriously BUT she is entertaining!

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I have a hard time taking her seriously BUT she is entertaining!

That's a pretty disrespectful comment, but it doesn't really matter. Sarah Palin wouldn't get upset with you, as she has too much class, so I won't either.

Sarah Palin was one of the major stars in the run-up to these mid-term elections. Her endorsed and campaigned for candidates have mostly prevailed in their bids, and largely against the established Republican candidate. Now these same candidates have a huge chance of gaining the national office.

All the liberals cause great glee on the conservative side of the aisle with their underestimating of this remarkable woman.

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I have a hard time taking her seriously BUT she is entertaining!

My wife has a name for you but I cannot repeat it as I would be reprimanded by the administrators. :ohdear:

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Yup, she is a complete package and that is a threat to the insecure liberal- type "ladies"
Really Ajack,...... One thing I might NOT be is insecure!

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Well I'm just a man, so I don't know if my opinion counts. But I'll take a stab at it anyway. I happen to agree with your statements above and agree that is seems incongruous that the cause of "women's liberation" isn't seen as having been largely realized in the amazing career of Sarah Palin by the groups that identify themselves as promoting women's issues.

My opinion, and I must confess again that I am only a man, is that the predominantly left wing ideology of these "women's groups" will not allow themselves to be identified with any woman who professes to be pro-life. Also, Sarah Palin happens to be a very attractive woman and the life of a physically attractive and politically conservative woman is not high on the list of admired women in liberal circles, to say the least.
Richie, many Liberal women admire other women for their intellect and what they have done to further the cause of women, not what they look like. That sure ain't Miss Sarah! LOL

Eleanor Roosevelt is an excellent example of someone .

But then, you're a guy..... I understand that Miss Sarah is a hottie!

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Richie, many Liberal women admire other women for their intellect and what they have done to further the cause of women, not what they look like. That sure ain't Miss Sarah! LOL

Eleanor Roosevelt is an excellent example of someone .

But then, you're a guy..... I understand that Miss Sarah is a hottie!

So is it her intellect or her furthering the cause of women you think Palin lacks? BTW, what does it mean, and I'm dead serious, to "further the cause of women'"?

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Richie, many Liberal women admire other women for their intellect and what they have done to further the cause of women, not what they look like. That sure ain't Miss Sarah! LOL

Eleanor Roosevelt is an excellent example of someone .

But then, you're a guy..... I understand that Miss Sarah is a hottie!

So, "Miss Sarah" as you call her in a snide way; her remarkable life up to now, with all she has personally accomplished while at the same time demonstrating the so called "super woman" status of "having it all", meaning home, family, and career, has done nothing to further the cause of women?

Yours is one of the most myopic posts I've seen in my whole time here on TOTV. You seem to be letting a petty personal bias and lock step political viewpoint cloud your judgement in regard to "Miss Sarah".

Let me tweak this a little further. "Miss Sarah" has accomplished this all with her own hard work and her own intellect and her own unassailable values, unlike a woman I'm sure you admire that rose to prominence solely on the back of her "famous husband". Can you guess who I'm talking about?

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Richie, many Liberal women admire other women for their intellect and what they have done to further the cause of women, not what they look like. That sure ain't Miss Sarah! LOL

Eleanor Roosevelt is an excellent example of someone .

But then, you're a guy..... I understand that Miss Sarah is a hottie!

You mean you have to be homely to further the cause of women? At least Sarah didn't marry her cousin.( Eleanor's maiden name was Roosevelt, she married her cousin)

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[U]It doesn't make sense to me that a woman who was elected governor of a state and then received a national nomination to be vice president of this country isn't put on a pedestal for everything woman libbers say they fought to be recognized to represent and say they stand for.



Please tell me you are kidding, this is a woman who deserted the state of Alaska to pursue "the almighty dollar"...

And as long as you brought up the nomination for VP, THAT was scary,
she was ONE step from running this country OMG, this is a gal who thought Africa was a COUNTRY!!!!.....Pleeeeease!

When she was first introduced to our country, I thoght whe was a breathe of fresh air, NOW.......Ugh!.....IMHO

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[U]It doesn't make sense to me that a woman who was elected governor of a state and then received a national nomination to be vice president of this country isn't put on a pedestal for everything woman libbers say they fought to be recognized to represent and say they stand for.



Please tell me you are kidding, this is a woman who deserted the state of Alaska to pursue "the almighty dollar"...

And as long as you brought up the nomination for VP, THAT was scary,
she was ONE step from running this country OMG, this is a gal who thought Africa was a COUNTRY!!!!.....Pleeeeease!

When she was first introduced to our country, I thoght whe was a breathe of fresh air, NOW.......Ugh!.....IMHO

Deserted her state? Are you serious? Are you saying she is the first person to leave their state to make money? Surely you jest. Look the the Clintons. Hillary would leave her cush senator job in a New York heartbeat. Get real, buddy.

Talking about ONE step away from running the country, you think the USA could survive, a Joe Biden? They put him away in a bunker somewhere so he wouldn't talk to the press. They hold their collective breaths every time the man opens his mouth.

Speaking of making money, the clown in the White House sold bogus books written by a ghost writer to get rich.
Just something to chew on.:ohdear:

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[U]It doesn't make sense to me that a woman who was elected governor of a state and then received a national nomination to be vice president of this country isn't put on a pedestal for everything woman libbers say they fought to be recognized to represent and say they stand for.



Please tell me you are kidding, this is a woman who deserted the state of Alaska to pursue "the almighty dollar"...

And as long as you brought up the nomination for VP, THAT was scary,
she was ONE step from running this country OMG, this is a gal who thought Africa was a COUNTRY!!!!.....Pleeeeease!

When she was first introduced to our country, I thoght whe was a breathe of fresh air, NOW.......Ugh!.....IMHO

Jeb; if you would delve deeper into a story and find out all the particulars you might be able to develop a more cogent report. But in your defense, your analysis is no different from the bias of the left wing media, so you're in "good" company.
In Alaska anyone can file ethics charges against public officials for any reason very easily, and Sarah Palin, having many political enemies, was the recipient of many of these frivolous charges. (Might you have been one of these people if you lived in Alaska?)
Enormous time and lots of money was constantly being expended to deal with this nuisance and Sarah Palin decided she had enough and that her time could be put to better use for her party, for herself and in consideration of her constituents in Alaska.
There's no denying Ms. Palin is a formidable opponent of the political leftist Democrat Party, and they and their operatives are not reticent in their desire to destroy her politically and marginalize her influence in American politics. They have failed miserably in this as evidenced by recent events.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/21/palins-legal-debt-is-more_n_218642.html

http://nrinstitute.org/mediamalpractice/?p=279&cpage=1

http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/03/frivolous-ethics-complaints-you-betcha.html

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bkcunningham:

I think that Palin lacks real intelligence, but I think she is smart enough to understand that many people in our country are looking for a new leader and if she plays her cards right, she just might be that leader.
Her "folksy & cutsey" schtick is a grating and demeaning act. Does absolutely nothing to further the cause of women.

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bkcunningham:

I think that Palin lacks real intelligence, but I think she is smart enough to understand that many people in our country are looking for a new leader and if she plays her cards right, she just might be that leader.
Her "folksy & cutsey" schtick is a grating and demeaning act. Does absolutely nothing to further the cause of women.

well now! that got my dander up! mermaid - please define "real intelligence" and then let us know what "the cause of women" is!

i hardly think sarah paling has a "schtick" going! i think she has guts to get out in front of others and tell it like it is! i give her a heck of a lot of credit for doing so!

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No Richie,
I answered the original post about Palin & her handling of her family in a way I felt was least objectionable. It is hard to be unbiased, & I was trying my best to keep it light & a little humorous. But..... This discussion has turned away from that .... naturally!

I have not called your views petty and myopic nor questioned your judgement and I expect the same courtesy from others here.
My ideas are as valid to me as yours are to you.

But then, we Liberals are funny about stuff like that.

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bkcunningham:

I think that Palin lacks real intelligence, but I think she is smart enough to understand that many people in our country are looking for a new leader and if she plays her cards right, she just might be that leader.
Her "folksy & cutsey" schtick is a grating and demeaning act. Does absolutely nothing to further the cause of women.

So what is the cause of women? I'm sorry if I missed that part of your answer.

I suppose intelligence is in the eye of the beholder. I'm still curious about the phrase you used, "furthering the cause of women." What does it mean. Thank you.

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[U]It doesn't make sense to me that a woman who was elected governor of a state and then received a national nomination to be vice president of this country isn't put on a pedestal for everything woman libbers say they fought to be recognized to represent and say they stand for.



Please tell me you are kidding, this is a woman who deserted the state of Alaska to pursue "the almighty dollar"...

And as long as you brought up the nomination for VP, THAT was scary,
she was ONE step from running this country OMG, this is a gal who thought Africa was a COUNTRY!!!!.....Pleeeeease!

When she was first introduced to our country, I thoght whe was a breathe of fresh air, NOW.......Ugh!.....IMHO


No, I'm not kidding. What women does the NOW represent? Do they pick and choose the women they uphold? What are their standards? I thought the group supported all women. I can't imagine why they didn't speak out against the things that were said about Palin and her family since Palin is a woman.

On the website for NOW, they state, "...Since its founding in 1966, NOW's goal has been to take action to bring about equality for all women..."

If that is true, I would think they would have supported Sarah Palin with open arms. She didn't get their endorsement nor did she get any statements admonishing some pretty cruel and demeaning things said about her in the press, by Hollywood, and others.

I thought "all women" meant just that. I guess not in NOW's narrow vision.

http://www.now.org/organization/info.html

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No Richie,
I answered the original post about Palin & her handling of her family in a way I felt was least objectionable. It is hard to be unbiased, & I was trying my best to keep it light & a little humorous. But..... This discussion has turned away from that .... naturally!

I have not called your views petty and myopic nor questioned your judgement and I expect the same courtesy from others here.
My ideas are as valid to me as yours are to you.

But then, we Liberals are funny about stuff like that.

Light and humorous??? You say Sarah Palin has no "real intelligence" and demean her as being "folksy and cutsey" and then proclaim HER "demeaning and grating" on the face of YOUR depiction of her. If you were a man, you might be labeled misogynist.

You give her little credit, with all her accomplishments, and all she has attained, in spite of a largely hostile media, and in spite of the personal defamation and the scurrilous attacks on her family, even from women's groups who should be defending her, and lauding her stature as a strong accomplished woman. You say her success has not "defined" or "furthered" the "cause of women".

If you can't see who this woman is, in the face of all she's accomplished in Alaska, in the political world, in her personal life, in the face of all her obstacles; I would call that "myopic".

(myopic: synonyms: biased, blind, halfsighted, nearsighted, presbyopic, shortsighted.)

Of course you're entitled to your opinions. The above is my opinion. I can only respond to you and your feelings about Ms. Palin because that's all you offered. If you had a point of fact you wanted to discuss, I would discuss that; but that was not the object of your post.

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thank you, richielion!

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No Richie,
I answered the original post about Palin & her handling of her family in a way I felt was least objectionable. It is hard to be unbiased, & I was trying my best to keep it light & a little humorous. But..... This discussion has turned away from that .... naturally!

I have not called your views petty and myopic nor questioned your judgement and I expect the same courtesy from others here.
My ideas are as valid to me as yours are to you.

But then, we Liberals are funny about stuff like that.

Not that there is anything wrong with doing this, but mermaid72, you responded to a post that was two years old. It is very easy to do until you get used to watching for the date that threads were started.

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NOW is just a card-carrying member of the progressive left. They stopped representing all women many years ago. The only candidates they endorse are the ones who favor pro death, of babies not yet born.:(

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I must say that I have gotten a great deal of insight about many of the people who live in The Villages thru this discussion.
My partner & I were seriously thinking of checking out your area as a place to retire. I am so glad to have found out beforehand about the open-minded political and social climate of your area. (Yes Richie, that IS sarcasm)

It looks like a lovely place with wonderful facilities, but not for Leftist misogynistic, Liberal, card-carrying members of pro-baby death NOW, who voted for Obama.
Thank you all so much, and good luck.

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mermaid72, don't be offended. Defend your beliefs. I am really interested to know what you meant by "the cause of women." What is the cause of women? You still haven't answered that and I very respectively would like to ask you again what that means.

Also, if something I said about the NOW offfened you, I had no intention of doing that when I asked why the NOW wouldn't defend Sarah Palin when in their own words they say "all women."

I love to learn. Educate me, please.

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I must say that I have gotten a great deal of insight about many of the people who live in The Villages thru this discussion.
My partner & I were seriously thinking of checking out your area as a place to retire. I am so glad to have found out beforehand about the open-minded political and social climate of your area. (Yes Richie, that IS sarcasm)

It looks like a lovely place with wonderful facilities, but not for Leftist misogynistic, Liberal, card-carrying members of pro-baby death NOW, who voted for Obama.
Thank you all so much, and good luck.

Before you storm off in a hissy fit, remember where you are. This is the political forum and nobody in the bubble generally goes around talking politics. You entered this forum willingly. I suggest you check this place out and you will be surprised.

PS. If you don't like politics, I suggest you stay in the other forums. : )

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Ajack, I think she objected to your characterization of NOW just as you would object to characterizing conservatives as Phyllis Schlafly wannabes who believe in subjugating women into being brood mares for the White Power Elite using their Bibles as 2x4's to justify their actions (only a slight exaggeration of what I once heard a WAY-LEFT acquaintance of mine say - way-too-left for me, haven't heard from her in years and I'd like to keep it that way).

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NOW is just a card-carrying member of the progressive left. They stopped representing all women many years ago. The only candidates they endorse are the ones who favor pro death, of babies not yet born.:(

Keep your hands off my body......pro death.

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I must say that I have gotten a great deal of insight about many of the people who live in The Villages thru this discussion.
My partner & I were seriously thinking of checking out your area as a place to retire. I am so glad to have found out beforehand about the open-minded political and social climate of your area. (Yes Richie, that IS sarcasm)

It looks like a lovely place with wonderful facilities, but not for Leftist misogynistic, Liberal, card-carrying members of pro-baby death NOW, who voted for Obama.
Thank you all so much, and good luck.


This is a political blog. Politics is ALL ABOUT OPINIONS. To discuss politics you have to challenge another's opinions. You can't enter a political discussion without having your opinions challenged. We all hope to change someone else's mind, although that rarely happens.

Do you need a thick skin to discuss politics? Well, you at least need to be tough enough to take it when someone thinks your opinion is "off the wall". If you have confidence in yourself and faith in your ideas you can take the barbs thrown your way.

Cologal is a prime example of someone who I have had contentious disagreements with, and on a rare occasion, consensus. But I have to say I admire her ability to take and dish it right back.

Djplong also disagrees with me most times, and on occasion I have seen the point he has made, and took a step back to reconsider what I've said.

All this is not a reflection on The Villages. You going to find people who disagree with you about politics anywhere you go.

Haven't you been watching the news???? It's a contentious time, and a volatile political climate no matter where you reside.

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I must say that I have gotten a great deal of insight about many of the people who live in The Villages thru this discussion.
My partner & I were seriously thinking of checking out your area as a place to retire. I am so glad to have found out beforehand about the open-minded political and social climate of your area. (Yes Richie, that IS sarcasm)

It looks like a lovely place with wonderful facilities, but not for Leftist misogynistic, Liberal, card-carrying members of pro-baby death NOW, who voted for Obama.
Thank you all so much, and good luck.

mermaid72, don't be offended. Defend your beliefs. I am really interested to know what you meant by "the cause of women." What is the cause of women? You still haven't answered that and I very respectively would like to ask you again what that means.

Also, if something I said about the NOW offfened you, I had no intention of doing that when I asked why the NOW wouldn't defend Sarah Palin when in their own words they say "all women."

I love to learn. Educate me, please.

mermaid - i'm with bkc - there's no need for you to cut yourself from us or from the villages. you can't be serious in thinking that you have learned a lot about the people who live in the villages based on the postings of this forum! there are oodles of left wing liberals who live within the villages; they just choose not to battle wits in the forum! ;)

i truly admire your background and accomplishments; no doubt, you could offer significant insight into all you did to overcome the obstacles you faced - some of which were because of the limits placed on women way back when.

we all have opinions and we all make statements here based on them and on our experiences in life; and it isn't always easy to defend/explain them in writing rather than in conversation.

i, too, want to know what your perception of 'the cause of women' is in today's multi-faceted environment. and i'd love to compare sarah palin to other prominent women who are playing out front roles in our society with you.

so c'mon back!

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Keep your hands off my body......pro death.

If you look like your avatar, you will never see my hands anywhere near your body. : )

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If you look like your avatar, you will never see my hands anywhere near your body. : )

What a mean inconsiderate thing to say to someone who is only expressing their opinion. No wonder this is mainly a right wing site. I have many friends both Democrats and Republicans but it looks like the tea party is taking over the Rep Party. Sad Sad Sad.

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If you look like your avatar, you will never see my hands anywhere near your body. : )

I could understand that......:1rotfl:

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There are quite a few moderate Republicans here too.

Both parties are so polarized right now that it makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable.

Please realize that the climate in this political forum is not the climate in The Villages.

I have never heard politics discussed in any group I have been in here, unless it is just a small group of people that you have known for a LONG time.

I am always amazed that in politics if people like you as a person they think you think just exactly like them politically.

Our politics are colored and swayed by our life experiences.


You will like it here. I have met so much kindness in this place.(The Villages, not quite so much here in political)

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I could understand that......:1rotfl:

Thanks for laughing with me, cologal. I guess someone didn't understand that it was a joke and that I knew that wasn't your picture. I did put a smiley there.

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What a mean inconsiderate thing to say to someone who is only expressing their opinion. No wonder this is mainly a right wing site. I have many friends both Democrats and Republicans but it looks like the tea party is taking over the Rep Party. Sad Sad Sad.

I was only joking and cologal knew it. No sense of humor, huh?;)

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I was only joking and cologal knew it. No sense of humor, huh?;)

I have a great sense of humour but not everyone knows when the right wing are joking or not? and in most cases they are not joking. Maybe this is why there are very very few Democrats posting on this site anymore.

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I have a great sense of humour but not everyone knows when the right wing are joking or not? and in most cases they are not joking. Maybe this is why there are very very few Democrats posting on this site anymore.

I DO NOT think that is the reason !!!!

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I have talked politics with many people I've met for the first time playing golf in TV and elsewhere, getting a haircut and doing other things in my life. I've had political discussions with strangers in the grocery store. No offense Gracie, but it is very true.

These strangers I've had discussions with; sometimes long interesting debates, some short comments with nods and smiles, don't always agree 100 percent with me but it has never ended with any of the other golfers or people I've met for the first time leaving the course or the store angry.

On the other hand, I have never - not once - had a discussion in TV or anywhere else in my entire life with anyone about stopping a stop signs, dog poop, cars parking in their own driveways, speeding in golf carts, children in TV, people using the pools, holding seats at the squares or anywhere else for that matter.

And let's be honest, there are some really heated and agressive discussion in the other topics in this forum. People say some really hurtful things. This is a discussion board. That is why people type their thoughts here---to discuss things.

It is the Internet. It isn't the real world. To me, the political forum is closer to my reality than many of the other discussions on this forum. Not that they aren't interesting or very informative. Not that I don't really, really enjoy the other topics. But I signed up for political because it interests me. If it doesn't interest you and you aren't willing to discuss what you type in political...don't type anything in here.

I am not saying this to offend anyone. It just gets my goat when people always blame people in the political forum for being meanies and right-winged hot heads. Cologal, djplong, VillagesKahuna and others who views aren't exactly mine have many, many good discussions in this forum.

I don't agree with everything the more conservative members say and we discuss the issues just the same.

I don't think that is the reason either Bucco. JMHO.

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I must say that I have gotten a great deal of insight about many of the people who live in The Villages thru this discussion.
My partner & I were seriously thinking of checking out your area as a place to retire. I am so glad to have found out beforehand about the open-minded political and social climate of your area. (Yes Richie, that IS sarcasm)

It looks like a lovely place with wonderful facilities, but not for Leftist misogynistic, Liberal, card-carrying members of pro-baby death NOW, who voted for Obama.
Thank you all so much, and good luck.


Perhaps this is not the place for you if you are actually this shortsighted and shallow as your post would indicate !!!

You have never been here and make a judgment on a potential retirement community by visiting a political forum...a POLITICAL forum. Think about that....quite a statement.

I don't want to be rude but I think you need to work on how to make major decisions in your life !

I also do not believe folks who talk like you did...NOBODY that I have ever heard of in my entire life has ever made a decision on where to retire based on a few visits to a political bulletin board. That is just crazy. I think you over emoted just a tad and cannot possibly mean what you say because you are missing out on a lot of things in life making decisions like that.

And, for your information, I have lived here in The Villages for over 10 years thus I feel better equipped to judge it as a retirement choice, and when we made our decision, we didn't ask, didn't care and didn't know what the political affiliations were. After 10 years I still don't care.

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I have a great sense of humour but not everyone knows when the right wing are joking or not? and in most cases they are not joking. Maybe this is why there are very very few Democrats posting on this site anymore.

What? Are you trying to say that liberals have a monopoly on humor? If you check the old threads, (I did out of curiosity) ypou will see that the liberals stopped chatting not long after Obama won the election. Wonder why?

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What? Are you trying to say that liberals have a monopoly on humor? If you check the old threads, (I did out of curiosity) ypou will see that the liberals stopped chatting not long after Obama won the election. Wonder why?

A someone who was here during the primary and campaign and posted alongside those of liberal persuasion, I think I know why they don't post but they sure don't want to hear my WHY !!!!

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A someone who was here during the primary and campaign and posted alongside those of liberal persuasion, I think I know why they don't post but they sure don't want to hear my WHY !!!!

Bucco, I can only speak for myself. When I read some of the things you say, I can't believe my eyes. Like the last thing you said here about using a political forum to decide on a place to retire.

Well, to be honest, it almost made me cry. Not because I was offended. Because it was so spot on and...well...I wish I'd said that. But that goes for alot of the things you post.

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Thanks for laughing with me, cologal. I guess someone didn't understand that it was a joke and that I knew that wasn't your picture. I did put a smiley there.

I totally enjoyed the exchange........sometimes you have to lighten up a bit.

Take care.....