The Pope's visit to the USA is a political agenda and the people take a back seat!!

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How very disappointing. Even if most of his effort is for the people the media and the politicians and the special interest groups have assured the view will be agenda driven since he is a leftist pope:

The left has its pope (http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/the-left-has-its-pope/)

To me if the pope earns a political classification by his actions he is not doing the work of the people.

He too is driving an agenda that is politically oriented.

Yet another loss for the majority!

[Guest]

How very disappointing. Even if most of his effort is for the people the media and the politicians and the special interest groups have assured the view will be agenda driven since he is a leftist pope:

The left has its pope (http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/the-left-has-its-pope/)

To me if the pope earns a political classification by his actions he is not doing the work of the people.

He too is driving an agenda that is politically oriented.

Yet another loss for the majority!

I can empathize, since we have our liberal politicians in America. BUT, since I am not Catholic and did not elect the Pope, and with all due respect, I really don't care what's on the Pope's agenda. Anything he does or doesn't do will have no effect on my life. To me (with due respect) he is just another religious leader.

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I can empathize, since we have our liberal politicians in America. BUT, since I am not Catholic and did not elect the Pope, and with all due respect, I really don't care what's on the Pope's agenda. Anything he does or doesn't do will have no effect on my life. To me (with due respect) he is just another religious leader.

Unfortunately I have to disagree. Was the Ayatollah Khomenei just another religious leader? Pope Sixtus? Martin Luther? Saint Peter? Mohamed? Moses? Religious leaders do not just spout off in a vacuum, they have millions of FOLLOWERS, and thus have changed the world. And this is why I think this pope is dangerous---he is not just leading a flock, he has a defined political agenda, and it may just take hold, like the others

[Guest]

Unfortunately I have to disagree. Was the Ayatollah Khomenei just another religious leader? Pope Sixtus? Martin Luther? Saint Peter? Mohamed? Moses? Religious leaders do not just spout off in a vacuum, they have millions of FOLLOWERS, and thus have changed the world. And this is why I think this pope is dangerous---he is not just leading a flock, he has a defined political agenda, and it may just take hold, like the others

I think I will concede your point. You make a valid argument. On the other hand, I don't consider him to be AS influential as an elected leader. A religious leader can "suggest" a direction to follow, whereas a politically elected leader can "mandate" that you follow a particular tact. Just my thought on it.

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I think I will concede your point. You make a valid argument. On the other hand, I don't consider him to be AS influential as an elected leader. A religious leader can "suggest" a direction to follow, whereas a politically elected leader can "mandate" that you follow a particular tact. Just my thought on it.

Perhaps. But consider this---who is more dedicated to their "cause"---a jihadist or the average American voter. Even the president (to one degree or another considering our current White House resident) needs Congress to pass laws (or SCOTUS, as recent events have shown) A religious leader just issues decrees. (call them papal edicts or fatwas or whatever)

[Guest]

Religion should not change. This change in the Catholic church is disappointing. They are giving in to the voters if you will just to keep the money coming in. This Pope has said about bring Muslim and Christians together. This why the previous Pope had to retire he wouldnt do it. The song said it well (I see a bad moon raising) think about it.

[Guest]

He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

[Guest]

Perhaps. But consider this---who is more dedicated to their "cause"---a jihadist or the average American voter. Even the president (to one degree or another considering our current White House resident) needs Congress to pass laws (or SCOTUS, as recent events have shown) A religious leader just issues decrees. (call them papal edicts or fatwas or whatever)

Didn't you just validate my point? Or did I read that wrong? Doesn't matter, I see your point.

[Guest]

He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

I doubt if any Pope ever banned gays. This one does not condone their sinful lifestyle, but says he forgives them. Big difference. God hates the sin, but loves the sinner. No one disputes that. God hates adultery, murder and theft, but still loves the sinner. Don't mistake the Popes forgiveness for his endorsement.

[Guest]

He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

The minority report is hereby acknowledged.

[Guest]

He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

Get help

[Guest]

Didn't you just validate my point? Or did I read that wrong? Doesn't matter, I see your point.

yes I did. I'd say about 80% agree

[Guest]

He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

And yet, the Pope wishes to discuss Climate control, not deviant behavior. Poor Obama, what a dilemma. Obama wants the Pope to justify or endorse a corrupt and sinful lifestyle, and the Pope just wants to talk about Obama's other favorite respite, Climate Control. Obama is such an embarrassment to America. What a failed experiment!

[Guest]

Get help

Since gays believe that their choice is dictated by DNA, and not psychological, their only help/solution/cure would have to be a large dose of gamma radiation to alter their mutation. Obviously this would cause them to grow to grotesque proportions and turn green. And there is already one Hulk in America. Hmm, I wonder if he was originally gay. :MOJE_whot:

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Since gays believe that their choice is dictated by DNA, and not psychological, their only help/solution/cure would have to be a large dose of gamma radiation to alter their mutation. Obviously this would cause them to grow to grotesque proportions and turn green. And there is already one Hulk in America. Hmm, I wonder if he was originally gay. :MOJE_whot:

Do they still really believe that? We have mapped the entire human genome and no one has found "the gay gene". So much for their argument. On the other hand, there are still people who believe the world is flat.

[Guest]

He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

Obama is a lying hypocrite on gay rights etc ... go back and look at his 2008 interview with Rick Warren at Saddleback Church.

He is however clever enough to know that he can fools tons of people pretty much all the time

[Guest]

the Catholic church has not changed. even Popes are men with their own backgrounds and political ideas but they are only infallible when they proclaim a doctrine on faith and morals...other than that, the faithful are not obliged to agree with them and of course in this instance on climate change we are free to have our own opinions....the pope did, however mention that selling carbon credits was not a solution to the problem. i think most of us agree with him on that! be careful how the media is spinning his every comment.

[Guest]

Since gays believe that their choice is dictated by DNA, and not psychological, their only help/solution/cure would have to be a large dose of gamma radiation to alter their mutation. Obviously this would cause them to grow to grotesque proportions and turn green. And there is already one Hulk in America. Hmm, I wonder if he was originally gay. :MOJE_whot:

Your post implies the psychological explanation is more likely ... at least in your case.

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Your post implies the psychological explanation is more likely ... at least in your case.

Whether a gay proclivity is physical or mental, the choice is still mental. A country boy may yearn for a sheep, but he knows it's wrong. But, gays figure that anything goes, morally wrong or otherwise. So, if we go by liberal reasoning regarding marriage, anybody can marry, including brother and sister, mother and daughter, man and several women, human and animal. The definition of marriage is one man and one woman. It has been misinterpreted by the court, period.

[Guest]

Your post implies the psychological explanation is more likely ... at least in your case.

Psychological, deviant, environmental--take your pick---but NOT genetic

[Guest]

Hmmmnnnn I wonder what GOD had in mind with the creation of ADAM and EVE?
And why he across the board required male and female involvement for procreation of humans, animals and plants?

And for those of you who do not believe in GOD....why does it take a male and a female for the prcreation of any species...human, animal or plants?

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He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

"The relatio reaffirms at several points that marriage is between a man and a woman. Substance on that point is not changing. The Vatican has been repeatedly clear that this Synod will bring no changes to doctrine, or even a final document with new rites. To “welcome gays” does not mean the Church is no longer equating “gay” with “sin.”

Pope Francis: Vatican Document on Homosexuality Overblow (http://time.com/3502522/pope-francis-vatican-catholic-church-homosexuality/)

Be clear....the Church is adamant.....about "marriage is between a man and a woman" and also...."To “welcome gays” does not mean the Church is no longer equating “gay” with “sin.”

Keep in mind. homosexuality was a CRIME in this country up until about 10 years ago when they got political legs. It is a CRIME in over 1/2 the countries of the world.

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"The relatio reaffirms at several points that marriage is between a man and a woman. Substance on that point is not changing. The Vatican has been repeatedly clear that this Synod will bring no changes to doctrine, or even a final document with new rites. To “welcome gays” does not mean the Church is no longer equating “gay” with “sin.”

Pope Francis: Vatican Document on Homosexuality Overblow (http://time.com/3502522/pope-francis-vatican-catholic-church-homosexuality/)

Be clear....the Church is adamant.....about "marriage is between a man and a woman" and also...."To “welcome gays” does not mean the Church is no longer equating “gay” with “sin.”

Keep in mind. homosexuality was a CRIME in this country up until about 10 years ago when they got political legs. It is a CRIME in over 1/2 the countries of the world.

And is an abnormal and deviant behavior pattern that has been associated with mental illness in every country, including America for decades. That is why we should not condemn gays, but sympathize with them. Mental illness is a serious malady.

[Guest]

Just watched the speech by the Pope. He wishes for more to be done for the poor and for climate change.

[Guest]

Interesting.

"Holy Father, you remind us that we have a sacred obligation to protect our planet – God’s magnificent gift to us," Obama said. "We support your call to all world leaders to support the communities most vulnerable to a changing climate and to come together to preserve our precious world for future generations"

[Guest]

Interesting.

"Holy Father, you remind us that we have a sacred obligation to protect our planet – God’s magnificent gift to us," Obama said. "We support your call to all world leaders to support the communities most vulnerable to a changing climate and to come together to preserve our precious world for future generations"

The question is what does a society actually do about "climate change?" If the action is to wreck an economy by cutting back drastically on the evil fossil fuels, that will predictably impoverish many more people.

[Guest]

I would think that the Pope would have more chance of causing a reversal of climate change. Hey, he is supposed to have a direct line to GOD, so all he has to do is give him a ring/call and ask God to intervene. Because nothing that man can do will change the climate other than if we all die off. Of course, for a while there will continue to be global warming as heat and gases form from decomposing bodies.

[Guest]

The emphasis by almost all networks on the politics of all of this has pretty much destroyed my personal joy in this visit.

It just never stops.

[Guest]

The only reason he's here is to get more people to go back to church. Don't think the collection plate has been filling up like in past years because of dwindling attendance.

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It is amazing how religion and religious thinkings and morals are made light of, if not completely mocked on Talk of The Villages.

THEN, when the Pope visits, even though religion has been made out to be a really bad thing relative to politics, VOILA.....it is hailed as the supreme proof of one party being right nor not.

We make everything so political.

In 2014, I personally gave almost as much as the President and much more than the Vice President to charity. I am speaking of percentage of income and only using them because there percentage is public.

YET, I am told by progressives that I, because I am a conservative do not care about the needy.



I am a Catholic and feel, as the church does that homosexuality is a sin.

YET, I am told I am a bigot because I cannot accept it and the validation of a marriage between those people.

I, again as a Catholic feel that marriage is between a man and a woman as it has always been throughout the history of the word

YET, I am considered behind the times and a bigot for those religious beliefs.

I want immigrants to come to my country, but I want them to do it legally, and I want our country to enforce the current laws concerning overstaying their visas.

YET, our Homeland Security folks instead of enforcing the overstayed visas are hurrying up to insure that immigrants are able to vote in the next election and I am a terrible person and again a bigot because I feel this way, which is the way the law says it should be.

People are very confused in this country and blinded by politics. It leaves not much to discuss on this forum. It comes down to this.....on this forum...and in the media....

If a conservative, you are a religious nut job who does not care about the poor and the needy, and certainly simply by choosing to identify as a Republican, you are automatically a bigot.

On the other hand, if a progressive, and that seems to be the new name being used for Democrats, I have the right to call you a racist or bigot, I and only I care about the poor and needy.

I just never thought I would ever be called any of those names and especially for taking my own personal religion seriously. I never thought I would be called insensitive and part of a political group that does not care about the needy and poor if I was giving more than many elected officials and close to what the President was giving, and again talking of percentages of income. I do not count volunteer hours in this.

So, what do I do.....according to posters here and the media, just give it up. I am behind in the times and not up to their par.

[Guest]

It is amazing how religion and religious thinkings and morals are made light of, if not completely mocked on Talk of The Villages.

THEN, when the Pope visits, even though religion has been made out to be a really bad thing relative to politics, VOILA.....it is hailed as the supreme proof of one party being right nor not.

We make everything so political.

In 2014, I personally gave almost as much as the President and much more than the Vice President to charity. I am speaking of percentage of income and only using them because there percentage is public.

YET, I am told by progressives that I, because I am a conservative do not care about the needy.



I am a Catholic and feel, as the church does that homosexuality is a sin.

YET, I am told I am a bigot because I cannot accept it and the validation of a marriage between those people.

I, again as a Catholic feel that marriage is between a man and a woman as it has always been throughout the history of the word

YET, I am considered behind the times and a bigot for those religious beliefs.

I want immigrants to come to my country, but I want them to do it legally, and I want our country to enforce the current laws concerning overstaying their visas.

YET, our Homeland Security folks instead of enforcing the overstayed visas are hurrying up to insure that immigrants are able to vote in the next election and I am a terrible person and again a bigot because I feel this way, which is the way the law says it should be.

People are very confused in this country and blinded by politics. It leaves not much to discuss on this forum. It comes down to this.....on this forum...and in the media....

If a conservative, you are a religious nut job who does not care about the poor and the needy, and certainly simply by choosing to identify as a Republican, you are automatically a bigot.

On the other hand, if a progressive, and that seems to be the new name being used for Democrats, I have the right to call you a racist or bigot, I and only I care about the poor and needy.

I just never thought I would ever be called any of those names and especially for taking my own personal religion seriously. I never thought I would be called insensitive and part of a political group that does not care about the needy and poor if I was giving more than many elected officials and close to what the President was giving, and again talking of percentages of income. I do not count volunteer hours in this.

So, what do I do.....according to posters here and the media, just give it up. I am behind in the times and not up to their par.

Excellent post ...

What are to do? Join with so many others who think and feel as you do ... and then take aggressive (but non-violent) action to reclaim our culture, country and common sense. Fight back.

[Guest]

It is amazing how religion and religious thinkings and morals are made light of, if not completely mocked on Talk of The Villages.

THEN, when the Pope visits, even though religion has been made out to be a really bad thing relative to politics, VOILA.....it is hailed as the supreme proof of one party being right nor not.

We make everything so political.

In 2014, I personally gave almost as much as the President and much more than the Vice President to charity. I am speaking of percentage of income and only using them because there percentage is public.

YET, I am told by progressives that I, because I am a conservative do not care about the needy.



I am a Catholic and feel, as the church does that homosexuality is a sin.

YET, I am told I am a bigot because I cannot accept it and the validation of a marriage between those people.

I, again as a Catholic feel that marriage is between a man and a woman as it has always been throughout the history of the word

YET, I am considered behind the times and a bigot for those religious beliefs.

I want immigrants to come to my country, but I want them to do it legally, and I want our country to enforce the current laws concerning overstaying their visas.

YET, our Homeland Security folks instead of enforcing the overstayed visas are hurrying up to insure that immigrants are able to vote in the next election and I am a terrible person and again a bigot because I feel this way, which is the way the law says it should be.

People are very confused in this country and blinded by politics. It leaves not much to discuss on this forum. It comes down to this.....on this forum...and in the media....

If a conservative, you are a religious nut job who does not care about the poor and the needy, and certainly simply by choosing to identify as a Republican, you are automatically a bigot.

On the other hand, if a progressive, and that seems to be the new name being used for Democrats, I have the right to call you a racist or bigot, I and only I care about the poor and needy.

I just never thought I would ever be called any of those names and especially for taking my own personal religion seriously. I never thought I would be called insensitive and part of a political group that does not care about the needy and poor if I was giving more than many elected officials and close to what the President was giving, and again talking of percentages of income. I do not count volunteer hours in this.

So, what do I do.....according to posters here and the media, just give it up. I am behind in the times and not up to their par.

Most certainly do not succumb to the mindless badgering of the minority representatives on this site.

Followed closely by do not be coerced or intimidated by the faux majority BS that is presented by the special interest, monority groups, political parrots and their amplifier the media.

Do remember you are in the majority.
Do remember you are also correct in your belief(s)Do laugh veryboisterously as they try to repeat their case.

And above all in the face of all the get up to date BS hold your head high as a majority member and tell the to take a flying leap on a rolling donut!

[Guest]

Excellent post ...

What are to do? Join with so many others who think and feel as you do ... and then take aggressive (but non-violent) action to reclaim our culture, country and common sense. Fight back.

:agree:

[Guest]

Shep Smith: Critics Calling This Pope 'Too Political' Need To Take A Hard Look At Themselves | Crooks and Liars (http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2015/09/shep-smith-people-who-think-pope-too)

[Guest]

Shep Smith: Critics Calling This Pope 'Too Political' Need To Take A Hard Look At Themselves | Crooks and Liars (http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2015/09/shep-smith-people-who-think-pope-too)

I, for one, never called the Pope political at all.

I call the media and leaders of the country political as everything he says and stands for is put into a political basket.

All I hear is how he embraces the gays. He embraces all sinnners. He is not "endorsing", he is accepting.

He does not endorse abortion and killing of babies; he will forgive them.

The Pope is not political, but those who use his words and actions to further their political agenda are.

[Guest]

I, for one, never called the Pope political at all.

I call the media and leaders of the country political as everything he says and stands for is put into a political basket.

All I hear is how he embraces the gays. He embraces all sinnners. He is not "endorsing", he is accepting.

He does not endorse abortion and killing of babies; he will forgive them.

The Pope is not political, but those who use his words and actions to further their political agenda are.

Sorry to disagree, but this is the most political pope in a long time. The Pope is the spiritual leader of 1 billion + Catholics, not a government official. His comments should be directed toward Christianity, peace, love and faith, not climate change. As the "Vicar of Christ", he should be Christ-like. Jesus never advocated disobedience to civil authorities. He never tried to dictate to the Roman Empire politics. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". He advocated obedience to God and service to fellow men. If the Pope wants to advocate for the poor, he should be talking about giving to charity, being a good Samaritan and the like, not government economic policy and redistribution of wealth. If he believes we are the caretakers of the Earth, he should be pushing backyard composting and picking up litter, not government regulation on carbon emissions. And if here a bit better informed on the subject of paleoclimatology, he wouldn't have bought into Al gore's global warming nonsense in the first place. I'm just afraid this Pope has a political agenda beyond the scope of the papacy.

[Guest]

Sorry to disagree, but this is the most political pope in a long time. The Pope is the spiritual leader of 1 billion + Catholics, not a government official. His comments should be directed toward Christianity, peace, love and faith, not climate change. As the "Vicar of Christ", he should be Christ-like. Jesus never advocated disobedience to civil authorities. He never tried to dictate to the Roman Empire politics. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". He advocated obedience to God and service to fellow men. If the Pope wants to advocate for the poor, he should be talking about giving to charity, being a good Samaritan and the like, not government economic policy and redistribution of wealth. If he believes we are the caretakers of the Earth, he should be pushing backyard composting and picking up litter, not government regulation on carbon emissions. And if here a bit better informed on the subject of paleoclimatology, he wouldn't have bought into Al gore's global warming nonsense in the first place. I'm just afraid this Pope has a political agenda beyond the scope of the papacy.

:agree: Good post.

[Guest]

"Jesus never advocated disobedience to civil authorities" Really?? He was arrested and crucified by civil authorities for what exactly?

Here's a some more information? It's a "good post" if you are ignorant, which is blatantly clear!

Jesus and Civil Disobedience/Divine Obedience | Christian Peacemaker Teams (http://www.cpt.org/resources/worship/services/jesus_CD)

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"Jesus never advocated disobedience to civil authorities" Really?? He was arrested and crucified by civil authorities for what exactly?

Here's a some more information? It's a "good post" if you are ignorant, which is blatantly clear!

Jesus and Civil Disobedience/Divine Obedience | Christian Peacemaker Teams (http://www.cpt.org/resources/worship/services/jesus_CD)

Forgive my ignorance, I was unaware. I must have acquired it somewhere between kindergarten and graduating as my high school valedictorian. Or perhaps it was when I graduated summa cum laude from my undergraduate university. Maybe it was while I was earning my doctorate. Perhaps it was during my 3 years of post-doctoral work. Maybe my certified IQ of 178 dropped. So, actually, the only thing blatantly clear is that I am going to proceed with the knowledge of which one of us is ignorant. BTW, love the decorum on the political forums.

Please give me a quote, from Jesus Christ, advocating insurrection against Rome.
Realize that the Pharisees had no authority under Roman law to execute anyone, only The Roman governor did
Remember Pontius Pilate offered the crowd amnesty for Jesus or Barabas? What did Pilate plead to the crowd---This man (Jesus) has done nothing wrong, while Barabas is a murderer? The Jewish authorities riled up the crowd. If Pilate believed Jesus was a rebel, do you think he would have even offered him amnesty
The job of the governor was to maintain the peace (and collect taxes). At those times, the life of 1 man was not too significant. But even given that, Pilate symbolically washed his hands of Jesus' blood So do you really think the Romans enthusiastically arrested and crucified Christ?

Meanwhile, The Pharisees had every reason to want him dead. He was travelling the country preaching about their hypocrisy. he overturned the moneychangers tables at the temple, their primary source of ill-gotten gain
There are those who believe that some of the disciples wanted to start a rebellion, chief among them Judas. There is a theory that Judas betrayed Christ in order to force the hand of the disciples into a rebellion against Rome. See what happens when religious leaders dabble in politics?

So now that I've presented you with the facts, you can feel unencumbered and no longer need to wallow in ignorance

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Sorry to disagree, but this is the most political pope in a long time. The Pope is the spiritual leader of 1 billion + Catholics, not a government official. His comments should be directed toward Christianity, peace, love and faith, not climate change. As the "Vicar of Christ", he should be Christ-like. Jesus never advocated disobedience to civil authorities. He never tried to dictate to the Roman Empire politics. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". He advocated obedience to God and service to fellow men. If the Pope wants to advocate for the poor, he should be talking about giving to charity, being a good Samaritan and the like, not government economic policy and redistribution of wealth. If he believes we are the caretakers of the Earth, he should be pushing backyard composting and picking up litter, not government regulation on carbon emissions. And if here a bit better informed on the subject of paleoclimatology, he wouldn't have bought into Al gore's global warming nonsense in the first place. I'm just afraid this Pope has a political agenda beyond the scope of the papacy.

Succinctly stated in a few words.

[Guest]

Succinctly stated in a few words.

thank you. Someone else thought I was "blatantly ignorant":beer3:

[Guest]

Forgive my ignorance, I was unaware. I must have acquired it somewhere between kindergarten and graduating as my high school valedictorian. Or perhaps it was when I graduated summa cum laude from my undergraduate university. Maybe it was while I was earning my doctorate. Perhaps it was during my 3 years of post-doctoral work. Maybe my certified IQ of 178 dropped. So, actually, the only thing blatantly clear is that I am going to proceed with the knowledge of which one of us is ignorant. BTW, love the decorum on the political forums.

Please give me a quote, from Jesus Christ, advocating insurrection against Rome.
Realize that the Pharisees had no authority under Roman law to execute anyone, only The Roman governor did
Remember Pontius Pilate offered the crowd amnesty for Jesus or Barabas? What did Pilate plead to the crowd---This man (Jesus) has done nothing wrong, while Barabas is a murderer? The Jewish authorities riled up the crowd. If Pilate believed Jesus was a rebel, do you think he would have even offered him amnesty
The job of the governor was to maintain the peace (and collect taxes). At those times, the life of 1 man was not too significant. But even given that, Pilate symbolically washed his hands of Jesus' blood So do you really think the Romans enthusiastically arrested and crucified Christ?

Meanwhile, The Pharisees had every reason to want him dead. He was travelling the country preaching about their hypocrisy. he overturned the moneychangers tables at the temple, their primary source of ill-gotten gain
There are those who believe that some of the disciples wanted to start a rebellion, chief among them Judas. There is a theory that Judas betrayed Christ in order to force the hand of the disciples into a rebellion against Rome. See what happens when religious leaders dabble in politics?

So now that I've presented you with the facts, you can feel unencumbered and no longer need to wallow in ignorance

In my experience in dealing with people over the years ....anyone who told me about all his/her degrees and her high IQ etc obviously suffered from one major ailment ... a certain inferiority complex or lack of confidence.

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In my experience in dealing with people over the years ....anyone who told me about all his/her degrees and her high IQ etc obviously suffered from one major ailment ... a certain inferiority complex or lack of confidence.

Yep, that must be it. Thanks for straightening me out.
I guess the factual content of the post popped your balloon, so that was the best you could come up with. FAIL. But feel free to try again

[Guest]

Forgive my ignorance, I was unaware. I must have acquired it somewhere between kindergarten and graduating as my high school valedictorian. Or perhaps it was when I graduated summa cum laude from my undergraduate university. Maybe it was while I was earning my doctorate. Perhaps it was during my 3 years of post-doctoral work. Maybe my certified IQ of 178 dropped. So, actually, the only thing blatantly clear is that I am going to proceed with the knowledge of which one of us is ignorant. BTW, love the decorum on the political forums.

Please give me a quote, from Jesus Christ, advocating insurrection against Rome.
Realize that the Pharisees had no authority under Roman law to execute anyone, only The Roman governor did
Remember Pontius Pilate offered the crowd amnesty for Jesus or Barabas? What did Pilate plead to the crowd---This man (Jesus) has done nothing wrong, while Barabas is a murderer? The Jewish authorities riled up the crowd. If Pilate believed Jesus was a rebel, do you think he would have even offered him amnesty
The job of the governor was to maintain the peace (and collect taxes). At those times, the life of 1 man was not too significant. But even given that, Pilate symbolically washed his hands of Jesus' blood So do you really think the Romans enthusiastically arrested and crucified Christ?

Meanwhile, The Pharisees had every reason to want him dead. He was travelling the country preaching about their hypocrisy. he overturned the moneychangers tables at the temple, their primary source of ill-gotten gain
There are those who believe that some of the disciples wanted to start a rebellion, chief among them Judas. There is a theory that Judas betrayed Christ in order to force the hand of the disciples into a rebellion against Rome. See what happens when religious leaders dabble in politics?

So now that I've presented you with the facts, you can feel unencumbered and no longer need to wallow in ignorance

178. You may ve overqualified for this forum which at times only requires the IQ of a mature cucumber.[emoji6]

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178. You may ve overqualified for this forum which at times only requires the IQ of a mature cucumber.[emoji6]

No, it just means I can deal with about a dozen cucumbers at once. That last one only counts as 1/4 cucumber, he has to up his game to get to 1/2 of one.

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Forgive my ignorance, I was unaware. I must have acquired it somewhere between kindergarten and graduating as my high school valedictorian. Or perhaps it was when I graduated summa cum laude from my undergraduate university. Maybe it was while I was earning my doctorate. Perhaps it was during my 3 years of post-doctoral work. Maybe my certified IQ of 178 dropped. So, actually, the only thing blatantly clear is that I am going to proceed with the knowledge of which one of us is ignorant. BTW, love the decorum on the political forums.

Please give me a quote, from Jesus Christ, advocating insurrection against Rome.
Realize that the Pharisees had no authority under Roman law to execute anyone, only The Roman governor did
Remember Pontius Pilate offered the crowd amnesty for Jesus or Barabas? What did Pilate plead to the crowd---This man (Jesus) has done nothing wrong, while Barabas is a murderer? The Jewish authorities riled up the crowd. If Pilate believed Jesus was a rebel, do you think he would have even offered him amnesty
The job of the governor was to maintain the peace (and collect taxes). At those times, the life of 1 man was not too significant. But even given that, Pilate symbolically washed his hands of Jesus' blood So do you really think the Romans enthusiastically arrested and crucified Christ?

Meanwhile, The Pharisees had every reason to want him dead. He was travelling the country preaching about their hypocrisy. he overturned the moneychangers tables at the temple, their primary source of ill-gotten gain
There are those who believe that some of the disciples wanted to start a rebellion, chief among them Judas. There is a theory that Judas betrayed Christ in order to force the hand of the disciples into a rebellion against Rome. See what happens when religious leaders dabble in politics?

So now that I've presented you with the facts, you can feel unencumbered and no longer need to wallow in ignorance

Well this post demonstrates two things.
First all the letters and degrees and numbers still are not enough education to negate the gutter level insulting, derogatory name calling.
Second, it would have been nice if, even after sorting out the name calling, there was a point made.

I too much prefer folks who let their talents shine and raise them above the din rather than the billboard approach. I never understood the need for having to do that.

In the post above all it accomplished was to demonstrate that no amount of education can make a difference to a closed mind.

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Well this post demonstrates two things.
First all the letters and degrees and numbers still are not enough education to negate the gutter level insulting, derogatory name calling.
Second, it would have been nice if, even after sorting out the name calling, there was a point made.

I too much prefer folks who let their talents shine and raise them above the din rather than the billboard approach. I never understood the need for having to do that.

In the post above all it accomplished was to demonstrate that no amount of education can make a difference to a closed mind.

Nice try, but it doesn't get you to the 1/2 cucumber level.
As far as gutter level insults go, I prefaced it with the comment "Have to love the decorum on the political forums" Then I proceeded with the attitude of "When in Rome......."
Now, If you didn't get the point of the post, you've simply have proven my case. I think everyone else got the concept that the Roman authorities and Pilate were manipulated by the Jewish religious leaders. Even Herod ducked the issue. You may want to re-read it, unless you are easily and repetitively confused by the facts
And lastly, I would generally never arrogantly flaunt my education or IQ. It was more of a knee jerk reaction to being called blatantly ignorant. I thought at the time it would have more emphasis than simply denying ignorance. I do apologize if it was offensive (to anyone besides you)

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Forgive my ignorance, I was unaware. I must have acquired it somewhere between kindergarten and graduating as my high school valedictorian. Or perhaps it was when I graduated summa cum laude from my undergraduate university. Maybe it was while I was earning my doctorate. Perhaps it was during my 3 years of post-doctoral work. Maybe my certified IQ of 178 dropped. So, actually, the only thing blatantly clear is that I am going to proceed with the knowledge of which one of us is ignorant. BTW, love the decorum on the political forums.

Please give me a quote, from Jesus Christ, advocating insurrection against Rome.
Realize that the Pharisees had no authority under Roman law to execute anyone, only The Roman governor did
Remember Pontius Pilate offered the crowd amnesty for Jesus or Barabas? What did Pilate plead to the crowd---This man (Jesus) has done nothing wrong, while Barabas is a murderer? The Jewish authorities riled up the crowd. If Pilate believed Jesus was a rebel, do you think he would have even offered him amnesty
The job of the governor was to maintain the peace (and collect taxes). At those times, the life of 1 man was not too significant. But even given that, Pilate symbolically washed his hands of Jesus' blood So do you really think the Romans enthusiastically arrested and crucified Christ?

Meanwhile, The Pharisees had every reason to want him dead. He was travelling the country preaching about their hypocrisy. he overturned the moneychangers tables at the temple, their primary source of ill-gotten gain
There are those who believe that some of the disciples wanted to start a rebellion, chief among them Judas. There is a theory that Judas betrayed Christ in order to force the hand of the disciples into a rebellion against Rome. See what happens when religious leaders dabble in politics?

So now that I've presented you with the facts, you can feel unencumbered and no longer need to wallow in ignorance

I thought that your post provided some good information, refuting the other poster's totally bazaar theory, myth, story, lie. If not for your chest pounding, I would have enjoyed it. Try to cool it on the self importance stuff. Obviously, it doesn't qualify one or disqualify one from posting on here. Facts and truth speaks for itself. You need not qualify the importance of the messenger. But, thanks for the good post.

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Well this post demonstrates two things.
First all the letters and degrees and numbers still are not enough education to negate the gutter level insulting, derogatory name calling.
Second, it would have been nice if, even after sorting out the name calling, there was a point made.

I too much prefer folks who let their talents shine and raise them above the din rather than the billboard approach. I never understood the need for having to do that.

In the post above all it accomplished was to demonstrate that no amount of education can make a difference to a closed mind.

Other than the chest pounding, I didn't see any error in his facts. I do not know whether the poster is liberal or conservative, but historical fact is fact regardless of the messenger's ideology. Just saying. If he is a liberal, I find his belief refreshing. If he is a conservative, there is no doubt that he would have the right information :laugh::laugh:

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I thought that your post provided some good information, refuting the other poster's totally bazaar theory, myth, story, lie. If not for your chest pounding, I would have enjoyed it. Try to cool it on the self importance stuff. Obviously, it doesn't qualify one or disqualify one from posting on here. Facts and truth speaks for itself. You need not qualify the importance of the messenger. But, thanks for the good post.

I agree, it was totally unnecessary, I simply overreacted to the ranting of an imbecile. I did apologize for it and do so again (again, except for the imbecile) I will refrain from doing that again, it was out of character. And thank you for pointing it out, everyone can use constructive criticism from time to time

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Other than the chest pounding, I didn't see any error in his facts. I do not know whether the poster is liberal or conservative, but historical fact is fact regardless of the messenger's ideology. Just saying. If he is a liberal, I find his belief refreshing. If he is a conservative, there is no doubt that he would have the right information :laugh::laugh:

Like most, I'm somewhere in between. I have not yet read O'Reilly's "Killing Jesus", but I'm willing to bet he dug up a lot more interesting facts

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Like most, I'm somewhere in between. I have not yet read O'Reilly's "Killing Jesus", but I'm willing to bet he dug up a lot more interesting facts

Good point. Maybe I will read it. I bet it is interesting.

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Good point. Maybe I will read it. I bet it is interesting.

Killing Lincoln and Killing Kennedy were both good. I was going to read Killing Patton next, since my father was under his command in Europe. Then Killing Jesus. I have mixed emotion on Killing Reagan, since he wasn't killed, but early reviews are pretty good as well

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Yep, that must be it. Thanks for straightening me out.
I guess the factual content of the post popped your balloon, so that was the best you could come up with. FAIL. But feel free to try again

I still think I'm correct and, in fact, on the money. Most people who have to talk about their educational degrees, IQ etc do show a certain insecurity masquerading as confidence. It's a form of bluster, much as a puffer fish puffing up. If someone is truly smart or capable, it will come across without an immature and almost pathetic tooting of one's horn in the manner you did.

I'm guessing however that you're as much a blowhard in person as you are in your posts?

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I still think I'm correct and, in fact, on the money. Most people who have to talk about their educational degrees, IQ etc do show a certain insecurity masquerading as confidence. It's a form of bluster, much as a puffer fish puffing up. If someone is truly smart or capable, it will come across without an immature and almost pathetic tooting of one's horn in the manner you did.

I'm guessing however that you're as much a blowhard in person as you are in your posts?

That one puts you back at 1/4 of a cucumber. I did over-react to your first idiotic insult, I won't take the bait again. You're not going to win this debate, if you can even call it that. Might as well just wave the white flag
I guess the best movie quote comes from "Bobby Jones-Stroke of Genius", when he could not get out of a pot bunker in the direction of the hole, but kept trying. his caddie finally spoke up "You know the definition of insanity--It's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" At least you're consistent And btw, speaking of holes, what kind of hole are you?
On second thought, I'll move you up to 1/3 of a cucumber, your vocabulary definitely has improved

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That one puts you back at 1/4 of a cucumber. I did over-react to your first idiotic insult, I won't take the bait again. You're not going to win this debate, if you can even call it that. Might as well just wave the white flag
I guess the best movie quote comes from "Bobby Jones-Stroke of Genius", when he could not get out of a pot bunker in the direction of the hole, but kept trying. his caddie finally spoke up "You know the definition of insanity--It's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" At least you're consistent And btw, speaking of holes, what kind of hole are you?
On second thought, I'll move you up to 1/3 of a cucumber, your vocabulary definitely has improved

Bad post. I am almost sorry that I defended part of one of your posts. If I would have known how self centered you were then, I would have just left you to the masses, to be crucified as an arrogant as..hole. No one is interested in your supposed education. Apparently it is not that great if you are slumming it down here with the unclean. Try to stay on the thread and stop grandstanding and chest beating. It's so unbecoming.

Note: Obama also has a great education and look at his poor performance. So, a great education does not necessarily equate to great thinking.

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Bad post. I am almost sorry that I defended part of one of your posts. If I would have known how self centered you were then, I would have just left you to the masses, to be crucified as an arrogant as..hole. No one is interested in your supposed education. Apparently it is not that great if you are slumming it down here with the unclean. Try to stay on the thread and stop grandstanding and chest beating. It's so unbecoming.

Note: Obama also has a great education and look at his poor performance. So, a great education does not necessarily equate to great thinking.

OMG, he's still at it

OK, someone has to be an adult.

I apologize. Mia culpa, Mia culpa I was wrong. I was immature, self centered, ignorant and whatever else you said.

I might as well say my historical facts were all incorrect as well

You were right, I was wrong Sorry, Sorry, so sorry
Now I'm going to my room for a time out without dinner

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One certainly could not guesstimate one's level of education or position in the world by the dialogue that is used in this forum.

And I am painting with a broad brush, however, insoired by this thread.
How could one not be?

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One certainly could not guesstimate one's level of education or position in the world by the dialogue that is used in this forum.

And I am painting with a broad brush, however, insoired by this thread.
How could one not be?

That would be "inspired".

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That would be "inspired".

That was unnecessary

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The emphasis by almost all networks on the politics of all of this has pretty much destroyed my personal joy in this visit.

It just never stops.

You will find the Joy if you tune in to EWTN channel 243 on comcast, as i have already posted. at this moment the Holy Father is saying a beautiful high mass in St Patrick's cathedral in NYC....their knowledgeable commentary will calm your fears.

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That was unnecessary

I know but I hate to not be able to correct such a glaring typo.

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OMG, he's still at it

OK, someone has to be an adult.

I apologize. Mia culpa, Mia culpa I was wrong. I was immature, self centered, ignorant and whatever else you said.

I might as well say my historical facts were all incorrect as well

You were right, I was wrong Sorry, Sorry, so sorry
Now I'm going to my room for a time out without dinner

I am not the same poster that has been arguing with you. I am the one that liked the information that you provided in one post further back. I did say that your chest beating was a bit too much. No reason for you to be insulted, just because someone questioned your vanity.

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I am not the same poster that has been arguing with you. I am the one that liked the information that you provided in one post further back. I did say that your chest beating was a bit too much. No reason for you to be insulted, just because someone questioned your vanity.

Didn't feel insulted at all, I realize I was a bit over the top with that other guy, and I apologized to everyone else who read my first response, it was in bad taste even though he was infuriating. I stooped to the grade school level of "He started it". This is the danger of sitting anonymously behind a keyboard and spouting off. I realize I'm not the first to throw insults back at the antagonist, and I won't be the last, but I can take responsibility for my actions.
Ever notice that in the political world, if someone cannot win an argument on the facts, they just start name-calling? The left is notorious for it, but the right has done it also. If you defeat a left leaning politician on debating points, or if you disagree with their premise, you are now labeled a racist, a sexist, a homophobe or an Islamaphobe. I saw a little of that strategy in his responses, diverting attention from the body of the facts to a personal attack. It was too bad I handed him the ammunition for it

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That one puts you back at 1/4 of a cucumber. I did over-react to your first idiotic insult, I won't take the bait again. You're not going to win this debate, if you can even call it that. Might as well just wave the white flag
I guess the best movie quote comes from "Bobby Jones-Stroke of Genius", when he could not get out of a pot bunker in the direction of the hole, but kept trying. his caddie finally spoke up "You know the definition of insanity--It's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" At least you're consistent And btw, speaking of holes, what kind of hole are you?
On second thought, I'll move you up to 1/3 of a cucumber, your vocabulary definitely has improved

The inanities about cucumbers makes me doubt the other elements of your self important resume. Why in the world are you, presumably in your 60s or more, still so insecure that you have to prop up your arguments with this kinds of drivel? Very peculiar ...

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The inanities about cucumbers makes me doubt the other elements of your self important resume. Why in the world are you, presumably in your 60s or more, still so insecure that you have to prop up your arguments with this kinds of drivel? Very peculiar ...

The cucumber was introduced by another poster, I apologize for continuing in that vein. Also, since I was stupid enough to engage at his level, please revise my IQ down to about 87. Take a degree or 2 away as well. I deserve it, but my motive is not entirely altruistic. I plan on seeking employment as Donald Trump's humility coach :1rotfl:

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The inanities about cucumbers makes me doubt the other elements of your self important resume. Why in the world are you, presumably in your 60s or more, still so insecure that you have to prop up your arguments with this kinds of drivel? Very peculiar ...

PS.
I'm in my early 70's, but maybe, after some self-analysis I might just feel less important than when I was working, ever hear Springsteen's "Glory Days"? It's not an excuse, but maybe it relates to the reason I shot back so hard at him in the first place

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The cucumber was introduced by another poster, I apologize for continuing in that vein. Also, since I was stupid enough to engage at his level, please revise my IQ down to about 87. Take a degree or 2 away as well. I deserve it, but my motive is not entirely altruistic. I plan on seeking employment as Donald Trump's humility coach :1rotfl:

Unfortunately, that's not even funny nor witty ... just inane and somewhat dumb. Your "joke" was an awkward anal extraction that may have required you to twist yourself in knots to even use. Sorry ... just not impressed but keep trying if you feel the urge.

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Unfortunately, that's not even funny nor witty ... just inane and somewhat dumb. Your "joke" was an awkward anal extraction that may have required you to twist yourself in knots to even use. Sorry ... just not impressed but keep trying if you feel the urge.

No comment. I already stated I'm not taking any more bait.

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The cucumber was introduced by another poster, I apologize for continuing in that vein. Also, since I was stupid enough to engage at his level, please revise my IQ down to about 87. Take a degree or 2 away as well. I deserve it, but my motive is not entirely altruistic. I plan on seeking employment as Donald Trump's humility coach :1rotfl:

In what you think is clever humor you are demeaning other posters with your on going rhetoric i.e. removing degrees and lowering your standard, etc.
Some how with all the alleged education, your social skills are quite lacking.

What you have not learned or refuse to accept is that the lettering of degrees and years of education DO NOT assure better understanding and successful, acceptable interface with the real world.

Wisdom and understanding are not assured either. These come from experiences which may, for some, include failures.

The letters of educational rank also do not identify who or what you are. YOU do that, as you have demonstrated here.

So how about setting aside all the digging and slamming and boasting and just address the issue at hand.

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Didn't feel insulted at all, I realize I was a bit over the top with that other guy, and I apologized to everyone else who read my first response, it was in bad taste even though he was infuriating. I stooped to the grade school level of "He started it". This is the danger of sitting anonymously behind a keyboard and spouting off. I realize I'm not the first to throw insults back at the antagonist, and I won't be the last, but I can take responsibility for my actions.
Ever notice that in the political world, if someone cannot win an argument on the facts, they just start name-calling? The left is notorious for it, but the right has done it also. If you defeat a left leaning politician on debating points, or if you disagree with their premise, you are now labeled a racist, a sexist, a homophobe or an Islamaphobe. I saw a little of that strategy in his responses, diverting attention from the body of the facts to a personal attack. It was too bad I handed him the ammunition for it

Just the facts in the debate is what I prefer to look at and ponder. The extraneous, personal stuff is not necessary. It's hard to dispute fact, even though I see some deny the truth in favor of ideology.

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PS.
I'm in my early 70's, but maybe, after some self-analysis I might just feel less important than when I was working, ever hear Springsteen's "Glory Days"? It's not an excuse, but maybe it relates to the reason I shot back so hard at him in the first place

:thumbup: Being in the '70's is qualification enough. You don't need to prove anything with documentation at that age. At that age, you are either as wise as you will get or slowly succumbing to mental deterioration. Either way, you qualify for this forum.

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In what you think is clever humor you are demeaning other posters with your on going rhetoric i.e. removing degrees and lowering your standard, etc.
Some how with all the alleged education, your social skills are quite lacking.

What you have not learned or refuse to accept is that the lettering of degrees and years of education DO NOT assure better understanding and successful, acceptable interface with the real world.

Wisdom and understanding are not assured either. These come from experiences which may, for some, include failures.

The letters of educational rank also do not identify who or what you are. YOU do that, as you have demonstrated here.

So how about setting aside all the digging and slamming and boasting and just address the issue at hand.

Again, not taking the bait.
I will say that after working almost 40 years as an astrophysicist, living in TV for the last 8 years and posting over 4500 times on TOTV, I do not believe I have encountered this level of childishness ever, even on the political forums. So I agree, address the issue at hand---I believe this nonsense started with "who was responsible for executing Jesus" I made my case with historical facts, and expressed the opinion that the Jewish Pharisees manipulated the Roman governor into crucifying Jesus. You are entitled to any opinion you like. And to quote Forrest Gump--"And that's all I have to say about that" In all seriousness, don't you think it is time to bury the hatchet (not in each other's heads) and move on? Only elephants and wives have memories this long.

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:thumbup: Being in the '70's is qualification enough. You don't need to prove anything with documentation at that age. At that age, you are either as wise as you will get or slowly succumbing to mental deterioration. Either way, you qualify for this forum.

But which is it? Wisdom should tell which one it is, but if it is mental deterioration it could be delusional.:1rotfl:
(I know someone will not think that was funny, I get it, don't bother to reiterate it)

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But which is it? Wisdom should tell which one it is, but if it is mental deterioration it could be delusional.:1rotfl:
(I know someone will not think that was funny, I get it, don't bother to reiterate it)

To one person, it is funny. To another it would be insulting. Neither one really matter, do they?

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How very disappointing. Even if most of his effort is for the people the media and the politicians and the special interest groups have assured the view will be agenda driven since he is a leftist pope:

The left has its pope (http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/the-left-has-its-pope/)

To me if the pope earns a political classification by his actions he is not doing the work of the people.

He too is driving an agenda that is politically oriented.

Yet another loss for the majority!

With all due respect, You and I may not agree 100% with the Pope, but to say he has a political agenda---I don't buy it.

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Again, not taking the bait.
I will say that after working almost 40 years as an astrophysicist, living in TV for the last 8 years and posting over 4500 times on TOTV, I do not believe I have encountered this level of childishness ever, even on the political forums. So I agree, address the issue at hand---I believe this nonsense started with "who was responsible for executing Jesus" I made my case with historical facts, and expressed the opinion that the Jewish Pharisees manipulated the Roman governor into crucifying Jesus. You are entitled to any opinion you like. And to quote Forrest Gump--"And that's all I have to say about that" In all seriousness, don't you think it is time to bury the hatchet (not in each other's heads) and move on? Only elephants and wives have memories this long.

I think you're also the same guy that told us about all the degrees you have, your off the charts IQ and pretty much how you are the smartest guy ever ... correct?

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With all due respect, You and I may not agree 100% with the Pope, but to say he has a political agenda---I don't buy it.

The minority position is duly noted!

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I think you're also the same guy that told us about all the degrees you have, your off the charts IQ and pretty much how you are the smartest guy ever ... correct?

Need you ask? Other than relating some personally related occurrences from the poster's past, who else attempts to profile himself in an effort to vindicate his qualifications to supply us with his version of fact or philosophy?