Strong sewage smell in Charlotte

[Phanatic Luvr]

Question ... I have been smelling a strong sewage smell in different parts of Charlotte over the past week. Last Thursday, I could smell it in the villa's which backs up to Morse. This evening around 7:00pm, I smelled it on Charlotte at Yarsborough, by the large pond. Can anyone shed light on what may be the cause.

[jnieman]

Question ... I have been smelling a strong sewage smell in different parts of Charlotte over the past week. Last Thursday, I could smell it in the villa's which backs up to Morse. This evening around 7:00pm, I smelled it on Charlotte at Yarsborough, by the large pond. Can anyone shed light on what may be the cause.

We used to smell a similar smell in Hadley and it turned out to be the water from the sprinklers. I think they use pond or reclaimed water for the sprinklers.

[fred53]

Many times it IS the sprinklers as the water coming from them is gray water...reclaimed, but not a danger to us...just don't drink it or swim in it... :-)

[under55]

I think it was more than just sprinklers on the way down to Rt 44 at about 430 pm it was really bad yesterday.

[gap2415]

We smelled it too but thought it was the smell of sulfur water as the sprinklers were on. We rolled up the windows as it was powerful.

[Phanatic Luvr]

Thanks so far to those who answered, however, it is definitely NOT sprinkler water. Way too strong and goes for blocks. Also, last week when I smelled it, it was during the day and last night was at about 7:00pm.

Update ... I called District Property Management and was told to check out their website at districtgov.org. It states ....
NSU Wastewater Treatment Facility Maintenance
The District’s contractor, CH2MHill, will be performing maintenance the week of September 7, 2015 at the North Sumter Utility (NSU) Wastewater Treatment Plant located on Buena Vista Blvd. The contractor will be placing odor control blocks around the plant; however, residents in the area may experience a mild odor during this time.

[CFrance]

This happens every summer. It is the smell of rotting food. There is a garbage dump nearby, which fact was confirmed on the forum last summer. It is separate from the builders' materials dump.The smell starts around Colony shopping center and lasts all the way to the end of Pine Ridge. The people who buy there this winter will have a bit of a surprise come summer.

[RickeyD]

This happens every summer. It is the smell of rotting food. There is a garbage dump nearby, which fact was confirmed on the forum last summer. It is separate from the builders' materials dump.The smell starts around Colony shopping center and lasts all the way to the end of Pine Ridge. The people who buy there this winter will have a bit of a surprise come summer.


I'm sure the developers sales team has let all the new prospective buyers know about this situation, depending on which way the wind blows I guess [emoji53]

[Barefoot]

I called District Property Management and was told to check out their website at districtgov.org. It states .... NSU Wastewater Treatment Facility Maintenance
The District’s contractor, CH2MHill, will be performing maintenance the week of September 7, 2015 at the North Sumter Utility (NSU) Wastewater Treatment Plant located on Buena Vista Blvd. The contractor will be placing odor control blocks around the plant; however, residents in the area may experience a mild odor during this time.

Is there a Wastewater Treatment Facility on Buena Vista near Charlotte? Was it a "mild odor"?
According to this info, maintenance causing the smell was done September 7 to 14. You said you smelled it 9/21.
Hmmmm, something smells.

[Bogie Shooter]

This happens every summer. It is the smell of rotting food. There is a garbage dump nearby, which fact was confirmed on the forum last summer. It is separate from the builders' materials dump.The smell starts around Colony shopping center and lasts all the way to the end of Pine Ridge. The people who buy there this winter will have a bit of a surprise come summer.

Confirmed? Wasn't that just an opinion? Conclusion at the time was, even construction materials will rot and give off an odor, when a lot of rain occurs.

[wudda1955]

Sorry. It's not the smell of a garbage dump. This is definitely a sewage smell. There is a dump, but it's for construction waste, not food.

[CFrance]

Confirmed? Wasn't that just an opinion? Conclusion at the time was, even construction materials will rot and give off an odor, when a lot of rain occurs.

I'd have to do a search. I thought somebody identified it on a map. We used to drive past a garbage site every weekend on the way to our boat. The location was Coopersville, MI, on I 96. I darn we'll know what a trash dump smells like, and this is it. And it is not on Buena Vista where the "mild" odor is coming from. It is a stench, starting at Colony Plaza and going east. It has been there a couple or three times per year, including this past Spring.

[rubicon]

If Golf Administration has a facility nearby the Charlotte area for the storage of fertilizer then the may be the issue? The Water Reclamation facilities may be another source?

[Whalen]

Colony has not had the sewage odor in quite some time, until recently.

When we first moved here it was terrible. Our plumber told us they we having some trouble getting the new sections connected to the sewage system and the odor was coming from the pumping stations.
Charlotte is near the new sections as is Colony.

[Stdole]

Come on folks drive through the area.... this a raw sewerage ... this
is not reclaimed water or garbage... One might be better to report this to the Sales Center... you just might get some attention to the matter...

$ 100.00 dollars that is raw wet sewer smell... the area it covers is quite
large as already noted... Pumping Station problems... ?? just maybe!

[GoldenHurricane]

I noticed the pungent sewage smell yesterday evening walking on Odell from my home in Duval to mailboxes. (I'm just north of CR466A.)

[asianthree]

I noticed the pungent sewage smell yesterday evening walking on Odell from my home in Duval to mailboxes. (I'm just north of CR466A.)

That's a little disturbing to know that it's all the way up in Duval which is quite a ways from Charlotte.

[RetiredInTV]

We played Volusia yesterday (Tuesday) evening and the smell was disgusting.

[justjim]

Maybe you should report it to Florida EPA?

[Phanatic Luvr]

Is there a Wastewater Treatment Facility on Buena Vista near Charlotte? Was it a "mild odor"?
According to this info, maintenance causing the smell was done September 7 to 14. You said you smelled it 9/21.
Hmmmm, something smells.

Yes, I agree with you Barefoot after rethinking the dates. And ... Charlotte is nowhere near the plant on Buena Vista.

[dbussone]

Yes, I agree with you Barefoot after rethinking the dates. And ... Charlotte is nowhere near the plant on Buena Vista.

Isn't there a treatment facility on one of the Bonifay golf courses...hidden by a large berm and trees and I believe there is another right off Buena Vista between 466A and the Eisenhower Rec Ctr.

[dbussone]

We played Volusia yesterday (Tuesday) evening and the smell was disgusting.

That smell likely comes from the construction dump behind the hill that Volusia is on

[Barefoot]

Isn't there a treatment facility on one of the Bonifay golf courses...hidden by a large berm and trees and I believe there is another right off Buena Vista between 466A and the Eisenhower Rec Ctr.
There are lots of treatment facilities in TV, usually discreetly hidden behind trees.
I've occasionally smelled a mild odor from the one on Belvedere.
If there is an offensive foul odor, it's probably malfunctioning.
I bet TV Maintenance is aware of the problem and trying to eliminate it. Villages Management doesn't like stinky things around.

[Phanatic Luvr]

I finally spoke with someone at District Property Management which made a lot of sense. She said it is algae blooms in the ponds causing the smell. I said I saw a lot of algae back in late June and early July when there was no rain but not lately. She said, and this is what made a lot of sense, that when the ponds were low, vegetation grew on the banks. Once the rains came, that vegetation was then under water and now it is rotting away, causing algae. Made a good deal of sense to me, as I have only ever smelled that horrible smell when I was in close proximity to a pond.

[RickeyD]

I finally spoke with someone at District Property Management which made a lot of sense. She said it is algae blooms in the ponds causing the smell. I said I saw a lot of algae back in late June and early July when there was no rain but not lately. She said, and this is what made a lot of sense, that when the ponds were low, vegetation grew on the banks. Once the rains came, that vegetation was then under water and now it is rotting away, causing algae. Made a good deal of sense to me, as I have only ever smelled that horrible smell when I was in close proximity to a pond.


Good work [emoji106]

[justjim]

That smell likely comes from the construction dump behind the hill that Volusia is on

I am no expert in this area of "construction site dumps" but I would doubt that the odor was coming from there. More likely the ponds on Volusia course. Just my opinion.

[dbussone]

You are probably correct but there are definitely times when that Volusia dump really has quite the odor.

[conphil]

I believe the smell in Charlotte and especially at Volusia is 'methane' or 'landfill gas'.... created as solid waste decomposes. Volusia golf course is built on the side hill of the landfill site that became a few years ago (according to The Villages) a "construction" waste landfill. Well, prior to about 10 years ago that mountain was being built from all sorts of waste. At that time, the methane could be detected as far north as Sumter Landing when the wind blew in that direction. (There weren't any houses back then from Mallory south.) Meanwhile, the garbage continues to decay, and pressure builds (especially in the warmer months) forcing methane gas to the surface. I feel very sorry for homeowners downwind from the landfill. I guess The Villages was hoping the gas would be buried and gone by now as the last houses being built seem to surround this mountain that I call the "dump".

[CFrance]

If you are correct, conphill, pretty much everyone is right. I know from years of driving by one what a waste landfill smells like, and I have smelled that in the 466a area many times. This summer we could smell it all the way to the end of Pine Ridge.

I don't care what anybody says it's coming from, it's strong and smells like rotting garbage. A rose by any other name...

[joldnol]

methane is odorless that is why mercaptan is added to natural gas

[graciegirl]

I believe the smell in Charlotte and especially at Volusia is 'methane' or 'landfill gas'.... created as solid waste decomposes. Volusia golf course is built on the side hill of the landfill site that became a few years ago (according to The Villages) a "construction" waste landfill. Well, prior to about 10 years ago that mountain was being built from all sorts of waste. At that time, the methane could be detected as far north as Sumter Landing when the wind blew in that direction. (There weren't any houses back then from Mallory south.) Meanwhile, the garbage continues to decay, and pressure builds (especially in the warmer months) forcing methane gas to the surface. I feel very sorry for homeowners downwind from the landfill. I guess The Villages was hoping the gas would be buried and gone by now as the last houses being built seem to surround this mountain that I call the "dump".





Welcome to the Forum. Bet you taught Science before you retired here.

[birdawg]

I don't understand how the people in that area can live with that smell I feel so bad for them.

[outlaw]

Here in the bubble, it is referred to as the scent of the natural circle of life. It's part of the nature experience.

[dave harris]

We rent during the winter and did smell the odor at the end of Hillsborough Trail. We thought it was an open sewer, while homes were being constructed, I guess we were wrong. Is this the area involved?

[graciegirl]

I don't understand how the people in that area can live with that smell I feel so bad for them.



I do too. This is where we could use an independent home owners association. I wish someone would start a new one.

[RickeyD]

We rent during the winter and did smell the odor at the end of Hillsborough Trail. We thought it was an open sewer, while homes were being constructed, I guess we were wrong. Is this the area involved?


If you were on the east end, yes.

[golfing eagles]

If you were on the east end, yes.

I guess we're both glad to be on the west end.

BTW, Long Island to Lake Deaton.. Are you following me??? Are you a stalker????:1rotfl:

[RickeyD]

I guess we're both glad to be on the west end.



BTW, Long Island to Lake Deaton.. Are you following me??? Are you a stalker????:1rotfl:


Not stalking you but I'm afraid this issue will affect everyone south of 466A. Word gets around quickly and before you know it we'll all be labeled the south end stinkers!

[golfing eagles]

Not stalking you but I'm afraid this issue will affect everyone south of 466A. Word gets around quickly and before you know it we'll all be labeled the south end stinkers!

Pray for west winds daily. I hope no one is throwing lit cigar butts around Volusia

[Retiring]

This forum is obviously geared toward those that live in TV, so it's not unexpected to see locations abbreviated. I will be in TV in the next 30-60 days. Would someone take the time to write specific locations where these odors are? I would like to check them out for myself, while I search for property. I may find the odor level acceptable (probably not) or I'll not devote any of the few days I have in TV to those areas. Your help is appreciated. Also, you can send me a private note if you wish. Thanks.

[golfing eagles]

This forum is obviously geared toward those that live in TV, so it's not unexpected to see locations abbreviated. I will be in TV in the next 30-60 days. Would someone take the time to write specific locations where these odors are? I would like to check them out for myself, while I search for property. I may find the odor level acceptable (probably not) or I'll not devote any of the few days I have in TV to those areas. Your help is appreciated. Also, you can send me a private note if you wish. Thanks.

They're basically talking about an area along Morse Blvd from Pinellas Place to Hillsborough Trail

[justjim]

This forum is obviously geared toward those that live in TV, so it's not unexpected to see locations abbreviated. I will be in TV in the next 30-60 days. Would someone take the time to write specific locations where these odors are? I would like to check them out for myself, while I search for property. I may find the odor level acceptable (probably not) or I'll not devote any of the few days I have in TV to those areas. Your help is appreciated. Also, you can send me a private note if you wish. Thanks.

Retiring: There are retention ponds all over The Villages and as one post (#24)has mentioned---he made a call to the District and they said the odor was likely coming from a retention pond. I would not jump to any conclusions from some of the speculation coming from some on this forum.

The Villages is a great place to live---north, south, east or west.

[outlaw]

This forum is obviously geared toward those that live in TV, so it's not unexpected to see locations abbreviated. I will be in TV in the next 30-60 days. Would someone take the time to write specific locations where these odors are? I would like to check them out for myself, while I search for property. I may find the odor level acceptable (probably not) or I'll not devote any of the few days I have in TV to those areas. Your help is appreciated. Also, you can send me a private note if you wish. Thanks.

South of 466A. But don't forget the train noise, er, the soothing train sounds. That includes pretty much everything west of Buena Vista Blvd. And if you don't appreciate the stunning view of high voltage electric lines with 200 ft towers, then you need to stay away from pretty much everything east of BV. There is a nice little area we refer to as the Historic District that may fit the bill.

[graciegirl]

South of 466A. But don't forget the train noise, er, the soothing train sounds. That includes pretty much everything west of Buena Vista Blvd. And if you don't appreciate the stunning view of high voltage electric lines with 200 ft towers, then you need to stay away from pretty much everything east of BV. There is a nice little area we refer to as the Historic District that may fit the bill.





You sell lots in Stonecrest?

[outlaw]

You sell lots in Stonecrest?

No! That place looks like it is on life support. The clubhouse looks like your typical subdivision golf club that is trying to stay financially afloat. Depressing, but very common. I was kidding about the train sounds. I actually like them...from an appropriate distance.

[golfing eagles]

South of 466A. But don't forget the train noise, er, the soothing train sounds. That includes pretty much everything west of Buena Vista Blvd. And if you don't appreciate the stunning view of high voltage electric lines with 200 ft towers, then you need to stay away from pretty much everything east of BV. There is a nice little area we refer to as the Historic District that may fit the bill.

Are you seriously suggesting that all of TV except the NE corner has either noise or odor????
Well, here is my backyard view--no noise, no odor, and I don't see any 200 foot towers.
Don't you think there might have been the teeniest teeny weeny bit of hyperbole in your post?

[graciegirl]

Are you seriously suggesting that all of TV except the NE corner has either noise or odor????
Well, here is my backyard view--no noise, no odor, and I don't see any 200 foot towers.
Don't you think there might have been the teeniest teeny weeny bit of hyperbole in your post?



Nice view, doc.

[golfing eagles]

Nice view, doc.

Sure, until they run a railroad spur thru, put up a dozen 200 foot towers and surround it with a landfill:1rotfl:

[outlaw]

Are you seriously suggesting that all of TV except the NE corner has either noise or odor????
Well, here is my backyard view--no noise, no odor, and I don't see any 200 foot towers.
Don't you think there might have been the teeniest teeny weeny bit of hyperbole in your post?

Tongue in cheek.

[outlaw]

Are you seriously suggesting that all of TV except the NE corner has either noise or odor????
Well, here is my backyard view--no noise, no odor, and I don't see any 200 foot towers.
Don't you think there might have been the teeniest teeny weeny bit of hyperbole in your post?

Uh oh. You bought in the bog. Have you noticed any percolating oily substance in your yard?

[golfing eagles]

Tongue and cheek.

Thought so, but I figured I'd run my reply up the flagpole and see if you saluted it:beer3:

[golfing eagles]

Uh oh. You bought in the bog. Have you noticed any percolating oily substance in your yard?

Absolutely.
I scrape it up and sell it to Exxon
The remainder I distill into Doctor Quack's all purpose tonic

[Retiring]

Retiring: There are retention ponds all over The Villages and as one post (#24)has mentioned---he made a call to the District and they said the odor was likely coming from a retention pond. I would not jump to any conclusions from some of the speculation coming from some on this forum.

The Villages is a great place to live---north, south, east or west.

Has it been concluded the odor is from retention ponds? Also, doesn�t stagnant water have a different smell than sewage?

[CFrance]

Has it been concluded the odor is from retention ponds? Also, doesn�t stagnant water have a different smell than sewage?
No it has not been concluded, and yes stagnant water has a different odor than sewage/ decomposing garbage.

There are retention ponds all over the place. There is not landfill odor all over the place. :shrug:

[dbussone]

Are you seriously suggesting that all of TV except the NE corner has either noise or odor????

Well, here is my backyard view--no noise, no odor, and I don't see any 200 foot towers.

Don't you think there might have been the teeniest teeny weeny bit of hyperbole in your post?


That view looks familiar. Have you found any of my golf balls?

[tomwed]

Sorry, it was me.
I was in a pick-up match on Bonifay with 3 women and one of them went into her purse.

[golfing eagles]

That view looks familiar. Have you found any of my golf balls?

2 on the roof, 3 in the gutter, 1 in the potted plant, 4 thru holes in the screened lanai, and one in a pot cooking on the stove

[golfing eagles]

Sorry, I was in a pick-match on Bonifay with 3 women and one of them went into her purse.

Sorry, wrong thread. This is the smelly thread, try the women packing thread

[dirtbanker]

methane is odorless that is why mercaptan is added to natural gas

My wife insists methane gas has an odor, especially after I have eaten smoked oysters in a can!

[graciegirl]

My wife insists methane gas has an odor, especially after I have eaten smoked oysters in a can!



Astute.

[golfing eagles]

Astute.

You may mean ASStoot

[joldnol]

My wife insists methane gas has an odor, especially after I have eaten smoked oysters in a can!

not the methane you're smelling but good old hydrogen sulfide

[kittygilchrist]

This was the answer last year that satisfied me...
When the weather cools, the bottom pond muck rises, or turns over. It smells like sewage for awhile.
Look it up yourself, I am too lazy to do it again!

[CFrance]

This was the answer last year that satisfied me...
When the weather cools, the bottom pond muck rises, or turns over. It smells like sewage for awhile.
Look it up yourself, I am too lazy to do it again!
That might work, except it was 97 degrees in the shade when the smell was at its worst!

[graciegirl]

....

[Sycamowen]

Volusia stinks. It is so bad that a number of neighborhood golf leagues will no longer play there. We asked the course ambassador about the smell and he said it was from rotting sheetrock in the construction dump on top the hill. A Labelle contractor agreed and added that plywood was also delaminating and stinking. Smells more like raw sewage to me. My guess is that a lot more complaining will be heard as the area around there develops.

[joldnol]

I have never smelled construction debris smell like sh-- before.....

[kittygilchrist]

I have never smelled construction debris smell like sh-- before.....

Pinellas and morse had an open sewer last week, I learned from the guard gate poobah.

Here is info on pond turnover.
http://mdc.mo.gov/sites/default/files/resources/2010/05/4921_2870.pdf

[kittygilchrist]

In some cases, winter weather can slow the spread of invasive, non-native fish species because some of these non-native fish, like tilapia, are especially susceptible to cold water. The cold water can kill fish outright or may weaken them so that they become more susceptible to disease. Cold weather can also cause a natural process called lake or pond-turnover. Turnover happens when cooled surface water sinks and mixes with deeper, warmer oxygen-poor water (like pouring cold milk into your hot coffee). This mixing, or turnover, with oxygen poor water can cause low oxygen-related fish kills.

That is from Leon Co Florida, Ag extension, UF

[howardandsheila]

Volusia stinks. It is so bad that a number of neighborhood golf leagues will no longer play there. We asked the course ambassador about the smell and he said it was from rotting sheetrock in the construction dump on top the hill. A Labelle contractor agreed and added that plywood was also delaminating and stinking. Smells more like raw sewage to me. My guess is that a lot more complaining will be heard as the area around there develops.

We played Volusia a couple weeks ago on a warm day with an easterly breeze. Wow what a stench. Definitely seemed to be from the landfill just beyond the fence. A potpourri a different scents. Seemed to vary between sewage smell and a pulp mill. Suspect it was a nice cocktail of methane, garbage and wood products breaking down. Maybe cooler weather will help.

I blamed a couple of missed putts due to the watering of the eyes. :gc:

[outlaw]

Look on the bright side; tees time should be available at Volusia.

[EnglishJW]

We played Volusia a couple weeks ago on a warm day with an easterly breeze. Wow what a stench. Definitely seemed to be from the landfill just beyond the fence. A potpourri a different scents. Seemed to vary between sewage smell and a pulp mill. Suspect it was a nice cocktail of methane, garbage and wood products breaking down. Maybe cooler weather will help.

I blamed a couple of missed putts due to the watering of the eyes. :gc:

Like many others here, we found the smells along Morse between Pinellas and Hillsborough to be strong and offensive. To us, the dominant odor seemed to be raw sewage.

[Lynn222]

Question ... I have been smelling a strong sewage smell in different parts of Charlotte over the past week. Last Thursday, I could smell it in the villa's which backs up to Morse. This evening around 7:00pm, I smelled it on Charlotte at Yarsborough, by the large pond. Can anyone shed light on what may be the cause.

Could it be the landfill?

[birdawg]

[QUOTE=Lynn222;1130570]Could it be the landfill?[
It's the garbage dump on the hill

[RickeyD]

Wouldn't the developer need to disclose this issue to prospective home buyers ? From every vantage point on the ground the hill does not appear to be a construction dump.

[dbussone]

Wouldn't the developer need to disclose this issue to prospective home buyers ? From every vantage point on the ground the hill does not appear to be a construction dump.


I think it practices self-disclosure.

[flyers3]

This in regards to the strong odor that permeated (stench) that was smelled through the villages south of 466A. The odor comes from the dump (used building materials) that sits directly behind the Volusia Golf Course. I went to our district office in lake sumter and talked to one of the officals. His answer was yes, it does come from the dump. The odor (stench) that smells like rotten eggs, comes from Hydrogen Sulfide. (Look it up on the internate. Very interesting.) When the odor starts those at the dump bulldoze over it hoping to quell it. Problem is, I don't believe they do an Air Quality Index Test. (AQI) If they don't, it should be done. According to my research on the internet, prolong inhaling, depending on the levels of HS can prove harmful. As you all know, for those of us who live south of 466A, the dump is now in the middle of all of us because of all the expansion that is on going. I have made at least five telephone calls to find out who was in charge of the dump. There is only one, and that is the contractor who over sees it. I have tried to reach him, but so far, no luck. Maybe the EPA might have to get involve. That dump initially, had not been a problem until they started expanding south of 466A and it's not going to go away. Don't breath to deep when you catch a whiff of HS.

[golfing eagles]

Like many others here, we found the smells along Morse between Pinellas and Hillsborough to be strong and offensive. To us, the dominant odor seemed to be raw sewage.

It may have been done on purpose to make those from New Jersey feel at home:1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

I want to start a rumor, because even I think this is a problem and I can't bear to think my beloved Morses would let us down.




My rumor is that all of the digging on their property and the carrying off of truckload after truckload of dirt is in preparation for them moving the stinky stuff up near us.


There.

[dbussone]

It may have been done on purpose to make those from New Jersey feel at home:1rotfl:


Oh you are on a roll today! Better watch out for a certain faction that may not appreciate it though. Capiche?

[CFrance]

It may have been done on purpose to make those from New Jersey feel at home:1rotfl:
:popcorn::popcorn:

[golfing eagles]

Oh you are on a roll today! Better watch out for a certain faction that may not appreciate it though. Capiche?

Those guys are OK, everyone gets to post an opinion. I took my 10 minute "time out" then got back on my bicycle:1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

I want to start a rumor, because even I think this is a problem and I can't bear to think my beloved Morses would let us down.


Oh, no. Now you are REALLY worrying me
Is the moon blue? Can pigs fly now? Is this the apocalypse?

Please, sit down, have a drink, put a cool rag on your forehead, check you blood pressure and watch a comedy movie. Then, once you regain your senses, you can reflect on what you just said:1rotfl:

[dbussone]

I want to start a rumor, because even I think this is a problem and I can't bear to think my beloved Morses would let us down.




My rumor is that all of the digging on their property and the carrying off of truckload after truckload of dirt is in preparation for them moving the stinky stuff up near us.


There.


Not to worry Gracie. The landfill is operated by and licensed to Hewitt Construction Company: Hewitt Contracting Company Contact Information (http://www.hewittcontracting.com/landfills.html)
On the other hand, if those trucks you see are Hewitt trucks, all bets are off.

[Darlene Lansing]

Embarrassing when guest are staying with you !!!!!! NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT !!!!! We shouldn't have to close up the house in this great weather :MOJE_whot:

[RickeyD]

Rotten egg smell means rotting drywall in landfills (http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/proceedings/19705330/rotten-egg-smell-means-rotting-drywall-landfills)

[golfing eagles]

Rotten egg smell means rotting drywall in landfills (http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/proceedings/19705330/rotten-egg-smell-means-rotting-drywall-landfills)

Why didn't they dump this stuff in New Jersey, where it belongs?:1rotfl:

[RickeyD]

Why didn't they dump this stuff in New Jersey, where it belongs?:1rotfl:

Seems to be specific to Florida. Won't stink in Jersey, not that it matters :1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Seems to be specific to Florida. Won't stink in Jersey, not that it matters :1rotfl:

I think you mean it won't be noticed amid all the other smells in NJ:1rotfl:
I remember as a kid crossing the Goethel's Bridge into Secaucus and Elizabeth and having to hold my nose. Maybe Tony Soprano dumped drywall there

[RickeyD]

http://www3.epa.gov/epawaste/hazard/generation/sqg/const/cdrpt.pdf

[RickeyD]

http://avogadro.chem.iastate.edu/MSDS/hydrogen_sulfide.pdf

[dbussone]

I think you mean it won't be noticed amid all the other smells in NJ:1rotfl:

I remember as a kid crossing the Goethel's Bridge into Secaucus and Elizabeth and having to hold my nose. Maybe Tony Soprano dumped drywall there


You definitely need to get into the witness protection program.

[golfing eagles]

You definitely need to get into the witness protection program.

Not really, I know Tony

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Please don't blame it on the Snowbirds.

[golfing eagles]

Please don't blame it on the Snowbirds.

If there's a way to do that, someone will find it:1rotfl:

[village dreamer]

everyone knows what it is but, wont say.............dog pooooo

[dbussone]

everyone knows what it is but, wont say.............dog pooooo


My dog is offended. Those in the know know it is rotting Chinese Sheetrock.. You know, the stuff that was recalled because it was dangerous to your health.

[RickeyD]

My dog is offended. Those in the know know it is rotting Chinese Sheetrock.. You know, the stuff that was recalled because it was dangerous to your health.

So that's why the new pool house in LaBelle resembles a pagoda :spoken:

[dbussone]

So that's why the new pool house in LaBelle resembles a pagoda :spoken:


Ho! Right on.

[Pmount]

The odor issue has some interest to us as we just purchased in Charlotte. We have been staying in Labelle north. We have not smelled this odor yet, is it dependent on the Wind? If it is from the landfill, how do the workers work in that smell? Are they wearing masks? Will be moving in Nov 1, and have been at pool once. So far no smell!

[outlaw]

I'm sure the developer is taking care of this issue. Just be patient. In the meantime, may I recommend Walmart's swimmer nose clip?

[RickeyD]

I'm sure the developer is taking care of this issue. Just be patient. In the meantime, may I recommend Walmart's swimmer nose clip?


Maybe if we pray hard enough our prayers will come true. Now I lay me down to sleep ...

[CFrance]

Maybe if we pray hard enough our prayers will come true. Now I lay me down to sleep ...
I pray to God the smell won't seep
into my room while I'm asleep
and cause my nose and eyes to weep.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

It must be the snowbirds... lol just kidding we are SB's

[RickeyD]

[QUOTE=CFrance;1136432][/B]I pray to God the smell won't seep
into my room while I'm asleep
and cause my nose and eyes to weep.[/

and if I shall die before I wake

I pray my soul, my Lord will take

[Phanatic Luvr]

[/B]I pray to God the smell won't seep
into my room while I'm asleep
and cause my nose and eyes to weep.

I love wit! Too funny!

[dbussone]

[QUOTE=CFrance;1136432][/B]I pray to God the smell won't seep
into my room while I'm asleep
and cause my nose and eyes to weep.[/

and if I shall die before I wake

I pray my soul, my Lord will take


You forgot....AMEN!

[Jim 9922]

A dump is a dump, so it will continue to stink until they put a final cap on it sometime in the future. The permit for operation of the dump was recently renewed for several years, so all the newbies will just have to hold their noses and breathe shallow; especially when it is damp and wet such as today and tonight. Or, if the wind is from the North you will get the smoke smells from the Burke's BBQ joint across the street. I admire the foresight of the Developer to put golf courses on the side of the dump. "Lipstick on a pig" is how the saying goes, and then we will get the opportunity to buy the executive courses back from the Developer at an inflated price for "dump side" property.
Rumor has it that its name will be Mt. Morse and when capped will be the home observatory base for the Astronomy Club! Our claim to fame will that a dump will be the highest elevation in The Villages, another bit of statistical trivia to be added to the number of pools, holes played , golf balls lost, etc.

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=RickeyD;1136450]


You forgot....AMEN!
I thought about it, but I didn't want it to seem more irreverent than it already was.:evil6:

[RickeyD]

A dump is a dump, so it will continue to stink until they put a final cap on it sometime in the future. The permit for operation of the dump was recently renewed for several years, so all the newbies will just have to hold their noses and breathe shallow; especially when it is damp and wet such as today and tonight. Or, if the wind is from the North you will get the smoke smells from the Burke's BBQ joint across the street. I admire the foresight of the Developer to put golf courses on the side of the dump. "Lipstick on a pig" is how the saying goes, and then we will get the opportunity to buy the executive courses back from the Developer at an inflated price for "dump side" property.
Rumor has it that its name will be Mt. Morse and when capped will be the home observatory base for the Astronomy Club! Our claim to fame will that a dump will be the highest elevation in The Villages, another bit of statistical trivia to be added to the number of pools, holes played , golf balls lost, etc.


Dumpster Side Landing ?

[golfing eagles]

Dumpster Side Landing ?

Sheetrock Springs?

Rottenwood Square?

[outlaw]

Dumpster PRESERVE. Those preserve lots cost more.

[EnglishJW]

Sheetrock Springs?

Rottenwood Square?

I realize this is a bit off topic but it is a true story. My father was a painter. He was working for a developer who had just put the finishing touches on a number of model homes with names like the Elmwood, the Oakwood and the Maplewood. There was an old farm house on the property that we assumed was going to be torn down given the condition it was in. The developer decided to clean it up a bit and sell it. My brother, on the spot when we heard this from the developer, asked if it was going to be called the Rottenwood.

[dbussone]

Dumpster PRESERVE. Those preserve lots cost more.


Excellent retort.!

[howardandsheila]

Maggot Mountain.

[Jim 9922]

Stink Pot Hill :yuck:

[midtee9]

Where are the CDD9 folks with the detailed plan of action/fix........the Morse's........Sumter county officials.......EPA and all the other relevant parties working for the good of the fine people of Charlotte?

[tomwed]

I'm thinking the Morses ought to build a Blue Cheese Factory on the sight.

[graciegirl]

O.K. We have defined and offered suggestions.


And joked around. People LIVE in Charlotte who are thinking


It ain't funny, McGee.


Hopefully soon It will be moved or will biodegrade.

[Jim 9922]

O.K. We have defined and offered suggestions.


And joked around. People LIVE in Charlotte who are thinking


It ain't funny, McGee.


Hopefully soon It will be moved or will biodegrade.


Sorry Gracie, the dump has been operating long before the Developer bought the surrounding property. Biodegradation will take a lot longer than your and my lifetimes. And as for moving a dump? It is only done in situations of toxic cleanups and no dump owner really wants to poke around in a existing dump for fear of finding out what really has been buried there in the past. You can be sure every environmental agency and tree hugger within 1,000 miles would come to attend the event! The eventual outcome for Mt. Morse will probably be a soil cap studded with a few "flare tubes" to burn off the gas created by the decomposing trash; The Villages version of the eternal flame.
As for a near term closing, I doubt it. Its operating permit was just renewed a few months ago without a public whimper from the Developer. In fact, I would guess that one of the conditions of the Developer acquiring the surrounding land was that the dump would be allowed to operate unmolested.

[graciegirl]

Sorry Gracie, the dump has been operating long before the Developer bought the surrounding property. Biodegradation will take a lot longer than your and my lifetimes. And as for moving a dump? It is only done in situations of toxic cleanups and no dump owner really wants to poke around in a existing dump for fear of finding out what really has been buried there in the past. You can be sure every environmental agency and tree hugger within 1,000 miles would come to attend the event! The eventual outcome for Mt. Morse will probably be a soil cap studded with a few "flare tubes" to burn off the gas created by the decomposing trash; The Villages version of the eternal flame.
As for a near term closing, I doubt it. Its operating permit was just renewed a few months ago without a public whimper from the Developer. In fact, I would guess that one of the conditions of the Developer acquiring the surrounding land was that the dump would be allowed to operate unmolested.



People live in Charlotte.

[golfing eagles]

People live in Charlotte.

I wonder if they knew about the dump prior to purchase?? Was it disclosed by the sales dept.?

When they started building homes on Staten Island near the worlds largest landfill, the real estate agents would bring prospective buyers in the "back way", so they did not see the dump, and then only on days the wind was blowing away from them. These people were quite unhappy with the subsequent stench and the millions of seagulls that accompanied it. Because these homes were 3 stories tall built close together on relatively narrow streets, you could not see the 250 foot high dump at all, so if you were unfamiliar with the area, you would have no idea it was there.

I hope TV sales was a lot more ethical with those who bought in Charlotte.

[RickeyD]

I wonder if they knew about the dump prior to purchase?? Was it disclosed by the sales dept.?



When they started building homes on Staten Island near the worlds largest landfill, the real estate agents would bring prospective buyers in the "back way", so they did not see the dump, and then only on days the wind was blowing away from them. These people were quite unhappy with the subsequent stench and the millions of seagulls that accompanied it. Because these homes were 3 stories tall built close together on relatively narrow streets, you could not see the 250 foot high dump at all, so if you were unfamiliar with the area, you would have no idea it was there.



I hope TV sales was a lot more ethical with those who bought in Charlotte.


In what way would they have been ethical ? Unless they told the prospects that the plateau was a dump you would never know . Maybe some people asked what that plateau was, maybe they didn't. Maybe the sales agent didn't know, maybe they did. Many people purchase homes sight unseen, how would they have been told ? A lot of unanswered questions and a lot of unhappy people. We bought our home sight unseen, it could have been in Charlotte, but it wasn't.

[outlaw]

Fortunately the dump smell only affects a few thousand homes, if that many. And anyway, the landscaping is pretty.

[golfing eagles]

In what way would they have been ethical ? Unless they told the prospects that the plateau was a dump you would never know . Maybe some people asked what that plateau was, maybe they didn't. Maybe the sales agent didn't know, maybe they did. Many people purchase homes sight unseen, how would they have been told ? A lot of unanswered questions and a lot of unhappy people. We bought our home sight unseen, it could have been in Charlotte, but it wasn't.

It would only be unethical if they knew about the smell and withheld that information, or deliberately tried to conceal it, like they did on Staten Island

[RickeyD]

It would only be unethical if they knew about the smell and withheld that information, or deliberately tried to conceal it, like they did on Staten Island


My point is this. The powers that be knew of it's existence and proximity to the lots they planned out. Whether the sales agents knew or not doesn't matter.

[TheVillageChicken]

Could be worse. Ever lived anywhere near a paper mill?

[RickeyD]

Could be worse. Ever lived anywhere near a paper mill?


Typically, that housing today would be referred to as workforce housing. The Villages is not, inexcusable !

[twoplanekid]

From the discussion (closed thread) in 2013, they didn't know about the dump.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/does-anyone-else-smell-strong-funny-smell-outside-84495/

[golfing eagles]

My point is this. The powers that be knew of it's existence and proximity to the lots they planned out. Whether the sales agents knew or not doesn't matter.

But did they know about the smell. There have been homes in that vicinity for a while now, but the smell issue just came up recently. Could it be something that was dumped there that wasn't there before--like "Chinese sheetrock", or something else

[RickeyD]

But did they know about the smell. There have been homes in that vicinity for a while now, but the smell issue just came up recently. Could it be something that was dumped there that wasn't there before--like "Chinese sheetrock", or something else


They hire experts to figure these things out. It should have come up as a possible exposure by an environmental engineer. We rely on them to know what they are doing so we can make the right decision with our lifetime savings. We can only do so much research and due diligence based upon given facts. I would never ever purchase a house near a dump, construction refuse or not. I'm sure if the potential buyers knew the houses they were interested in were next to a dump, active or not, many wouldn't have pulled the trigger.

[twoplanekid]

But did they know about the smell. There have been homes in that vicinity for a while now, but the smell issue just came up recently. Could it be something that was dumped there that wasn't there before--like "Chinese sheetrock", or something else

People were smelling something in 2013. Is this a picture of the dump in question?

[RickeyD]

Yes

[graciegirl]

Doc. The issue of Chinese sheetrock has been discussed on this forum. It has never been used in The Villages.

[RickeyD]

Doc. The issue of Chinese sheetrock has been discussed on this forum. It has never been used in The Villages.


Does all the construction debris come from the Villages ?

[graciegirl]

Does all the construction debris come from the Villages ?



I dunno.


Here is a link to previous threads on Chinese Sheetrock.
If this doesn't work, just type "Chinese sheetrock' into the search feature in the toolbar at the top of the page.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/search.php?searchid=11446215

[golfing eagles]

Doc. The issue of Chinese sheetrock has been discussed on this forum. It has never been used in The Villages.

Didn't know---some poster was going on and on about it. Actually, I hope the contractors are BUYING AMERICAN!

[Jim 9922]

I expressed concern about the dump in a 1/29/15 thread "A Dump In The Middle Of The Villages". The general consensus then was no problem, no stink, no issue. Guess what, dead trees, construction wood and materials, and whatever else that finds its way into "construction dumpsters" gas and stink as they decay. I assume 20 plus years of The Villages construction, land clearing, and development detritus has ended up there. It was close and probably cheaper than hauling it away from the Villages area. And, I am guessing it continues to be.
One other problem that will occur as the wood material decays away, Mt. Morse will shrink and shift as the buried material rots and collapses giving the 2 golf courses a whole new play from time to time over the next 75 or 100 years.
Hopefully there is a clay liner at the bottom of the thing to help protect the ground water as the rain water flows thru it and the pile "dissolves" and rots away, and we will always have the eternal flame stacks to burn off the trapped gasses once the thing is capped.


(IDEA: Maybe that's where we should put the indoor heated pool -- at a source of free gas to heat the building and pool):a040:

[RickeyD]

I expressed concern about the dump in a 1/29/15 thread "A Dump In The Middle Of The Villages". The general consensus then was no problem, no stink, no issue. Guess what, dead trees, construction wood and materials, and whatever else that finds its way into "construction dumpsters" gas and stink as they decay. I assume 20 plus years of The Villages construction, land clearing, and development detritus has ended up there. It was close and probably cheaper than hauling it away from the Villages area. And, I am guessing it continues to be.
One other problem that will occur as the wood material decays away, Mt. Morse will shrink and shift as the buried material rots and collapses giving the 2 golf courses a whole new play from time to time over the next 75 or 100 years.
Hopefully there is a clay liner at the bottom of the thing to help protect the ground water as the rain water flows thru it and the pile "dissolves" and rots away, and we will always have the eternal flame stacks to burn off the trapped gasses once the thing is capped.


(IDEA: Maybe that's where we should put the indoor heated pool -- at a source of free gas to heat the building and pool):a040:



It's Alive !!!

[Jim 9922]

It's Alive !!!

Yes, just ask someone who lives on or near one or who is involved in "cleaning" them up. Think "Super Fund" projects if you want the worst of the worst.

[graciegirl]

I expressed concern about the dump in a 1/29/15 thread "A Dump In The Middle Of The Villages". The general consensus then was no problem, no stink, no issue. Guess what, dead trees, construction wood and materials, and whatever else that finds its way into "construction dumpsters" gas and stink as they decay. I assume 20 plus years of The Villages construction, land clearing, and development detritus has ended up there. It was close and probably cheaper than hauling it away from the Villages area. And, I am guessing it continues to be.
One other problem that will occur as the wood material decays away, Mt. Morse will shrink and shift as the buried material rots and collapses giving the 2 golf courses a whole new play from time to time over the next 75 or 100 years.
Hopefully there is a clay liner at the bottom of the thing to help protect the ground water as the rain water flows thru it and the pile "dissolves" and rots away, and we will always have the eternal flame stacks to burn off the trapped gasses once the thing is capped.


(IDEA: Maybe that's where we should put the indoor heated pool -- at a source of free gas to heat the building and pool):a040:
You live in La Reynalda? Fifteen miles away from it.

[Jim 9922]

You live in La Reynalda? Fifteen miles away from it.

Very true, but that doesn't mean I'm not concerned. It is in MY Villages which includes the property From Lopez to Brownwood and all the facilities to enjoy and use. We use all of The Villages and appreciate how nice it is and wish to keep it that way. My real concern is about the people buying unknowingly near the dump and the continual problems the dump will pose for all of us villagers. My world is larger than just my neighborhood.

P.S. I live about 6 miles from it, about the same as you Gracie.

[RickeyD]

Very true, but that doesn't mean I'm not concerned. It is in MY Villages which includes the property From Lopez to Brownwood and all the facilities to enjoy and use. We use all of The Villages and appreciate how nice it is and wish to keep it that way. My real concern is about the people buying unknowingly near the dump and the continual problems the dump will pose for all of us villagers. My world is larger than just my neighborhood.


Unfortunately people are buying around that area every day within easy eyeshot of the dump that doesn't look like a dump. We took our golf cart off course to see what was in there. I was intrigued when I spotted construction trailers. Went to google satellite view and figured it out from there. We attended the initial open house opening at Pine Hills. No mention was made of the dump from anyone. ( this was before we knew what the hill really was ) You are very correct. It affects all Villagers. I'm concerned and I live 3 line of site miles from it. I'll never smell it but I know it's there, in the middle of our neighborhoods ! Bothers the hell out of me so that's why I vent here.

[Darlene Lansing]

Are there regulations for the dump ? As to the level of STENCH acceptable for our health ? When eyes are burning and the smell nauseates , I would think the EPA might need to be contacted ???? Maybe the VCDD OR THE POA COULD ADVISE ????????

[Darlene Lansing]

Very true, but that doesn't mean I'm not concerned. It is in MY Villages which includes the property From Lopez to Brownwood and all the facilities to enjoy and use. We use all of The Villages and appreciate how nice it is and wish to keep it that way. My real concern is about the people buying unknowingly near the dump and the continual problems the dump will pose for all of us villagers. My world is larger than just my neighborhood.

P.S. I live about 6 miles from it, about the same as you Gracie.

I appreciate your involvement , I live in Charlotte and I am VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EMBARRASING STENTCH for us as residents and for our guests that come to visit our FABULOUS VILLAGES ! I want to get to the bottom of this and have a SOLUTION to our problem !!!!! I just don't understand WHY EVERYONE isn't complaining about the smell !!!!! I also would think the fire house PUBLIC SAFETY building would be up in arms about this !!!!!!:bigbow:

[RickeyD]

I appreciate your involvement , I live in Charlotte and I am VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EMBARRASING STENTCH for us as residents and for our guests that come to visit our FABULOUS VILLAGES ! I want to get to the bottom of this and have a SOLUTION to our problem !!!!! I just don't understand WHY EVERYONE isn't complaining about the smell !!!!! I also would think the fire house PUBLIC SAFETY building would be up in arms about this !!!!!!:bigbow:


I'm not a lawyer but I would think that a permit to operate a dump is not a permit to create a nuisance. His operation is having a overreaching effect on your right to enjoy your property and possibly endangering your health. Only a consultation with an attorney can answer your questions with a possible remedy. Since you are directly affected, only YOU and others in your situation can initiate this. It ain't gonna go away on its own.

[Villageswimmer]

I'm not a lawyer but I would think that a permit to operate a dump is not a permit to create a nuisance. His operation is having a overreaching effect on your right to enjoy your property and possibly endangering your health. Only a consultation with an attorney can answer your questions with a possible remedy. Since you are directly affected, only YOU and others in your situation can initiate this. It ain't gonna go away on its own.

Also, are your CDD supervisors addressing this? I'm really sorry you have to deal with this. I'd be very upset about it, too.

[golfing eagles]

Unfortunately people are buying around that area every day within easy eyeshot of the dump that doesn't look like a dump. We took our golf cart off course to see what was in there. I was intrigued when I spotted construction trailers. Went to google satellite view and figured it out from there. We attended the initial open house opening at Pine Hills. No mention was made of the dump from anyone. ( this was before we knew what the hill really was ) You are very correct. It affects all Villagers. I'm concerned and I live 3 line of site miles from it. I'll never smell it but I know it's there, in the middle of our neighborhoods ! Bothers the hell out of me so that's why I vent here.

I agree. First of all, I feel sorry for those directly affected, especially anyone who had no idea about the dump or smell when they bought. Having lived on Staten Island for 3 years, I know how acrid the odor from a dump can become.

Rick---can you SEE the dump? I look right across Egret and can't see it. But it also possible that a strong east wind could bring the smell all the way across the areas south of 466A. Had we been looking to buy 6 months later, we could very well be much closer to the dump as well.

I hope some sort of solution can be found, actually, I hope some one in charge is addressing the problem. As you know, once the lawyers become involved, it will take on a life of its own, and usually no one wins.

[RickeyD]

I agree. First of all, I feel sorry for those directly affected, especially anyone who had no idea about the dump or smell when they bought. Having lived on Staten Island for 3 years, I know how acrid the odor from a dump can become.



Rick---can you SEE the dump? I look right across Egret and can't see it. But it also possible that a strong east wind could bring the smell all the way across the areas south of 466A. Had we been looking to buy 6 months later, we could very well be much closer to the dump as well.



I hope some sort of solution can be found, actually, I hope some one in charge is addressing the problem. As you know, once the lawyers become involved, it will take on a life of its own, and usually no one wins.


I'm west of you, I can't see it. Don't think we'll smell it because hydrogen sulfide is heavier than air. I hope [emoji53]

[CFrance]

This forum is obviously geared toward those that live in TV, so it's not unexpected to see locations abbreviated. I will be in TV in the next 30-60 days. Would someone take the time to write specific locations where these odors are? I would like to check them out for myself, while I search for property. I may find the odor level acceptable (probably not) or I'll not devote any of the few days I have in TV to those areas. Your help is appreciated. Also, you can send me a private note if you wish. Thanks.Along 466A, about the Colony shopping center area to the end of the new Pine Ridge development, the odor is at times very bad. Not every day, and not all year long. I imagine the odor might be gone by the time you arrive to house hunt. But we smell it every summer when driving on that road, and it is very strong.

Others can tell you different places. We live a bit north of 466A and don't get the odor at all in Tamarind Grove.

[TheVillageChicken]

Could the smell be coming from dead horses?

[graciegirl]

Along 466A, about the Colony shopping center area to the end of the new Pine Ridge development, the odor is at times very bad. Not every day, and not all year long. I imagine the odor might be gone by the time you arrive to house hunt. But we smell it every summer when driving on that road, and it is very strong.

Others can tell you different places. We live a bit north of 466A and don't get the odor at all in Tamarind Grove.



I agree. There are other areas where sewage is handled that it stinks sometimes. AND more advice to Retiring. See below


It may be an unsolvable problem as Jim says. Jim has been involved in how these things work in the past and I want to apologize to him for saying he lives far away.. I always thought that sooner or later that things rotted and stopped smelling. I was wrong.


There is the train noise too and never buy next to an area that has nothing right now, it may have something in the future.


Do not buy a home with a kissing lanai if you see an orchestra stand on the lanai with tuba music.


Do not buy where there are any dogs. They sometimes bark and always poop. If you get a large lot there will be more fire ants. Screening in your lanai does not keep out gecko's and there are rats out there in the dark and coyotes and alligators and bobcats, but so far, no bear.


There are two political parties but hardly anyone ever talks politics. They do type politics.


Don't live near a fire station because this time of the year when we get crowded, those boys never sleep and neither will you.


Be careful of anyone who comes to your door trying to sell you things or anyone who offers you a free lunch. Even attractive single women who appear with casseroles, Ask first to see their bank statement.


Final warning. Are you aware that there are a lot of old-er people living here??? They aren't just in the old sections, there are pockets of them everywhere. Some are grouchy, some are fun.


Move here at your own risk.

[Bay Kid]

On holes 3 & 4 @ Bacall the smell was really bad yesterday. It reminded me of Grandma's 2 seat outhouse in August.

[Villageswimmer]

I agree. There are other areas where sewage is handled that it stinks sometimes. AND more advice to Retiring. See below


It may be an unsolvable problem as Jim says. Jim has been involved in how these things work in the past and I want to apologize to him for saying he lives far away.. I always thought that sooner or later that things rotted and stopped smelling. I was wrong.


There is the train noise too and never buy next to an area that has nothing right now, it may have something in the future.


Do not buy a home with a kissing lanai if you see an orchestra stand on the lanai with tuba music.


Do not buy where there are any dogs. They sometimes bark and always poop. If you get a large lot there will be more fire ants. Screening in your lanai does not keep out gecko's and there are rats out there in the dark and coyotes and alligators and bobcats, but so far, no bear.


There are two political parties but hardly anyone ever talks politics. They do type politics.


Don't live near a fire station because this time of the year when we get crowded, those boys never sleep and neither will you.


Be careful of anyone who comes to your door trying to sell you things or anyone who offers you a free lunch. Even attractive single women who appear with casseroles, Ask first to see their bank statement.


Final warning. Are you aware that there are a lot of old-er people living here??? They aren't just in the old sections, there are pockets of them everywhere. Some are grouchy, some are fun.


Move here at your own risk.


I'm surprised at your response. Perhaps you didn't mean it, but it comes off as cavalier and insensitive. Doesn't sound like you.

Yes, we all have our problems and annoyances as those you mentioned. IMHO, they pretty much pale with having to endure a disgusting odor and polluted air in my new dream house.

I feel sorry for these folks and hope for a resolution sooner rather than later. This is not something anyone should need to put up with.

[RickeyD]

I'm surprised at your response. Perhaps you didn't mean it, but it comes off as cavalier and insensitive. Doesn't sound like you.



Yes, we all have our problems and annoyances as those you mentioned. IMHO, they pretty much pale with having to endure a disgusting odor and polluted air in my new dream house.



I feel sorry for these folks and hope for a resolution sooner rather than later. This is not something anyone should need to put up with.


Some folks need a Pollyanna intervention, some don't.

[outlaw]

I agree. There are other areas where sewage is handled that it stinks sometimes. AND more advice to Retiring. See below


It may be an unsolvable problem as Jim says. Jim has been involved in how these things work in the past and I want to apologize to him for saying he lives far away.. I always thought that sooner or later that things rotted and stopped smelling. I was wrong.


There is the train noise too and never buy next to an area that has nothing right now, it may have something in the future.


Do not buy a home with a kissing lanai if you see an orchestra stand on the lanai with tuba music.


Do not buy where there are any dogs. They sometimes bark and always poop. If you get a large lot there will be more fire ants. Screening in your lanai does not keep out gecko's and there are rats out there in the dark and coyotes and alligators and bobcats, but so far, no bear.


There are two political parties but hardly anyone ever talks politics. They do type politics.


Don't live near a fire station because this time of the year when we get crowded, those boys never sleep and neither will you.


Be careful of anyone who comes to your door trying to sell you things or anyone who offers you a free lunch. Even attractive single women who appear with casseroles, Ask first to see their bank statement.


Final warning. Are you aware that there are a lot of old-er people living here??? They aren't just in the old sections, there are pockets of them everywhere. Some are grouchy, some are fun.


Move here at your own risk.

Why the negativity? You're retired; be happy if you wake up each morning. The smell means you're still alive and at least your sense of smell is functioning.

[golfing eagles]

Why the negativity? You're retired; be happy if you wake up each morning. The smell means you're still alive and at least your sense of smell is functioning.

OK guys, I think we all know GG well enough to know this is an unusual post. Why not just chalk it up to a bad morning and stop piling on?

[RickeyD]

OK guys, I think we all know GG well enough to know this is an unusual post. Why not just chalk it up to a bad morning and stop piling on?


Your right doc, it's more fun picking on boys instead of girls anyway. That whole sugar & spice thing ya know. I'm outta here !

[golfing eagles]

Your right doc, it's more fun picking on boys instead of girls anyway. That whole sugar & spice thing ya know. I'm outta here !

:agree::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Retiring]

Final warning. Are you aware that there are a lot of old-er people living here??? They aren't just in the old sections, there are pockets of them everywhere. Some are grouchy,


I've noticed.

[golfing eagles]

I've noticed.

Just don't take her post too seriously, I'm still trying to figure it out---there was one this AM on another thread that was clearly satirical

Everything in it is true---about 0.1% of the time---I'm just going to enjoy the other 99.9%

[graciegirl]

....

[Retiring]

Golfing eagles, I hope I have not wore out my welcome here. I know I’ve asked a ton of questions and for some they may seem too nit picky. The fact is at the moment I’m looking at 2 homes, they have the 3 baths and sqft l want, one is $815k and the other is $899k. That is not much money to some but it is to me. I plan to pay cash so it will be a big hit to my finances. When I write that check I want to feel that I have done my “due diligence” and one tool, a great tool, is TOTV. If I decide on TV, I hope to be there the rest of my life. I just turned 54 and since people in my family seem to checkout in their mid 90s, I hope to have 40 years in TV.

The airline business has “forced” me to move many times over the last 30 yrs and I’m tired of moving. I would like to make this next move my last, consequently, all the questions. The people on this forum, especially those that have sent me private messages, have been wonderful and I’m forever grateful. To those that have a tough time when “paradise” is questioned, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings or burst any bubbles. Nothing here is personal, just looking for as many opinions as you’re willing to offer.

There is only one paradise, Heaven :)

[graciegirl]

Golfing eagles, I hope I have not wore out my welcome here. I know I�ve asked a ton of questions and for some they may seem too nit picky. The fact is at the moment I�m looking at 2 homes, they have the 3 baths and sqft l want, one is $815k and the other is $899k. That is not much money to some but it is to me. I plan to pay cash so it will be a big hit to my finances. When I write that check I want to feel that I have done my �due diligence� and one tool, a great tool, is TOTV. If I decide on TV, I hope to be there the rest of my life. I just turned 54 and since people in my family seem to checkout in their mid 90s, I hope to have 40 years in TV.

The airline business has �forced� me to move many times over the last 30 yrs and I�m tired of moving. I would like to make this next move my last, consequently, all the questions. The people on this forum, especially those that have sent me private messages, have been wonderful and I�m forever grateful. To those that have a tough time when �paradise� is questioned, I�m sorry. I didn�t mean to hurt anyone�s feelings or burst any bubbles. Nothing here is personal, just looking for as many opinions as you�re willing to offer.

There is only one paradise, Heaven :)


Before I would invest that large amount (to anybody) I would come here and stay awhile and evaluate everything and get a "feel" for all the areas.


Lower Paradise is a tongue in cheek name given to this place. I almost ALWAYS am TRYING to be clever and almost always fail.


I want you to be happy and you bring out the mother in me, because you are the age of my children. Take your time. Find your happy place and be happy as you can and safe as you can and well as you can for every day of your life.


I LOVE this place and never dreamed that in my final years I could find so much happiness.

[golfing eagles]

Golfing eagles, I hope I have not wore out my welcome here. I know I�ve asked a ton of questions and for some they may seem too nit picky. The fact is at the moment I�m looking at 2 homes, they have the 3 baths and sqft l want, one is $815k and the other is $899k. That is not much money to some but it is to me. I plan to pay cash so it will be a big hit to my finances. When I write that check I want to feel that I have done my �due diligence� and one tool, a great tool, is TOTV. If I decide on TV, I hope to be there the rest of my life. I just turned 54 and since people in my family seem to checkout in their mid 90s, I hope to have 40 years in TV.

The airline business has �forced� me to move many times over the last 30 yrs and I�m tired of moving. I would like to make this next move my last, consequently, all the questions. The people on this forum, especially those that have sent me private messages, have been wonderful and I�m forever grateful. To those that have a tough time when �paradise� is questioned, I�m sorry. I didn�t mean to hurt anyone�s feelings or burst any bubbles. Nothing here is personal, just looking for as many opinions as you�re willing to offer.

There is only one paradise, Heaven :)

How can you "wear out your welcome" asking questions?---That is exactly one of the purposes of this forum---go ahead and keep asking. Besides, I certainly am not in charge here (and anyone who wants to be needs a full psychiatric evaluation) Like all internet sites, just beware of the answers. I don't see how you can be too picky before laying out 800K+--that is a ton of $$$$
Like you, I just retired, relatively young (56). Unlike you, I am looking forward to 70 or 80 years in TV:1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Lower Paradise is a tongue in cheek name given to this place. I almost ALWAYS am TRYING to be clever and almost always fail

I LOVE this place and never dreamed that in my final years I could find so much happiness.

That's more like it---even I was starting to worry a bit

[Retiring]

Thanks golfing eagle and graciegirl.

Ok, one off topic question and you all can go back to the smell in Charlotte thread.

I’m slowing learning all the villagisms. Need help with this one:

Kissing lanai has come up here from time to time. I’ve asked some friends and no one knows what it is. What is it?

At face value it sounds like it’s two lanais that almost touch when two, small lot, houses are back to back. Is that it?

[graciegirl]

That's more like it---even I was starting to worry a bit



Very bright people sometimes fail to recognize sarcasm. Especially when it isn't done well. People with high intelligence seem to see things more literally most of the time.

I am so glad to not suffer from high intelligence.

[golfing eagles]

Thanks golfing eagle and graciegirl.

Ok, one off topic question and you all can go back to the smell in Charlotte thread.

I�m slowing learning all the villagisms. Need help with this one:

Kissing lanai has come up here from time to time. I�ve asked some friends and no one knows what it is. What is it?

At face value it sounds like it�s two lanais that almost touch when two, small lot, houses are back to back. Is that it?

We're here to help (and tell jokes). I believe you are correct about kissing lanais, but I'm pretty new, so I'm sure someone with more experience will answer. IMHO, kissing lanais are better than smelly lanais:1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Very bright people sometimes fail to recognize sarcasm. Especially when it isn't done well. People with high intelligence seem to see things more literally most of the time.

I am so glad to not suffer from high intelligence.

I caught it on the other thread, I might have been the only one. This one was tough, even for me. But since it's almost Halloween, a "scary" post was in order, even a satirical one

[Pmount]

I think this started out as a Charlotte odor thread and would like to ask if this odor has been noticed around the neighborhood pool, mailbox area or down by Captiva pool? Just how far West does it seem to travel?

[golfing eagles]

I think this started out as a Charlotte odor thread and would like to ask if this odor has been noticed around the neighborhood pool, mailbox area or down by Captiva pool? Just how far West does it seem to travel?

Don't know---It doesn't reach either the Hillsborough or Lake Deaton pools, nor Evans Prairie clubhouse. Perhaps people who live in the area could post if they smell it and how far west they are.

[dbussone]

It has not, in my experience, been noted anywhere near The Captiva pool, or the Sanibel pool.

[Pmount]

It has not, in my experience, been noted anywhere near The Captiva pool, or the Sanibel pool.

Ok thanks, my wife starts moving in tomorrow and I will be there Wed. Have been to neighborhood pool once and did not notice anything but that means nothing. Looking forward to meeting our Charlotte neighbors, we will be 2 blocks East of pool. I have to wonder how the folks that work there put up with it. I have not experienced it yet but believe those that say it is bad. Hope we can get to the bottom of and maybe find a solution.

[dbussone]

Ok thanks, my wife starts moving in tomorrow and I will be there Wed. Have been to neighborhood pool once and did not notice anything but that means nothing. Looking forward to meeting our Charlotte neighbors, we will be 2 blocks East of pool. I have to wonder how the folks that work there put up with it. I have not experienced it yet but believe those that say it is bad. Hope we can get to the bottom of and maybe find a solution.


The consensus and most knowledgeable opinion is the origin of the odor is from a construction landfill which is further east of Morse Blvd. it is immediately south and east of the TV border in Fruitland Park. (Change made to correct direction)

[golfing eagles]

Ok thanks, my wife starts moving in tomorrow and I will be there Wed. Have been to neighborhood pool once and did not notice anything but that means nothing. Looking forward to meeting our Charlotte neighbors, we will be 2 blocks East of pool. I have to wonder how the folks that work there put up with it. I have not experienced it yet but believe those that say it is bad. Hope we can get to the bottom of and maybe find a solution.

Welcome!
You're beating me down by a week, I'm jealous:cryin2:

I hope you don't encounter any bad odors, and if your neighbors are anything like ours, you'll be thrilled

[Pmount]

Thanks, we have had nothing but but great e peri ended when checking it out, although there are a lot of people needing money in the beginning!

[golfing eagles]

Thanks, we have had nothing but but great e peri ended when checking it out, although there are a lot of people needing money in the beginning!

and there will be more of them---I didn't believe it but my neighbor's motto was " a thousand a day". Just be careful of who you deal with

[Pmount]

and there will be more of them---I didn't believe it but my neighbor's motto was " a thousand a day". Just be careful of who you deal with


LOL, if it is a thousand a day I will last 2 weeks!

[golfing eagles]

LOL, if it is a thousand a day I will last 2 weeks!

longer than me!

[twoplanekid]

and there will be more of them---I didn't believe it but my neighbor's motto was " a thousand a day". Just be careful of who you deal with

boat people - (bring out another thousand)

[midtee9]

With a Northeast or East wind...driving north on Charlotte Ct to Pinellas Pl.
The strong odor of H2S starts around the Charlotte pool and usually persists
to the area of Sarasota golf course and driving range , as you drive North on Morse Blvd
to 466A.
This situation needs to be remediated by the CDD9 supervisors and all other relevant parties for the for the good of all the people of Charlotte and the great place we know as The Villages!

[graciegirl]

With a Northeast or East wind...driving north on Charlotte Ct to Pinellas Pl.
The strong odor of H2SO4 (sulfur) starts around the Charlotte pool and usually persists
to the area of Sarasota golf course and driving range , as you drive North on Morse Blvd
to 466A.
This situation needs to be remediated by the CDD9 supervisors and all other relevant parties for the for the good of all the people of Charlotte and the great place we know as The Villages!


And how do you propose to fix it? There are months that I don't smell anything. Landfills do happen as a result of people living. Are any of you posting active in the environmental group?

[midtee9]

We have elected officials and other people with the expertise to solve/fix these issues here and in other parts of The Villages. You use the fire department for fires that you cannot control......and other service people for issues that you can not solve......in the private sector and in government.

[graciegirl]

We have elected officials and other people with the expertise to solve/fix these issues here and in other parts of The Villages. You use the fire department for fires that you cannot control......and other service people for issues that you can not solve......in the private sector and in government.


Who might these people be? The POA??????

Do you live close to the area?

Are you part of the environmental group? If so what do they propose?

[Darlene Lansing]

I spoke to the secretary AT THE DUMP today / they are well aware of the problem and our discontent !! For a couple of weeks now they have been covering it with 2 feet of clay , ( her words ) Also are trying a special SPRAY to quiet down the smell .
The smell comes from the decaying vegetation dumped at the location . They have been in business since 2002 .
I expressed our concerns and suggested a 'common sense approach' to the problem , to try baking soda or vinegar . I' bet the engineers will get a laugh out of my suggestion . A simple solution for a BIG PROBLEM !!!!! She stated
They are in compliance with the the Sate of Florida environment Ass. Which regulates dump sites .
While I don't see a quick fix for our problem I do think they are trying to do what is physically possible to quiet the STENCH .

[outlaw]

Thanks golfing eagle and graciegirl.

Ok, one off topic question and you all can go back to the smell in Charlotte thread.

I�m slowing learning all the villagisms. Need help with this one:

Kissing lanai has come up here from time to time. I�ve asked some friends and no one knows what it is. What is it?

At face value it sounds like it�s two lanais that almost touch when two, small lot, houses are back to back. Is that it?

Kissing lanais are just as you thought. Many of the houses are built on postage size lots. Many of these small lots are configured so that you could actually end up with 5 kissing lanais; your lanai, your neighbors' lanais on each side of you, and your two neighbors' lanais that back up to the back of your lot. The way this can happen is that the lots backing up to your lot are offset by about half the length of your lot, so that you have two back lots bordering your lot. Anyway, we are talking so close that you could be sitting on your lanai and visiting with four neighbors using a normal conversational volume. there are a lot of lots that are on the golf course, on a street, a corner, a retention pond, etc., that eliminates one or more of these potential kissing lanais. Also, keep in mind that if you want to add a pool, make sure you have the backyard space to do this. Although there are many "free" pools here, there are a lot of people that end up building a pool in their backyard. Do your homework!

[golfing eagles]

With a Northeast or East wind...driving north on Charlotte Ct to Pinellas Pl.
The strong odor of H2SO4 (sulfur) starts around the Charlotte pool and usually persists
to the area of Sarasota golf course and driving range , as you drive North on Morse Blvd
to 466A.


I do hope you're not smelling H2SO4---sulfuric acid, it would quickly have a "deleterious" effect on your respiratory system. The rotten egg smell is most likely hydrogen sulfide (H2S), generated by the decomposition of organic material in a dump. But is still sucks if you have to smell it.

[kittygilchrist]

This in regards to the strong odor that permeated (stench) that was smelled through the villages south of 466A. The odor comes from the dump (used building materials) that sits directly behind the Volusia Golf Course. I went to our district office in lake sumter and talked to one of the officals. His answer was yes, it does come from the dump. The odor (stench) that smells like rotten eggs, comes from Hydrogen Sulfide. (Look it up on the internate. Very interesting.) When the odor starts those at the dump bulldoze over it hoping to quell it. Problem is, I don't believe they do an Air Quality Index Test. (AQI) If they don't, it should be done. According to my research on the internet, prolong inhaling, depending on the levels of HS can prove harmful. As you all know, for those of us who live south of 466A, the dump is now in the middle of all of us because of all the expansion that is on going. I have made at least five telephone calls to find out who was in charge of the dump. There is only one, and that is the contractor who over sees it. I have tried to reach him, but so far, no luck. Maybe the EPA might have to get involve. That dump initially, had not been a problem until they started expanding south of 466A and it's not going to go away. Don't breath to deep when you catch a whiff of HS.

Thank you.

[graciegirl]

I spoke to the secretary AT THE DUMP today / they are well aware of the problem and our discontent !! For a couple of weeks now they have been covering it with 2 feet of clay , ( her words ) Also are trying a special SPRAY to quiet down the smell .
The smell comes from the decaying vegetation dumped at the location . They have been in business since 2002 .
I expressed our concerns and suggested a 'common sense approach' to the problem , to try baking soda or vinegar . I' bet the engineers will get a laugh out of my suggestion . A simple solution for a BIG PROBLEM !!!!! She stated
They are in compliance with the the Sate of Florida environment Ass. Which regulates dump sites .
While I don't see a quick fix for our problem I do think they are trying to do what is physically possible to quiet the STENCH .


THIS was posted yesterday.

Here is a site that might have answers; Title V Operating Permits - Division of Air Resource Management - FDEP (http://www.dep.state.fl.us/air/emission/tv_ops.htm)

[Jim 9922]

Why now and how has this dump become a problem? Just my thoughts and observations:
First, until this year there were relatively few people living near the site. The dump probably emitted odors but no one was around long enough to really recognize the continuing problem.
Second, take a pile of trash in cool Spring weather, add 3 feet of rain water over the Summer, bake it for 3 or 4 months in 95 degree direct sunshine and bring it to a nice "boil" just as the season changes to cooler, with maybe damp, cool morning air, throw in a little air inversion because the winds are calmer or the ground air isn't rising as fast with the less intense sunlight and you get the ground level smells. It is probable that as our Seasons cool the decaying action will slow, disbursing winds pick up again, and the dump's normal layer covering procedures will keep up with the odor releases so the smell problem will "go away" again until next Fall or maybe will reappear occasionally this Winter when we have rainy, muggy, damp days.
Well constructed dumps usually install a collector system of breather tubes thru out the pile of refuge to collect the odorless, flammable methane gas and other odor causing gasses and burns them off above the ground in a "flare stack" resulting in an "eternal flame", but a lot less smells. Some of the really big city dumps sell the collected methane to local power companies to be used in their gas fired electric generators.

[twoplanekid]

Again, from my earlier post->

From the discussion (closed thread) in 2013, they didn't know or think about about the dump.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/does-anyone-else-smell-strong-funny-smell-outside-84495/

The dump was in the 2004 Google Earth picture but not the 1999.

[kittygilchrist]

Why now and how has this dump become a problem? Just my thoughts and observations:
First, until this year there were relatively few people living near the site. The dump probably emitted odors but no one was around long enough to really recognize the continuing problem.
Second, take a pile of trash in cool Spring weather, add 3 feet of rain water over the Summer, bake it for 3 or 4 months in 95 degree direct sunshine and bring it to a nice "boil" just as the season changes to cooler, with maybe damp, cool morning air, throw in a little air inversion because the winds are calmer or the ground air isn't rising as fast with the less intense sunlight and you get the ground level smells. It is probable that as our Seasons cool the decaying action will slow, disbursing winds pick up again, and the dump's normal layer covering procedures will keep up with the odor releases so the smell problem will "go away" again until next Fall or maybe will reappear occasionally this Winter when we have rainy, muggy, damp days.
Well constructed dumps usually install a collector system of breather tubes thru out the pile of refuge to collect the odorless, flammable methane gas and other odor causing gasses and burns them off above the ground in a "flare stack" resulting in an "eternal flame", but a lot less smells. Some of the really big city dumps sell the collected methane to local power companies to be used in their gas fired electric generators.

You would be wrong up front about people not living here. I moved in over 2 years ago and frequented The area below the berm before it became a golf course..it was an area where my dog could be herself without offending anyone.
No smell...ever.
Mosquitoes? evenings, awful! Days ok.

[Mikeod]

You would be wrong up front about people not living here. I moved in over 2 years ago and frequented The area below the berm before it became a golf course..it was an area where my dog could be herself without offending anyone.
No smell...ever.
Mosquitoes? evenings, awful! Days ok.
Very true. The Sarasota driving range has been there for a while and there was no odor. Even as the Volusia course was being constructed, there was no odor from the dump. This is a recent change. It's good to hear the contractor for the dump is aware and working to address the problem. Let's hope they are successful soon.

[Jim 9922]

You would be wrong up front about people not living here. I moved in over 2 years ago and frequented The area below the berm before it became a golf course..it was an area where my dog could be herself without offending anyone.
No smell...ever.
Mosquitoes? evenings, awful! Days ok.

In Summer of 2013 people were complaining about smells. Then it was attributed to reclaimed water. Was it ? I don't know, but to my knowledge they are not treating it any differently and no one is complaining these days.