Villages ladies packing??

[gerryann]

I have a question for the fine people on TOTV. Recently there was a posting on Facebook regarding carrying guns. I'm not looking for any nasty comments. I'm just concerned about a statement that a person posted and I want to know if any of you believe it to be true. If it is true, it bothers me tremendously. I don't like the idea of drunk ladies "packing" a gun in their purse. I will quote exactly what was posted. By drunk, I am referring to the squares, not the stores. This is the quote:

"Most of the woman I know in TV carry a gun (packing) in their purse in the squares, Walmart, supermarket...drug store...movies...maybe that is why you feel so safe in TV. You have no idea who has a gun and who doesn't. You live in the south. It is for your safety as well as theirs. No one advertises that they are packing, but I assure you if you believe that most Villagers, especially retired military don't have a gun, you are very very naive"

I am only curious if this "lady" is off her rocker or if you believe that there are a lot of females with pistols in their purses? Opinions? ......and Gracie, I don't mean water pistols. :)

[tomwed]

I tried finding the quote in Facebook. Could you point me to the page?

[bagboy]

I think most likely there are a few. I doubt the percentage is disproportionate to anywhere else. That's just my opinion of course.

[gerryann]

I tried finding the quote in Facebook. Could you point me to the page?

It's in a thread about Coyotes. I don't want to name the person who started the thread for his privacy. It's in the regular Villages Facebook page. I also won't name the "lady" who made the comment. (At least I won't name her here)

[Fred R]

If a resident has a concealed carry permit, or a concealed carry from a state that has reciprocity with Florida there is no reason why they can't carry a handgun. The purpose of concealed carry is just that.....concealed. As long as they follow the laws there shouldn't be any problem. The remainder of the population wouldn't even know it

[gerryann]

If a resident has a concealed carry permit, or a concealed carry from a state that has reciprocity with Florida there is no reason why they can't carry a handgun. The purpose of concealed carry is just that.....concealed. As long as they follow the laws there shouldn't be any problem. The remainder of the population wouldn't even know it

I know this and I get it. I simply question that so many seniors in TV carry, that's all.

I guess maybe this person who made the statement hangs out with the same personality type as she is, so it would make sense that most everyone that she associates with carries a weapon in their purse.

[tomwed]

It's in a thread about Coyotes. I don't want to name the person who started the thread for his privacy. It's in the regular Villages Facebook page. I also won't name the "lady" who made the comment. (At least I won't name her here)
I didn't know there was a village facebook page. I tend to avoid that site. I don't want anymore information about who said what. I found the Facebook home page. thank-you

To answer your question, I have no idea.

[Chatbrat]

We can't run, we can't fight anymore & we represent vulnerabality-- therefore;we carry

[Jima64]

Has anyone read about any "drunk ladies" going Jessie James and popplng off a few rounds. I'm more worried with drunk drivers. I like the idea of citizens carrying.

[dbussone]

I know this and I get it. I simply question that so many seniors in TV carry, that's all.



I guess maybe this person who made the statement hangs out with the same personality type as she is, so it would make sense that most everyone that she associates with carries a weapon in their purse.


GA - Why do you question? It's a constitutional right. If your assumption is that everyone who associates with an individual who has a CWP, has a CWP also, seems a strange extrapolation to me. Have I misunderstood you?

[Golden Years]

I think it's great people in the villages are armed. It helps keep the crime down. I would hate for everyone to think with all the senior citizens live there it's easy picking. I am sure it makes criminals a little uneasy knowing they get caught committing a crime in the villages and they could end up looking like swiss cheese.

[Callaway Guy]

We can't run, we can't fight anymore & we represent vulnerabality-- therefore;we carry

Ditto; we don't leave home without them. We'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. In TV, we're not concerned, but there is a lot of trash that lives on the fringes of TV.

[gerryann]

GA - Why do you question? It's a constitutional right. If your assumption is that everyone who associates with an individual who has a CWP, has a CWP also, seems a strange extrapolation to me. Have I misunderstood you?

I'm not questioning anything. I'm fully aware that it is their right. The person that made the statement claims that most every lady she knows carry a a gun in their purse. I was simply wondering if anyone feels that this may be a true statement? Unlike a lot of you, I think that if a female carries a gun, she makes her friends aware of it...not the general public...her friends. I guess just the thought of elderly females walking around Walmart with a gun is unsettling.

I think the moderator should probably put this thread to bed. Too many gun righters need to comment. That's not what I was looking for. Carry on....after all it's your right. :)

[JoMar]

So is the assumption that you are ok with drunk men packing?

[gerryann]

So is the assumption that you are ok with drunk men packing?

That's a mature comment.

I'm not ok with anyone drunk having a gun on there person or purse.

[tomwed]

I don't know the answer to this question.
How many innocent bystanders or guilty perpetrators have been shot by Villagers?
There are many things to worry about that we know about first hand.

[dbussone]

I'm not questioning anything. I'm fully aware that it is their right. The person that made the statement claims that most every lady she knows carry a a gun in their purse. I was simply wondering if anyone feels that this may be a true statement? Unlike a lot of you, I think that if a female carries a gun, she makes her friends aware of it...not the general public...her friends. I guess just the thought of elderly females walking around Walmart with a gun is unsettling.



I think the moderator should probably put this thread to bed. Too many gun righters need to comment. That's not what I was looking for. Carry on....after all it's your right. :)


I apologize if you thought I was being pushy. I just wanted to understand your point

And I guess I do from your comment "unlike a lot of you"...

I thought a simple question might be answered simply as well. There was no political intent to my post.

[JoMar]

That's a mature comment.

I'm not ok with anyone drunk having a gun on there person or purse.

Then why was the post focused on women?

[gerryann]

Then why was the post focused on women?

I was quoting what someone said to me. I didn't say it.

[borjo]

So is the assumption that you are ok with drunk men packing?

Anyone purchasing alcoholic drinks in a bar and packing is against the law. Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearm License Application, 790.06, (12)(a). Cannot carry a concealed weapon or firearm into: #12." Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose".
There's quite a lot of responsibility that accompanies a concealed weapons permit. I doubt there are many "drunk men packing". But then again, there's always the bad guys.

[Barefoot]

The person that made the statement claims that most every lady she knows carry a a gun in their purse. I was simply wondering if anyone feels that this may be a true statement?

I don't carry a gun in my purse and I don't know anyone who does.

[Chatbrat]

Not a good thing to carry in your purse-carry on your person--also if you have any alcohol in your system & you're caught-you're in deep poop

[redwitch]

There are some women in TV that carry. In my circle of friends, I think I'm the only who does. If I think I'm going to have so much as one beer or glass of wine, my Glock is left at home or locked in the trunk of a car. My biggest concern with folks in a community such as TV carrying is the fear they will continue to carry if dementia or Alzheimer's begins. The combination of reduced mental faculties, anger issues involved with these diseases and a handy weapon is not a good combination to my mind.

[Fredster]

I have a question for the fine people on TOTV. Recently there was a posting on Facebook regarding carrying guns. I'm not looking for any nasty comments. I'm just concerned about a statement that a person posted and I want to know if any of you believe it to be true. If it is true, it bothers me tremendously. I don't like the idea of drunk ladies "packing" a gun in their purse. I will quote exactly what was posted. By drunk, I am referring to the squares, not the stores. This is the quote:

"Most of the woman I know in TV carry a gun (packing) in their purse in the squares, Walmart, supermarket...drug store...movies...maybe that is why you feel so safe in TV. You have no idea who has a gun and who doesn't. You live in the south. It is for your safety as well as theirs. No one advertises that they are packing, but I assure you if you believe that most Villagers, especially retired military don't have a gun, you are very very naive"

I am only curious if this "lady" is off her rocker or if you believe that there are a lot of females with pistols in their purses? Opinions? ......and Gracie, I don't mean water pistols. :)

You can't believe everything you read, especially
something posted on TOTV!

[outlaw]

Try asking some of your friends what they think about CC. You may be surprised who will say they do. Think of all the retired LEOs living in TV. Likely most of them CC. Think of all the Floridians that live here. A large portion of them probably CC. It's part of the culture in the south. Your concern regarding carrying drunk is valid. I'm sure it does happen just like drunk driving. I'm also pretty sure there are a lot of unauthorized CC going on around here.

[outlaw]

I don't carry a gun in my purse and I don't know anyone who does.


Have you asked them? You may be surprised.

[graciegirl]

Have you asked them? You may be surprised.



Women know what their friends do. Men don't share things like that but women do. No one in my circle of friends carry, but some neighbors have been trained to use a gun and own one. This is new to me. Only people who hunted owned guns that I knew growing up. I was very glad they were armed when the break in's started last year about this time.

I do want to add for the benefit of any new readers that only in one instance were their people in the house and that was at night and the villagers were unaware of anyone entering.(AND they had a dog) Some of the bad guys gained entry by kicking in the front door in broad daylight or removing a slider in the back...also during the day. I think they watched the homeowners leave.

[ugotme]

Quite frankly I do not know the answer to this.

I also do not believe the original person who authored the quote does not know either. It was stated that "most of the women she knows. . . " which tells us nothing.

There are a lot of people who post on here who either hear something or have feelings about something that state it is the truth. Just read all the posts about when the build out will be, what stores are coming here etc. etc.

IF you carry and IF you consume alcohol you are in violation.

I believe the OP on this post was merely asking a question and shouldn't be jumped on.

[CFrance]

Anyone purchasing alcoholic drinks in a bar and packing is against the law. Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearm License Application, 790.06, (12)(a). Cannot carry a concealed weapon or firearm into: #12." Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose".
There's quite a lot of responsibility that accompanies a concealed weapons permit. I doubt there are many "drunk men packing". But then again, there's always the bad guys.

Who's to know a person is carrying concealed in a bar unless that person pulls it out? In which case, it's too late to do anything about, because obviously that person is not in control of his or her actions.

[asianthree]

Very few that carry advertise. More women than men have conceal permits at work

[Sable99]

Have you asked them? You may be surprised.

You are right. I was surprised to learn that a good friend of mine has a concealed carry permit. She is a senior but doesn't live in The Villages nor does she drink. It really surprised me that her husband doesn't have one.

It made sense after I thought about it. She dealt with a lot of unsavory issues before she retired and her husband didn't.

[Wing-nut2]

The Villages Straight Shooters conducts a Basic Pistol Course once a moth. The Basic Pistol course is 8 hours of training. This course goes far above the amount of information and training you wold receive at a gun show.

The next class is Oct 12th. The class on November 11th is a LADIES ONLY Class. Basic Pistol Safety - The Villages Straight Shooters Club (http://www.vssclub.org/basic-pistol-safety.html) should get you to the sign up page of The Straight Shooters.

[xcaligirl]

.....so a drunk female carrying is questionable however no mention of a drunk man carrying... hmmmmmm.

[CFrance]

.....so a drunk female carrying is questionable however no mention of a drunk man carrying... hmmmmmm.

As was pointed out, gerryann is responding to a Facebook post, and it was that poster who didn't mention men.

[dave harris]

Most of the gentlemen I see in The Villages wear tee type shirts and khaki type pants. How would they conceal?

[graciegirl]

.....so a drunk female carrying is questionable however no mention of a drunk man carrying... hmmmmmm.



Things like that never make me want to jump on them. I have always felt equal and see no reason to challenge that premise.

[CFrance]

Most of the gentlemen I see in The Villages wear tee type shirts and khaki type pants. How would they conceal?

Our friend (not in The Villages) wears long pants and a gun in an ankle holder. I think by the time he could get to it, it'd be all over. But I don't say that.

[graciegirl]

Our friend (not in The Villages) wears long pants and a gun in an ankle holder. I think by the time he could get to it, it'd be all over. But I don't say that.



I always agree with people who have a gun.


I mean, I never have had to...but I would given the opportunity.

[Barefoot]

I don't carry a gun in my purse and I don't know anyone who does.
Have you asked them? You may be surprised.
I doubt that I would be surprised, most of my women friends share personal information quite readily.
But asking a woman if she carries a concealed weapon - isn't that a bit like asking a man if he wears a toupee?

[graciegirl]

I doubt that I would be surprised, most of my women friends share personal information quite readily.
But asking a woman if she carries a concealed weapon - isn't that a bit like asking a man if he wears a toupee?



No ...more like if he he's had a vastectomy. But as Boomer says. I digress.


I think it is fun to digress. We have talked about this stuff so often before outlaw arrived.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why believe anything posted on Facebook?

[graciegirl]

Why believe anything posted on Facebook?



Bogie. A lot of it is TRUE. Just this morning I posted that I have the most wonderful grandchildren in the Universe.

[Barefoot]

But asking a woman if she carries a concealed weapon - isn't that a bit like asking a man if he wears a toupee?
No ...more like if he he's had a vasectomy.
:girlneener: That's a much better question. And we are both digressing, but that's half the fun of a Forum.

[CassieInVa]

Gracie, you crack me up! Lol

[Chatbrat]

There is a holster called a Sneaky Pete-looks like a cell phone case- I used it for my Springfield XDS-45 , usually I carry a S&W airline 38--right in my pants front pack-thats how you carry with shorts & a T shirt

[CFrance]

There is a holster called a Sneaky Pete-looks like a cell phone case- I used it for my Springfield XDS-45 , usually I carry a S&W airline 38--right in my pants front pack-thats how you carry with shorts & a T shirt
Hopefully you will never make the mistake Plaxico Burress did and shoot yourself in the thigh. :yuck:

[outlaw]

There is a holster called a Sneaky Pete-looks like a cell phone case- I used it for my Springfield XDS-45 , usually I carry a S&W airline 38--right in my pants front pack-thats how you carry with shorts & a T shirt

If you are carrying Mexican style, that is very dangerous. Accidental discharge can result in severing the femoral artery. You will bleed out very quickly. Buy a Mexican trigger holster for about $20.

[graciegirl]

If you are carrying Mexican style, that is very dangerous. Accidental discharge can result in severing the femoral artery. You will bleed out very quickly. Buy a Mexican trigger holster for about $20.



How about THIS? Leave them at home. You don't need to carry them around here ....




YET.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

Most of the gentlemen I see in The Villages wear tee type shirts and khaki type pants. How would they conceal?

They use a pocket holster with a small slim line automatic. The pocket holster breaks up the contour and allows for a quick draw while the holster remains in the pocket. I used a .380 with personal defense rounds for carry.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

I don't think that many women carry a gun in a purse..............but a whole lot of woman keep one in the car!

[outlaw]

I don't think that many women carry a gun in a purse..............but a whole lot of woman keep one in the car!

There are a whole line of fashion purses with built in holsters. Someone's buying them.

[Chatbrat]

Plaxico Burris carried a Glock--my Smith & Wesson is a wheel gun-infinitly safer than a Glock & it is in a pocket sleeve-the only way a wheel gun goes bang is when you pull the trigger-thats why they don't need safety's

[Walter123]

There is a new club in The Villages called "Mums with guns"

I don't know anyone that carries on a consistent basis.

[Jima64]

As safe as the Villages is I personally would not carry a weapon. That being said my wife was attacked years ago and she wishes she had not given her weapon away prior to the attack. This was in a large city not the Villages. I would rearm now if I were doing much travelling around the state.

[billethkid]

I think for the most part the statement provided is factual.

As far as to whether it is "most" or not, I would doubt that.

The thread is really sort of off track as you have decided to discuss armed women who happen to be drunk. The quoted content has nothing to do with that hypothesis and tends to prejudice the subject.

Responsible, certified gun carriers are keenly aware of the rules involving liquor and guns in the same space of life.

[Chatbrat]

The trouble with a gun in a purses--if you lose control of the purse-you lose control of the gun

[tomwed]

I'm glad my wife doesn't have a concealed weapon permit. The way she packs, the purse would have wheels.

[Mleeja]

Although I live in a very sheltered world, I know of one person that has a CWP and is packing. This is also a question I don't normally ask when meeting folks on the golf course! I find it hard to believe we have a bunch of "pistol toten grannies" in TV.

[tomwed]

Although I live in a very sheltered world, I know of one person that has a CWP and is packing. This is also a question I don't normally ask when meeting folks on the golf course! I find it hard to believe we have a bunch of "pistol toten grannies" in TV.
Me too. But just in case I'm wrong I would like to take this opportunity to change my position on slow play.

[MikeV]

Most of the gentlemen I see in The Villages wear tee type shirts and khaki type pants. How would they conceal?

Very easy to conceal a gun. Like a 5 shot .22 Mag Mini by American Arms. Just a hunch you understand. :laugh:

[Mleeja]

Me too. But just in case I'm wrong I would like to take this opportunity to change my position on slow play.

Funny!:beer3::beer3:

[gerryann]

As the OP, the only reason I mentioned "being drunk", while carrying a gun is that the squares was mentioned as a place that she and her friends carry. I guess I shouldn't automatically assume drinking and the squares go together.....I realize that not everyone at the squares is drinking.....and I certainly hope that if they have a gun, that they don't drink.

Another reason for my post was that the person who was quoted who carries (and claims most of her friends do), is a hot head. She appears to not have self control. That scares me that folks with hot tempers are carrying. (Hence, why we see road rage where people get killed).

I believe for a lot of people it provides a sense of security. I also feel that for some people if they ended up needing to use it, it would be used against them before they ever had a chance to use it as they intended. Given the age in a retirement community and the decreased reflex time.

[outlaw]

People who don't carry or don't even own a gun usually are surprised to find out that many people CC. There are over 300,000,000 guns in this country. I would guess there is probably 5 times as many CCers as there are CWPs.

[gerryann]

People who don't carry or don't even own a gun usually are surprised to find out that many people CC. There are over 300,000,000 guns in this country. I would guess there is probably 5 times as many CCers as there are CWPs.

Unfortunately, I am fully aware of many that carry......just not even one here in TV. That's why the persons comment surprised me...and why I asked.

I knew many that carried up north. Many of very immature people who drank and carried and who sat in bars while carrying.......which again is why her comments concerned me.

However, the good news is that I have never heard of a situation here in TV that involved a gun in a public place.

I believe that the person who posted that she carries and most of her friends carry, is not telling the truth.....judging by the comments here. Hopefully, only mature, intelligent folks CC here in TV.

[Barefoot]

As the OP, the only reason I mentioned "being drunk", while carrying a gun is that the squares was mentioned as a place that she and her friends carry. .... Another reason for my post was that the person who was quoted who carries (and claims most of her friends do), is a hot head. She appears to not have self control. That scares me that folks with hot tempers are carrying. (Hence, why we see road rage where people get killed).

Gerryann, thanks for starting this thread. I had no idea carrying a gun was so popular in TV.
This thread has been a real eye opener for me. :22yikes:

[billethkid]

I do not think this thread provided any substance to conclude that carrying is either popular or not in TV.

For those of us trained and certified and do carry it is as normal and insignificant as carrying a wallet....99% of us would not go around bragging about it. Carrying concealed is like carrying $1000 cash in your pocket.....there just is no need to brag about it.

[dewilson58]

Gerryann, thanks for starting this thread. I had no idea carrying a gun was so popular in TV.
This thread has been a real eye opener for me. :22yikes:

I started a Carrying threat in October of 2013......same results.....quite entertaining.

[Rango]

That's a mature comment.

I'm not ok with anyone drunk having a gun on there person or purse.

I believe in Florida and probably most states it is illegal to bring a gun into a bar or any place that serves alcohol

Go to a meeting of The Villages Straight Shooters gun club. You would be surprised at the number of women members. Most have CCW permits.

[fred53]

I have a question for the fine people on TOTV. Recently there was a posting on Facebook regarding carrying guns. I'm not looking for any nasty comments. I'm just concerned about a statement that a person posted and I want to know if any of you believe it to be true. If it is true, it bothers me tremendously. I don't like the idea of drunk ladies "packing" a gun in their purse. I will quote exactly what was posted. By drunk, I am referring to the squares, not the stores. This is the quote:

"Most of the woman I know in TV carry a gun (packing) in their purse in the squares, Walmart, supermarket...drug store...movies...maybe that is why you feel so safe in TV. You have no idea who has a gun and who doesn't. You live in the south. It is for your safety as well as theirs. No one advertises that they are packing, but I assure you if you believe that most Villagers, especially retired military don't have a gun, you are very very naive"

I am only curious if this "lady" is off her rocker or if you believe that there are a lot of females with pistols in their purses? Opinions? ......and Gracie, I don't mean water pistols. :)

into play???? I'm more concerned with drunken drivers than someone carrying a pistol and being drunk...at least if you're caught with a weapon and are drunk you'll suffer serious consequences...the least of which is you lose your permit to carry...

Stop worrying about those few who carry legally and responsibly and start worrying if the person in the car next to you is about to pass out from alcohol....

[gerryann]

into play???? I'm more concerned with drunken drivers than someone carrying a pistol and being drunk...at least if you're caught with a weapon and are drunk you'll suffer serious consequences...the least of which is you lose your permit to carry...

Stop worrying about those few who carry legally and responsibly and start worrying if the person in the car next to you is about to pass out from alcohol....

Not overly worried about either. Just curious about the comment that this person made saying. " most every woman I know in TV caries a gun"......just an unsettling thought. .....then again, maybe she doesn't know anybody. ;)

[billethkid]

into play???? I'm more concerned with drunken drivers than someone carrying a pistol and being drunk...at least if you're caught with a weapon and are drunk you'll suffer serious consequences...the least of which is you lose your permit to carry...

Stop worrying about those few who carry legally and responsibly and start worrying if the person in the car next to you is about to pass out from alcohol....

:BigApplause:

[Callaway Guy]

Most of the gentlemen I see in The Villages wear tee type shirts and khaki type pants. How would they conceal?

This is how - S&W Bodyguard .380

[dbussone]

Women packing in The Villages: Operation Shoebox.

55172w

[virgind]

I think everyone should carry a gun. Get your permit first though.

[justjim]

I know in Illinois you must go through a comprehensive training program prior to getting a CC permit. I have a firearm permit and use to hunt a bit but never applied for a CC permit. Our son does have one but rarely carries.

Frankly, I don't see the need in TV. I always felt that you shouldn't have a gun unless you know how to use it and are willing to use it. Dad told me that.

[looneycat]

I'm not questioning anything. I'm fully aware that it is their right. The person that made the statement claims that most every lady she knows carry a a gun in their purse. I was simply wondering if anyone feels that this may be a true statement? Unlike a lot of you, I think that if a female carries a gun, she makes her friends aware of it...not the general public...her friends. I guess just the thought of elderly females walking around Walmart with a gun is unsettling.

I think the moderator should probably put this thread to bed. Too many gun righters need to comment. That's not what I was looking for. Carry on....after all it's your right. :)

facebook is known for giving a forum to people who want to spout any nonsense...it is not true because it is on the internet, but many of us villagers have ccws

[looneycat]

This is how - S&W Bodyguard .380

my preference as well, pocket carry .380 or 9mm

[JoMar]

I know in Illinois you must go through a comprehensive training program prior to getting a CC permit. I have a firearm permit and use to hunt a bit but never applied for a CC permit. Our son does have one but rarely carries.

Frankly, I don't see the need in TV. I always felt that you shouldn't have a gun unless you know how to use it and are willing to use it. Dad told me that.

Florida is the same, a comprehensive training program plus you must show proficiency with a weapon.

[JoMar]

I know in Illinois you must go through a comprehensive training program prior to getting a CC permit. I have a firearm permit and use to hunt a bit but never applied for a CC permit. Our son does have one but rarely carries.

Frankly, I don't see the need in TV. I always felt that you shouldn't have a gun unless you know how to use it and are willing to use it. Dad told me that.

I agree that I don't think you need to carry in TV. However, if you leave TV you might want to have something with you depending where you go. The bad guys (and girls) still car jack and exhibit road rage so if you are trained why wouldn't you do what is necessary to protect both you and your family? I don't think passive or submissive works anymore....IMO

[gerryann]

facebook is known for giving a forum to people who want to spout any nonsense...it is not true because it is on the internet, but many of us villagers have ccws

That's actually kind of a funny comment. How is Facebook (a monitored Villages Facebook page) any different than TOTV?
With Facebook you are not really anonymous. With TOTV you can be. On TOTV no info is really out there except want you want out there.

[dbussone]

I agree that I don't think you need to carry in TV. However, if you leave TV you might want to have something with you depending where you go. The bad guys (and girls) still car jack and exhibit road rage so if you are trained why wouldn't you do what is necessary to protect both you and your family? I don't think passive or submissive works anymore....IMO


And if you go to Orlando you are entering bad guy territory IMO.

[dirtbanker]

And if you go to Orlando you are entering bad guy territory IMO.

I don't believe you need to go that far to be in bad guy territory. Some of the locals that attend the square look gang like enough to cause concern. Heck some of the villagers in the historic district look like bad guys...JK

[graciegirl]

I don't believe you need to go that far to be in bad guy territory. Some of the locals that attend the square look gang like enough to cause concern. Heck some of the villagers in the historic district look like bad guys...JK



So far I have not seen the need in the nine years we have lived here to carry a firearm around on me. You may see my lifeless body on the square, done in by a line dancer with a good left.


Some of the villagers in Premier neighborhoods look like bad guys too...according to the eternal, almost never stopping tree thread.
and certain folks posting on that thread wishing to malign all folks from villages with certain attributes. Say price of homes. Bad on them.


There is far less nasty here than in many other areas of this planet. Far less.


Good morning. It is another beautiful day in The Villages..

[golfing eagles]

So far I have not seen the need in the nine years we have lived here to carry a firearm around on me. You may see my lifeless body on the square, done in by a line dancer with a good left.


Some of the villagers in Premier neighborhoods look like bad guys too...according to the eternal, almost never stopping tree thread.
and certain folks posting on that thread wishing to malign all folks from villages with certain attributes. Say price of homes. Bad on them.


There is far less nasty here than in many other areas of this planet. Far less.


Good morning. It is another beautiful day in The Villages..

I agree, I really can't get behind the concept of the average senior citizen female Villager carrying (not intended as sexist or age discriminatory)

1) The average 70 year old woman, even with a CWP, is not physically capable of confronting a 20 year old man
2) If that person is contemplating using their weapon, they better be darned sure they are being confronted with LETHAL force, otherwise they may be trading their dream for an 8x12 cell
3) Given #2, by the time it is clear the assailant possesses lethal force, it is probably too late to get a gun out of a purse
4) If raised like most of us, this person will likely hesitate a few seconds to pull the trigger, the 20 year old will not
5) If there is more than one assailant, your odds just took a nosedive
6) Therefore, unless approached from 40 feet away by a knife wielding maniac shouting that he is going to kill you, you are more likely to get killed by your own gun (and if you do shoot him, better make sure he is not an ethnic minority, under 18, or of subnormal intelligence or the media will convict you without a trial---best to have no witnesses)

I am not anti-gun---I'll defend your 2nd amendment rights even though I personally don't own a gun. In fact, when some nut job comes to a movie to shoot it up, I like the idea of a few well trained gun carrying patrons in the audience. I just don't want the person with the CWP to be the victim.

Also, I doubt there are many gang members flocking to the squares for the type of entertainers we have performing. Just don't invite Jay Zee or LL Cool J to perform. And to the extent that a few gang bangers show up, we can hire them to keep the seat savers and the line dancers in check:1rotfl:

[looneycat]

I agree, I really can't get behind the concept of the average senior citizen female Villager carrying (not intended as sexist or age discriminatory)

1) The average 70 year old woman, even with a CWP, is not physically capable of confronting a 20 year old man
2) If that person is contemplating using their weapon, they better be darned sure they are being confronted with LETHAL force, otherwise they may be trading their dream for an 8x12 cell
3) Given #2, by the time it is clear the assailant possesses lethal force, it is probably too late to get a gun out of a purse
4) If raised like most of us, this person will likely hesitate a few seconds to pull the trigger, the 20 year old will not
5) If there is more than one assailant, your odds just took a nosedive
6) Therefore, unless approached from 40 feet away by a knife wielding maniac shouting that he is going to kill you, you are more likely to get killed by your own gun (and if you do shoot him, better make sure he is not an ethnic minority, under 18, or of subnormal intelligence or the media will convict you without a trial---best to have no witnesses)

I am not anti-gun---I'll defend your 2nd amendment rights even though I personally don't own a gun. In fact, when some nut job comes to a movie to shoot it up, I like the idea of a few well trained gun carrying patrons in the audience. I just don't want the person with the CWP to be the victim.

Also, I doubt there are many gang members flocking to the squares for the type of entertainers we have performing. Just don't invite Jay Zee or LL Cool J to perform. And to the extent that a few gang bangers show up, we can hire them to keep the seat savers and the line dancers in check:1rotfl:

you've made an awful lot of assumptions about trained gun owners being inept, gang members? there have been armed robberies here....

[outlaw]

I agree, I really can't get behind the concept of the average senior citizen female Villager carrying (not intended as sexist or age discriminatory)

1) The average 70 year old woman, even with a CWP, is not physically capable of confronting a 20 year old man
2) If that person is contemplating using their weapon, they better be darned sure they are being confronted with LETHAL force, otherwise they may be trading their dream for an 8x12 cell
3) Given #2, by the time it is clear the assailant possesses lethal force, it is probably too late to get a gun out of a purse
4) If raised like most of us, this person will likely hesitate a few seconds to pull the trigger, the 20 year old will not
5) If there is more than one assailant, your odds just took a nosedive
6) Therefore, unless approached from 40 feet away by a knife wielding maniac shouting that he is going to kill you, you are more likely to get killed by your own gun (and if you do shoot him, better make sure he is not an ethnic minority, under 18, or of subnormal intelligence or the media will convict you without a trial---best to have no witnesses)

I am not anti-gun---I'll defend your 2nd amendment rights even though I personally don't own a gun. In fact, when some nut job comes to a movie to shoot it up, I like the idea of a few well trained gun carrying patrons in the audience. I just don't want the person with the CWP to be the victim.

Also, I doubt there are many gang members flocking to the squares for the type of entertainers we have performing. Just don't invite Jay Zee or LL Cool J to perform. And to the extent that a few gang bangers show up, we can hire them to keep the seat savers and the line dancers in check:1rotfl:

Wow! Lots of unfounded assumptions supporting the anti-gun position. Starting with number 1; if you think a 70 yo woman with a gun is incapable against a 20 yo, then what do you think her chances are without a gun?! After that, 2 thru 6 are just about as biased. Do you know there are countless incidences in which a prospective assailant(s) turned and ran when the victim merely revealed the gun?

[graciegirl]

Wow! Lots of unfounded assumptions supporting the anti-gun position. Starting with number 1; if you think a 70 yo woman with a gun is incapable against a 20 yo, then what do you think her chances are without a gun?! After that, 2 thru 6 are just about as biased. Do you know there are countless incidences in which a prospective assailant(s) turned and ran when the victim merely revealed the gun?



Look into my eyes. No one is disagreeing. THIS is not a place where a gun is needed to be carried ..........YET.


Maybe someday, maybe soon. But not yet. This is NOT ORLANDO. I heard that Minnie got her carry permit last week.


Don't start something when there isn't a problem...YET........no one is trying to disagree with you or anyone's second amendment rights.


Sit down. Deep breaths.

[outlaw]

Look into my eyes. No one is disagreeing. THIS is not a place where a gun is needed to be carried ..........YET.


Maybe someday, maybe soon. But not yet. This is NOT ORLANDO. I heard that Minnie got her carry permit last week.


Don't start something when there isn't a problem...YET........no one is trying to disagree with you or anyone's second amendment rights.


Sit down. Deep breaths.

Just because I used an exclamation point doesn't mean I am excited or wound up. I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me. I'm more interested in honest open debate and learning others' opinions regardless of whether they agree with me.

[golfing eagles]

Wow! Lots of unfounded assumptions supporting the anti-gun position. Starting with number 1; if you think a 70 yo woman with a gun is incapable against a 20 yo, then what do you think her chances are without a gun?! After that, 2 thru 6 are just about as biased. Do you know there are countless incidences in which a prospective assailant(s) turned and ran when the victim merely revealed the gun?

Whoa!!! Slow down.

I clearly stated I was NOT anti-gun
And I don't think the 70 year old woman is "incapable", I was just pointing out there can be some downside to such an encounter

Beyond that, which "unfounded assumption" do you disagree with?---the legal restrictions on use of lethal force, the declining odds against multiple assailants, or the natural hesitancy to pull the trigger that takes years of training to overcome?

And I didn't bring up "gangs", just responded with the opinion that there probably not a lot of gangs hanging around for the nightly entertainment

No insult, but is it possible you were assuming that I was assuming?:024:

[outlaw]

Whoa!!! Slow down.

I clearly stated I was NOT anti-gun
And I don't think the 70 year old woman is "incapable", I was just pointing out there can be some downside to such an encounter

Beyond that, which "unfounded assumption" do you disagree with?---the legal restrictions on use of lethal force, the declining odds against multiple assailants, or the natural hesitancy to pull the trigger that takes years of training to overcome?

And I didn't bring up "gangs", just responded with the opinion that there probably not a lot of gangs hanging around for the nightly entertainment

No insult, but is it possible you were assuming that I was assuming?:024:

Hey! Settle down there partner. No need to get upset. I just disagreed with your assumptions. I don't have them in front of me, but pretty much all of them, I think. Your assumptions are biased toward the unsuccessful use of a firearm for self protection. You did not present any potential upside. Does that make you a bad person? Of course not. You just happen to be biased against firearms as a viable self defense tool. I happen to think it is the primary, most practical means of self defense. Of course, the best defense is not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. But that is not always easy. Going to Walmart can result in an attack as you load your car with merchandise. Please don't be offended, but how else can you describe your statements, other than assumptions. You stated the 70 yo lady with a gun is no match for a 20 yo. What was your basis for that comment? You stated she would probably hesitate using her firearm to the point that it would not help her. What was your basis for that conclusion? See where I'm going? You may not have even realized your anti-gun bias. But your "assumed" scenarios are loaded with bias. You may see me as pro-gun biased. I don't take offense to that. That is your opinion. All is good.

[virgind]

Whats the difference in or out of the villages you dont think the bad guys come in here. Really you should rethink some of the comments.

[outlaw]

Whats the difference in or out of the villages you dont think the bad guys come in here. Really you should rethink some of the comments.

The bad guys can't get in here. It's a gated community....(kidding for those oh so serious posters).

[golfing eagles]

Whats the difference in or out of the villages you dont think the bad guys come in here. Really you should rethink some of the comments.

No, I don't think the bad guys come here in any significant numbers. This is also the opinion of the US Dept of Justice and Florida authorities. Statistically, area codes 32162 &3 are among the lowest crime rates in the country. I had a post some months ago with the exact numbers

[golfing eagles]

Hey! Settle down there partner. No need to get upset. I just disagreed with your assumptions. I don't have them in front of me, but pretty much all of them, I think. Your assumptions are biased toward the unsuccessful use of a firearm for self protection. You did not present any potential upside. Does that make you a bad person? Of course not. You just happen to be biased against firearms as a viable self defense tool. I happen to think it is the primary, most practical means of self defense. Of course, the best defense is not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. But that is not always easy. Going to Walmart can result in an attack as you load your car with merchandise. Please don't be offended, but how else can you describe your statements, other than assumptions. You stated the 70 yo lady with a gun is no match for a 20 yo. What was your basis for that comment? You stated she would probably hesitate using her firearm to the point that it would not help her. What was your basis for that conclusion? See where I'm going? You may not have even realized your anti-gun bias. But your "assumed" scenarios are loaded with bias. You may see me as pro-gun biased. I don't take offense to that. That is your opinion. All is good.

ROFL!!!! I didn't realize I was upset, offended, or biased against guns.

I must be suffering from a lack of clarity of expression, since I agree with you, but I guess that got lost in translation..

I fully support well trained CCP holders carrying, regardless of age or gender, per their 2nd amendment rights. In 95% of encounters with "the bad guys", it is an advantage. I was only referring to the other times where things don't work out as well, we all know an encounter involving guns can turn south on a dime, and some of the possible reasons that can occur. I'll still stand by the hesitancy comment, most LEOs would agree that it takes years to overcome that natural tendency--most of us have a sense of morality that makes us hesitant to take a life--but no so much for "the bad guys"
I guess my only other point is that there is a time and place for everything. You probably don't need to carry 100% of the time, I was going to say not on a golf course, for example. But then again, after reading about some behavior on the execs........

[outlaw]

No, I don't think the bad guys come here in any significant numbers. This is also the opinion of the US Dept of Justice and Florida authorities. Statistically, area codes 32162 &3 are among the lowest crime rates in the country. I had a post some months ago with the exact numbers

I'm assuming you're an MD. So I thought you might enjoy this link. It is a somewhat lengthy review/analysis of the 2nd A. I thought you may enjoy the methodical approach.

A CRITICAL GUIDE TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT (http://www.guncite.com/journals/reycrit.html)

[Patty55]

I've always felt safe here, maybe when the big Wildwood wall goes up less people will feel the need to carry.

I think if I was going to carry I'd get one of those thigh high leg garter type of holsters. Purse carrying wouldn't work because the gun is too heavy and ruins your purse.

[tomwed]

"Better Prada, than Nada" [kidding]
http://i60.tinypic.com/t53oef.png

[graciegirl]

Whats the difference in or out of the villages you dont think the bad guys come in here. Really you should rethink some of the comments.


If you were speaking to me...yes, I know bad guys come in here. The burglars will soon be back, they seem to come in spurts and even seasonally. There are villagers with no moral compass or addicted to booze or drugs or never have been any damn good.


BUT....as a group, we are far more law abiding and have far less crime than like sized cities. I am not anti-gun. I just don't like that some folks think that all people need one. I knew when I flunked archery that hitting a target was not gonna be my strong suit.


I intensly dislike to be targeted by evangelistic vegetarians and evangelistic gun folks. I don't care if you carry, and a lot of times I am glad you do......just don't care if I don't carry. Have a carrot?

[dewilson58]

I've always felt safe here, maybe when the big Wildwood wall goes up less people will feel the need to carry.

I think if I was going to carry I'd get one of those thigh high leg garter type of holsters. Purse carrying wouldn't work because the gun is too heavy and ruins your purse.

Thigh high leg garter.....................that's where I carry mine.

[tomwed]

Thigh high leg garter.....................that's where I carry mine.
Better chafe, than sorry [I think I'm on to something]

[dbussone]

I've always felt safe here, maybe when the big Wildwood wall goes up less people will feel the need to carry.



I think if I was going to carry I'd get one of those thigh high leg garter type of holsters. Purse carrying wouldn't work because the gun is too heavy and ruins your purse.


They make purses that are designed to safely carry guns. And believe me, if most women carry as much stuff in their purses as my wife, another pound won't make a difference. 55185

I'd include a picture of a specially designed bra as well, but I understand this is a family thread, rated G (for gun).

[outlaw]

I've always felt safe here, maybe when the big Wildwood wall goes up less people will feel the need to carry.

I think if I was going to carry I'd get one of those thigh high leg garter type of holsters. Purse carrying wouldn't work because the gun is too heavy and ruins your purse.

Now you're talkin'.:agree:

[Patty55]

They make purses that are designed to safely carry guns. And believe me, if most women carry as much stuff in their purses as my wife, another pound won't make a difference. 55185

I'd include a picture of a specially designed bra as well, but I understand this is a family thread, rated G (for gun).

The good thing about the garter is if your skirt is short enough or you have a tendency to dance with your skirt over your head it is no longer concealed.:22yikes:

[outlaw]

ROFL!!!! I didn't realize I was upset, offended, or biased against guns.

I must be suffering from a lack of clarity of expression, since I agree with you, but I guess that got lost in translation..

I fully support well trained CCP holders carrying, regardless of age or gender, per their 2nd amendment rights. In 95% of encounters with "the bad guys", it is an advantage. I was only referring to the other times where things don't work out as well, we all know an encounter involving guns can turn south on a dime, and some of the possible reasons that can occur. I'll still stand by the hesitancy comment, most LEOs would agree that it takes years to overcome that natural tendency--most of us have a sense of morality that makes us hesitant to take a life--but no so much for "the bad guys"
I guess my only other point is that there is a time and place for everything. You probably don't need to carry 100% of the time, I was going to say not on a golf course, for example. But then again, after reading about some behavior on the execs........

My response was in jest. I was just returning the "Whoa." I really don't get upset by many posts and I didn't think you were upset with mine. Not to argue with you, but I do enjoy this subject. I think that a person that CCs regularly, and pulls their gun, are usually scared/threatened/frightened enough to pull the trigger immediately if the bad guys don't run first. If a man approaches with a knife and you see him coming, if you are carrying, I believe you would not hesitate to pull the gun and warn him; one more step and you would pull the trigger. When it goes down, most people are not going to think logically. They are going to shoot if they feel threatened. Of course, this is just my opinion. People that have decided not to carry may see it differently, which is why they do not carry. There are so many instances where a CCer shot without hesitation, because the gun never came out until they felt it was do or die.

[Chatbrat]

With the price of ammo those days--warning shots are history--make everyone count & empty the gun-this way it can't be used against you & if you have to go to court-you will be the only who can testify

[dewilson58]

Better chafe, than sorry [I think I'm on to something]

My nomination for Comment of the Year.

:a040:

[graciegirl]

http://www.forttumbleweed.net/wyatt/jessjoancowgirlguns48.jpg

[golfing eagles]

My response was in jest. I was just returning the "Whoa." I really don't get upset by many posts and I didn't think you were upset with mine. Not to argue with you, but I do enjoy this subject. I think that a person that CCs regularly, and pulls their gun, are usually scared/threatened/frightened enough to pull the trigger immediately if the bad guys don't run first. If a man approaches with a knife and you see him coming, if you are carrying, I believe you would not hesitate to pull the gun and warn him; one more step and you would pull the trigger. When it goes down, most people are not going to think logically. They are going to shoot if they feel threatened. Of course, this is just my opinion. People that have decided not to carry may see it differently, which is why they do not carry. There are so many instances where a CCer shot without hesitation, because the gun never came out until they felt it was do or die.

Ok, apparently not only is my clarity of expression at an all time low, so is my clarity of interpretation. Sorry. And the bold highlight is the reason I don't carry, I'd leave too big a body count in my wake:1rotfl:

[tomwed]

http://www.forttumbleweed.net/wyatt/jessjoancowgirlguns48.jpg
I have pictures like that too up north, my older sister and I in cowgirl and cowboy outfits. It was fun. We played cowboys and indians just like in the movies and tv. My kids played the same way but they were Luke Skywalker and Princes Lala [or whatever]. We even had these laser guns and things we wore over our clothes in the eighties to aim at and entire families used to "battle", shoot at each other in the woods. I don't know what to think.

thanks for the memories

[Serenoa]

Good grief, I find it really hard to understand a lot of folk's fascination with handguns. When we visited TV a couple of years ago everyone we encountered seemed happy, relaxed & content. If we felt that packing a deadly weapon on oneself was necessary to go about daily life in TV, we'd be looking for somewhere else to retire. Glad we don't share the paranoia.

[Gerald]

I have a question for the fine people on TOTV. Recently there was a posting on Facebook regarding carrying guns. I'm not looking for any nasty comments. I'm just concerned about a statement that a person posted and I want to know if any of you believe it to be true. If it is true, it bothers me tremendously. I don't like the idea of drunk ladies "packing" a gun in their purse. I will quote exactly what was posted. By drunk, I am referring to the squares, not the stores. This is the quote:

"Most of the woman I know in TV carry a gun (packing) in their purse in the squares, Walmart, supermarket...drug store...movies...maybe that is why you feel so safe in TV. You have no idea who has a gun and who doesn't. You live in the south. It is for your safety as well as theirs. No one advertises that they are packing, but I assure you if you believe that most Villagers, especially retired military don't have a gun, you are very very naive"

I am only curious if this "lady" is off her rocker or if you believe that there are a lot of females with pistols in their purses? Opinions? ......and Gracie, I don't mean water pistols. :)


Apparently no one really knows who is carrying a gun. However I can say for sure that. There has never been a report that I have read in all the many years I have lived in the village. Of any person who took out a gun and used it.

[golfing eagles]

Good grief, I find it really hard to understand a lot of folk's fascination with handguns. When we visited TV a couple of years ago everyone we encountered seemed happy, relaxed & content. If we felt that packing a deadly weapon on oneself was necessary to go about daily life in TV, we'd be looking for somewhere else to retire. Glad we don't share the paranoia.

I wouldn't take this thread too seriously. It's just a few of us having a philosophical debate on the wisdom of conceal/carry, and most involved are pretty familiar with each other's posts. The Villages has not suddenly become a crime infested jungle where paranoid residents are armed to the teeth in fear of their lives.:1rotfl:
I believe the national average crime rate is 42/100,00, and in TV it's like 3/100,000. I'd walk anywhere here at any time, unarmed

[Barefoot]

Good grief, I find it really hard to understand a lot of folk's fascination with handguns. When we visited TV a couple of years ago everyone we encountered seemed happy, relaxed & content. If we felt that packing a deadly weapon on oneself was necessary to go about daily life in TV, we'd be looking for somewhere else to retire. Glad we don't share the paranoia.

I may be naive, but I think residents who "carry" are a small percentage of the total Villages population.

[gerryann]

I may be naive, but I think residents who "carry" are a small percentage of the total Villages population.

I completely agree. I just happened to listen to an irrational person who was trying to make a point and she decided to add some gun "details" to the conversation. I'll bet very, very few women carry and maybe a small amount of men.
This thread has only drawn attention because guns have always been a rather taboo, political thread and is usually shut down. This one has stayed civil and therefore we've been allowed to discuss it.
I feel TV has been and is an extremely safe place to live.

[tomwed]

I think we are a unique community and we have what it takes for a musical. So far I just have a name and some song tittles.
It's called: "Granny Get Your Gun"

and these are the songs:

I get a kick out of you
Ol' Ma's Trigger
Oh What a beautiful Warning
Don't cry for me Santiago

[golfing eagles]

I think we are a unique community and we have what it takes for a musical. So far I just have a name and some song tittles.
It's called: "Granny Get Your Gun"

and these are the songs:

I get a kick out of you
Ol' Ma's Trigger
Oh What a beautiful Warning
Don't cry for me Santiago


You forgot the number one hit from that musical--- " There's no business like Glock business"

[golfing eagles]

I think we are a unique community and we have what it takes for a musical. So far I just have a name and some song tittles.
It's called: "Granny Get Your Gun"

and these are the songs:

I get a kick out of you
Ol' Ma's Trigger
Oh What a beautiful Warning
Don't cry for me Santiago


And here's some more suggestions for your album (you realize we're both sick, don't you?)

from Showboat---Can't help lovin dat gun of mine
from South Pacific---Some enchanted rifle
from West side story---Somewhere, there's a gun
from A Chorus line---What I did for ammo
from Mary Poppins---A spoonful of gunpowder
from Sound of music---the hills are alive, with the sound of gunfire
from My Fair Lady----I could have aimed all night
from Oklahoma---Poor Judd is dead (no need to change the title)

[Callaway Guy]

I wouldn't take this thread too seriously. It's just a few of us having a philosophical debate on the wisdom of conceal/carry, and most involved are pretty familiar with each other's posts. The Villages has not suddenly become a crime infested jungle where paranoid residents are armed to the teeth in fear of their lives.:1rotfl:
I believe the national average crime rate is 42/100,00, and in TV it's like 3/100,000. I'd walk anywhere here at any time, unarmed

We don't carry because of a fear of the residents of TV, other than the occasional drunk who decides to go stupid; we carry because of the turds and trash that live outside of our bubble and decide to come in and invade our safe zone.

[dbussone]

Apparently no one really knows who is carrying a gun. However I can say for sure that. There has never been a report that I have read in all the many years I have lived in the village. Of any person who took out a gun and used it.


Well - there was that case of local road rage where a TV motorcyclist got upset at a car and put a couple of shots into the vehicle. I think that counts.

[dbussone]

I may be naive, but I think residents who "carry" are a small percentage of the total Villages population.


BF - I suspect you are naive in that regard. With all the retired military, former local, state and federal police officers, and the many plain residents, there are a ton of residents who carry. I personally know of more than a handful just in my neighborhood.

[kcrazorbackfan]

This discussion is becoming almost as good as the ones about seat saving or dog poop.

[Steve9930]

I have a question for the fine people on TOTV. Recently there was a posting on Facebook regarding carrying guns. I'm not looking for any nasty comments. I'm just concerned about a statement that a person posted and I want to know if any of you believe it to be true. If it is true, it bothers me tremendously. I don't like the idea of drunk ladies "packing" a gun in their purse. I will quote exactly what was posted. By drunk, I am referring to the squares, not the stores. This is the quote:

"Most of the woman I know in TV carry a gun (packing) in their purse in the squares, Walmart, supermarket...drug store...movies...maybe that is why you feel so safe in TV. You have no idea who has a gun and who doesn't. You live in the south. It is for your safety as well as theirs. No one advertises that they are packing, but I assure you if you believe that most Villagers, especially retired military don't have a gun, you are very very naive"


I am only curious if this "lady" is off her rocker or if you believe that there are a lot of females with pistols in their purses? Opinions? ......and Gracie, I don't mean water pistols. :)

From the post you quoted it has the feel of someone who is not happy about guns and is trying to present a negative view. Don't know how many ladies are concealed carry holders and exercise that right. Good for them. I conceal carry all the time, always have, luckily never had to use it.

[dbussone]

This discussion is becoming almost as good as the ones about seat saving or dog poop.


It's about time you chimed in.

[gerryann]

From the post you quoted it has the feel of someone who is not happy about guns and is trying to present a negative view. Don't know how many ladies are concealed carry holders and exercise that right. Good for them. I conceal carry all the time, always have, luckily never had to use it.

I only asked a question. How am I presenting a negative view?

Good for you for exercising your right. I as well certainly hope you never have to use it.

You say I give you the feeling that I am "not happy" about guns. You give me the feeling of someone who is very defensive of carrying.

[dbussone]

I only asked a question. How am I presenting a negative view?



Good for you for exercising your right. I as well certainly hope you never have to use it.



You say I give you the feeling that I am "not happy" about guns. You give me the feeling of someone who is very defensive of carrying.


I found your initial post very interesting. Obviously others did as well.

[tomwed]

>>>>>>

[gerryann]

We all didn't grow up with guns.
We all grew up with cars. We had to take my father in laws car away from him before he killed somebody or himself. We had to tell my dad he wasn't allowed to drive when he started getting lost all the time. I'm not there yet but when I start making bad decisions I hope my kids can convince me.

So true. We all hope that someone is there to tell us when it's time to change our lifestyle and give up things that could cause harm to ourselves or others.

[outlaw]

Good grief, I find it really hard to understand a lot of folk's fascination with handguns. When we visited TV a couple of years ago everyone we encountered seemed happy, relaxed & content. If we felt that packing a deadly weapon on oneself was necessary to go about daily life in TV, we'd be looking for somewhere else to retire. Glad we don't share the paranoia.

That's because they are packing. No worries. Seriously, it isn't a fascination with guns. It's American values. Many look at a gun as a tool, just like a hammer. A hammer is used to drive nails. It could be used for self defense. But it is heavy and bulky. A gun is a self defense tool. That's all. No big deal to people who grew up around guns. It doesn't mean that a person carrying a gun is paranoid. It is just a matter of weighing your options and deciding that you don't want you or your loved ones to be a victim, however unlikely or likely that is. I know people that carry a golf club or a stick when they go on a walk. They are not paranoid. But if a rabid fox or a mean dog attacks them, at least they have some means of defense. I know people who have had to use a gun for self defense. I also know of several people who have been murdered simply for their wallet. If violence can happen to them, it can happen to anyone.

[outlaw]

I only asked a question. How am I presenting a negative view?

Good for you for exercising your right. I as well certainly hope you never have to use it.

You say I give you the feeling that I am "not happy" about guns. You give me the feeling of someone who is very defensive of carrying.

I think you are being overly defensive at the suggestion that you are uncomfortable around guns. There is nothing wrong with that feeling. I think that is all the poster was saying. With all the media hype, and not growing up around guns, I think the natural tendency is to be uncomfortable in the presence of guns.

[graciegirl]

That's because they are packing. No worries. Seriously, it isn't a fascination with guns. It's American values. Many look at a gun as a tool, just like a hammer. A hammer is used to drive nails. It could be used for self defense. But it is heavy and bulky. A gun is a self defense tool. That's all. No big deal to people who grew up around guns. It doesn't mean that a person carrying a gun is paranoid. It is just a matter of weighing your options and deciding that you don't want you or your loved ones to be a victim, however unlikely or likely that is. I know people that carry a golf club or a stick when they go on a walk. They are not paranoid. But if a rabid fox or a mean dog attacks them, at least they have some means of defense. I know people who have had to use a gun for self defense. I also know of several people who have been murdered simply for their wallet. If violence can happen to them, it can happen to anyone.



I didn't grow up around handguns. (My grandfather who raised me was a police officer, but I can't recall seeing his weapon) Ohio people that I knew well only had hunting guns. I have been told that I am na�ve and downright stupid by evangelistic gun people. I know darned well that people that I knew well did not have handguns in Ohio. I have NEVER EVER known a (civilian) person who had to use a gun for self protection. It depends where you grew up and where you lived and who you run around with.


I believe in second amendment rights. I don't tell people that I don't approve of gun totin'. I just know a lot of people who feel it isn't necessary. Here.


Yet.

[outlaw]

I didn't grow up around handguns. (My grandfather who raised me was a police officer, but I can't recall seeing his weapon) Ohio people that I knew well only had hunting guns. I have been told that I am na�ve and downright stupid by evangelistic gun people. I know darned well that people that I knew well did not have handguns in Ohio. I have NEVER EVER known a (civilian) person who had to use a gun for self protection. It depends where you grew up and where you lived and who you run around with.


I believe in second amendment rights. I don't tell people that I don't approve of gun totin'. I just know a lot of people who feel it isn't necessary. Here.


Yet.

Ask retired LEOs why they carry. Most will probably tell you that you have no idea the number of bad people around, and everywhere. I know an LEO that even carries in Disneyworld in Orlando. He carries everywhere, even in TV. He smiles at me when I tell him I don't carry in TV because I feel it is so safe. He gives me that look that says "you have no clue". He's a good guy to hang with. It's like having a personal bodyguard. Now I know how Bloomberg feels.

[graciegirl]

Ask retired LEOs why they carry. Most will probably tell you that you have no idea the number of bad people around, and everywhere. I know an LEO that even carries in Disneyworld in Orlando. He carries everywhere, even in TV. He smiles at me when I tell him I don't carry in TV because I feel it is so safe. He gives me that look that says "you have no clue". He's a good guy to hang with. It's like having a personal bodyguard. Now I know how Bloomberg feels.



I am telling you that you can do whatever you want to do. I am not stupid. There are bad people everywhere. What folks have done that are my age is work hard, save their money, make sacrifices, work when they are sick, don't run up foolish things on their charges so they can buy and live where it is a little safer. They don't mess with other people's stuff or their spouses. They toe the line and go to church or toe the line and don't go to church.


They choose people who are not hot heads and who have common sense to hang out with and they try to do what is right.


We all don't need guns,especially HERE, this is not a place that at this time warrants carrying a gun.


But that may change. I am NOT anti gun. I am anti gun evangelism.


But knock yourself out.

[tomwed]

"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you."
When they wrote the second amendment it wasn't just an expression. It was a take-out dinner order.

[Taltarzac725]

"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you."
When they wrote the second amendment it wasn't just an expression. It was a take-out dinner order.

Wolves, coyotes, and especially Native Americans too. Native American people would not eat you though. You might get eaten by a neighbor though if they were really hungry.

I only know of one woman who carries regularly and she had a violent stalker who might follow her.

As long as people are trained to use these firearms, I have no problem with them carrying.

[graciegirl]

Ya never know what tomorrow will bring.


I might start carrying a one iron.


But I would have to get rid of my Supa Dupa biggum hittum gigantic distance club.


(I was just kidding)

[tomwed]

You might get eaten by a neighbor though if they were really hungry.

That's back then though, not now. I sure hope so. I have this one neighbor that seems to smile at me a lot.

[graciegirl]

That's back then though, not now. I sure hope so. I have this one neighbor that seems to smile at me a lot.



I love you Tomwed. I hope Mrs. Wed knows I am happily wed and






OLD.

[tomwed]

I love you Tomwed. I hope Mrs. Wed knows I am happily wed and OLD.
Believe me, after awhile my humor get's on your nerves. And I have a tendency to repeat myself.

[tomwed]

I love you Tomwed. I hope Mrs. Wed knows I am happily wed and
OLD.
Believe me, after awhile my humor get's on your nerves. And I have a tendency to repeat myself.

[billethkid]

Ask retired LEOs why they carry. Most will probably tell you that you have no idea the number of bad people around, and everywhere. I know an LEO that even carries in Disneyworld in Orlando. He carries everywhere, even in TV. He smiles at me when I tell him I don't carry in TV because I feel it is so safe. He gives me that look that says "you have no clue". He's a good guy to hang with. It's like having a personal bodyguard. Now I know how Bloomberg feels.

Discussing why anybody carries or not or feel better being with one who carries still rubs me the wrong way. I been around fire arms use all my life. Those who carry DO NOT go around telling folks they are doing so. They just don't.
One may have a close friend that brings it up in a pertinent discussion, but repeating....most do not. There are many good reasons.....no different than discussing who has insurance or not or what coverage or not. If not in a pertinent discussion it just does not come up.

As far as being selective as to when to carry or not. That discussion is usually for and by those who do not carry or are uninformed about carrying.

Police officers do not elect to carry or not based on the area they are in being safe or not. They carry all the time. Same goes for anybody who prefers to carry.

Many retired LEO carry for many reasons. Ditto for the rest of us.

One only needs to look at carrying to be similar to insurance. We all have it and we all hope to never use it. We do not insure or not based on one place being less or more safe than another.

It is really just that simple.

[tomwed]

I find this conversation interesting mostly because there's not a lot of other conversations going on. It's not inherently interesting.

How about we think of something else to talk about that's a bit more fun?

[graciegirl]

Discussing why anybody carries or not or feel better being with one who carries still rubs me the wrong way. I been around fire arms use all my life. Those who carry DO NOT go around telling folks they are doing so. They just don't.
One may have a close friend that brings it up in a pertinent discussion, but repeating....most do not. There are many good reasons.....no different than discussing who has insurance or not or what coverage or not. If not in a pertinent discussion it just does not come up.

As far as being selective as to when to carry or not. That discussion is usually for and by those who do not carry or are uninformed about carrying.

Police officers do not elect to carry or not based on the area they are in being safe or not. They carry all the time. Same goes for anybody who prefers to carry.

Many retired LEO carry for many reasons. Ditto for the rest of us.

One only needs to look at carrying to be similar to insurance. We all have it and we all hope to never use it. We do not insure or not based on one place being less or more safe than another.

It is really just that simple.



It is a spectrum thing. If you live by a fire hydrant, your fire insurance is a little cheaper. If you live in one of the "hot spots" in Orlando, where crime is rampant, you need to protect yourself with a gun..


Some choose to make their risks go down by not living where drugs are dealt and where people hang around clubs and do drive by shootings. NO place is completely safe. It is a spectrum thing.


I am not disagreeing with you, I respect you mightily.


What galls me is being told by a law enforcement officer who lives here from New York that West Chester, Ohio is as dangerous as any other place when, it had ONE murder in thirty years.


He has not lived there. He knows the reality of where he is from. Not the reality of where I am from. Some places are safer than others. I don't carry insurance on being bitten by a snake. I try to stay away from snakes. I don't keep them in the spare room. I may be bitten by a snake. There are snakes around outside that are dangerous, but it isn't likely.


It is a selling point for a philosophy that I don't disagree with...I have no argument with people who carry. I just am still pretty smart...and I don't carry.


Please don't shoot me. And don't tell me not to advertise I don't carry. I have a bunch of friends who might carry.

I shouldn't have yelled at you Billethekid. I think you are one smart person and a very reasonable person and I get what you are saying...I do.

[gerryann]

I think you are being overly defensive at the suggestion that you are uncomfortable around guns. There is nothing wrong with that feeling. I think that is all the poster was saying. With all the media hype, and not growing up around guns, I think the natural tendency is to be uncomfortable in the presence of guns.

That is interesting that you feel I may be uncomfortable around guns. I lived for 40 years with a LEO. He never, ever carried when not working. I can think of a few times (maybe twice) that we would be going through a questionable area and he would inform me that he had the gun under the seat of the car. His 3 guns have been given to each of 3 children. His fellow officers never carried off duty. ( the new generation police might be different). My sister is married to a retired LEO. In the 30 years he was LEO he never, ever carried off duty....doesn't even own a gun. My brother was LEO in Tampa....never, ever carried off duty. Never owned a gun. My nephew is an active LEO...does not carry off duty. So...no, I'm not uncomfortable around guns. I will say that the 30 years my husband was LEO, I never touched his guns....had no interest.

[gerryann]

I also feel that those that carry here in TV, do NOT carry because they are concerned with crime or needing protection. I feel they carry only because they can. Now, going out of the bubble...maybe they carry for protection; but here in TV just because they can. .......makes them feel...not sure, in control, powerful, manly....not sure......

[buzzy]

A few months ago the Straight Shooters club had a presentation on how much trouble you can get into when using your gun in self defense. Supposedly you can be convicted of a crime and sent to jail for defending yourself with a gun if your attacker is not also armed. You have a duty to retreat unless you are in your home. And, of course, you should join one of those legal assistance groups that specialize in armed self defense. So, based on those constraints, it is better to carry pepper gel or a stun gun.

[outlaw]

I am telling you that you can do whatever you want to do. I am not stupid. There are bad people everywhere. What folks have done that are my age is work hard, save their money, make sacrifices, work when they are sick, don't run up foolish things on their charges so they can buy and live where it is a little safer. They don't mess with other people's stuff or their spouses. They toe the line and go to church or toe the line and don't go to church.


They choose people who are not hot heads and who have common sense to hang out with and they try to do what is right.


We all don't need guns,especially HERE, this is not a place that at this time warrants carrying a gun.


But that may change. I am NOT anti gun. I am anti gun evangelism.


But knock yourself out.

I never said you were anti-gun. There is really no need to be defensive. Many of us worked hard our whole life, led a good life. That does not exempt you from becoming a victim. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I was just presenting my viewpoint. Do you do your own shopping, or do you have servants do your shopping for you? If you go to Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, etc., you are venturing outside your dome of tranquility. Do you think everyone at the squares are all squeaky clean? Do you think you really live in a gated community with push button openers on every gate? Do you think the knife stabbing in the historic district, or the murder in the wherever village, or the recent bat wielding golf cart driver did not involve TV residents? Don't carry or do carry. I don't care.

[outlaw]

That is interesting that you feel I may be uncomfortable around guns. I lived for 40 years with a LEO. He never, ever carried when not working. I can think of a few times (maybe twice) that we would be going through a questionable area and he would inform me that he had the gun under the seat of the car. His 3 guns have been given to each of 3 children. His fellow officers never carried off duty. ( the new generation police might be different). My sister is married to a retired LEO. In the 30 years he was LEO he never, ever carried off duty....doesn't even own a gun. My brother was LEO in Tampa....never, ever carried off duty. Never owned a gun. My nephew is an active LEO...does not carry off duty. So...no, I'm not uncomfortable around guns. I will say that the 30 years my husband was LEO, I never touched his guns....had no interest.

I am shocked that every leo you know including all of your husband's coworkers never carried while off duty or retired. But I guess you must have discussed it with them because how else would you know.

[golfing eagles]

I find this conversation interesting mostly because there's not a lot of other conversations going on. It's not inherently interesting.

How about we think of something else to talk about that's a bit more fun?

Anyone think we may be scaring the newbies???

[outlaw]

A few months ago the Straight Shooters club had a presentation on how much trouble you can get into when using your gun in self defense. Supposedly you can be convicted of a crime and sent to jail for defending yourself with a gun if your attacker is not also armed. You have a duty to retreat unless you are in your home. And, of course, you should join one of those legal assistance groups that specialize in armed self defense. So, based on those constraints, it is better to carry pepper gel or a stun gun.

That is the whole reason for the stand your ground law in Florida. It relieved you of the duty to retreat in Florida even if you could. I'm not saying you can't be charged. Obviously, if you're arguing with someone and he spits on you, you don't want to shoot him. Just call the cops and have him arrested. But if he physically attacks you, and you fear serious harm, you can defend yourself with a gun. At least that is the way I understand the law. I'm not a lawyer.

[outlaw]

Anyone think we may be scaring the newbies???

I hope so. It's getting too crowded.

[golfing eagles]

That is the whole reason for the stand your ground law in Florida. It relieved you of the duty to retreat in Florida even if you could. I'm not saying you can't be charged. Obviously, if you're arguing with someone and he spits on you, you don't want to shoot him. Just call the cops and have him arrested. But if he physically attacks you, and you fear serious harm, you can defend yourself with a gun. At least that is the way I understand the law. I'm not a lawyer.

Ask George Zimmerman how Florida's stand your ground law worked out for him. He may have been acquitted, but..........

[outlaw]

I also feel that those that carry here in TV, do NOT carry because they are concerned with crime or needing protection. I feel they carry only because they can. Now, going out of the bubble...maybe they carry for protection; but here in TV just because they can. .......makes them feel...not sure, in control, powerful, manly....not sure......

I think many carry because of the mindset that if you don't carry all the time you're not going to have it when you need it. Kind of like seat belts or motorcycle protective gear. You never know when you will have an accident, so you always hook up your seat belt, and you always wear the safety gear whenever you ride your motorcycle. Also, many people view the 2nd A as a duty of every citizen to contribute to protecting themselves and others, including their neighbors. Don't laugh. It's serious stuff. Many CC people feel a responsibility to help others and protect their loved ones knowing that there are not enough government employees (leo's) to protect everyone. In fact, very few crimes against victims are thwarted by the police. The police show up AFTER the crime.

[outlaw]

Ask George Zimmerman how Florida's stand your ground law worked out for him. He may have been acquitted, but..........

This is a common misunderstanding of SYG in Florida. GZ claimed self defense, not SYG. Two different defenses. In GZ's case, he could not retreat because TM was on top of him before GZ could even bolt.

[billethkid]

I also feel that those that carry here in TV, do NOT carry because they are concerned with crime or needing protection. I feel they carry only because they can. Now, going out of the bubble...maybe they carry for protection; but here in TV just because they can. .......makes them feel...not sure, in control, powerful, manly....not sure......

None of the above are why people carry.

It is unfortunate that the majority of the populations education and knowledge of fire arms is what they see in the movies, on television and the biased news media.

That is not real life.

Law enforcement has a belt full of equipment each of which is for a specific purpose. One of the items happens to be a pistol. They will use every other piece of equipment on their belt day in and day out....except for the pistol.
Some never ever have had to use their pistol for anything other than training.

They do not have an air of needing it or feeling macho, in control, manly or womanly. None what so ever.

All that training and expense and maintenance just in case....just like insurance. Ditto for those not in law enforcement.

Like everything else in our lives gun recreation, gun ownership, gun self defense are personal choices, just like sky diving, being a pprivate pilot, the military and of course law enforcement. And like evrything else in life the discussion is always about the few who do not do what is right, while the other 98% of us do!

It is a personal choice!

[billethkid]

GG I sense no "yelling" at all in your post. I admire those who state their case without infringing on others views/opinions/etc.

[golfing eagles]

This is a common misunderstanding of SYG in Florida. GZ claimed self defense, not SYG. Two different defenses. In GZ's case, he could not retreat because TM was on top of him before GZ could even bolt.

Thank you, didn't know that. In NY, you pretty much have to seconds away from getting killed yourself, otherwise you're guilty

[outlaw]

I find this conversation interesting mostly because there's not a lot of other conversations going on. It's not inherently interesting.

How about we think of something else to talk about that's a bit more fun?

Wanna talk about nuclear weapons and their everyday uses?

[outlaw]

Thank you, didn't know that. In NY, you pretty much have to seconds away from getting killed yourself, otherwise you're guilty

In NY you're probably better off getting killed before you try to defend yourself with a gun. And then, you still may be convicted posthumously.

[golfing eagles]

Wanna talk about nuclear weapons and their everyday uses?

"How about a nice game of checkers instead" (WOMPR, War Games)

[gerryann]

I am shocked that every leo you know including all of your husband's coworkers never carried while off duty or retired. But I guess you must have discussed it with them because how else would you know.

Many years ago the officers on his dept. HAD to carry at all times. We all went out tabogoning one day.....officers and wives. While going down the hill, I felt something hard in my back. I questioned it....he said it was his gun. I was concerned about the safety of a gun during recreational times. I approached the chief and voiced my concerns. The rule was changed and they did NOT have to carry off duty. After that a few officers carried when in the village that they were employed in, but no where else. After a few years, they all stopped carrying. I certainly don't know where they all are now that they are retired or weather they carry now, but I would guess that they don't. By the way, it was a very safe suburb, like TV.
I also still stand by my thought that people carry here for a reason other than fear of crime. TV is very, very safe.

[billethkid]

self explanatory....please read the 10 items

10 Things Everyone Should Know About Concealed Weapons Permit Holders - The Truth About Guns (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/05/robert-farago/10-things-everyone-should-know-about-concealed-weapons-permit-holders/)

[ugotme]

self explanatory....please read the 10 items

10 Things Everyone Should Know About Concealed Weapons Permit Holders - The Truth About Guns (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/05/robert-farago/10-things-everyone-should-know-about-concealed-weapons-permit-holders/)

EXCELLENT!

So true on all accounts. Thanks for finding this and posting it!

:BigApplause:

[tomwed]

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[BobandMary]

I can, but I don't. No need here.

[gerryann]

I can, but I don't. No need here.

That really is my thought as well. I feel it is very safe here. To me it seems a burden to have to worry about a gun on my person or in my purse. That's just me. If it gives one a feeling of inner peace and it really feels natural and comfortable then sure why not.
I believe The Villages is one of the safest place you could live in the country. It was the number 1 reason I moved here.

[Callaway Guy]

Many years ago the officers on his dept. HAD to carry at all times. We all went out tabogoning one day.....officers and wives. While going down the hill, I felt something hard in my back. I questioned it....he said it was his gun. I was concerned about the safety of a gun during recreational times. I approached the chief and voiced my concerns. The rule was changed and they did NOT have to carry off duty. After that a few officers carried when in the village that they were employed in, but no where else. After a few years, they all stopped carrying. I certainly don't know where they all are now that they are retired or weather they carry now, but I would guess that they don't. By the way, it was a very safe suburb, like TV.
I also still stand by my thought that people carry here for a reason other than fear of crime. TV is very, very safe.

And what would that reason be? Do you never read the online news? Do you ever go out of the bubble? We're not worried about residents of TV; our concern is the trash that comes into our "safe haven" or if we decide to go outside TV. You're really not na�ve to think nothing could ever happen to you, are you?

[gerryann]

And what would that reason be? Do you never read the online news? Do you ever go out of the bubble? We're not worried about residents of TV; our concern is the trash that comes into our "safe haven" or if we decide to go outside TV. You're really not na�ve to think nothing could ever happen to you, are you?

They carry simply because they can. I don't think for one minute any one living here is really afraid enough to feel the need of a gun. But, as I said before, if it offers them some peace of mind...then go ahead. Yes, I go out of TV...and I am more cautious and aware of my surroundings...but if God forbid, I ever had a reason to use a gun....it would be turned on me long before I could ever think about it.
This is a guess...but I'm fairly certain the average criminal is considerably younger than you or I or most everyone living here. Think of the difference of movements and reflexes. Seniors and guns.....doesn't give me a good feeling.
If we were in a big dangerous city, I guess I wouldn't feel this way, but I just don't see the need here.
This thread started as a question about weather or not a lot of women in TV are carrying guns in their purses, and by the sounds of these posts, I believe that very, very few women carry a gun.

[ronsroni]

I know of at least 6 women....ALL 70+ years of age, who carry.
It's like disabled parking. You NEVER know why I may have a disability as you cant SEE it. Folks are packing for many reasons. Two women in particular have disabled spouses and truly protect the family. They travel all over Florida to clinics, hospitals and it is way too easy to zero in on them as victims. Only 1 discharged hers in time of peril. NO CHARGES filed. I hope she is the last one needing to fire a round. I am in favor of this. Responsible actions prevail or else. Men drink and carry too. All irresponsible Idiots go to jail.
Yeah. Don't mess with Bridie.

[graciegirl]

They carry simply because they can. I don't think for one minute any one living here is really afraid enough to feel the need of a gun. But, as I said before, if it offers them some peace of mind...then go ahead. Yes, I go out of TV...and I am more cautious and aware of my surroundings...but if God forbid, I ever had a reason to use a gun....it would be turned on me long before I could ever think about it.
This is a guess...but I'm fairly certain the average criminal is considerably younger than you or I or most everyone living here. Think of the difference of movements and reflexes. Seniors and guns.....doesn't give me a good feeling.
If we were in a big dangerous city, I guess I wouldn't feel this way, but I just don't see the need here.
This thread started as a question about weather or not a lot of women in TV are carrying guns in their purses, and by the sounds of these posts, I believe that very, very few women carry a gun.



You and me are wise birds GerryAnn. When we see the need or the atmosphere of safety shifts, we will react. We both have lived in homes with LEO and they taught us well.


Yesterday I watched frozen with shock and sadness as the shooting on the compus in Oregon was covered on television, and further was upset when I listened to the POTUS say that laws should be changed about gun control.


I don't think either of us have a problem with the second amendment. There are laws against drugs and they don't work because only people with a conscience comply. It is more than the often repeated guns don't kill people, people kill people.


Something has to change with how young children are being raised. Mothers and fathers used to give them a conscience. Now people turn them over as little babies to people that they would not give their car keys too. It is a huge social and moral mess in this world. We should always try to help others in need, but enabling people who can work to lay around lazy is another. You cannot legislate morality or decency.


I believe that people should be allowed to carry guns to protect themselves, but I believe that carrying a gun here is overkill. But that could change and some idiot could come here and want to kill all of us.


But we moved here for the same reasons we moved to any place in our lifetime. We moved to the nicest and safest place we could afford and we worked hard to be able to choose the nicest and safest place.

[outlaw]

Many years ago the officers on his dept. HAD to carry at all times. We all went out tabogoning one day.....officers and wives. While going down the hill, I felt something hard in my back. I questioned it....he said it was his gun. I was concerned about the safety of a gun during recreational times. I approached the chief and voiced my concerns. The rule was changed and they did NOT have to carry off duty. After that a few officers carried when in the village that they were employed in, but no where else. After a few years, they all stopped carrying. I certainly don't know where they all are now that they are retired or weather they carry now, but I would guess that they don't. By the way, it was a very safe suburb, like TV.
I also still stand by my thought that people carry here for a reason other than fear of crime. TV is very, very safe.

Well, at least this post is a little bit more believable. You realize you went from a previous post that no LEO in your husband's group carried while off duty and none of them carry after they retired, to many carried off duty and you don't really know what they are doing in retirement? I hope the chief was not reacting to your irrational concern regarding guns and recreation that he changed department policy.

[outlaw]

I know of at least 6 women....ALL 70+ years of age, who carry.
It's like disabled parking. You NEVER know why I may have a disability as you cant SEE it. Folks are packing for many reasons. Two women in particular have disabled spouses and truly protect the family. They travel all over Florida to clinics, hospitals and it is way too easy to zero in on them as victims. Only 1 discharged hers in time of peril. NO CHARGES filed. I hope she is the last one needing to fire a round. I am in favor of this. Responsible actions prevail or else. Men drink and carry too. All irresponsible Idiots go to jail.
Yeah. Don't mess with Bridie.

Unfortunately, some on here would question your choice of friends and where your friends choose to hang out. Or some self serving nonsense regarding their superior upbringing giving them the exclusive wisdom to avoid trouble. I will just say your friends are savvy and aware of the danger all around us. It's the world we live in. I hope they stay safe.

[Moderator]

Reminder...topic is females in the Villages carrying concealed weapons.

A number of personally-directed and off topic posts were deleted.

Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed.

Moderator

[gerryann]

Well, at least this post is a little bit more believable. You realize you went from a previous post that no LEO in your husband's group carried while off duty and none of them carry after they retired, to many carried off duty and you don't really know what they are doing in retirement? I hope the chief was not reacting to your irrational concern regarding guns and recreation that he changed department policy.

You obviously did not read the posts here or you are pulling things out of the air. They all initially carried because it was a requirement of the job. Yes, I personally swayed the chief to change this requirement. The policy was outdated and the village realized this. No one should be out shopping, dancing, drinking, partying, etc with a gun on their person. Once this was changed, they stopped carrying. The ones I have kept in touch with in their senior years, do not carry. The ones I haven't kept in touch with....I obviously don't know.

[outlaw]

You obviously did not read the posts here or you are pulling things out of the air. They all initially carried because it was a requirement of the job. Yes, I personally swayed the chief to change this requirement. The policy was outdated and the village realized this. No one should be out shopping, dancing, drinking, partying, etc with a gun on their person. Once this was changed, they stopped carrying. The ones I have kept in touch with in their senior years, do not carry. The ones I haven't kept in touch with....I obviously don't know.

You need to reread your original post. And shopping, dancing, partying are perfectly appropriate scenarios to CC. But no alcohol.

[outlaw]

That is interesting that you feel I may be uncomfortable around guns. I lived for 40 years with a LEO. He never, ever carried when not working. I can think of a few times (maybe twice) that we would be going through a questionable area and he would inform me that he had the gun under the seat of the car. His 3 guns have been given to each of 3 children. His fellow officers never carried off duty. ( the new generation police might be different). My sister is married to a retired LEO. In the 30 years he was LEO he never, ever carried off duty....doesn't even own a gun. My brother was LEO in Tampa....never, ever carried off duty. Never owned a gun. My nephew is an active LEO...does not carry off duty. So...no, I'm not uncomfortable around guns. I will say that the 30 years my husband was LEO, I never touched his guns....had no interest.

Hmmmm.

[gerryann]

Hmmmm.

Don't get what you're talking about. Didn't carry...don't carry.... Nothing changed.

There's no reason to pick it all apart, if that what you're doing. Actually don't have a clue what you are doing.

Bottom line is, my question was answered. Very few women carry here in TV. The person who told me that she and almost all of her friends carry everywhere here is off her rocker.

[queasy27]

I don't carry a gun in my purse and I don't know anyone who does.

Me either, and it's a subject my friends and I have discussed. As someone said, the Facebook woman likely pals around with like-minded people, so her perspective is skewed. As is mine at zero.

But hey, I did see one of the infamous bath loofahs attached to a car antenna yesterday!

[gerryann]

But hey, I did see one of the infamous bath loofahs attached to a car antenna yesterday!

Uh oh......we're going down the tubes for sure....:22yikes:

[tomwed]

Me either, and it's a subject my friends and I have discussed. As someone said, the Facebook woman likely pals around with like-minded people, so her perspective is skewed. As is mine at zero.

But hey, I did see one of the infamous bath loofahs attached to a car antenna yesterday!
"According to Buzzfeed News: “I’m told that sticking a loofah on your cart antenna signifies you’re into swinging. According to multiple people, wearing gold shoes or letting your shirt tag stick out in the back signals you’re on the prowl."

I didn't know about the gold shoes or shirt tag. Sometimes, innocently, I suppose I do wear my shirt inside out but the tag says "IRREG". This may explain why no one has bothered with me.